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And I'm the director of product featured in Forbes that also have helped 100 people land their dream PM job offer in fan companies in New York and continue to get promoted as a product leader. And if you're interested in product management course, feel free to go to PM accelerator, which is go to my website.com to learn more and we have different packages, different financing options for any possible people with any financing challenges. Feel free to go to our website and learn more and join our latest live masterclass with you to describe more details regarding who did we select to join the program. Awesome. So we're just everybody based right now. So I'm actually coming in from Miami and we moved from Boston to Miami in the winter. Now the summer moving back to Boston again. So with snow burning. So going back up to Boston in a few weeks. So actually very excited to see some mountains within too much beaches recently. And so summer is an exciting quest to make some changes. So come on the chat with your name where you're from and what you go for 2023. I love to see where you guys live as well. And so today we talked about good PM, bad PM, what skills you need to become a great plan manager. So let me bring on my deck. So the internet isn't very slow. Okay, I found it. Yeah, interesting to this and kind of very, very slow. I was like, slow loading. At the same time, let me plug in my headphone. So it's better. We have it here. Awesome. So let's do it. Let's do it. Hold on. See what was my slide deck. So let me share my slide deck. Then we can get started with today's good PM versus bad PM. Okay. Today, we'll talk about how to become a great PM and especially the differences between good PM and bad PM. There are several, six different elements which you want to cover between the good PM, bad PM, what people can do to become better PM. Okay. So now before I get started, we always love to share inspiring stories. And I do love to share a student of mine who is Juliet, which is with all the latest news, I really want to inspire everyone to feel like people can still land their dream job during a recession. Okay. And also in a short amount of time. So this student of mine, Ruiya, she was laid off. So she was laid off as a senior product owner on February 22nd. And by April 10th, which is about seven weeks after, and she landed a senior product manager job at a kill and also with much higher salary. So now let me break it down to you regarding what she did. And by the way, the new company she's about to join is very exciting. Has the 40 remote position perfect for new moms herself also have an eight months old baby. So very, very exciting for her. So the new company actually is the first FDA approved gaming company that helping kids to grow and come back addictions to different kind of like personal behaviors. So actually the concept for the company she's working for is super, super exciting. Actually, I believe there's a lots of like amazing mission behind it. But I really want to let you guys know, number one, how do people do it? And actually, we all know that lots of people were not able to land a job offer and after a very, very long time. Let me tell you what's going on and why and why not. Okay, so number one thing is, for example, she landed a job was in like seven weeks, how she did it is number one, she knew exactly her value value proposition. Okay, so she knew that fake companies are hiring right now. So she's talking to other companies who's offering remote PM job number one thing and number two thing, she also knows how to present herself very well in the interview. And number three, she knows how to leverage chat GBT to prepare interview much faster. Alright, so I have a chat GBT training in my inner circle and I believe you guys, lots of you guys, if you're part of my email list, you have been invited to the chat GBT training in the past. Okay, so you should have it already in your system. So I want you guys really to get ready for your any new amazing opportunities using like AI to speed up your study and learning process. Okay, so now I want you guys to to feel like you have your you have the confidence and the right skills being able to use the better methodology to land your job as well. Okay, so if you miss any of my live training regarding chat GBT, if you ever see any recordings or email my team, so actually I had a private training regarding chat GBT two months ago. Okay, cool. Alright, so anybody who's going out for interviews, so here's the latest news, very funny. Two days ago, I was invited to speak at Rice University for the MBA students. Their associate director told me that even chocolate company like Hershey's or oil gas companies like Shell Oil has also started interviewing case interviews, even if they are not a tech companies like chocolate company Hershey's, right? 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Okay, so now let's go over all the key inside regarding good PM and bad PM. So let's get started. Feel free to everyone put comment on in the chat. Are you already a PM? I want to learn if you're already a PM, that's a different story. Okay, and then we focus on more advanced concept for people who have no PM experience that's very different. So we will figure out what entry level PM, how would you become better? Okay, so comment on the chat already a PM. And also see lots of people join us. Yushi, how are you? You're from India. Eric, from US. Eric, I feel like I've seen your name multiple times. Did you join my YouTube live or LinkedIn live in the past? Cool. So we are actually live on both LinkedIn and YouTube right now. Cool. Yeah, come on the chat. Love to learn about you guys. Awesome. Awesome. Yes, we do. So recently, I was invited to speak on the Indian podcast called AJ podcast. He's