 This is not how the Nintendo Prime podcast really starts. I told myself that I was going to do this. You had five minutes, Andres. I told myself I was going to do this the way Nate does it, because it's his podcast. But I couldn't help but just be awkward to start things off. But welcome, everyone. This is Andres Restart. I am not a typical person who hosts this show. Usually, that's Nate, Nintendo Prime, because it's Nintendo Prime's channel. But he asked me to do this for him, because he's currently not well, but he's getting better. So don't get too worried and upset. But yeah, Nate, he said this stuff publicly, so I think I can talk about it. But basically, he came down with both COVID and pneumonia at the same time, got very sick, had to be hospitalized. And that's why, the last few days, he has not been able to make any videos. But he had set this up. Wes Nemo is here. Sunbro Nation is here. Jake Randall's here. I'm here. So we're still going to have a good discussion tonight. We're going to talk about Nintendo's nominations of the Game Awards. We're going to talk about some stuff that popped up with PRO and the Nintendo Indie Showcase. Or else we're talking about this studio that has already been making games for Nintendo, but now has been named from Bandai Namco. And it's going to be interesting night for sure. So yeah, we're still talking about Nintendo. It's still happening. He's recovering. He'll be here. And it's going to be a good time. But with that all said, guys, thanks for being here. And Wes, I think it's been a little while since you've been here last. How about you introduce yourself to everyone? What up, gamers? How we doing over in chat? What's up, guys? Wes here, a gaming creator. Post a bunch of stuff, do a lot of things, and excited for a conversation. For sure. I feel like headphone users are in for a treat with Wes tonight. You could just like, read me any story to sleep anytime, bro. What if I'm like, look at that laugh. My Atlanta. And then we got some, bro. We're turning. How you doing, buddy? Doing good. Happy to be back. Well wishes to Nate. I hope you get a full recovery very soon, but I'm happy to be here and looking forward to discussing all things Nintendo. So hopefully a lot of people know me here. I've been here a few different times, but if not, Sunburn Nation's YouTube channel, and I mean, primarily Nintendo focused news videos is what I upload there. So we should have a lot of good stuff to talk about tonight. And just, Andres, just for the record, we're not doing the standard what we've been playing lately. I don't know if we want to do that or not. Oh, see, I was gonna do that after. After, okay. After introductions. Hey, it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it. Okay, okay. The thing I like about Sunburn tonight is he is coming in good spirits and is gonna try to keep it clean. We're not guaranteeing anything, but we're trying. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure like a guarantee, but alas. And we got Jake Randall, the other co-host here, keeping it clean apparently. How you doing, buddy? Well, keep it clean tonight. Guys, I'm keeping it clean. Is that a guarantee? I can't do it. Are you being a maybe, you know, very careful with your wording similar to maybe President Shuntura Furukawa during the financial briefing? That's exactly what I was going for. I was like, can I channel that? And that's what I'm going for. But real quick before we move on, just shout out to Nate. Reminds me of what's going on with my wife because I have a wife and she's beautiful. She used to be a model around the world. I used to have posters of her in my garage and she asked me to marry her, but she's beautiful, but she's dying. But just like Nate, she's gonna get better. And I also, I don't live in a hotel. So all that stuff is true. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I didn't know you were married. Yeah. Well, now you know. Congratulations. I'm very happy for you. Apparently my mic is messed up. I haven't restarted my computer since I got back from my trip, so. Are you on the same mic? Yeah, but everything was like shut down, like completely shut off when I turned it on my computer. And that's why I was late. But I'll mess with it a little bit. All right, you can keep going. