 today we are debating whether or not there is secret tech on the moon and we're starting right now. Ladies and gentlemen thrilled to have you here for another epic debate as we welcome back two past debaters guys we've got experience in the debate world and who really enjoy it and that's what makes it fun so we welcome back team skeptic and awkward saint thanks so much guys for being here it's a pleasure to have you again. Thank you. Absolutely and I want to let you know folks if it's your first time here consider hitting that subscribe button as we've got a lot more debates coming up and we are very excited in fact about this coming Monday you'll see at the bottom right of your screen we will have a flat earth debate between Billy Zigg who couldn't make it last time we lost him and Tom jump so that will be finally happening and very excited for a lot of other ones as well that we'll mention later on so with that we are going to jump into the debate pretty quick here so just want to let you know a couple things as you're listening if you're like mmm I like that I want to hear more from him well good news I have put both of the speakers links in the description box that little one just down there for you so that way at any point you can click on their links and hear more or find their Twitter link so with that we are going to have flexible roughly 8 to 10 minute opening statements they don't have to take the full time and we're going to be starting with team skeptic then we'll be going to Adam and so team skeptic thrilled to have you here the floor is all yours yeah so tonight's debate is alien tech on the moon and you know my problem is this right here I want to believe in aliens right I really want to but I'm not that goable you know I'm not I've seen ancient aliens before the first time I watched it I was like oh shit you know this prove 100% for sure first time now watch it again and I was like okay whatever you know and then again and again and finally I was just like man you know I really wanted it to be aliens and I still do but I'm not convinced I'm not convinced because you know everything is always going to be look at this fairy tale right here that says this or says that and unfortunately I can't I don't believe in fairy tales so I need more than fairy tales I need hard evidence I need you know I would say even more than confessionals from people who would probably want to to make themselves more relevant for whatever reason you know people do crazy things all the time they lie all the time they say shit all the time because of their personality and their you know unfortunate desires they have themselves so I stand with the skeptical position that we don't have secret alien tech on the moon you know if I don't even think we have secret human tech and yes I you know someone made a good point there's absolutely fucking alien tech on the moon it's called fucking human technology we're the aliens up there so but I'll stand by you know the topic tonight will be non-human technology is that correct Adam or awakened I'm sorry non-human technology correct yes okay so non-human technology and I'll stand by the skeptical you know position that without evidence I don't think that we should believe such fairy tales and that's my time you can have the rest all right thank you all right without too much talking this video is a little bit long but it also shows you how they photoshop over the actual image at the end of the video so I'll just let the video speak for itself all right okay okay well a little bit confused I'm now I'm seeing a picture someone's face but I I mean I didn't interrupt I I guess we're giving you you have plenty of time to explain the context thank you for that opening we'll give you like I said a chance to explain what we just saw for those of you who are just tuning in awkward saint was showing a video making his case regarding the alleged secret tech on the moon and so go ahead awkward saint thanks so much it's a mission of Apollo 20 they went in to board the ship the mother ship that was on the moon and they found these bodies on the ship that was the face you're looking like looking at and I never saw over it and that's how I guess that's how they said it flew the plane but I get her flew the the ship and I guess some technical malfunction or electrical charge or whatever went through and short circuited everything and fried her while she was flying the ship and that's how it crashed gotcha thank you very much and with that if you're prepared for it both of you we can go into the open conversation mm-hmm you bet the floor is yours gentlemen all right you want to start first team yeah I'd like to welcome everybody in the chat to crazy town I'm less I'm even less impressed than James is and I was hoping for something so much more that alien face is not first off I want to tell you it's it's really hard for me to make out anything on my end I'm not not trying to be disrespectful or anything it's just hard to make out a you know it's being it's being you know compressed by your the TV and then it's being compressed by your camera then it's being compressed by zoom and then it's being compressed on my end so it's a little hard to make out anything or at least details on anything I have seen some of that stuff before I've seen the the paper mache alien face before and like I know that you're gonna say that it's not paper mache or anything like that but I've seen the videos you know I didn't have that video on hand before because I didn't know you were gonna be showing it or I would have shown you know where the people were breaking down the costume effects and how it is pretty consistent with with the the costuming of the time of the the late 70s early 80s and I don't know when that video was made I've just know I've seen a lot of like of the debunking videos of aliens because again I used to be really into it and they were just breaking down all of the different alien autopsy videos and all of these other videos and that was just that video right there is a very consistent with the the costuming of the time from professional vfx artists so I don't know to me it looks like I've seen the original but to me it looks like a vfx well when people are actually like frozen in ice if they're out in the wilderness too long that's what they kind of look like there's a vagueness space and it's cold you would solidify in some some portion I mean yeah I guess but I don't I don't think that in like I don't think in the vacuum of space you would really I don't think you would begin to I can't think of the word right now where you're like everything starts breaking down and oxidizing because there's no oxygen in space so I'm pretty sure that if you if someone was to just float out into space let's say from a spaceship and float off if they were exposed to the vacuum of space I don't think that they would begin to break down they would be oxidized it would just freeze yeah that's then that's how you would get that solidified look I don't think it was necessary I to me it just didn't look organic and I've seen the video not through the screen before I'm just going off of what I've previously seen of that video but that video it just doesn't look look organic whatsoever I mean use words like her to describe you know gender that simple to say being that we're humans and we typically deal with a man woman dichotomy for the most part you know what I'm saying it's a man woman dichotomy so it's it for us to make that conclusion or to come to a to a conclusion that it's a female or that it has female regeneration parts or anything like that you would then have to find out where the common ancestor was and at that point you know is it them who's alien or is it us who's alien I mean to me I don't think that if we find an alien species we would be able to identify identify a gender on the spot while just you know walking across the moon saying oh shit look there's a spaceship even if we seen the spaceship before and we decided to enter it on an Apollo 20 we said hey you know what let's go ahead and send a couple astronauts on end of the fucking end of the spaceship how would they have been able to determine sex right then and there I mean where did they just pop her open and go oh shit she's got you know organs like humans do in the video I'm sorry she's actually naked on there on the Apollo 20 carrier right and the simple fact that we can identify female or female parts would either suggest that if aliens did exist that we had a common ancestor or if that was a made up something if it was not originally an alien life form that it would have been that it's easy to think that someone that a human would have made that because it had human attributes to it that allowed for you to be able to tell whether it was a girl or a boy I mean that's what I'm saying there's too many for me there's too many consistencies with humans being responsible for making that that are too easily identifiable like being able to identify gender that means that probably some some human had something to do with that whether it was a human from another star system that was related to us and if that's the position you want to take then you should try to show evidence for that as well or it was just a visual effects visual artists that created something for a production to get an emotional response from people like yourself okay um well I gotta collect my thoughts for a second because I had something I was gonna say my brain just farted sorry um because I also say uh that the the aliens are also demons I had a couple debates on that uh it's you're actually looking at pre-flood tech that was given to us by the the fallen the nephilim the ref iem who we now today call aliens um and to prove that like I have to say that people actually lived at least 900 years old um there's also a guy named jack kuzo I think it is um let me find him a second got a book can we can we stick to one topic uh because you just made the claim that people actually lived in 900 years old and I know that's a claim that's been been made in the bible basis do you have any do you have any substantial evidence to support that claim outside of religious text yeah this guy jack kuzo right there he's over on the backside right there see him dr jack kuzo yeah I see him all right he wrote a book called buried alive by jack kuzo he said uh the neanderthal they appeared to live excessively longer lives than modern humans today he he uh urged the bones showed they lived for hundreds and hundreds of years in many cases kuzo also showed that in young neanderthals they took very long times to reach adulthood a person the age of 40 might just be ending purity okay so um I would have to do some research about that guy but I would need to know does does he have evidence to support this or is this just his interpretation of of evidence uh no he says uh he would do do the people who are in his field that also look at these schools do those do they come to those same conclusions and if they don't why does he come to that conclusion versus what the rest of his uh field believes okay because he uh is actually a like a dermatologist doctor he looks at people's teeth and he has to look at the skull uh at the the ages you're in you know your stage is in aging to to make uh predictions on how your teeth are going to grow in so he knows the exact place where you got to put your where your jaw has to be um and he looked at these bones he said uh these scientists who are doing this you just put them in the right they said oh if you put it there it's not gonna fit right but he put it there and it fit perfectly okay so how that's what I'm saying I guess uh he can determine you know where the the bones go on the face and I'm sure neanderthals work different