 I know. I hit though. They were live. There was a delay there. We played a lovely intro for you folks, but only we saw it. The thing was just spitting saying there was an error and then all of a sudden we're live. Anyways, just sing to yourselves. That's the intro. Anyways, welcome. Welcome to Hacktoberfest. There's my Hacktoberfest shirt. And we're off starting another month of Hacktober Festing, our second annual Hacktoberfest. So welcome to everyone, everyone who's here live and in the comments and those who are watching after the fact. And look at this. I have a whole panel with joining me today. I didn't even have to bribe anyone. So we have biscuits. I get, did I say biscuits? I don't know if I did say. We need you in honor everyone. Yeah, that's right. Yes. Sandy has agreed to make me an honorary appellation because one person who's sort of in the one ancestors, great, great, what was it, sixth great-grandfather and mother were from, from the American. So there's might be an appellation connection Anyways, we have Jamie below and Alesh to my side here and Sandy down on this corner over here. This is great. So wonderful. So Hacktoberfest, Jamie, you and Brian were really the brains behind this last year getting this whole project going. Well, I think you were the one who did a lot of the most of the work or a lot of the work. Anyways, it was a team effort. Yes. But I think you were the one who wrote, you were the one who personally invited me and wrote me into this. So do you want to give people an overview of what Hacktoberfest is in general? Sure. So Hacktoberfest, it's been going on for 10 years, not on WikiTree but just internet-wide, where it basically encourages people to make contributions to open source software projects and open source projects are things where anyone can contribute code and the code can be viewed by anyone. And so like it's just like a good thing for people to build free software projects for people to use. And so like last year, we were kind of trying to get some open source projects off the ground. There wasn't much activity yet. So I was like, oh, why don't we try, you know, we'll make our projects that we were trying to make a shared browser extension and try to get people to contribute to the dynamic tree. So it's like, why don't we make it part of Hacktoberfest? Give people maybe a little bit of extra encouragement if it also counts for the internet-wide one, because at least last year, if you made a certain number of contributions, you would get a t-shirt. They stopped that this year because too many people are participating now. Yes. So yeah, so we were like, oh, we don't know how much participation we're going to get, but let's try it out. And actually, we got a lot done. So I don't know if you want me to recap kind of what we last year. You want to do that? Or do you want me to do that? You can do it. I can do that. Okay. Well, as Jamie was saying, there was basically two prongs for last year. There was putting together a WikiTree browser extension. And we've had browser extensions that work with WikiTree, and we still have those. The WikiTree sourcer extension and the WikiTree B, but we didn't have an official WikiTree one. We also had a Lesh had a Kiddus, WikiTree plus one, right? And then Stephen had one. WikiTree, something, I don't remember. And then there was also WikiTree turbo. So there were like six, six, five? I just realized there were so many other ones. So we tried to consolidate them to a single one. A single one, yeah. And that made a lot of sense. We didn't quite succeed, but most of the things got put into it. Yeah. And the amazing thing. So yeah, so that came out and that was, that would officially went live, I guess, probably the early November for the Chrome and the Firefox version. Yeah, I think like at the end of October, we're like, okay, we're going to release this. Yeah. But the Safari one took a lot longer because of all the different extra hoops. But Jamie, you persevered to make that finally a real reality. I mean, I was, I was more of like, in the way. So the person that really helped was Jonathan Dew. He really helped move it along and he experimented for quite a long time. He finally got it. So it was automated. Oh, good. Yeah. It's great. It's on Safari and Ian's been keeping all three browser extensions updated. Yeah. And that's the amazing thing about the browser extension is it didn't just sort of stop. I mean, it's been ongoing. No, a lot was done during the rest of the year. Yeah. Not just October. No, no, it's been going gangbusters. Yeah. And Ian nonstop. And then the other aspect, the other prong was creating the adding apps to the dynamic tree so that they didn't have to run just on a separate server and be just sort of disconnected where you have to go to a different page, open it up and then go to the app. Like the fan chart, for example, the fan chart was on a separate server. So you had to go to a page linked to that and then go to it. But now what used to be Family Tree and Tools is now in Tab that says Tree Apps and it automatically loads into the dynamic tree. And it loads the couple's dynamic tree by default. But if you haven't refreshed your browser and it remembers the last time you're in, it'll load the app, your app of choice that was in there. And so, yeah. And that's kind of neat. So we, during that first month, we had, there was an unantough ancestor list was there. The dynamic tree. I don't know if the couple's dynamic tree was there initially in that first week, that in that first month. I think it might have been because I think that may have been the only thing that someone else had worked on before Hacktoberfest. Oh, yes. Okay. That's right. And then there's the family anniversaries and group view timeline. I think got there. The fan chart and fan doku game and the ancestor webs apps were ones that I added to that. And, yeah. And then we've added a few more apps throughout the year as well. So, and it just so it's so handy