my Royal YouTube follower. And he also invited me to speak on his podcast for Indian audience. Very, very excited to speak to them. And the podcast should be out soon. And once it's out, we'll let you guys know. Awesome. Cool. I see people. Stanisha said aspiring PM. Okay, so this means that we cover more entry level, how to become great PM. Is that a more advanced level today? Come on the chat. If most people are more entry level, we talk about entry level how to become great PM. Okay, so now let's see the votes we have here. And as we're going through the process and feel free to continue vote based on the entry level PM, aspiring PM, entry level or someone who's more senior PM already come on the chat. So, well, we'll take our talk to you guys at the same time. Let me tell you why it's quite important to bring up this topic. And there are huge differences between okay, PM or advanced level PM. This is crazy. This is what I see in real life because when I got exposure to interview the VP of product at Google and acts like a senior director product at Google, those kind of or like senior growth product manager, different like amazing companies. And I realized the big differences between how companies train, promote, and also select the best product leaders. And each company is a very different that leading to different kind of product success. So therefore I'm very determined to really tell you guys regarding the bigger differences between like how to like good PM, bad PM, how to become a great PM. So now let's define what is a good PM. Okay, so here is an important lesson I learned. The KPI of definition good PM is very different. For example, in Google, their definition good PM, which is someone who got promoted faster was in the company, is someone who launched more product Google success is based on Oh, this product team launched five products this year, or 20 products this year. So based on the number of product launches, which I believe is bad measurement. I don't think numbers matters. It's more about the product you launched is successful. Right. So number one thing for different company culture. Now, in contrast for Amazon, the other concept of six PM is very different. Amazon PM was measured by when you launch a product, was your product successful? Did you generate also revenue? Do you have lots of users? Do people continue using it? They really want to measure the end to end product management lifecycle to define a great product manager. So each company, they're all fan companies, but each company's definition of sex of a PM is very different, which lead to different lifestyle differences. All right. So therefore, in Amazon, I believe they have better products. So for example, Amazon is leading product, which AWS, Amazon Web Services, and Google also have a cloud product, but Google corporate is no mere as popular as AWS. Well, which also leads to the work by balance in Amazon is pretty bad. Relatively worse. Actually worse company was all the fan companies was because product managers on the high pressure to really create product actually generating revenue. Because building a product in my opinion, it's easy. You just know how to work with engineering team, have vision, and build it. But you build something, nobody buy it. That's a very different story. So which means that you need to know go to market strategy. Okay. So when Google hire product manager to hire people who knows how to code. So which means that one people to work closely with engineer. When Amazon hire product manager, they don't test your coding skills unless for special group, for example, for like AWS group, probably they will see if you have technical skills. But for majority of our manager will hire that Amazon is less likely they're going to test your very technical details. We got, hey, do you know how to code? But in real life at Amazon, we want to see if you know how to collaborate with other people cross one team, do you know how to tell story short, concisely. Yeah, the work balance is worse in Amazon high, high pressure, but the product deliver is much better. So that leading to me teaching all of you guys regarding first of all, my definition of great product manager and how to become a great product manager. Okay, so now let's go through this. So first of all, my definition great product manager is somebody was able to lead a team, have a great part of vision, and continue to bring the product to the hands of customers, and actually literally impact people's lives. And at the same time, how to become a product managers, how to become a great product manager is a following. Number one thing, you want to hit our goal of a great product manager, which is creating the product actually impact people's life. All the great product manager needs to do the following. Number one thing, great product manager need to have strong customer empathy. They need to understand what the purpose of creating an amazing product, and the purpose actually serving people's life, not serving executives and actually serving people's life, not just make your director happy, it's actually people who are ever using your product and actually start to change their lives. And for example, I mentor several startups through tech stars. One of the entrepreneur team is the two moms, they started a company, which is helping new mom to manage all the chaos of a newborn. So her product is actually growing significantly in the past two years, even if it's a startup, but all the features and apps, everything and loops very amazing. So her startup is actually impacting lots of moms' lives and impacting moms means impacting babies and also impacting husbands and everyone around it. So this is a definition of great product manager who is a customer centric, which now you go back to Amazon's mission. So Amazon 14 principles, one of