 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? We're back with another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have another special guest. We have Vic, who is one of the moderators at MIC. Vic is pretty cool because when he joined MIC from what I gather, he didn't have too much pre-knowledge in trading. And he's really cool because he stuck to the MIC process, found a great tab and kind of moved his way into the super great, profitable, successful trader. So I've been pretty excited to have him on. So thanks for coming on, Vic. Yeah, absolutely, man. I'm really glad we're doing this in the morning because otherwise Harry would have me fucking hammered in the time. So. We're doing the pre-marker right now. I've got a few trades going on. This is like, we wanted to do it in the morning. So if you wanted to kind of give a quick little background about yourself, you know, how you found trading and you know, how you got into MIC and what you were kind of doing beforehand. Yeah, I mean, well, my love for trading, right? The reason why one of the trades started many, many years ago, but I never really had the opportunity to really get the right education, the right avenue to get involved and really understand what I was doing. I read a book by a guy by the name of Larry Williams. He said, you know, it was basically the title was like how he made a million dollars trading futures. And that was literally like decades ago. I'm old as fuck. So that was a really long time ago. And that got me like interested. And then I saw the movie, Trading Spaces. Oh, well then. I know, right? And I was like, fuck you, dude, I can trade futures and make millions. I mean, fucking riches sitting on a beach. Pork bellies. Right, exactly. And I was like, and orange juice, I like, okay. So I looked into it and I tried to understand it. And I was like, you know, I was so early in even my civilian career and everything else I was doing. I just didn't have the funds to really go after it. And there was nobody really teaching anything. There was no education out there. So it just kind of like, I'm not gonna say it felt to the wayside, but you know, I really pursued my real career, everything that pushed me forward to get me to the point where I am today. And then, you know, here I am, I find MIC. And I'm a skeptical motherfucker, man. I mean, you know, when you guys, when we get together like in person, I'll tell you all this shit that I fucking know. The things I do, right? So I do secret squirrel shit and whatnot. You know, so I'm a skeptical dude. And when I see like Alice come on to, you know, Facebook with his advertisement and join MIC or you're a fucking loser, you know? And I was like, all right, fuck it. You know, what do I got to lose? Let me check these guys out and see what's going on. So I call the number that Tosh has on the thing. And, you know, Tosh doesn't answer the number all the time. So I'm like, fuck these guys, don't return my phone calls, what's going on? So I sent him a text, I'm like, hey dude, I called you, lift your voicemail. He's like, yeah, bro, I only answer texts. Fuck! So he hooked me up. He's like, look, he's like, just try a month. Try a monthly membership. And if you like it, stay. If you don't, then at least you found out. And I was like, all right, fuck it. What's a month, you know? And that's how I got started. That's how I kind of came into MIC. And then from there, it was just kind of a snowball effect. It was, when I joined MIC early in 2020, it was before COVID really hit. So I was looking around, you know, trying to figure out how am I gonna really study and maintain my day job? Because my day job is busy as hell. And if anybody has counts the number of F-bombs I do in this podcast, I'll review your charts for like three fucking days straight. So, if I'm... You shouldn't have done that. Now everyone's gonna go backwards. I know, everyone's gonna be like, fuck, I'm counting that shit, dude. Does that one count? Vic, how long were you in the service for? I spent 22 years in the service. Jesus, dude, good for you. Thank you. Yeah, it was a long fucking haul. So you found trading just kind of like through, you know, just through like finding like movies and like those books and like stuff like that. That was the only thing. It wasn't like... That's when I saw that, yeah, like trading was a real thing. I'm like, fuck, people do this shit. So, you know, that's how I kind of figured it out. And I was like, fuck, okay. So then, I found a way to have my scene. And I realized that my learning curve was very short. I went from here to here, you know, in a very short period of time. Most people, it's a little bit longer. And, but I attribute that a lot to my discipline. You know, the discipline that I learned in the military, the discipline that I've learned in my day-to-day life and things that I do. So when I was on my way to work, I put a video one on a car and listened to it. So I'd be listening to Joe going over the basic trading series, you know, and just listening to it. And then when I hear things that like, oh, I need to go back and watch that so I can see what's happening on the screen. I come home that evening, spin it back up and go through it a second time to see