 What kind of world do I want to live in? I think about this question a lot. For our generation and for specifically my group of people, which is refugees, the circumstances might dismantle any vision of the future that we have. You're trying to rebuild, you're trying to make a future for yourself and then the climate-related disaster comes and you start again. It's not about how it's affecting you now, it's about how it's affecting you your entire life. The first step to understand is that we're all a part of it. None of us are going to be left out by the crisis. We're at a stage where if we don't act now, there won't be very much left. There are generations that will never see certain things that we grew up seeing in real life. We have to start treating this like the emergency it is to achieve the 17 sustainable development goals. We have to go from an intention to a serious commitment. Business leaders really need to rethink how they conduct their business and invest in creating systems that are climate-friendly. The action I would like to see is accountability. Structures being put in place where countries aren't just asked to do something but they're kept accountable to the decisions that they make. There has to be that strong collaboration between government, between corporations, between youth activists to drive change forward. The world I would want to live in is a world where imagining the future is not a privilege. I want to live in a world where people do not give up on hope. Hope that a positive change is possible. The fact that you're listening today means that you are willing to make a change. Hello everyone. Thank you for coming and viewing us here for this important session on Building Sustainable Food Value Chains in Asia. And as we all know, food is a very vital issue for us. But the way we've been managing it all this while has been very imbalanced. We actually produce enough food for everyone. But even today, one in 10 people don't have enough and more than 3 billion people cannot afford a healthy diet. At the same time, we end up wasting nearly a third of all that we produce. Current food systems need a change. They've become unsustainable from an economic, social, environmental point of view. And they're also very vulnerable to extreme weather events. What we also know is they are also responsible for nearly a third of the global greenhouse gas emissions. What the world needs is a more resilient and a robust food system so that we can ensure food security for many more people. I just found a report by the World Bank which said that nearly 272 million people are facing food insecurity. That's a very high number that we ought to be thinking about. So joining me today is a very esteemed panel. Let me just share with you quickly and I'll tell you more about them shortly. I have with me Dr. Naoko Ishii, Secretary General Jockoil Lim. I have three business leaders, Mr. Wurgis, Pakusoto, Uncle Sobroto. I hope I have set your name right. And we have Ms. Carrie Chan from Hong Kong. Let me tell you a little bit about each one of them. So Dr. Naoko Ishii is Professor and Director of the Center for Global Commons at the University of Tokyo. She has been Deputy Vice Minister, Vice Finance Minister of Japan. And she worked with the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and the Harvard Institute for International Development. Dr. Lim was Brunei's permanent Secretary at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. And he's been involved in discussions for the ASEAN Economic Community as well as several free trade area discussions. I have with me Mr. Sunny Wurgis, he's co-founder and Group Chief Executive Officer of Olam International, a leading food and agri-business headquartered in my home country, Singapore. And Olam today operates in over 60 countries delivering various agricultural raw materials and food ingredients to over 25,000 customers. And Mr. Wurgis is also the Chairman of the Human Capital Leadership Institute here. Also on our panel is Ms. Carrie Chan, Chief Executive Officer with Awant Meads from Hong Kong. They're doing some amazing work in the area of research. And besides being a seasoned leader, she is a passionate environmentalist herself and has a keen interest in the diet of our planet. Personally, I'm also keen to know more about the work she's doing, especially in the area of coming out with fish-related products. And we have about Pusoto Anco Subroto from Indonesia. He's the Chairman of Gunung Sevo Kanchana. It's an investment with a focus on agri-businesses, property development and financial services. Thank you everyone for making time for today's discussion. Just a note for our audience. If you want to leave any questions, please leave it in the chat box and it'll be relayed to me. And I'll try and make time to take as many questions as possible with our esteemed panelists. Dr. Eshi, allow me to begin with you. Food system emissions represent nearly a third of all GHG emissions. And they're also a major factor for the loss of biodiversity and have a severe impact on the Earth's environment. How do you assess where does the region system stand in the global environmental crisis? And also, what is the pathway to bring about a change so that we can work towards a better future for all of us? Thank you, Safari, for the great question. Yesterday, you clearly stated that we were in global environmental crisis. And as you already said, that food is a major threat, major reason why we are in this environmental crisis. But at the same time, if we were able to transform this food system, this provides a fundamental solution to the global environmental challenge, as well as actually another challenge of increasing social division or social vulnerability. So the food system can do a lot. Going back to your question about what is especially the Asia place in it. The Asia, as all