 Yeah, I'm just about to start the podcast. You have information. Hmm. I've been wondering why Construction hasn't started quite yet. What do you mean bigger and larger than what we first thought? There's absolutely no way it could be that big. What do you mean? They're gonna have to remove that This is a lot more insane. I'm about to start the podcast. I can't even listen right now Professional we are I think so guys new equipment new everything so we need your help How are things working? Am I loud am I quiet? Does Jacob look funny over there? It doesn't sound so bad though There is an echo Audio is perfect. That's from Anne. Yeah, okay slight echo. I do hear it though. I'm not gonna lie Okay, we'll turn our mics away from each other to the best of our ability This is good. This is new for us. So we have a learning curve There's like four mics to cameras for people is ridiculous. Yeah, there's a lot of equipment Brendan's Mike has a lot of echo How do I fix this? It didn't sound fine The last test sounded fine Who's the people on the left? That's a good question Okay Can we fix mine? Jake, I'm looking at you He's the microphone expert Nice break it Does this one still work? Okay, I think so Okay, Brendan is in a stadium. Maybe we need acoustic panels Lower your gain. Yeah Reverb I'll just point mine away from it. Maybe it was these ones Now that goes worse than you sound far away years We're gonna be fighting over the microphone now All right emergency backup plan. I mean that works now I get the cool mic and Brendan doesn't Like you're in a pipe Is it working now now? We're probably good Sure, hope so Remember the comments we see is like Perfect, okay, that's good. There we go. Okay. Okay. Yay. Yeah, you know, it's funny I was just bragging about my mic being better than you know, it's funny Look Jake, Jake Krega sounds perfect and now Brendan's it's your mic. I can't even I can't even my mic is the Best right I brought my mic I offered to bring my mic and Brendan's like no He's been like the last 30 minutes. My mic is we were making fun of him and he was taking it personally like he was gonna go home Okay There welcome to the podcast we have who are you? People don't know you Krega Christian. I'm Christian. What do you want to be referred to as this is 2024 It's gonna be Krega. Okay. There's an there's a new ish face Back there in my mind before I Wouldn't call him really since I was Kiefer or code blast on the internet and then ill Blondie hi, I'm blonde. My name is Jake. It doesn't get a mic anymore I'm really depressed about this it were it was I did one clip and it worked perfectly We changed I don't know what and then yeah everything broke We did a test run and it was everything worked perfectly and then we went we were about to go live three minutes before live And I tried telling them I was like, there's an echo. There's an echo and they're like, no it sounds perfect I'm like, trust me there's an echo. I think it's because when you're testing it wasn't loud enough, but it's all right We fixed it. Yeah, it's all good now the report or something. Who knows. Yeah, we'll figure it out for next time Alright, yeah, it is almost everywhere. That's crazy. Um, so in a second I at patreon's I see you chatting in patreon live chat on discord in a second when we switch over to some other things You guys will have access to type directly into the stream The patreon like a description. Yeah, I think yeah, we'll do it Also, can we get a round of applause for the new intro? What did everybody think of the new intro? Yeah, what does everyone think about the Leviathan one? I know Jake doesn't like I personally like the other one. Yeah He just likes to complain. That's all it's all it. You know what? Cool your hundas outside beat with a whole microphone today. Oh This is this is a house. Yeah, this is a house You think if you think amusement insiders can afford a studio now. This is our warehouse This is where we run. This is where we we spawn little Jacobs um But I'm really sad because there was supposed to be a really cool custom wallpaper. I thought he was gonna say There's supposed to be somebody else here and point at me So Surya is what's supposed to be here Surya will be here next week expecting like damn No, I'm sad about that too. You know No, but like I came up with a really cool wallpaper I think you guys are gonna like everything about the podcast is going to be themed to blueprints But it'll look better than this squiggly. Yeah, it's gonna look better than the squiggly line that I literally put up last night And if you can tell right here, I had trouble look where it goes behind that The extra extra light it looks like Millennium Force in the background There will be a behemoth in Yukon intro But yeah, it takes time and a lot of money But okay, how's everyone's week? Craig you have exciting news are we waiting for whose week oh us I thought you were waiting for the chat. I'm like whose response are we waiting for here? I'm getting a new car on Saturday. Hopefully depending on if mr. Insurance man did his thing and Other than that. I've been working like literally daily every single night this week. I've been in a truck at work What about you Brendan? Life's going good. I Mean like I've been busting my butt on this this channel. Hey, we were here. What night were we here? We were here till late one night setting this up when was that and what did you guys do that night? What did we do that night? It was like Tuesday. Okay, but what do we do? We said we set your podcast up. That's what we did What about the podcast did you say cuz I recall someone getting bored and then like I Told me to set up like the computer part of it while they're setting up all this stuff and I just started playing for tonight Yeah, and Brendan built these chairs by the way So if one of us falls honestly, that would make my there's a reason I don't have the podcast chair I don't think it can hold me. Don't think is a nice way of putting it. It'll be fine Thank you keeper. Someone here is to boost my confidence You should have seen how mine was before he fixed it Okay, so Oh Jake, how's your how's your week? We didn't ask them. I don't go to high school I'm in the year off and I'm doing nothing on a day-to-day basis. So you hear about it every day Yeah, he's always like VC and no one responds But now I'm I'm working nine to five pretty much every day. I've somehow managed to get yesterday and today off I don't know how what do you do for work now? I'm a technician at Can I even say where I work? Probably doesn't you I work at the Legoland Discovery Center as a technician for the Reds Geez look at you What a cool guy Like a teacher we we're gonna do games in our hangout streams. So we have like a little thing You