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, so I think I'm doing a pretty good job of doing the typical Andres podcast, which is very awkward. But with that all said, how about we go into typical Nintendo Prime podcast fashion and over what we have been playing lately? So, Wes, what have you been up to? Well, mainly, mainly been Alan Wake too, trying to get through that game, trying to play through Baldur's Gate 3 as well. Yeah, just pretty much those two. Got to get a backlog that's a mile long. So, you know, trying to get through it. Yeah. Do you feel like you've played through the nominations? I mean, you just said you're playing Alan Wake, but... Yeah, so I've beaten like 23 games this year. I'm counting. Wow. So I've played through quite a bit of the nominations. I got to get through Baldur's Gate just cause, you know, like if I'm going to criticize it or like criticize the nominations and stuff, I want to be able to play through the game. So I've got a little time, but I'm going to try to get through it. I've only played through two of the Game of the Year nominations. Yeah, I wonder which ones. You might be surprised. I don't think so. There's one more I plan on playing. I just haven't gotten around to it. But we'll talk more about that later. Sumbra, what have you been playing lately? Okay, so I just wrapped up. God, there's so many good games to play in 2023. I can't imagine how anybody would be unhappy with the type of releases we've seen this year. Talk about a backlog. I haven't gotten everything I want to play yet, but Mario Bros. Wonder, I just wrapped up the 100% run because I did. Andres, I think you said you were doing the same thing where on my first playthrough, as I was going, I was trying to 100% everything. So I wouldn't even move on to the next world until I went back and got all the purple coins and flagpoles and everything. And let me tell you with zero spoilers, the special world that I'm sure everybody knows about. Dear God, that final challenge is insane. So after almost probably 30 plus deaths, maybe more, it could be more, yeah, because I went back and got lives. So anyway, hitting that, that was one of those Dark Souls-esque handshaking, couldn't believe I finally had the perfect run, like legitimately hard 2D platforming. I was super happy with it, super satisfied once I got the payoff. Yeah, that was, I mean, I tweeted about it just a little bit after the nomination happened, because I had beaten the game, literally the morning of the nominees dropping. And I was so glad to see Mario Wonder in the conversation, which I know we're gonna hop into more later, but that, for a 2D platformer to be able to do that in 2023 and feel as fresh and creative as it did, like, I mean, I'm a bigger Zelda guy than I am a Mario guy, but that made me that much more of a 2D Mario fan. I can't wait to see what they do next. So do you think 2D is enough D? You don't need, you don't need a 3D? For a 2-inch destroyer, 2D is plenty of D from what I hear. You heard it, you heard it here. Yeah, you guys are definitely keeping it clean. More than enough. So cleanly, yeah, Mr. Clean might just like, cluster the walls at any point right now. Yeah. Oh yeah. I do think it's interesting though. Inclusivity, very clean. If you're even drinking liquid death, that's about as clean as it gets. That's pretty clean. Yep, like almost no sugar. Isn't it no sugar? Cause it's just water? No, it's the ice tea though. Oh, okay, okay. I think there is a little bit. All right, well then, it's not that clean after all. I stand corrected. Six feet, it's still pretty clean. Okay. I was gonna say a sum, bro. I do find it interesting how Mario Wonder has come out and done when it's done. Like I remember going back to like, you know, around when tears of the kingdom was coming out. Before Mario Wonder had been announced, like there was talk that tears of the kingdom would be like the last big switch game for a long time. And now we have Mario Wonder, which I think fits that bill. Unless, I mean, it depends. There was a lot of conversation about what that definition would mean. But Mario Wonder, it sold a lot. People love it. It's been nominated. I mean, so I don't know what else you can say. It's a pretty darn good game. Yeah, I think that's definitely, like that quote was so kind of up for interpretation because it depends on who's saying it. You know, like, I think it was somebody, I want to say, I know Andy Robinson kind of backed that up too, but at some point it was coming from somebody at IGN. It was saying there's no like heavy hitters quote. There's a couple people, yeah. A couple of people that were hearing that, but then it seems like later as time went on, it sounded like they were hearing that, oh no, there is more stuff. There's a little lull after tears of the kingdom, which really you can argue there wasn't much of one. I mean, if you count Pikmin 4 and stuff in there, and you know, I don't know. It just, it didn't seem like Nintendo really fell off this year at all. But Mario Wonder, as far as an original game, blew me away. And I do think too, the other perspective on that is like, if people don't count remakes and remasters as anything notable because then you could argue that like Mario RPG doesn't count as anything that's really that much to get excited about. But I disagree with that. I love remakes, remasters, but I know not everybody in the gaming industry does. Well, yeah, I mean, we got Metroid Prime remaster. We got Advance Wars. We got Curvits of Turn to Zero and Deluxe. We got, yeah, Mario RPG. You might have talked about this last week, but you had a banger tweet about Metroid Prime getting snubbed. Oh, mine? Yeah. With Resident Evil 4 being in the conversation as a remake, what do you think about that