 We started to bop it, you know. And he saw me as an opportunity to have a big brother. His mother had already put the mandate out. I talked to his cousin the other day, she's like, Donda told you to stick with Cayenne and protect him. Are you been doing that? I'm like, to the best of my ability. Just be, you know. And the reason that's big is because she's speaking from a different place now. Mm-hmm. It's on a whole another level. I do know that. And so I know, because I got calls like that to where it, she ain't even got to see it. Mm-hmm. It's already, it's already been spoken to you. No question. Constantly. No question. You live in it. You're trying to figure it out every day. And that's the whole game when something, because it's speaking from a different place. It's heavy, bro. And I know that. It's heavy. Yeah, we on Boss Talk TV. Shout out to Ihi, the reason you see me. Wow, I want to go back. I want to go back to just how you and Cayenne even linked up. I want the ground, I want the ground story on what, how does a guy who's being verbally and I don't know, physical, but abused by your mother. Yeah, physical. Bucket nose, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean, ostracized. Now all of a sudden, you in a studio with a guy who produce, producing. That's what I want to know. Yeah, it's crazy. I met his mama and she was, I was introduced to her through, I want to call his right name, but it's Oscar Brown, the third Oscar Brown, junior son and Koresh Ali. Okay. Koresh Ali, his chosen name. And they had did a McDonald's commercial. Okay. And a lot of people in the spoken word and poetry and conscious community was upset about that. And I'm like, how the fuck y'all mad at this man getting a check? That's where I'm from. That's real. Cause y'all ain't paying him. Y'all ain't selling him. I don't see y'all buying all his tickets at his motherfucking show. That's real. I don't see y'all buying his book out. Y'all ain't buying his motherfucking album. So fuck y'all. No, that's real. Fuck y'all talking about, are you conscious motherfuckers? Man beat it with that goofy shit. I'm not with that. I'm not on that. I don't believe in that. So every time he would be somewhere, I see a flyer. I would go. If what, hopefully it costs 10, 15, 20 dollars. I'm going to pay. Show up. So they had an event and Haki Matabuti, who is somebody who is an author and he's big time for me in the poetry world. As I got into the poetry world, his assistant introduces me to Don DeWest. And I talked to her. She's like, oh, I said, I told her, I said, I work with Common and I do this and I do that. I ain't say this stuff. Like I'm a black piece stone. I say, oh, dope. I shoot people. I got 80, I got 80 some arrests on my record. That ain't what, I ain't giving her that portion. You see what I'm saying? I gave her the portion that's going to make her leave and lean into it. She said, I got a son that do music and I want you to get around him. His name is Kanye West. I said, yes, ma'am. Because, you know, I got mother hunger. You know, I'm starving for a connection. And every, all of my friends, they know, if you got a mama, I'm taking over. That's my mama too. Now that's all right. Everybody know. I mean, Devon know, Carl Thomas know, Common know, all my friends know. You got a mama, we share her now. That's hard. That's hard. I'm going to bring you Chinese food and all that, y'all just prepare for that shit. That's real. I want to ask you about the fact of what phase was this Kanye? Was he, had he done it? No, no, nothing. He hadn't done nothing. Let's talk about it. So, you know. So you went to meet him? Yeah, Mama Donda. Well, before I went to meet him, I hadn't met him yet. Mama Donda had had a relationship with no ID's mother. And no ID was a friend of mine through Common. Okay. They fought corner hustling on a stone and in their neighborhood, foals and stones don't get along. But me and him had a relationship through my man, peace be upon him, you's have facade. He a folk. We went to high school together. So that was his people on 87th Street. I went to school on 87th Street. So in my neighborhood, the foals and stones is thick as deep. We friends, we brothers. There it was different because they didn't really had no GD ops in that neighborhood. So they were up with each other. You know how that's human hierarchy shit. So the next time I heard about Kanye West was through my brother, Don C, who I love and talk to all the time. And I'm so proud of him, what he's done in his life, the Jordan deals and Nike deals and all star weekend NBA, Spaulding Foot Lockets, crazy, Don C outside. You know what I'm saying? No games. No games. And he say, man, him and John Monopoli, who are somebody else who I love. They say, hey, can the go getters open up for you? I was the host of a bunch of shows in Chicago. I had money. They had to pay me. I won't always bring the best, you know, the best dudes out. I was going to bring the baddest bitches out, you know, cause they want to be around niggas that can comport themselves. They got a little bit of money. You know what I'm saying? They got to treat them good. You know what I'm saying? You know, I mean, you a boss. So you understand, they going to always attract to that energy and it's human nature. No, I'm wrong with that. So I say, for y'all, yeah, go getters, okay. They some young GDS or whatever. They say, man, and you know, Kanye West is part of them. I say, oh yeah, I know his name. His mama told me to be around him. I just don't have a way to be around him. So they say, yeah, he's, you know, he's that. He got a group and all that. And they got this song that my niggaz in. I think that was the name of the song that my niggaz in. I pull up, pull up a holla where my niggaz at. And I had Card Blanc at the radio station. I go there anytime I want to put anything on, sit there, I'll have interview, call in, talk shit, whatever I want to fuck do. That's me. And so I let them open up. And then I started to work on things happen, the Carl Thomas album went big. I started to work on an album. And John John, John Monopoli, who was A&R in my project with Zoë Reckers, my man, Ola, in Nigeria, we have a very contentious relationship because, you know, he wasn't the best of listeners. And it's hard to tell a million that what to do. Yeah, of course. You ever tried to be folk? I tried. Y'all, if you're talking to one, you better be talking in a way to where y'all can come to an agreement. Exactly. So you can finesse them in the right way. I got money, he got money, so we wasn't here. But we pardoned him on some shit. But John John said, man, I want to help put your project together. So we get Carl Thomas on the project and he said, you should get us off from Kanye West. I'm like, that's my third time here in Kanye West, third time's a charm. So I slide over to his crib one day, and he's starting to make a little bit of noise. John John is helping them, taking shit to New York. He's taking meetings with labels. He's like, very much like he is now. Loud, jumping on tables, cussing motherfuckers, all that shit, but without the money. So motherfuckers didn't really take him that, God damn it, you feel me? They didn't really take him that, God damn it, serious. On my mama, he was just a motherfucker that was loud. But I saw some talent in him and I saw some grit in him, which was more important than the talent. So we started to bop it, and he saw me as an opportunity to have a big brother. His mother had already put the mandate out. I talked to his cousin out there. She's like, Donda told you to stick with Kanye and protect him. Are you doing that? I'm like, to the best of my ability. Just be, you know? And the reason that's big is because she's speaking from a different place now. It's on a whole other level. I do know that. And so I know, cause I got calls like that to where it, she ain't even got to see it. It's already, it's already been spoken to you constantly. No question. You live in it. You're trying to figure it out every day. And that's the whole game when something, cause it's speaking from a different place. It's heavy, bro. And I know that. It's heavy. It's heavy. I feel Donda Spirit all the time with me. Yeah, yeah. And somebody who I really looked at as a mama for real. Yeah. When Kanye moved to New York, I was Johnny on the spot. You want some Chinese food from your favorite place? What you want? You making food? What you want, mama? And I took pride in that.