to have it, you know, when you're on any profile, you can just automatically go to, you know, whatever chart you want, whether it's a fan chart or something else. I think it's important also because it seems like on every profile, everybody misses that tab. This is tree apps. And I think it's important to have everybody know that what Greg's talking about is that tree apps tab. And I guarantee you we look at edit, you know, so much more or changes or privacy. So I think it's great and you've all increased, you might have created like a basic fan chart, but then you took it so much further as well throughout the year since this time last year. I think that's something else that we as users sometimes lose. I guess lose thought of we think, okay, it's October. You're going to give us a lot of items and throw us a lot of things, but you guys are constantly improving making changes to the ones you gave us as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we can't just we get an idea in our head. We can't just sort of let it go and say, well, Wait until you looked over. Yeah, no, I won't go away from it. Yeah, that way. So, yeah, let me ask you a quick question from a user perspective. Just real quick about since you kind of how many hours would you say do you dedicate to your volunteers as well for these apps and you're bringing these apps to us to use. So that, you know, you're putting considerable amount of your time into to make it better for us. So I guess the biggest thing is coming from a user's standpoint. Thank you. I because I will tell you, you gave me the suggestion. I use the fan chart as kind of my home page for my family. Oh, neat. Man, I wouldn't have done that if you hadn't created it and also made it a lot more than just a basic fan chart. So thank you to you three and all of you out there that have created so much for us. Like you said, it wasn't just in October. Well, you're welcome. It's our pleasure. It's great to see people using the work that we have done and knowing that all those hours are not just, you know, for nothing, banging our head against walls. It's definitely not. It's probably the last source of thought last weekend is a good example. I was there for the first source of thoughts, you know, and I get so much more accomplished. Yeah. Yeah. I did. I did too. Like I didn't do very many and the captain of the Canadian team called me up for that actually. All of the great mathematicians still only has one source done. She got it done quicker. I did do it quicker. So I ended up, I got, I changed it from one to a prime number. I did seven in the end. There you go. Because of the Sorcer extension and the the auto bio, those seven went a lot faster than they would have otherwise. I would have only had two done if I didn't have those tools. That's true. Very true. So anyways, yeah, guilty as charged. It was a much easier weekend than I intended. I was hoping that I could spend the whole weekend on wiki tree, but I had almost no free time to spend on wiki tree, except for when I was online for the live cast. Anyway, Sorcer for the win. Yes, Florian. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So that's, that's where we came. So the good question, the big question is, what are we going to do this year? And so Jamie, you've got, you had some ideas, some, some hopes and dreams or some goals in mind. Well, yeah. Number one, write better documentation so people that maybe haven't participated before have like easy step by step instructions on how to make their own app or contribute to one that's already existing and maybe have easy, like to show people how to set up their computer so they can download the code and test out stuff that needs the API on their own personal machine or on the app server, because I know that was, so last year a lot of actually what we did was kind of figuring out how to work together. Yes, that was quite the problem last year. It's so true. But it's kind of like we documented some of it, but there's still a lot of holes and so. So that's one thing is definitely better. Yeah, because I think, I think that was the biggest hurdle for me is just going from coding on my own and I had a little, I had my little corner of the app server, which I could FTP in, which means I could upload files at any point in time. And I was working by myself, so it didn't matter if there was no comments and the code and no one didn't have to worry about trying to let other people see what I was doing or trying to follow my logic or lack thereof. But all of a sudden, I had to code differently. I had to add at least a few comments in some places so people could follow it if they were going to add to it or fix it. But just getting the software working because it had to work slightly differently with GitHub and stuff. That was, I think that was the biggest hurdle for me. And then once that was going then. Yeah, I think that might be a big hurdle for a lot of people that may be interested or might have an idea, but they're just like, I don't know where to start. I definitely want, we want more people with new ideas and different skills to contribute. Because I mean, the people that have contributed already, everyone's great, but it's always good to have... There's more people out there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like if you follow, if you're subscribed to the WT apps, Google feed, or that's one of your tags, then you'll see people joining and saying, then I used to be a programmer or I've done this on my site. So there's a lot of programmers, potential app developers out there, people who've been, if either create their own or help with those. So yeah. Kay recently became co-leader of the apps project with me and she's been helping me get organized so we can do better at reaching out to those people that may not ever contact the apps project. Like they'll just be like, I'm interested, but may never join the Google group or may never email me or yeah, again, may not know where to