physiologically than modern homo sapiens which is fine I'm not discounting what he he does to be able to uh put the bones together to determine certain certain properties or aspects of the whatever the being he's looking at but how did he come to the conclusion that they were living for 900 years based on their brow ridges were very pronounced which is a conducive of somebody being extremely old because your brow ridges and your nose never stopped growing okay so he came to that conclusion but are there other is anybody else in his field coming to that same conclusion I'm pretty sure I just haven't seen him yet um I he's uh he's like one of the first ones I looked up okay I mean I'd have to I'd have to look into that I've never heard of that guy before so yeah definitely I definitely look him up and see what he has did you say Jack Kyozo right C U O ZZO name uh yeah C U O ZZO Dr. Jack you ruled the block married alive I'll read I'll look into that one um I will definitely look into that one because I've just never heard that from that I've never heard of that uh that doctor before uh that it does kind of bother me that you say he's a dermatologist which I can understand why he needs we well but I mean what is his specialty in is he coming to this conclusion based on a specialty he has or is he coming to this conclusion based on assumptions when he has like another specialty which is you know more skin and and dermatology specialty because uh he was also he was looking into it because he was noticing that children are starting puberty at earlier and earlier ages yeah I'm looking him right now on his thing it says he's a dentist yeah dermatologist sorry okay so he now now he's a teeth doctor who's making claims about the age of bones based on their eyebrows on their brow reach you know I'm just I mean that's why I'm saying it I'm sure there's paleontologists out there who are more specialized in this type of um in this type of feel that probably come to a different conclusion than he comes to as a dentist but the funny thing is he actually he's he's seen them old skulls their old photos of them and pretty much tell that they definitely cut the the the edges out of the skulls to make them look more ape like okay so now now you're saying now are you I just you're kind of cutting out there I want to make sure that I I got that right you're saying that the neanderthal skulls were intentionally deformed to look like ape skulls instead of neanderthal skulls here's how to do it right down here okay and then one of them you could see they blatantly you can see a piece of the nose bone still there they just chiseled around it uh yeah okay so go back down but show the bottom one okay they're not even like one of them's face on the other one's side I mean to me they look different to well hold on to me there's more than just the nose that looks different in those two things and I'm not saying because one's fate one's facing forward one's you know turned to as a profile I'm saying that to me they just look the top one looks more ape to me the bottom one looks more hominoid to me but I would say why do they have to cut the nose bone out how do you know they did cut the nose bone out I mean that's an assumption you're making based on hold on one second that's an assumption you're making based on what I said right I understand that but are have you taken this to a paleontologist or if you ask the paleontologist hey does it look here as if there's been um you know filing or chiseling or any kind of thing could this possibly be in the andrethal skull because I'm sure there's more differences than just the nose bone in between the neanderthal skull and an ancient primate I mean to me when I looked at that that immediately looked different to me between the two and I and I know that they're turned sideways so I can't be a hundred percent sure but if you ask me if you if you showed me those two and said which one of these looks most like a human I would have said one on the bottom hundred percent I wouldn't even need to have looked twice I would just the one on the bottom looks more like a human skull the one on the top looks more like some kind of primate I wouldn't have assumed that it was an ancient primate but I definitely would have made some kind of an assumption that it was not a hominoid you know yeah but on my basis that's why I think that you know the ages are there in the pre-flood world to where that the fallen aka the aliens uh there's still no evidence to support that a flood even happened I mean we would have to still account for where all the water went we'd still have to account for you know where the evidence would be how how life repopulated the earth from more than just two animals apiece in a few thousand years that's not something that we see the population growth right now that we see isn't that great you know there's no way to account for the the population growth of a man of man of animals the biodiversity across the world if we would see this bio if the biodiversity across the world would have would have evolved from basically nothing to where it is now we would have seen some kind of major biodiversity change in the last thousand years that humans have been really documenting things so we would have seen huge biodiversity we don't see that you know we see pretty much the same plants and animals that were around I mean we do see new species but we see pretty much the same plants and animals that were around 500 years ago that they were talked about in the history books that we see now so evolution hasn't given hasn't changed over the 500 years fast enough that it would have needed to have changed that in you know exponentially moving backwards to get to a point where we only have two uh what five humans I think it was right was it five or six humans when Noah got off the ark and then it was also you know uh only two of each animal I mean how do we account for plants that that should have drowned out and not been uh back you know by the the massive flood across the entire world the trees and the the plants that would have just died off because they weren't getting oxygen and sunlight well depends on how nutritious the soil was after the flood yeah really how long did the flood last how long did how long did the flood last there there would be entire species of plants that would just plants and animals that would just die off completely then our coal deposits and our uh oil can you demonstrate can you demonstrate that uh dead plants and animals can turn into oil within five thousand six thousand years I mean no how long the flood how long ago are you assuming the flood the flood happened how long ago are you assuming the flood happened that's a geological processes take a long time just say you know so yeah because they're slower now why would they be slower now than they were six first off before I start guessing on how many years you're talking about how far back are you assuming that the uh the flood of Noah occurred um I would say around give you a chance to respond but then hopefully uh and I don't blame you if you're asking team skeptic because I know that Adam was the one that brought up the flood so we'll give you a chance to respond to Adam to give an answer and then we might redirect back toward oh yeah I'm okay with redirecting the only reason we're bringing up the flood is because he was talking that this that the tech was pre-flood tech so that's the only reason we went into that my bad um no yes go ahead and I'll I'll address anything you say go ahead man all right could you say your question again sorry I forgot it how long ago did you think the flood uh occurred five thousand years ago because two thousand years before flood two thousand years before flood you say or after the flood yeah two thousand so be around yeah I'm not sure what you mean by that but four thousand years ago the flood can you can you demonstrate any science whatsoever that supports the notion that plants and animals a mass dying off of plants and animals could become coal and uh oil deposits within four thousand years all right I mean that's an assumption you're making but that's not backed by any science hydro plate theory walt brown walt brown from walt brown the hydro plate theory phd and mechanical engineering at mit rounders of titer forest vocal colonial west point graduate um um underneath there are oceans you find the mid oceanic ridge this is a fracture encircling the entire globe in fact there is still water at unbelievably hot temperatures spurting out from trillions of vents in the ridge the world the flood had giant cavernous pockets of water under the earth those pockets played a clear role in facilitating the giant plants enormous ecological rooms and thereby the giant garden of the style wildlife that you see in the fossil rare today so hold on a mechanical engineer is not an expert in geology plus just the simple search shows me that he's the he's like a the leader of the younger one of the leaders of the younger's creationist movement so whether he has a degree from mit he might be really good at doing like mechanical engineering but i don't know if he's in a position to make claims about like the atonics i'm sorry he's a west point graduate yeah i understand that um west point's a great school i'm x military myself so uh but that doesn't mean anything when you're talking about a mechanical engineer who's making claims hold on a mechanical engineer making claims making um pseudoscientific claims about the geology of the earth that doesn't it's not supported by geologists why would i accept it by why would i accept the mechanical engineers uh biased opinion about a in my opinion he's just saying that the earth must be doing this for his belief system to be correct sure if the earth was a what is it called hydro plate theory if the hydro plate theory was true then it would support his notion that the earth is only 6 000 years old however the hydro plate theory is not supported by any geologist out there and i'm not prepared to accept a mechanical engineer i'm sorry that's probably they don't want to support it because then it conflicts with their point of view or or they don't they don't care about points of view they just want to get the science right and explain how the earth works and they come to the conclusion that it's not a hydro plate theory so you say that they don't ever try to cover up actual evidences of uh like human human uh dinosaur footprints found in the great state of texas well uh human dinosaur footprints found i would uh i would need to look into that one but i've heard the claim before but i don't know i i without knowing the without actually having researched this claim i wouldn't understand like i i there's a i don't know that it even is a dinosaur footprint let me let me look that one up real quick let me just because i've heard it before i just never looked at that we'll mention folks we are very excited you'll see at the bottom right it's our second next in-person debate as we will have samuel facing off with david wood on march 15th that's going to be on whether or not christians ethically can mock views or people so that will be a provocative one and then the next day david wood and matt dillahunty you see on your bottom right of the screen will be debating on whether or not christianity or secular humanism provides a better foundation for ethics so that one should be a wild one as well and then the day after that is of course if you haven't heard of it by now we are very excited for this one it is destiny and vosh at the bottom of your screen who will be facing off in person on march 17th so that's three days in a row where we will be on tour and thanks for letting me pipe in there gentlemen okay so a simple curse research