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Hope you all are well, I know you're wondering why my cameras on but you know, we got a special guest so I had to pop my camera on just for her Tonight we'll be joined by the lovely Miss Courtney Michelle Real quick before we get started shout out to 8h shout out to 8h Appreciate you brother as you can see This stream chat is for members only so if you're not a channel member Please consider becoming one if you are not necessarily interested in becoming one you can bypass that through super chats or by becoming a moderator Excuse me, and we do that primarily number one to support the the stream support the channel But also to just kind of filter out the nonsense, you know at Here on we need to talk. We don't just talk to talk. We're actually trying to Solve problems trying to dive deeper into very complex and layered issues. So People who are invested not just with their time, but also their dollars Into what we're doing here. 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So if you haven't if you haven't already checked that out Please consider doing so Other than that, you know, I've still been doing the the case study thing trying to use some current events to Not only help grow the channel because that's what the algorithm likes but also to Kind of consolidate some of the things that we talk about in interviews we talk about on live streams In a way, that's consumable for the masses. So make sure you check that out. I Recently started another series called reviewed or revised. I'm sorry where I go Pretty much respond to long form content. So the the last one that I did was The lady from sisters, I think her name is crystal crystal something but she She talked about dating after 40 So, yeah, I did a I did a breakdown on that Courtney Michelle actually did a breakdown as well. So make sure you check hers out as well Afro-disciple appreciate you brother Doesn't want to pop up Like I said, I really appreciate your brothers Being here, I really appreciate your brothers Thinking enough of what I'm doing here to to donate and contribute Because yeah to keep this thing afloat is not it's not easy. So every like every share every donation It really goes a long way. So I appreciate y'all tonight The conversation I'll be having recording Michelle is going to be about prime time Deion Sanders but less about the man specifically and More about kind of the concept of black male audacity at least that's where I'm going to be coming from But yeah without further ado Let me bring up my lovely guest. She's wearing pink tonight, which is close to red, but it's not red Ms. Courtney Michelle I Love your hair This is this is my my second attempt to grow my hair, you know, I had hair before You had hair before yeah Yeah, yeah, I had hair before I cut it when I started boxing because I didn't want to you know Be messing with it every day or every week and then now I'm like, let me try it again before I go bald But eventually I'm gonna go bald. I See the telltale signs eventually Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's receding it's receding, you know Just FYI genetically you get your hairline from your mother's side. So you have to look at your mom's dad hair How do you even find that information like what you were probably up it for for it? Shit Because I'll be up in the morning Okay, you know, I don't sleep Okay And that's gonna be your hairline I don't have I seen a bit so a lot of my grandparents except for one died before I was born So I never actually met them and you know, a lot of the pictures were left in Nigeria. So I Can't I couldn't even tell you like describe what my mom's parents look like. Yeah Yeah I'm gonna have to look into that but how are you what's going on was new was popping you haven't been on the channel in a while So tell the people I know I feel like it's been a long time. Yeah, but um, you know, I'm just living Loving life. Mm-hmm. That's it Mm-hmm You know, a lot of people at at a certain point and you know what point I'm talking about They reached out to me and said is everything okay with Courtney In hindsight, mm-hmm, how would you recap that that period what what happened? What was it that you had seen in the space that particularly pushed you over the edge and like where are you now mentally? Oh What you didn't tell me that I know you Know what's going on? Yeah, but um, it was a lot of people. I ain't gonna lie a lot of people. Yeah You didn't tell me that At at the time I didn't want to Overwhelm you I just wanted to kind of focus on getting from you what it what was going on and how we could solve the problem But yeah, a few people reached out to even people you hadn't met We're like, yeah, what's going on recording? So yeah, talk to him Okay, well, I don't know if something's going wrong with me. I just think that um You didn't have to do this. Okay, so I You know have been in this particular space for a while And I just kept seeing things um How can I I felt like I was brainwashed I felt like I let red pill brainwash me And me kind of realizing the people that are speaking in this space is absolutely fake That they don't believe what they say um I started getting pissed off And so a lot of my thing came out of anger because I feel like I was brainwashed A little bit in believing something and then realizing that some of the stuff that I believed in wasn't true I feel like that being in this space made me feel like um Made me feel less than It made me feel bad about myself being 40 being a mother I literally drunk the kool-aid and I felt for a long period of time that No one would want me I felt like I wasn't worthy of a good man because of my age because I have a daughter And then I had to get outside and it was like no according. You are worthy of love You do deserve a good man because you're a good woman And being in space like I said I felt so down on myself And I don't want to be I don't I'm not red pill. I can't stay in the space. I think it's a sham um, but I don't want to contribute to women feeling like um It's over for them It might look different how you move But love can happen relationships can happen um, so yeah So I was pissed off So that's what happens to me was was there a Specific thing a specific creator a specific group of creators or a specific Pattern that you saw they kind of pushed you over the edge um Hell yeah obsidian Absolutely, he's a he's a sham And once I started realizing and listening And knowing people that know him in real life And even the stuff that Kevin samus used to tell me about him I used to be like you're absolutely right So he was one of them, but all the black man and spear guys are living a whole fucking lie They tell you not to date baby mamas, but all of them was with one Okay, they tell you this they all are they don't want you all these women or stuff But they're in relationships with single parents and it Is just was a lie And just to see people making money taking advantage of men That really needs to You know that's really looking for answers And they're looking for answers in men that are lying to them Even in the the the whites bar with the just pearly things and how jesus completes gay I'm artist telling all the men what type of woman to get and she's the exact woman that she's telling men not to be with It's like it just was a I'm hoping her So, yeah, I was pissed off and I wanted to smoke with everybody But I have come down That's good a little bit A little bit A little feisty still No, I understand I understand so what what is your focus? now because I know you've kind of Gone away from the manasphere stuff collaborating with manasphere creators other than like O'Shea, what what do you think your focus is now? um Well the stuff that I do looks that I haven't really done any lives because My focus is Off the internet My life is off the internet So some of the stuff that I post it is, you know, like you said dating after 40 That's important to me because again of my age and you know being realistic about things like that But I don't want to keep bashing So i'm not here trying to say oh black women are all this and black men are all this. Fuck that. No, I'm not I'm just talking in general and stuff that is helpful. I did something about um, you know The soft girl era but this woman says some 10 points that it's her being softer But I loved it because she's married with children and even in her marriage She's like, you know, I want to be softer in my marriage So it's still like that essence of being in a relationship and being a woman that's married But still understanding that it's some stuff that she has to still change To maintain and to keep a happy home. So that's stuff that I'm kind of focused on stuff that I think matters and um I'm not into this fashion and fighting No more. I don't want to fight you And I'm not going to continuously Put out content to make us look like shit. I think we're amazing Facts, yeah A lot of people think you're amazing, Courtney. So The energy is reciprocated. Trust me. I know But um, so what what do you think? What do you think should be the future of this space? right, so when when the obsidian's and the You know angry people are kind of you know over the hill. Where do you think the space should go? Just in your opinion um I was watching This he's a pastor, but he's also a dating coach and he's been married for over almost three decades and R.c. Blakes He's from Atlanta. He wants a more house. He's like skin and I don't know so I've been watching kind of like stuff like that and For me, I think we need to move on to How can we really be together? What does that look like? How can we maintain relationships? How can we be the person that? um Is proud to be You know on someone's arm. So as far as a woman, I want to be proud that my man has me on his arm So what does that look like? You know as a man, I want men like man. Yeah, I want a good woman How am I gonna make myself the best man ever for her like that stuff? I just want to move in something positive more and focus on us really being together This fight and shit. It's just worn out. How long are you gonna talk about women ain't submissive? How long? How long are you gonna talk about? I won't fit feminine friendly Oh Let's let's move on because we're getting older And um, just realizing I don't know like I said being 40 I've lost a lot of friends at my age heart attack strokes, um the leading themselves And life is just too short to be fighting one another And I just want to focus on how can we get back to loving each other so That's what I would love to see this Like bitch. I love you. Okay. Let's have this. I was gonna work. I need to talk to me a little more I want to be a little bit more bolder to you bitch. Come on. I don't want to talk about Yeah, the um the crystal Hey slip video That you that you did a reaction to You know you and her kind of have a few things in common um What what was kind of your because that that video I think is almost at a million views as far as her video And then a lot of people have been talking about it. What was kind of a your synopsis of What she was saying the issues that she was having in the whole nine Oh, what do you what what do we have a comment? Let me ask that first You guys are both good-looking Uh you you You both you know are the same age, right? Um Well, she lives in atlanta you used to live in atlanta just your stuff like that. So like what what you think is uh General takeaway because I had some things to say, but you know, you had different things to say But what was your general takeaway? Um I think that And this also goes into The whole tola parry thing and what he's been His backlash, right? Yeah Um and funny because he said it on her show When he said the you know women are need to settle or whatever um I think when you hit a particular age especially at 40 and Not saying that you are just making six figures, but you have a decent job and you're able to um Take care of yourself financially A lot of women feel as if they don't need a man and she Doesn't feel like she needs a man. She just wants a man because quite frankly, she's lonely Um So a lot of us look at men as an as I said in that show an Accessory as if you're not needed I can take care of all my bills. So I don't necessarily need you I just want you to be there um I think where she's getting the wrong and a lot of us are getting it wrong Is that essence of not needing a man? Why in the world would a man want to be with you if you don't need them? And if a woman was told that if a man told her I don't need you and I just want you here. I just need a little slumber Late night. Maybe that's all I want you for if I you would feel like shit So we feel that way. Why would you not think that a man would feel that way? And I'm just saying even to her and to other people in my age just because you 40 and you can take care of your bills That's not living You need someone What happens when something happens to you again? You get this age you see people passing you see people getting sick Aren't you tired of your emergency number being your mama? You need a man Men need a woman in their life And again, like I said, I'm not going through this life Uh By myself Because that's not living My life is meant to be with a husband To travel to love to laugh And that's it But she has to get she's in her own way and a lot of us get in our own way Absolutely um afro disciple makes a A really good point in my opinion. He says can we get at least five to ten years to speak our mind? We had to listen to black women for over five decades How would you respond to that because that's funny? I think that that's