 So welcome to our talk to young to rock and roll and to contribute This talk will be about raising a bit of awareness to those who either develop free software or give legal advice to people developing free software because there is one target group or user group that has Bigger difficulties to overcome legal obstacles in using and contributing to free software then any adult has and The first part of the talk will be held by my young colleague Nils Yeah, so So first something about us the Tech it's We are the probably only free software youth organization and we're based in Germany, but we're working internationally The Tech it's e-file is run by children, which is very important for us And yes, we are doing technical workshops around force based on the peer-to-peer system For example, we did the frock labs At the frost con and bottom in the west of Germany And our goal is to build up a force community among children and to connect children schools and first projects So now something about me. I'm Nils reddick. I'm 13 years old From during in Germany. It's in the west of Germany like bond And I'm a student at the Stiftisches Gymnasium during my interests are organizing events with your and audio editing and I go swimming. I'm playing the piano and I do Wing Chun My goal is to create a force community for children and to help children share their opinion And a few words about me. I'm Dominic or Nick for short the founder of Tech it's Evie Yeah in my day job, I am a system administrator But I had to take it so my goal is to yeah build a growing and hopefully Sometime very big community around free software among children and not only that but also Integrating children in the larger free software community First we have tools and use as Computer science classes for example IDEs like scratch green food or Tommy and Editor software it etc Then we have tools and use at other classes for example audio and imagine software like audacity mu score or GIMP Then we have web and web browser it etc. Also we have ins and other fun stuff because Because services are an important part of the privately life privately So Free software can be used for a lot of stuff free software can be used for teaching programming Free software based on contributions. So free software can be used to teach programming I contribute Do that we need services Don't discriminate minors and where our minors are part of the community The students if they would like to get a chance to change the software they use for their selves and others and 83% could imagine contributing I mean it doesn't mean that they would really contribute but they can imagine and I think that is That proves enough that we need such services which don't discriminate minors So our conclusion here is that free software that has children as a car target group either by intention or by Coincidence should be aware of that and should be open to the young folks Okay, thank you Nils We already had have heard something about meter teaching. I want to elaborate on this a bit more. This is working So we regularly see in our workshops where we have 20 or 30 children sitting around and they start taking on a project like like a mini video game or something like that and The tools we use some of them are developed by our Organization itself we but some are also developed by Hey Drop it. I apologize that the wire in the mic is not Okay Better Okay So all right, and then they wanted to they had like a bunch of 300 items in an inventory and they said so if I have to loop over this and drop all the items from the inventory then this gets very slow can't I just do drop all items or something and No, they couldn't because the framework didn't allow it and Half an hour later They were already a bit used to using git and stuff like that and half an hour later We had a patch along this allowing to do this and all the teams were able to use this new feature and This is very cool at least in my opinion, but there are some things that Can get difficult for children you all know when you use some free software or contribute you read the license terms you Maybe look at the license terms of the bills tools you use or you just trust in a third a third party like Debian or something that they only include free software You know and there might be a contribute contribute to agreement and then which has become more and more important during the last years There are terms of use Of some platforms that I use there might be a CI platform and then there's the development platform where the git repository is hosted and where issues are tracked and all stuff like that and At the end of the day you have like a stack of legal documents that you have to go through or you just ignore Yes, you do Okay, yeah But every adult has the chance to read this maybe understand it Maybe ask the legal deaf room to help them understand it and in the end they can decide whether they agree or they don't A child might also be able to decide whether they agree or they don't but they cannot click that agree button because they are not legally allowed to do that They can get your parental consent for some things yeah, but Many commercial platforms are based in the USA and in the USA there is this thing called copper the child online privacy Protection Act and It is a bit outdated in my opinion and it is really really difficult to apply and understand Just to align you with the outdatedness of this thing if you want to send parental consent to an Internet service provider you have to send a fax and Put your signature on it. Yeah Okay But this thing says if you provide an online service that should that shall be used by children under the age of 13 years then You must never ever add features like selling premium features or Raising any private any private data from them now a Major platform for git repositories based in the USA has a term in the terms of use saying All children under 13 years you have to stay out and They blame this on copper Personally, I don't think they have to they said they say the lawyers told them they have to This is very difficult. So I Have to get up with my slides here. Sorry. Okay What we wish you to do when you choose your tools and platforms and licenses Please check them for everything that Might not be only a question of taste or ethics But also whether all the people that use your software and might be contributors Can understand it and are legally able to agree to it and that they don't Discriminate against any age group When we when we we try very hard to not discriminate against religion ethnicity gender all all that stuff But there's also discrimination against age groups. I'm not saying that they do this intentionally, but this happens It might also not look like a major issue because it's hard to imagine that people as young as that Will ever do a valuable contribution to software, but they do Please try to imagine that they actually do and that they want to have the possibility to do so I Want to quote from drum law. I translated this if