 Well good evening everyone and happy December. Welcome to one of our two new member Q&As via Zoom for this month. My name is Betsy Koh and I've been a WikiTree member for four years and I've been doing these sessions for a little over a year. My own background is as a teacher although what my field is is music. I'm a flutist and was a high school band director for about 15 years. So you know I just spent a lot of time thinking about different learning styles and how to break things down for people and and most of all wanting to help everybody to be successful with their goals. So this is your session in that you know that you are all you all are going to steer it in terms of the questions that you have and the topics where you want us to spend time. Also with me I have Murray Maloney. Murray you want to yes. So we can just each introduce ourselves where we spend our time on WikiTree. For me I'm in several geographical projects like England, Canada, Wales and Scotland Project. I'm about to join the Global Project and I'm really excited about that. I help co-lead the Events Committee and I'm also on the Mentors Project. And I do the Saturday live casts. Yeah it's not a live cast or lots of fun. Yeah. So I'm in a bunch of groups around the East Coast of North America basically Quebec, Acadia and what's called the Puritan Great Migration. So I'm looking at all the people who were arriving for the event. And I'm also part of the apps team. So I help by writing some of the documentation for how to use the WikiTree browser extension and the fan chart and the up and coming super big family tree. And I guess I've been here for about four years when the pandemic just before the pandemic started. I got started here and I was doing genealogy before that in other places and I like it here now. And Betsy does this great show twice in a month. So there's going to be another one on Sunday and they're really great. She really touches base with a bunch of people and I hope that you get to ask your question today. We'll dig into them and try and help you on your way and figure out how to use this darn thing. Absolutely. There is definitely a steep learning curve for WikiTree. I still remember when I first joined. It just felt so massive to me. All the different little subgroups and all the things you could do and events happening. And I was paralyzed a little bit at the beginning and then gradually I was able to get braver and ask questions and make lots of notes. And I agree with Murray. It's a great place to be and a great place to do genealogy. So we do have two of you who have already graciously volunteered to say, yes, look at my profiles. So we have Alicia and Mona who have volunteered for that. I'm prepared to create a profile from scratch if that would be of interest. And then Alicia, was it Alicia? You said you had photos of your your grandparents. Is that correct? Yes. Sorry. I'm just kind of I think you see me. There we go. Hi. And I'm not sure if my headphones are a little echoey here. So yeah. All right, there we go. Yes, great. So yeah, I know another common question that people want to ask is how do I upload a photo? So yes. Yep. So we're going to do that. And what other questions just so I can sort of sketch out the agenda for for our time together. What other questions, Mona? My question is on the connector email that I get quite often. Yes. My connections only go through my grandmother's brother-in-law every single time. So none. They're never a full blood relation. And I've asked the question before. And the answer I got was upload more information, which I have both sides very extensively. But it just it seems like at the bottom, there's some other things to push. And then they all of whenever I do that, they say no connections, no connections. So I would like to learn more about that. Right. It all depends on your your family tree, your immediate family tree that are connected to you and how they are connected to the overall tree, if that makes sense. So it sounds like your what was it? Your somebody's brother? My grandmother's brother-in-law. He must be maybe he is your family's connected to the big tree right now. And so when when it says add more information, really, that should be add more of your family and try and connect them into the big tree. And then you will start to see different pathways other than no. How far back to most of your lines go? Um, I would say 1015 20, very, very far. Back to the 1600s. Yes. Yeah, almost almost all of that is us a few over the pond, but very far back through Jamestown. And you're not getting connections. It's literally only through this one person. And it just drives me crazy because I'd like to see more. It sounds to me like there's some place on your there's some place where it's either private or it's blocked somehow. It says it it says it's not biologic or something like that. There's something that's blocking because if you're going back to Jamestown, you should have hundreds of connections. That's my question. I'm I'm I don't know how to do that. So yeah, um, well, I have your profile up. Let's just look at your your ancestors. Yeah. You're out to your second great grandparents. Um so it's through my father's side through the Olmstead. Uh huh. Okay. The Olmstead like Jet Jedidiah. Well, it's through my grandmother's brother in law. So, it doesn't even go back through my tree. It's going through her sister's husband. Uh you