the principles is customer centric. But if you go to Google, do you hear Google's mission is customer centric? What Google known for? No, Google is known for oh, we have advanced technology. We do self-driving car. They never really promote saying, oh, we're very customer centric. We think about Google, but when you think of Amazon, they make you very clear we're customer centric. This is number one thing on my 14 principles. Everyone needs to master. So therefore, I personally believe that Amazon is able to create better products than Google, personally speaking. Okay. So numbers, if you agree or disagree, comment on the chat. I'd love to learn from you guys. Okay. So number two thing, what great product manager needs to do is also how to become great product manager is a following. As a great product manager, people need to understand number one thing, number two, actually, number two thing. As a great product manager, you need to lead without authority. This is extremely important. So let me define lead without authority, which means that majority people, they do not report to you. You need to make sure people knows what's the best methodology to influence people such as align the vision, make them see the long-term roadmap, make them feel like they, whatever they do, have a real-life impact because engineers or designers, they're not there to get paid. I believe that some people are there to get paid, but you want to have all-star team, you want people to feel like, wow, I love going to work every single day. In order to feel like they go to work every single day, you need to make them feel, wow, whatever effort, 20 hours, 40 hours, 60 hours you put in to work is making a great impact. It's going to align some type of vision. Product manager need to be the quarterback of a football team, like Tom Brady. I live in New England, Boston for 11 years. Okay. I need to talk about Tom Brady, one of the best football players. Everyone Google him. But he was traded to Florida to Tampa Bowl. That's also one of the reasons I moved to Miami. Okay, Tom Brady. But anyway, so go back here. So great product manager in the quarterback of the team. You know what the story is tell. You know how the line of vision and the quarterback, the amazing quarterback knows, even if different team members had different strengths and weakness, but people really looking into the leadership of the great quarterback. So that's why amazing great product manager knows how to lead with our authority. Okay. Number three, what great product manager needs to do is actually the exact representation style. So let me define it. What do I mean by exact presentation, not probably speaking, two different things. The exact presentation is you need to tailor your talk track to the level of the audience you talk to. Let's say if you got opportunity talk to CEO, you only only only have one minute, maybe only 30 seconds to tell him what's the latest of your product. Seriously, this is like in real life, PCO, a very busy month probably running to CEO was outside of his bathroom. Seriously. And you walk with him from bathroom to his office and you have something to say that yeah yeah yeah that's one minute. That's only one minute time, maybe 30 seconds you need to report and tell the CEO what the best thing about the product you need to know. When you report to CEO, you can only talk about the impact of your product, the roadmap of your product and your contingency plan for any roadblocks. Not just any roadblocks, it's that I already have a plan ready. So currently we're following, we're launching this 5G edge product, which by the way the one I launched was two years ago, the first 5G edge computing product in the world, right? If I report this to my CEO, I will say the following. So within one minute or 30 seconds, say well, we are on track to launch the first 5G edge computing product in the world. And currently to accelerate the growth of the product, we're building it in collaboration with Amazon and Microsoft. And currently there's only one roadmap, a roadblock, which is, I made out something at the time there was no road, like whatever real roadblock, because we're already addressed. Let me make out some roadblocks. So right now we only have one roadblock, which is we're not able to access my army market. But we already have a backup plan, which is building like local teams to get closer to the governor to let them see how 5Gs and edge computing is going to impact people's lives in my army. So this is in control, we believe that we can still launch our product on time. Okay, so that's what CEO need to say, need to hear. So that's called executive presentation. Now let's talk about the next part, exact presentation. You also need to when you talk to director, director, you probably have half an hour to present something. We're talking about VP, probably only five minutes. So really depends on the levels. And each level you talk to, you need to tell them something very different. Okay, and then like, and also your peers, probably if you present your product to your peers, you probably have half an hour as well, right? Maybe have an hour up to one hour. So that is going to show your solid leadership. So within your product portfolio, they may not be working on your product, but they want to learn what they do with your product. That's when you show the impact you have made the customer empathy you have you have done. So people love your product. And in the past, I was invited by many sales teams to exactly briefing centers. So in the past, in Verizon, there's a special environment we built for executives, because we invite lots of executives like VP of product or CEO from management companies, even though you might be so you say, is it here to company Verizon? But it's not because all companies out there, they need to use our