uh shows that the that they're actually dinosaur tracks uh not human footprints uh they they've gone two different way uh two different routes uh they've taken the uh the mold and recreated them uh showing that it was dinosaurs that were walking without their toes digging into the ground uh very very similar to to human tracks and it also says that uh that there's other physiological aspects of the tracks that just don't match human feet there's a photo yeah it's a photo that looks very similar to a human foot sure yeah and that's yeah but i but i'm already i'm telling you now that i'm right now without even having to research it any further i'm just looking right now and i'm seeing uh genesis or let's see genesis park uh which i i assume that's a youngest creationist thing it says uh uh galaxy dinosaur man man track controversy i'm trying to find scientific sources here instead of just like people that are writing about it okay because like i can see the texas observer texas monthly those places aren't going to be good to go just like creation.com's not going to be good to go you're gonna need to find an actual source for it not a bias source that's going to try to come to the conclusion uh the let's hold on let me let me see this one this one's a science source right here no that's a new york times i don't see the new york i won't even i don't even i'm not even times why i'm not even born in new york no no no no i'm saying look i'm saying like the new york times has reported on it and i'm not prepared to use that as a source for you just like i would hope you wouldn't use creation sources you would try to find non-biased sources so let me that's what i'm looking for is a non-biased source right now that wikipedia has the sources on it but i also don't really like going to wikipedia for for just information but let's see it was on plexi creek is what it's a plexi river yeah let's see okay it became famous for the controversy in the early 1930s when locals found dinosaurs and supposed human footprints in the same rock layer in the glen rose formation says however these anachronistic human footprints have been determined to be mistakenly interpreted interpretation or hoaxes they say no yeah right they say i i am i'm not gonna just jump on a source and just try to make a claim that i don't know for sure like i can look into this and find a scientific research or scientific source on it but i'm just right now i'm just looking the only sources that are out there or like news publications and creationist sources so neither one of those are gonna be an actual science source that's worthy of trying to find now if you want to move on to the next point i'll keep looking for a scientific source to bring up like a paleontologist that went on and did it or an archaeologist that went out and looked at it as someone that has an actual background in it instead of you know some guy from some mechanical engineer or something like that you know those are not though you need to find sources that are relevant to the field you can't just use anybody as a point he's from his college he's a smart guy i think he can make up theories uh yeah but okay i got a question for you would you allow a dentist to do brain surgery on you that's a dumb question you're do you that's the smartest that's the smartest thing you said all night that's the smartest thing you said all night that's a dumb question just like if i said it would you allow a mechanical engineer you you know to tell you about the history of the earth based on geology you should say that's a dumb question i wouldn't i wouldn't accept because geology is one of the base things you learned it could be he could have a geology uh not a master in it but he had to probably take it in college and the the college he went to is he just there's a huge difference but i took a basic geology course why do i not come to the same conclusion because you didn't make an opposing theory it's just a theory well it's an idea it's an it's just a theory they don't really know what happened i'm backed by substantial evidence so i think you need to understand the difference do you first off do you understand the difference between a scientific theory and a colloquial theory not really okay so a scientific theory is the best explanation of something that given the evidence okay so when we make the the sum of all evidences and we bring those together and we can form a theory that brings all of the evidence together and matches up with all of it that we have okay it's the best explanation that we have for something in fact it's it's a well-founded explanation it's backed by by experimentation it's backed by real world applications uh the idea that the colloquial use of theory is similar to like i have an idea of how something happened there's a huge difference between you having an idea and science having a mountain of evidence against your idea the two theories are hundred percent different one of them is base one of them is baseless one of them can be just a interpretation of evidence one of them is the evidence itself you're just giving me an interpretation or that guy's interpretation of of of how he wants the evidence to go and he's a young earth creationist so he didn't come to the conclusion he didn't say oh look you know this this stuff right here proves that the earth can't be you know billions of years old therefore i'm going to become a young earth creationist he said i'm going to be a young earth creationist now let's make the world work for me that's not how science works that's not that's not what how scientific theory works it's an opposing viewpoint or it's an opposing idea but it's not a scientific theory that goes against uh plate tectonics we might uh this might be a good opportunity to kind of start working back toward the more direct evidence for the technology on the moon and the more direct critiques of that as well so one thing that is an option just in case it might not i know that i to be honest i haven't used zoom on my phone and i'm not sure if you're using your phone but in case you're using your phone i'm not sure actually if anybody does know if you are able to do screen share while on your phone then we might be able to see like any photos or video more directly if that's something that is not available on your phone though it's not a problem no just one to check no not on my phone i forgot the video i'll pull it up i think it was like one of the astronauts said it too i did forget to mention folks if you happen to have a question a lot of you know but if it's your first time here you can shoot a question in the live chat if you tag me with at modern day debate it makes it a little bit easier for me to catch every one and then we'll try to ask as many questions as we can once we get to the q and a should be coming up fairly short maybe in about 20 minutes or so so thanks so much for being here folks and also we are a nonpartisan channel so we never have any sort of videos in which i give my personal opinion on subjects or on who won or anything like that it is just purely the debaters and so want to let you know whether you be christian atheist republican democrat no matter what walk of life you're from we hope you feel welcome regardless of where you're from so the floor is yours gentlemen thanks for letting me interject okay yeah i'm i just got through reading an article or not reading the whole article but trying to get the relevant information out of it from the national center for science education uh explaining the plexi man as being and it's they have references to the same types of people that you're talking about phd sciences that can absolutely demonstrate that they're either hoaxes natural objects that are mistaken for human footprints or dinosaur footprints that were that are just similar to humans but not humanoid similar to humans well yeah you do understand that the human foot is is designed a certain way right i mean like it operates a certain way it's not we don't just have like a flat soul that goes on the ground a lot of these uh a lot of times people will try to to make footprints or something like that in a way to um to do a hoax like for bigfoot or something and then they don't realize the intricacies of the foot and how it's easy to easy to look down and go yeah that's not even you know a hominid foot so but i'm i'm reading this and this is a this is a science um a science journal so this is not it's not a publication it's an actual science website i've used it before uh that's where i found the the information about this and they've got they've got everything they're showing exactly how it was done they've got the i mean it's it's a good it's a good article it's a long article there's no way i can read it now but i can share that i'll share the link uh in the live chat so that you guys can check it out but it's showing right here this is how it could have been faked if it was faked but there's no proof that it was but that no it's saying here that why they're saying that there's anatomical it's saying in the thing that there's anatomical uh problems that don't match up with what fucking human excuse me what human feet uh look like i'm looking at it right now yeah but then why would they smash the evidence uh why did they compact trash because it's it's a if it wasn't an actual footprint they would have just left the thing there and said hey that's just a fake footprint why would someone have to go in there and smash the book when you're talking okay so it if you're talking about something that's a science-based you know theme park i don't know if this is a theme park or if this is just you know a natural whatever if people are going there to look at dinosaurs and whatnot they don't want to have people who flip fraud fraudulent fucking footprints all over the place i mean that's not you don't want to have to explain every time the kid walks by hey what's that why is there human footprints oh that's so and so just did that just as a joke you know like i said why do we compact trash why do we throw away bills once we pay you know i mean why don't we just keep every piece of paper we've ever had even the ones that where we just were you know doodling and we spilled coffee on it why do we not keep those pieces of paper you know they're defective pieces of paper right mm-hmm why do we not keep evidence of our defective piece of paper yeah you just throw it out but i and i'm trying to hold i'm not trying to be immediately discounting your evidence i'm really trying to hold a very open honest position but i am going to be skeptical of it and again you know what you just showed me is not really convincing to me it's just kind of there wasn't a park when they unearthed it yeah well okay the park part i was just saying i was simply saying like if it was a park that would be an absolute reason to do it but even if it's not a park you know if i saw somebody i'm sorry the park was tried maybe put there to try to protect these prints from ever being tampered with because some of them were were smashed after they excavated it okay again uh i wouldn't would just seeing this right here and you know i'm not making a position right now i'm gonna look more into it so that i'm more you know more aware of that evidence but i'm saying right here that i'm looking at different different doctors that are talking about it and different archaeologists people that are experts in that field now yeah if they wanted to hide it who would be the best ones to hide it they would but what would they gain from hiding it i mean if that was a if that was a discovery but but if this if that was a discovery that was world-changing that would make that scientist famous i mean it's something that can be verified anybody could go down there he