for? I guess we're getting off topic. No, you went off. You went off on Twitter. All I just said is I think it's idiotic. You were more aggressive than that even, but I loved it. I guess, I don't see Andreus getting all fiery. I guess the point I wanted to make is just that it's not that I don't think Resident Evil 4 is not deserving, because Resident Evil 4 is my favorite games of all time. I haven't played the remake yet. That's the third game I will play soon. But it's more so just that Metroid Prime remastered from a critical acclaimed perspective is one of the best of the year, technically even higher than Resident Evil 4. And it's a really good game. It's the best-looking game on Switch. And it's not in any nomination. I'm not talking about it needs to be for Game of the Year, but there's nothing about any of the nominations or any of the categories that's celebrating this game that's clearly one of the best releases of the year. And I just feel like there's something wrong with that. Like, yes, I could argue, go on. Do you think it should be in Game of the Year over Resident Evil 4 or Super Mario Wonder or both? No. I do think there is something to the idea that a remaster maybe doesn't have as much claim to Game of the Year. I agree with that sentiment, actually. But you do believe that Resident Evil 4 is more deserving to be in the Game of the Year? Conversation? Yeah, I would say that. Yeah, I would say that just because it's more than just a remaster, right? That it has new content, it's been totally redone. It is more of a new offering. And I do personally dock points for just being a remaster. And when I say dock points, I just mean in terms of Game of the Year conversation. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be celebrated. I think there are other categories. And you're non-biased. You'd love to see it. That's keeping it goddamn clean. Well, I mean, you could argue I'm still being biased, just not biased enough. I don't know, you're being pretty fair. Yeah. I mean, so there are other categories where maybe it could have been in, like maybe Best Action Adventure, for example. That one, I think Primary Master would have, it, I think that was a place that could easily have been nominated or there should just be another category for remasters and remakes. I think you could make a solid argument for that. I feel like we've needed that for a few years now. Yeah. You know, especially like when Union Falls came out, like, I don't know. Oh yeah, that was a fantastic one. We didn't get to, like, we're, like, you just kind of look at, like a lot of the games we play, like I would argue that for a lot of gamers, they're playing older games that have been enhanced or repurposed in some way. So that's kind of dominating a lot of the play time throughout the year for gamers. Is the game war is actually truly representing everything? Like they, I think they should also be celebrated. Yeah. But this is off topic, so. I mean, it's related. It's related to the game war nominations, but what have you been playing lately, Jake? Has there been anything involving cleaning or keeping it clean? I mean, I've been playing, I've still been playing Pokemon. Like, like so. It's not clean at all. I don't know. But I was not on the podcast last week because I drove from New Hampshire to Michigan to visit my mom. And then last week was the day I got back. And I was like so tired. I was in pain from the 800 mile drive back. It just like took me out. So I didn't play much. Well, I was visiting my mom because I was hanging out with her every day. And I didn't really play much this week, but I still, I'm continuing to play, like the gen one and gen four games. But it's technically, it's technically the first two. So it's Leaf Green, which is gen three, I guess. And then Heart Gold, which is gen four. And I've like well past beaten the games now, but now I'm trying to get a living dex within both games. If that makes sense. And 21, that doesn't know what that means. It basically means catch one of every Pokemon in the game and have it in your PC in the game. And that doesn't mean like catch one, evolve it, that counts as both. Living dex means you have one of each of every evolutionary line. So I don't know. Is it like a marketing where you have to have each gender? Yeah, except for like the, when there's three stages, you have to have all three. But oh no, no, oh, I see what you mean. The gender, no, I don't care about that. I don't care in case the world gets flooded and you have to, you know. No, just literally one of each. They're Pokemon, they can all just bang ditto. It's fine. That is true. Yeah, that didn't mean the queen bee at all. I don't know, there's something so like comforting and relaxing to me about doing that. Like it's just like, I don't know. I get like the same feeling when I just like organize, like I'll boot up my PS5 and like organize my storage on my games and not even play my games. And it's just like, I don't know. It gives me like that same thing in my head where