mean uh Korra and Alice Townsend? No. Realm of Janes. Uh okay. Uh one up more. Yeah. Realm of Jane Olmstead. Yeah. Her brother in law. Hmm. Sister's husband. Mm hmm. So maybe I need to push something that says not private or well, if I make her the center. So, hmm. And how many um how many connections if I go back to your profile, I'm just wondering how many oops how many connections you have um your your CC seven um which let me just I know we have a number of very new members um in our audience tonight um CC seven is your close connections within seven degrees. So um your parents would be one degree your grandparents would be two degrees and so on outward um except that it can go sideways as well. So um you know when we start talking about marriage that would add an extra step. So um as you can see up at the top um these are these are helpful numbers to see your number of contributions, thank yous, and then this is your CC seven. Your CC seven is still on the low side um and I think once once you work on expanding that I would guess you would see on different pathways. How do I excuse me? How do I do that? Ah that is a big big topic. Murray you want to you want to start and then I'll chime in? Well so so I reached I reached eleven hundred this year. It took me four years to get to that okay and and and how I managed that was because I have a a second great grandmother or second great grandparents who were born in Maine and and her family goes all the way back to the early 1600s in in Maine and New Hampshire. Okay so I get a lot of US connections that way. Now the rest of my family you know goes back to you know maybe 1700 and then and then I and then all the strings are implied right? So you don't you don't see those connections. So so I have tons of connections going through that New England part of my family which is like I said it's my second great grandparents but but everywhere else you know I can't go back to Ireland because there's no records back there and and Scotland and I can't go to you know I can't get very far in Macedonia so so I don't have a lot of connections I only got like I said just over 1100 now. So it takes time to build the generations out and then one of the things is you get connected with a certain family. So for example you know there's like three because I have all these connections in early New England there's three or four of those families that are just connected like crazy and and you know everybody in the United States who's anybody in the United States is connected to those people somehow. So does that number 231 means that's the amount of people that I have on my tree? No no it's the number of people that you're connected to. So whether whether I mean they are related to you either by blood or by marriage but you might not necessarily have entered them yourself. They might not be on your watch list. I mean actually the happiest of situations I think is joining wiki tree and finding one of your ancestors already on there and that hooks you in because sometimes people join wiki tree and they're just like a floating twig for a while until they find that person who's already on there and they can connect. The ripe tree has been populated by many many people that I never put on there. Well let's let's do I don't want to get too involved in something sort of complicated but let's just I think this would be fun for everybody. If I go under yep did someone say okay I was going to show the six degrees app. Is it under three apps? Oh yes that's right okay so everybody should have this up at the top of their profile. Is that what you want? Yeah has it been I was looking for well that's I was looking for a great great app six degrees with the with the circles. Oh I don't know that one. Oh okay well this one's Gary. Yeah um so this this will show anyway this is also a good view so here it is for you Mona and it's showing you your first degree your your parents yes right and then second degree and so on and now when you have purple that means that there there's a missing person somewhere. Parents in this case I think right? Yeah yeah if it's I think if it's a it could be blue or pink for mother or father or purple for both parents are missing so that could be a place where you well let's look at let's look at James Franklin so you may know you may know his parents but they're not in wiki tree right now. Well we don't know that they're not in wiki tree what we know is he's not connected to them yet. Excellent point yes yes they may be out there. Yeah whoops you're muted Mona. I'm sure he's on there so then how do I connect? Well you go about you go about connecting his profile and then towards the beginning of that whole process you're going to be presented with a list of potential matches that the system thinks oh well you're about to create this guy maybe could it be one of these people and then you should check and maybe he is already there. So do I just go to my tree and click on his profile is that how I connect him? No what you would do okay so this is your profile what you would do and I hope that when I create do a demo of creating a profile that we'll see this in action let's do that. Yeah well I guess the point is if if I already have his parents on or one of those people already on and they're not connected then the question is how do I do it versus adding somebody from the very beginning? Well you would have to you'd have to do this add