services or connectivity services. So we get access to all Fortune Finder companies. That's why we are able to collaborate with like Amazon, Microsoft, because we're working closer relationship with them, right? So frequently, they would invite C level people VP level people to our executive briefing center. In this case, they like to bring people in to do presentation to to those executives. And I was asked like, many, many times by sales team to do presentation, because the sales team know that they only they can only sell product, but they cannot present product better. So that's why they asked me to present what the product was impact we had to really build stronger relationship with other C level executives. Okay, this defined as executive presentation. So this is a great product manager needs to do because once you build a product, nobody heard about your product. That's a problem. Okay. Now, last one, final one, which is as a product manager, we need a great product manager also need to know how to do time management. Okay, time management. Raise your hand. I don't think I raise a hand. Do you feel if you're a product manager or aspiring product manager, like, do you feel you have lots of meetings every single day? Do you feel you have lots of meetings every single day? If so, how many hours or meetings you guys have come on the chat? How many hours or meetings you guys have? Okay, come on the chat. Let me tell you some numbers I heard from my students. Okay, I have 100 students and dream job offer in bank companies, you can start up many different type of companies out there. My student working for Microsoft Azure, which is also the cloud cloud product of Microsoft. She's working like, no, she has meetings of seven hours meetings every single day. It is crazy. It's long. Okay. I also have a student working for Meta. He also had almost seven hours meeting every single day. And the crazy thing about Meta was that they give you free lunch, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Think about this. If they give you dinner, what does this mean? Oh, if you work late, no problem. We give you food, feel free to work late. So frequency and Meta, I have student working there, by the way, they have meeting at six p.m. to seven p.m. all the time. It's a normal. It's normal to have six p.m. meeting until seven p.m. and Meta, which is so bad. Okay, which means that you get off, you maybe get off work at seven. That's, oh, I'm freaking hungry. Okay, no problem. I'll give you free food. And then you finish your food at eight. And then maybe, let me check some email in work until nine. This is pretty bad. Okay. I personally believe that that's, that's bad. Any company give you free food, watch out. The free food is not free. They're sucking your time and so out of it. But also think about myself as a new mom, my son is one and a half years old. If I had a six p.m. meeting and the finish at seven p.m., who is going to pick on my son from the daycare, my husband? Or do I have a stay-at-home husband? Or do people expect people working, women working for Meta have a stay-at-home husband? What if both of us have a job who's going to pick on my son if I have a six p.m. meeting? I think the culture of people sending out meeting late and having a crazy amount of meeting is incorrect. So therefore, knowing time management is very critical and important for all the product managers. Okay, so number one thing I want people to understand is great product manager, you need to really guard your time. What I suggest people to do is you should block your time every single day and brainstorming time for thinking time or even working time, which in terms of writing product requirement documentation, designing a roadmap, strategy thinking time. And you also need to know how to say no to meetings. You also know how to leverage other people to attend meetings so that you don't need to attend, but still get the same amount of information you need. Okay, I hope all of the guys can execute all four things I asked you to do will become great product manager. Okay, cool. All right. So come on the chat to have any questions. I believe I also have some pre-selected questions. My team, hold on for me one second. Oh, it's right here, right here. Feel free to put your questions on the chat. Let me see, do I have some pre-selected questions? I think I answered the question before. This one question right here. Everyone else feel free to put your questions in the chat. Okay, so someone asked how to position myself for international roles in product management. Actually, today I'm going to film a new video about it. Okay, so I assume what you mean is position yourself for international roles in product management means that you are working remotely for international company. For example, if you're based in the U.S., you want to work for London, you're based in London, you're working for U.S. company, you're based in Singapore, you work for U.S. companies or say international roles. I assume you mean that. Okay, so how to position yourself that way is the number one thing. If you want to work for different countries, you understand the country's culture and the hiring process. For example, I'm from China. The type of hiring process and also how Chinese company run product is very, very different from American company. You know what the American way to build product. And second, how people hire in U.S. is also very different. For example, in China, the resume talks exactly what you did in China with a picture. Sometimes they also put age in the U.S. We don't do pictures, we don't do age. We like see the impact you had. And lots of time nowadays also teach people to put a product portfolio as part of the growth and the demonstrate that you're able to do the job very well. Okay, now third thing to position yourself for