a red pill man is fear talking point Um people would say you had a ricky lake. You had this. No, we didn't Ricky lake sally jesse all of them made black people look a damn fool It wasn't women speaking Women looked pathetic black women looked pathetic on those shows So that's not true. Well, you had oprah. Well, let's look at statistically what oprah had 77 of oprah viewers Was white women over 40 making a medium of 70k So black women was not watching oprah rent free as a matter of fact, it came on three or four o'clock in the afternoon What black women, you know working in the 80s and 90s had three or four Afternoon at home sitting down. No, we had jobs. We worked. We had children to take care of So that's not true either So again, this is a talking point Black women we had uh the beauty salons Just like men had the barbershop. There was never a legit platform that black women just had grievances We had movies that was directed and produced by black men Apparried black men I mean it's spiky So we didn't it is a lie. It is a talking point And that's what I have to say about that. It's a lot. It's absolute lie TLC had no scrubs. Did it specifically say black men in no scrubs? No It is talking about but as a matter of fact tlc Because white women was buying their music. So again, it is a talking point, but it's a lie Because it's not true black people have been looking at absolute fool of decades of media and we still do so Do you think do you think there is any validity at all? to Because I see some the color purple Look one movie one movie So we're basing black women had so much to say about black men of one movie The color purple is all that you got to say As if black women in the color purple look good See, look at this. That's why I can't stand this faith. It's just talking points one movie But did you had a whole show bt uncuts? That show black women being sluts and whores and credit cards sit down a ass This is what I say Because you know me and you we've had this conversation a little bit. We've had a little bit of this conversation, but I think your points are valid. Um However, I do um also think You know starting with reconstruction There was a concerted effort before the movies before the tv shows before over in the whole nine to vilify black men And then when we get into the 70s and the 80s the crack epidemic Um kicking black men out of the house for welfare I think because of those things that were already done Some of the subtle jabs that came with reality shows and it came with Talk shows in the whole nine kind of Re-emphasize the whole niggas ain't shit narrative, right? So I'm I'm not a fan of Because that happened to us. We should do that to Black women. However, I do think That it's important That in the mainstream Black men's honest thoughts are finally represented. So for instance, I was just watching girlfriends Right And I thought to myself random, right? I thought to myself it was an episode where, um, Tony she cheated on her boyfriend And gave him chlamydia Right and then lied about it in the whole nine the other dude was trying to propose the whole nine and I was like, yo How would a male version of this be received? How would a male Show of men Being dirty and grimy but explaining it away with their Sexuality, how would that go over in pop culture? And the reality is it wouldn't right but women are Allowed and even celebrated for all the textures and colors that come along the good bad and the ugly And I think what the man is fear is representing is Even though we or or we shouldn't go in that direction just like to over correct Um, they're going to be some growing pains like the fresh and fits are going to be part of the consequence of Men not being able to speak at all especially black men not being able to speak at all And I think as we're moving in a positive direction ultimately we have to kind of expect some of the bullshit along the way Let me say this because we're talking about media so Who spends money? women So things are going to get geared To the democrat demographic that spends money If there was a show about black man's grievances with that would black man go and fund it Well, so that's that's been part of my point, right? But that's but yes or no Right that that's my my point has been I'm gonna get to it. I'm gonna get to it. My point in the manifest fear has kind of been If we're serious about some of these problems if we're serious about solutions We need to consolidate our message And also consolidate our resources whether that's Nate parker whether that's um, actually You know again getting one band one sound with what we're trying to do But because we're so fractured or we're all over the place there's fresh and fit on this side MTR on that side and nothing is actually going to get done Because to your point the narrative is shaped by money and even though It's not necessarily in women's benefit some of the things that they spend money on To your point like some of these raunchy songs by sexy red and the whole nine they're being written by men You know some of these movies waiting to exit. They're being produced by one way But it's it's because that's what's lucrative So at the very same time when black men are complaining about it I'm trying to make the point of Well, we're part of the machine and if we want different we have to fund different and we have to support different But even using the manifest fear as an example We see the creators who get the support and we see the creators who don't Right. So we get stuck in this this cycle of just complaining, which is why I think what you're saying has some validity to it. However I think women should also have Some grace for for for some of the bullshit and understand that it's part of The growing pains. It's part of How suppressed Whether rightfully or you know wrongly how suppressed a lot of black men in particular feel Well, I'll look at it. I'll I'll I'll say this. Um, I think everyone needs Uh, an avenue to vent Right. I think that this space is not About grievances I think it's about get back Mm-hmm. I think there's a lot of men That are upset And want get back. So therefore you will see the biggest audiences or the biggest Uh youtubers in this space It's not about male empowerment It's not about men talking about money and uh fitness or or how to be the best version of you It's about shitting on women It is about fresh and fit. Let's bring horse on And let's talk them the fuck out and every super chat. It's a super chat and talking shit about them And if that's what venting is If that's what men need is a space to just talk shit about women then for me, it's like, well, what does that say? even with this, um thing, you know, can we get at least five to ten years to speak our mind it's like Women has been doing it. How come we can't do it? So you want to be like women? But then you want to be leaders How can you lead and be and wanted to be respected as a leader? But yet want to do what women do I will say this at the at the very same time. Um, so for instance, there's a clip on instagram that I put out, um It's a clip from one of the table episodes and basically I made the point that um We spend too much time and energy blaming our deadbeat dads for how things turned out in life And a lot of times it's because our moms told us or taught us to blame Our deadbeat dad, but no blame goes to our mom No blame goes to her for picking him No blame goes to her for a lot of the bullshit that she did in the whole nine So the clip was probably one minute and 30 seconds I guarantee you most people only watched 10 seconds of it and they were already commenting you should be happy she didn't swallow you you you were ungrateful this and that and I bring that up because As a whole not just in the black community, but we don't know how to criticize women Yeah, we don't know how to hold women accountable. We don't know how to persecute women or prosecute women. I'm sorry and Unfortunately because of that a lot of the productive conversation Sometimes gets lumped into the unproductive conversation because sometimes it sounds the same right, so As women I guess what I would like to see Is a bit more grace right a bit of the grace that We are expected to have for y'all right when a woman says niggas ain't shit I can either take that personally Or understand some of the negative aspects of the patriarchy That I'm also against And I can also say that yeah, I'm against men who take advantage of women sexually Or try to use their power to get you know, whatever the case may be but when it comes to women it seems like there's just a steel wall of That's not me. That's none of my friends. I don't know nobody like that And men never actually feel heard Because we just get dismissed most of the time so unfortunately The result of that the result of years and years of that Is fresh and fit and you know how I feel about the fresh and fit side But we have to be able to zoom out and conceptualize. Okay. What's actually going on as opposed to just You know throwing rocks and saying man these motherfuckers this and that what created them And what more than what created them what created the demand for them? And when I hear some of these dudes stories Listen, if I had been through half of what these dudes have been through I would hate women too, rightfully Just like a lot of women who hate men and it's like when you when you listen to her story And she was raped by her own dad. She was just you'd be like, oh, I understand it but men Especially black men have never had the opportunity to tell those stories and even in the Situations that they tell the stories. They're either dismissed Or simply put on the man. And I think over time, you know, the snowball effect is Fresh and fit. So if we want to prevent other fresh and fits, it's not just about demonizing fresh and fit It's not just about castigating them and talking shit about them in the whole nine. It's about Killing it. It's going to sound corny, but it's it's about killing it with kindness It's about showing them that no women are not like that Right, even though your Experiences have taught you that they are and rightfully so and they're valid But okay, let's start walking it back instead of nigga. You ain't supposed to nigga You supposed to because that's what we're used to getting in my comment sections In my instagram section and you know how I am, you know, I'm saying so if they saying this about somebody as articulate As myself who's gonna lay out all the nuances? Just imagine what the regular degla dude Is going through but a lot of times we kind of gloss over that in our critique Okay, let me let me bring let me bring this comment up so we can get to uh The answer is good. It's always gonna be good. All right, so uh Uh V bomba V bomba, I'm probably butchering that I think the movement should go in the direction that kevin was taking it and stay consistent with your ministry, um Yeah, brother. I I You know, I've been open about this. I wasn't a kevin samuels fan I was a kevin samuels appreciator, right? So, um, you know some of the My my my favorite kevin samuels video was a video he made before he was famous That most people wouldn't even know but when after average at best. I wasn't watching streams. I wasn't I wasn't in there I'm just being honest But yeah, I I think kevin samuels was kevin samuels. I think there'll never be another one and what i'm doing is uh I think we had You know rest his soul a similar vision of reconciling black men and black women Um, but I think our approaches are different. Um, so, you know all respect to what the brother did and what the brother represented um My uh my path is a bit it's a bit different um Afro disciple he also says if you have heard black men weren't ish basically your entire life Raise your hand That's real well, let's okay And if you've heard bitches ain't shit but holes and tricks Your life raise your hand If you felt like you wasn't anything worth but sex as a black woman Raise your hand That's where all this black girl magic came from because it's a fucking facade for us to build self confidence Because for our entire life we felt like shit. We didn't feel beautiful We wanted to change our way Change how we look change our hair change our body because there's we never felt good enough As a black woman we don't feel beautiful That's why these girls are working and trying to get some attention because in real life you feel overlooked There's not been a time where black women just feel I feel so beautiful and I feel like I can get any man and The world loves me. No black women don't feel that way So black women raise your hands if you felt like you was only good enough for sex Or that your hair wasn't long enough Or straight enough your nose wasn't straight enough your body wasn't perfect enough. He's too fat your butt too big Of course some black men like that, but when you go out into this working world. No, you don't We both feel it That's why I wish people would understand black women don't feel good either And black men has heard it black women here too Again, why I had to get out this space? Why in the world would I be in a space? Where my whole existence feels like I'm not worthy of anything I don't know this black girl magic is a facade To get confidence in something that black women don't have black women are not confident in our cells We're not confident in our beauty I think you know what? what breaks my heart A lot of times when I When I when I talk to black women and when I hear some of these grievances is The kind of lack of education and not necessarily because you know, it's not our fault, right? Um The school systems kind of