there is a lawyer in this room and I translated it wrong Please don't listen a minor requires parental consent for any declaration of intention that contains not exclusively legal benefits This is from German laws, but it might be a good guideline when you check Terms for applicability to children if there is anything in this that touches a legal rights that you normally have like copyright personal rights if these terms cut these rights and Ask you to to drop some of them Then this is not accepted then minus cannot legally accept these terms It is very hard to find services that Do not have such terms. It's very hard But if we all try and we all Maybe try to convince people to be more open to that which is also reason why we are talking to you Also, we are not really into legal topics I Think we can get on a very good way to that Okay, so please keep in mind that there might be contributions Contributors to whom drawbacks in terms of use or licenses are not a question of taste or ethics But of legal possibilities So please keep these obstacles as low as possible if you can Yeah Okay For those of you who are teachers or no teachers There is a service called it again. This is a shameless advertisement because we operated ourselves because that is neat This can be used in classes the terms of use are so simple that you can spontaneously skim them read them with the students and They should be acceptable to by everyone So if you are looking for such a service, you might want to try this. I also checked the new salda service from Debian Looks okay as well, but obviously they don't Allow experiments, but only real free software projects not something that you do in In class or anything Okay Yeah I'm now showing a slide that you might want to take a photo of or look up later when we upload the talk I'm not really sure whether I am Allow to show it here if you have any way to support us and like the idea of supporting children in the foster community There are some ways to do this so Yeah, we and especially the children and organization are very happy if they can attend more free software conferences and share our ideas with the world I Am removing this slide in three seconds. It's one of the last slides in case I get thrown out or something Okay, also, please a plot to our sponsor Taren to enabled the children There's also Philip who gave another talk in the RTC deaf room. We enabled them to come here and Yeah, thank you for listening What are Some experiences you have made or thoughts you had about this topic if there If there are any any questions from your side And maybe Yeah Yes, thank you so the idea was that the laws That's prohibit children to accept some legal terms are made to protect them and I Don't know whether I got you right, but I think the baseline was that we should in general try to Keep the obstacles very low and maybe also try accepting patches and issues in other ways that do not need such consent Right like by mailing lists and stuff like that Yes, it has Those are Those are designed to be acceptable by minors. They are Longer than I wish them to be but they contain even for the simple stuff. They contain enough explanation for example, we need a date of birth because Most Niklas what is a Jugendamtkort in English the child protection officers require us to track Because we allow access to adults and children and we have to track Who is a child and who is not and we need to collect the birthday for this and Of course, we give an explanation that is Understandable for parents and children to that but apart from that the terms of use are designed to be understandable and acceptable I know that kids get that idea because Yeah So so so the question was if I think that Kids understand that idea with software freedom and free software I know that kids understand that because for example in my class There are kids Which think are free software. It's great and in other classes of members of the tickets are To in their classes, which Understands those this free software and I think That if children don't understand that software freedom that they should that that they Should understand it. So we should do something that children understand those this free software because Maybe then There will be Legal terms too We don't but there's some ticket in our okay Should make t-shirts with that The question was whether we have advice for projects and for conferences in order to help People bring their children to conferences and to design legal terms that allow that. Yeah We don't actually have this in written form. There's some ticket in our Endless OTRS system about that to create such texts But what we do is when we find things that are difficult we Do I have to get up If we find things that are problematic for children we try to communicate with the people with more or less success last year We actually did something that did not Make us very famous with many foster visitors because we criticized the Free beer booth that actually handed out beer to our children And we asked them to maybe Put a bit more control on that Okay, any more questions do you see anything because you know I'm So the question was that in an education Is the the idea that copying is a bad thing not only copying but reusing and remixing things like I'm not sure what aspects you mean probably that every student has to do their have to put their own ideas in in works and Working together with others and sharing ideas with others only happens in In in a small part of assignments. Yeah, I Actually think that Being able to find Pieces of work on the internet that are free and explain things and can be used to explain things to others That can be understood and that Can be Remixed to create something that fits the need in class or something Isn't it's a very important is a very important thing to learn and it's probably most important than a more important than Knowing some some texts by heart or something. Yeah This should be done more often of course Niklas. What do we have something? This is our teacher in our organization so if anything to Share in regard of this. Where come the hidden speaker of tech? Can you hear me all right? Yeah, okay, so I'm an English and French teacher and we have this very question yesterday and I took my French school book out of my bag and showed My colleagues what I was working at the moment with and I Showed them that we were working on Phrases and useful expressions for discussions And I would never give my students a bad grade for using those expressions in a dialogue. They write so I Would rather grade them on their creativity and ability to Ride a Dialogue that makes sense and that that is clearly structured and logical and that's how you should grade software or programming assignments as well so You should grade them on the creativity on the readability on Maybe on the documentation and explanations that they can provide provide when they are asked about their software and not Not on the on the amount of code they have reused from other sources