 Now it should be working. Seriously, Linux Audio is quite something. Let's pick up my current live. Yes, that's me. Do you hear me now? Is there anybody out there who hears me? Hello? Hi. Do you hear me? Mic check? Can you just confirm that now it works? After recording a 10 minutes video and then realizing that Paul's audio was broken, can somebody... Yes, nice. Now what I'm going to do is get depressed. So now it should be working. I have just recorded a video of this one. Seriously, Linux Audio is quite something. I guess has no audio because it was broken. Yes, no audio whatsoever. I have to do it all over again. Let's pick up my current live. Yes, I'll do the video all over again. Doesn't matter. Anyway, let's finish setting up everything. Audio is low. Audio is low. Do you hear me now? Hello? Is there anybody out there who hears me? Let me just see if I can turn... Hello? To the maximum, I think. Hi. Hi. Do you hear me? Mic check? Can you just confirm that now it works? Test, test, after recording a 10 minutes video and then realizing that Paul's audio was broken. Hello everybody. Can somebody... Yes, nice. Now, what I'm going to do... There's my head in front of the chat. So, nice. Now it should be working. I have just recorded a video of this one. Seriously, this is a nice one. What do you think about the Layout Switcher Permit profiles like ZorinOS? I love them. I love them. It was broken. I would... Oh, you're right. Sorry about that. My bad. Sorry about that. The Layout Switcher from ZorinOS is quite something. I would love to have that. So, there's actually something similar to that in TheronOS. If you go check out TheronOS, it's a distro that you should really check out. And its developers sometimes also moderates these chats. And they do have a Layout Switcher, which is pretty nice. And I would like to see that upstreamed. I think they have tried. But there are some issues that they haven't managed to overcome yet. But yeah, I would totally love to have something like a Layout Switcher in KDE. Now, there is something like that already. Currently, global themes can have a layout. Which means that the store of global themes can have... You can install a global theme and only select to use its layout, to just switch to the layout of the global theme. So, there is something like that. But having a system setting section just for layouts, I would totally love it. I think there's some consensus of it. So, if somebody implemented it, we would happily accept it. But right now, nobody did it. Will anyone be forking the project and actively develop it? I don't think so, because if somebody has the time to continue on developing KDE LATEDOCK, then they would just continue LATEDOCK without having to fork it. Currently, LATEDOCK is unmaintained, which means that anybody can combine and keep on maintaining it. They don't particularly need any permission. So, there's no reason to fork it. However, that does require somebody to have enough knowledge about LATEDOCK to actually step up and continue maintaining it. LATEDOCK is a big and complex project. Now, it's actually a good example on why I don't want to add too many options on the default Plasma panel, because the more options you add, the more complex the code it is to maintain, and the harder it is for somebody new to step in and help out. There might be one day that I don't know. I'm no longer in KDE for any reason, could happen. And if that happens, I do not want a KDE Plasma panel to go unmaintained. I want it to be simple enough for anybody to be able to step in and continue working on it. As an example now, I'm not the only maintainer of the Plasma panel, so that's not going to happen for sure, but you got what I mean. Yes, very nice layout. Very nice layouts, that's what I was thinking. And XFC in Fedora has that. I didn't know that. That's a nice to know. State of Wiland and NVIDIA. Not only KDE in general, you're asking too much out of me. I know that there has been significant progress on KDE in particular about Wiland and NVIDIA. However, I do not actually have NVIDIA. I've never used NVIDIA, which means you're probably asking the wrong person. How's your experience with a completely touch experience? So, yeah. No, no, it is not currently a particularly fine experience. You should probably, if you're interested in something like that, try out maybe something like Plasma Mobile rather than Plasma Desktop. Although Plasma Desktop has made some significant improvements. Now, the keyboard has recently changed. Yeah, we now use the Mali keyboard, as you're pointing out in the comments. So that has changed. How much that will impact the reliability? I'm not sure, but the experience that we are getting, the code that we are getting through Plasma Mobile is benefiting in theory Plasma Desktop as well. So things are improving. But currently, if you want to have a touch-only experience, probably I would suggest to check out Plasma Mobile even if you are on a tablet. The current version of my KDE new is based on, come on, I keep on doing this. It's based on Ubuntu 20.04 and my system is up to date. Weird, you should have received the update on the bottom right corner of your installation. It's weird that you haven't. Make sure that everything is up to date, it seems like you've already done that. So you should be able to update to 20.04. I don't know what's up with that. Is KDE open to collaborating on theming with parties working on non-mage stream toolkits such as System76? I