nitpicked what they wanted to pick because they wanted to train us. They didn't want to educate us Yeah, so, you know For instance, I think it would be powerful for black women to learn That somebody like Marcus Garvey in the 1910s 1920s He he built a toy factory Specifically for that reason because he understood that a nation can rise no higher than its women he understood that Black women seeing themselves as beautiful seeing themselves as worthy and and a lot of those Predispositions are instilled when they're really really young, right? So if you're if if if the only dolls are white dolls, you're gonna think the ideal is to be white And how does that trickle down into the way that you see yourself the way you see other people? And how does that affect? Black men as well because black women build and destroy with their mouths right so Unlike the The experience of black women with black men There's a very unique. There's a uniqueness to the experience of black men with black women. I don't know if you saw that old many Documentary thing that I did about Terrence Crawford. Mm-hmm. His mom told him straight up. You ain't gonna be shit Yeah, right. He is a testimony But there are a lot of dudes who grew up like that and ended up exactly how their mom told them that they were gonna end up But a lot of times They don't even have the vocabulary or the awareness to articulate what happened to them And sometimes it just comes out as these bitches ain't whatever the but again, I think as As people seeking solutions, it's it's important that we don't just dismiss each other's Grievances because of our grievances, but spend some time to look into the uniqueness of The grievances because you know, there's a difference between daddy wasn't there and mommy was there But she made my life a living hell. Yeah Right and a lot of boys A lot of their niggas ain't I mean bitches ain't shit comes from their experience with their mom But just like my clip where I was Hypothetically talking about it it get you get laughed out of the room There there's even by other men most of the the worst comments that I've gotten under that clip are from men That she should have swallowed you were from men You should be grateful you on these niggas ain't built like they used to be it's from men, right? So What what I found the uniqueness of it is like When women complain even when it's invalid There will be another woman woman to validate it for her girl I understand or I get how you feel even if it's in even if she's complaining that she picked a shitty dude or whatever There will be so even the episode i'm telling you about with girlfriends. They were hugging her in the whole night Even though she gave dude chlamydia Now with dudes even when we make a valid point if it goes against the status quo of Sister mother goddess your mother is untouchable Even other men will lambast you that is a uniqueness that women don't experience At large. Yeah You know I think that we are Women and men are a lot similar um Especially black folks in our experiences Then we want to recognize Because just like the mamas Will fuck over their sons You don't think mamas fuck over their daughters I remember I I remember my grandmother um Always liked my brothers more than me And you know my mom told me and she was like well, you know historically back in the day You know older people always thought why you have that gal for that gal ain't gonna be able to do nothing That son of yours is always gonna work and he's always gonna love you them gals is always gonna leave you so historically Daughters wasn't treated well like the sons by their mother Historically when your mom dated She would look at you sometimes as a competition Or that husband that boyfriend or that new husband would try to molest and touch your child Speaking for the daughters So daughters wasn't like we just grew up with the most wonderful mothers too as if mothers Treated us like this and the sons was treated like shit. No a shitty mom treated they child like shit That's the son and the daughter But a lot of us as far as with black women we had it hard It was the sons that got looked at they're going to produce they always going to love you as the mother Why you had them gals for I remember my mom said and them gals ain't gonna be over there Helping you out them boys and boys is always them boys. See if my grandmother always called my brother them boys And I was always that gal We are a lot alike. We have a lot of trauma together And once we figured out that we're both fucked up But we can if we are together and we can help each other and we can both we both need some healing like It's not one against the other We both got stuff to work through So no, it was not just Go ahead. No, no, all I was gonna say was I think you know in in my perfect ideal world um Men would be better at articulating women's grievances right Men would be able to understand the things that women have experienced and the things that Result from those experiences and Similarly women would be able to articulate men's experiences And I think because there's an inequity in the ability to articulate those experiences It just ends up being comparison. Yeah, it just ends up being well Mom was babying you and she would he she was hard on me But her babing me made me turn out like this in the whole nine and I think um in in an effort to to you know better articulate men's experiences I think the difference though with Traumatized boy traumatized girl at some point It tends to be that the girl is able to find community is is Is able to Find refuge Whether in the church, which is predominantly female and female serving Whether it's in trauma bonding with other women who've been through what she's been through um And even again even in her Even in the ways that her hurt hurts other people there are still accommodations made right like even the worst woman We could think of it's still going to be some simp who's going to marry her if she looks good enough on the flip side um Men never get that release Not only do they not get that release because they're they're vilified by the greater white society In a way that women aren't because women are kind of looked over as like harmless, right On top of that and there's a strength and a weakness But on top of that, um Even your own community quote-unquote Has no capacity To conceptualize their pain. So they definitely don't have a capacity to conceptualize your pain Right, and I think that kind of just grows over time. So what I would like to see is Instead of women spending so much time Uh Refining and articulating what they've experienced and all the things that are wrong with women I would like to see women better able to Articulate what men are experiencing independent of them just being able to articulate it and Similarly, I would like to see men able to articulate And and advocate for some of the bullshit that affects women uniquely black women uniquely Just like we saw the brother his wife died of Complications during childbirth and now he's one of the foremost advocates for Uh, you know kind of equity in the medical system around pregnant black women Right. So, you know, we we we have to be able to tell both stories and get good at it So we're not just a log of heads and going back and forth with each other Yeah, but you know, I I see that and I agree with that But again talking about this particular space It's either You are one side or the other So if I'm an advocate or I have, you know, I can talk great about this situation. However, I can still critique So like there's a comment Marcus You know me talking about men and how I feel about the space and of course he goes in and say What about Cynthia G? What about this? It's like I'm not talking about them like I can still love you Black man and I can still critique you Because the critique is out of love Same on the flip side. I can still love black women and I can say that I love them, but I could still critique But there's no space For us to be able to do both is either you better talk shit about black women or else And on the other side, you better talk shit about black men or what else like even with you And with your page and people were coming on your page just for you to Show the worst of us or black women would say something crazy and they got hard Of looking at women look a silly fucking mess But then once you said now, this is not the page for that they got upset with you They were mad because you wasn't this wasn't a page for you to bullshit and shit on women And that's how I felt I couldn't critique men What about the women no Y'all women do it. It's like I'm not talking about them right now I'm talking about this and I didn't I couldn't have that flexibility It was either all or nothing And what they wanted me to do was continuously shit on women And unfortunately, I'm not I'm a very proud black woman and being proud as a black woman doesn't mean I'm going to show the worst of us all the time What type of what what what kind of what kind of bullshit is that just a whole Bad woman bad bad bad bad bad. No, I love us and they're good black women I want to show that and you know I was actually having a conversation the other day because um Very often brothers will send me Some of those street interviews where like women would admit like, you know Would you rather date a nine or five dude or a street hustler who sell drugs and this and that And it would always be that the women would pick the worst option And what I kind of explained to him, especially as somebody who's been behind the camera Is that the reality is the people who are the most enthusiastic about speaking up are typically not the people who are representative of the average person these tend to be your You know party Loopy not necessarily the most intelligent person looking for attention. So unfortunately on the internet those people become over represented But the good women the women who are actually Thoughtful and considerate and actually kind They are the ones who kind of walk by because I've done street interviews. They're the ones who are thank you But no, thanks, you know, I don't want to be on camera. I don't have a social media the whole nine So those people end up under represented on both sides And I think as people who Are doing this It's important that we don't get swept away in The emotions. Yeah, and we're able to like I said before We're able to see the bigger picture And my goal You know, the first live stream was that divester Um The only thing I felt for her was pity Yeah Similar feeling towards synthiology. I have no anger Towards her. I just feel bad. Yeah, right And I think that if we can get to that place in this conversation where women see these problematic men And because you've become accustomed to Reverse engineering the things that might have happened along the way in his life to get him to this point similar to how We are called to do that as men. She's not just a hoe. She was raped at three years old, right Men deserve that grace as well. And that's what I would like to see that. I don't think is happening currently I think that it's very easy for us to consider a synthiology and throw away The male equivalent of a synthiology Even though when we actually start peeling back the layers, you know, people say people have been through some mess Let me say this because again, you know, you say it and I see the chat talking about, you know, many to place a vent vent But this it's not venting. That's going on No one is talking about their grievances What show have you seen where black men are talking about man? I was in this relationship It was hooked up and this happened to me. Oh, man, they're having you. Well, let me tell you how I got over it Let me tell you this. Let me give you tips. That's not happening But again, just like I said in in this space The most bombastic people are going to be over represented The people who actually have the pain they're not getting on these panels They're I'm reading some of them in uh the comp like I had a comment today. This dude, um It was under the genie mai and uh, gz video He was basically talking about how he married an asian woman and found out She was a narcissist and found out that her ex-husband actually committed suicide because she kept cheating on him Now is is that brother gonna get on a panel in front of men who don't want to hear men vent and say that probably not But do you not see the contradiction? It's man need a place to vent And so you create a space, but the space is not for men to vent The space is just talking shit about women And and that's that's why it's important even myself included. It annoys me as well. You know that But it's important for us to be able to zoom out the manosphere the men on the internet. This shit is new This shit is brand Spankin new niggas are learning how to walk Right niggas niggas niggas are crawling right now And unfortunately because of that like I said the message is all over the place You got people who are actually doing productive things and trying to see like legislation change and trying to you know DNA tests of birth and things that make sense and then you have The lambast women porn Right and I think unfortunately There is no for now. There is no this without that. I think Logically we have to kind of take both. We have to mitigate the bullshit and make sure that eventually it shrinks but with any Change with any revolution even political stuff. There's always like the fringe That's awesome bullshit. And I don't want a situation where we Because the fringe is so loud and obnoxious That we use it to drown out The actual real stuff that's going on and especially