international product manager is really understand. What's the most important tools for local product management roles for you to apply for to get access to those hybrid managers, those job openings. And each team, each country is very different. For example, in China, the tools for people in a job is very different compared with U.S. We mainly use then and indeed those kind of different tools you have and where you find hybrid managers is very different. It's completely, completely different. Okay, so yes, you can do the same as well. So that use the right tools and use the three steps to tell you you can, you can enter job internationally. Actually, I have a student in Thailand, then a job in the U.S., I'm a student in Singapore, then a job in the U.S. to say it's all very possible. You can do the same. Okay, cool. I believe keywords. We'll talk about, I believe, brother. What a PM you are? What is the difference of good PM? Oh, there's a good question. So I once once asked, what type of PM you are and what is the difference differentiated good PMs and the mediocre PM? What is seen the purpose of question? How would you answer? Oh, very good question. So how to answer is I already answered regarding good PM, bad PM, what the three things are four things called good PM needs to do. Okay. Now, the purpose of this question is that they want to see if your good PM, if you don't know the definition of good PM, you're in bad shape, very bad shape. Okay, so that's the reason. That's the reason. Okay, so understand your definition good PM, which is what I described earlier and also how you answer those questions. Also, I answered earlier. Just watch the replay. You missed the beginning. Okay. Catherine, how to join the PM a program? Yes. Join. Go to our master class. You will learn more here. Go to our master class, how to create a protocol in two weeks, even if you're layoff or have zero experience and come here, learn more about different packages, different kind of financing options we have for all of you guys. And you can learn more and also tell you what to do with that to join the program. Okay. So it's all here. Let me go back up. I use these keywords. We talk about the keywords already. I believe we cover all the pre-summit questions. Cool. Okay. Yes, I do have a separate course about PM a power scale how to become better PM go to my website a lot more. But here I want you to understand the definition of great PMs. Once you have the right mindset, you can start to improve yourself immediately. I'm also going to film more videos. Actually, today's video is I'm going to film every Wednesday, a few new YouTube videos is about today how to become a better PM. I think people need to understand the definition great PMs, what's going on, different companies. It's crazy. Okay. So lots of people just do the job, but the product is not getting used. Um, I think it's a misleading for lots of people who want to become a PM. Cool. Okay. So now, oh, I see lots of questions coming up. This is amazing. Okay. So I asked the Singaporean. Oh, hello. Are you from Singapore? My friend Chimani came from Singapore and she learned a job in the US as a girls product manager in Equonax, which is one of the largest cloud companies in the US. I'm very excited for her. By the way, she doesn't know cloud. I taught her how to talk about cloud because I work on edge computing, which is the new product with the cloud. So we know cloud very well, taught her how to talk about cloud stuff. Actually, we have two alumni, another student working for Equonax. It's also VP of product Equonax. So it's also advantage for her to join as well. Cool. Welcome. Welcome. Hibana, how do you get the developer to understand the value you're creating in having a product launches as early as possible? Oh, very good. Very good. Maybe I can maybe you should video about it. Yes. The way to do it is that you need to bring the developer early in the process as early as possible. They may not understand fully or they may not care about it to be frank. Because most of them are very nerdy and they work really long hours and they enjoy seeing it on a computer just to create an amazing code and get something done. That's amazing. It is amazing. People love it. So here's the thing. How to make them understand the vision as early as possible is sad. You can bring your software engineer in the customer interview. They can be a fly on the wall. They can listen to what customer said. They don't need to be fully rasp everything. But the gesture of inviting them to customer interview be a fly on the wall is going to help them significantly feel like, well, I was part of the team. I was part of the decision-making process. Now I know who is my customer. Even listen to the customer's face, voice, take a look at the face and listen to the voice. Understanding they're part of the decision-making process at the very beginning is going to empower them to do better. That's the way to get them early, which is inviting them to the customer interview process. Very good question. Oh, whoever finds this content very useful likes this video and also comment on the chat because I can make way more videos regarding how to become a great program manager just in comparison how to learn a job. Come on the chat. Let me know so I can find a balance. If most people still have trouble learning a job, I would just make more video about job hunting. But if you guys want to learn how to become a better PM, come on on the chat as well. So next question. What's more important when building a PM career, staying in the same domain such as B2B, healthcare, or staying in the same type of product such as mobile apps? Oh, very good question. So in order to develop a successful career as a program manager, I think people shouldn't just work on the same type of product. I personally