what's happening. And that's how my education started into this thing. And then, you know, I just kept digging into it and digging into it. Then COVID hit and I was like, fuck, I got time, bro. So then I really dug into it and spent quality time going into the videos. I didn't ask questions like my first two and a half, three months, because I was like, I'm not asking questions. I sound like a fucking idiot, you know? Yeah. I don't even remember you joining in the first, like before COVID, like I didn't even know that you were like a member. We have a ton of people who just come in, join. They don't really participate in the main chat. They're not really looking for any sort of attention. They're just, you know, coming in to learn. They want to see what's up. They read the main chat. They don't necessarily participate. They don't participate in after hours. And I mean, we have like, right now we're at, like on this day, we're at 2,300 people, almost 2,400. And how many of those people, you know, are participating actively in the main chat? A lot of people are learning. So we do have this kind of silent majority of people learning and just chilling. So I honestly think that that is, that can be a good way to really jump start your learning as, you know, using the community if you need it. But also if you're a good learner that way, like kind of Vic is, that's another way to go about it, you know, and that's not really, that's not, there's no right or wrong way, but I think that that is like, that's another good avenue that a lot of people have mentioned on this podcast, you know? Yeah, I agree. It's okay. Well, I was going to interject real quick because it's funny to me that the most successful people that, like everyone wants to get into trading and make money really quick, but it's like nobody wants to like put their head down and like bury into the work really quickly. They always want to like jump, jump right into trading and making money. So like what I noticed with you and Vic's, one of Vic's tabs was from my name, Faye, they just put their head down and they were just work. It was just focused on that, that was it, nothing else. And then you notice that these are the people that they're putting out the PNLs now that are like 2,000, 3,000, you know, it's like you learned the right way and you actually just put your head down and like focused on it. And like, I think that's really, really good. How did you get it? Oh, sorry. Oh, good man. How did you meet Faye? Like, do you want to kind of go about that journey? Sure. So matter of fact, I had a conversation with another member in a group or in a club about how this happened and kind of gave him some pointers as to how to go find a tab. So when I was in the group and in the main chat, you know, I'd see Faye posting and I saw that she was really, she was doing well, right? She wasn't like posting like large PNLs and shit, but she was consistent. She was asking good questions and she seemed like somebody who was just about where I was within my journey becoming a trader. So I was also looking for a tab at the time. And you know, I talked to Woody and he was trying to link me up with somebody. And so I just hit Faye up. I'm like, hey, so I'm sure you get asked this all the time, but would you like to be on my tab? And she's like, sure, let me ask the other guy I'm currently linked up with. And then maybe we'll invite you in. I'm like, fuck, cool. Okay, and then sure enough, later that afternoon, sure, join the group. So there was three of us in the group. Me and Faye were probably the most active, another gentleman by the name of Kevin, super nice guy and he was just, he was kind of at that same point of his journey. And that's how I met Faye. That's how I ended up finding, for me, the right tab was I saw somebody who was at a similar level that I was at, a similar point in their journey and the attitude just seemed right. And we clicked immediately. And from there, it was just the rest is history, literally. Did you guys push each other to like study harder and stuff? Was it like very balanced that way? Or like, how did you guys kind of come? Cause again, you guys, I think it just both of you came into this so quick and that is, it is kind of rare to see. So like, I think what was like the driving factor to that? So I think me and Faye were really good at research and analytical stuff, right? So Faye would go out and she would dig into other videos and then she would like send over a video like, hey, look, this is a good one on this specific topic. And so we would dig into that. And on my side, I was really good at just at figuring shit out because of my engineering background. So like things like understanding the level to a little bit deeper, understanding some of the things that are happening in the tape. You know, you listen about, talk about how the tape is not really necessary, but there are clues. There are things in there like the ball going up in the air, slowing down, it stops, and then it comes back down, those kinds of things. So I would talk about those kinds of things and we would share ideas and information back and forth about things that we're learning. So I would find something out, she would find something out, we come