it's just like, I'm not really playing, but like it's comforting to me, like building Legos. I don't know. No, that's fine. I understand it. What's comforting for me, and this is me going into what I've been playing lately, is the Mario Wonder. Just going through and making sure I get all those purple coins. I'll replay it, level several times until I find that purple coin. And then there are some times where it's clear that there is like some sort of secret involved with levels some way, shape, or form. And I'll rack my head and be stuck on it for a really long time. Then I'll just wander a little bit elsewhere and I'll go into a toad house and realize that there was no actual secret with that level. It was just right next door where the secret engines was to the special world, which by the way, I have finished. And I'd be in all the levels are ready for that. It's pretty cool. I'm in the, I'm in Bowser's world. So I'm pretty much almost done. I have noticed though, well I have technically attempted to 100% each world as I've progressed. When you actually 100% of the world it tells you and the numbers blew. So there's a couple of worlds where I thought I did everything before I realized that they gave me some sort of notification and they're not complete yet. So I have to go back and find them and I have no idea where they are. You know the check marks, the little, or is that what you're talking about? Cause you know there's a little check mark in the world on the courses section. If you've done everything and then if you haven't then the check mark's not there. There's, it's like a very, it's a very transparent. There's a green check mark for every single course. Yeah, not every single course, but every, like whenever you're looking at the courses screen and the top right where it shows what world you're in right next to that will be a green check mark if you've done everything. And some of them are very small. Like you actually have to go back and like talk to the emperor or whoever twice, you know? And then that like that was like a missing point that I didn't do. There's a lot of little things like that. Yeah, like you wouldn't think you'd have to do anything but there's like a little bit of extra dialogue. Yeah, so there's a couple little things like that. I was wondering if we should read the super chats now or see them for the Q and A. Well, these two are kind of different than regular questions, so I'm gonna read them. All right, what order, I can put them up on screen. Yeah, why don't you read them, whatever order. Well, we could take turns. All right, you can read Nintendo Prime's chat. Okay, Nintendo Prime gave $2 to himself, not you to say thank you once again, Andres for hosting. Keeping it clean. Hey, that's better, man. Yeah, I feel better, bro. All right, we got one here. Brian C. just sending in the super chat love. You had nothing to say, just putting it in there. Nate appreciates it, excuse who. Sorry, you just threw me off when you said nothing to say, just putting it in there. Well, I mean, it's a super chat. What do you mean by that? Okay, I got it. I mean, there's no words. There's just a super chat. Just, there's just putting it in there. Okay, I'm moving on. You're not going by quick enough. All right, there you go. I thought we were taking turns, so you can read this. Here's the kingdom of the end. I don't know. Game of the year? Yeah, I guess maybe that's what it means, but we all know Baldur K3 is game of the year. Do we? Yeah. Do we? We're good, we'll get back to that. We'll get to it, yeah. Uh-oh, uh-oh, we got another Nintendo Prime Super Sticker. Well, it's a hot red Super Sticker there. You've made your presence known, buddy. All right. Okay, so we'll save this part for the Q and A, but Ventus712 says get well soon, Nintendo Prime, and then when we get to the Q and A section, we will talk about. Yeah, but don't drop in a big 50 for the get well soon. Yeah, for sure, epic. And then Boominie, wishing Nintendo Prime a speedy recovery and shout out to Andre. Oh, thank you. Oh, and Jake, and Sunbro, and West Nemo for supporting Nintendo Prime. Love this Nintendo community. Thank you, Boominie, we appreciate you. That's keeping it wholesome. Let's go. Yeah, Sunbro doesn't actually appreciate you though, so. Oh, that's keeping it wholesome and clean, and I appreciate you, Boominie. I really do. I was kidding. I called you Mike. Andre is trying to keep it dirty over there. Super. All right, so let's move on to a topic that should be discussed. Now, we're going to get into the game more stuff. I feel like that's going to definitely dominate podcast. This is my cat. She's being cute on my lap. Yeah, I'm your girl. Yeah, good girl. So we got a couple little topics first to discuss and then we'll get into the big one. So one of them is about Pioro. For those that are unfamiliar, Pioro is someone on Twitter who has built up a bit of a reputation of never being wrong when it comes to leaking Nintendo announcements. And what happens is Pioro will come on Twitter only