disagree. If you want to do mobile apps, you do mobile apps forever. I personally disagree because the society is growing. For example, if you stay on mobile apps, well, you know, Web3 was very popular a year ago and right now is AI, right? So I believe the program manager need to learn different kind of new platforms so that you are up to date regarding new technology. Doesn't mean that you can jump all the time to be a friend. Doesn't mean that, oh, one day I do like mobile, so when crypto is hot, I jump to crypto, when AI is hot, I jump to no, no, no. What I mean is that if you get opportunity to advance to the next level, I will pick certain direction that I believe is going to have a bright future. For example, 10 years ago, mobile apps, I do any apps on cell phones, very popular, lots of startups, lots of like program managers start become mobile app program manager. Same as you are designer, they design mobile apps. But nowadays everybody has a mobile app, right? So it's outdated. So I would rather you say, what's the next important revolution for the industry? Could be self-driving car, could be AI, right? So I would choose between one of these two to focus, but I think AI is more popular now. There's like so funny. So notion, notion change the company name become notion AI. What a shameless move. They are not AI company. And then listen, there's some automation, what they did, there's some automation in terms of how the organization know, yeah, they have some automation, but they're no near a true AI company. Okay, now they even change the name to AI. Can you believe that one day I change my company name to become a PM accelerator become PM accelerator, AI, or like PM AI accelerator, whatever. It's like crazy just because they want to hop on the trend. I think it's a shameless move for some companies, even change the company name, you shouldn't, you can have a product. Okay, so for notion would do notes, organization productivity tools will also have AI empowered notes, you can have different name. All right, so name or product, but doesn't mean that the company name become AI, notion AI. So like last year or two years ago, crypto is very hot. So notion will become we are notion crypto, very shameless move. I don't think it's going to help the company branding in the long run. Crypto notion, AI notion, I think so stupid, I think stupid. Okay, so now, so now get back to here. So therefore I prefer product managers. So if you can, you know different new technology, but you can stay in the same domain so that you become a domain expert. For example, say B2B domain or healthcare domain, I think that's better to grow your career compared with staying in the same technology platform. I will switch technology, but the industry domain can stay there so that you can become the number one industry domain. But of course, product manager is also made a human heart. Sometimes you work on healthcare forever, you will feel bored and feel free to jump in the stream. I personally jumped in the truth all the time. I went through like healthcare, well, I'm not sorry, healthcare now. Tech seven engineer, I was in fashion industry, then we jump to all your guests and they jump to telecom, like, and then they jump to cloud, AI and cloud. My first product was AI product and then jump to cloud myself. And the jump is not because I don't like my job. And then a jump. The jump was because the company need to grow. In order to grow, we have a new product line. And then they bring the best product manager to grow the product line. So that's why I work on AI product in Verizon. Okay, so I want to work on edge computing, whoever want to work on this and select me to work on edge computing, which will launch the first 5G edge computing product in the world. So I believe that's a great way to grow our career. So see what's the best impact can create for the company. So that's the best way to do it. Okay. And that actually opened up lots of doors for me. So I can work for AI company, I can work for cloud company, and I can teach people how to do it as well. So actually it's a great opportunity for everyone. But I am against someone to stay within the same technology. So because technology keep on changing. Okay. And also again, shamelessly, Notion AI, shameless. I need to film a YouTube video about it. I think they're shameless. Yeah, I'm YouTube, I can say anything in my opinion is if you agree, you feel agree. Notion AI, change the company name to Notion AI, shameless. Come on the chat say yes. I think shameless. Why don't you change your company to Notion Crypto a year ago? So next question, can you become a manager from untraditional background? I feel like I do have some experience in leading with authority, customer empathy side, I work for retail, and is work value to go above and beyond. Management is essential for the work we do, and I don't work in data analysis, business analysis, or product design. Should I get a position in one of those before trying to get an APM position? Oh, very good. Okay. So, and make a very good question. If you feel like you already have the skills, I don't think you need to learn some, do some data or business analyst before you become a PM. If you can, for example, you can become retail e-commerce PM, because you understand customers, your very strong customer empathy, you know, how the company grow, their product base, you know, the GTM strategy, go-to-market strategy for retail companies, you're very qualified to become like e-commerce product manager, or creating any product for like retail customers, or retail stores, whatever, whatever different things that you can leverage your strengths, the keys leverage your strengths. I don't think you, you must do data analytics before you can become a product manager, especially any entry-level product manager. I think as you