father and then it would walk you through the process of creating a profile even if the father was already on my tree. No we're talking about cross purposes so let's start over. So Mona so James Franklin Ogden exists we so he's on your tree he's connected to you and we know he exists right? Yes. No we don't we don't happen to know the name of his parents right at this moment right and in fact what we're saying is if you can do some digging and find out the names of the parents and then see either A his parents are already there somewhere on with the tree or B he needs to be created right the parents need profiles created yeah we need now I guess what we could do is do we know the parents names right now? If we go back to my tree yes if not I can run in and get it it'll take me two minutes to get it. When you say your tree do you mean like my fan night my lineal tree the one that you originally had with the photographs? Okay okay and that's from wiki tree I'm gonna hang on I'm gonna get out of here you just showed it a minute ago okay oh yeah if I go to you and I go to your ancestors right okay right okay and there's James Franklin Ogden so I guess I haven't put them on there I think they're correct okay I will do that okay all right so um great thanks Mary um how about um if this is all right with Mona and Alicia um I'm gonna I'm gonna do a profile creation demo and and then we'll we'll look at some of your profiles in inaction so what I'm going to do um let's see trying to think the the quickest way to show this to you all right um let's go to my my watch list um by the way this is a good topic to talk about um you all have a watch list and that's a list of all the profiles where you are the profile manager or you're on the trusted list for that profile um so this is you know sort of your your near and dear as you can see I I have a pretty small watch list 344 profiles um they do wiki tree does advise you to keep it under 5000 so I'm still sleeping easy when it gets over 5000 it really slows down the system um so I am looking for uh see is there a way to search your search your version there's there should be Mary do you know great I'm sorry I was on a different channel sorry what's your question uh that's okay I'm pretty sure I I can um you I probably just do it with a control there we go I found her okay so I am going to create Elizabeth uh Shubnell's father tonight um so first thing I do um I'm well this is an open profile because it's of a certain age um if the person was um has been dead for what is it for 50 years or born 150 years ago born 150 years ago yeah and and yeah yeah um yeah although she doesn't fall she doesn't fall into that category so I could I could lock this down more if I wanted to um but um yeah I've made it open um okay so I go to edit and I will add her father um now this is um unless you you have stumbled across an existing profile when you say ah this is a match you're gonna create and you're gonna at least start creating a new profile so his name and I have I sort of did my homework uh this morning I have all of the information um ready at hand he was born October 9th 1868 uh certain that was on his death certificate um the best that I can do for a location is Black County uh Indiana uh his death date was July 8th 1936 um certain um if you're not certain um that's certainly an option for instance sometimes we have a baptismal or a burial record but not a birth or a death record so the best we can do in those cases is say well when they were born for instance they were they they died before they were buried or they were they were born before they were baptized um or you can make it uncertain he died in Silver Creek township in Clark Indiana male okay now in this case um there's there are there's nobody currently on wiki tree where there's you know closeness to the last name closeness to the dates but if there were you would see a list here okay and you could you could compare and you could evaluate and surprise there there he might already be but not in this case so I'm going to proceed now um putting in a source and this is this is required um I'm now going to go to his um his family search page um as I said the earliest record that we have is the 1880 census where he's 11 so that's the closest we can get in time I am going to show you as well how to add an ancestry source but if you can possibly find something on family search or another free website where there's no paywall the people following following behind you will will say thank you because not everybody has has a ancestry subscription so if I go to though I've already examined this and and vetted it what based on what I know of the family that it is the right person so I'm going to the web record and then right on the left hand side you have the citation already done for you so I'm just going to click it copies to my clipboard and then I come back over to where I'm creating the profile I paste it and you can't you it's optional I can just say 1880 census and then proceed to create um and notice that you will still be in edit mode at this point so I can add some other details that I have for instance I know that his middle name is Seymour you have to unclick no middle name oh wait oh you can't unclick no middle name that's strange you have to change it's certain I think oh there you go good call okay all right now um his death certificate which I mentioned to you um it confirms his birth