when something is about to happen and then we'll put out some cryptic tweets about some announcers that will take place in a Nintendo presentation. So it was, I don't remember if it was like early in the morning or something, I think it was. And I saw a notification from Pioro, which I didn't expect to because usually when it comes out to talk about Nintendo Direct stuff. So when this happened, I freaked out. I was like, oh my gosh, is this the Nintendo Switch 2? Like my brain is like trying to think of like the most craziest thing. And I was like, wait, no, no, no, calm down. It's probably not, it's probably not the Nintendo Switch 2. And what he had said was, let me see if I can find it here. Yeah, he said, finally we will be able to roast some marshmallows on the Switch. And so for a little bit I was thinking, okay, that's, you know, like my brain wanted things Switch 2, but after like thinking about it logically, it's like, eh, maybe not. And I was like, I wonder if it was like maybe tied to like Malo from Super Mario RPG because that's coming out later. But as it turned out, roasting some marshmallows on the Switch was relating to Outer Wilds. Someone asked for a hint and he posted, he just said Nintendo Direct February 2021, which is when that game was announced and it hasn't come out until now. So shortly after that tweet, Nintendo put out the Indie World and in Indie World, Outer Wilds is there and it's coming. So that's pretty much it. That's what Puro did. It was interesting kind of seeing the Indie World. Was it funny that Outer Wilds was in the Indie World? All right, sorry, continue. No, that's actually a really interesting observation that you can consider. Yeah. Keeping it clean. That is keeping it clean. I didn't have much to say on the Indie World. There was a couple of cool games, including Outer Wilds, but I just kind of found it interesting how Puro on Twitter was kind of talking about how he kind of gets his information. People were asking about, you just clearly see YouTube videos. He kind of confirmed that he doesn't see the YouTube videos uploaded to Nintendo. I was gonna bring that up. Yeah, well, I mean, this is it. Yeah. Well, it was cool to see him disprove it by saying the, because I think that was the thought, is that like, oh, he can view their unlisted videos. And he probably, like you said, like somehow can, but not YouTube's backend, because he pointed out that he also leaked everybody one-two switch, which never got a YouTube trailer. And so whenever he said that that was gonna drop and it did, that was not tied to a YouTube announcement of any kind. So I feel like that proved what he was saying, that that's not how he gets his sources, but he, or his information. But he didn't confirm how he did either, which I don't know how he does, but he's the goat leaker for Nintendo. I tell people when we cover his leaks and videos now, like if you guys don't wanna be spoiled, click off because it's, this is gonna happen. You know, that's the kind of track record we have now. Until he trolls us and says switch two is happening, next week and then just deletes his account off the internet. That's the tricky part because he does mess with us a little bit. So there are some things he does where we're perhaps a lot of stray, like sometimes we like certain tweets, but for the most part, even when he likes tweets, it seems to be indicating something that is going to occur. So yeah, he knows his stuff. If I were to kind of guess how he gets his information, I'd feel like he just knows someone at Nintendo of America or is that someone at Nintendo of America and just is a part of the team or is in some way has connections to that team that's about to put out that media. And that's what it is. And maybe he does it, but obviously this is an alias and maybe through VPNs or what have you, he could just not be trying. I don't know, man. I don't think anyone that worked for Nintendo would risk them. Like they know about the ninjas more than anyone, like actually working with that company. I can't imagine a single person willing to put themselves out there like that. People do it. Yeah, but Nintendo's probably like, when that kind of thing happens, when they suspect that, I'm sure they have ways of rooting it out and like he's been so consistent for so long. So nothing about his sources like changed up. You know what I mean? Well, he's seeing the final presentation. So if it's the final presentation, then there's no room for leak bait, right? Like a lot of times companies will leak out certain things or fake things and they'll see where that's coming from because they only give that information to particular segments of the company. But this isn't that because he's seeing the entire presentation. So it's all legitimate information. It's not out of him. Ricardo, it's definitely not on purpose. I think Ricardo's implying like, what if Nintendo's intentionally having someone leak it? No, Nintendo's not happy about this PORO account. And I'm surprised that it's lasted as long as it