of us already know, is home to 50% of the global population. And actually, we are increasing and also with the bathroom in the middle class. So by 2030, 3.5 billion middle class we will have. So with the source of the growth and the technology and the innovation, we have a huge stake to actually dictate which direction we will be going to. Actually, we will actually, unfortunately, accelerate this downward spiral to the whole house, as a tragedy, or we can save ourselves and to save the world. So that the Asia's role is extremely important in transforming the food system. Another important thing about the Asia is that the Asia embraces one of the richest natural capital resources. You look at the rainforest, the land and the wetland, the water, the oceans and the key ecosystems. So what we can do with those in the ecosystem and the natural capital also play a very significant role, so that we Asia as a producer and also the consumer of food, but also a guardian of the very important natural ecosystems, which provide a lot of service to our sustainable development. So to me, the fundamental solution to transform the food system is how to put a price on the natural capital on which the food systems so heavily revise the rice. Right now, the problem is that the natural capital is treated as more like a free good so that we use and we waste it as much as we want as a free good. But we are facing the consequences of this free good and the perception. So if we were able to recognize that the value of the natural capital along the food chain from production to distribution to consumption, even to the waste, we should be able to transform the food system entirely. So the good news is that the world is actually seeing a lot of initiative. The most children are actually sponsored by the business circle, how to value, how to measure those natural capital and how to consistently import. So if we were able to make it happen through the entire value chain of the food, we will see that the completely different food system in the future. It cannot be done without leadership, leadership of Asia. Not only the political leadership, but the business leadership, the leadership of the consumer and the producer and the leaders' citizens. So we do have a lot of hope and a lot of responsibility as Asian to transform the food system and to save us and to save the world. Back to you, Sylvia. Sure. I think you brought up some very important points. We have to take a holistic approach. Yes, we should focus on the entire ecosystem. That's the best way to be addressing the issue. And the stakeholders, the leadership that is vital. It is just so pertinent. I suppose we should be deep diving, but let me first draw in the views of everyone. Dr. Lim, if I can go to you. Agriculture, as we all know, is such a significant contributor to the GDP of this region. And while it is a major industry and it employs so many people, it still puts a burden on the environment. So what are your thoughts? What are your suggestions? And how can the region build a sustainable and resilient food system while still keeping it a very pivotal industry of this region? Also, if you can share some ASEAN's policy suggestions in this regard or the work that is going on, it will be great. Thank you. That's a good question. ASEAN is projected to grow around average 0.77% from 2020 to 2035. I think this is therefore ensuring a sustainable and resilient food system will be very important for the region. Having said that, I think we recognize that food production increase can also have a multiple impact on environment such as greenhouse gas emissions, water resources, biodiversity, etc. ASEAN therefore needs a strategy to meet the needs of the growing population while ensuring that this is in line with the regionals goal of sustainable development and also at the same time increase production and provide employment to the rural and to the urban area. various initiatives are currently in place in ASEAN to promote sustainable and resilient food system in the region. This includes, we have a vision and strategy plan for ASEAN cooperation food in agriculture forestry 2016 and 2025. The ASEAN regional guideline for promotion smart agriculture practices. Third is the multi sectoral framework on the climate change and agriculture forestry towards the food and nutrition security and achieving a sustainable development goal. And also the ASEAN declaration of the strengthening of the adaptation of drought. But given the importance of the issue we are working on three additional important initiatives to further boost the region's food security, food safety and food sustainability. First, the development ASEAN guideline on sustainable agriculture. This is one of the key initiatives under the ASEAN comprehensive recovery framework which is the region exit strategy to the COVID-19 pandemic. Second is the study on the use of agriculture, agrochemical agriculture production to further ensure that safety to our consumer and protect and the health of the farmers and environment. And finally, I think we have also currently promoting nature based solution to address important global challenges such as climate change, degradation of land and marine ecosystems. The initiative will help support the regions in identifying opportunity and how to integrate and enhance the uptake of nature based solution in our cooperation in food agriculture and forestry. We are also working towards having engaged in the technology, especially digital technology for sustainable agriculture. And further our people in the agriculture forestry area are looking at co-change management, how we can develop that system in such a way it will help to increase productivity and to the market as well as to the consumer. So that's the initiative that ASEAN is undertaking. We realize that to keep the area sustainable, we need to do a lot of