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Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, January 26 2017 I'm Don Merritt scaring the crap out of Ethan Kane who is just sitting in his hotel room waiting for the show to start and suddenly We were here. How's it going? Justin Robert Young alongside? How are you my friend? Oh You know in solidarity with Ethan Kane I'm in a hotel room here in lovely San Antonio, Texas got a live show for night attack tonight and we'll be here for a big cacophony of Nerditry including oh Including what? sorry pack south and The Royal Rumble now the Royal Run so you're gonna be doing a Meetup right you're gonna be doing a live night attack You're gonna be hanging out with carbony and then Mike Newman and I'm kicking myself for not getting my stuff together again to pack south Well, you know, we're gonna do our best we're gonna do our best to survive But right now it's the tech news that needs delivery We are going to talk about Apple hiring Greg Duffy. If you don't know Greg Duffy He's the guy that made drop cam happen And then nest bought drop cam and then he didn't so much get along and sounded like so he left and now he's going to Apple to do something from within we'll talk about that in a little bit, but let's start off with the headlines Three days after Hugo Bara announced he was leaving Xiaomi Facebook announced it's hiring Hugo Bara to become vice president of virtual reality Leading all of Facebook's VR efforts, including Oculus Now I feel like wait a minute. I thought Oculus had a CEO Oculus did have a CEO until December when Brendan Arriba stepped down He didn't leave the company though. He is now in charge of facebook's pc-based VR efforts So not just Oculus, but all VR efforts. Elsewhere on the VR merry-go-round HTC's vice president of design Claude Zellweger who's worked on more than just VR He's worked on the phones too, but he also helped design the HTC Vive Tweeted that he's left HTC and is joining google's daydream VR project So the wheels of virtual reality spin around Justin Well, here's my question Is this the sign of a robust market? Exchanging pieces because there's more money here Or is this the sign of a declining market where people are trying to find gigs where they can with the biggest money targets Yeah, and and we don't mean to exaggerate how much we could tell about that question from two moves But let's look at the sure moves in the light of that question Hugo Bara was international evangelist for Xiaomi And uh, someone was trying to correct me the other day about pronunciation. So let me hear it again Xiaomi, okay, got it There we go. Uh That is not VR So this is a guy moving into the VR space. So that would seem to answer your question of ah, it's it's it's a boo It's a booming space. They're they're pulling people from other places. They are attracting talent. Yeah elsewhere. Yeah, Claude Zellweger was almost Well, it's hard to say He was mostly working on HTC Vive of late, but he probably would have also been working on other HTC things I would think maybe I don't know enough about him to say for certain He seems more I I'm going to call him a lateral move though. Like he's going from VR to VR Sure, but also how many headlines have you read on this show? Where HTC was mentioned in a positive note aside from the vibe Well, yeah, aside from the vibe, right? Aside from the vibe great design too bad. Nobody buys them. That's that's often what is said about HTC Yeah, this is a better phone. And maybe they didn't need to pay Robert Downey jr. 50 billion dollars for three ads, you know I uh, I think this is it's really interesting that Hugo Barra up and says, ah Health problems need to move back to Silicon Valley. And I think okay So he is not going to be anywhere for a while if he's got health problems a couple of days later he's he's actually at facebook and and Another way to go with this story is to note that not only did they seem to have poached Hugo Barra Which is a a bullish move But they're also consolidating Oculus into a larger facebook vr department The oculus is no longer a subsidiary like instagram that just goes and works on its own It feels like they're creating a facebook vr area Which It makes sense. I mean oculus has had a bit of a a a rough go of it, uh, you know since they got Acquired by facebook that they are not viewed as the sexiest player In in that space you now have on the triple a gaming end not only, uh, you know PSVR certainly making a lot of waves. You've got to wonder whether or not the rumored uh folding in of Oculus technology into Xboxes vr efforts will will be something that happens So and and in the pc space vive has kind of taken the lead in terms of the highest quality fidelity experience So I'm curious to see where facebook wants to go with this But uh, I I think for people who believe that Oculus kind of was the way and obviously it was the splashiest entrance with that big Kickstarter And and the acquisition, uh, I think that that this is More that the success that will come from those folks Will be facebook successes and not an oculus success And and just a corollary to what you're saying Interesting to see what is considered the better of the big headsets lose its design Mm-hmm The google translate app now lets you point your smartphone camera at a piece of uh at a piece of japanese text To have it instantly translated into english previously You had to snap a picture to get the translation The new feature uses word lens acquired when google bought quest digital in 2014 Now this part of the reason I included this today in the top stories is it's really cool Part of the