should have seen how confused Brendan was setting that up. Yeah, I mean, it's an impressive company though Like I feel like I want to like high quality high quality invest in this company. They're going They're going place. They're going place. It really does look like a teacher All right, okay, so let's get into it. You guys aren't here to hear about our lives So let's start off light. I will tell you that the podcast is gonna obviously Episodes we're gonna start at one episode a week. Maybe there'll be more because I mean, there's a lot Hold on hold on hold on. We didn't put that in the contract. What do you mean? There's a contract? No There's a lot of stuff happening at the park I guess I want to start off the podcast. I'm looking at Jake right now. So Jake works at Wonderland So Jake can't partake in a lot of the conversations that are about the park That's why I don't deserve a mic anymore. Jake really enjoys his job And I promise Jake that we will protect Jake at all costs So Jake won't be discussing anything or revealing anything about his role But he can also confirm that ride operators and stuff like that don't know anything that's coming to the park They don't know any inside information. They literally are just there to work. So Yeah, Jake won't be talking about anything Wonderland like Inside information even about his ride or his job titles. He's just here to give his opinion. Hi You need better lighting Turn on the light. Are you joking me? You know what's set up in here? We literally have lights everywhere. We have studio lights shining on them and me Well, this one looks like somebody sat on it, but it's doing okay. Yeah It's probably you Craig. Oh, so Yeah, obviously we're gonna play around. This is a test stream, but let's get into it So for those of you that don't know even though I'm sure all of you know Yes, they can Nemesis this is slow motion by the way, this is not slow motion. We got into a huge debate So Craig was arguing that in the loop. I was like it's going through the loop so slow I'm burping um and I was like he's like it's slow motion. I was like it's not slow motion It's hang time as we call it in the thing, but let's go one by one Jake. What do you think about Nemesis? I'm glad it's operating again because I know the fans of all towers didn't like it when it wasn't operating, but it looks cool Kiefer I I think it looks pretty good. It's probably not as fast as it's going to be and I know the ride Did actually run faster before but it did have a little bit more hang time in the loop than most inverts do So I think it's gonna be a good Re-addition to the Alton Towers lineup Y'all are boring. Okay, so I think it looks really cool Is this the first coaster that have has had like custom decals put on it like this? Yeah, I think it's gotta be it has to be yeah Like I wouldn't be opposed to more parks doing stuff like this to their older attractions and even like upping their theming But this is an older attraction. So what even is this what's going on here? Nobody told me I just so yeah, Craig is like kind of it's a BNM invert so it's got to be good What happened to what do you mean it closed what so it like it did it reach the end of its service life What happened is this new track or they just repaint the track more or less It's all new track that they did all they kept was like the station the brake run track and then the lift hill That's the same thing they did to the Incredible Hall coaster at Islands of Adventure So they ripped out all the track and supports and redid it and they added more to add to the theming on it Look, it's not slow. The loop is definitely slow mo. It's not slow mo. It's just running slow because it's cold It's slow. Oh, live chats not working Or did it disappear it probably disappeared in a hundred percent disappear Okay, yeah, Craig, what do you think about this coaster? You don't know anything about again, it's a BNM invert So it's got to be great. I love the decals at least I mean that's pretty cool Also, what is this theme to because like look oh and that's awesome. That is absolutely awesome Basically an alien breaking out of its containment zone, right? And they have the height limit there too that they have to work around right so the fact that they put that in with such a that's cool It looks cool. I want to see a POV though at some point. Is it a new credit then? Is it a new credit? No, I personally don't think so. It's the same ride experience that was there before Is it the same experience? Well, they added slow motion to the loop so that's pretty cool That's like saying like retracking mind buster and wild beast is kind of making it a new credit. See I agree It's not a no incredible Hulk would not have been a new credit. No way Something like Kingsman and Drizly they even though they did a little bit of reprofiling. I don't think it's the same credit Anyways, who cares about the UK Hmm mind buster mind buster retracking Okay, so it's so funny if you guys remember I did my construction update I was like, I didn't see them ripping up any wood So maybe they're just doing like a steel track replacement I go to fly the drone the very next day and this is what it looked like In fact, it's even more so ripped up than not right there in front of you Actually, I just noticed the airtime moment over the bridge is ripped up as well But this is the double down the the like literally the most rough part the roughest part on mind buster So with a complete retracking I mean that could be pretty awesome Especially in the wet it okay. It could be like in a top three spot Just say top three. Yeah in the wet. Okay, but where do you rank you con in that top three? I Sort of you say for We said it was in the top three Okay, what is your top four now? I'm triggered. I haven't been on anything in so long. Let's see I honestly I put Leviathan behemoth Vortex is pretty good too. What? You're trying to trigger me right now. I do personally like vortex a lot. I love over you con Not on some days to be honest with you. So they're all panicking. They're like, he's gonna buy a rest on some days Also, what's better about this picture is I was there when he flew the drone I was shown this picture and I saw nothing wrong with the ride. Yeah, he literally was like, what are you seeing? Am I do not see no looks fine No, it looks good. What are your guys's opinions over there? Well, I'll tell you guys a little bit of a story. I took my mom to the park this past season and Right literally where they're retracking is where she got so badly hurt She did not want to look at that right over again. If I tried to drag her on it She would have killed me. It was that bad for her. She said it's the worst ride. She'd ever been on Sounds like every yeah, we did we sat in row like six or something Like second car wheel or a non-wheel seat Minebuster is lots of fun. I really like it at night But you know the the double down I always like I'd go and Brendan would be sitting beside me I just look at him and we So I think the microphone didn't pick that up The sound that Brendan makes on minebuster during this part And we always sit in a non-wheel seat. So like I couldn't imagine it on a wheel seat That's actually so true every time he always does that scream when you get to that part of the ride Yeah, he's always That is how you scream screen when he's almost about to get in a car crash in his car, you know Which is a day-to-day occurrence is no, I'm a good driver. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tick-tock. No, my car's automatic features. Yeah So Yeah, it's that scream that gets me but I think minebuster is fine if you ride it with a group of friends But by yourself I it deserves it if you were to ride it by yourself He said friends. What's it's like? What's it like to have I butchered that moving on? Yeah, did everyone give their opinion on minebuster ruin your you didn't I'm excited. I Just told everyone to not say that No, honestly, like this section needed it so badly like so badly it's the only section that needed it to be fair of the tunnel When you hit the tunnel that's awesome. Okay, that's our crap. That's part of the experience If it's not fun, you're supposed to be rattled around on that thing. It's not like we're riding Mystic Timbers Hey, what are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no, I didn't sign up to ride a ride That feels like you're hitting a wall then you don't go on a Go right behemoth it's next door as much fun as minebuster is it's gotten really bad and it really needs the serious retracking It's yeah I'm glad it's all seven layers instead of two layers. You know what it needs It needs to be torn down for a water park expansion agreed I'm not saying it's not happening Yeah, the tunnel is so loud. It's crazy. The tunnel is loud. That's one of the best parts. Yeah, except for when like, you know a wobb of Human whatever goes flying by your head. Oh From the Vaughn teenagers Long as Brendan doesn't sit on the inside seats. You should be good I'm like the skinniest one in this friend group. So The poor divider that has to deal with that on the seats Like Ben Okay, are we ready to move on is everyone said everything Everyone's down on minebuster. Yeah, I think so snooze fast Can't see it yet. They're nice. Oh, okay So I paid a lot of money to have there was this really good-looking person in the industry that knows how to draw up Renderings of what you know projects are gonna look like and this person drew us this front gate Example so on the screen You paid a lot of money for that drawing You didn't get the joke that's me. Oh I said a good-looking person. Oh, you should have put in that was me. I'm just brain dead. Yeah, it's okay I'm sitting there like he's telling us that he paid a lot of money for that. It looks like it looks like you drew it. I Get why you would Spend money getting everything done. There's no way you spent money and you're like, yeah, that's good Okay, so I'll explain it red is the path yellow is the queue lines black is the security checkpoint the green dots are gonna be like these little electronic sections self-serve kiosks Electronic sections the blue arrows. I think will be exit only areas green will lead into the new entrance black is the new merch store Which might actually be an exit only Proguts game People are still talking about mine busters. I go back to it. No Was made in a few minutes it literally was made in a few minutes. I don't even doubt it Like that's Microsoft paint right there yellow The building that I highlighted in yellow. They are gutting it and moving everything out of it So I'm not quite sure what's going on there yet and the sign is still up What do you what Krega think about the front gate Renault? What do you think they should do with the front gate Renault? I don't need your mic. I got my own mic. I'm gonna steal it from you I mean if I remember going to To be fair we went to the was in New Jersey six flags That one didn't have a very nice front gate either, but cedar point had a pretty nice front gate anything in terms of that sort Of modern style I'd be more than happy with to be honest with you like our front gate looks old It looks like a day at the park open still from 1981 Maybe they changed the light bulbs inside the Canada's one. It may be I couldn't even confirm that and that's about it It doesn't look like it ain't it once it's crack So I personally think they have to change the sign because I looked at it actually gesture in winter fast and it was cracking That's just that's the paint separating from the yeah, but like I feel like a park like Wonderland shouldn't have that Yeah, I know it should be switched Especially if that gets lit up you'd see the cracks like yeah, yeah at night. You see it. It wouldn't look good What do you think Kiefer I know I did that on purpose No, I think they really need to improve the guest flow it takes way too long to get into the park these days Like even during winterfest I waited half an hour to get in when it should have taken five minutes It was kind of ridiculous. Yeah, and it wasn't that busy either The stream deck scares me I'm not used to these things so cool. I wish you could see what's going on But I'm scared if I move it I'm gonna ruin everything So I want to answer a quick patreon question someone says that's what I was looking for Why do you think we're getting a new main merch store or merch our merch is I'm gonna touch on very shortly So we're gonna go through everything and then it's gonna start so again what we're talking about right now Isn't even beginning the topic so my seven-day videos that I stopped for this podcast is Because I'd rather do it on the podcast. I'm gonna What was that noise? Oh? I'm gonna reveal some really big information that I learned Online and that is going to start almost like a seven-part series on the podcast About what's happening at Wonderland because it's big but Jake, what do you think about front gate right now? I'm glad it's being done previously. I've seen lines that go all the way to Lake behemoth and Kingswood area Especially during COVID but that was COVID but now these days It still sometimes goes down to that spot especially at 10 a.m. You know you're riding Leviathan right in the morning You see like first couple chains of the day you see a huge line at the front It should be everybody's just flowing in but We'll see what happens. I Mean this is exciting in itself. So I'm gonna explain to you guys what those yellow lines are so essentially