technology application. Thank you. Great. You've shared very candid comments and clearly while a lot is going on, a lot more needs to be done, given what you stated right at the beginning that ASEAN is looking to grow by 77% in the coming years. So we're living in a region that is going to see a lot of change. But Mr. Varghese, let me turn to you with the twin crisis that we are facing right now. We have the pandemic on one hand and on the other hand, it's the climate change crisis. I'm still trying to figure out between the two which one is going to be more impactful, but I think it will be climate change. And I want to ask you, in the current circumstances when we see movement, restrictions in place, border controls, would you throw some light on the challenges you're facing to your business? And are there opportunities as well? Also if I can add in, do you see yourself transforming the business model in the coming years that you've been following so far? Thank you, Shafali. I think the impact of the pandemic at COVID-19 because of the nature of the crisis, like in our face, very tangible, very discernible. And our response times have to be in days, weeks, months, if you have to tackle the crisis and survive. Whereas climate change on the other hand is more distributed dangers, which are cumulative and gradual in nature. And therefore getting people to act on climate change today for a slightly more forward or distant benefit is the real existential question of our times. COVID we have acted because we know that we might die if you don't act today. Whereas climate change is not as tangible and discernible, so it is a little bit more distant in the future. So really trying to understand the challenges of COVID and climate change on food and agricultural production with particular reference to Asia, I think is useful for us to understand. Firstly and foremost, we've already seen significant food price inflation as we're all experiencing when we do a grocery buying that between January 2020 and July 2021, according to the World Bank, food price inflation is about 40%. And it doesn't stop in July. In August we have seen further increases in food price inflation with corn prices going up 16% and wheat prices going up 12% and so on and so forth. And this disproportionately affects the poor people because their consumption expenditure, the food consumption, out of the total consumption expenditure is very high. And as a result of food price inflation, they're impacted. And because of COVID, their incomes anyway declined. So according to the World Bank, about 99 million people have been added to the below $1.90 poverty line definition just between 2019 and 2020. So you've already got impaired incomes, lots of jobs, and then you've got high food price inflation. And for consumers who've got large percentage of the consumption basket spent on food, they are in a real crisis. And that is why the World Food Program has said that between 19 and 20, the number of people who are acutely hungry, which means level C stage of food insecurity, that means they cannot survive without external food assistance, has doubled from 2019 $135 million to 2020 $270 million. So that is the first direct challenge. The second challenge that we are seeing is because of COVID and all of the supply chain disruptions, whether it's availability for on-farm workers, the cost of people to come out of the farms and the social distancing and the other precautions that need to be maintained, cost of production is going up. In the logistics supply chain, there are many bottlenecks in terms of food congestion, the availability of workers and labor in the food, their productivity as a result of all of these security-based restrictive conditions that we have have all disrupted the supply chain. I think a good example of looking at what climate change, COVID coming together, thus for the supply chains and food and ag in Asia is to take the example of rats. There are 144 million farmer households that are engaged in rice production. 95% of them are in Asia. A significant part of that is also women. Unfortunately and tragically, 90% of the Asian rice farmers live at or below the poverty line, less than $1.90 a day. If you look at the difference between the minimum poverty line income of $1.90 per day versus the fair living income in those countries, the minimum poverty line definition is only a third of what is the fair living income those farmers need to access a decent quality of life. Yet rice farming accounts for 16% of all the greenhouse gas emissions in agriculture, 10% of its methane emissions, a third of the fatty that is produced is lost on the farm and post harvest. At 3.5 billion people in the world, 20% of the world's calories comes from rice. 3.5 billion people in the world consume rice. We need to increase rice production by 15%. According to IPCC, rice production will decline by 15% by 2050. How are we going to square this off? So these are coming together. We have spent $27 trillion in fighting the COVID pandemic. And we have realized that not being prepared to deal with the COVID pandemic has cost us 10 times more than what it would have been if he prevented and preempted and there were enough warning signs that a pandemic is likely to hit us. Right. We're not similarly doing anything about climate change or not enough about climate change because we will deal with the prices when it happens at 100 times more cost than trying to do and deal with it today. Actually, everything you've said is reason why all of us need to really work together and come out with pertinent solutions. I don't know even if solution is valid, but there's clearly a lot for us to do to be able to address the core issue. But let me bring in Ms. Chan from Avant Meets into the discussion. And I want to draw your attention to the technology factor. As we all know, the fourth industrial