reasons I included it was it's crazy how excited people get about japanese Uh, this is this is taking word lens and applying it to japanese and you can tell there's just so Many tech reporters out there who've been to japan and wanted this to happen Uh that they're they're like rushing to write about it now But it is really cool because it's one thing to recognize a roman alphabet Uh and translate it into another roman alphabet that that feels like like an easier thing to do It's another thing to look at the hiragana script or uh the the other script in japan And be able to turn those into a roman alphabet on the fly live You could do it before with a photo, but now it's just faster processing Well, and it's You know much like, you know the the the surreal like alphabet or anything You know, you are you are looking at something that does not familiar if you are not of that region No, there's there exactly there's there's just uh a greater need and also I think the larger story here is just How many more years do you think it will be until the regional Elements of language are about as much of an impediment as regional dialects are You know, I mean it's somebody from kentucky and somebody from new york can still understanding each other I mean will technology i've seen some people speculate technology will make it so that no one needs to learn foreign languages That will just all speak our own language And it will come out on the other side of whatever language the person we're talking to obviously we're far away from that now But these are little steps that that we're starting to get used to that, you know when you're in japan It's difficult to get around if you don't know a little bit about the language It's not impossible, especially in tokyo. They they do a lot to help non japanese speakers because they want the tourist industry But but you know the address system there is entirely different. Uh, there's three different writing systems Um, so yeah, it's this this is the kind of handy thing that's going to make a big difference Speaking of japan japan display aka jdi has unveiled a 5.5 inch bendable plastic lcd screen So there's two bendable plastic sheets and then the lcd in between it calls it full active flex Since japan displays supply screens to apple of course the speculation is that apple's next iphone could have a curved display It also supplies screens to Huawei so that could happen as well Full active flex isn't as bendable as samsung's oled screens, but it can wrap around the edge of a smartphone So like the samsung edge, uh, which we've had now for a while the iphone could have that little curve on the side jdi coo shuji aruga told the wall street journal mass production is planned from 2018 And we wouldn't do that without demand from our clients wink wink You know who our clients are Yeah, so this is coming and and this is how You know bit by bit There's this idea that the magic of an apple announcement had kind of been eroded that no longer where there's Fully formed the miracles, uh proud of you know the danced around for us And and this is part of it just because it's become such a gigantic business that now jdi Can say hey look we're a huge profitable business And we probably will be a huge a bigger even more profitable business over the next five years Because we're producing a lot of these things like this is it is in their best business interest to talk about How much they are making of this and also There is there is the fact that you know If if apple does it or if if huawei does it then there's going to be a larger demand for similar products I mean this is a very mature Smartphone market and monkey see monkey do The big test will be can jdi do oled can they do bendable oled screens? So far samsung is the only one who's been able to do that in any kind of affordable manner It's it's not a technology issue. It's an economics issue And they dominate that market. So don't don't get us wrong. This isn't jdi saying the next iphone will have a bendable oled screen Samsung's still going to have a big edge in that respect Indeed the wall street journal reports verizon ceo lull mcadam has made a preliminary approach to Charter about a possible acquisition. It's unclear if charter executives are interested Charter just merged with time Warner cable and changed the name of its combined cable service To spectrum At the same time AT&T announced a 2.7 percent decrease in consumer mobility wireless subscribers Their engagement or sorry their entertainment group saw net loss of 27,000 video subscribers Mostly coming from a strong decline in uverse customers overtaking growth among direct tv Subscribers they were also I believe 20,000 direct tv now Subscribers announced. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it was 200,000, right? Is that right 200,000 sorry 200,000 What what we're seeing is very interesting as the telcos have realized that they can't just get by on being telcos They want to diversify and they want to own things that go over the pipes Not just the pipes themselves and in fact in verizon's case, they've even divested themselves of some pipes They're like, we don't even want fios in certain states. We're going to sell that off to frontier But what they do want are regional cable monopolies And and in AT&T's case, it's not a monopoly. It's direct tv. That's a national service But it's a service that apparently is doing better than uverse in verizon's case They're saying well if AT&T is going to get time Warner, which by the way that acquisition has not been approved But it sounds like AT&T will get the company that has hbo If if they can pass regulatory