 Man, we end up in a hunger strike, man. I had struggled with Jackie Wilson, because the thing was, three days, he went on so long, he was, I said, I said, I said, sit where is he? Man, Tim, come up off the hunger strike. He said, champ, he said he don't want to come up because he ain't never been involved with nothing like this. I said, man, I see, it's still showing this unity, you know what I'm saying? Structure. We on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. We need that structure. It's we are impacted by certain, the different dynamics in Chicago, when you talk about, it's such a structure, you can tell, even when you say, okay, man, what year they coming in? Okay, as gangsters, disciples, growth and development, y'all saying the stars, where era they come from? And it's not putting the onus of responsibility on the individual, you're taking into account whether conditions are, this impacts everything. That's the history. That's the history and also the condition. We talking about food, doing food, we say, okay, where they come from? They come from Vietnam. Who was colonized in Vietnam, but they were all the French? Oh, that's North Vietnam or South Vietnam. See, other communities acknowledge those contradictions in Korea. Give me your song. Made it clear to US. He said, oh, the South Korea is a rolling with you. That's not here. Wow. In Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh, G.O.P. They made it clear. No, North Vietnam, we were independence. So the discussion about the Tet offensive, other dynamics started going down. Made it clear. You can't, we can't come with this elementary assessment. Oh, this one, the Jones, we all, the family, we all together. Chairman Frey had two siblings. Older brother and older sister. As children, they were different. Love them all. At school, across the street. Frey, not Chairman Frey, he wasn't even in school yet. Okay. The white boys had beat up his older brother. Frey took a wagon for the bottles over to the school and get down with him. As a child. Wow. 12 years old, man. 12 years old. The lady who was in school, she told me this. 12 years old, this cat, man. It wasn't no swimming pool facilities. And we still fighting about that right now to this day. They got a pool, they ain't nothing here when it's not open. Right now, I'm gonna take y'all by that and show you that. He goes, he see, he see a male roles part. White children over there swimming. He ain't going to do it. He's at 12 years old, it's a contradiction. He, he go get the students. The lady tell him, she said, yo, she said, he took these sticks and cardboard. I said, what? She said, you heard me. Branches. Stuck them through cardboard. Go up there and protest for us to have a swimming pool. The police throw tear gas canisters out there. He picked the hot tear gas canisters and throw it back at the police. When they be out calling for a wide tap on this house. We ran. The DC bureau thought it was a typo. This cat can't be no 13, 14 years old, man. When he went to the Vizier East High School, I can't, I forgive him. I keep forgetting his ladies' names. Bob Johnson, the former CEO of BET. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bob Johnson. It's his wife. Okay. She had technically won the homecoming queen at the high school. Okay. The administrator says, they ain't having a hip. The white girl from the get that. He challenged that. They was in high school with her. Y'all, he challenged that. They said, okay, we're gonna get a concession. Both of them get the homecoming queen. This was before he was in the Black Panther party. They studied him. Man, listen, man, we got some, man, they do this to our people. They know our lineage. They don't need no more appropriate to tell whose son is who. They can pick up on your body language. This is a problem right here. Let me ask you this. And I hate to take it back there, but the prison, because being one that understand prison, when you went to prison, how much did that impact who you are as a person at the time that you got to sit down and study yourself? Let me say this about, I'm gonna take for granted that one, I'm alive, my sanity. That's right. In fact, minister UEP Nunez said that if it was not for the support of the people, I would have come out of there in the pine box, if I come out of there at all. That's right. Because prison is designed not for the rehabilitation to break the will and spirit of men, women and children. That's great. I still have a love for the people. And I see certain, I'm starting to, I don't want to become bitter to the point you know what I'm saying, because that's a major ingredient is revolutionary, a love for the people. Correct. And I catch myself now, because not just for help, ladies would check on my mother's blood pressure the other day. I say, check mine. Can't feel, we just had a phenomenal peace march a few days before that and it was off the hook. Man, you had all, you used to have some real sons and guns, sons and girls. Man, every now and you think of, man, they truly was right there with this march. We got another one coming up in a minute. And my chest was tight and I said, she took my blood, she said, who? She said, you need this, she said, man. She said, oh, yeah, he needed this, you know. So I'm trying to pick my moves, but I don't want to ever become, I say, I be worried is to break them, like the love for the people, you know what I'm saying? Because I love our people, but this is a hell of a job, man. Now I get it. How was this prison state and how it impacted you as a person? I met the best, I met, man, I met the best, I met the best, the raw reality, like Malcolm X said, American self as a prison minister. He said, prison is a microcosm in the outside community. I studied myself, the hunger strikes, all of that. You know what I'm saying? You could see, which takes you alone, like six months to see on the streets, you could see in the six days, you know what I'm saying? The being transferred, the conditions all let you know. Patience, patience. Patience. You definitely learn patience, right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you