revolution is bringing about a big change in the way we work and operate. Could you sort of share your thoughts on how technology can play a bigger role in being able to allow all of us to build more sustainable and resilient food systems? Yeah, definitely. So we work on a solution whereby we explore a new way to produce meat and animal protein. The reason being that we heard about the challenges of the distribution of the food for animal meat, we're actually using one-third of the crop that is produced globally, using one-third of the clean water. It's actually going to animal agriculture. If we look at the conversion of the animal feed to the meat product, if we put in 100 units of the calorie into the animal feed, we only get about 10 to 15 units of the calorie in terms of the meat product that we consume. So if we look at the efficiency rate about 10% to 15%, it means a lot of wasteage. So if you ask ourselves if our cars are actually not efficient in using the field, actually 80% are actually not used in driving the car, moving forward, we will wonder what is the problem there, what can we improve? What we want is actually try to remove the animal as the middleman between the natural resources like the crops and the meat product that we want. The technology coming from the bioprocess which has been very well practiced in the medical and pharmaceutical field. What is started is actually very similar to bioprocess of making yogurt. They start with a self-cultured, like a culture-starter culture in this case. We pick some cell from a living animal biopsy. We produce a very healthy and continuous growing small population of the cells, and then we feed them the nutrient, no different from what we need to consume like glucose and amino acid vitamins, minerals, and give them the right temperature like pH level and 34 to 37 degree Celsius in a vegetable like making yogurt. And then in a much shorter time, we can get the animal protein and the meat that we want. Using this way, we can reduce the use of the resources to produce the meat product. Also, it also contributes to what we talk about in terms of biodiversity. In the case of fish, for example, we do not need to catch more fish. So the fish can actually continue to regenerate and replenish themselves in the ocean. Using this method, we can also address the problem of the long supply chain for some of these meat products. So we do not need to centralize the production in a farm and then fly them around to different parts of the market. We can actually produce locally for the local market, also reducing the carbon footprint. Last but not least, the production cycle, in this case, depending on the meat type, is only about one to two months time. So it versus a few years for beef as well as about nine months to 12 months for fish. It is actually a lot more shorter and speeding up the process in a way that we can have a more efficient way and also stable supply of the meat protein for the population concerned. Great, you know, the work you're doing is so fascinating and I really want to probe in terms of, you know, will consumers take to it? Would you want to give a quick reply? I do want to bring in Baku Sudo into the conversation. Yes, very quick. I think that we received, you know, independent kind of survey, different markets. Indeed, a lot of the consumers nowadays realize that, you know, the challenge with the food supply chain and the security of the food meat supply as well. So similar to other technology adaptation, we definitely see, you know, the earlier technology adapter like 20, 30% up to 50% people, very willing to up to trying this kind of new product. It is actually more so in Asia. One of the research showed that roughly about, you know, 50% of people in China that responded to the survey actually very open up to this new tech food as well. So we are definitely seeing an encouraging sign from that. That's really good, Divya. Baku Sudo, you know, we discussed the twin crisis with Mr. Varghese, but I wanted to get your views on that very issue too. And if you could share your thoughts on the business transformation that needs to happen, like, you know, what are the stages where we definitely need to bring about significant change? Is it production? Is it distribution? Your thoughts, please. Yes. Thank you. I think it's mainly production and to some degree is distribution. The production is that as agricultural companies, we want to increase yield. And reduce using chemical. Actually, those two objectives is not in conflict, is actually incongruent. Because the use of chemical will generate soil degradation and the productivity once upon a time many years ago, 10 over years ago, we realized that the soil quality is actually getting worse and worse because we just use too much chemical. So the idea is to reduce it. The reduction is actually improve the soil quality by using more organic material. And therefore, the cycle that we use is that we grow pineapples. We have about 33,000 hectares. And the skin, the pineapple skin, is used for feeding stock to the cattle. So we have about 20,000 hectares at any given time that would eat those pineapples' skin. And then the cycle again, the manure will be put back to the field for composting and the liquid manure would go for biomass. We would be able to generate about one megawatts of capacity. So it's the concept of zero waste. Increasing productivity yield, reducing greenhouse gas emission, which we managed to reduce from 2013, is about 30% of our carbon footprint. And using less chemical and have a complete recycling. As far as the distribution, because Indonesia is such a also quite spread out. We work with farmers, with small holders. We teach them how to grow bananas in different markets so that we don't have to transport domestically so far distant. So it's a small of farms for particular markets. So that's what we are doing at this moment. And also part of the natural capital that the professor was saying is water. And what we do is we build close to 300 lagoons. We capture rainwater. In the past, we used deep well. To water the plant in the dry season. Now we actually has 70% sufficient to use surface water from the rain capture, rain harvest. So those are the things that initiative that we do. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I'm so keen to know more. You're one of the world's largest producers of pineapple based products. So, but we're actually running a little bit behind schedule and as I begin my second round of questions, I'd like to just request you to just keep it limited to be able to allow you to convey the key points. That's a limb if I can turn to you. We all know that the region is a major producer and exporter of so many products. Palm oil, crude rubber, rye sugar and so much more. What kind of policies do you think are really needed at various levels to allow us to strengthen the food chain system that we have? Yeah, we really believe in the important of building fair and resilient food change. And we undertake several initiatives that are aimed towards achieving this objective. I think first we have invested a lot of efforts and further strengthening regional approaches to responsible and sustainable investment in food agriculture and forestry. One example is the launching of the ASEAN guideline for promoting responsible investment in food agriculture forestry to ensure that the investment culture meet the global standards as well as promote responsible sustainable development. This guideline is designed to attract greater inflow of foreign direct investment in the region and take into account varying situation responsibilities especially of small-holders, farmers, MSME, large-scale agriculture enterprises. Second, we also encourage our MSME to take up role in the food chain value change. This year alone, one of the key priorities under the Brunei chairmanship is to develop ASEAN framework to support food agriculture forestry for small producer, cooperative and micro small and medium enterprises. This framework intended to facilitate policy formulation and to manage and promote small producer cooperative. At the same time, it will also improve ASEAN competitiveness and ensuring that the food product will produce international standard. Third, we are committed to address the issue of non-tariff measures which is very important and critical in the food and agriculture product. As part of our efforts to address the impact of COVID-19 pandemic, we have adopted the supply change connectivity agreement under the Hanoi Plan of Action. The objective is to make sure the free flow of goods, essential goods, transit, especially in the long term and to further strengthen supply change connectivity under this initiative. MOU was signed last year. ASEAN members did agree to eliminate the imposition of NTM for 152 essential goods, mainly mostly on medical equipment and medical supplies. And this year, we further expand the list to 107 items which include food, agriculture product. This is essential to make sure there is a free flow of this product to ASEAN members during the pandemic. In addition to this, we have also launched the NTM tool kit to facilitate the reviewing of NTMs applicable to immediate inputs which are critical in the value change product. I think these are a few initiatives that will enhance our food and agriculture industry in the region. Thank you. Absolutely. I have so much more to ask you, but I hope all of the policy measures and initiatives will have a big impact down the line. But we have a question from the member of the audience and I'd like to draw the attention of our business leaders here. The person is asking what happens to the jobs of farmers and the rest in the food supply chain? They are definitely a very crucial component of the food supply chain. Would you like to shed some light on that? I mean, things are changing. There is the technology dimension. There is the whole issue of tackling the greenhouse gas emissions. But what happens to the jobs of farmers and the rest in the food supply chain? If you look at the small-holder farmers, I believe there are two different production systems globally for food and air. One of the small-holder farming systems and then we have the large-holder mechanized, large-scale farming systems. It's a false choice to say it is one or the other that will survive. In many countries, the mode of farming will be small-holder farming. So what is important in order to have small-holder farming systems prosperous and transcend the current poverty trap that they are in with most of the small-holder farmers living below the poverty line, is to really improve small-holder farm productivity. So at OLAVIA, for example, launched initiative called GIVA, a farmer services platform, a smart small-holder farming system which through machine learning and AI, helps to provide crop care nudges or agronomic advice to the farmer in terms of the next best action that he or she can take on a farm based on very contextualized and personalized advice based on the topography of the farm, the soil conditions of the farm, the microclimate of the farm in terms of what is the next best action that the farmer can take. We think it will dramatically catalyze small-holder farm production. In addition to providing them crop care advice, we also provide them inputs. We also provide off-take services for their output. We also provide credit scoring and microfinance support to the farmers. So I think we need initiatives that can actually catalyze farmer livelihoods. So that's one piece. The second thing that we have done is develop a sustainability insights platform for our customers because most of the transformation of the whole value chain end-to-end to become more sustainable to