approval verizon's like, well, we've got content We've got tech crunch and gadget huff poh, etc We need to have the distribution mechanism That is different than our own and and so we need to have charter Let's let's get that deal ride the the end of the tv wave on cable but have that isp From a consumer point of view This could be a good thing If we end up with several national competitors out of this rather than having all of these regional isps Because now the competitive advantage will be you're a verizon customer. You're an AT&T customer And no matter where you go, you are able to use us in mobility You're able to use us in your home and now they can kind of start to put together Bundles that people are actually still relevant for right, you know, they can say Mobility home cable right or whatever television service AT&T Obviously, they're willing to say all right. We'll direct tv or direct tv now Whatever you want. We'll deliver it to you over the internet. We'll send it over a satellite signal We can we can figure out how it is best for you ultimately This I mean if you look at being compared the question that we had before with the vr thing Are these moves being made by companies in Growing markets or in shrinking markets and now listen. These are gigantic behemoth companies So no one is suggesting that they are necessarily failing or any in any kind of danger But it is very interesting that a lot of these mergers are happening Faster and faster and faster because the ground beneath them is indeed shake And we have one person in the chat room who may or may not be involved in one of these companies We're talking about saying this is terrible for competition And in some respects it is right because it is consolidation on the other hand It's worse to have these companies getting content And then maybe favoring their content over their pipes than it is to to have Multiple nationwide competitors having charter as part of horizon isn't as good of a way to have Uh multiple nationwide competitors. I'm not going to try to pretend it isn't But I do like the idea of Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Google Quest, Frontier All having nationwide Presences and not all of them do at this point. Uh, in fact very few of them do But we should have we should not have cable monopolies anymore And and we are seeing them crumble now as as not only do they merge with each other But they start to get snapped up by bigger companies or in Comcast case Become a company where their profit is driven by NBC universal not by the cable company Yeah, yeah, and really it's it's what you hit on earlier. It's regional cable monopolies where now You know, you are restricting access and like locking in price by by way of two or three very very regional entities as opposed to national entities Which theoretically would be in a greater demand to compete on each other Yeah, guys, you know, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying don't worry folks Verizon buy and charter will be great for everybody There's there's a lot of downside to this, but I feel like everybody knows what the downside is, right? So we're trying to to take a look at the other part of it Another thing that I've been trying to take a look at is actual evidence of the effect of fake news And we finally have some two professors from one from nyu one from stanford They're both members of the national bureau of economic research published a working paper So this means it's not peer reviewed yet Uh, but they published a working paper on the effect of fake news on reader opinion Participants were asked now pay attention. I think this is really interesting Participants were asked whether they had heard of various pieces of news about the u.s presidential candidates And they did this back before the election in the fall the pieces fell into three categories So here are the three categories one a verified true story a story that nobody disputes like yes This is actually a true story a false report as identified by fact check Organizations like politifact snopes, etc And then a false report that they invented for the study that no one in the study could have ever heard about because they just made it up Right. This is not a story that was actually out there 15.3 Of the people they studied recalled seeing the actual fake news stories and 7.9 percent Saw and believed the fake news stories So a small percentage of people saw fake stuff and thought oh, I think that's real and This was on both sides of the eye. It was fake stuff about democrats fake stuff about republicans. However, yeah 14.1 percent reported having seen the reports Invented for the study so that they couldn't have seen these but they said oh, yeah, I saw that And 8.3 percent more than the people who said they believed the actual fake news 8.3 percent said they believed the invented stories The authors speculate That believers of fake reports do so because they fit their preconceptions not because they're actually fooled uh, I 150 percent Believe that that is is the case and I'm very very curious to dig more into exactly what the fake news was that they uh that they were putting out there because You know, I think that that's that that that is a huge element of this and there's a lot to learn because Ultimately as we have the ability to silo ourselves more and more and more A part of a balanced breakfast of dealing with any kind of news gathering is going to be understanding well What is this story? Why do I find it valuable and if I'm going to try to be critical about it What would I pick out? And this is before we even get to fake news because I think that that's something