the yellow lines Are those new security systems that they tested out they had to so keep that in mind. They had two Scanners starting in what was it? Lates a mid-summer late summer. I can't remember when they put them in the park was able to decently handle crowds with just those two so imagine those scanners in Increments of ten so the math I've done is either eight or ten. Okay. It's hard to see from so far away on the drone So imagine eight or ten of those things now and I Think it's it's gonna help greatly I if they are bringing these scanners that I think they have those green dots if they're bringing the system that I think they're Bringing then you'll be able to walk up to these machines scan the new app with your barcode of your season pass Print out whatever you need to print out or be able to print your own season pass Whatever you need to do kind of like print your daily tickets there as well and go in through the gate So everything's gonna be a little more automated if that's the case Brilliant, but I'm not sure yet if that's actually what's happening. So Yeah, this is this is very last minute I was really surprised when the park even confirmed to me that this like they were doing a front gate upgrade Is the words they used for me and that they couldn't Reveal any more information at the moment, but yeah Keeper did you go? Yeah, I just want to add something. I think they like for busier days where you have the exit kind of Listed there. I feel like they're gonna also have temporary metal detectors or something They could bring out to add more gas flow into the area and they could also start doing it before park open Like maybe a half hour to an hour before so as soon as the park's ready to go It's just scan scan scan and you're in yeah, and they it'll give them more time to in the morning Instead of flooding the front gate area inside the park. They could open it closer to 10 when they do open Giving more cars and stuff that are driving through and whatnot some time to get by Yeah, yeah, even that system we have now with the gate is it's fine. It works pretty well It's just if that was actually done professionally. I feel like it would be very very efficient. Yeah, again It's only like it's a gate that opens up It was not done properly But imagine I've like ten gates that open up like that with people just being able to walk right through you get Told go or don't go and that's it. Yeah, you know how quick and easy that is If you don't go over here, so I can't see why Cedar Fair isn't going to implement these self-service stuff because our labor is Really expensive as a part Yeah, what's minimum wage here right now 1650 an hour. I'm not saying that people don't deserve that But what I'm saying is from the business perspective, you know on the conference calls and all that they're like all labor Is high and all that so yeah Definitely I see Them moving more towards self check-in and all that kind of stuff one more thing Brendan Yep, they did mention the prestige pass with the front gate thing. Do you want to talk about that? So the prestige pass will have a separate entrance for the first two hours of the day And that's all we know so far And If I know Wonderland, they will somehow drop the ball on that no offense Previously they had done if you had like a Platinum pass and all season fast lane or fast lane for the day And you had a separate entrance and then they just stopped doing it out of nowhere I think that lasted what a month and a half or something. Yeah, that was it That is actually a very good point. Yeah, I should answer that. Oh, I don't have an answer Like a theory Yeah, that's what I mean, what's a moment? I mean, I don't know how other parks do it. It's unfortunate, but like I don't know Yeah Well, yeah, it also doesn't help ours is just very understaffed there's like one person that's there on the outside and one person That's there on the inside Convair Bell Okay, I guess that's it for front gate like this is a developing thing and they hired a Really expensive company to do this by the way, they didn't just hire some nonchalant company They hired the company that has built 80% of Universal Studios's attraction Oh, sorry hotels and Universal Studios wizarding world of Harry Potter. So a very big name Um, all right datums and mountain talk. What is it? Datums are like almost like a measurement. It's an important measurement of elevation For example, they didn't even use datums on Yukon striker and which is shocking because it had a tunnel The only time they've used datums is for behemoth because of where it was located and Now this mountain This is a file that I have been given access to and I have put my logo on it just so other people don't use it and It is very telling Is it all the information is covered by your logo? No, the information that I cut the things I covered with my logo. Yeah, it's right here They can't see my mouse, but it's right there. That's the man is the mountain right there So yeah, they can see it Um, I Am I'm starting to get really curious about something so Can you guys go over what your opinions on the mountain just the mountain being Constructed like whatever they're about to do the mountain for a coaster. What are your opinions on it? I need to figure out how to word something before I say it because I have to be really careful All right Well, if you think back to Yukon striker How did they build the tunnel they built the tunnel first then they put the track in then they put the top of the tunnel The thing is the mountain already exists. It's an existing structure So if they were to put track inside of the mountain They'd have to tear off a lot of it put the track inside of the mountain and then put the mountain back together And hopefully it looks the same if they were to do something like that Yeah, and the mountain is old. It's well like 45 years old now close to that something like that Yeah, I guess with the park being under construction Defer I Don't know. I think you touched on it pretty well. It's a really old concrete structure. They're gonna have to do something eventually to update it and Why not start now if they want to build a new coaster instead of just making little patches here and there whenever there's like a leak or something or Concrete that falls off or whatever The mountain also wasn't designed for it so they're gonna have to redo a lot of structuring on the inside you might not see Can they even do that while the mountains still enclosed? We don't know so there'd probably be a lot of changes coming in the long run For what's going on at the mountain? Well, that was touched on pretty well What if you didn't give your opinion they just they just talked about it for me, but we gave his opinion for him Yeah, they