 Okay, it's Think Tech on a Friday afternoon, finding respect in the chaos, and I am not the regular host, I am the guest host, but Cynthia, who is the regular host, is the host guest. Welcome to your show, Cynthia. Why thank you, Jay. Welcome to my show. The title of the show is Should Trump Need to Register, and that means register as a sex offender. Right. So back to the Axis Hollywood bus scenario way back when he was saying that he was doing a lot of things to women, and it was only locker room talk, it wasn't true, but it was true, according to all the allegations that have been made since. And I guess I would say this, in light of the revelations about Epstein and his suicide recently, and his relationship with Trump and some of the stories and lawsuits that have come out about what he and Trump have been doing over the years, it's time to renew our interest and our investigation into all these allegations and stories about Trump dealing with women, raping women, you know, abusing women, and sometimes underaged women. So that's why we're doing this show. Cynthia had done a little research about it, and she has found things and collated, summarized things, you know, conglomerated things that we need to talk about. So what did you find, Cynthia? One of the things I found is that there's so much that I'm not even sure we can put it all into a half hour show. This is over 20 women, and what I'd like to do first is just sort of run down a list of all of the ones that, and this is really interesting to me, that you can find on Wikipedia, okay? There's so many of them, and they're so ingrained, and they've already made it to a list in Wikipedia. Okay, so this is what I want you guys to really listen to, because I think it's really important. These are the accusations that were filed in court. Ivana Trump in 1989, Jill Hearth in 1992, Summer Zervos in 2017, I mean, 2007, sorry, and Alva Johnson in 2019. Now these are all the public allegations that have come out since the 2016 election, okay? Or since 2016, I should say since the candidacy process, since the election process. Jessica Leeds in 1990, these, when I give you the dates, these are the dates that it happened, okay? Jessica Leeds, 1980s, Kristen Anderson, 1990s, Eugene Carroll, 1995 or 96, Lisa Boyne, 1996, Kathy Heller, 1997, Temple, Taggart, McDonald, 1997, Karina, Virginia, 1998, Mindy McGill Bray, some of the names I might not quite get right, but 2003, Jennifer Murphy, 2005, Rachel Crooks, 2005, Natasha Stoynoff, 2005, Juliet Huddy, 2005 or 2006, Jessica Drake, 2006, Nini Laxosen, Laxonin, I'm not sure, Laxonin I think, 2006, Cassandra Serles, 2013, just that alone should stagger all of us, but there's more. These are allegations of pageant dressing room visits. These are unannounced visits that he just walks in on them while they're getting undressed, while they're naked, and he just stands there and watches them, which is a form of abuse, and it's listed under abuse, okay? Mariah Bellato, Victoria Hughes, and three other Ms. Teen, that's an important factor there. All those names I just gave you, Ms. Teen USA contestants, then we've got Bridget Sullivan in 2000, Tasha Dixon in 2001, and Samantha Holby in 2006. That's a list that just staggers the mind, right? Now let's go back to the very beginning, which was Ivana Trump, right? In 1989, she accused her husband of aggravated rape. It was later dismissed, Michael Cohen said, you can't rape your wife, which actually is not true, and even back then it was illegal. It was hard to get it through courts, and I know this because I went through something very similar. My ex-husband came and raped me, and I couldn't really charge anything with it. The legal profession said I could, but there was so much involved in trying to do it that there was no way. State by state, that rule could be different in different states. I was in California, so I think they might have been in New York, but at any rate it was so difficult to do it that even though the law was on my side, I wasn't about to go through all of that to try. So she since brought it back, but in the beginning her initial assessment of it was that she was raped. They hadn't had sex in over 16 months, and he came and aggressively attacked her, is what she said in the beginning, and then of course she walked it back and said, well, I don't want it to be criminal rape. Is there any suggestion she was paid off by Michael Cohen? There's a lot of suggestion that she was paid off by Michael Cohen. As a matter of fact, with all of his propensity to pay people off, look, we've got Stormy Daniels, we've got the Playboy Bunny that threw Michael Cohen anyway, were paid off. So we're starting to see a pattern here, right? Well, what was there that comes in between all these women, did they look the same? What kind of common denominators do you find? There's quite a few common denominators, and one of them is that he says, well, I couldn't have done that, because after all, she's not my type. He just recently said this about Eugene Carroll even, very specifically said, well, I couldn't have done that. I couldn't have raped her. She's not my type. In reality, she is his type. And back in that day, when she went through all of this, sorry to be off the camera for a second, in 1995, she looked very much like all of his wives, she looked very much like all of his girlfriends, and funny thing, every single one of the women that accused him of grabbing her, kissing her, all of these things against her will, right? All of them look almost identically the same. They all have this long blonde hair, they all look like all of his wives, which I find striking. Well, is there a possibility that these are all part of a huge