that you will be when you build up this muscle You will be better able to spot it but also just you know, where is Where is bias? Where is laziness? Where is all these other things? It's the same reason why I've been talking about this fake news thing in such kind of dismissive terms of terms and how much I think Facebook has put themselves in a very very a hard position by trying to be the arbiters of it There are so many elements that go into a bad Job of reporting the news including laziness including bias And we can all point to it when it's blown up in front of us It's harder for us to point to it when it a agrees with our personal worldview And b is innocuous enough to just sort of fly under the radar Yeah, now don't get me wrong further research needs to be done This particular study needs to be peer reviewed and see if there's any weaknesses in it But it does tend to indicate something that I perceived to be true So maybe the study's fake and I'm just following for the same thing. Who knows But I I perceive that Fake news didn't change a lot of minds It just helped people who wanted to wave a flag wave a flag But I see I told you that he was an alien from outer space. Here's the news to prove it Uh, I I have never been one who felt that the focus should be on fake news I do think that if there is a positive to come out of the whole sturm and drong about it Is that we have at the conversation about what is what is the you know Thing that gets us closer to the aim of objectivity because I don't believe objectivity is an attainable goal But I think it's one that you you can try to work for how do you look for bias? How do you eliminate bias? I think those are all laudable goals. I don't think it was such an acute issue though No Neither do I but if you disagree, please write tom emails about it Splitter is replacing its moments tab with one called explore Curated tweets still called moments will be part of the new tab But it will share space with with trending topics and search Well, this fixes everything doesn't it justin Hey Twitter twitter twitter twitter You you said just in our friend twitter here Because I love twitter you love twitter. We all love twitter twitter is Uh, just an indispensable part of my day and nothing would make me happier There are few social networks that I root harder for I am in the tank for twitter's success however This was very obviously moments was something that was kind of ill-fated from the second that it uh, It graced our official twitter apps, right? And now Explore is probably a better version of it But is it necessary enough to take one fifth of that bottom little Row there. I don't know and and more specifically It doesn't make a lot of sense to me When you have announced previously for over a year that live video is where the future of twitter is twitter's a video company Hey, nfl. We're willing to pay whatever you want So we can just get a little get our foot in the door for when you really start opening up larger media rights For online companies. That's what we want to get in line for and yet There's not an easy way for me to see what live video is on twitter right now Yeah, no, I I can't really dispute you on that I I know that they're looking at explore as a better way to surface that kind of live stuff But you are not with this change Putting people in the mindset of twitter is my live news place and that is what twitter is for most people It's your live news place and what I think you need Is a tab that's probably called live And you just pump it full of periscope when you're not streaming the nfl or an oscar red carpet Uh so that there's always something on And then you have a a tab called feed Which is your tweets that you follow and then you have the explore tab And that's where you have curated tweets that you don't follow necessarily and search and trending and all that sort of thing But explore while it's more useful than moments Doesn't fix the biggest problem Which is you're out there twitter trying to be the place that you go to watch live things happen And you're not doing anything to tell people you're the place to go to watch live things happen I mean, this is just I just feel like we're talking about our college friend Yeah, it's like, you know like listen. Yeah, sure. He got that d y five years ago And maybe he lost his job three years ago and you know He's a good guy though Feels like he fights with his wife a lot and it's like At some point we're just gonna have to admit that he has a drinking problem, right? Like it's just there's there's there's just There's so many of these kind of little like yeah, I could have done better could have done better sort of moments Yeah, go home twitter you're drunk To get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes You can also subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com and I highly encourage you to do show Meanwhile, that is a look at our top stories called them headlines earlier by accident headlines the whole different show So sources tell bloomberg that apple is about to join the partnership on ai That's a group that already includes people like amazon facebook and microsoft corporations are people So it's fine for me to say that it would be another step in opening up apples research to others Apple published its first ai paper december 22nd So there's one way that apple is starting to do something different. They're starting to participate in the ai community And if you don't realize this companies like google and amazon nibm and facebook they are very open open sourcing tools that they develop Publishing like crazy. Uh, so this is a step towards that