would have protected and said everybody come down here and come come take these molds come do this right now because we have these footprints down here instead they all went down there and was like no this is the joke this isn't real these aren't really dinosaurs or they're not really i'm sorry not really humans they're not really human footprints then can i put this one question okay if someone a perfect means of renewable energy would that person become rich and famous that's a little bit different because we have a we have an industry based around that so to try to to try to like supplant somebody in the industry you have to actually supplant those people you're taking money away from them and you're moving it to you know like there's one thing that we use evolution it's an industry i talk to any biologist talk to any evolutionary biologist out there and ask them if that's the best uh the best field to work in you know they're not going to tell you that it is evolutionary biologists don't make shit but they're necessary for us to understand evolution thank god that somebody's out there getting underpaid to do it they're not the sexy people in science you know they're paid pretty pretty well a lot better than i am actually i believe that but in the science in the stem fields they're definitely probably not in the highest of the stem fields because it doesn't have much real world application to us to me and you you know like your chemists do chemists have you know they're developing drugs they're you know making better products they have reasons for chemists to you know to to make more money than a biologist than an evolutionary biologist but that doesn't mean that you know the that the the field is not as good or it's not as you know well understood or these people go down there and they do things you know that like they it's their job to validate things it's their job to find new species it's their job to find missing links because between every every single step is another step that we still need to find and when we find that step there's a new middle step that we need to find there's never going to be a spot where there's not a middle step that we need to find because even today people like you and me are constantly evolving or generation to generation say degenerating i'm sorry i would say we're degenerating with the with the uh the lower and lower uh rates where we are starting puberty at the earlier and earlier ages i would say we're degrading not not escalating i wouldn't say escalating i'm saying evolving evolving all species are constantly evolving based on their pressures all losing i'm sorry evolution is a mutation right well technically it's like it also is a loss of information they're losing stuff and their body is trying to compensate with that sure they're losing non or like non helpful dna non helpful information before we go too far into the evolution topic it's way back to the in case there are any more let's see any more direct evidence is like photo video or if you have like testimony of a like uh some sort of credible tell me like anything like that here there was one of them uh buzz aldrin i gotta find it so buzz aldrin you're saying he said there's a monolith on one of the moons around uh mars or jupiter there's a monolith up there i don't know who put it there yeah he made a statement on that on national tv there it is see fan we can visit other people with their habitation with a keep track if there's something very important to be developed from the moon i'm not sure what it is right now and i sure think we should identify what it is for america to make such gross expenditures again for human habitation on the moon we can help we can join with together we can explore the moon and develop the moon we should go boldly where man has not gone before fly by the comets visit asteroids visit the moon of mars there's a monolith they're a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that that goes around mars once in seven hours when people find out about that they're gonna say who put that there who put that there well uh the universe put it there if you choose god put it there is there you go is that credible enough to did you watch it hello yeah yeah i'm sorry i had my mic muted um yeah i mean uh yeah so he says there's a monolith on a on the moon he didn't say that it was created by an alien species when he was talking about when he was talking about habitation on the moon he was talking about with other i'm sure about with other countries i didn't hear the very very first part of it but to me when i heard that i wouldn't have like what you just played me if we if you and i were not in a in a talk about this and you played that for me and stopped it at that point i would have said okay so uh you know from from this beginning to what you showed me to that point i'm thinking he's talking about you know uh exploring the moon with other nations other men okay because he mentions man several times this go where man's never gone before yeah okay so he they they've seen a monolith which is a rock structure here we see rock structures and we say those rock structures have a meaning that doesn't mean that every rock structure has a meaning because if we see a monolith on we nobody's been to mars nobody's been well hold on but nobody's been to mars nobody said put not mars i'm saying like nobody's sent a probe to this monolith to get etchings or readings or anything like that that might be on it that would prove that there was some intelligent life that put it there they've just seen a rock structure and said oh look it's a monolith and then there's people even if buzz aldrin saying oh look you know there's a monolith out there what do you say there was an object that goes around moon the moon every seven hours that's total fucking orbital mechanics right there i'm sure that can be perfectly explained if something gets trapped in there now if they can come back and say this is absolutely there was no way that this object could have ever you know gotten trapped into this orbit or this particular orbit then that would be something worth mentioning but just because an object orbits mars in seven hours that's nothing you know uh i think i believe we have multiple moons to be honest with you that we don't even discuss one of the moons uh that that go around earth i believe it's like so small and so you know it's just a satellite around earth we don't talk about that as being an alien planet or an alien habitat why would we talk about this other object that's going around mars as being an alien planet or habitat well are you talking about like the dark night that goes around the planet there's also something what do you what do you i'm sorry the what now the dark night satellite i think i can find it oh no i was just saying that from what i heard from the clip you played of buzz aldrin he said there was an object that orbited mars every seven hours was that correct yeah that was trying to say he said we had another like a smaller thing around earth and and ft fe just sent me a picture of the phobos monolith uh he sent me a i guess a picture taken from a spacecraft out there yeah i mean there's nothing special about it it's a it's a rock we have no one's here yeah there's rocks here hey exactly there's rocks here did man or some kind of well hold on did man or any kind of alien make every rock on earth every big rock on earth no okay well then why do you think that the man or some kind of alien would have had to be there to make yeah usually ones that are pretty straight novelist for us like are created by people you don't say i'm gonna say devil's tower devil's tower was that created by man devil's tower i'd have to look at it that's been straight up and down rock formation i wasn't created by man there's a lot they go out and look in the the grand canyon there's all kinds of fucking eroded rocks that's that stand straight up now i'm not even saying that this is an erosion you know what's happening here is erosion i'm just saying that there are natural explanations for rocks that stand straight up devil's tower natural moment i have to look at it i mean i'm looking at the phobos picture right now there's nothing special about it have you seen it or are you just playing that i can't see what's on your screen it's over the light coming in is over saturated that's what it looks like to me ancient tree stump well of course it looks like that to you but that's not a tree we don't have trees that fucking big okay so that right there is an explanation that right there shows you that things can grow up and down or not grow now you got me saying grow things can form up and down naturally without any need for man or any alien to do it how do you get stuff to go straight up like that and usually when you look at it like people i've seen this before sorry i'm sorry what did you say about gravity and how to get things grow straight up because that's actually how plants grow is you know straight away from the polar gravity do you don't see molting lava going straight up like that yeah you see a lot of volcano is a lot of volcano is it goes like this not straight goes like yeah because it has a side yeah okay so something like that okay so something like that without me even having to look it up i'm not even looking it up i'm just going to tell you that in my what i think what i think that is is that's going to be a solidified lava tube okay and that the rock around it the earth around the lava tube was probably eroded away by wind or rain and that's not you sweat more like self they're like they're like perfect squares when you look at the top of it it's like cell formation they look like cells are you talking about like the the hexagonal um hexagonal formations those are are stress fractures that emanate from a point a direct point they emanate in the same direction octagon yeah they well i don't know if it was an octagon or a hexagon and i see nice these cell structures and plants that look like that but not not fractures that magically turn into octagonal well i'm just giving you an explanation that are an example of something that's a natural formation that forms straight up and down without alien or man needing to do it that the what we see on phobos is not even that intricate it's probably it's tiny you know and it's hard to hard to gauge the size but i doubt it's that fucking big on side it on the on the moon of phobos you know i mean it looks like it's just a stand-up rock a rock that's standing up and it's also blurry you can't really see if you go there if we eventually go there and look at it and you see etchings in it now we know it's something to talk about yeah that's something to talk about but for me and you but but for me and you to make this is okay so this is not really going to ever lead us to anywhere because there's no way for me you or i to ever go there and and check that out for ourselves there's no way for man to do that right now when they do and they come back and they say no it's here's the pictures of the rock there's no etching on it look how it sits in the thing we didn't see this on the satellite images it's you know being held up by a mound of dirt on each side you know i mean when they come back and they show you all that are you going to abandon the crazy idea or you know are you just going to find something else to support that alien tech might be on the moon or might be out there oh because uh what do you think of the ship then when we showed the video in the beginning where it showed that was hard that that was really hard to see on your screen just through the thing it was but was the uh i wanted to ask about that was that it was was that animated at the beginning was it like a a 3d animation of it flying up to it