start. So. So I figured, actually our first would be a good time to try to get some new people. I think that's an excellent idea. Yeah, that's great. The other thing you have on the list is that we're going to work on suggestions from users. So that's nice. I made a post a couple, I was only five days ago. I'll post a link in the chat. So yeah, we, I've been asked, or I asked people for their suggestions on what they want to see us do in the, oh, it, the comment failed to post. So I go. There we go. Oh, there it is. So yeah, so if you have an idea for a feature that you want to see in the browser extension, and, or you have a bug fix, like those are over the report. Or if you have, like if you want to see a tweak on one of the app or on one of the features, like, oh, I wish like, I could choose a different color here or I could, you know, anything. Or same for the tree apps. If you have an idea for a new tree app or a suggestion on how one can be improved or a bug report, feel free to post it in there. And we'll try to get to them this, this, this month. Excellent. Yeah. Have you checked the post? Is there, are there some there that might be interesting to, to check out? Um, oh, I think I've got it right here. Oh, 27 answers. Well, Ian already did. What's that? I said, one of them Ian already, already did. Oh, he is such an overachiever, Ian. Well, it was working on it. So, it is probably already up. It's probably already tested in already in, if it's Ian. Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah. There was, Peter Roberts asked for a button for tables and, And Ian already got it. Fish a few hours later. That's amazing. Chris has joined us in the chat, Chris Whitten, and yeah, he's mentioned that K-Nite and Ian, because all are also, are clothing. Yes, Ian is our, is the project coordinator. Oh. He's probably in charge of the, the browser extension just because he's, he's usually the one that's making all the changes. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. If he, if, if everyone had to wait for me to update all three of them every time Ian made a change, it would take a long time. Yeah, it's a pain. So yeah, there's some here about the CC7. Oh, there's Ian. Is Ian here? CC7 is a big one, I think. Everybody wants a CC7, something suggestion, I think. And the biggest one is, how do I tell who's worked on my CC7, because it just jumped up? Yeah. That one, I definitely track that in the connection finder, right, Alish? No, we don't. Yeah. Yeah. We would actually need to check all the profiles when they were last edited and that would hint that it could be the reason for a jump, but it's not necessary true. Right. So yeah, that's, that's, it's, it's interesting. It's sort of a monster. We've connected. Oh, now, sorry, Sandy, it looks like we're covering up with the What can we do? But there we go. Okay. I'm just showing the page here. And yeah, it's, it's a month, the CC7 is a monster in that people are loving it. And it's a great motivator for, for thons or just in general for adding to your, to the profile onto the health of the tree. But of course now people want more and they want to know more about every little aspect of it. So, but if it means that we have to restructure how the database works, then, then that's kind of a non-sign there, unfortunately. But, you know, maybe people, maybe there are other ways of approaching the problem that we just haven't thought of too. Anyways, that's a neat one. Let's see, well, it's oh, this he was just wanting something to button for tables and that that's the one you said that's already done, right? Yeah, that's great. They want to similar to xDNA compare. Peter's got wonderful ideas about things like other comparison shirts. Now here's one of those bug fixes you mentioned about Jamie. Yeah, the fan chart getting cut off. The mobile view of the tree apps is not, is not ideal in some scenarios and with some devices. So we do know that. I don't know the solution for it. I'm hoping that some of my colleagues will find the solution and help with that. But that's definitely something we're aware of and it would be nice to, to make it better. So it is more usable. Now, this is an interesting idea. And I want to want an idea for this app at one point in time, a one that you can list all the xCousins. So if you just said, I want all my second cousins three times removed. Sort of thing. I don't know what specific use case you would have for that precise type of cousinship. But, you know, it's kind of a neat, it's a neat idea to have that. So I have not created that app, but maybe someone else will. Maybe one of those build it and they will come. Yeah, that's right. I mean, we sort of had that with the, with the CC7. You can, you know that, if they're this type of cousin, then they're, they're five steps away, but there's lots of different relationships that are five steps away. So, yeah. It's an interesting one. So this was a, a bug that Tommy has. Is that a, that he's reported? So yeah, there's some good ideas here. So that's neat. And I think this is one that's been worked on or is in. No, it's already done. It's already done? Yeah. So some people just couldn't wait. Or they're reading Ian's mind. I mean, it is October. So it is October. Right. So legitimately, I mean, it's not like we said, don't work, don't do anything until the the live, first live cast. No, that's not the point. Maybe they are checking what, what was written and just putting ideas here. Oh, they're checking the product now. Yeah, that's right. So anyways, that's neat. Now, can anybody post a suggestion? It's not just people with the apps project or people that are assigned to October, right? Anybody at all? If you want anybody, anybody who has an idea. From every three years, yeah. And I would say there's probably no dumb idea. There might be ideas we can't do. But from, I just, from a user perspective, I know from living with two programmers, it's, we think differently. You know, the programmers think one way and an end user thinks another. So sometimes it could be just a button on a table. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. So many times I, when I create an app, I design it one way. I think this is how you're going to use it. Why would you not, why would you not go it in this order, do things in this order? And then the first time someone uses it, they go through this way and that way. Great. And you know, why is this showing up here? Why did you do that? So that's why, that's why we need you folks to help test things out. So that's a big thing. So if you're not a programmer, you can still help us out lots with Octoberfest by signing up to be a tester. And in a little bit, I'm going to show you the app that I'm planning on working on this month. And hopefully we'll have it in good enough shape that we can add it to the tree apps by the end of October. Here is hoping that I get some more free time also, sometime in the middle of October. So I'll show you that. And so I'll keep you in suspense till then. But Alesh, you went through and came up with like 10 different ideas. Or so. Yeah. Do you want to share some of those? Well, mostly I went through the Wikitree browser extension and I was checking what's new and because it's developing so fast that you quickly fall behind and you have no idea what is developed and how it should be used. So and while I was checking it and in detail, I also got quite a few ideas how we could further improve the things during this month. So I already wrote them in the G2G posts. But okay, I can also go quickly through them. Share. Share. Present. Share screen. Yeah. I concur with Chris right there. I do too. Be curious to Ian. He's on top and he's quick. Yeah. Okay. So here. So one would be to the search boxes that you where you have on each page ability to go directly to search on Google for help pages and so on to add also the link to the Wikitree Plus where you could find really up to date help pages or space pages and projects all kind of pages since they are included on the search or if you would search for profiles you would also get what you're looking for. And additionally, we could actually someone could write the detailed search query builder for Wikitree Plus. I think I should write that but too easy to do that. So I'm putting it out if someone wants to do it I will be happy with it. Or maybe I will during this month to make something new. Okay. Well, one thing I noted like the K Knights bio check app links directly with Wikitree Plus. Yes. That's a really neat integration there. So potentially other apps could do that as well. Correct. Yes, of course. I provided the Jason search results. So any app could query for anything on Wikitree Plus and use the results for what they want. It's really easy to use. You say easy. Yeah. That's good. So then the in the family list on the right it would be interesting to see the parents ages of at the time of birth. So like we have with marriage this would be a good addition to the family list there. Okay. Then the very very popular thing at the top that shows how far you are from the profile and your relation to it. It's not quite optimal. It makes two queries to the API with and it's asking for much more that is really needed. So we should try to do that via there. I can write direct response to return what is needed directly in the connection finder. So this request would go faster and easier for the servers. So this is something I need to do with Brian. And it would improve the extension. Then okay the location status is although I later find out that it's in the making and it should be when you are adding person you can add the location status and but it should be available soon within. Yeah. It was actually supposed to be done a while ago but apparently it's only on the ad unrelated person page. We're adding family. Page it more people. Well I was missing it now during the source aton and I just wrote that this could extension could correct that but if it will be done internally even better. Perfect. Then gender predictor I noticed that it was not quite good for Slovenian names. A lot of Slovenian names were not predicted. So and I have a whole database of from victory with gender prediction with the gender. So I can make those predictions quite good and the extension could be upgraded to in case there is an uncommon name that it asks victory plus for the gender for that name. So this could be one of the improvements. Okay this is more like a bug that I noticed. Yeah okay too. This is also a minor thing. And then the language settings for the place name. It's now now you can select the language but then all place names are in that language and it could actually based on the location you enter it could predict the language in which the location should be and ask the ask in that ask for a location in that language. So if I write Slovenian location I wouldn't get English name of Slovenia but it would be like Slovenia as it should be. As it should be. So okay these were nine ideas I got yesterday. Nine ideas. Excellent. Those are great. Yeah we've had some. Okay go ahead. Yeah go ahead. Okay well I was going to say we have some we have some questions in the chat. I've started a few things. First off Florian mentioned that the wikichu browser extension does integrate with wikichu plus for the category management. Yeah also that was done recently. Yeah so that's another there. And Murray one of his suggestions so the fan chart has a mock profile preview and he said he likes to see a profile preview in most tree apps. So the idea being that there's common code that could be used. So there is some some common code certainly and I reuse a bunch of code from my fan chart to the fractal tree and it was actually based on some of the original stuff that was in the dynamic tree so some of that code sharing can certainly. Yeah I think Murray I I think he was the one that brought this up with me earlier. He wanted it to be the same as on