as it affects black boys specifically Because black girls they're gonna be all right There's a lot of momentum For black girls right now. Are we though? It's not Well, I'm not okay When I say they're gonna be okay I mean as far as Survival not thriving. I don't think y'all are thriving. I think it's a facade. I think it's bullshit But as far as yeah as far as survival and I think it also speaks to women's uh women's Advantage I think you guys are just Far more flexible than we are as men Men are rigid and they're pros and cons right. We have to be rigid running the battle in the whole nine But rigidness breaks And I think that's what's happening currently with black boys And part of the reason why black women aren't all right is because black boys aren't all right but The vast majority of black women think that funneling resources or funneling attention to black boys take something away from them Not understanding that if black boys are better Ultimately it leads to black women being better I agree. I agree that But we're doing this shit as like a team sport and I think That's why we're both losing We're fighting each other We are we are we got to get to D on Santa's heart. Let me get through Let me get through the rest of the super chats. It's always good. You know that Um, I'll admit fresher fit do bring a lot of trash women on But they've had doctors lawyers nurses teachers executives etc. They sound like the 19 year old or they Etc. They sound just like the 19 year olds and most times They're worse and you know Me and you've talked about that's that's worth the conversation like, you know Women tend to be a bit more monolithic and they're thinking even despite education and age in the whole nine um But the other point that I would like to make about freshen fit Unfortunately, I think it's an indictment on us Right if if you are doing productive things You do not get eyeballs in 2023 Like I can look through my videos and I could tell you what what works and what doesn't and What's funny if anybody's watching from instagram Part of the reason why I post the most inflammatory clips of the two hour conversations that I have is because that's what performs If you want to if you want to grow on instagram, I'm gonna give you a free tip Post something that's going to piss people off Or that's going to turn people on Two things There you go piss people off and turn people on if you want to if you want to but Like I said, it's an indictment on us because then we just have a whole bunch of inflammatory stuff Circulating now i'm hoping that it inspires people to click the link in the bio and go actually watch the video and understand it No, this was a nuanced Intelligent conversation, but unfortunately, I think there's more of a demand for pissed off Bimbo women Confirmation buys these holes ain't shit and here's why and similarly these niggas ain't shit and here's why But you know, we have to take some responsibility for that as well Louis Conyer he says A black man can never have grace in a woman's eyes black men are human doings We are only really seen as a human when we are dead. We are tired of being extracted for our resources That's why they are mad Short response court Let me read that Never have grace in a woman. Never ever Okay, we ain't never give y'all niggas grace. Okay black men are human doing We are only really seen as human when we are dead We are tired of being This is a deep That is it's it's there's there's a lot of validity to it I'll be honest. I think I think to be fair this this is about men in general that that comment is about men in general I mean, I don't think it's because of women I just think it's because of how our societies have been structured For eons Your rank as a man is actually either based on You winning the birth lottery and you were born into royalty or some shit or you being really good at avoiding death Do you mean other men grace? But that's not the point Yes and no Do men give men grace in a catharsis way like listening to our feelings and stuff like that? No, because I don't think that's necessarily what we need um But there's a way that a man and this is why the shortage of like fathers and you know mentors is so, you know So harmful, but there's a way that Another man who's been through what you've been through or what you're going through He can he can speak to you As they I see what I see I see you you're gonna be all right that a woman can never do Right and I think you know to kind of tie it into deon sanders I think that's why he's found so much success Because unlike any other coach in college any other coach in The nfl even this man has played at every level at the highest level and been the most successful Right, so he can speak directly to And it might not even be a long drawn out complex thing But like he could look at you be like I see you and that I see you was going to mean way more than nicks have been Yeah, right. So in the grace department um Again, I I I don't think women are look. I mean men are looking for the grace that women are looking for Um, but we're just looking for understanding and part of that understanding is like If I was born 50 years ago, right when world war two or whatever the case may be um How eager I was to die would Dictate kind of my how I was seen and revered by my community Right now it's thugs You know right now it's uh drug dealers in a whole nine, but like Men who are audacious men who are bombastic men who are willing to Crash out risk it all those are the men who are celebrated from knights to warriors shakuzulu Like it's always been like that but the result of that over time is that We don't know how to empathize with ourselves and our women damn sure don't know how to empathize with us So a lot of the stuff that he's Ruminating over you have no frame of reference and it's not because you're a bad person It's not because you don't care about him. It's just because we have never actually taken time to actually study men Or consider life from Men's perspective outside of just the advantages that we Quote on quote enjoy And I think that's why dr. T s on johnson's work is so powerful because he's actually creating the vocabulary for not just men To be able to articulate Yeah, this is good, but this is the bad that comes along with it But also he's giving women a glimpse behind the curtain like he was talking about how a lot of women think that um Uh men are black men are privileged because they're men in the hierarchy like intersectionality But women are at the bottom black women at the bottom because they are women and they're black When the reality is A lot of times being a woman Allows you to navigate in spaces that black men would be killed for being seen in Because we are seen as a threat At worst you're seen as a nuisance. There's a difference I can tolerate a nuisance I I'm not I'm not especially, you know, no machismo level. I'm not intimidated by a black woman Right, you know push come to shove. I could choke a snap or whatever But I'm intimidated as a black man and that turns to he doesn't need to be here Right when you see the the images of lynchings number one You cannot even remotely compare the number of men that were lynched the number of women that were lynched It's it's not even in the same stratosphere. Right number two What consistently happened with black men who were lynched they were um castrated It's some white folks right now who still got black dudes genitals in a jar till this day Yeah, right that's because that threat We we are inherently a threat So a lot of the things that were locked out of That were not allowed to participate in that black women are allowed to participate in It's it gets It gets interpreted as black women want it more than black men And then it creates that sense of superiority Whereas you know, we better than these men when the reality is a lot more complex It's a lot more in cities You're allowed to move in places that I can't move because as soon as I walk in the door all eyes on me Why just think of here? Yeah You know what I'm saying and and I wish We get to a place Where a woman acknowledging that doesn't feel like she takes anything away from her experiences and some of the Traumas and challenges that she has to experience as a as a woman Um, let's keep a push. We got to get to dion. We got to get to dion A popular opinion. I think if kevin was here today, he would have separated himself from this side of the internet by now He already Better you says where do you think the lack of confidence and self-assurance comes from are their signs A dad should look for excuse me how to combat it um lack of confidence and self assurance um the first thing that pops in my mind is like I think the modern day is more difficult As I would say especially for boys in the sense that Back in the day or even like in the village or whatever the case may be if your dad was a hunter You would be a hunter if your dad was a carpenter. You'd be a carpenter There wasn't any what am I going to be when I grew up? You had a legacy to follow you were already on a path And your ability to execute that path that you already put on to the best of your ability um Was kind of the the measure of man that you are in the lineage of other carpenters or other hunters that you come from And you weren't starting from scratch The problem now is like we are starting from scratch every single generation And confidence in my opinion is a is a consequence of competence Right, so it's it's it's one thing if you're coming from Three generations of carpenters Versus if I try to learn how to make a table right now You know what I mean and I and I think the fact that dads are not in the home for a myriad of reasons It kind of compounds that so a lot of boys Are growing up with a deep insecurity because They can't know who they are They they haven't been put on the path. There there hasn't been a right of passage. There hasn't been you know a blueprint Right, and that's why mentorship and and you know a lot of the things that we need to do with our boards are so vital Do you have a an opinion on that Courtney? No, I You said it Uh, we're almost at the bottom right dr. T. S. John. So yeah, shout out to the goat um Mrs. Smith speaking of creators producing substantive content Miss michelle could support black men by centering dr. Johnson's work on her platform. What say you miss michelle? Yeah, support black men by centering dr. Johnson's work on her platform Well, I'm really trying to make my platform for women Um, I'm tired of talking to men. I'm I'm tired of y'all. I'm sorry I'm tired of y'all Except I really am. I mean you get on my No, I don't I don't uh, no, I don't want to do that No, I don't I'm sorry. I support him Allen is that's his ministry Okay, I want to talk to the 40-year-old women. That's what I want. I want you I want you to do this if you can This would be dope to me. So The interview of dr. Johnson that I posted a couple days ago. Um, have you had a chance to watch it? I have not yet. Okay. So basically the way that I did it was I had him explain black masculinity studies At five different levels. So he explained it for like, um Women or girls. I'm sorry seven to 12 Then he explained it like 13 to 19 Then he explained it for like 20 to 30. Then he explained it for feminists. Then he explained it for black mothers Right. So the video is The title of the video is send this to black women that love you I thought it would be dope if you got either women of that hit each of those demographics together Or you know, some of those demographics together you all watch it And in real time stopping comment on it and this I would I would be interested to see that that would be dope because I think The way that he really, um Elaborates on it and kind of builds on it. It's proud. I even get comments from women saying like, yo, I have two signs And like, yo, this is massive So, yeah, uh, if you could do that I could do that. I'll do that for you Okay, I will. I trust you. I trust you. I'm gonna be on the lookout I love Yeah, all right two more two more two more in there. We're gonna get to the uh, damn. I'm sorry been out Uh, ruminant melanoid. He says in the past we've accepted being utilities, but at least it was appreciated now It's expected off rip and taken for granted. That's a problem. I see what you're saying Angel grays he says, um, some of us were raised by grandfathers. We have elder wisdom and get the bombastic side Bombastic, all right. So see market says, please do accordingly. I think that would be You get a minor shout out shout out to marcus. I love you. Um, all right Deion sanders Where do you want to start, corny? Okay, so Okay, so before we got live, right? And all right, so We talked about deion sanders a few months ago Where he left jackson state And you asked me what my opinion I told y'all was mad And then you got mad at me and then we was mad at each other Yes Yes, see what the people don't know is me and our friendship Oh, yeah, we'll be following that all the time All the time Yeah Okay, so um from your perspective because I'll I'll articulate my perspective, but from your perspective Um, explain what it is that Or how it is that you saw deion and why The move was so off-putting to you okay, so You know, I'm a If you don't stop, okay, I am an advocate of hbc use because I am a graduate of Tennessee state university so my my hbcu and I was so happy when deion sanders came to jackson state because I said finally The hbcu's can finally be on the map can finally be looked at as uh relevant And so I was so happy um, and then when he left I was mad Absolutely, I was mad Mm-hmm Then you got mad at me But okay None of