it looked like there was like the camera was told you how how they did the uh they did the actual picture from nasa and then they zoomed in and then they used their their their coloring techniques or whatever there's like they're like certain saturations that they put into it to make it pop better then when you say they who do you mean the people trying to to restore the image the people like the nasa people or the people who the alien people yeah but the people that that that yeah you know what i mean when i say i'm an alien person you know i want aliens to exist so i'm going that's why i'm entertaining this idea is because i want this to be true even though i don't believe in it i do want it to be true some people do fake it some people i'll put their own little spin on it or whatever right so that again again there's that's so literal people who tried to find this stuff they don't want it to be like without any real 3d imaging or anything like that that they have if they're just going on photos that were taken probably from hundreds of miles up at minimum minimum hundreds miles up off the surface of the moon even if it's a high depth camera it's still a long distance away so depending upon depending upon the quality that may be just the way that that they came to that conclusion they played with the hue and the saturation till things popped out for them and said hey look that right there looks like it could be this let's run with that narrative and let's push that and to me it excuse me when you showed it to me when the the part that i could tell it just looked like a huge rock on the surface of the moon i mean it's all a whether it was saucer shaped or not um that's just the general shape in other words that it could have been it was really hard to tell from your video but yeah i'm still not impressed by it i would need to see the video like probably on my own screen so i can look at it a little bit more there's like a hundreds of you can put up mothership on moon or whatever and it'll pop right up for you and it shows you how they get it out and how they do it and then it shows you the after picture of how nasa tried to cover it up after the fact because there was a pre photo and then they took it down then they put another photo up yeah i'll have to look in the i found a video of it uh yeah they're all pretty much dante zavala i found a video of i would have to i'm gonna need to go back go you know look at it and everything like that but to me it even watching the video you're showing it doesn't there's nothing spectacular about it uh the the only thing that's probably a little bit spectacular that would say is a lack of craters um but it's also on the other side of the moon so uh and that's not completely expected but you could expect it since you know since the face that's facing the earth is going to be the one that gets hit by you know the asteroids more but that are the comets and stuff and and meteors that are attracted by the earth most of them are going to hit the side facing the earth since they're kind of coming from that direction but uh you still i don't i would just need to look at it a little bit more because everything i've seen so far just looks like a big fucking rock okay i think i had a i had the actual photo too i can tell you the number uh polo image yeah there is the as15p9625 image oh hold on read that out again i can look that up while you read it out go ahead what's the image number as15 as15 dash 625 1625 or nine okay you can see how they tried to hold on i'm i'm i found the image i just got a good get i'm trying to find a good resolution of it i mean i i'm seeing a really good result a really good picture of it right now and it's hold on let me see if i can hold on okay let me i don't know what this is but this is showing it it's kind of blurred a little bit like it's it's a little like a photoshoppy like they tried to cover it because you can see the shadows under it and above it and then you see they tried to blend it in with the surrounding area and you can see a little hue of where the top of the ship was at but then also if you scroll over to this other area to where you see that there's a crater there okay so hold on hold on let me um let me stop you there where's the photo of the the rock or i'm calling it a rock i know you're calling it the mother ship i'll i'll stick with mother ship where's the photo of the mother ship that's not that comes directly from the nasa website that one right there yeah um what's that that was the photo you just showed me because i'm seeing a different photo well it's a long line because the photo kind of looks like uh looks like uh that yeah that's not the one that i have let me see there's the there's the number that's what it says it was as 15p 9 625 and it's not that photo well how are you getting a completely different photo from me i have no idea let me try to find a different one because i'll believe you i'm not i'm not saying that you're giving me the wrong information they're trying to force you from seeing the truth no i think it was yeah oh it says one section of as 15p 9 65 it didn't say that on the picture i was looking it says it now on this other one but it's a close-up of that rock so i'll play it in a second hold on let me see i want to find a good uh to verify it then there's also a yeah that's it looks like a rock dude yeah i mean hold on let me let me pull up my screen so you can see me one second yeah let me see it it'll just take me one second to get it set up because nasa did a did a i think they did like a thing called blending where they tried to blend it in with the surroundings where you can't actually see more of the detail of the actual structure that it is because you can see that little that little stretchiness in the photo all right so yeah right there there he is well let me let me move my let me move it over on my screen so that way i can i've assumed in so yeah right over there see you can see the the top of the ship right there you can see the nose cone and you go back a little bit you can see that it looks like a rock to me that looks like a rock man i don't get how are you coming up with hold up but how are you coming up with that's a how's anybody come up with that's a mothership from that i'm telling you from just looking at it it looks like a rock to me yeah but then they put in the saturation effects and it pulls all that detail out or not not a rock it just looks like rock like it's megalith i think it's monolith it or megalith regolith regolith i'm god i can't i'm trying to get my moon terminology better i think it's called regolith i can look that up but anyway it's it just looks like rock it just looks like it's a part of the moon that's jutting out you can see the tip of it right there and then it goes around you can see the top of the ship right there it's separate from the actual rock hold on hold on you said you can see the tip of it coming out right you can see the whole thing coming out and then do you look you see a shadow hold on you see a shadow that's consistent with the shadows inside of the crater right you can agree that it's you can agree that it's a shadow that is consistent with those that are inside of the crater right i mean in the direction it's coming from the sun it just looks like it's a ridge to me it's an or to ridge that the top of the ridge is casting a shadow on the on the backside of it that's just what it looks like to me i'm not saying that's what it is which one are you looking at i'm not right here right you can you should see my mouse on screen do you not oh it hides my mouse okay i'm pointing at the very right end of that formation it looks like a it just looks like a natural formation to me natural shadow on a natural formation that doesn't even look like a rock like a single rock that's protruding it just looks like like natural it's a natural formation well that's your that's your point i can grant you that much and it's just my opinion i'm not saying that you're wrong i'm just saying first look at it that's what i come to the conclusion with first just barely looking at it and then another curious one would be this guy right here it's in the same photo but it's a it's a it's a classic explanation of uh uh uh move and paste like a bad photoshop because you can see the the sheen you can see the sheen of the the light but then why isn't it on that mound and you can see the cut and paste of what that mound actually is so what's under that pasted mound okay so what can you give me a link to that photo it's really fun to see it on your phone to be i mean to be honest it's it's easy to see the image i see what you're saying but it's really hard to see it in detail yeah um let me try to get the link yeah if you'll send me the link uh that'll be the perfect just send it through the internal chat should i just send it to modern day debate or do i go into the thing no send it in the internal chat and i'll get it right here i can copy and paste what i need okay just gonna throw it in photo forensics and see if there's any obvious signs that that portion of the image like the the noise in that portion of the image is inconsistent with the noise in the rest of the image there you go there it is i don't see it did you send it to the internal chat yeah yeah let me see if let's see by fast because there's a lot of people typing right now no no no no no no no no no not that in the zoom chat in the zoom chat not the uh oh zoom chat yeah yeah just uh maybe i'll just send you a twitter message just put in your twitter send it to james i don't know if i'll unless you have unless it'll send it to me it'll send it to me that's fine if not send it to james and james will forward it to me that work okay keeping an eye on it on twitter there you go perfect got it thank you i'm not tech savvy no problem i'll sending it over to team on twitter now and i will be right back ready all right well i'll be back at his restroom we will after this final point that's being debated then go to qna so very excited folks should be a lot of fun we have a lot of great questions and also if you haven't known you could feel free to shoot those questions into the live chat if you tag me with at modern a debate makes it easier for me to see it and we'll get through as many as we possibly can very excited by the way folks this is just it's almost a pipe dream it might be the case that next week we have kent hovind on for that final end game like best of three like third of the three debates that he and mark drisdale have had or will have so that's hopefully going to happen they've had two debates this would be their third and final one that we're going to host if kent hovind comes and uh that's depending on whether or not their internet will work i know that they did not stream yesterday or today so i think they're out in the rural area where they don't always have great connection for internet preaching uh preaching human footprints next to dinosaurs isn't very profitable these days but look the link you sent me it takes me to another website where it tells me the image details but it doesn't have the image what doesn't have the image yeah and i i copy and paste it exactly what uh modern day debate or james sent me because it was really small at the bottom of that you might might just be missing it no i can guarantee you i'm not seeing it i'll flip over and let you all right my mouse pad i'm in the process of trying to remodel my place up and put my mouse pad down oh but yeah you see this is what i'm looking at and on the left what you don't see is just text details there's links there's links to it but there's there's no pictures whatsoever what the crap um bookmark if i'm the mouse pad how about this one this one better that one should work i tested