together, we talk about it, and then we start applying it. And that's really what I think pushed us in that direction further. That's what kept that catalyst going. We didn't just go off in our separate directions, figure shit out and do it on our own. We literally worked as a team to keep pushing each other a little bit further with things that I was figuring out. Then she'd figure some shit out and I'm like, well, fuck, I wanna know that shit too. So, you know, and I'm competitive. So that kind of drove that a little bit. So I would dig into it a little bit deeper because she was pushing stuff at me. She was like, hey, check this out. So she'd start digging into the options a little bit and saying, here's some good info on the options stuff. We both attended the options bootcamp by Joe. That was huge. So stuff like that, it was just, it was a really good synergy that we had between us pushing it back and forth. And that was a big piece of it. I think that really helped move us down that road faster. Yeah, absolutely, better. I think a lot like, because Bow was an engineer as well by trade. And I think that engineering degree helped Bow a lot with his trading and figuring shit out and just even simple shit with the velocity and stuff like that. Like, that is where his trading or his engineering degree can't get a trading degree yet. We're issuing them next week. Yeah, that's where I think it helped them want. If there were like, do you think it was just like the work ethic and study of the engineering? Or do you think it was more so a lot of the technical side that helped you out? Because I've always kind of had this question with a lot of engineers is like, did you find it was more so the technical side or was it the discipline that you had to put in your degree or was it more so like building things and figuring shit out like that? I was just kind of wondering. So that's interesting that you said, because I never really thought about it that way. And there were times where I thought my engineering background is actually a hurdle because I want to know so many details. And some of those details really aren't that important when it comes to trading. Like when you see a big soak happening on a price, sure, it's noticeable and it's something to pay attention to, but for the reasons why it's happening, who's fucking doing it? How big is the fucking order? All those things, how much volume is actually happening there? It's not, there is no one thing that matters that much more than something else, right? When it comes to those things. So being an engineer, I would dig into those details and I'd be like, fuck, I want it. And those things I would catch myself on and be like, fuck dude, I really don't need to know that level of detail. It's not that important. Later, I can dig into it if I want to just for my own curiosity's sake. So I think early on, I think having my engineering background, definitely the discipline with having to be focused on details enough to put pieces together, knowing that I can't just jump in knowing one thing. I have to jump in knowing multiple things that put a system together, right? Because that's what engineering is all about. Engineering isn't just engineering one thing. Engineering is engineering pieces that come together to make an entire process or box or whatever it is. And I think that really is what helps from an engineering perspective, right? Is that you know, you can't go in just saying, okay, I understand the chart. I understand this is support. I understand this is resistance. And that's what I'm gonna do. You understand those things. Now you need to understand, okay, there's also volume that comes into play. And then there's also the trade management piece of this or the risk management piece of this to know how to size your trades. Those three things right there is enough to get you moving in the right direction, making good trades. But you can't take just volume and make good trades. You can't just take risk management and make good trades. You can't take just support and resistance and make good trades. You need a couple of pieces of things to put together in a process. That's what helps you to start making good trades. And I think that's really what engineers bring to the table from a understanding perspective that allow them to kind of progress down that path with less hurdles than other folks. Yeah, exactly. And I think that that's a good, because I get a lot of questions from members too, where like, I think that was a perfect explanation of that because that really makes sense to me now. And I get a lot of questions from members where like, let's say for instance, you have two members. One member, I get these questions a lot where they're like, oh, well, I'm just gonna trade off support and resistance. And yes, you can do that. Like no one's saying that you can't do that. But the next step is going to be stock selection, right? And so you get one member who's a short seller. And I get a lot of short sellers too because they're interested in what I'm thinking as far as the long side as well. And so we have one member who's trying to short the hot check off a daily resistance or maybe the pre-market high and that didn't work out, got stopped out. And