definitely learn faith, right? Oh, listen. Faith and patience. You hear me a lot, always give a scientific analysis on that, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, one brother introduced me one time, he said, oh, the chair, I don't think he believes, you know, God, you got me confused, Jack. I said, did you see it, man? I'll be on the battlefield praying, you know what I'm saying? And it's things that I'm here, that you really can't answer, I mean, I can't be in, kiss the casket, tango with torch and dance with death. Yeah. When I was a minor, I just knew I wasn't coming up out of there. I tell them people on visits, like, man, I'm not here. I'm not coming up out of here alive. They, I mean, man, they got my pitching, chairman pitching the gun towel right now to this date. They got, you get six months out of your sentence. In Staveville, August 1998, they shot at me through the gun towel, a guard named Voight, a man called in prison, pushed me out of the way, called the book, shot in his collarbone. When now they put a guy in the cell, me missing ill, the plan was to have me took out Big Muddy River. We call it Big Bloody River. They probably, we call it Harold Washington trade, poison food trade. Oh, you man, they, oh man, a countless of times, man. Wow, riots? Oh, yeah, yeah, uprisings and get-outs and, I mean, you know, infamous Staveville, I-House segregation beatings. All of you familiar with Jackie Wilson. Jack, man, Andrew Wilson. Jackie, they killed Andrew Wilson in the joint. But the Wilson brothers were subject to the largest, one of the largest manhunt in Chicago history, Mary Jane Byrne, put a $10,000 hit on their head. Lieutenant John Burge, who was of homegrown terrorists, who was trained in Fort Benning, Georgia. He had the black box. Had an electric shock you on your sex organs. They had, they caught them and threw them out of Wendell downtown. Jackie Wilson was locked up with us, man. They, man, he's just a recent release, man. I'm, in fact, I'm gonna connect y'all with them, man. Man, I'm just, I ain't seen this, I ain't since he been out. It was times, I guess I'm gonna leave it to you to talk about this, man, we, I-House was the notorious beatings in Staveville. They, I mean, he was a lieutenant, Luther Manny. He had a whole crew. And it's my first time in the max. They took me out of Shawnee, the medium, and sent me to the max. And it was a March 10th. Yeah, I mean, that's the day Harry Tubman was born. It was the same year, Biggie Smalls at Murder Club. I remember hearing on the TV and they shipped me out in March 10th. And I come to Staveville, come through the gallery, you know what I'm saying? The rats, the roaches, all that going through the gallery. So the guy, he's like, man, what's said y'all gonna go in? It's about seven, eight, like the old M.G.C. on this chain. Yeah, yeah. And so guys, they hopped through the chuck hole. Ain't nobody coming up in here, you know what I'm saying? Anybody put it on, I'm raping them, you know what I'm saying? So the guy, I said, what's said, you gonna go, I said, listen, man, you put me in, I said, you gonna put me in, you know what I'm saying? Ain't no fugitive, man, on the run, wherever you're going. So he said, we're gonna see. So they said, oh, it's the chairman. So they're like, man, come on, come on, come on this sale, come on this sale. Swain them down and sell another brother down the way. And man, we are, so everybody like, chairman, man, hey, man, when you gonna shut the joint down, man? We know how you get out. I said, hold on, be cool, be cool. So guys, send me kites, let us. Don't talk to this guy. This guy is a stool pigeon, this guy. So I finally came to those and listen, man, I can't see nobody. This might be the ward. I don't know who this is behind that door. Give me a minute. We're gonna go fishing, but let me see what I'm working with. Guppies, sharks, piranhas, give me a minute. We're gonna go fishing. Let me assess what we're dealing with. Man, we end up in a hunger strike, man. I had struggled with Jackie Wilson because the thing was three days. He went on so long, I said, I said, I said, where is he? I said, man, Tim, come up off the hunger strike. He said, chairman, he said he don't wanna come up because he ain't never been involved with nothing like this. I said, man, I see it's still showing this unity, you know what I'm saying? It's structure. And man, they had us in the situation one time. They round us all up and they call a bull pen. So we all, as we're all in the bull pen, so they would lock you all up in there. And they crewed and they get down on you. Now you, everybody handcuffed. So somebody knew how to help ease the cuffs off, you know what I'm saying? So the guys, they coming back. And so my first time in this, so I'm sitting there, so they show me, so the braces fall off my wrist. So I'm already on the guard coming. They like, chairman, chairman, you gotta put your hands up behind your back. And they think we're still there. That's right. And I had to, you know, and I was in the suit of max. And I remember all the guys they brought down there. Brits born, this dude, they changed the thing about the, they give you a date set for your execution. They gotta move on it. Cause they would give this guy, they executed, he would catch another case on the guard. Yeah. And he'd get a continuous. Correct. So they had make up a lossy listen. You get your death date get out. And this is my first time seeing this cat. This is the, this cat was a legend. Like guard, you say his name around guard. They had a shape. All right. They know it. Yeah. So I'm down in the suit max. I see him about this tall, big glasses. I said, that's him. So the, you know what I'm saying? You know, I've been fortunate and I'm fortunate to have my name even listed. You know what I'm saying? Peltier, the Mamiabu, Jamal's and Sunday at the Coliseum. And I don't, you know what I'm saying? So I can't forget, you know what I'm saying? Those who, you know, since they're Catholic, in fact, you know, free them all. We on boss talk one-on-one, one-on-one. Here we go.