it myself okay yeah that one'd be it yeah i'm just waiting on james send it to me now sorry about that okay i've got both of them so adam do you want me to send both or just for the second one just the second one rad okay just the second one first one okay yeah that one has an image on it let me there we go i did it wrong see i'm not tech savvy i'm sorry okay oh i'm gonna upload it real quick yeah it's that mound over there that shows the light underneath it and yeah you know where it's at so just so you know folks uh let's see the challenge in case you're wondering if like some bob the science guy asks like are we waiting for something uh awkward saint is on his phone and so it's difficult to send links over phone so he had just sent basically a roundabout way he sent it to me and then i sent the link over to uh team skeptic but we will be back and rolling on this final point for this debate team skeptic convinced yet are you finally ready to kind of just give in in agree here or i mean i want it i want to but no i do want to though like i trust me i i want to be uh i mean i want to accept the fact that i have you know alien lizard overlords out there um makes it simple for me no i know who to who to bow down to no uh let me i've got the image itself i've got the poto forensic image but it's pretty big so let me uh let me make sure that it's i can open it up in a format because like it where i'm at now will only let me me oh while you're doing that do you mind if we start q and a while you're doing it oh yeah yeah go ahead that's fine that's fine definitely i'll pull it up well i'll get through a couple of questions then we'll come right back to team thanks for the idea faux hammer 335 appreciate your super chat they said all hail the creamy teamy all father sounds like you have a fan out there team i love that guy faux hammer he's my man next up thanks so much for your super chat from steven nasty guy steen who says who where is my fork in one million dollars bloomberg that's very funny i think in case you watch the news today i think that's what he's referring to steven steen thanks for your other super chat he says flat earthers were right cgi it's all cgi all of it accurate saint think you may be maybe persuaded him steven steen thanks for your super chat he says this video just gave everyone the corona virus gotcha thank you very much next up jl warren appreciate your super chat he says we are currently closer in time to cleopatra than cleopatra was to the building of the pyramids and we are closer to the t rex than the t rex was to stegosaurus and this is demonstrable okay so uh the file that it gave me back it's not because of the size of the file that is uh that's a now i'll show it here oh it's all it's on the screen right now okay this is as much as uh let me go ahead and zoom in it it'll start getting see how it starts getting pixelated so we really can't get any any usable information from that i was just going to see if there was a definitive noise profile that would have been able to uh to show tampering uh okay it's all noise yeah well no but okay but there should be a there should be a noise profile on the picture that's if it let's say i take a picture of you right well if i do there's going to be a noise profile on the whole picture so let's say if i cut you out of that picture and then i put you in this other picture well the noise profiles will be different and there's not an easy way to remove that noise you can add noise to it but there's always going to be some sort of pattern in there that's going to be slightly different because of the noise that was in the original photo so when you see something that's copy and pasted like a like a an obvious thing like that like let's say they took it from another portion of the moon and moved it from another picture that they took then there would be an obvious uh discrepancy in the noise pattern on the object the background noise pattern on the object that was pasted in to the photo that was it was there and you should be able to tell that's okay it helps you find is the the noise pattern it's not a hundred percent accurate because there are people that are really good at you know photoshopping things in however it's pretty damn good and these photos come from a time when you know there wasn't you know a really good way to get a noise profile there was no photoshop no you know the CGI was like it i can play you the CGI from the 50s all the way up to the uh west uh i can't remember the name of that that that cartoon uh CGI has been going back to like the 1952 and i believe in 90 but if you go back and look it's nothing nothing not even close all the way up until 1970s it wasn't even close to what we saw on the moon like when we saw we see as the footage from the moon what our grandparents saw you know what our parents saw they what they saw was not consistent with what the level of CGI was at that time CGI was basically um creating shapes on screen at the time trying to to uh to like morph music into into shapes on the screen that's all that CGI was in the 50s and 60s it went until i believe alford hitchcock uh was the first one to start really using CGI um not even really i think he used it only for one little intro what he was like the first person to put CGI on main film for us to see and i believe that was in the the late 50s and it wasn't i'm telling you it's not even close to what we see from the moon there's no way they had the CGI uh technology to recreate what they did on the moon just like just like in this photo what the noise profile in this photo whatever you give me if it's from the uh it's from the 70s i guess uh it would be apollo 20 if it's from the 70s then when they shouldn't have had the ability to even come close to try to match noise profiles up in the 70s so we should be able to see it if it's an authentic photo that's been around since the 70s then we should be able to see noise uh the noise profile in there same thing goes with airbrushing when they airbrush something out you would go in there and you would see a noise the noise profile would be smeared there it wouldn't be the same because they've literally smeared out that portion of the the photo there would be a new a new noise profile for whatever they put there or there would be no noise profile if let's say they just put a shape layer in or something okay because then maybe we can do a chapter two on this then okay you got okay thank you very much gentlemen it's always a pleasure we'll jump back into that q and a so let's see if you wanted to respond to that last one on the distances and time between Cleopatra and the pyramids and ourselves you can add them as well as the difference between difference in the time between t-rex and stegosaurus and ourselves you can otherwise you don't have to i can go to the next one as well that's that's also assuming that there is an actual time that stegosaurus did not coincide with the t-rex gotcha thank you very much jail warrant thanks for your super chat he had said awkward how do you explain that the flood myth can be traced in parentheses as a story back to the akkadians who predate christians by 2300 years the akkadians who predate christians well they don't predate hebrus gosh i think so much steven steen thanks for your super chat who says fight the flat earth has two dads kyle curtis and unirock yes he does gosh yeah i would love to hear the backstory i don't know if you have time but i veritas serum thanks for your super chat who says awkward saint is obviously a kent hovind cult e is it true would you consider yourself more of a tre smith guy i'd say go to home go to this guy right here tre smith got in a nutshell i'm embarrassed to say i don't know i don't know if i've seen tre smith i'm gonna i'm gonna suggest people go to uh to non-biased sources uh for their information you wasn't even looking for this well hey you know i will probably look into it just because i like i am fascinated by the alien the alien conspiracy the idea that there's aliens among us the idea the aliens are in our solar system i mean i'm fascinated by that so i am intrigued by it i i love the fact that we had this debate but you're he's an ancient alien can't convince me then what you showed me tonight is going to be even i mean i'm even less convinced now well i try no you're you're good i i'm i'm being a little facetious you know just to entertain people but not but honestly it to what you showed me tonight was not compelling enough for me to really think about it even harder um i will look into it because i want to i want to be more knowledge on you know people's arguments uh or knowledgeable on people's arguments i think there was another uh astronaut i don't remember the video but he also said this guy blah blah presented me these photos about the dark side of the moon and the bases that are there but i forget what astronaut it was i can't remember off the top of my head but i think that's on on youtube as well with them recording him actually saying it gotcha thanks so much next up appreciate your let's see one second confused myself very embarrassing okay matt the god thanks for your super chat they said james we should arm wrestle oh that's i appreciate that offer it's it might be embarrassing for me uh i would say the only person weaker than me is steven steen pretty bad okay thanks for that jl warren thanks for your super chat uh they said show me more clips from iron sky i love that flick i love iron sky yeah that's awesome that's kind of what i was thinking the whole time while he was presenting it i was like oh man this is iron sky all over again i see the nazis they come out of the out of that rock that's funny i like it next up appreciate hot there are good photos with uh ufos in the nazis you can see the swastikas on the ufos and stuff it's actually pretty funny thanks for thanks for your super chat veritas serum who said what does awkward saint think about georgia guide stones oh the georgia guide stones oh delude the population to under like two billion or whatever two million i think they were put there by like an occult group super interesting thanks so much next up fight the flat earth team skeptics twin brother says is there any conspiracy that adam does not believe no conspiracy i love a good conspiracy gotcha thanks so much uh let's see c4 thanks for your super chat which got erased by fight the flat earth jl warren thanks for your super chat who said what about the voyage oh if i'm mispronouncing this just let me know it's okay is it what about the voyage manuscript the anti kethira device the big old pipes stone spheres nasa lines since we're just running the gamut here yeah i think that's the question for skeptic oh uh i mean most of it's just uh go through the whole list again because i heard nasa lines the large rock spheres um i'll tell you the the large the large spheres in uh bolivia i believe it is bolivia or it's in central or south america um there's a but they've uh sensationalized those they're big rocks um yes probably somebody did put some work into them to make them spherical but from the ones that they have found and they've looked at under like with like laser precision they're not close to being spherical uh so that the idea that they're perfect spheres and not just something that man could have done over time uh without the internet and you know cars and everything else to to take away from his free time that's not to me very impressive for the spheres the spheres not what you said but i'm talking about the spheres uh the nasa lines those intrigue me um because i believe the the ingenuity that must have taken to to create that is astonishing like it all the lines that are out there and um in peru that can be seen are amazing uh displays of you know