for apple Apple also confirmed that they've hired drop cam founder greg duffy The information is uh got sources that say duffy may be leading a special project Operating like a startup within apple So I I don't want to make too much out of this Adjusting but it sounds like apple is starting to do some soul searching about what they are in one case Maybe we do need to be more open than traditionally We've been in a different industry and in the other case We need to have a space where people are free to invent and don't feel like They're slammed down by the way. We've always done things So this is Going to be an interesting conversation Because i'm curious to to to talk to you about how you understand and all of the time that you have done Every incarnation of these shows and i'm sure you've gotten countless emails from people at a you know a variety of the top You know tech companies around the world The way that in my conversation with apple employees the way that things seem to work is that there is a large set of Goals they have a tremendous roster of talent and the talent Although they all have their own lanes tend to become all hands on deck on the most profitable elements And that is something that they have taken a tremendous amount of pride in when when apple employees point to This is the difference in quality. This is the difference in experience. This is why that is it's because We make sure that every Different kind of element the engineers work with the software people and then they try to make the best possible experience this process One might argue Is something that might not have worked as well Currently as it might have in the past And the idea that now There is somebody who's kind of his own name Would come in and operate much like we've seen in other silicon valley companies A little bit Start-up-y, you know startups are exciting startups crash through walls startups hashtag disrupt things That that they would protect That little nucleus Is an interesting idea and ultimately the proof is going to be in the pudding If and when, you know, we got this hot new iPhone coming out We have all these different elements of apple that they want to continue to push forward Whether or not, you know, whatever duffy is working on winds up getting folded into something else One of the things that I've heard people criticize about apple Based on things that they have heard from insiders is that under tim cook Apple has become rigid. It's become streamlined But maybe in a way that eliminates some creativity And you're just part of a big machine that pumps out the things And you don't have and you know, it's real tempting to go well and steve jobs was there But steve jobs are no you don't have the visionaries That are allowed to roam around and raise pirate flags and start macintosh departments This great duffy it certainly sounds like what the information is saying based on their sources Is an attempt to inject a little bit of that spirit back in and duffy I you know, I had the pleasure of actually meeting him briefly when he came to twit Twit was using drop cams all the time before nest acquired drop cam I not only admired the product that he made I thought drop cam was fantastic, but I admired To it, which was a very traditional open web approach Uh, it's it's an approach that as we see more and more silos and worries about monetization You don't see as much it was hey, let's let's make a really good device that you are in control of as a consumer now that Is very different than the way apple does things Yeah, and and that intrigues me that apple would not only hire someone Like greg duffy, but also possibly be giving him the reins to be like, you know, we don't Forget our traditions disrupt us. I think that could prove to be an incredibly smart move Apple also traditionally has been You know when when when apple acquired beats It was a big deal Because the idea of apple acquiring Not only a fairly fully or definitely a fully formed profitable company That also had very big loud colorful personalities at the top of it Was not something that you would normally see a lot of the apple acquisitions that have been the most profitable for them have been smaller ideas that they have found a way to nurture And and and fold into other products and and become bigger than they would be including You know the the elements of the ipod and seri and stuff like that ios as well Yeah, uh stoic squirrel just said something in the chat room that caught my eye He says that's funny drop cam sells to nest which was started by a former apple employee, tony fidel And itself is sold to google and then drop cam owner regrets selling to nest and goes to apple Well and remember that it was a bit of an upset when google acquired nest because it seemed fade a complete That nest would wind up at apple because of uh Tony fidel right because of tony. Yeah, you know, so so although that wound up being a bit of a fraught marriage between Uh, you know the fidel and everyone by all accounts. Yeah Yeah So it's it's interesting. I mean, we've done certainly our fair share of of of tech executive carousel Today and it's not to say that I mean, who knows greg duffy might go to apple and In in in a very apple way work on something for five years and then have it just go away You know wind up doing another start Well, and it's interesting to me too that apple has been like we're gonna make a car At least that's the rumor we're gonna do ai and then they are certainly joining this consortium big projects This seems like they're saying, you know what? We don't have enough little projects We need somebody to come up and make some