has with the kind of leaks that have hit. But yeah, it's either somebody up high up at the company who like, you know, has his best buds with somebody who's like a director at Nintendo of America. Like who knows where it's coming from, but it does seem like he couldn't be a direct employee or they couldn't be a direct employee I couldn't imagine. But who knows? I think regardless of how you look at it, it's gotta be weird because even if it's like a friend or family member, that friend or family member has got to be nervous too, right? So either like, because this is very clear stuff. But what's interesting though is that this information comes out shortly before it's actually gonna be public. So it's not like PORO is telling us oh, one Metro Prime 4 is gonna come out, one Switch 2 is gonna come out. I bet PORO doesn't know. Yeah, I agree. It's not a presentation that's already been put together. Yeah, probably. Yeah, until it has been. And then when PORO is like, hey, Metroid fans, get ready, then that's when I'm gonna, my hype's gonna just explode and we freaking out. Yeah, I'm not sure there's really much else to say on this. Wes, do you have any opinions on this PORO? I personally didn't know who PORO was before this. I definitely just followed the account though. So yeah, I mean, it's interesting like Nintendo is always gonna deal with leaks. So I don't think there's really any way to solve it. But yeah, no, I mean, definitely gonna be keeping track of this person though. Yeah, they're never wrong, but they might mislead you a little bit with their jokes. So. Yeah, or they'll tweet out one thing like we saw prior to the last Nintendo Direct, we saw Donkey Kong rolling into action. And so it's everybody's like new Donkey Kong game that's happening. And then like the next day he says, but you'll never see who he's fighting. And then it shows Mario and Donkey Kong from the movie fighting each other, like that part of the gift. So he made everybody think it was a brand new Donkey Kong game and it's really Mario versus Donkey Kong, the GBA remake, which we found afterwards. Yeah, it's interesting. I remember that because we were a height for F-Zero GX remastering and a new Donkey Kong game. And we did get something from both, but it was less than what we were hoping for. Because of how he shared his information. He wasn't wrong, but there was room for interpretation and we interpreted it in the best way possible. It's kind of smart if you think about it, if he wants to gain an online following because he definitely got every Nintendo YouTuber talking about the potential for a Donkey Kong game. You know what I mean? Like if he wants to drum up a following, which it seems like maybe he doesn't. I feel like he has to at some point. I mean, look at how many followers he has now. When I first stumbled across the account, I don't remember, it was under, it was like in the early thousands or something, you know, like two, 3000, something like that. And he's already gotten to a point where just so many people know about him now because anybody who talks about the leaks have found out that every one of them has been accurate. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with him in the future. Yep. If we ever see the account just goes to not come back before our future Nintendo Direct, we know that Nintendo sent their ninjas and they found them. Finally got rid of them. It's funny, apparently IGN blocked him. Like he shared this tweet, it's like, oh, IGN blocked me. Oh wow, I didn't know that. I wonder why IGN would block them. That's kind of weird, yeah. Can we talk any shit about them? He doesn't really post anything. I mean, I don't see him posting anything other than calling out other leakers that are like the fake leakers. Maybe he likes a tweet that was dipping them shit or something. No, IGN got spoiled by him. Yeah, like the only drama I've seen him drum up online, which is honestly just almost comical to watch is like he goes after the Samus hunters and new Marco Mauro and tweets out like all the wrong information that they've had and he just says delete your account. I'm pretty sure Samus Hunter was forced into retirement like a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Samus Hunter's done. Maybe it's just something as simple as IGN just wants to distance themselves from them because IGN wants to have good relationship with a Nintendo. And actually, it wasn't IGN, but there may have done things in the past that might upset Nintendo. So maybe they just wanna make sure that that does not happen at all. You know, I'm kind of thinking now, I think it was Polygon. I remember they were kind of like speaking ill of Nintendo and it's because they've broken embargo before for clicks or what have you. And so I guess maybe there's a little bit of a concern with these different publications of trying to maintain a good relationship with them. So maybe the IGN social media team was like, nope, block, block. Yeah, we're definitely anti-Leaks Nintendo. So it could be something as simple as that. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me, but that's like the best theory I've heard, I guess. I really don't understand it. Either that or Pior used to work for IGN and that's how he has it all. Or he does work for IGN and he's like, oh crap, Nintendo's gonna find out I work. Guys, block me. Can't possibly, that can't possibly can't be the connection now. Yeah, that's gotta be it. But I mean, just to kind of talk a little bit more about it, even though I know we're joking, I don't see how IGN would be his source because I doubt IGN would have his kind of information. No, no, I didn't think IGN would have the source, but I was saying maybe he did work there and that's how he got his Nintendo connection. Maybe. That he's doing a Nintendo connection. All of that is tinfoil hat stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But anyway, that's enough of on Pior for now until he leaks Metroid Prime 4 or Arcane Time Remake or whatever else suits my fancy. Let's talk about another little topic and then we'll get into the big one. And that's related to, I had two topics up at once, that's interesting. Anyway, so I titled it a new Smash and Mark Art Studio, but with a question mark because it feels like the reporting on this may have been a little off. I'm not totally sure, but basically, we got this studio from Bandai Namco called Studio Two and Studio S and they are responsible for working on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and co-developing arms and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and other things like Mario Kart Tour and Smash for Wii U 3DS. They've worked on a lot of basically a lot of Mario Kart, Mario Sports and Smash and they've been doing it for years. Basically, this is a studio that has been working on this stuff ever since and they've only recently named the studio. But there were a lot of reports like articles and videos coming out saying new studio has been announced. And I saw this and I made a video talking about how this is apparently a new studio even though it seems to be based off the development team that was working on this stuff beforehand anyways. So it's a little confusing, but when you actually go to the site and you read at least as Google translated version, this is what it says here, Bandai Namco Studio, second studio S studio has been a studio specializing a studio specializing in commissioned development products within the company, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Mario Kart Deluxe Mario Kart Tour. We have cooperated in the development of many world standards titles such as, and that's where I think the translation starts to get a little off. But the interesting part here is where it says has been a studio specializing in commissioned development projects such as Smash Mario Kart and Tours. So the studio's already existed. They're just kind of naming it now and branding it. So it's kind of curious that a lot of articles have touted this as a new studio. Maybe they're just kind of focusing their efforts a little bit more. Maybe there are different pieces and they've all been focused, they've all been put into one place, but that's not confirmed. But it's interesting though that they have this studio and we know what they're gonna be working on next. Well, we can get, well, we don't know, but we have some ideas. What do you guys make of this? I mean, yeah, I think you're probably right. People reporting on it are just calling it a new studio because it's like a sexier headline, but it's kind of just seems like a more, like a restructuring slash organization of existing studios. They're just making it more cohesive. It sounds like, but it is, it's definitely interesting. I think it's cool that they're getting it all together and I'm ready for the next thing from them for sure. So I have a quick question on this because like, so VGC is the article I went off of. And they show like a new, like, and everybody kind of ran with this. I don't know if they ran with it after VGC, but they show like a new logo, like Studio 2 and Studio S from Bandai Namco. It looks pretty modern. It mentions 152 employees, 32% of which are new graduates, around 40% of the team are artists with the rest made up of designers and programmers. And then it goes in to talk about job listings right after almost like this is a push. So I guess it's possible it's not a push and this is just getting a name for a studio, but it seems like, the way they word it in the articles, it seems like since the Wii U and 3DS era, they have not designated a team for collaborating on Nintendo led projects. And this is Bandai Namco doing that again. I mean, that's the verbiage that's in the VGC article. So I take that to mean is just we have enough projects lined up for the foreseeable future with Nintendo and our partnership has gone really well with them so far and it's gonna continue to go well with them on big titles that we've worked on. Look at how successful Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is, look