are qualified for entry-level product manager, that's how I see it. Of course, if you go for Google, as I said, if you listen to my beginning of my talk, I also, did I talk trash with different companies earlier today? I disagree about Google's definition of great product manager. Google's definition of great product manager is that someone who can launch as many products as possible, right? So, therefore, for Google, the one people who knows how to code to work for them as a product manager, I think it's wrong, right? So, but which means that if you want to work for Google, you learn how to code, but I think it's wrong. So, you don't need to work for Google, work for Amazon. Amazon is, it's more result-driven company. I like them better. Okay, even if it's a work-life balance, not as good as Google, but from product perspective, they're more successful. They have more, way more successful product, better reputation. Well, Google has Gmail, YouTube, they bought YouTube, by the way, they didn't create their own YouTube. They have Gmail, Google Maps, ads. What else is successful from Google? Seriously, cool. Team, how to practice executive presentation, knowing what information key for specific roles? Okay, so team care is how to do it. Okay, so you need to, like, watch what the executive is saying in a day-to-day basis. You need to watch, for example, I watch how my director presents. I watch how my VP of product presents. You need to watch people in general. And number two thing is that you need to take some public speaking classes. Okay, myself, I spent $8000 learning public speaking. I don't think people can do public speaking on their own, even if you watch other people. Watching other people gives you clue regarding what you need to do. But how to do it, you need a coach, especially public speaking. Who else out there who amazing public speaker never took any public speaking classes, just become amazing public speaker? Tell me the name. Nobody. Everyone who amazing that public speaking culture took some classes for public speaking, right? They also practice in different groups. They do combination of everything. But looking at how executives present is going to give you a clue. Oh, that's how they present. Oh, I need to achieve the same level, but without training, training on public speaking, I don't think you can. Okay, so therefore, understand how to do public speaking at the foundation and then say what you say for the executives, that's a combination of both. Okay. So, Axie, then based in New York now, very exciting. Thank you so much. Great night. All right. Great night. Someone in India. Remind me when people call Excel formula, algorithms, yes. Exactly. It's just formula. It's mathematical equation. Oh, it's algorithm, like AI, where notion where AI say shameless company. Yeah. So, Axie, how do you convince companies that you are a good fit? I did four years of B2B FinTech platform, but even in FinTech right now, people are very specific payment AI about the kind of experience. So, yes. So, now here's how you do it. First of all, let me tell you examples, right? You don't need exactly what they're looking for. It's about how you convince others you're better than others. And also, it's about how exactly you know how to do the job. For example, my student from Singapore, like Chamani, she from Singapore, she doesn't know cloud at all. Okay. You go to her LinkedIn. People inside PMS are there to know who they are and go to her LinkedIn. She's not a cloud person. When you see her recordings of joining the training with us, she asks lots of questions about cloud. When she asks those questions, oh my goodness, clearly you don't know cloud. She was like, yes, you're right. I don't know cloud. Is that not, let me train you on cloud. Okay. So, my point is, it's not true. You have to be like, oh, I know payment. So, if I don't know payment, I cannot become payment product manager. It's not true. Okay. So, the better way to really join different kind of companies is the following is that, hey, you need to show them that how your past skills can do the exact job you're going to do. For example, if you never work on payments, but you have work on like working with large corporations doing integration because payment looks like this kind of contract negotiation, different compliance, sending money between different places. So, if you know that, you need to verbally talk about the value you can add to the companies. Lots of people out there, you don't know your value. So, that's why when people ask you, oh, do you know work on payment before? You say no, so you're cut. Well, you work on payment. If you say, have you worked on payment before, you can say, well, I work on lots of functions that's very related to payment that achieve like great financial outcome. For example, I work on different things that that's the same thing as working on payment. I believe I can generate same kind of success for your company as well. So, really depends on how you package your experience. If you already have four years experience, still couldn't manage up, that's a problem because you don't know how these are stories. Okay. You should actually check out PMXR. We have lots of people like this, 30% of my students are already senior PM. They don't know how to get to the next level. So, like Ruya, she was also senior PM. She learned a job within seven weeks and her past job was in some virtual reality company, whatever. And now her new job, it was like healthcare gaming company, like something. It's basically very different. She's working with kids right now. Yes, you can. It's mobile packaging. Okay. And how you how you tell your body proper. Okay. Eric, thank you so much. It helps a lot. Eric, definitely look up retail, your comments, product, PM jobs. 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