conspiracy to bring him down? Well, the problem with that theory is that a lot of this stuff came out long before he ever was going to be president. So it's not like they're just, you know, gold diggers looking for money, or looking for fame, or looking for any of that, because this was all done when he wasn't that big of a anybody, right, some of them anyway. So you know, it's possible that somebody could make that argument, but it doesn't fit for all of them anyway. Like Jill Hart in 1992, it was someone that he worked with, and it was, it was George Horne, I don't know if I pronounced his name right, it's kind of a funny name, but at any rate, his girlfriend, Trump had put his hands all over her, kissed her forcibly. And the thing that's so incredible about all this stuff is almost all of the allegations exactly match what he himself said on the Access Hollywood tape. When he talked about just, you know, kiss him, I just do it. I don't even ask, I just do it, right? And they love it. And they let you, because you're a star, is what he said. And then he said, I just grab them by, and I'm not going to say it on camera, right? But grab them by the private parts, and it doesn't matter, they let you, you can do anything you want when you're a star. This is what he, with his own mouth, admitted to. In the Planet Hollywood thing, he admitted that, he boasted of it on the tape. But in all these cases, has he ever admitted any of these claims? No, he has not. He admitted to seeing those things on the Access Hollywood tape, right? That it was at the debate, just right afterwards, shortly after he made that tape, or shortly after it was not made, but after it was released, right? He says on a debate that he was taken out of context, it was just locker room talk, trying to dismiss it, like he said before. Well, he didn't say he didn't do it. He didn't say he didn't say it. He just said it was locker room talk, as in you only admit it in the locker room. But he admitted it. Well, let's take Stormy Daniels for a minute. That never went to court for a judicial determination that he did it or not, but pretty clear from the evidence that's out there that he, according to Michael Cohn, that he gave Cohn money to pay her off. Yes. So certainly, you would not pay anybody off unless you had been involved in that particular escapade. Right. You just dismiss it as, ah, never mind. And this is while he was married, and same with the Playboy bunny, right? She was also paid off. And she wasn't going after him for money at all or anything. So that was because there was an article that was being squashed for him. So is it fair to say that one way or the other, with respect to each one of these individual cases, he has denied it, he has doubled down on the denial, he has somehow paid him off or avoided a prosecution or a judicial determination in a civil suit that he has done it. He's gotten away with it. Am I right to say this? Yes, you are. He's gotten away with it each time. So all of the ones that are Wikipedia, all the ones you found, you know, in examining the subject here, he got away with it. There's a couple more, though, that aren't listed in Wikipedia. And this is the biggest one in my mind. And that is that he was accused of raping a 13-year-old. She brought charges against him. Once again, we have a case of being paid off. Yes, 96. And she was 13 at the time. And now she's 94, excuse me. Now she's bringing the case again. She's bringing the suit again because the New York law just opened up that you can bring a civil suit against someone that you accuse of sexual assault, and it doesn't matter how long ago it was. It's opened up a window for a year. Is this interesting, kind of like an amnesty on the statute of limitations? Right, exactly. I recall that she claimed when she brought the suit a second time that she was not barred by the statute of limitations. There was a statute of limitations at the time because Trump and his agents had threatened her and her family. He had all threatened her, yes. And because of that, she was so intimidated that she didn't bring the suit. Right. Same Epstein did the same thing. The specifics of this are, I think, important for people to hear. It was Epstein and Trump, and this girl was recruited from the Mar-a-Lago estate. She worked there as a maid, okay? A number of the people that were recruited into Epstein's trafficking, sex trafficking, were brought from the Mar-a-Lago estate into Epstein's little harem, or whatever you want to call it. These are some of the specifics that are absolutely jarring. When this little girl was 13, Trump came in and tied her to a bed and raped her. According to whom? According to her. According to the allegations in the suit that he came in and raped her, that when she cried and told him to stop and begged him to stop, he hit her in the face to make her stop, kind of knocked her out. Then when he was done, he left her tied to the bed. Before he left, he told her, threatened her, said that he would kill her or her family if she ever told anyone what he had done. Then he left and Epstein came in and raped her and told her the same thing. So they basically tag-teamed raped her, beat her and raped her again. What she says in part of the court documents is that she could hear them fighting in the other room because Epstein was angry that Trump was the one who got to take her virginity. Oh. He was mad because he wasn't... This is in the complaint she filed. This is in the complaint that she filed. No. No, she's around. She's around today. She is around today. She has a live lawsuit right now today. A live lawsuit. There's actually two of them. There's another. There's two lawsuits that are going right now and they're... Right now they're suing... First, they're suing Jeffrey Epstein and the state court of New York. And they're suing Jeffrey Epstein's estate for $100,000. And one of the main reasons... $100,000? I mean, $100 million. Excuse me. $100 million. $100 million. Yeah. What's a thousand here and there? Yeah. Oh, gosh. So at any rate, they're suing Epstein's estate for the $100 million. Did I say it right this time? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Because of this new opening that they've got. So are they suing Trump too? I believe that the 13-year-old is, but I couldn't find the details of that. So I'm not totally sure. I think one of the things that they're hoping for anyway in the process of all of this anyway, is that they're going to open up discovery. So once discovery is opened, then they're going to find out all kinds of things about all kinds of people. And they know that a lot of famous people were Epstein's friends. Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, and we all know what he likes. This could be embarrassing to a lot of people. That's right. Dershowitz, the lawyer Dershowitz. Dershowitz, yeah. Dershowitz is named in there. There's all kinds of big names, right? Okay. So we've got a quote from Trump about, let me find it. Sorry. I should have it right here. Okay. Here it is. This is what Trump said about Epstein in a 2002 interview long before he was going for president. He says in a New York Magazine interview, I've known Jeff for 15 years, terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. I remember that. That was on the national news, that one. Yes, it was. And it goes on to say, no doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life. That's what he said. Now, he says he doesn't know him, oh, I don't, not a big fan. That's what he says, not a big fan. When he was asked about what he thinks about the lawsuit and everything else, so I don't know anything about it. I find that hard to believe. Okay, so what's going to happen now? We have the, of course, the Epstein scenario raises all kinds of questions, particularly when Trump is associated with him, and now he's walking back on that, whether lawsuits, that name the two of them in a combined effect, a combined attack. What's going to happen here? How do you see this unfolding in the courts? How do you see it unfolding in the public mind? I believe that his base will hear his lies when he denies it, and they will believe him, and I believe that the rest of humanity will believe these girls and believe the overwhelming amount of evidence that we have about it. Let me add this. There are just too many red flags. As you said before, he's been able to avoid a judicial determination on any of these cases all this time. He's denied it all. He's doubled down on his denials, which is par for the courts. And he is no stranger to the courts, to all the courts in the country, really. He's an old pro at defending lawsuits, every kind of law. He has had so many lawsuits filed against him for so many things, and I don't know, I guess there have been some successful ones, but the fact is he's good at defending himself. He's good at spending money on lawyers. He's good at finding defenses, and in many cases, successfully defending himself. He's going to do that here because he knows the stakes are the 2020 elections, at least between the action in court between now and the 2020 election, you know, will have an effect on the 2020 election. So you can bet for sure he is going to do what he has done. He is going to defend himself as he can in any suit and any argument in the press. He will criticize anyone who raises the possibility that these claims are true. So how is that going to play out? It sounds like, the likelihood is, he'll be able to avoid, you know, determination that he did it. This is one place where I'm thinking maybe his conservative judges is going to come back to bite him because if this stuff gets in front of a conservative judge, I can't believe they would side with him. Right, but then, you know, we've got Kavanaugh, who I don't care what Trump did. He had the same problem, didn't he? He was exactly, same exact problem. Roy Moore, oh my goodness, and he's running again, so, you know, unfortunately, there's that possibility that we've got these, you know, judges out there that might side with him. Yeah. To me, it's terrifying now. His main claim of how he distanced himself from Epstein was a number of years ago, he says, I haven't talked to him in years, well, they had a falling out because they were both trying to buy the same mansion, waterfront mansion, right, the mansion which Trump ended up buying and then selling almost immediately to a Russian oligarch. Hmm, anything. I mean, it's just a small world, right? Years ago, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Years ago. Yeah. So it happens, he's got his connection to these Russian oligarchs way back then even. Well, I mean, where all his wives come from too, right? Which is another story, but not exactly, but yeah. So, you know, how is this, how is this playing do you think now? People buying this, is this affecting his image? Yes, you know, the planet Hollywood, access Hollywood thing really did not affect him very much. He managed to escape on that. And he managed to escape a lot of these claims that have come out over the years. I mean, if it's in Wikipedia, a lot of people know about it and yet he's escaped, you know, he's escaped the effect of it. Is this something the public is picking up on? Is this something the base is picking up on? Is this something that, you know, the world of prosecution, you know, state prosecutors are they picking up? Or is this just going to fade into the