the wiki tree site you know where you hover over a profile name and it. Ah right. I don't know if mine does exactly that. But there's definitely some places where we could be a little smarter. Since yeah we already last year we already tried to make some common code that all models of the extension would use but we are not really that that successful we did a few things but mostly every model is written on its own. Now during the years I once went and I did centralize all the subsequent calls to wiki tree servers and put them in one model so they all use the same code at the bottom. And so that part is kind of centralized in the browser extensions for the apps I don't think it is but maybe we should do that during the October Feast. October Feast. Okay right yeah October Feast is close to me. That's right yeah. I think many of the tree apps have switched over to use in the get people API where they can where that makes the most sense and also adding an app ID so that the stats can. Yeah that's also something we wanted to use and it showed quite good because now I get the stats for each extension. How much traffic is it causing and so on. So we tried with then we can focus on the most used parts of the extension or application to improve them or to make additional calls that would support and make things faster. So what would be helpful for developers if there was a report and I don't know if daily or weekly what the right frequency would be a report that developers could could just access instead of having to ask every time to regenerate that report of the. Well I did post it a few times in the discord. Yeah and I've seen it when you post it but if it was automatically generated then we could just go to it when we. Well it's not completely automatic because it's on the data is on Wicked Reservers and I have first to transfer it to my computers then I can make those reports. So I can do it occasionally so it's not a problem just ask. Okay then it'll probably be asked for a few times this one. Yeah no problem. Shelly had a question. She said I would like a search box for people in the tree to accommodate middle names. This would cut down the retrieval because if you know that it's got a very common first last name but the middle name is more unique than that would help. And someone suggested that would be Jamie suggested. You've already you're working on that. Yeah so earlier this year one of our one of our big projects was to improve the search and so we went through all the suggestions that have been made since the last time we updated the search which was a while ago and then I put quite a few items into like a to-do item it just hasn't been worked on yet. So you can already do it on Wicked Tree Plus so you can search explicitly by middle name and that too. Which segues nicely into Steven's question is there a button in our profile that can link to Wicked Tree Plus and my... Well that was the idea I brought. One of the ideas to search on Wicked Tree Plus. Right so that's one of the ideas yeah it's not I'm surprised there's not already an option in the Wicked Tree browser extension to add a Wicked Tree Plus search button or some type of query button. No not yet eh? So some that's a good idea Steven someone will take you up on that probably. Ian's in the chat he may be doing it now as we see. Hard to say. Let's see oh yeah I saw where was it here I got a... Oh come on there was a funny comment here there it is Ian for president. Like a country any country here for president. We don't actually have a president in Canada but we might if Ian ran. So going back to let's see so testers developers documentation there is a really good documentation for the Wicked Tree browser extension and Murray who's actually in our chat. Yes I would like to really say thank you because he really did a lot to write the documentation and it's really nice. I just was reading it yesterday and it's everything is documented really good and in a nice way so really professional work. Yeah it's up. Two thumbs up for Murray. And in fact I chorus asked pleaded for him to do the same thing for the fan chart which he has done. So if you if you've gone if you go to the fan chart you'll notice that there's a question mark in the button bar and thanks to Murray you click on that it opens up a free space page which is a comprehensive help document for the fan chart and he's done the same wonderful work with lots of screenshots. And I mean it was it helped me debugging because he would find things because he was delving into every little setting and every little thing. Also with the extension he found a few yes at the fine things and so so we cleared them out. Yeah that type of detail is is very impressive. So but there's more than just the fan chart there's lots of tree apps there that could could benefit from the same thing. We don't have Murray doing all of it. If I want to work on mine someone else finds another document but anyway if this is if that's one of your skills is putting together free space pages doing some some technical writing and you know making instructions so that people can follow them. If that's something you're good at then let us know because there's lots of programmers usually aren't I mean I've got some skills but but it pales in comparison and being succinct and precise isn't always my emails are quite long often so yeah so that's another thing that we can certainly use help with for Oktoberfest. I did send a message out to some of our other app developers Kay has said that this month she's plans on collaborating with other developers to integrate the bio check profile checking into other tree apps views including the cc7 and others that she mentioned on on the free space page she also she's also planning on a couple of bio check enhancements on her own app better reporting for category not in proper order and checking for the proper order for navigation boxes for example some of the things that she's planning on working on and Ian said