date it confirms his um his death date and also his mother's maiden name um he's only available in ancestry so um I really do want to include that so now I'm going to go over to the ancestry page um and now we do have a number of extent browser extensions on wiki tree that that make life so much easier um you probably you don't have to hang around long to hear people talking a lot about the wiki tree browser extension and Murray is our far more an expert in that than I am um we that's kind a little advanced um we can talk about it later if we we have time and interest um there is one simple extension that I strongly recommend you get it's called the sorcerer extension um and it's this little one up here in my upper right hand corner so if I go to the death certificate I just go to the to the view not to the actual record and then I click on sorcerer yeah we can't see your other screen I don't we don't know what you're doing oh really no huh um we're we're seeing the profile you're seeing the profile in edit mode yeah um no ancestry or anything either yeah okay all right I'm going to stop sharing and then let me reshare to okay now do you see ancestry great okay now we see wiki tree sorcerer okay great okay so here we are on ancestry um and the the what I was talking about is this little one in square brackets going to click on it now it's notice that it has a um a number of ways for you to search um with the information that you've entered into your profile on wiki tree already it just plugs all that in and searches all of these places but what I want right now is I want to build a site source citation so it works pretty much instantly again it's saved to my clipboard so now I'm going to go back um can you now see the wiki tree profile no okay that's pretty annoying and I have to keep but okay um there we go okay yes yes okay so um now I'm back on Henry's profile I'm in edit mode um and let me point out one simple thing which is involves wiki markup wiki markup code um and so you see this asterix which is in front of my 1880 census record um when I come out of edit mode that's going to create a nice little bullet point it's just it's nice for aesthetics so now I'm going to paste that in um and and notice that Sorcer already took care of giving me the asterix and um let's come let's come out and see what that looks like well you actually you also can and should use the preview mode so here you can see um very basic he needs a bio um but there are my sources um so anyone who clicks on this even if they don't have an ancestry subscription they'll at least see a tiny version of the ancestry uh document and I think some people do a workaround of the they take a screenshot of it and then they can they can blow it up so that's one little workaround um what I think Mona has her hand up and she's unmute okay yes Mona go ahead where did you get that number one is that something that you downloaded through wiki tree and does it only connect to ancestry no no um actually Murray could you could you put up the the help page for Sorcer I will find the URL and I'll put that in the chat yeah yeah so we have a um a help page that will walk you completely from from how to get the extension to how to use it um and there's also a really good YouTube video by the developer of the app um Rob Paby so thank you Murray do you pay for that or is it well Sorcer I believe is either free or there's a very small charge um that has to do with whether you have a Apple product or not yeah um Alicia you had your hand up yes I have a question this actually might actually come up um when um it's my turn to work on my thing but you mentioned um in creating this profile that you went back to someone who had been um uh had died 50 years ago so um what is the policy in choosing to make a propel I I have someone on my on my page who made a professional relative who died um who know my grandmother died eight years ago um and from what I could tell they are not related to me in any way shape or form so um that yes and that's what I want to talk about actually um in doing my profanality the photos so that's that's something I'm curious about yeah good question let me um let me just get out of this and then I will show everything the privacy levels which is a good topic for conversation so the system won't allow you to exit edit mode until you say what you did so I added sources and that's sufficient um so there there we have the profile now over here is privacy levels um so we have and there's a nice little graphic with all the different um levels um my point that I was making was strictly speaking given um Elizabeth's dates um Henry's daughter um I actually could have made her profile somewhat restricted because um she hasn't been dead she's been dead for 27 years as opposed to 50 or 100 so um but you have these different yeah okay um you have these different levels which um now here's where a lot of active users are going to be if you really are in the wiki tree community to do collaborative genealogy um we strongly recommend that you make your family tree public because otherwise you won't show up in connection maps um there will be no way for people to see how they relate to you um and so each of these you can you can um click on and get a slightly more detailed um description um unlisted now unlisted is required like say say I add my cousin um but they my cousin is not a member of wiki tree then they are