the finish your butt finish your butt. I'm gonna jump in after the um I understood your tape Um, and I think your take was pretty much how jackson state treated him And I also agree that jackson state should have done the best they could do and put more effort in him staying but you know Now that he's in colorado and seeing what he's been doing I mean, I'm gonna support him regardless I was hurt This black man going in a white territory killing it. I cannot not support him Okay Yeah, you're gonna come around eventually um, so The issue that I had uh with our conversation and you're right. I should have absolutely called you Yeah, yeah, let's say that okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right all out It'd be it's via text. Yeah, right. He don't call the people So this is the issue that I had so basically, um You know beyond sanders went to jackson state Um, he stayed there. I believe three years. I believe he was there three years Uh, took him to the swag type championship. Um, took him to the celebration bowl I actually went to the celebration bow Uh, maybe not in the last year but year before last In atlanta. Um, yeah I think that when deon came Because he was coaching his sons ever since they were little But when he decided he was gonna try to you know pursue it on a higher level Um, a lot of the critique was he didn't have any experience He didn't have any experience. You know, how is he gonna get a coaching job? He doesn't have any experience I assumed I assumed that the majority of that critique was coming from White people and white institutions Because that makes sense, right? You you're supposed to think that the black man is intellectually or Dispositionally incapable, you're supposed to think that despite his Qualifications or his achievements. You're supposed to think niggaz ain't shit. I get that But when black folks started regurgitating some of that rhetoric as well And specifically black folks at A jackson state That's what started pissing me off because it was framed as Jackson state gave deon sanders an opportunity As opposed to deon sanders put jackson state on the map Okay, right and and the the the problem that I had with that is As black men a lot of our the chip that we have on our shoulder Is that niggaz ain't shit because it runs deeper than just like women saying niggaz ain't shit It's the world doesn't think niggaz is shit. We they think we are intellectually inferior We're not even able to Protect our women. We're not able to actualize any of our visions or whatever the case may be So if anybody should believe in us it should be us Especially if we are In some way shape or form over qualified deon sanders is a pro bowler Deon sanders is an all-star base. They could have coached baseball if he wanted to Right. He he's he's a legend at at florida state. He's a legend in nfl. He's got his a gold jacket the whole nine But for whatever reason He's still unqualified because that's our default with black men so for me When it got to the point where He had done all that he was doing for the uh for for jackson state that he's now doing for colorado Um, but despite that his son's cars were still getting broken into despite the fact that he brought three of his children to a to a When it comes to facilities a sub par school Just because he was overly invested in its success But to still be upset with the brother I'm like man What does a black man have to do? Right, it's kind of like when when uh people were burning lebron james jersey when he left cleveland And i'm thinking like yeah without lebron y'all wouldn't be shit like thank you lebron That that should be the energy and i know especially black men who found some success in their life They have felt that sense of never being good enough Never being good enough for thank you. It's always what have you done for me lately And for us to project that same energy to Our greats our legends People that if they died tomorrow would rock the foundation of the world I think it's just it's in poor taste So it wasn't just you but generally the conversation i was seeing around deon like this niggas sell out this I'm like you ungrateful bastards Because if it wasn't for him If it wasn't for him, you wouldn't even know this school exists and i understand, you know Being an hbcu alumni. That's hard to hear because it's like, you know swag this isn't but let's be honest Let's be real Because that same energy He's bringing that energy to colorado now and it's being reciprocated Right, so we can continue for example to talk about How um, you know Men get some money or they become successful and they get a white woman, right? Right, or get a white woman Or we can we can actually talk about the fact that when that man gets successful. He's a target in the hood When that man gets successful instead of young doll You know, we're one of the only communities that Oh, you think you look good. It's supposed to be a compliment Who do you think you are? It's supposed to mean that you are somebody like we don't even know How to see ourselves as great We don't know how to celebrate the greatness in ourselves let alone the people who've like Statistically and objectively checked off the boxes and unfortunately it's not until these men go even like we're talking about the passport Bros. It's not until they take their talents to South Beach Or Thailand or whatever the case may be that they actually get their flowers And we can either keep shaming them or we can talk about it and make sure that the next nfl athlete The next nfl great who looks at morhouse or who looks at tennessee state and says, you know what? I want to bring my resources my know-how and this this and that he's not put off By the way that people are crucifying a man Who did more than he was called to do? In a way that was more beneficial to the institution that it was to him. He didn't make no money off of that I agree with what you're saying I I don't have Push out but I'll go add to it from a A different perspective being that You know, obviously I am hbcu to to the death um you know Affirmative action ending in these schools Harvard and things like that um I think me being proud of being a hbcu grad is because I'm invested in my community and I wanted to be the best it can be for us fubu for us by us And I was upset when deon sanders left Because I just saw so much potential finally hbcu's has We can now compete in sports or we have someone and our eyes are looking at us finally We've been centuries for hbcu's and finally We have something now. I was pissed off at jackson state because again, they should have treated him like a king And they didn't um Now deon sanders come into jackson state. He should have he should have known That mississippi is the poorest states in the united states Mississippi is the dumbest state in the united states They're not smart and they broke so Him going there that should have kind of been like, okay. Well, I know what I'm getting into when you go to a hbcu Unfortunately the facilities are not the best They're not it's 106. I believe hbcu's and they are struggling and a lot of them lost accreditation um Some of them just finally got it back. So when you're going to a hbcu, these are already what you should know Him going to mississippi. He's going to be around some dumb broke folks With bad facilities So because of that for me, I'm just like What did he expect going to jackson state? Those three things were assurance dumb broke and bad facilities, but he decided to go there. He decided a contract for five years He reneged on the contract. He had a five-year contract for 1.5 million dollars um And he left within three years. So he left out on the contract So he didn't stay the full time I would have left after year one, but that's okay. Keep going Okay, but again Tennessee state university, of course, you know, we got eddie george. I love eddie george Okay, husband, ohio state. Tennessee state. Tennessee titan, you know, houston orlas my guy Number 27 He is the head coach. He's been a head coach since april 2021 We treat him like he garbage We do not Okay We treat him like a king And because of that we you know a couple weeks ago, we went and played at norterdam, which Is unheard of from hbcu playing in norterdam unheard of I wanted that to be jackson state legacy with deon sanders And it wasn't I blame jackson state But no, I was said that he left I really really was I think um I think oftentimes Because the masses Never get to experience what it's like to like wear the crown or whatever They assume that Being the guy is the easy job Sometimes being the guy is the most difficult job you can have particularly because You get all the blame and under the credit Right, it was it was set up in a way where if they were successful it was Because hbcu's are successful it gets spread out But if they fail it's because deon sanders, right? and to your point, I think if Deon was treated like eddie is being treated at your school He would have stayed the entire five years because I think I think when he came in he And again, i'm speculating but I think he he knew that jackson Was shit. He knew the facilities were trash. He knew that you know, the the the the players weren't up to par Whatever the case may be and I think he sought that out intentionally to Not just prove himself But also set the example that we are not disposable as black people. We don't get to just Turn a blind eye to the worst of ourselves, right? but It only works With the collective effort. There is no jesus. There is no savior In our situation is black people, especially in the modern day like back in the day It might have been a martin or malcom the whole night, but now it absolutely relies on the collective effort Especially now that everybody thinks they're malcom and everybody thinks they're martin And I think over years of experiencing not just the disrespect but the obstacles and also the Minimizing of his impact I would have left after a year Me being honest why and let me make because Because I believe in Covenants, right You uphold your end of the bargain. I'll uphold mine Jackson clearly did not At different levels Jackson clearly did not and deon clearly went above and beyond What he was contracted to do So with that being the case yo after a while like If you're just doing business that way or anything that way you're gonna drain yourself and you're gonna end up being jaded And I don't want to be somebody leader or whatever the case maybe who ends up jaded So I think the best thing he did was leave I would have left sooner But I'm not as great as deon sanders. Let me say this because you know, I have to Sometimes you have to be a little bit more clear for the people. Okay. Yeah I did not say that deon sanders should take disrespect Okay, I didn't say that at all What I said is that when you go to an hbcu you can expect things not to be like a pwi Meaning financial aid is always you're gonna get messed up on financial aid. That's just hbcu Facilities is not the best at hbcu. So these when you go into These black colleges this This is already what you know, what's going to happen or what you're going to see Um, I don't know about him leaving within a year. I think uh, eddie george was on uh shannon shard podcast And eddie was like, you know when I went to tsu, you know, the facilities was needed some work and I knew Going to tennessee state that it's going to be um Some hurdles that i'm going to have to go through and I know this already before I took the head position as the head football coach So he already knew The thing is that he had alumni Um in the city had his back, which I just don't I don't think jackson state did I think on top of that, um Okay, let's let's compare in contrast number one Edgy george was a great player. He wasn't dea sanders Don't don't you don't You ain't got to wait I'm a fan of eddie george. I was an offensive player. I was an offensive player back in the day So i'm not even supposed to like Put deon, but eddie eddie eddie george ain't you know what i'm saying like eddie george Like you could put deon in some people's top five eddie george ain't there. Let's just be real. Number that's that's number one number two number two, um Like you said what Eddie was greeted with at TSU versus what Dion was greeted with at Jackson State, you know what I'm saying? It's not the same, right? So he had a better team, right? Number three, Dion is coming with three children, one of which is a Heisman candidate. Eddie George coming by himself. Who's the son? That's the point. Eddie George Jr., I haven't seen him on nobody list, but the point I'm making is like it was a lot more at stake. I wish Dion would have went to Tennessee State. I wish Dion would have went to Tennessee State. Okay, so here's the thing too, because of this whole debacle, right? And then it just made HBCUs look like we're just horrible and it's just why would anyone want to go to HBCU now? And it just, we struggle so much. And because of this, and because it wasn't kept in home, we put it on the world to see, again, talking shit about our culture. HBCUs is our culture. So we put it out here for the whole world to look at HBCUs as if it's not worthy enough to go to and HBCUs are so bad. No, that's Jackson State. But come on over here to TSU, go to FAMU, go to North Carolina A&T. It ain't the same thing. And I think that's where HBCUs drop the ball, right? Because I think the mistake we make as black people sometimes is when we think about keeping it in house, we typically think about sweeping shit under the rug. If HBCUs had come out and said, this is unacceptable, Jackson State is not operating to an HBCU level. That