amazing little projects not not huge platforms that require tons and tons of staff and expertise I mean, and this was Just just to just to delve a little bit into what it what it's like to work at this field and talk to People that work at these companies and the rumors that you start to hear like not only was it that they were building a car But I heard You know one of the second hand friend of a friend my cousin worked at a place like they had prepared a stage So they could unveil dramatically the apple car That was the that was that was what I'm and that's just what you hear when you're just out Drinking with friends and people are who work at different places telling you different things that you know Who knows I guess is the larger thing There's obviously been an entire industry of tech podcasts and blogs that make their living on reporting apple rumors This is not a rumor. Duffy is definitely there but The world is better tech news is better Our our our entire ecosystem is richer When apple is creating really good products Uh, I think that I think that that's that that has been in the most fortuitous times in our Gadget tech industry apple being very very good Uh, has been good for everybody And I hate apple in which case send your emails to just Well, yeah, but even then it it I think Listen the iphone that there's there's no doubt that uh iphone and ios and android are are saying Angry fake news emails to me angry apple Justin robert young at gmail.com send your angry, uh, anti apple He must I mean listen. It's the same thing with the nicks and the cowboys, you know Like there's just the it's better when they're good and I hate so you can have a rivalry with other people You can have better when the yankees are good. 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She doesn't like it at all I'm not even joking about that I know you're not anybody who's ever met. I lean. You can just you can just hear it. I can hear it in her voice Uh, chris writes I saw this on lifehacker and wondered what your guys thoughts were It's a story about uh, some security researchers issuing the results of a scan of several popular android vpn apps Uh, it was a study by researchers from data 61 cs i ro uc berkeley University of north south wales or new south wales sydney and uc si so people who know what they're doing talking about android vpns that inject javascript for ads and tracking services thus making them less Secure than a vpn should be if you're relying on these vpns for security You're not getting what you're wanting out of them if you're relying on them simply for changing your location Then maybe you are But as far as what I think of them, uh, I think exactly what the lifehacker article here says which is You know vpm you should always research your security and find out about the company You're buying your security from to make sure that it has been vetted by lots of people Especially if it's one of if it's if it's a free one uh double double triple check So I am not surprised but it's good that some researchers have pointed out ones that you might want to avoid Uh, finally alan writes scott and roger discussed many services and their attempts at curation But one thing that wasn't mentioned was targeted advertising Which we were just talking about and has a javascript thing Targeted advertising alan says is another kind of curation It sounds like facebook is moving away from curation based on content to using location So in that new facebook news feed, it's a region rather than your own personal taste that that you'll see in the trending topic Advertising has long used location and demographics to target ads, especially on the internet I don't think service providers will succeed in targeting ads any more accurately than they have been able to curate content Yet many in tech seem to think that accurately targeting ads is inevitable Either way, it was an interesting and thoughtful episode and scott roger did a great job. I agree So the funny thing with advertising is that it doesn't necessarily need to work it needs to sell And and the best thing that you can do if you are inventing advertising tech Is inventing advertising that advertisers can grok and really want to get on in a major way or solves their problem I remember when I was first starting An independent blog along with andrew remain itrix.com, which was for magic Uh, you know retail. We thought we were so smart because we were going to bring impressions to to this antiquated world of of a very niche You know salesmanship and oh my lord Was it just an endless nightmare of explaining to people why they could refresh the page 10 times and not see their ad It was uh, you know, just just a headache. So yeah, you want to know what you're right A lot of this curation and stuff might not ultimately be the best thing But if it's the thing that sells it'll be the thing that we say Well, thank you. Justin robbie young uh for joining us today as always as we mentioned pax south live night attack What what all you got to tell people about? How about this 7 p.m? If you are in the san antonio area or you are already in town for pax Uh, then please head on over to the leap and lizard pub. We have a live night attack featuring not only myself and brian brushwood But also old pals omg chad johnson anthony carboni and Mikey newman who is bringing us A new quiz which will be super fun. We might do a little tag team action So go ahead and check it out. Uh, also at justin our young on twitter and snapchat Is where you can follow me and all the fun stuff we're doing both with pax and and the rest Man omg chad too. You got all star cast there. That's awesome. We do. We do. We're only missing you tommy I'm missing me too I wish I was there. 