did wait they can't hear someone. I can't okay. They can hear everyone Are you muted? Okay, we're good. Um, oh boy Okay, so this is a really tough subject for me to talk on because truthfully I Accidentally stumbled upon something that I shouldn't have stumbled upon and it was it was public information that is no longer public it was on a site that is public and It was a complete portfolio of past rides that this company has done And future rides that this company is working on including top-thrilled to Which obviously confirmed to me a couple of things and Obviously confirmed to me the type of roller coaster that they're gonna go with and the location of the roller coaster they're gonna go with and then Interestingly enough after that was found datum started popping up in the area of the mountain and I am really struggling to figure out how to word this so basically There's another really big subject that's about to come right after this slide, but essentially it looks like Wonderland has hired a design firm a third-party design firm to completely build a storyline for this coaster and area and completely theme this coaster and area with on-board audio sound effects tunnels theming and everything and What was interesting is everything seemed concrete and then suddenly Surveying started again. So surveying had already happened in this area and This is where things get really confusing because construction was supposed to start The last week of December and then it got pushed a second week in January and then now it's pushed back even more now When I've talked to people in the industry It could be for two reasons I have seen evidence that moose horn falls is being rushed and the front gate is being rushed There's a really big team working on it. So obviously this team is going to be the same team working on the Launch coaster so I can confirm that it looks like Wonderland is going to a hundred percent be moving forward with a launch coaster in the mountain area and The company that is working on front gate is going to be working on the launch coaster the from what I gather So far and there is a lot of missing information because it does look like something's changed and I don't know what has changed exactly yet Again, the potto land and the salad coaster is pretty confirmed but It almost looks like this coaster is going to take up a much larger plot of land than originally expected and what scares me about that is This was supposed to be a 2025 coaster and there's still a really good chance. It's for 2025 But the surveying still taking place if it's for the coaster is Concerning because that means they're still on the drawing board and That shouldn't be the case now I have the luxury of having people in the industry to talk to and this isn't BS anyone who knows me knows this to be true and I've been told two things. I've been told that This could be for several reasons. So they went there is a team working inside the mountain by the way So basically they could have been working in there building something and then they realized and which happens sometimes Hey, this structure can't support this or this isn't going to work. We need to go back to the drawing board for this specific plot of land So that could be it It could also be for a completely different project, which is true It could just be a different project in that area Or it could be that they decided the wing coaster was too complicated to do launching into the mountain and fit and all this and they are now going with a different model and I Have been told that yes Time-wise it's difficult But if Wonderland wanted to and the company wanted to they could still design a coaster and have it built for 2025 So when it comes to the coaster in this specific plot of land, I don't know why Things are happening the way they're happening right now But I will say from everyone I've talked to It's really interesting and I want to explain more specifically the datums. Sorry. Am I boring everyone? I just like I have to be really careful about how I word things just because Again like I do Want to respect the park to a certain extent and I like to talk about the future of the park But I like to talk about it in a respectful way that isn't necessarily full on leaking things but Essentially like the datums are really interesting because those datums were done for demolition purposes and It's Thunder Runs exit So that's why it changes a few things and I what I wanted to stress about this is it looks like the mountain And I feel weird talking about this before the next slide But it looks like the mountain might be receiving a complete overhaul as a whole Which would be really exciting so Your voice was starting to echo a tiny bit Brendan Yeah, I might have turned towards you. Yeah, so basically That's what I'll say about the mountain for now I will say that when I flew today, they are still surveying in The location of this wing coaster or invert or different model So it's really interesting because it almost seems like they're surveying on the daily What are you doing over there? Oh I Brough so So basically that's what I'll say about that right now the next slide is Literally the beginning so you're gonna see content is gonna change I Wouldn't say content is gonna change you're gonna see the storyline I Discussed on Wonderland is going to change because I found something in complete public eye About some really big information and I've spoken to a couple people in the industry about this and this is almost a first That it's that has happened at least in the Cedar Fair chain. So I did everyone talk about The markings and the mountain and all that and what like anyone have any thoughts about surveying Get your dose we've seen a lot of Survey markings around the like thunder and exit And a few popped up on the fly. That's all I gotta say. Yeah. Yeah, so like that's a whole different subject That's alpine So Wonderland has some pretty cool plans for alpine from what I understand and they've confirmed some of them actually The Thunder Run renovation or re-enhancement of their theming has been confirmed by the park itself No, I think for Thunder Run mainly it's if they're doing something to the mountain They could be trying to rebuild it like from the inside without destroying the exterior structure, but I don't think so Nothing's impossible with construction But anyway, like if they have to retool and like reset up the structure of the mountain That's probably why they'd have to relocate things. It feels so weird not looking at you when you're talking. I feel so disrespectful We can see them crystal clear. We just need to transparent. I can see you guys through the camera But it's like we're so far apart We just need to transparent monitors we can see