would have been able to separate HBCUs level of excellence to what Jackson State is doing. Reprimand Jackson State checks and balances within our institutions. The problem is what we tend to do is instead of being able to call out the bullshit that we do, we try to sweep it under the rug and then vilify the person who was actually affected by our bullshit. So even, you know, let's say JSU, they did exactly what they did. But the other HBCUs, Morehouse Howard, said that this is unacceptable. Dionne Sanders, we would never treat you like this. Dionne Sanders, we appreciate what you've done for not just Jackson, but HBCUs as a whole. When Ray Lewis thinks about becoming a coach, he now can separate JSU from HBCUs. But the fact that HBCUs stood in solidarity in the critique of Dionne Sanders being a sellout, that is what's going to run off potential. Absolutely. You think we, you think HBCUs was solidarity? Absolutely. I think what made silence was condoning it. No, y'all, my focus wasn't silent. Y'all, my focus wasn't silent. Jackson was very up in arms, but you didn't hear Morehouse fail me. But I heard people like yourself calling him a sellout generally because you took it as, you took it as he broke up with- I called him in a sellout. Did I? No, I don't think I called him in a sellout. Did I? I got him. I know you do. But you took it as he let down HBCUs, right? You took it as he let down HBCUs. This is an L for HBCUs. How dare, because even at one point, I said nobody knew who the hell Jackson state was. You took it as, well, that means nobody knew who the hell Tennessee state was. And I wasn't saying that, but you were like, you know, HBCUs are a small network and you know this and that. So it was HBCU Pride versus Dionne Sanders at that point, which I think hurts HBCUs. And similarly, I think a perfect example of that or a good way to juxtapose it is like part of the reason why so many men on the Internet gravitate towards the female creators who are calling women out is because we never see that happen. Women are usually standing in solidarity with women's bullshit. Like women aren't making the distinction between this is a standard of excellence that women should operate by. And she did not follow that standard of excellence. Typically it's excuses and it's like, well, she was this and that's why like they gravitate. So because it's like, oh, she's telling the truth. Or similarly, you know, people like Derrick Jackson and some of the pandas. That's why women gravitate to them because they're like differentiating themselves. So similarly, I think we need to be able to check ourselves internally and that doesn't mean we don't act like bullshit doesn't happen. It means that we have the intelligence and we have the honesty to call it out without it being personal. Yes. So now, like you said, though, the women and the Derrick Jackson and they you finally, but the thing is that they don't even hold up to their standard facts. None of them do facts, not a one. So now it's validation. It's just people wanted to get validated by the office. Facts. HBCU's Dion Sanders was their validation. And once he left, they have no validation anymore. And so it wasn't ill. Right. And they were pissed. And that that that's that's why we have to put the ownership on our institutions. We cannot expect one man to sacrifice himself for the greater good. That's not sustainable. And I think that's that's been our issue as a black community. We've been reliant on one man sacrificing himself, whether it was Martin Malcolm, Marcus Garvey, Noble Jewel. We've been so reliant on people sacrificed. And again, the only way it works is if people are shielded by our institutions, right? When when that when that brother who's who's got the gift of gab and he's gonna speak truth to power, who's gonna pay his living expenses? Who's gonna protect like the nation of Islam? That's the only reason Farrakhan is still alive. Who's gonna protect him? But again, we talk so much about the lack of leadership without addressing the fact that we don't have the mechanisms in place to support or protect said leadership or incentivize said leadership. We want this Jesus figure who gains nothing and is just doing it out of the kindness of his heart. And it's not gonna work. Well, any change, it has to be sacrifice. Talk about a Jesus figure was speaking of Jesus. He sacrificed his whole life to save the world. It is sacrifice in order to change in order for this our community to be better. You have to sacrifice something going through an HBCU. Yes, it was a financial huge sacrifice for Dion Sanders. Yeah. And I think a lot of it was like, but we need you. We need we need HBCU. So in order for things to change, you have to sacrifice in order to make relationships work in order to make marriages work. It's a sacrifice. But see, that's the thing. And I think that's that's the reason I wanted to have this conversation. Because I think there's so much overlap with this and relationships like black men and black women. Yeah, because I think sacrifices a consequence. It's not an incentive. Right? If you're if you're selling anything, you're not going to come with I'm selling a Mercedes. I'm not going to talk about the high insurance or the high cost of repair. No, I'm gonna talk about the zero to 60. I'm gonna talk about the curb appeal in a whole nine. But unfortunately, I think as a community, we have man, we have kind of been expected to eat chitlins and enjoy it. Right? Like sacrifice sacrifice is not just expected for us, but we we are encouraged to celebrate it. And then wonder why as we're going into subsequent generations, dudes ain't trying to sacrifice no more. Because again, it's not sustainable. The only thing that's sustainable is quid pro quo. You do this for me. I do this for you. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Part of the reason why some of these men are going overseas, part of the reason what my brother is 19 years old, part of the reason why there's a good chance that he might not end up with a white black woman, even though I'm his brother is because you can only talk that you know, community ship for so for so long. But when he compares his experience to with black girls to white girls, black girls represent sacrifice. And white girls despite whatever sacrifice they might represent. Okay. Despite whatever sacrifice they might represent, there is at least some identifiable benefit. But unfortunately, I think as a community, we're not spending enough time bolstering the identifiable benefits. We're just like demonizing and shaming people for not wanting to be a part of sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice. Okay, you said sacrifice, you think it is a consequence? It's a consequence. Yeah, not an incentive. I think that sacrifice is needed for change. So it's a process as a part of it. So losing weight. I have to sacrifice, giving up my pizza and for the sacrifice. But that sacrifice has an end goal and the end goal is what I'm looking forward to. So you have I don't and that but see, even in that example, the end goal, not only is the end goal worth the sacrifice, it is greater than the sacrifice. Yes. In a lot of these situations, kind of like the Dion Sanders situation, the end goal is not equivalent to the sacrifice. So with Dion Sanders sacrificing a lot to be at Jackson State, the end goal is for HBCUs and our black community in its totality to be better. So but that's a benefit to HBCUs. That's not a benefit to Dion Sanders. So my point is my point is this. We can either continue to appeal to people's higher self or we can appeal to people's sensibilities. And our first rule before we even learn about the 10 commandments as humans is self preservation. So if we want to create institutions that are sustainable, we must be able to intertwine and articulate the incentives with self preservation. So even though this job is going to be hard, you know, you might you might miss out on this that you could get here. But here are the here are the benefits here. Here are the benefits that are clear, that are equivalent at least or definitely greater, right? Like right now, I've probably got to spend the next six months getting a whole bunch of certifications to become a project manager. But when I become a project manager, I could be making multiple six figures. So despite the sacrifice, there is a clear benefit. Like, am I helping my company? Sure. But I'm getting paid. I'm getting paid. Okay, I got there's there's got to be a clear line because again, and this is this, you might not like this, but this is why I hate the be more like Jesus trope. Because Jesus was God, I'm a human. Okay, so so this this idea that humans in mass should be sustainably self sacrificial. You know what that tends to lead to? Bitter people. Because when you get on the other side, even like on a small scale relationships, you're sacrificed, sacrificing, and then eventually you're like, what the fuck did I do all this for? You're gonna be a bitter ass, resentful as person. So instead of us seeking out Jesus in human beings, I think we need to be clear about this is the cost, but this is the benefit. And the benefit will happen if the cost is paid simple, whether it's for men, whether it's for women. So if you if you put in all this work to eat, write and exercise, the result is you're gonna be sex. You're gonna be able to attract better quality people. You're gonna be able to do this, do that, live better, live longer. And I think as a community in general, not just with HBCUs, but as a community in general, we have a great deal of entitlement with each other's sacrifice, yeah, as opposed to being able to clearly articulate. Here's the bigger picture and here's how it will benefit you, whether it's you specifically, your legacy, whatever the case may be. So I get your point. And I think, you know, Dion, him sacrificing a lot to be at Jackson State. The benefit for him, there wasn't necessarily because of what he had to sacrifice, there wasn't beneficiary to him. So I get that in order to make our community better. Yeah. And the sacrifices that some of us have to make as far as volunteering, mentoring, giving back, what would be the incentive if it's not just necessarily because it's not necessarily if I'm doing well, then what would be an incentive to sacrifice anything for the community? I think number one, have you ever heard the saying if poor people get hungry enough they'll eat the rich? Yeah. So, you know, part of the reason why I think men in particular should be concerned about the community is because you can raise your kids as good as you want to raise them. Right. But if the neighbor raises excellent example, your neighbor not mowing his lawn can reduce your property value. Going through that now. Right. So this this individualistic ideal that we have as a community, your neighbor not raising his kid right could fuck up your kid. That could be the kid that molests your daughter. That could be the kid that introduces your son to crack. So, so part of the reason why I think men in particular should be community focused in this and that is not just an altruistic what would Jesus do thing, but it's also very practical. I don't want to I don't want you to fuck up my property value by your bad decision making. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think, I think maybe I'll do a case study about this, but I think altruism is a lie. I think people doing good for goodness sake is a lie. Really? I think absolutely because I think that even if your incentive is to go to heaven, you're doing it for a reason. So instead of us just relying on fairytale reasons or you know, it's the right thing to do, I want it to be practical. I'm doing this because of this and there could be some goodness to it. It makes me feel good as well, but like let's be clear on the benefit on both sides so we can sustain this thing that you're doing or and we can also inspire other people. Right. So with Dr. King, it wasn't that it wasn't that the Edmund Pettus Briggs situation pulled at the heart strings of white folks and made white women cry when they were watching it. No, it was that it made America look bad internationally. Yeah, all of these crusaders of peace. Y'all are the Superman of the world, but it's what you're doing to black folks in your own country. Fuck all that. So again, instead of us spending all this kumbaya time and like time focused on appealing the people's hearts. No, we got to appeal to people's sensibilities and spend more time articulating, clarifying and also cultivating clear win-win situations, whether it's with Deon and Jackson, whether it's a black men and black women, whether it's with relationship. This is what I will do for you. This is what I expect you to do for me. Is this fair? No, it's not. I want more of this or you don't have to do that. And then we can negotiate. But just I'm a good woman just because I'm a good woman. I'm a good man just because I'm a good man. It's not sustainable. Okay, I'm like my big thing is like we give we give ourselves too much credit. People are not as moral as we think. People are not as good as we think. I also don't think people are as bad as we think. But I think what's sustainable, whether we're talking about repairing the black community or whatever the case may be, we have to be on the same page practically because just blackness is not going to unite us. You see the FBA non FBA, you see Africa and all that stuff. That's not there has to be a clear this is how it's going to benefit us as a collective. And I want us to start spending more time having those conversations instead of just my brother this my brother that because when shit flips you the ops now because these white folks that are working together the Berlin conference is a perfect example of that. They started working together after killing each other. But they got to the realization that oh no we can actually make more money together working together. Then we can just fighting over which African country to rape. But as Africans as black folks we think oh I got to like you. Yeah. Oh I got we got to be we got to have had grew up together. You know sandbox and shit like that and it's like yo that's not sustainable. It's not it's not going to work in the long run. And for us to teach our children that they should only do good for goodness sake. That's nice. But when when good becomes blurry. Yeah they need to have a mechanism to be able to make clear and concise decisions that are not just beneficial to other people but beneficial to themselves. So going back to Deion Sanders. Let's talk about it. And so in Colorado so he's getting a steal a lot of heat there. Still from black folks and some white people too. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you think that is now the white people is saying stuff about them. Is it because it's still the black man in his audacity to be prom time. One of my boys says something that I don't even know if he realizes how deep that shit was. He said that shout out to Struggle News Network. He said we're the only ones who don't know it's a race. But we call it. They call it race. It's a race. This is a competition. This is an international competition. And we're the only group who does not do it that way. Wait a minute. Say that one more time. That's a shred of it. We call it a race. The brother said the brother said we're the only ones who don't know it's a race. Yes. That just blew my head. Yeah. I mean what's her name. I can't think of her name. But she talked about it a lot where. Damn. It's going to bother me. Hold on. I've got to put that in my nose. Yeah. No. The brother blew my mind with that one. That is deep. Dr. Francis Crest Wilson. You know she talked about she talked about how Caucasian genetics are inferior genetically speaking they're inferior. And the number one threat to Caucasian genetics are black genetics. Our genes are dominant. There's a recessive. That's not to say black people are better than white people. That's just to say if you add some black to white the white no longer exists after a while. And it's not a conscious fear that white people have but it's an unconscious. I think it's caught. They know. I don't I don't think it's conscious. I think it's an unconscious anxiety. Right. Just like they've been scared that at some point black people are going to rise up and pay them back for all the that's why they were scared of the Panthers. That's why they were scared of the nation of Islam and the whole nine. White people are a global minority. They're the majority in America partly because they pad their stats with like Egyptians and shit like that. They call them white but globally they're the minority. So that creates a deep insecurity. And guess guess who usually has some of the deepest insecurity. The best fighters. One of the most insecure people in the world is Mike Tyson. That's why you should not care about it out. Because the nigga was scared. White people are scared. Now the problem is we as black folks we think that we can appeal to their feelings. And we forget that we cannot appeal to their sensibilities. Their sensibilities to survive. The threat to that survival is me. So whether it's on the football field. Whether it's you know genetically me sleeping with their daughter whatever the case may be. They're afraid of their annihilation. And I think that the quicker black folks can wrap our heads around that. A lot of this stuff won't surprise us. Right. Like they had to at some point when uh the the leagues got integrated. They had to realize that hey black folks are the superior athletes. But guess what we're still on coast the motherfuckers. Now what they got. Now what they got. And now they got a pick at oh he got he got glasses on he's dancing and this is they ain't got nothing else. So instead of us wondering why are white folks. Why do white folks not like Dion. No we need to protect Dion. Because they're not supposed to. They need Lane Kiffin. They need uh the Alabama coach whatever his name is. They need them. Because if if if after the coaching jobs go. Then well black dudes are going to start owning these teams. I was going to say that. Um again where I'm kind of you know again I'm mad about Jackson State. However I support Dion Sanders because now in this new venture that he's doing in Colorado. I said last year they was uh one and eleven and now they three and oh three and oh yeah um. I don't care if that brother don't win another game man salute. He's a legend. And we need to give him all his flowers. Yeah. Because for me and and you know when I was reading about um Frederick Douglass. You know a lot of us know that Frederick Douglass was a prolific speaker in the whole nine. But actually his biggest impact were the pictures that he took. Frederick Douglass is one of the first black men who took pictures like a white man. He looked directly in the camera. He was dressed to the nines. He was regal. He had his shoulders back. His head up. And that symbolism alone empowered and galvanized so many black folks. Yeah. So for me I think the the outside of just you know black excellence being a whole bunch of niggas wearing suits. The symbol of black male audacity. Like I'm gonna do what I'm trying to do and nobody's gonna stop me. I think that is the most powerful tool that we have. And unfortunately this is where the women come in. Well either. Our women have been socialized with the reflex to minimize that audacity. Like I said earlier. Oh you think you look good. Oh oh oh who you think you are. That comes a lot. What you think you that comes from our women. So there are a lot of potential Dion Sanders that never got the opportunity to even have the audacity to dream that big. Because the first place that's supposed to get audacity from. After a father is their mother. Their father gonna give them the genetics but their mother gonna give them baby you can be whatever the hell you want to be. But unfortunately and what's her name. Dr. Joy Dugre she she thinks that it's linked to the plantation with you know black mothers not wanting their sons to stand out so they get sold off. But we have taken it into the 21st century. But we need to start thinking about how we are creating or potentially stifling other Dion Sanders because it's bigger than just him. Yeah and I think the better that we protect him and the better that we celebrate him the more we're incentivizing other potential Dion Sanders whether it's with potential coaches you know the next few years or just in the distant future boys to be like oh no I'm gonna win all these awards I'm gonna do all these great things but just like the San Cofa bird I'm gonna look back I'm gonna find me a Jackson and see what I could do there. I'm gonna find me a Tennessee state and see what I can do there. But if we forget Dion for a second if we drop the ball that is Dion Sanders there will be no other Dion Sanders so this responsibility is on us. I agree and I think it's it's very powerful right now with Dion Sanders because he is a head coach and so if he is successful what does that mean for other huge colleges not even just looking at HBCUs which of course you know I'm going to support but even you know the Notre Dames and those you know the Florida states what would it look like if they start looking at head coaches and black men start getting those positions because you know that we don't. So I've been agreement with you again I support him my feelings was hurt I didn't move on okay now I'm like I want him to do well because now he's a coach and if he does good then that makes it opportunity for other schools to get blackhead coaches and then we not just players now we're running some you know I'm saying and that's why I really want us to start looking at just look this just you want to be a player you want to be a coach you want to own this shit that's why was so big and I love ice cube and his big three I wish that we supported that more start you know getting our talent in black owned places again that's why I was hurt about HBCUs you know but however yeah so I get it you know. I'll say this too I think I think black business you know supports itself with black dollars I think black enterprise supports itself with white dollars too like the goal should be making money from them forever well making money period right right we shouldn't just relegate ourselves to there was a 1.5 trillion that the 15 trillion or something that the that's the black dollar so in these moments when those feelings want to kick in and be like nigga didn't stay the whole five we need to be able to zoom out see the bigger picture and understand that you're Deion Sanders and and that that's where I'm at if if God forbid this man couldn't coach another day in football he needs a BET award NCAA and double ACP award NCAA award the man is good yeah and as black folks we need to be able to celebrate our greatness outside of the purview of white folks because unfortunately what tends to happen because we we we are so terrible at identifying and celebrating our greatness we also only validate ourselves by white acknowledgement of our greatness I'm not a real artist until I win a Grammy I'm not a real actor until I win an Oscar yeah but because we haven't built up our institutions because we are so down uh dug in on critiquing ourselves and we don't know how to acknowledge our greatness we don't like white folks can make uh just a white canvas and they can explain all the nuances and be like the artist was this and we're gonna sell that for $20,000 well black folks you gotta paint the moon the sky heaven and and this and it's still like well my homeboy down the street he could paint it better faster yeah like we are so accustomed and we might call it the dozens or all kinds of shit we're so accustomed to minimizing ourselves and then later down the line wonder why black men or black women or black kids have such an affinity for for communities outside ourselves because that's the first time they could lay their head down and that's our fault that's not theirs yeah so did you see what charlson white was saying about the on sanders yeah charlson white isn't serious charlson white charlson white is a shock jock um so he he says things and i think again he's an indictment on the larger social media space because if he wasn't saying all this crazy stuff he wouldn't have a platform i believe after hearing some of his actual like serious points i think that he's doing it for a greater purpose and he does a lot of community work right he speaks at prisons he does work with kids and things like that so he uses the fame to fund that um at least that's what he's saying i don't know him personally but if that's the case it gives but again i think it still goes back to why do i have to post the worst part or the most inflammatory part of my two-hour conversation for y'all to come over here and watch it right right because we can keep blaming me right or charlson white or we can audit and think as a community why is it that we don't support our intellectuals for being intellectuals mm-hmm like he talks about all the time where like when he was marching and he when he was outside uh the house of of a police officer who just shot a kid nobody was around him yeah but now when he's saying yeah i rate white women and all this bullshit now he's got a hundred and something thousand subscribers and followers and this this and that and making money enough from speaking engagements to fund what he's doing so if that's the case god bless the brother mm-hmm and we can't be so emotional that we allow what shit looks like to distract from what shit is but at the same time we need to get to a point where our intellectuals don't have to cosplay as as are you calling kisses are you calling charlson white an intellectual i think that again if what he when he's been sober-minded and talking because there's some interviews where he's not bull he's not on the bullshit he's just talking if that's true then yes um if it's not true and he's just trying to explain away the bullshit then he's a fool and he's an idiot but again if it's true and he's just you know kind of like um kevin samuels average at best all that stuff if the internet didn't reward that type of behavior i don't know if kevin samuels would have been doing that but unfortunately despite the fact he was on the internet five years before that it wasn't until he took the abrasive position that you start getting clicks and you start getting views and you start getting this so do we blame the restaurant or the appetite do we blame the supplier the demand right so i think there are two conversations like if i met him i can't really say stop doing what you're doing because he's just talking but if he's actually doing the substantive work that he talks about doing then hey i understand it's unfortunate we have to go this route but i get it i don't know how to do that i wish i did but um yeah i think we need to look at ourselves and and question why we force people to have to do the clown bullshit to actually get some traction now what just so i'm clear what did you see or what did you hear that charlson white said about deion sanders i will know we're talking the same thing didn't he say he'll be loose he hope his son get hurt he