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Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover That was an excellent show man Oh, dude, thank you. Uh, so much a lot of stuff that I think is in our wheelhouse though Yeah, we had some we had some uh good fat pitches Yeah, no pitch with a pee with a pee Uh remind me the next time that we're actually talking off uh off there Reminding me to tell you about the uh the movie that brian and I invented on the way up, uh, but it involves it involves Words that sound like that in a in a g-rated film Whenever you guys do a little word dirty word play i'm i'm always impressed. It's always it's always a good time Uh, I'll tell you what my uh, my my my phone is dying though, so I'm gonna leave the title to you guys, uh But thank you so much. I love you both get to the sparkle pony. Wait, what is it called the dancing pony? The leaping lizard the leaping lizard No sparkle pony. All right, bye All right, bye No ponies no ponies allowed. No ponies were harmed in the making of this episode. All right. What do we got? All right, we got apple searching for its core Different uh think different is back faking fake news the wheels on the vr go round and round vr execs are moving in 360 degrees Japanese on demand All the news that's fit to fake Oh, wow, that's it. That's a pretty good one Apple chomping at its core. Oh is a new apple searching for its core. You said that one, right? Yeah And then the chopping is it yeah, I know the uh is a new apple blossoming Oh apple blossoms. Yeah Oh, I like another j martin's 140 characters of disappointment Actually like twitter had its moments too. That's that's well crafted That's moments, uh bobby for apple So that's like searching for bobby fischer Um life goes round around but the ending is not as bad. Well, I hope not Apple searching for its core is leading the pack by three I I actually like apple searching for its core. I think that's really good Do you have a do you have an alternative? um What's the one I Oh all the news that's fit to fake but the apple one is more cogent to the to the main topic. Yeah Yeah All the news that's fit to fake You know, it doesn't matter what you do. You can't inoculate people against Pig had to this No, and I would like to see more research on this because my two questions are one How many people actually believe this stuff and this if this research was Born out By other studies in peer review. It would seem that not many were but that's a quite I I'm I'm not Going to jump to conclusion that we know yet Uh, this this is just one working paper at this point. So we we need more. I would also like to see more uh Investigation of Was there an effect? Did let's say even only that percentage saw and believed false stories Did it change people's minds and and these guys Suppose that because of their invention thing, they're like, no, it doesn't seem like it changes people's minds People just look for things but I'd like to see more investigation of that Investigative reporting Well, no research Investigative researching Problem is people are trying to do investigative reporting for things that are science sometimes I'm investigating your science researching Guy correct Correct as usual king friday I wish it was right because then tomorrow would be disneyland Oh, yeah, I'm looking forward to that I want a churro I didn't realize it but disneyland has really good churros And I you know that seems like a very silly silly thing to to know but you know what kind of silly you you can judge a place by The confections that it offers. Well, not churros direct. Oh, yes, churros, but I always think of churros As something you get at the ballpark and they're always disappointing at the ballpark because they've been in that little thing They're stale and they're not they're not hot anymore. They're stale But the few times I've actually had a fresh churro. They are pretty good Yeah, and that's the thing like I got one from a dis one of those little carts and it was good It was like fresh now. I don't know if she just wheeled it out like yeah, were you just lucky? Yeah Because that's our beats per minute on this show. Do you think? Um, I don't know why the metadata is asking me for that today. I don't know what I did different Uh, is that from soundcloud? No, it's from audacity Huh, I've never seen uh, I guess 120 Beats. Yeah, I mean you could leave it blank. It's just I've never noticed that field I just oh ethan kane Wait double sure about tv the book Oh, that's very farm funnel cakes jam in 311 says I have not he judges restaurants by the country fried steak What if they do you just not eat at restaurants that don't serve country fried steak, which I would entirely respect Well, so there's a difference though because I I have a hard time eating at any diner Not just restaurant, but diner that doesn't serve chicken fried steak Which is slight variation on country fried steak, and I don't remember what it is Some to do with the gravy or the way it's cooked I was just imagining my favorite country fried steak, which I haven't had in forever Thread grill thread girls. I love that place. Oh, it's so good. I love their corn bread I didn't realize it was like normally when they give you like the because they just give it to you Like when you sit down like bread and they have a new location in downtown austin and I never ate there because I just wasn't sure it was going to be as good as the original but I hear it is Well, how many I thought I well when the last time I went there was more than one now Yeah, the