that Ed mentioned and I mean he's here already and we've already talked a lot about what he's done but he his post originally to my question was that on October first he updated the wiki tree browser extension with the new wiki table wizard and a new grouping system in the clipboard and notes which is exciting because I saw that that is huge that is huge if you join say five projects you did have all your information your stickers your categories organized now I love that that's my favorite so far I went to the wiki tree browser extension face page or free space page the help page and I saw this in the thing so I thought wow this is great and then I tried it and it wasn't in the live the current live version I needed to switch over to the preview version to to get that but I was so excited by the possibility so now that it is live that's that's fantastic wow and he's just added the button to the editor toolbar to expand it to the full area just as he suggested and he's also planning on moving he's working on adding tables to category pages it's in B and he's moving it over to the wiki tree browser extension and improving it of course he's improving it that those are his goals and if you're interested I can show you the app that I'm working on right now so let me just so here is the there's the fan chart free space page though that Murray's put together I'll zoom in a little bit the how to guide and you can see like it goes through setting up starting the fan charts examples all the different the pop ups like it's just very comprehensive so it's excellent excellent work so I am working on a brand new app and let me just refresh it I call it the super big family tree app will it work for Petty? oh patty I don't know oh patty he will probably kill it not now that I think about it what can you send off for testing have fun yeah oh my that is true I haven't thought of that B is not dead no Thorin does sorry I just noticed that B is not dead no B is not dead there's lots of good stuff in there I didn't mean to suggest that so anyways of course this is just this is it's in very drafty form and in fact it's so drafty I'm not quite ready for collaborators because I have to fix a few but it was working pretty good up until about two weeks or so ago and then I made one improvement and I've ruined a bunch of stuff so I have to figure out what it is that I did that and then I've just been busy getting ready for a conference so what's the premise what what will this do for me so what's the I wanted to get the people in view so you could okay well you know what it's just such a huge family I chose the premise is it's a super big family tree so instead of just a straight pedigree with just your ancestors or just a descendants with your children and their grandchildren I wanted a chart that you could print out as big as as deep and high and as wide as you needed for say up an upcoming family reunion so that's cool so the default so basically in the button bar the key things that you is you have basically these controls you can control the number of ancestors up to seven the number of descendent generations again up to seven the number of cousins and the default is none of them but up to third cousins I think it was the setting I was going to use and whether or not to show the in-laws in the family tree as well so I've got this sort of working for a minimal amount the default is the setting you see here two layers of ancestors so the primary person here in this is Joseph Ashira Maku who is my great-grandfather and so you see his parents and grandparents so two generations of ancestors one generation of descendants so you see his children and you can see he came from he had a large French-Canadian family with 12 is it 12? you got 12 12 kids and Joseph the one with the picture of course is my grandfather and no cousins no in-laws but it also is will include his his siblings so basically his nuclear family right so it's got his wife and as well as his siblings and their wives or husbands partners and of course he himself was one of 12 so that's a long line there as well so now I'm going to zoom out a little bit that's a connect-a-thon waiting to happen just that family that family is yeah yeah and it really is I haven't gone back to this family in oh a year and a half I think so it doesn't it's not nearly as complete as I want it to be so I can fully test this so so I guess that's another thing we need people testing and adding connecting so we can fully test this app so let's first of all I'm going to add more descendants so I'm going to click plus so now we have not only his children but his children's children and then and you notice when we did that then the the partners of the children show up let's add a third there I am and then if I clicked one more you would see my wife and my three children who are living so I won't do that just not that I'm afraid of showing them they're they're okay they know that they know that you know that they exist but you know anyways there you have it three generations of descendants now if we add another generation of ancestors say there we go and we can go further but I'm not going to because it might break again the fun thing is adding the cousins so the first level of cousins is basically just the aunts and uncles so what I mean by that is by clicking that I'm going to get the aunts and uncles of the primary person so I'm going to get the brothers and sisters of both his parents but in fact it will also give you the brothers and sisters of all of the ancestors so if I had added additional brothers and sisters for Louis Marku or Michel Bourbonnet over here they would have shown up but again I didn't I initially went back and deep but not wide with this family so but they're all probably 1012 people in the family so it would have been exponential at that point but let's add another layer of cousins so now we get to see the first cousin so the aunts and uncles and their children will show up if I have them here and