hope he put out 20 thousand he said i i will be willing to give somebody 20 thousand dollars to hurt deion sanders son yep and this is the intellectual but again like i said um i think this cosplay well i but that's what i'm saying i i think people like charlson white spark three different conversations i think they sparked the conversation of the supply and demand i think that's worth a conversation i think they sparked the conversation of um should we be so easily moved by redrick by words i think that's a conversation yeah and i think the last conversation is what it looks like versus what it is so again because i don't know him personally um for instance there was one time he was talking about some of the work that he does with kids and he said that um part of the reason he wanted to go to prison when he was a kid is because he saw that only the gangsters who came home were celebrated the college kids weren't celebrated when they came home yeah you know he talked about part of the reason why he was so belligerent and bad as a kid is because he wanted some of those male authority figures to go home with him he wanted a daddy right so for for him to to have the ability to on the ground level articulate some of those nuance feelings that boys are having now he has to do all the theatrics to be relevant that's powerful again if it is leading to actual like if he's actually speaking at the prisons and actually working with boys and actually doing rehabilitation programs and all that he's saying then we have to look at why are black folks so triggered by words you could move them this way by saying this move them this way by saying that because that might be the larger uh indictment that he's trying to levy on our community but again it could all be bullshit i don't know but i just think there are those three conversations we should be willing to have as a community yeah i was talking to i got a homeboy play for the writers and i was talking to him about you're doing this with you you know he's a fan of yours um and uh he was like you know dion standards actually um the money that they are giving him i think he's it was like like five million or something he was like um he underbid it himself as far as his contract facts one percent he was like i mean eight merchandise went up 800 percent since he's been there 800 percent yeah 800 percent um his glasses first three days pre sold uh the total five million glasses by itself pre sold in three days so does dion standards know his worth or or have we grown accustomed to a paradigm where black men have to over achieve to be appreciated yeah you do you do that's the question have we grown accustomed to you have to go above and be despite what you deserve whether it's with women whether it's with universities or whatever the case may be you have to go above and beyond because there's some there's some um head coaches right now that their job before that was being an assistant coach did they play past college no but dion sanders despite his resume as a player despite what he did at jackson state despite what he did at high school he's still an unexperienced coach now white folks are clear on why that is because ultimately they don't see you can never be good enough as a black man outside of fucking good and running fast and being strong now are we willing to see ourselves in a lens outside of that because they taught us how to see ourselves too yeah so that's why you know i get so upset and disappointed when we are the loudest voices in those critiques because again i expect them to say grown folks take their glasses off in their hat i don't expect us to say that i expect them to say you didn't finish out your contract you don't finish anything i didn't expect us to say that we were supposed to see the big picture we were we were supposed to see what he was up against we were supposed to see the fact that he's underbidding himself with colorado what the hell was he doing at jackson state i just want to see more deion sanders and i know that it's not going to work if we keep running them off if if if you know like we need to be able to we need to be able to look deion sanders in the face and say that and this is what i thought hbcu's did to students because i spent the summer at more house we need to be able to look them in the face and say that we don't have the best facilities you know you could probably go to a better more a better more known school you know better equipment in the whole nine but guess what they will not be able to treat you half as good as we will so despite our deficiencies we will fight tooth and nail to get you whatever you need and make sure that you know your worth now we're not we tend to take the posture of i'm doing you a favor good man i'm doing you you should be glad that you get to deal with my 20 years of trauma and baggage you should be happy that i'm giving you this this used vagina and and all all all all the issues that now you have to deal with and fixing my my credit and fit you should be happy because i'm a great woman as opposed to saying that despite my flaws that are clear and apparent it's not a secret nobody's gonna go as hard for you as i am because that moves that moves away from entitlement that moves away from entitlement to i let's make a deal because we we do that with corporate america i know i don't check off all the boxes on your job description i know that there's some candidates with master's degrees and doctor degrees but guess what if i don't know the answer to question i'ma find out in 24 hours there you go we understand how to do that there but like for us because we don't see value in ourselves we don't think it's even worth that conversation nigga you should be you should want to be over here mm-hmm you see our band their band ain't like our band that one we didn't say that so that's that's that's my thing whether because even like with this channel that's a question that i get a lot you know since i'm not a fan of passport bros or sysbm some brothers asked me the fair question like do you expect black men to just settle for single mothers do you expect black men to tolerate bad behavior do you expect black men to just sign up for being cursed out in the whole nine or trauma dumped on and i have to articulate that number one no i expect you to do the work so you could find those gems of black women that are out there and exist but number two i want you to be able to see the bigger picture i want you to be able to see that fortunately or or or unfortunately as black people what you do matters to me especially in the context of this country maybe once it's Wakanda you could do your own thing it don't matter but in the context of this country you could fuck up my property value proverbial property value right and we need to care on that level not just the spiritual airy fairy hoity-toity shit that we usually talk about yeah i hear you alan you gotta be on my soap you're you are i'm just i'm just like got me on my soap back so what what are your go ahead i'm sorry well i was gonna say you know we could have had this conversation uh last year this was last year wasn't it wasn't it where did he leave jackson i guess maybe yeah because yeah they know that it was earlier this year because he left jackson after the championship to come to like announce to the players that they were gonna switch stuff up so yeah i think i think it was earlier this year but um so what what what are your final thoughts uh you ain't gonna make me do a three-hour stream i told the people i'm not doing that anymore so what are your final thoughts so we close this thing or not well i mean we talked about a lot um but as far as i with deon sanders you know my my hurt has healed and you know i do see the bigger picture and i support deon sanders i hope he is 11 the 12 and old and i think that he needs he needs to be protected and his sons for sure um now he needs to be protected i am very proud of him i really am so to to further speak to his character you know uh his second son shallow didn't actually want to leave jackson shallow shallow was actually going to stay back yeah and he was going to ride out with the hbc us and the whole nine um but things were so bad that he ended up transferring so again we can continue to single out these people who refuse to be martyrs because i don't want to fucking kill myself marlinda king also said i have no martyrdom syndrome uh um you know we never talk about that aspect of him he literally gave a speech said i want to live a long time but we only focus on the i have a dream and the fact that he ended up dying in the line of duty but like we cannot expect superhuman this from black men we're human and we're looking for peace we're looking for tranquility we're looking for sustainability we're looking for deals that make sense not just for us or or or the the person or the institution that we're giving ourselves to but generally so if we want black men to be on the front lines we want black men how are we rewarding that behavior whether it's women or whether it's black institutions and i think we need to be able to zoom out enough to have those conversations because for us to just continue to lambast and beat down black men oh you won a Super Bowl you didn't win two Super Bowls you got the straight A's you didn't get Dean's list like at some point they could just go and check out and we're seeing it happen with Gen Z yeah these kids are watching how like it's all bullshit you're never going to be good enough so i try you know so if we want to reverse these things we need to save our critiques for our institutions we need to save our critiques for for our groups right and and not be so individualistic in our analysis so the this saturday deion is playing uh i'm not even saying colorado deon deon and his sons are playing uh organ which is uh i think vegas has them 21 because organ is a top 10 school like it is next to impossible for them to win this game i won't be watching i won't be watching yeah i i think it's black folks if we want to see more leaders if we want to see more uh revolutionaries in the whole nine whether on a deion scale on the civil rights scale like we need to support what we want to see more of instead of just critiquing and everybody got something to say but nobody's making the sacrifices nobody's even sat in that seat to know what it feels like you know but uh yeah that's the bigger thing for me um final thoughts cordy i made some notes i'm looking at my little notes but i think i think you covered it i think we covered it i don't think i have nothing else to say oh uh yeah no my final thought is like yeah i support i support i know you thought i didn't appreciate you darling you're proud of me i'm proud of you i'm proud of you i'm proud of you i appreciate you darling thank you so much we're gonna have to do another stream i know i miss you alan poo i miss you too come up with a title or topic and uh we're gonna do it on your channel this time okay whatever you like whatever you like i'll think of something i'll think of something for us to do i'm i'm i'm scared of doing that um i was gonna do a uh revise the review of the whole kirk franklin thing tia son yeah dr tia son he did uh apparently he did something on it and it got removed by youtube so i don't know if they're the movie i mean the it's copyrighted so you can't use the footage so did he show a clip on he's usually pretty good about that so i didn't see it like all i saw was like him saying that it it had been removed so that's why i was kind of wary of it but um i i think that is definitely worth the conversation particularly as it relates to um you know black men and their relationships with their mothers that shit pissed me off that i told you that shit pissed me off i said when i said to you i said i was i literally was i was crying the whole time like tears i was too angry to be sad i test the thing but you remember there was a clip of aiyan le van zandt and it was reminiscent of that to me because there was a mother on there that lied to her two daughters and that their father molested them yeah i remember that yeah and it was a lie yep and she still continued on with the lie so that just kind of reminded me of the cart franklin and the fact that she's could two dna tests and still couldn't admit it you know what what the first thing that pissed me off before that even was his aunt his aunt pissed me the hell off oh what you say i all right that he had because this is this is a 57-year-old grammy award winning millionaire and he is still a little boy in your eyes the action is still treating him like a child oh man oh man and but and again we have to tell the truth that's unique to us that's unique to us that's unique to us white white i mean at the same time is that is it unique to black men or is that how mothers treat their sons as they travel all the time because i think i think i think there's a little bit of that but i think that extend is unique to us i think um white white mothers on average um again because there's also not that deficit of masculine energy um she knows how to allow her son to transition in a way that i don't know if black mothers know right um so yeah i i think we we're going to have to address that you gotta talk about it yeah that's it that's it pissed me off but anyway let me let you go we we coming on two hours and 30 minutes let your Courtney we'll talk later soon okay i love you boo thank you for having me this was awesome honey bunny i enjoyed it i think there's some gems here yeah all right i'll log it off all right now as always appreciate y'all for 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