automatically going to be unlisted so I'll see them in my family tree so that my tree will be complete to my view but no one else will be able to see them does that help alicia yes I guess um kind of in the same vein um again this person like I said they're not related to me at all what's to stop them all sudden making my grandmother's profile private um is so this the person who's not related to you is the profile manager yes yeah um I I would reach out to them and and explain that well this is my grandmother could I be on the trusted list or could you be a co-profile manager that's a very reasonable request okay yeah okay um before we move on to um alicia's profiles does anyone have questions on what I showed with the profile creations I do have one and this is kind of a problem I've run into um I have a grandmother who when I went to enter her father um there was a father already on there but they've entered a different mother for her from what I know um so I kind of I I haven't joined the father to my grandmother because I'm like I think I don't understand wiki tree yet but I don't want that other mother to come in and I don't want to change somebody else's tree if they think they have the right information and I think I have the right information how does that work well then what uh you got it you have to get with the other profile manager and and you know explain it the way you just did to me um and then the sources are the ultimate decider um you know you have you have some records I'm sure and um there hopefully there should be some sources listed on that profile and see if the relationships can be untangled and resolved so if if they're not uh agreeable to even speak or or communicate uh is it possible for me to go ahead and create another grandfather would be the same one um and then add my own great grandfather and then add my own great grandmother uh no we don't we don't want to create duplicate profiles um I I would first have you haven't tried to reach out well because I that's why I'm here because I wasn't sure what to do about it yeah just me long yeah you should reach out I mean the nature of wiki tree is to have collaboration and you know someone who just doesn't want to collaborate at all as it's going to have a hard time existing in the community because we all do connect um so I would try that first and um are there are there sources on the other on the profile the I actually well I I'm as I say I'm brand new so I don't even know how to find that anymore how to find the one I looked at um but I'll go back and look and see if they have source okay um Linda what's what's your wiki tree ID oh my ID yeah can I give you the idea of my great grandfather because I didn't write sure that's fine yeah okay it's bell 43744 that's the first one bell as in ring the bell yeah 43744 43744 yeah okay all right I'll have a look at that and um and you're you're the profile manager of that right yeah that's a part yeah right so I can get to you that um it actually it did come up in conversation with somebody I can't remember who now um how to send a private message so this is related to what I was just encouraging Linda to do so on any profile you want to look at this um green and yellow box so we can see if someone comes along and says um Henry died on on June 8th not July 8th and and they want to change that um they can first of all see that I'm the profile manager and they can send me a private message alternatively if it's something that's not sensitive they can um come down here and post a comment on the profile and the profile manager will also be notified either way you'll get something via email so they can't just bring in changes they can but it's we discourage we like people to communicate they can but um especially if there's if there's an existing profile manager it's not the greatest man wiki tree manners to just go in when there's an active profile manager and and make changes yeah yeah so okay um you know once you're going on wiki tree once you've been around for a couple of years and you're you're doing your stuff and you're you're you're going in and you're adding sources let's say you know there's a few profiles you've been watching and you found some sources people are always happy to have new sources added it gives us more more ammunition more proof of who that person was right okay yeah good point good point um yeah I would have know if I happen to come across a you know a death certificate I I know any profile manager would be happy to have that um you know so we're really talking about the kind of changes like about you know changing relationships or you know just yeah that that you need to try a little more carefully but yeah yeah okay um Alicia you want to you ready to look at your profiles yes um so I know we have you have my grandfather lengu window it's the lengu the lengu wood is lengu window up my grandfathers there is the wood and windell um I actually don't have a picture of him my mother has the picture so I do financially want to use if we can my grandmother rose rosa okay our our grandma rose uh because that's interesting can everybody hear me can you see um I'm on your grandfather's profile yes okay yes that's lengu wood I was wondering if we could use my grandmother uh rosa um elizabeth brown because I have her picture and then she's also really interesting um in the information that we've kind of actually discovered in the last few days um