he's like, well, I'm using the resistance. What's the problem? It's like, well, now you need to dig deeper and look at the stock selection. Alex in his watch list every day is saying, don't short the hot check, don't short the hot check. So if you're combining a broken stock with a little bit of volume, with support and resistance, that is going to be a winning recipe. Whereas if you're just trying to cherry pick here and there and then try and say the process isn't working, well, for someone like me, I'm like, okay, well, you're not digging deep enough. And when you're talking about the details and the little things that you find, that sounds exactly like me. I'm not like an engineer at all by any stretch. I did business, but that sounds like me because you're always kind of hunting to, it's like a snowball effect, right? You start with a tiny snowball and then as you kind of build and learn and grow, the snowball of your knowledge really grows and then you can build a snowman, right? Exactly, yeah. And it's, I talk to traders all the time and they get hung up on wanting to know so many things in the beginning when you really don't need to know everything in the beginning. There are key pieces that are absolutely important for getting started and moving in the right direction and taking that first trade. And those things were found in the accelerator course. And if they just follow that piece of it, it'll be huge and it'll take them to that first step of making some good trades and getting them on the right road to being profitable. And being a good trader, it's just like anything else. It's all about the work you put into it. If you work at it, you're gonna be good at it. Baseball players don't show up 10 minutes to practice and be like, fucking, I'm gonna be good. They fucking work at it and work at it and work at it and that's what anybody who's good at it. I'm good at my day job because I worked my fucking ass off to get there and that's why I'm so valued and paid so well is because I'm so good at it. And nobody gets to that level without just going to Starbucks every fucking day and showing up to work and sitting under ass and asking stupid questions. Yeah. It's true. And I think a lot of people too, when they watch the accelerator and the trading fish, I think in those two videos alone, they give you enough technical background to learn how Bow trades and kind of like a very good glimpse in the MIC process. Like I have a lot of people ask me about Bow. How does he do it? How does he do it? And it's like, I think people with that technical mind and that like hardworking mind early on because if everyone just watches that last IG live where Bow talks about why he quit his engineering job, it's the same thing. It's like, they put in enough work early on, they have this technical mind and they can put like a rhyme to reason to what they do in their trades and that kind of pushes these people into being profitable so much quicker. And it's like, people show up and they're like, like I watched the videos now, I watched a video now what? Why do I short here? Give me the tape, give me this, give me that. And I like that you are kind of explaining it as more of a puzzle piece that like is like a little bit of hard work, a little bit of like technicals and like what you got to figure out. And like, I think that's really helped you get to where you are now. And something I wanted to comment on then about you that I really, I'm impressed by and I like is you're not afraid to trade like super small size, like randomly, like you'll be like, oh, see I made 50 bucks here, 50 bucks here. And then the next thing you know you're up $2,000 or $3,000 or something like, how did you get yourself to that point that mentally because I think, you know, it's one thing it's impressive that you made it even to be profitable quick. It's another thing to get the mindset right that early too. So how did you do that? What kind of brought you to this step? Oddly enough, so when I first started like putting my first trades on, my lines sucked. I was horrible. I was early on trades. And so once I figured out that I was just being early on trades, I started sizing down and, you know, sizing down even more than what I was already sized down as, you know, I wasn't trading, you know, 1,000 shares, 2,000 shares, 10,000 shares and like that, but I was trading, you know, 100 shares, 200 shares. And you know, that like 500 shares was like my max size because I wasn't willing to put it on any more than that. So early on my lines were absolutely horrible. I was always early to the party and just figuring shit out. And then once I kind of figured that out, like, okay, you know, I'm a little bit early on some of these things. I need to look at some things a little bit better. I understand the lines a little bit better. And I keep going back. I'd always go back and match my lines to Alex's lines when he starts drawing lines on his watchlist videos that he would put out. And then also on the watchlist itself, now he doesn't do the videos much anymore, but he does still put the list out and he's drawing and he's saying what prices he's interested at. And then I go back and I'm like, okay, you know, checking that out. I think a combination