doubt that, but not because KDE isn't open in such thing, but rather because theming systems for these toolkits are so different from each other that trying to have good consistency between them is so tough. And we've seen that with JTK. GNOME does no effort whatsoever on making sure that QTE KDE apps look good in GNOME. We do, as KDE actually put a lot of effort into making sure that JTK apps used in KDE Plasma are consistent with the KDE Plasma design. And just that is a mess. Like, it's so tough and I guess that's also going on maintained. So the idea of doing that, not just for JTK, but also IST and AFL, that's simply not going to work. Two different of systems and too much work required. Doubt that. Excited to download a new KDE now. Go for it. Windows decorations have to rely on Aurora. Instead of native C++ decoration, they don't. You can write native C++ decorations. You can install them, nothing against that. The reason why so many third-party decorations are Aurora is that C++ code cannot be uploaded to the store.kd.org. So you cannot have a button that is like, install some C++ code because you would have to compile it and then that's a mess from a security point of view, if only. So you can have third-party decoration with C++ code, but you have to install them manually and that is why usually people don't write them. Same goes for the application style. Why don't we see more application styles? Because they all require C++ coding, which means that you cannot have a store from them that you can download from directly, which means that projects like Lightly have to be installed or compiled on your machine to actually use them. Can you try them a little keyboard on stream? I don't think I even have it. I'm not on a... There's probably some way to pop it up. I don't know how, though. No, I don't have my lit. Sorry. I don't remember how to install it, honestly. So let's switch to the next question. Can you make it like whenever a window is maximized a floating panel shifts towards the bottom instead of feeling empty space? I wish. I tried. I tried and failed. Let me actually show you. It's not like I didn't... I know that would be nice. It's not like I'm blind, but I failed. So this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, people complain, rightfully complaining. My last merger quest made the plasma desktop crash. So that's not exactly nice. Blah blah blah blah blah this one. Okay, so this one was my best attempt that I tried at Doing what you see the what you said so making sure that the panel deflots going on the bottom only and This was the result. Tell me if it's like That's just so bad So yeah, I failed maybe in the future right now. I found no way to do that Any plans to making KD easier to navigate just with a controller the spread plasma big screen is meant to address that Plasma big screen is designed to only be used with a controller I'll know it. We're talking about different things a controller. So like the video games ones Okay, no, I was thinking about our remote for some reason now a controller You Okay, that's kind of a tough question. I'm not sure There's a fortune to making sure that the whole UI of plasma desktop is navigable via Keyboard and that should help out with controllers as well. Also, there's you know The steam deck that helped out that technically has controllers So that should have helped out but totally not an expert on this Will KD focus on Android? No, not focus Android is one of the many ways we try to package and make sure our Applications are available in and some apps in Android are very successful like Krita as an example but Focusing like it's one of the ways we package applications We don't have a particularly particular focus on Android What is the current window version that the latest cadena is based on 22 dot zero four? Any plans to update the breeze to look more like add data for consistency? No What why no, no wait consistency is within a project. So Katie should be consistent in itself, but But at radar is something else. It's GNOME. It's them We don't it's not like we have to follow GNOME design guidelines be to be consistent We have our own design guidelines. We try to be consistent with ourselves If someone wanted to read the kd source code was the preliminary knowledge Requirement apart from knowing C++ and QT Nothing If you know C++ and QT and some QML, but that could be you know included in QT Then you can read it now It won't immediately be super easy to understand because you know, it's a complex large code base but You Understand it by actually reading the code going through it seeing how the various part works I've done some videos trying to explain like views Containments these kind of things if you know C++ and QT and QML you can start reading start making some knowledge It will take some time, but yeah No, never never tried Vim I'll never switch to it. Honestly some Have you taken a look to the classic window decorations? Yes, a brief look however personally I think that the bridge decorations are just perfect and I'm not going to switch away from them So I've looked at them and I said yeah, and then I switch back to brace I can manually set a border radius for the floating panel You have to edit the plasma theme I can show you So right now I'm picking the plasma theme which in your system will be under sure You know slash user slash sure slash plasma slash the desktop theme in my case it's caddy use sure Plasma Plasma And desktop theme default