woodwork as we get closer to 2020? I can't imagine that it's going to fade into the woodwork. I would think with everything that's happened with Epstein, even though he's dead now, it doesn't mean everything's over. When they went in and raided his places, he had apparently a gigantic volume of child pornography. Who knows who's going to show up in those pictures or what might be able to be found to corroborate some of these. Some of those names that have come up might be able to show up in those pictures. He also supposedly kept a detailed diary of events and people and things in his little black book, his little, you know, what you call a book, phone book, right. He had several numbers to contact Trump, several numbers in order to be able to contact him. So there's a lot of famous people, names that are going to be coming out pretty soon. And I don't quite see how Trump can manage to not keep his name out of it. I worry for how people are going to respond to this. Because there's been such a slow drip of information that we're kind of numb to it. Well, we'd be distracted by so many other things. Other things. Because of the body. Yeah. Right. We're kind of desensitized to it. Even the Me Too movement. We're kind of desensitized to that. Because there's so much happening around. You think the Me Too movement would be all over this, what you just talked about. Right. Haven't heard lately anyway from them. Yeah. So what about, you know, we started out this discussion and it's certainly worth talking about at the end of it. What about, you know, the death of Epstein? Epstein sounds like a pretty dangerous character for Trump. Yeah. In his mind and memory, aside from the documents they may have found when they raided his house, there's stuff that would insinuate, incriminate rather, a great number of important people. That makes Epstein, that made him very dangerous and it makes his documents dangerous too. So it seems like all the evidence points to a real suicide here. A medical examiner found that it was a suicide. I wrote a will a couple days before, which sounds like he was, you know, putting his affairs in order and that sort of suggests a suicide. There's no information to the contrary of a suicide. It's just a sort of circumstantial thing, the fact that he was very dangerous men for powerful people, you know. Which means he had a big target on him, right? And so I would think for me, if it was me, rather than go to prison where I'm going to be for life and I'm going to have a big target on me and die painfully, I'll just take my own life. I believe that he committed suicide under duress. I believe he was either threatened or he knew that he was threatened because he had all these important people, right, that were going to be out for him. But I think it's very telling that very next day, Trump retweets something that says that he thinks that Bill Clinton, it was at some conspiracy theorist put on there, oh, well, let's see, Bill Clinton was a good friend of Epstein and now Epstein's dead, right? Well, one more for the Clinton number or something, for the Clinton head count, something like that. And Trump retweets it. Why would he retweet something like that? He doesn't really talk specifically about anything to do with Epstein, but he'll retweet a conspiracy theory about who could be behind his murder. Wait, nobody said anything about murder yet. But he's retweeting something about possibly being a murderer. He's pretty sloppy in his retweeting. So if you were Trump, Cynthia, how much concern would you have about all of this? Would you see this as something that you had to take from Tobacco about? Would you see this as something that would jeopardize your ability to win the election or remain unimpeached? How concerned do you think he might be right now over this? I think he might be very concerned. And I think that I try to look at most of the things that he says through the projection and through the lens of projection, because he's great at that, where whatever you accuse someone else of is what you're guilty of. I thought it was really odd that he's accusing, through someone else's words, he's accusing the Clintons of killing this guy. And I think, huh, projection, so I don't know. I look at everything he says through projection. I think he is very worried. I think he should be very worried. And I can only pray that it's going to make a difference. The fact that evangelical Christians don't have a problem with all of this is just something I can't quite fit into my head. And this whole thing is, it goes beyond just having a rapist in the Oval Office. It goes to all of his policies, his very attitude, and how that ripple effect comes down to silence and devalue women and elevate people that don't treat women well and that harm women. And that goes back to the whole Roy Moore and Kavanaugh. And I mean, he consistently does this over and over and over, devalues women and yet elevates the men who harm them. Standing by itself, the whole misogyny thing here, you think that would stand as a ground for impeachment? Oh, all by itself. One person. Look what happened to Bill Clinton because of Monica Lewinsky. One person. One person. And that was consensual. That was consensual on both sides, yeah. Consensual on both sides. Granted, it was in the Oval Office, but who knows what Trump has done in the Oval Office? Yeah. Who knows? Okay, the last question here is we titled this show, Should Trump Need to Register Yes. As a sex offender? Yes. I'll march him down to the office, yes. Thank you. Cynthia Sinclair. Thanks for doing- I'm part of the respect and the chaos. Thank you, Jay. I appreciate you coming on the show today with me. Thank you, Cynthia. Aloha. Aloha.