Brendan. Yeah. Oh, I thought you guys knew yes Thunder Run will be getting a theming overhaul from what I understand again things change again For example Yukon Stryker was supposed to be built in 2016 So things change and they can change very last minute They even started construction on Yukon Stryker and then things changed And I will tell you the minute I go to this next slide. I think you guys aren't ready for this I know my patreon's know this information already But I have not made a video about this yet because it has been I even I've just to put in perspective I messaged the park asking about this so obviously Nothing got back about it, but You know what it is. It's every time I unmute my mic Is it I think that's what it is. Yes. Oh when you want your mic It affects your it's why they every time I've unmuted it. There's been a comment saying that echoes. Okay, so maybe Okay, is it working now We'll test test test. Yeah, hello Okay Well, if you keep doing it's gonna affect it Cargo should move his mic closer to him the the mic quality is good. Okay, perfect Oh when I look that way, that's true this unmuted, okay, and you keep your eyes that way So awkward being in a podcast room and like not looking at anyone everybody on the screen and look he's got his own little screen over there They're happy. They can see us. I can see Jake eye-to-eye, so I'm personally happy anyway Syria Syria will be on the next episode. He was supposed to be here today. He's just taking a day Rest don't worry Let's go to the did anyone have anything else to say about the mountain Thunder Run even Thunder Runs renovation like yay Echoes are not noticeable No, you're not Okay, um, I want to point it away from you. Yeah pointed away from me. Okay, perfect. Maybe like this would be better Any talk and update on Herman that I don't know but I have a feeling they would upgrade it If I'm to guess, okay This is wonderland. This is part of it. This is wonderland trademarking Canada's wonderland And wonderland for hotel restaurant services and hotel services Um So this was a find that I found and messaged wonderland right away Um And they had no comment on it, of course And then I found something even juicier so It appears And take this with a grain of salt and I'm going to use the word it appears um That wonderland itself has taken out a large-scale loan um and put up uh, Canada's wonderland And wonderland as collateral their trademark so Collateral is a big word um This is the first time we've seen something like this happen in the cedar fair chain and it was really confusing because rides and obviously restaurants and stuff like that are under um cedar fair's normal budget And then it was brought to my attention. I started talking to some people in the industry um that a hotel Or a mountain refurb Wouldn't be under cedar fair's normal budget And that for such a park like canada's wonderland where a mountain would need such refurbishments In a large scale or a hotel They would have to take it alone, uh, essentially to cover that Uh, so I thought that was really interesting. So I don't have any information on the size of the loan Um, but for them to put their trademarks up as collateral um, it is uh I could explain collateral as if I was five Essentially if wonderland doesn't pay their loan they lose the name canada's wonderland and wonderland Um But wonderland's a park that would never default on their loan. I can promise you that they'd have to really mess up um It's odd on who's backing the loan. I agree. So Jim is someone I actually spoke to so, um Essentially, um I can't even remember the the bank name on the top of my head now It's a it's a big american bank one of their main banks Chasing chase. Yeah chase, right? Yeah, it's chase bank. Um, wow So jp morgan and chase. Yeah, so It was it was an american loan that was taken out to under canada's wonderland's kind of like Name, uh, not under like it was taken out under canada's wonderland's name so We have your trademark. We have your trade. Yeah, exactly So it leads me to believe because also if you guys remember about a year ago two years ago Vaughn was looking to build an indoor water park Um, that was something vaughn wanted built in a within a 10-year period again it would be extremely difficult for me to believe that cedar fair wouldn't have taken up that public funding to build one so What i'm trying to get at and what you're going to start seeing a lot of discussion is with wonderland taking it alone And you guys have heard you've seen there's evidence everywhere that wonderland is trying to almost become something that they're Whoa, I can see you looking at me like Um trying to become like a theme park and a destination park Um, I I think it's inevitable that you're going to see a huge Change in investments and I think that they're being really careful Um and cautious about what they build now I think you're going to see The end of almost like a lot of flat rides being added to the park I think you're going to see a lot of family rides. You're going to still see some really high scale um themed High intense roller coasters. Don't laugh at me um, but Yeah, I mean like It's it's To me, it's like crazy because like uh, I never once did I think that wonderland would be this center of attention If you guys remember the podcast last year, I was already kind of hinting at a front gate reno coming very soon Um, I was hinting at a roller coaster for 2025 since last year Um, and it's all happening, but I wasn't Expecting them to build what I think could be that big of a hotel um And this elaborate of theming and hiring such a company That they've hired to do the front gate and the coaster and for them to go into such detail with like onboard audio and all that So it's really exciting. Like it honestly like it's it's a really big thing And it's going to take a while it's I'm not saying kennins wonderland's going to be a destination park Come two three years from now you're like but six to eight years from now I think wonderland's going to look very different very different What do you guys think? Yeah, I honestly had no idea what you were talking about for the last 20 minutes It's above your pay grade Completely lost From from what brendan's saying, I think wonderland is trying to Not okay, not become cedar point, but like cedar point of fies. That's a word cedar point of fies themselves So like cedar point has the on-site hotel the off-site hotel and all the things that make it A resort like a place you go for multiple days instead of one day you go to wonderland for a day Like my family we used to live in london. We drove down To wonderland at like 8 a.m. All right for 10 left at 10 we got home at midnight Like if it was if there was a hotel we probably would