so that actually can be something interesting kind of talk about if that's okay of course okay so I'm going to make you a co-host Alicia I'm going to stop sharing because I think in light of um you putting up a photo I'll I'll talk you through it but it'll be a lot easier if if you do it you're of course yeah so okay you should be all set okay great let me go to share screen share content okay there we go uh share screen and start okay okay so I'm sharing this from my iPad let me go down here um so yeah I was using so that's the person who was actually so this is my grandmother rose um so images I wanted to share a picture so there's no picture of her just yet so rosa I call her rose but uh rosa was her actually legal name so if I wanted to upload a picture of her so I would go here uh to click to upload it correct yes click here to upload it right okay all right and then choose file right let go from my photo library right now because that's the easiest place right now so this is a picture of her and I believe it's my grandfather um my mother's side yeah so we'll do that so but I do see here so I do have the choice of uploading something from a file so this is interesting uh where we got the source so it's from family connection so yeah so you can just say scanned from family photo collection it's my standard line okay so so I want to say a rosa if I are putting this in here what I want to say her legal name or her she went by rose so would that be the best way no it's it's fine because it's going to be a link to her profile which says rosa so you can feel free to use her her the name that uh she went by that you you call her by um you know if you want to and I'm going to show how you can link it to um the other person in the photo as well okay the text that you enter here hardly anyone will ever look at okay by the way okay I'm just let's say grandma rose and granddaddy oscar um perfect I can type today hard when there's 20 people watching you yeah you're doing great thank you this is my thing I've been doing this with my um let's see item source okay I've been doing this with my mother and so she lives in Pennsylvania so we've been going back before she's been emailing me things so okay so I'll go back through once I talk to my mother and actually get the date and location I believe this is potentially st louis but I'll get that permission from her leader so yeah yeah you can always go back and head it scroll down a bit scroll down a little now keep going so you see there you can set status primary photo okay now so you may add other photos and you may decide you don't want this one to be the primary one you want a different one to be the primary one okay or you might want to right now it's got rosa on there but what do you want to add granddaddy uh yes see in your watch is being that list down there he was he down there he keeps scrolling down that's strange because he was on there I bet he was the first one on there that's how I found the science because he came up um that is very strange um do you know his wikitree id not at the top of my head okay so you can come back and add them right yeah and that way it'll show up as an image on his profile as well okay okay so should I just save this right now yep okay okay so click click on her link rosa and you're back to her yep and let's just see there yeah because there he is right there wife wife oscar edward jewel okay um yeah so all you have to do is get his id number and then you can connect him to the photo as well okay yeah so this is very strange person so the interesting thing here is when I was going through and editing her site um born date and location date again this person um daniel um tixon the other one who created the profile very strange I'm not sure why because they don't I don't even know they know us or they're not religious at all um so I was going through and I was editing it and I was going to enter my grandmother's um birth date and all that in yeah and I recently unearthed what seems to be her actual birth certificate there's a long thing her her mother she uh she didn't know she couldn't find her birth certificate she was born in 1917 in virginia um her she was born out of wedlock um her mother was an orphan there was a very big thing she has been trying to have been trying to find her birth certificate for many many many many many many years um she died at age of 98 and just by sheer chance I found it um that we're verifying it it was under the wrong name so I do want to enter her what we have as her current birth date in here and until we completely verify that it's the the um until we verify that this is the right birth certificate I'm 99.9 percent it is sure about this so as I'm putting in the uh the birth birth date that she know or she knew what's her birth date what is you know kind of what is the policy or what would you suggest doing afterwards um well it sounds like this would be a place for research a research note yes so if you can you scroll down a little bit yes and I should say I mentioned this I literally found this out this week my mother and I know we haven't told her sister or anyone else yet so but I figured as this is happening I I want to put this in after we've told my aunt and everyone else but um okay I'm not that that far I actually sort of need middle middle of the edit box it says biography and sources and okay yeah okay so you can see that um we have biography with the