in your system will no okay default is the name of a breeze and then translucent as an example widgets the panel background this is panel background is the SVG that tells the panel how to be drawn and You can see here that you have these rounded corners. It's an SVG You just delete this and do whatever you want and This is gonna be your corner. So you just make the corner more rounded if you want that I meant for JDK, do I add the new look? Ah, okay, sorry Mm-hmm tough one. I don't know because the person that was maintaining Maintaining that Kind of got out of the kitty community. So I don't think so. I don't think anybody right now has time and skills to Put into that so I'm afraid not now and now and I understand what you meant the plasma API Is stable Yeah, it's stable We cannot make it make changes that Really should be stable Can you provide some links that tell otherwise because I really thought it was stable What's the future of Maui as part of plasma? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait a second plasma is caddy's desktop Maui and plasma have nothing to do with each other like nothing What they have in common is that they are both projects of caddy. There's caddy Caddy has inside of it plasma and caddy has inside of it Maui Plasma and Maui have nothing in common What is the future of Maui as part of caddy? Could be a question and the answer is I Have no clue whatsoever or go ask Maui I don't know they I guess they want to keep on being in caddy and Keep on developing their own applications And then also doing their own desktop, but not as part of caddy, you know Good question. I'm not sure. I'm not a known developer. You should Give it a shot And see what happens I'm not sure Any love for breeze dark breeze dark is nice. Come on. It's nice. It's it feels more Transparent and blurry compared to the light version. I like it. I don't use it Because I prefer light themes, but yeah Dark themes does not apply touch keyboard in plasma and Wayland Malit I guess Check out if there's a bug report about it if there isn't make one. I'm sure it's something that will be addressed Is there something like quick toggles for plasma? It is something that I want to implement and if you do want to see this implemented Oops Didn't mean that You do want to see this implemented quick toggles in plasma desktop You know what to do to be clear Maui apps in plasma instead of more desktop and Maui apps are currently not used in plasma desktop As far as I know some Maui apps are used in plasma mobile But plasma desktop As far as I know it doesn't use any Maui up and never will is it a good good idea to push features for There are some features that you will want to push for five dot 27 That we don't want people to wait for six to have Five dot 27 will be a longer term support version. So we need to make sure that we don't mess it up penguin K wins should be able to change work spaces separately then What do you mean change work spaces separately? I don't understand what you mean by that. Sorry You mean the right-click in the Right-clicking gear pops up Pops up the window with the tiling if you check my youtube channel I have done a video about a project whose name currently I forgot which does something Almost exactly like that. So check that out. Yes, there is a key wins script for that. So, yeah Yes, basically, I want to port quick toggles in plus mobile in plasma desktop. So that's my plan No, I then dancers. No, like those API's as far as I know Will remain private? Yes, but it's not the same thing What I'm planning to do with quick settings in the system tree will be much more powerful and Allow for many more options. Maybe not as visually pretty But it will be more powerful Kf5 and kdjr5 also become LTS As far as I know, we don't have Kd frameworks and the Kdjr long-term support versions as far as I know, that's not a thing and as far as I know Dancer is no, so I think not Hey, oh, I I choose the wrong title. I Choose the wrong title for this live stream. It was not KD developer developing KD. It was KD developer AMA Sorry about that wrong title Thanks, I Thought about you doing a stream recently, but I'm a work Yeah Are there any plans for redesigning dropping activities for six no Which doesn't mean that we wouldn't want to resign or drop activities Which doesn't mean that it won't happen that maybe something will happen before plasma six But currently there's no clear set plan for that It is something that we are discussing we would love something to change but of course that requires people to put in work and you know Not enough people not enough money not enough work Okay As far as I know, that's not coming as far as I know. That's not a feature. That's coming in KD plasma Sadly, how did I become a part of the KD theme? So I just started doing things That's the nice thing in order to become part of KD. You just start working on stuff and then you just Want just become a KD member I could be contributor if you just do things and nobody can stop you. So the first things I did was actually Some minor patches to make sure that the wording of some options were correct I think I have talked about this in some previous videos And then I've done some larger patches to make sure that the shadows looked good in the KD plasma theme Then I've changed some other things in the plasma theme and so on like I started from very small things And then grew up through bigger things and just started contributing. I Am currently on Wayland. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just dumb Have you taken a look today imagine styling Qt6 We do use nine patch images or radio But no, I have not heard of it that's actually Google that let me Google. What is the imagine style? Okay? It looks like what we're doing already. I need to yeah It really feels like what we're doing already. So I need to look more into it I don't think that's anything particularly New for and compared to what we are doing already is development of six already underway. So Currently we have KD frameworks six You can currently I think build a KD framework six I am not exactly sure right now where the code for that is if you search for KD frameworks six I'm sure you will find a lot of things about that once you have KD frameworks six Then you can start building plasma desktop six that uses KD frameworks six But that's gonna happen after 5.27. So currently there is no KD plasma six No code no development about that specifically because we need to wait first for KD frameworks six Can you set Windows meta key alone for other view? Probably how Good question No me. I think maybe not anymore Tough one Tough one you use to be able to do that by setting alt F1 as the shortcut, but now that has changed So I don't know anymore. I think maybe not And currently porting my app from KD. We just took you ML quick Well, I do still think it's the right thing to do. I already hate it Duty problems and discrepancies. Yeah, personally, I I I also have this hate and love relationship with QT quick and QML It's something that I like that I think makes development much easier at the same time It's kind of messy how they designed the language But I haven't seen how QML is in QD six yet. So maybe it has improved slightly. No, true What's the protocol if a long-term KD developer leaves we are sad Sadly, there's no protocol. That's the true answer And they leave then there's not there's no protocol currently in place That is something that need Graham wanted to address with his goal Automatize everything So maybe it's something that we'll soon get but currently no such thing Increase the volume sure test test test test test test test test This should be better now five to ten percent. I think I did more than that Where can I find small bug issues to fix and contribute? Usually we suggest starting off with the things that annoy you personally Don't go check on bugs and on invent invent is not meant for that You should check on bugsy life. You're interested. There are some easier Bugs to up there's there should be a list of junior jobs You can find this searching for KD junior jobs, but in general We generally suggest start with something that annoys you personally and it's a small paparazzi Not on githlab githlab. Nope use bugzilla not githlab for these kind of things KD is a community KD six doesn't exist. You're talking about plasma So the correct question is can when can we expect plasma six? The answer to that if you go to my channel and search for the last video I've done about KD plasma six I took about that in great length. So it's more precise that anything else in now But roughly one year from now When we land is fully ready We hope We land will be Ready for the vast majority of people one year from now in KD plasma. So Is there a base team for Qt6? No, not yet. You'll have to wait for the theming system to be updated to Qt6 I love the old desktop view. Could the old desktop grid view can be turned on in a Kiwin plugin The answer is Okay, so KD is not going to do that because the old desktop grid Was dropped for a reason and the reason is that that plugin that that yeah, that plugin was Mass to maintain So tough so KD is not going to bring it back even as an option now Nothing stops you as far as I know to port it back as a plugin It's not a plugin. It's an effect But you can add like effects if you want, of course, you have to compile and stuff you can see KD source Kiwin Kiwin asset, please Effects source effects These are all the Kiwin effects We should probably have a desktop view here. Yes you can just like Take take the code in this folder that was in the old KD plasma and Then kind of replace it with what you currently have now and then build everything. That's kind of the idea There's no clear documentation about this sadly because it's a very Because KD is not that good for documentation for its own its own developers This is something that's meant for KD developers really That is something we would like to see but again not easy to implement sadly If we if it was that easy, we would have done it already. I use Kate and console Because they are simple and powerful they do everything I want and they never let me down We have issues on the key repository, do we? Usually we use issues on invent just for internal organization, so not for bug reporting Maybe Yeah, this looks like This is internal organizations like developers talking to each other about the things that we should do You should not use this to report bugs or get an idea on what things are to fix in a product I think I'm gonna go now especially because I had recorded a video before this live stream for tomorrow and turns out That video has how do you broken so I have to do it again, so thanks everybody for following and You know if you'd like help me out developing KD plasma and everything with that donation. You've got links and such even in the description I think and I Don't know watch my videos. Thanks everybody for following along