have stayed stayed a couple of days The more the more time you're there the more money to make bang bang boom money in the pocket now and I I think I actually have a good idea of where they could put An indoor water park if they were looking at that as well and like a resort hotel and whatnot It literally down the street where uh davin busters is For those of you who know the area There's an old entertainment district with an abandoned movie theater and they're like They pretty much kicked out all the tenants that were in that plaza. They could build that there And there's definitely enough space for them to do that And they could be able to chase people they could have buses they have the bus terminal that's right next to Pretty much at the park where the employee parking lot is To bring people to and from that area Correct me if i'm wrong, but that davin busters area is becoming condos. Yeah Unfortunately, yeah that whole thing that whole complex of everything that the the mini putt because that's a whole separate thing That's becoming condos everything is there Yeah, they they kicked out all the tenants in those buildings. There was like a boston pizza there There was mini golf and they're they're just gone. They're building condos And it would make a lot more sense if they did that there because it's within A decent distance from the park to shuttle people back and forth. Yeah I don't know where else they would put something like that in von though maybe up further But I I think you guys are all missing a plot of land that can fit it very easily And enthusiasts don't want this, but it just makes the most sense Kingswood I think I know what it echoes when I lean back and I get really close in your mic range It's a perfect spot for if you think about it where kingswood is I wasn't even thinking on the onsite They'd have to do parking garages to keep the parking space though if they expand into that area because they'd have to Or underground Oh, they could build an underground Thanks, Brendan push. Oh, oh my goodness Okay, while they're fixing that What do we what do we think is the possibility of uh canada's wonderland subway brendon? I don't think it's happening anytime soon It doesn't make sense to build a subway to a park that's not open every all year There we go saw that comment Um I yeah, I just What do you guys think? What do you guys think? What do you think about an indoor water park? Then they can destroy slash works and build more posters. That's not what would happen I think next to an outdoor water park. Yeah, it's going to be a little interesting, but See no the water park. I feel like they should do off-site. I don't think it should be a part of that hotel Yeah, if they're gonna do an off-site one Then it should have a hotel slash water park thing. Sure Even off-site to where that highway ramp is that's better, but like in the thing Why would you want to park and it's like right beside it? You could have like a photo with both of them in the same shot. I don't know if you'd really want that So It's a weird place for a for a water indoor water park. Yeah. No, I always you got parking No, yeah, you got parking the hotel space by the ramp by the highway ramp. That's the best spot What can you fit in that little tiny plot? How much bigger do you think kingswood is than that little tiny plot a lot bigger the theater alone could fit 10 000 people 10 000 That's not a lot of people the sky dome. I think is like triple that. Yeah, but you can't While we're at it, don't forget to like the stream everybody hit the like button down below Let's try to get a hundred and fifty likes I know there's 125 of you watching so I need to see that like number go up Thank you very much I wonder is it going up my screen says one you tell Jake please So someone is telling me that our documents aren't readable and we are blurry on youtube I'm I do not mean to sound rude. Um, if you're watching that is your internet. I I could see it on jakes. I've had right now It's crystal clear. Yeah so They're they're literally like I left because your quality was so terrible. I'm sorry, but I think your internet was terrible So Four people in the chat right there That's clear as 1080p. Thank you Going to the next slide. There is no next slide. So, um There'll be more information to come On some other things. I do have a meeting. I would like to have a meeting before I talk about a few other things Um, is this it? This is the generic talk screen. Yes. Welcome to wonderland so um Obviously we have some work to do with some audio equipment. Yeah, we're gonna have to set them all so that we're like This close to the microphone. Yeah Um, and by next week there our blueprint wallpaper will be here. So it'll look more like an actual set Um, this isn't my microphone. I don't want it down my throat That's the problem. I want to see what's happened with that microphone That makes me want to put it even further away. I don't want to know Um, but does anyone have any questions? We are going to do a hangout stream So we'll end this we're going to take a quick little food break. You know, look at me. I require a lot of food and quick quick Wow Someone's fired. I'm gonna um Two to ten feet. Yeah, so obviously we did something wrong. It sucks because no no no two to ten inches I'm pretty sure talking about extreme Oh extreme skyfire. I I don't really have anything to say. It's it's getting removed. Trust me. There's no scientific getting removed, but trust me Um Just trust me if I'm wrong, I'm wrong Um There's a chance I'll be wrong, but there's a really big chance I'm right and I'm not guessing either people I think some people think I'm guessing on extreme skyfire closing. No that that information was handed to me Yeah, you tell him right then. Yeah um I forgot about the hangout. Yeah, and we're gonna play hangman. We're gonna try a little hangman game on the hangout stream to see we are Yeah What I'm going over there I'm like, who the hell are you? Why do you think you're on that side of the room? Oh now he's gonna cry. You know, I'm about to drive home before the hangover scene starts I'll bring my mic with me Jake's our little ball of sensitive. That's you now. We got two of them. That's the problem I thought I was the sensitive one. He's the sensitive one. What'd you say? I didn't hear you One big one one small one I'm the skinniest one in this friend group Um, anyways, this is the professional we can be unprofessional in the hangout stream Okay, you guys ask us questions. Someone keeps asking is ryan still on the hangout streams. No, he's not This is the new team including syria No shade to him. That's just it's krega kiefer Jake syria kaden will appear jacob will appear Those are the only people that I am like In my