double equal signs and sources with the double equal signs and those double equal signs again they're a bit of markup code which makes whatever's the text inside of them um bigger and bold yeah so what you would do is you under she passed away in 2016 you would add double equal signs research notes double equal signs okay and then you would type in what you've explained that you know the the the uncertainty with you know that it was had been difficult finding the birth certificate because it had been filed under a different name you know just to give context and um because it's so um specific to um your knowledge of the situation you would want to sign off on it okay and when you do that um Murray would you put four till days in the in the chat so people can see no till day is the little horizontal curvy line yeah and if you put you you write in whatever your explanation is and then put four till days and then you come out of edit mode and it will say give your name your wiki tree id and the date it's like a digital signature that's really cool yeah yeah so that that's that's how i'd handle it i'm i'm curious um could we could we go out of out of edit mode uh profile yeah return to profile mm-hmm yeah go to the changes last tracks change uh so keep going over to the edit images tree apps changes uh boy i'm completely missing that uh last track change for the right yeah oh i'm i'm on the ipad so i can't even um okay do you see how rose of brown jewels profile is in yellow and yes we have edit images tree apps uh changes yeah yep yep okay so it just gives you it just gives you some you know some context so who the person who created um your grandmother's profile it well it was three years ago it could have been through through one of the wiki tree thons or challenges where the goal was to just add connections click on his name yeah so he signed up in 2015 and and let's see doesn't say what he did last so let's go look at his 98 55 contribution you see that well he he got the thousand connections badge in um well just two days ago okay so he's a busy guy he's active he's active yeah so um yeah i would reach out i mean whatever his motivation for creating the profile um he hasn't done anything with it i mean of course there's a lot more to add so um some sometimes people do create profiles through challenges and marathons and they should orphan them but they don't say so i can ask him if he orphans it then i can then take over exactly yeah okay yep and oh i see that there are two profile managers oh no that's for him that's for his profile never mind okay all right all right um what other questions i'm gonna stop my share that thank you this has been very good for me thank you of i have so many other questions but i don't want to monopolize uh this uh this session here okay all right um yeah it is five of eight um like i said we keep the lights on you know we're not gonna just disconnect in five minutes but um what questions do other people have that they brought or that have arisen in as we've talked Chris Butler you've been holding something in this whole time i know it there's something there that you want to ask okay well i am new to wiki tree i have not put anything on before but i've done some things on ancestry so i'm a little bit familiar with genealogy what i'm interested in doing is creating a family tree where i then can print something off to distribute to family members and i'm wondering what kind of format or charts or what what kind of format is information print it off once you put it in wiki tree that's a great question so it turns out that on wiki tree there's a lot of different ways to visualize your tree now you've probably already seen that that from your own profile or from somebody else's profile you've got the the ancestors and descendants button and you can just press that ancestors button and you can see you know you can see your pedigree going back right there's also apps under the tree apps so one of them for example is fan chart have you tried that yet i have not but i'm familiar with the fan chart okay what i'm interested in doing is i would be starting with my great-grandparents going to all of their 15 children and then all of their descendants from there so it it would be quite a few names i don't really want it in a fan chart you want you want an ascended tree and add me you want a descendant tree you know a fan chart a fan chart chart looks up right looks at your your parents and your grandparents and your great grandparents yes but you're talking about looking looking downward you're talking about yes descendants right yes correct as luck as luck would have it fresh off the presses i'm not gonna uh gray clerk has been working on this really cool program that's it's currently called the super big family tree and what it will do is you you uh it centers on one person so you you know you're gonna pick a great-grandparent or something like that and uh and then it'll it'll show a tree going up seven generations and going down seven generations okay now this this is really fresh i mean i'm working on documentation greg is coding i'm taking screenshots every day to replace old screenshots because he's made a change it's it's evolving it's still in testing mode it's on the menu that's true too it is only in testing mode you have to go to the special server but we've got a link to it you can get to the special server that's okay and then there are other