 Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching the breakfast and plus TV Africa and by now time for our second hot topic Yesterday the vice-president of Nigeria Kashim Shetima unveiled the light of Nigerian project in the South East Well, during this to just talk about this is engineer Israel S. O'Gene Abraham is a president chartered Institute of Power Engineers of Nigeria. Good morning, sir. Thank you for joining us Okay, so we're talking about project light up Nigeria and this is happening in the South East region So the vice-president talked about it yesterday and it's supposed to you know Just have like clusters of lighting up certain region. What do you think about this? Okay, just explain to us really what this means Last Sunday yesterday the ABAP project was also commissioned and it was The impact is to ensure that the ABAP corp is safe, market and everything around the ABAP and the Metro Police and orders are taken care of from that power plant. The vision is that virtually every aspect of that area is fully lighting up Small as it may look but we are taking all sections out. If you have similar situations where you can take up a particular Metro Police maybe take a bullet for this house or maybe one locality and you can actually power it completely. It means the economic activities in that area will get to optimal. You know, virtually everything you want to do but production, manufacturing, there are commercial activities. We will all spring up because people who are looking towards how to buy fuel to power the generators you know that I look towards how to maybe look forward to go forward to be trying to have alternative way to pass push equipment or such services they want to provide. Even banking and all the rest, network and telecoms, they will all come up because you will not have such failures as you normally have. You got the old BGS that is the antennas that are supposed to carry out the power or telecom lines. We all on a full blast of power. So power is central to every development. So we do not have development at all. The first measure to use in measuring that a place is developed or developing or coming up to standard is that there is power. I mean that is present economic metrics to show that someone is developing or being developed. So does this mean that in this South East region there's going to be like 24 hours of power for the foreseeable future because we've seen cases whereby they say oh you know we're working with the power but then you barely see the power. So is this going to be maybe something that would happen for just a month or two maybe like a photo op and then subsequently there's no power or then it is reduced significantly. Hello sir. No, no I don't think so. I think the above project for instance, I'm not seeing the above project as a kind of example of what we're trying to discuss here. The other is large but above is just a a metropolis or a kind of hub of its own with a lot of manufacturing going on from shoe manufacturing to engine machines and all the rest going on in that area. Maybe locally and being done kind of not optimally because of lack of power and lack of other infrastructures. So but like I said power is the first measure that you used to first measure a particular development in indices in an environment and I would want to say that if you have such kind of project replicated in different other locations maybe Enubu for instance, Oumuahia and so on that's how you cannot have them in clusters to come up to have essentially you can say there's no power or no failure in supply. For the above power project, I don't believe there will be a kind of situation where you are going to have power going out and a reversal but that's not going to happen. The reason is because the projects designed, those who designed the project already have all the facilities, have their own gas line to power the plant which means they will power and they also went ahead to have the distribution lines themselves. So they are doing both sides both from generation down to marketing. It's a holistic arrangement from them which I would say is totally novel. It's novel in the sense that from where they generate down to where they distribute to the consumers they are in charge of it all. So they can actually take care of all of that. They don't know anybody acutely whether or not delivering power or not secure power or whatever. All that will be out of it from this example we are just giving right now from the above power project. So if we have such replicated in other areas I think it will actually change narrative around the country because you are sure of wanting that as you generate, you know how to lose their money, not distribute it. So they are in charge, they are in control. I mean I would say they are in control of that vanishing within that hope and state. They know when and how they have the power to take power. So they know that. I think that that is the answer from the, that's not a challenge because they are a private entity. The customers also have the obligation for them to pay back or at least fund the activities. So I think it's a new solution to come right with such kind of arrangement. Okay so I love this. I mean I love the idea. I love the fact that you know this has been implemented because I mean we can also buy right to our generators now in coming years but if we're starting with the above power project how soon can we start to see you know other clusters springing up across the country because like it says it's project light up Nigeria so it's not just project light up Abba. How do we start to see you know a change in our power sector because obviously everybody needs to get fuel or diesel to be able to power their generators and it's not even cost effective at all. So when do we start to see you know other power projects springing up? You will hear from all the work in three cases or whatever kind of addition and position for whatever kind of development up to that 20 years before we get production savings. I want to believe that that to come up to a different level and the settlement and the individuals who go to this this narrative all the actions are passed through this situation to be able to deploy their own all the facilities and of course the market is there Nigeria's are hungry to use power just like you're that everyone needs to use power in our homes in our small workshops small factories or whatever business we want to do we need power so this is something that everybody needs the question is use Nigeria as a case and let me go straight aside as a case in point they have to have become sincere of purpose before we have to have more sincere because you cannot say you want to do something you want to get so to work and not do the right thing doing the right thing means look at the portraying professionals you need to look towards who are those to do this thing who are the people that are to carry out these activities you need to rely on them and much more you need to rely on your own people are you that one of your own people because whatever kind of the development of this you want to do you need to get your people involved if