ancient artwork uh displays that are so fucking good that they lasted till today and you know we can interpret them any way we want to interpret them i've heard airports i know i've seen the animals and the humans and all this but i mean people we're talking about thousands of years ago you know like people probably had a lot of time on their hand uh they probably they were probably artists that you know thought of different weight just as today's graffiti artists look at a wall and see a wall and say man i could put this great artwork on there who knows what the peruvian art artists were thinking when they saw the great plains of nasa and being completely barren and noticing that just by moving your foot sweeping your foot across changes the color of the soil you know so that way you can create pictures and these pictures you know we can say they're perfectly straight but again you get down there to the actual ground and you start following on the ground and then you would tell that there's imperfections in the in the ability and its ability to maintain you know being straight it just looks straight from a higher altitude so you can make the argument that yes it looks like today's airport but again i'm not that impressed with that i just if ufo's are flying in they're not using aerodynamics to do it uh they're using astro dynamics and you know some kind of uh gravity something that manipulates the gravitational field where they can just fly down there's no need for them to have a runway with tires and you know and afterburners and all these things that would be required to maintain or not after burners but engines to to maintain uh you know aerodynamic flight so i'm not convinced by that uh do you want to go over any other ones or did i answer enough for you that's good gotcha thanks so much and al fresco veteran thanks for your super chat who said team are you drinking tonight to get through this no i'm not drinking tonight uh it's not hadn't been as bad as some of the other debates i've been in but i mean it was uh it was enjoyable i like talking aliens wish somebody could prove some shit to me wish somebody you know i spent like probably i spent like two or three weeks straight when i was maybe 10 years ago just watching alien videos like people oh my god look at these aliens and you'd always see it never ever does someone stop a camera when they see an alien and just focus on it it's always a pick up a look and a move away real fast and i was and even when i wanted to believe i was like man i can't believe that i can't believe that one that one's not okay to me because it's just a quick quick show anybody can make that if they can't show stop it when you're looking at something life changing like an alien you know we see this look around we see this everywhere else we go we see disaster we stop and look and we pick our cameras up and we point our cameras even when the disasters headed towards us for for some reason not a single person who's ever seen an alien has ever picked the camera up and went like holy shit even if he was about to die you know just from the fascination alone picking up the camera and putting it on the alien i mean the alien couldn't possibly know what the camera was for that it was capturing his image you know i mean that i'm sure they would have left evidence around gotcha and thanks so much looks like adam has a response for you i'm trying to find it somewhere i can find the right video gotcha let's see my question my question for you adam is this right here in today's modern age okay in today's modern age with everybody walking around with a cell phone in their hands why are we not seeing more UFOs and more aliens uh being caught on film why is it that as we get more and more uh where the average user can pick out flaws that are that uh you know back in the 90s somebody like me and you would never be able to see and understand with today's technology even me and you can start to see some of the bullshit that cgi and put together so there's a lot of fake but but a good chunk of them there are no explanations for some of them even even uh the military now are are actually openly saying yeah we have inner inner uh encountered with these guys they're with these things okay but but what i'm saying is that like logically speaking okay let's say we have two possibilities we have either aliens are here or aliens or not right so if they're here okay if there's really aliens and people have more technology to capture aliens and UFOs on the film or on film on their phone or whatever on on a storage device on some kind of media um don't you doesn't it logically conclude or logically follow that we should see more evidence for aliens and um aliens and uh spaceships and UFOs and whatnot now yeah i don't think i would how would you how would you uh uh calculate that like is there is there actually someone looking into it or can you look at your stuff i'm not trying to i'm not really trying to give you a numbers example i'm saying look there's two two situations that can that can happen okay either one aliens are here and people are not photoshopping them in right uh like aliens are here but they're the people that are taking photos of them they're genuine photos the other thing is is aliens are not here therefore all photos of aliens are are manipulated whether it's manipulating the object they're taking a picture of or manipulating the picture okay those are really the only two options with every photo of an alien we have either really and that was really filmed or it's a not a real alien that was not really filmed so when we look at it and we say okay you and i are getting better at at deciphering real from fake now now note not everybody can get away with making a fake now right so now what should we see we should either see more pictures of aliens because more people are taking photos of them because they have more phones now that have cameras or we should see less because more people like you and i are able to be able to weed out the bullshit and it's not worth anybody's time to try to make a fake game more because you know a doc i think is with doctor disillusion he's a great it's extremely rare to catch it it becomes even it's a rare occurrence not actually but that but okay so that would mean that the aliens have acknowledged our tech not technological advances and pulled back and reduced their presence on earth that would be the only way for us to not have more photos of them given that we now have more ability to take photos there's more phones in people's hands per person and there's more people on the face of the planet that the if we were to say that the same percentage of humans had enter had alien interaction then we should see more photos and more evidence as the every year we should see more and more because everybody's getting phones in their hands and there's more people on the planet every year yeah but i don't even know i don't even know how it would begin to even look at that to make sure if someone's looking into it themselves the statistics on it i i'm not too sure on that right yeah i'm not really trying to quantify it i'm just saying like giving generalization just a logical general generalization we see less we see less why is that i mean the exact might be exactly doing that i'm sorry well it could be the algorithm they don't put the correct names and they you're not looking with the correct wording the algorithms could be messed up because you know how youtube is nowadays that you got to have a really good uh yeah but there's there's so many sites out there where you can post stuff to that it was a real alien photo would go viral and spread across the the world if there was a real one because we see the fake ones some of the fake ones go viral right because people they're really good fakes and it takes someone who's very knowledgeable to go in and say yeah look here's where we can tell that it's a fake and then that stops spreading and then the next one comes up oh look at this you know portal opens up over seattle no one in seattle reports it yeah that had a phone looking up i mean everybody can see i mean how many people do you think are looking up in the sky right now in you know in any major city like it where i'm at it's 10 o'clock at night there's lots of people that are that have their eyes open that can see things in the sky if a portal opens up you should expect more than one person to capture a video of it especially with everybody having phones it just it's a really when when the logic starts to fall apart that's when i start start having doubt in the belief once you're ready to go back in the q&a is we'll jump back in yeah we can go back you got it thanks so much gentlemen and uh let's see carry over thanks for your super chat they asked or they said illuminate illuminati confirmed please stop with the bs that's adam awkward saint they're coming at you they're calling me illuminati i thought it'd be him that was the illuminati he's trying to cover it up no yeah no they're they're they're saying uh from what you're saying tonight illuminati confirmed next up thanks nerd nerd angle they said i could show you just the tip sounds like steven steen one of his sock accounts thanks for that cajun crustation thanks for your super chat they said peridolia is a hell of a drug yes it is yes it is and and the thing is is that we've evolved to make that one of our strengths to be able to see and and like to be able to see another human and be able to recognize the facial features on the human to be able to to understand that that's you know us that that it's that's another human being we can look for patterns and emotion and be able to use pattern recognition to be able to tell when someone's angry or sad or happy you know these are things that that is built into our brain so it's no that's one of the things that as a as a conspiracy person you have to be able to accept those things about humans once you start accepting those things about humans then you can start questioning your own beliefs with that knowledge about how humans are how the brain works and what it's possibly capable of doing given a picture like that to come up it's really possible in our brains to go oh i see a flying saucer gosh but it's really just a rock formation thanks so much you can respond akrissan if you like otherwise i'll jump to the next one next one that's fine thank you twitch locan 16 says be right back folks ha ha that's they like they said the ha ha part not me i don't i'm confused next up thanks for that twitch locan though oh when you had to go to the bathroom okay that was that was awesome c4 thanks for your super chat they said everyone please don't pay attention to fractal escape unfortunately related we are related but fractal just is trolling fractal knows the earth isn't flat gosh i don't believe it's round gosh it duly noted thank you i was just about to ask you would have made a lot of sense yeah that's uh let's see xanthar thanks for your super chat xanthar2482 says i'm an application developer i'll debate anyone on cgi anybody believe me okay thanks for that ethan montier montier thanks for your super chat they said awkward saint if you're not tech savvy enough to handle an image attachment how are you tech savvy enough to detect the mothership from topographic picks because they make a uh deductive reasoning i guess gotcha and thanks so much from fight the flat earth who says bob the science guy versus wotan make it happen james that would be a fun one we haven't had wotan on in a while that would be a fun one would bob the science guy be willing to i think we know how wotan can get is bob the science guy okay with with wotans uh sometimes barbed personality i mean but you could tell wotans from new york city so i'm