tools also other apps where you can visualize and you can print from and one of the cool things that greg is trying trying to do is get it so that you can print it not only from your home laser printer if you have one you know you can you can print it on a single page where you can scale it out so you print it on nine pages and you tape it up on the wall or you could scale it up so that it goes to a web offset press and you take it to a company and have them print it and that's really large size so that's not quite ready yet but we're hoping that that's coming down the pike okay that's good to know um most people in the family are not going to want a big chart on their wall but what they would like to have um and what we have what some of the other relatives have done back in finland have done a family chart well they'll where they'll take an ancestor and then the next table will go to their first child and their children and their grandchildren then it'll go to the second child so it's maybe in columns or pages is there something like that available or is that what this will be I think I know what you're describing and I've seen that before um I there's probably one of the apps uh that does that that the divide up a tree like that but i'm not sure off the top of my head but let me let me think about that are you gonna be back on sunday i'm not sure I I could be Chris could we could we take your um wiki tree id and we'll send you a message yeah that's right there's it I just signed up earlier so i'm not even sure what my id is okay well i'm gonna i'm gonna search you I should be able to pull you up just by searching your name and knowing you signed up within the last day or two okay and it did ask for a birth name for last name so I don't know if you still have me under chris butler or if it's under my maiden name okay maiden name probably yeah you that's generally the the yeah should be on your your id would be your maiden name and then a number yeah um but I should be able to find you with chris butler um thanks you're welcome um uh Don and Kathy asked about the wiki tree coding and the hypertext um and so I put in the chat a link to a cheat sheet that I put together over my early time at wiki tree just useful useful bits of information um you know that for instance that the bullets uh that you get bullet points by doing asterisks or if you want to do a numbered list you do pound signs um little things like that um so it's a good it's just how my brain works but hopefully it's a good starting place for you um the important thing is the tight words get sentences written and the second important thing is to look at somebody else's page that you see looks nice and go and look inside and see how they did it yeah I mean if it's an open profile then you can just go into edit mode and and look at the code so um or you can ask somebody I mean you know you can ask somebody in g2g or you can reach out to me um my profile id is co-31 and I'm always very happy to help um would Don and Kathy did that answer was that your only question yep okay um Mary Jean uh you've got to unmute myself realize I went on this a long time ago and then I put you know part of my family known in but I never did the sighting stuff I guess I didn't realize how to do that um and then I was watching you and I I see how to do it you had some drop-down box that went to ancestry and all that but I didn't it is when I come to my own profile thing I don't know where you've got that it says edit data edit family I'm I'm not sure where where where where where are you right now page you look myself you're on your own page what's your profile id take the battery just right I don't know is it the Mulhern 350 yep yep okay is it at MUL h-e-r-n 350 350 all right let's have a look um share share screen okay and we'll go to um have where does the thing happen that you had a drop-down and yeah so I think um was that when I was adding the death certificate that I found out right so I mean I know those I have those things so you have to get the sorcerer app oh that's why I'm not getting it I don't have a little one you see I'm I'm circling around it how do I get that um yep oh okay chat okay okay do we do we need to look at your now your own profile you don't need to put sources on your own profile oh okay very active member and so you can just say first hand knowledge entered by is it under Murray is it oh yes sorcerer okay so then if I do that then I can read up and follow that link that'll take you to a page that describes the sorcerer okay and from there it gives you directions on how to how to find it for your uh for your operating system and your browser okay and then you need to get it on to your computer and once you've got it all installed then it'll do everything for you okay thank you really one of the best tools ever made absolutely yeah thanks thank you okay all right um so I really hope that we didn't you know leave anyone confused if we did really reach out to me and um you know ask me more questions and um thanks for doing this of course yes chris bet see I think I did find my id number if that would be helpful yes go ahead okay uh it's Hendrickson h-e-n-d-r-i-c-k-s-o-n-2-8-3-5 okay thank you okay you're welcome right well um yeah if there are no other questions I think we'll say good night for now thank you very much everyone thank you thank you so much this is a wonderful thank you you're welcome thank you