see now it's starting to overlap this overlapping wasn't happening two weeks ago but you can see I've got some relationships that are overlapping and let me see if I do this there we go we've got some and if I do one more level say second cousins so you can sort of see if you zoom let me zoom in and maybe you can sort of see the complexity of this and you can see that the there's some overlapping here that wasn't supposed to happen but imagine like this is just going to be one massive when I've got the spacing all working again this will be just one massive family oh look at that and then the final piece is the ability to show the in-laws as well and they show up in a sort of a light gray since they're not connected they're not related by by blood and so here we go let's zoom down here so here's my mother actually and there's the in-laws her in-laws I don't know where Germaine Cloutier I don't know where her in-laws went but there's a set of in-laws anyways this is what it looks like sort of now with those parameters and anyways I have to do some some fixing to get the the spacing to work but that's the app in a nutshell I think it will be a very cool app for visualizing a a massive family we could just save it and take it to our printer and then you save it take it to your printer send it have them printed on you know because the printers can print like massive sizes I mean it costs a little bit but if you're doing a family reunion then you know that type of that expenses is justifiable right or if you have a big blank wall in your room in your house that you just want to build we could print you also to see that now we'll take will you add pictures we'll be able to add the photos well you can see there not here if you have there we go if you have the photo attached to the profile currently it's using it's using a lot of the same code that the fan chart is built on so the so the settings looks exactly the same but most of these don't work so again if I have collaborators programmers who will work with me then one of the jobs I will assign them is to go through and make the different settings because work because with the fan chart it only had to worry about you know father's mother's father's mother's and ancestors going straight up which what seemed complicated at the time when I made it but now as a piece of cake compared to this beasty so the code to make the settings work is there but there's a some logic that needs to be tweaked but once you do that once then you can probably do that for many of the similar settings so that's one of the sort of sub jobs that I would contract out to other hacktoberfest subcontractors as it were I think it looks great I think it's a great idea especially you'll get it done before the holidays as well that's the plan could be could generate a few Christmas presents yeah so um that's that's what I'm works it's not just on your computer I'm looking it's online oh yes in fact yeah I could I will you know I suppose there's there's unless it's it's causing a huge draw on the server I could share the URL for it if people want to play with it you know is there is there a problem with me sharing that Alex now if it works I think it's okay okay then there we go so that is a a direct link to my test server so as I test out apps and change things the link that I just posted in the chat there is will take you there so now I should warn you if you use that I mean you can use that that will get continually updated as I work through the month and whatnot but often I'll make a change and like you saw here a change will break things so don't rely on this if you need something in an emergency because it may work or it may not work and that just means it's a work in progress but anyways you're welcome to you know spy on me and whatever team I can assemble to help me out throughout this month it's cool you get spouses parents also cool yeah that's the idea is that's the that's what the in-laws should do and at one point in my plan the let me just refresh this again because now I'm cut this it's all out of whack there we go at one point I was considering that the in-laws instead of just showing the parents might show the parents and siblings of the spouses so you sort of get a whole picture of the you know the family that the spouse came from right because I don't know I found that in my research that to get a real sense to get a sense of a family you not need to know not not just their parents but like you know were they an only child they come from a family of three or a family of 12 sort of thing and so I think that's interesting and the interesting visually but of course then I would just add one more layer so a possible a possible enhancement to could be to add siblings to the in-laws but let's get this one I'd like to get this part working first so I think I'll focus we'll focus on making sure that three generations of ancestors and descendants and up to at least second cousins are working really solid with the in-laws so we sort of have a bare minimum of different things to play with and then once that is really solid then adding the extra generations may be a piece of cake ideally so there we go that's the that is what I am planning on doing and I'm hoping that I get some people who are willing to help me out with as testers and maybe some collaborating programmers as well I was and I mean I was hoping that someone would also sort of help with the documentations when we get to the point where there's actually something to document and we have some sense of what the setting will be and that sort of thing because I just there's going to be a lot of options and so it is one of those apps that could definitely benefit from a guide so um that's all I have to say about that so it sounds like for HackoverFest you need suggestions and a lot of suggestions on anybody's programmer jump in they could or maybe create their own app have their own ideas or hack out join your join somebody already has something created