just kidding if you're from new york city folks um yeah uh can i point something out in the last comment you made you said that uh you you came to your conclusions using deductive reasoning uh deductive reasoning to come to a conclusion is good when you have all of the data and all of the information when you're working with something like this where you're the the information you're going on or at least the information that you presented me outside of the nasa pick uh was structure and i see what the i see the uh uh the shadowing of the structure and the shadows depict a ship to me that was yeah i know i understand understand i'm saying like you're working with just that amount of data so you also have to be able to accept that for yourself that your belief um that that's a spaceship is only a belief based on a limited amount of data when you get more data you should update your belief yeah i will positively or negatively i agree but i just i'm just saying like using deductive reasoning to come to a conclusion only works when you have a certain amount of information to because it if let's say i flip the coin one time and it lands on heads i could easily deduce that it would land on heads every single time i flip the coin correct now you're starting now you're starting to understand another part of it but what i'm saying is like when i work with only the set of data that i understand you know that i have to work with i can come to an incorrect uh deduction i can deduce an incorrect conclusion uh based on you know what i'm looking at if it's not complete you know which is in in that situation you're looking at a photo uh that's you know you're not really looking at a high-res photo you're not in like eight percent i think i'm right about it thirty percent i'm not so sure it's like 80 you said it's 80 30 okay i i'm not sure how you came up with that one but 80 30 works for me i guess um you want to meet 75 25 or do you want to meet on the outside at 65 55 yeah 80 20 sorry misspoke yeah all right now that works better that works better um i would agree that you know yeah at least you're coming in with a with a only an 80 percent um certainly i would still think you're putting that certainty a little bit high uh because even i looking at that i could tell it's not really a great photo to make a uh to make a definitive assertion about um but you know at least you're not coming to the table with it's 100 true and you know it for a fact based on a limited amount of information that would be hard to argue against yeah yeah got you thanks so much next up appreciate your super chat from let's see yeah so we will reach out to bob the science guy to see if you'd like to have a discussion with wotan we'll try to ask wotan to be on his normal friendly behavior so jail war and things for your super chat who said i'm sorry awkward saint the christians were a second temple judaic sect that arose during the first century roam it is a semitic originated religion the akkadian empire were mesopotamian predating the christians by over a millennium yeah but how old is the hebrus it came from hebru gotcha thanks for that and thanks for your super chat from syrups herself no joke that's her name there's only one name i like more than that and that's general ball sack but i haven't seen him tonight um but thanks for your uh super chat sarah she says she's being a real extra perverted tonight so she says james we should quote unquote wrestle and uh i'll raise your ladder gosh sarah seriously i've never heard that euphemism before she also wait there's one last thing that she said i love nickleback i listen to them all the time very sad sarah you don't have to share that okay fight the flat earth thanks for your super chat he says fight the flat earth versus nathan quote leave those kids alone thompson tell them james he is absolutely right folks if you have not seen it i do want to it is a far ways out so it's even after our debate tour however it's going to be kind of like as we get back into the normal swing of things after the debate tour the big it's fun to have like a big event after the tour and the one that we're going to do in order to do that big event is nathan thompson versus fight the flat earth that is up under our events right now and it is going to be an epic one folks i just really hope you hope you tune in for that one we have not seen those two cross swords before but we know that team skeptic you cross swords with nathan down in dallas yeah so here here's what i want to ask uh james for that debate will you uh please force each person to address the other person's evidence have a round where they have to address the evidence i felt like that was missing from our debate where um we went into directly into the um conversation part and he kind of avoided talking about any of my evidence and i really wanted him to do so i think that for that one i want nathan to be forced to address fight the flat earth evidence we can talk about different formats in which that might be possible no i don't want to change the format i like your format i'm just saying i want to make sure that he he didn't address any of my points at all zero your points was it uh was that any or whatever no i i uh i submitted uh silly at luxodus as a um as a uh proof of or as an evidence to sport gravity i saw i showed reds uh tape bay blink test as a uh piece of evidence to support curvature and uh let's see i i would have to remember what i submitted for uh rotation but i submitted three different evidence pieces of evidence and the first thing he did is pull up this some other whole evidence that he didn't even present in his in his opening and said hey look this is the skyline from chicago and didn't want to leave that doesn't doesn't understand fucking refraction the dude actually asked me if refraction was light being refracted over the corner or your eyesight being refracted over the corner uh i'm not even kidding he literally said that he would have better better luck at doing the uh the alaska uh wall this is the thing god show you and fight the platter also said that bob but i'm sorry uh bob the science guy said yes uh james i don't know if you saw that from that would be epic really fun so that would uh get all worked on um i can't remember what it is that vincent or victor i think victor victor yes it's uh if you've ever heard of folks if you've never heard the clip of when victor calls into the atheist experience you can hear him calling in i think it was matt dillante that answered right i think matt dillante was on the show that day and no i can't remember but it was it's good either way it's quite the show where uh victor or wotan wotan saran calls in and uh tries to persuade them of flat earth at the atheist experience so really fun stuff next up thanks so much for that uh last super chat let's see i think we that was the last one so thanks so much for that nathan and yes that's going to be a big one we are a little bit over past our time that we usually uh go so we do want to say we have one more super jet that just came in thanks j o warren who said awkward the Hebrews are groups of people that spoke the canaanite languages they are descended from the akkadians descended from the akkadian what were the akkadians then who were the akkadians i have to look that up to to see anything gotcha so thank you very much folks it's honestly a pleasure i honestly am just in such a good mood every time i do this you guys up you guys lift my spirits up after i'm like i'm usually pretty tuckered out but then this kind of gets this gives me that spring back in my step so thanks so much folks and want to remind you both of the speakers i put their links in the description that's just down there waiting for you waiting for you to click them and check out their stuff so thanks so much for being here it's been a true pleasure both team skeptic and awkward saint thank you i enjoyed it yeah it was fun absolutely so i'll try better i'll try i'll try finding stuff better maybe give my own telescope an actual take because i think some people do do that they look at the moon they actually can see stuff in their telescopes sometimes it would have probably been easier have you heard of the lunar wave yeah yeah yeah gosh i believe that's just a heat wave from plane passing by i think i think that's what the explanation is for like like if you zoom if you look out and it's it's kind of like a like a like a mirage right you're looking so far off because the the temperatures drop as you get closer to space right yes the higher you get the colder it gets yes the situation has a enacting vibration on the thing you're looking at yeah i'm pretty sure it's just the like the exhaust like the heat exhaust coming out of the plane expanding because planes literally generally flying a straight line their exhaust will also spread out like this as they they go out you know and it'll cause if you're looking at it just like a heat inversion line or not a heat inversion line but like a heat disturbance line like you would see coming off of a fire or something now the thing is is that you hear people contradicting themselves because like right now when you bring up the heat wave are you bringing that up as a ridiculous claim or not that you're making but that somebody else made a ridiculous claim that somebody else made or are you saying that there's something to be looked into when it comes to that no i think they just made a they made a uh miss assertion on what yeah absolutely yeah absolutely okay because i was gonna say there's people that say oh it's just that's the moon um the moon hologram coming back and and you're like some of those people are the same people that talk about you know like stuff like you're talking about uh structures on them yeah they're like what are their structures on the moon or is the moon holographic i mean i think there was mass just you look at the moon it was massly it was bombarded heavily by stuff well the one thing i can give you credit for is that from the debate that i watch with fight the flatter that you had and my debate here you've been consistent in your beliefs which suggests that you're not a poe and that you actually do believe some of this stuff um that you know just the only advice i could give you is just make sure you understand that even i have to remind myself that a lot of my beliefs that i have are based on biases and based on literally like you know what the uh trump saying he wants to make a space force i actually want to join the space force now because i want to go out there and look awesome looking awesome right how awesome would it be to go up there and see god's great flat earth you know oh i said it was flat oh man i think it's around no i know i'm giving flattery science biblically i think because uh it's still held up by the the construct of our order of it so it's still stuck where it needs to be so thanks so much gentlemen and we we did have a last super chat came in let's see c4 thanks for your super chat who said modern day debate and the ancient quote-unquote aliens came together for a secret collaboration to succeed at one united goal that goal was to censor c4 and they failed thank you c4 and with that i want to say thanks so much folks for being with us it's always a true pleasure no matter what walk of life you're from we hope you have a great weekend we will hopefully see you monday as mentioned that's our next debate coming up we don't actually it's the first weekend in a while where we actually don't have any on the weekend but we do as i had mentioned we do have that flat earth debate that is coming up and that will be between be between billy zig and tom jump so thanks so much folks and keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable take care