of that. And then, you know, now my goal is, and anybody's goal, honestly, is when you get into a trade to start that trade off, I dip my toe in the water. Because, you know, while the edge is on our side, you never know what's gonna happen. You don't know what's happening behind the scenes, right? This is the other reasons that things happen, right? Somebody turns on an algo, somebody comes in and buys 80 billion shares of this fucking stock and the thing rips right through you. Well, if I dip my toe in the water, sure. It's gonna stink a tiny, tiny bit. It's better to stick in my whole fucking leg in the pool than have it bit off by a shark. And that's where I think some people can take some stuff away is just dip your toe in the water. You know, that initial trade, if your size on any trade is gonna be 500 shares, well, that first trade should be like 50 shares. Throw 50 shares at it. If it starts to confirm and starts to really farm up, then add some more size to it. And then, you know, as it further moves in your direction, now you're adding to a winner, add a little more size. And that's, that is really one of the things, I think, that helped me understand even deeper the whole risk management side of it. Because if I can keep my losses as small as possible and then when a trade confirms and firms up on the theory that I have on this thing, and I can just add more size to it and capitalize on those gains, but minimize my risk by dipping my toe in the water, now my losses are fucking tiny. But on the flip side, if it works out and it hits, it hits a target and I'm out, oh, fuck it, I'm out. You know, I made 50, 60 bucks, whatever, no big deal. But all that shit adds up at the end of the day. And I think some traders who see this stuff and see these things that I'm doing, they see how quickly it can add up. And once they start seeing how quickly, you know, three, four trades of 50, 60 bucks each, all of a sudden, you know, I'm up 240 bucks for the day, made a couple of trades, super tiny size, and they're like, fuck, dude, 200 bucks would like fucking change my entire fucking life. 200 bucks a day is a fuck ton of money. You know, nobody realizes how much money that is. If you count like 20 trading days in the month, that's four grand. Yep. You know, how much would four grand change somebody's life for making a car payment, making a mortgage payment, or just having that extra money to put aside to take a really nice vacation, all these kinds of things. If people would start thinking smaller, instead of thinking bigger and looking for the Lambo, they would, you know, change the way that their mindset is. And that's, I mean, I could think that's another thing that really helps too, is that, you know, I don't have to trade. I could stay at my day job and I'm comfortable. I mean, I make good money, I don't have to do it. But the supplemental income that I'm bringing in through trading, why wouldn't I do it, right? I mean, I can capitalize on my supplemental trading, bring in another six figures, and I can do a ton more in my retirement years and kick back and have a lifestyle that most of the retirees my age are gonna be like, fuck dude, how do you do that? Taking trips all around the world, doing my thing. 100%, I think that, I think it irritates the shit out of me that people get into trading so for the wrong reasons. Like, of course, like everyone wants to make millions of dollars and like, it is all possible. Like, honestly, like, the MSU processes like that groundwork for that. But it's like, people forget like, it's like people are making 50 grand a year and then like, if they're trading and they're making like 500 a day, like that's not enough. And it's like, but you're making, you're yearly, oh, like you're not even understanding how important that is. Like the guy had a nice day yesterday and like I, and I was happy with it. And I've like trained my brain now to just be like, dude, whatever you make in trading is obviously better than 99% of people are making in the world. And it's like, dude, if you make $100 in a day, I mean, I went out last night, I got a fat steak, I got a side, I got a salad, I got drinks, I got like 250 bucks or something like that. And it's like, you can make that trading with your eyes closed, you know? It's true, it's like people lose that side of that. And I think it's cool that you're like, oh, I made 50 bucks, I made 50 bucks and then boom, a thousand, boom, like whatever. So I think that's really, really key for you. And I think that, especially as you trade bigger and bigger and like grow, it's like that $50 trades are gonna be the $100 and then it'll be like 2000 and forth, whatever. So it's pretty cool. And I like how you've explained trading as a whole. I think for new traders, like you guys need to pull yourselves back and see where Vic is coming from. You know, one, I think, Vic, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking. I just turned 51. 