you don't have a government go to Japan and go to India or go to their big Chinese are happy to be for you it's not sustainable i'm not going to say i'm going to get some power but sustainability is what you need what is sustainable in the same statement you need your people to be on board you need to rely and trust the people as it stands before the government of Nigeria are probably going to trust something to do this thing for them that's the reality so i want to be that light of Nigeria is created by the government and they will try looking at how to take their professionals and give them put them inside of the writing putting the right on the ground to those of square boxes square holes so you can actually have the right people deploying what you want to deploy and it's sustainable because they know what to do and they train the next generation to maintain and manage and follow not just sustainability otherwise you'll just see that we are trying to do something i'm not going to try because we are doing the wrong thing all your employees wrong for all your own appointing the wrong people to be inside of what you want to do you try to be in zero hello sir i think his his audio is a little bit bad um so one question i was going to to ask um about this whole light up project i mean like i said i i want power all the time and i think power is like you know a major thing in nigeria as he has said you know even economic development you know relies on power but then are we going to really see the power because we've seen cases whereby we're you know giving power to other countries right but then nigeria is still lacking in this what is going to be the impact of their bar power project now especially with other ones and i wanted to ask the continuity of government because if they are bar power you know planters taking over 20 years that shows that from different from one administration to another they've come in and just take gun on with it so isn't that what we're supposed to be looking at in nigeria and i wanted to get his thoughts because you know just having to say okay this is what we want to do and i'm sure that that's something we you know even spoke about earlier in the show this is what we want to do this is what we're looking at for nigeria in the next 20 years so the importance of continuity in government yeah he said something about um sustenance or sustainability because uh if you bring foreign people and they do and then they go how will you maintain it and all those kind of things and i was just asking myself um are people really that trustworthy but you give them buildings to build you give to the professionals they want to cut corners especially now that the cement is very very i don't know how how many buildings will be collapsing right now okay so but you know they have to work on themselves yes i know that if the government has not done much to uh to build manpower that can do what they need to do and to monitor what whatever they are doing but he made a valid point that we should look in what's looking what does not just mean trusting someone with something but also monitoring that person to make sure that he does the the right thing uh at the right time okay i think we have him back yeah okay okay fantastic so i was just speaking to him go here and i was just asking him about like continuity in government um the fact that the about power project has taken this number of years before we're seeing this breakthrough um doesn't that show that each government each administration that comes in you know needs to just continue from the last one that way we can now make those breakthroughs because if we're saying you know what i want to come and do my own stuff um whatever was done before me is abandoned and then we will we might just never see a breakthrough like this one yes i agree with you completely on that uh but that is part of why i say that the we must look at it from the point of a strategic view and not just bringing people in just for critical opportunity because that is very critical uh uh i mean put this comes in every government must see it as part and parcel of what define development when a government see that when it comes easier but i mean i think we're in a good case in our country where every government just like you know like you think that oh i come out to do my own good so we need to change our culture first of all because that is not something that just easy or you can actually do there have to be a kind of culture culture enough uh physical space to know that one government must always always enjoy that the next one is doing that same thing they have to be kind of plan and it's not if you don't have plan it's not if you don't have you don't have plan uh in the in the country it's not again the only plan is natural you know not correct it in place 25 years 30 years 40 years or so all these plans are there the difference is doing the government following them who is actually in charge of this plan and how is that person doing anything for people to follow this is what is missing so there is a big new uh a new knowledge on how government can see that it has a project and that project cannot stop whatever project that's awarded for a particular section you know the more you compare by the next one before you take up a new project i don't know i'd imagine i'd say we'll come up with that kind of idea as long as it comes to economic uh infrastructures like power like labor and so on you can have such kind of um of in place that stop the government from just jump into a vital and this approach the politics of a crisis i think you know what you know that I think the audience is too bad. That's what happens with our network. If we have steady power, maybe we won't be finding this. But yes, I think this is a good way to wrap it up. I was just wondering, briefly, if we do have the power, can we pay? Because it's one thing to have it. It's another thing to be able to afford it. So maybe we're not saying bye-bye to generators yet. Because even right now, the places that have nearly 24 hours' power supply are negotiated with the people, the nepers we call them, that we can pay more, so give us more power. So they've been doing that. A lot of estates have nearly 24 hours' power supply every day, but they pay through the roof to get that. So will that be the same thing that will be replicated everywhere if we have steady power? That's a question that needs to be answered. If we cannot have it cheaper than we are having it now, then it will be almost the same thing. Especially with the Minister of Power coming out to say that they subsidize electricity. They cannot even subsidize electricity. Anyways, we're speaking to engineer Israel Esorgane Ibrahim. He's the President, Chatted Institute of Power Engineers of Nigeria. We've just been talking about the project Light Up Nigeria that has happened in the South East. So yeah, but this is what we'll have to wrap it up on the show. It was so nice having breakfast with you today. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you again tomorrow. My name is Romer Paulsen. Let there be light. My name is Nyam Gul. Let's do it again tomorrow.