last time I went there was when screen savers was on the road or whatever Austin and there was two at the time like two thread gills Yeah, there was there was the the original one in the one downtown. I think there's more than that now, maybe Well wabbit magic It's country fried steak different from chicken fried steak Well, it's both like the the tough portion, right? And then you just basically hammer it with a tenderizing mallet And then you coat it I think it's the batter. Maybe it's the batter Yeah, it could be the batter It's so good but After you eat one well at least after I eat one I I realize I shouldn't eat one for another year And then you normally don't I only have one or two a year It's how I keep my girlish figure Keeping your girlish figure you said yes It's not quite so much an hourglass is more of a grandfather clock So it's just a big straight bar. Yeah Which isn't too bad Trying to get down the spare tire to a mini spare To a doughnut. Yeah a little doughnut. I hate those worst thing that happen to cars Donuts. Oh, I know driven on one for any appreciable time. They're rotten It's like, uh, what happened is I think this is worse to driving on the flat Honestly, I think one of my most dangerous rides was driving from Greenville, Illinois to st. Louis on the doughnut of a rental car that You know busted And the rental agency was like, yeah, just put the doughnut on and drive it in and I'm like, I'm 60 miles away and they're like, well That's your problem So I I drove it 55 miles an hour because you're not supposed to drive 155 miles an hour on the doughnut And people were honking at me God you feel like a tool Yeah 55 is actually, you know the speed limit back then At certain parts of the but yeah Well, the thing is um, they're super hard. They're super stiff because they need to make it small But still support the weight of the car. Yeah Um, and I need to get one of these I need to get a compressor that I can power off the cigarette lighter because I have the Most holes you get in your tire You can are usually in the tread. So you get a basically a fixer, which looks like a The piece of rubber looks like a twizzler like a black twizzler and you shove it in and you kind of You pull the screw out or whatever that punctures the hole in the tread you shove it in there You twist in with the tool and then use the Inflator, which is I don't like the aerosol stuff, but like a little compressor Takes forever because it's like, you know five horsepower engine To turn it over but kv87 calls it too slow too furious You know, they should just I jeep egg asked if I had the hazards on I didn't at first because I was not Driving appreciably slow and in some cases driving the actual limit of speed So I didn't think I needed them but after a while of being honked at I put the hazards on even though I was going the speed limit It's hilarious They should just make run flats like just an option on any car. You want run flats with that? Yes Anyone fries with that? Yes Oh my kid loves fries. She loves fries. It's such a bad food for her to eat There's really no nutrition in it Not gonna lie Oh, but those mapo tofu fries over from that place in Monterey Park. Oh my god It's like the first real chinese food I've had since I moved down here like I could say hey, this is actually And it's not even real chinese food. It's like these weird confectionary items, but there's a good like a cafe style menu What did you think of pie and burger? Uh, it was okay Just okay The burger the burger is fine. It just wasn't I'll be honest the best burger I've ever had was that just for you And I didn't pie and burger you don't go to because the burger is the best it certainly is not It's a fine burger you go because they have good pie and good burger and that's all they do But the pie was the pie was definitely better than your average restaurant pie Yeah, I think I've been a little spoiled because I'm so used to the pies from uh uh, uh twin twin Twin hill, you know the one we always went to with uh, patrick and sarah Oh, yeah, okay They may I mean that's frozen apple pie like they may can they put the dough they stick in their fees or yes I don't like apple pies. So yeah, I don't have as fond of a memory of twin. Well, that's actually really like twin hills apple Apple butter though. I said apple pie. Oh my god. I just love apple pie I don't I love All other pies apple pie. I don't hate but it's like bottom of the list for me My rank would have to go top is strawberry rhubarb because I love strawberries high up there for me too And the chewy rhubarb and then because it's such a pain in the ass to bake rhubarb in the first place Because you have to do all the stuff to it to make it edible um And by stuff, I mean time put a lot of it to it. What's the other one? Uh I like good good cherry pie, but I like cherries. I love cherry pie. I think it's because berry pies of all sorts Um, I also like savory pies. I like I like shepherd's pie. Mm-hmm. Yeah, me too. I'm not as big on the um Was it minced meat said minced meat was I think cherry pie and pumpkin pie are my tops. Oh, you like time of year Oh, I love pumpkin Jen loves pumpkin pie. I'm very much on the I'll eat a slice and I don't ever have to eat it for another year Oh, no during the fall Pumpkin pie will edge to the top But the rest of the year cherry pie is at the top and then I like huckleberry blueberry Mixed berry. I like peach pie. Oh, I love peach All right, folks. I got to get out of here because I got to go record damn fine podcast with ron richards If you're into twin peaks, you should check it out damn fine excuse Exactly talk to you tomorrow. Goodbye