51, so Vic's 51, he's in service. I mean, he has a day job and I had never heard him bitch and moan about videos. I've never heard him bitch and moan about put in the work. He not only has he done all that, he's also put in extra work to become like a moderator and all this stuff. I just, it's crazy to me to hear people bitch and complain. I fucking hate it. I fucking hate it, dude. I hate it. And then it's like, we talk to people like you and it's like, all right, now whenever I DM someone like that, I'm like, bro, you're gonna have to watch this episode and then kind of promptly shut up and like start working, like get the fuck. The info is there. If people just take a step back and look, you said it, right? Everybody wants to come into trading and make a million dollars. That's everybody's fucking dream. But your dream has to start with the first step. And that first step has to be a realistic step. And that realistic step has to be, I need to make 50 bucks a day. And then from there, okay, I've made 50 bucks a day. Now that 50 turns into 60, turns into 80, turns into 100, 120. And it takes time. And everybody's progression to go from that 50 bucks a day to 500 bucks a day is gonna be different. And it's okay, there is no expectation that you have to come into this on day one and make $500 a thousand dollars a day right out of the fucking gate. That's, people set unrealistic expectations on themselves and just need to take, you know, reel it in a little bit and come back and say, man, you know what? I mean, I made 30 bucks a day trading 200 shares. Fuck dude, good on you. Because how many other people are sitting around making, how many people make 30 bucks an hour? Not many, not a lot. Right, think about that, right? So when you wanna think about what kind of money you're making in that first hour of trading, I spent from 9.30 to 10.30 and I made 30 bucks an hour. Think about that shit, right? And then all of a sudden, oh, yeah, okay, I'm making 30 bucks an hour and I'm only working one hour a day. You keep, then that turns into a catalyst of, I'm making $300 an hour for an hour a day. You know, and it just, that's what it becomes. And you just have to be able to take the time and take that first spoon of hard work, suck it down and then keep doing it, right? Keep repeating that. And one of the other things I think people do too, which really, I wish they wouldn't do, is once they start to find a little success, they start changing things. They change what they're doing a little bit and just by doing that, it all of a sudden throws a wrench in a process. Now they went from being a profitable trader to being a losing trader. And it's because they changed something. You don't change anything, right? When it's time for any individual trader to size up more, you'll know, you will absolutely know. And you'll know how much to size up. It'll just happen organically, it'll happen naturally and you'll figure it out on your own as you're going through this process. If you start out trading like my Mac size is 200 shares and your fucking first, you know, your first entry into the market is 20 shares, that's what it is. Then as you grow, if all of a sudden you're making consistent profits every day, you're making 20, 30, 40 bucks a day, now all of a sudden I'm gonna change my starter size from 20 shares to 100 shares. Nope, wrong fucking answer, right? That's the wrong fucking answer. If you wanna size up, you should be sizing up 10% of whatever your starter is. That will put a realistic level on you to keep it simple, right? And give you a little bit more size, but not without biting off more than you can chew. Because when you bite off more than you chew, more than you can chew, you end up putting your mind at a different place. You start having a little bit more emotion in the game and your palms get sweaty, your fucking heart starts beating, your fucking stressed out. Don't do it. Don't put the extra stress on yourself if you don't have to. If you're comfortable trading 25 shares as your starter, trade 25 shares and eventually trade 27 shares, whatever. You know, who gives a flying fuck? There is no written rule that says your starter has to be at least 100 shares. Fuck that, dude. If your first starter is two shares, then it's two shares. It is what it is. I just wanted to say one thing. I like how you kind of, you know, I think for every person who gets into this, there's some type of reason why. I mean, mostly people are getting in for the money, but I mean, it's what the money brings. The money brings freedom and the ability to kind of do what you want, right? And it's really important to kind of, I guess say to yourself like, you know, what is my goal? Like for some people, their goal is to put their kids through college. For some people, their goal is to do whatever. It's not necessarily drive a Lambo or be super flashy. I mean, for every single person, there's a reason why they got into it. And I think it's really good that, you know, you're able to kind of say, my goal is that I want to kind of save for my retirement. You know, I want to keep doing this as kind of supplemental income. And then that's kind of what I want to do, you know? And, you know, I think that that's a, you know, there's no shame in saying your goals and what you want to do, right? You know, there's no shame in that, you know? You map out a plan, you say, this is what I want to do. And when I fucking retire, you know, this is what's gonna happen or and this is how I'm gonna get there, you know? And so I think for