achieve system transformation, you need the power of the consumer and the customer. So with the customers, we are offering them now sustainability insights through a digitally-enabled dashboard on 10 key sustainability topics. We have more than 350 metrics that measures farmers' living income to the greenhouse gas intensity of our production to say whether the granular traceability that we have put in place allows us to source from farms of farmers where there is no child labor or forced labor practices, that it is deforestation to supply chains or nature-positive supply chains. So that is another initiative. And that initiative is a proprietary to OLAM. We have now decided to externalize it and commercialize it and make it open source. And we've now got a co-creation team of multi-stakeholders about a dozen stakeholders from the production side, from the customer side. NGO Civil Society have now come together to create this sustainability platform as a reference industry platform across the sector. Great. Pakasudu, would you like to comment? You deal with thousands of people. Yes. So our program is working with small holders. It's actually rather on experimentation at this time. I cannot claim we are doing well in all sectors and the numbers is in the thousand, not in the 10 thousands. And it has been successful, particularly in two areas. One is the cattle feed lot and cattle breeding. And the other one is a small holders that we do for growing bananas with the small holders. We managed to uplift the income of the farmers probably two to three times from the minimum wage so that farmers don't have to go out of their farm and work in the city to become construction workers. So it's not happening now because of COVID, but so they actually work quite well today. They are all going back to their farmland. And also we help our facilities to improve productivity yield. But farming farmers in Lampung area, in East Lampung, productivity is about 8 to 10 tons per hectare. And we are experimenting today. We are teaching farmers how to and we have some result that they could grow up to 30 tons per hectare. So it's showing some early result and we buy those products back because we guarantee if they don't harvest early because if you harvest early the starch content is very low and that's what they normally do. So if we talk to them if you can keep it up to maturity up to the optimum level you will get a better price. So we are working also with the local government. I think we are trying to, we haven't been successful to work with local government is to create an extension for the local government to be trained by us so that they can go back to so we participate in the government capacity building so that the government the local government could help the region to build their capacity. So that's on the on the experiment stage now that we are doing. We can't hear you. The mic seems to be not working on Shafali Sayo. Okay, sorry about that but Dr Ishii let me slip in a quick question. Japan imports nearly 60% of its nutritional needs now, can we do we need to make about major changes to manage the supply chain part of it? Yeah, absolutely. I just want to put a globalization aspect in this very exciting conversation because it's very important 60% of the food and when we measure that the environmental impact of those external the aspect it will be the very striking fact that we are quite okay internal domestic production side on the biodiversity land and water but when we introduce the spillover impacts through the trade and the importation that our measure our score completely changes and we realize that we destroy a lot of natural chapter through this importation and that we are waking up with this fact and there is a growing interest of the consumers and the retailers, the supermarket the trading companies how we can actually clean up to make our body much more sustainable. So that's why I emphasize in my opening that it's extremely important to visualize and to make this environmental cost the value of natural capital visualize it and then pass it from production to consumption so that we are able to provide those information to consumers. Somebody mentioned that we need to actually employ the consumers power but for consumers to act on they need the information that's very, very important. I was just listening to Sani's sustainability platform that I hope that can also reach to the consumer beyond the borders so that we can be a part of this challenge and I'm a little worried about this COVID-19 somehow put that argument just to promote local production local consumption without really thinking how to make the entire value chain much more sustainable so what I fully understand the importance of this small holder farmer's sustainability and livelihood we also want to make sure that the entire value chain that we will have the right information to be passed so that the entire value chain can be transferred. We need to look on the price of natural capital but the human and the societal capital. Back to you. Thank you. Thank you. I think you brought up a very key factor the role of information and I think perhaps the biggest learning that we need to share is that it's very important to have conversations and perhaps many more such conversations not only at the international level but at national level we need to actively engage the farmers, the traders people in the businesses to be able to share best practices whether it is in the production in the distribution or also with consumers there will be some resistance to taking to the new changes that are happening but we really need to go out and deal with it so the role that conversation plays is very very important I'd like to thank all of you once again for taking time out to join me for this panel and I wish you all the best for all the work you're going to be doing. Thanks again.