friend group that I'll have on the stream. That's all I'm gonna say Oh, no, I'll get jacob's in here and jacob will not appear on the stream Sorry jacob Syria will be weekly. Um, he was he was gonna be here today guys syria is just Out doing something, you know conquering life. Um, he will be here next weekend. I'm sure he will What happened? Okay, I'm not looking at patreon questions. I'm so sorry How can they expand become a major destination given its real estate challenges? So that's a really good question And I'm not saying this to be shady because it's not a good question I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest. I let I hate this question, but I understand why it's being asked So I'm I'm out of you that sounds so mean but like what I'm trying to say is it's a good question because it's not a good question if that makes sense Wonderland actually doesn't have any real estate challenges So if you actually look at the plot of land that wonderland takes up It's got a lot of available real estate So they were able to successfully redesignate the plot of land over by the entrance on rutherford So they can now develop that land into a hotel if they want they got the forest next to splash works They got kingswood They got old attractions that need removing. They have action theater. They have the snoopy's racing railway plot of land that's available And they have in between wild beast and behind the bat They have the go karts There's a lot of available land for attractions at the park and then If absolutely need be I'm choking on my own burp They can remove the parking lot and build a parking garage on one side But that is not feasible like it's a really expensive project that I can't see them doing Where's white hair guy? Oh, that's am That's uncle That is uncle and that's you you cannot disrespect uncle. That's our amy. He's here. He's here in chat Uncle am Am For us with the wrench we for sure butchered that Hi, uncle amy. There's uncle am So anyone got any other questions I love that you're not mad at me. I didn't even want it to come across that way I'm so sorry when an underground parking lot be part of the hotel, especially if it's kingswood No, I don't think so. Um, it's very rare that the parking lot fills up other than firework days It would be interested to see what happens on firework days if they were to use some of the The parking lot, but I think that's why the park's been trying to work on public transit If extreme skyfire gets removed will it be scrapped or reused? Okay, kiefer. Would you like to touch on this from what you know? Um From what I understand. Can you just confirm yes or no for me extreme sky flyer is rented? Yes, so Sky coaster I think it goes by sky coaster LLC. I might be mistaken But they own all of the sky coasters. So it's all a park rental or on a lease So If they loan one up to a park for 25 years, it's at the park's responsibility to maintain it But sky coaster actually Owns it and gives the training and maintenance and stuff for it Uh, and it's up to someone at the park to communicate with sky coaster about it So once it's done it could either be scrapped if it's an older one usually like all the portable ones are gone Some of the older ones have been scrapped. Some of them have been relocated like there was one in vegas That one's at fun spot Orlando So it could be relocated If it is to stay in canada I in ontario I could see it maybe in clifton hill or something because clifton hill likes to have those Clickbaity things like go karts or whatever that would fit well there. I think Yeah, they would have to buy a new lease, but the physical sky coaster would be Given to them for that awesome Oh I'm pasting that there for my use in a second Essentially, hey, do you just anyone else have anything to do why multitask for a second? I have such a such a helpful team Craig has been awfully quiet this stream He's talking more actually than I was expecting Craig is trying not to be so gp I'm here for the hangout stream, man. He didn't know where kidsville is All right guys any last few questions before we end this and start the hangout stream where you guys can Don't play some games. There will be a break. Don't expect you to start Yeah, we're gonna take like a five ten minute break. I'm sure some of them need to use the washroom and eat I bought I bought drinks and food. I do feed them and then I'll lock them up in their cages after don't worry To move this microphone, um, hold on one second. Don't pull it out again All this whole time and now I fixed it perfectly. Here is my self promo So, um, our patreon my patreon's definitely learn some information every day So I've been flying the drone. So for example, they've been updated the last two days on daily updates on the drone sometimes Sometimes what do you think the brakes for man Sometimes I don't post the drone updates unless it's like worth posting But there is sometimes for example They were able to see something on top of the mountain that I haven't posted in a youtube video yet I will also be doing giveaways on the podcast to patreon's And we are working working on more ways for the patreon's to be implemented into the podcast Again, this was just a test stream for us to figure out audio issues so Yeah, we'll be getting our act together. Don't worry and join us in discord. I am so scared Because every time we do this there's always a problem So join us in discord the links right there. We have a pretty active VC to be honest active is an understatement. Yeah, it's been getting even more active at night And that's where I do a lot of my problem solving. It'll be funny. I'll join the the voice chat And I'm like guys guys guys guys. Look at this. Tell me what you see Or oh my god guys, I think I just saw this and let me literally spend all night Discussing it and trying to figure out what it is. Um, but yeah join our discord If you're over 16 join our VC But please don't be shy. We will ask your home park and ask you to talk So yeah join discord and become less shy and hang out with people I think that's it Yeah If you have any questions the hangout streams for that you guys can ask us questions even outside of wonderland We're going out to do something illegal after this After the hangout stream. Oh, we're ahead of schedule actually though We're not going anywhere Um, we're going to mexico Geez, that's exactly where we're going cancun Can you make it summer, please? I'm working on it. Um springs coming next week Will I have to talk to? Um, take me with you It's so fun. Okay. Awesome. I'm gonna end this we're gonna quickly eat I'm gonna quickly eat. They're gonna go to the washroom and we'll be back on the hangout stream Give us 10 minutes max. Okay set the timers yell at us if we're late