everyone, everyone needs to just kind of map out their goals and why they're doing this. And maybe that'll stop people from fucking longing broken charts and shorting the hot check. Matter of. I knew that was fucking crack pick up at the end. People can pick up at the end. I mean, I always laugh about this in chats. I was just like, people are fucking, they're dumb. They don't want it to put in, they don't want to be patient. They don't want to, they, I don't know. It's everything, they go against everything we're saying. They want to make the money now. They want wear Lambo and then they want to be like super rich and famous. But like, they don't understand that like, most traders started out with this like slow mindset of like 50 shares, 100 shares like this. And it's like, it's crazy. It's like, it irritates me further. Like this whole podcast is irritating. It's like, I'm hearing someone do exactly what they're supposed to and like look at how quick it snowballed. And it's like, it's almost like the message of this has been you put your head down, you work, you take it slow and then the no balls build. And it's like, but instead what people do is they don't put their head down. They don't take it slow. They make a giant snowball and then it just melts. And they like can't make the snowman. And it's like, it's like, just so it blows my mind that people won't listen to this process. And, and Vic, I think you did an amazing, amazing job explaining that. And as we are coming up on our time here, but I just wanted to say, you know, thank you for coming on. I think this is an episode that I feel like every new trader, I feel like new members should watch this over and over until they understand that there is a process, there is a path. And as long as you stick on that path, you're going to go down the profitable route. It's when you kind of diverge and like, fuck around. That's when you just, that's when you kick the can or whatever down the, down the road even further, just going to take longer and longer to catch up. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. I want to say one more thing about goals that, you know, kind of Harry put out there. Sure, have that, have that big picture, long-term goal. But in order to get to that goal, you need to have a path. You need to set yourself up with shorter term goals, smaller goals along the way in order to reach that bigger goal. So if your bigger goal is to, you know, replace your day job income at some point, right? And that's many new traders dream, right? They want to be able to walk away from their day job and have the freedom to be able to just trade, make money on their own and do their own thing. If that's your ultimate big goal, start out your first goal with just, if you're just starting out, I want to make sure that I have, I want to get to my first one full week of profitability. I have five green days in a row. Start there. And those five green days are just small, green, consistent days. Do that from there. Okay, now add on to that. I want to go from five green days to seven green days. And now I want to go to 10 green days. I helped a trader in the room. He's a super great guy, prior military. And I gave him some really good information that kind of clicked with him. It clicked with him. He put it to use immediately. And the last time I talked to him a few days ago, he was up 33 green days in a row. Jesus. Because he just took the information to heart. He applied it, paid attention, did the right things. And now he made 33 green fucking days in a row. And that's fucking huge for new guys who were previously struggling and just on that hump of crossing that to the other side of just being a little bit more consistent. And that consistency is going to carry you through. 50 bucks. I mean, look at what that's going to do. Right? Yeah. And that run true with him. That totally fucking made sense to him. He's like, yeah, you're fucking right. I just helped another trader. And once he saw, he told me what his max size was, 500 shares. So I traded with 500 shares and I showed him what was possible. And he's like, fuck dude. That's all I want to do right there. I'm like, it's, if you just take your time, trade. And then he sent me some charts yesterday. No shit. His trading is like night and fucking day. And all of a sudden he's, he's sized down, wide the stops a little bit, making better trades, taking profit. And it's just, it's starting to come together. And then that's how it begins. That is how it begins. And then you just keep building on that right there. Just keep building on the same fucking things, man. You know, when brick layers lay bricks, they don't go fine. 10 different fucking types of bricks to fucking lay. They lay the same fucking brick every goddamn day. And that same brick, they do the same thing every day. Same, same thing. I'm not going to lay bricks differently today because it's a different day. I'm gonna lay bricks the same way I did yesterday because it worked yesterday. And that's what people need to understand is keep following throughout the same shit. Yeah, I think that's a good quote and probably good one to kind of end it on James. I know James usually ends it. That was perfect. I love it. That was nice.