testers documentation your typical software cycle that's right that's right room for everyone in here in this party if someone has an idea like that they just want to do themselves so they're free to do that oh yeah but yeah for gathering suggestions just for people that may not have an idea but still want them so it doesn't have to be technical you don't have to know technical if you have an idea if you you could say I want this you know whizzy bang thing does this or that and on wbe4 parents and I'm sure you guys will figure it out what it is or even I'll have it done in five minutes that's right that's right yeah so there and ask a good question he's already found a bug well I knew there's a bug I I admitted there were bugs from you know yeah so I I'm not hurt no report no reporting cough bugs on these you know what I have all right well until until I get to a point where I've got it back to where it was at least at least a little more reliable don't worry about sending me bugs because I know there are some of the bugs are larger than my head you know it's in this in some places but when we get to the that point and with other apps and other projects like the the extensions and stuff anyone who's signed up for October Fest will have access to the discord channel correct and if they're not a discord member there are there's a video on how to become how to join discord I'll probably also make a g to g post maybe for people who don't want to join discord I think we did that last year I need to double check for people to report bugs or you can just post it in the ideas thread I mean it's the same yeah that's a good idea I found I found the discord is the the best way to get my attention often because the g to g except for the g to g post that the lesh makes and he tags me in it so that I always get on the news so I mean you could do that but in the October Fest discord channel if you you can report the bugs there and if one thing like if the super big tree is taking over we could make a sub channel for that so that people aren't interested in that don't get bombarded by all this traffic and stuff or private message to yeah all of those things will work but for now I know their bugs I will fix it and then I will let people know when it's time when it's a little more presentable but I'm hoping that'll happen it won't happen this weekend I'm a little busy this weekend but hopefully sometime next week we'll get to that stage so I think I'm excited about good there's any messages in the chat that I haven't that I've missed that we should uh highlight oh Patty did ask a question about is this app for both bio and adopted parents currently I'm just using the parents that you're that from the profile but that is definitely a feature that I will add is I'm going to make this adoption friendly so that you'll have the option to choose which line or both lines and if you choose both lines then what will happen is from the primary person instead of the two parents the you'll have a box that'll see say biological and adopt a box that's the adoptive or maybe the other I'm not sure which order to put them in and then from then from there you'd have the adoptive parents and the biological parents or vice versa which are sort of things so it would sort of look like your immediate ancestor your immediate parents are not actually parents they're just labels that will go to the other one but or you can choose to show just the bio or just the adoptive one so that is a plan and whether we'll get to that by the end of this month for the first version of it I'm not sure but it's definitely in the long-term plan to make my long-term plan is to make all of my apps adoption friendly so that there was a new a proposal posted today I think just today obviously he doesn't know about you I don't know about that yeah so it's been to the top of GGG if anyone wants to oh okay that about non-violence or bio-violence break breaking news so so yeah it may not get done this month depending on we end up doing with that oh and I would say that you are guilty for that I am guilty for that you wrote the support in one of your apps yes and I liked it and I started to think how to implement it in connection finder okay and as we discussed now we finally come to the conclusion that it would be best done internally oh look at that wow folks a scoop well that is it's a three-hour old scoop so I'm sorry I didn't I missed it you guys here you heard it here first maybe look at this oh this is very exciting oh I even get a shout out in the middle of the post okay well so to answer your question Patty for sure there will be support I I shouldn't promise that it'll be ready by the by the first release of this tool but it will happen it will happen for sure great well thank you all for joining me any last words anyone no okay and thanks for everyone who was here in the chat and everyone who's volunteered and it's not too late you can still sign up for October Fest if this is wedded your appetite and you haven't signed up yet and you can see yourself in one of those areas programming documenting bug testing fixing giving ideas creating apps in your own working on the extensions any of those feel free to sign up did we put the link to the sign up if not it's in the in the ggg yet I don't I don't have the link handy yeah there is a Hacktoberfest pinned to the top of ggg you can find the there you go yeah let's go to ggg it's pinned to the top oh I could probably show you that right I go to ggg there it is Hacktoberfest kickoff and videos so yeah and the link should be in there and then also a link to the ideas there's the ideas tab yeah yeah there excellent well we'll see you next week and we'll let you know what's what's been happening and our progress and maybe I'll have some I'm hoping that I'm I'll be joined by this lovely panel and maybe we can coerce a few developers to join us or or documentors or testers or someone we'll see how that works out but anyways see you next week bye