at how successful Smash Bros. Ultimate is and we're gonna do this again next gen plus maybe even more titles. So let's brand these teams and let them work on that exact stuff and let's also hire some new positions. That's my understanding of it, but I don't know if any of that's been misreported or not, you know. I think that's what we were saying basically. Yeah, no, I think you're on the right track some, bro. I think perhaps, because I think this is still newsworthy to your point. I think it does tell us that they continue to have plans to work with Nintendo moving forward and this, if anything, just kind of shows that more obviously and they are trying to grow and expand it. So it may be the case that there may be a little bit of retooling going on here and they're trying to make more of a considered effort moving forward, but it is still comprised of the team members that have worked on these prior projects with Nintendo. That makes sense. What do you guys think the 3D action game that they're hiring for that's unannounced is? It might be Smash. Might be Smash, might be Kid Icarus Uprising. That's right, we do have those floating rumors. The 3D action game wouldn't be Smash, but. Yeah, I was thinking. Yeah, no, but Kid Icarus would be. I'm Team Star Fox Adventures too, but I don't think it's going to happen. Oh, man. This is, we're still talking about the remaster, right? Or the remake listing? No, well, there is another, because I saw another listing. Is it specifically safe for a remake? I thought it was, some listings are for a 3D action game project commissioned by Nintendo. I didn't know that it was specifically a remake. There was a job listing a while back before this website popped up. The Bandai Namco was hiring for a 3D action remaster make. That's right. I do kind of remember that. Yeah, so that's why people have been talking about we're getting Kid Icarus Uprising or we're getting a Star Fox Assault or something like that. So I wonder, is this the same project or is it something entirely different? Good point. I mean, it fits the bill. I mean, you can hire for a 3D action game and just say that, and it could still be a 3D action game that just so happens to be a remake slash remaster. So, hard to say. But, Jesus, Rickabar, yeah. What? The hitting message is not keeping it clean. Oh, I gotta see the hidden message. Where is the hidden message? Did you delete it? No, it's Riku X Ibar. Yeah, I don't see it. Oh, because you're not a mod. Are you not a mod? Well, I guess I'm seeing it from a- Oh, someone showed it. Hold on. Hold on. I didn't show it. I don't see it. Anyway. It's in the chat now. It's not hidden, it's just Riku X Ibar. Yeah, it's in the chat. I don't see it. It's five messages above the Nintendo Prime's message. It's from a member. No. Are you? Okay. Oh, wait. Oh, my God. Meow, meow. That is, that is, that is a very- Oh, Nate, Nate should have- Yo, he didn't deny it. He didn't deny it. I mean, it's a, my cat. Anyway, it's not worth denying. It's not needed. So weird. Anyway, let's get into the main topic. So weird how you don't deny it. But yeah, go ahead. My cat, my physical cat was on my lap. Dude, that's- Whatever you wish to call it. That's actually true statement. Oh, my God. All right. All right, let's get into it. All right, so- Into what? The Game Awards nominations have been made public. We know what they are. And apparently Nintendo has more nominations than any other company this year. 15, PlayStation with 13, Xbox, which also includes Bethesda and Blizzard, it has 10, Epic Games is nine, Capcom, Blurry and Square Unix all have eight, EA six. What individual game has the most nominations of any individual game? Oh, well, I think you know the answer to that. I actually don't know the answer either. Yeah, I don't either, but- I wouldn't surprise me if it were Tears of the Kingdom, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Baldur's Gate. Baldur's Gate's winning, so that's all I really... That's a big takeaway. No one's like, oh, my God, what one best artistic direction 2017? What was that banger? Like no one ever says that. No. People are gonna remember Game of the Year and maybe like best action adventure game or best RPG type of thing. Exactly. Metro Dread, best action adventure 2021. That's right. Hashtag never forget. Never forget. Well, let's dive into it. So the best games or the six games were not made for Game of the Year. It's Resident Evil 4, Alan Wake 2, Baldur's Gate 3, Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario Bros. Wonder. Oh, I wanna get five. There's a sixth one. I was trying to do it off the top of my head. Alan Wake 2? Who am I missing? Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2, Resident Evil 4. Spider-Man 2, that's the one I'm missing. Spider-Man 2. You would forget Spider-Man. I just want to give you the opportunity to- I'm not keeping it clean anymore. That's just disgusting. I wanted to give you the chance. How could you? Man, I just like the movies. I don't like the games. I'm sorry. Oh, dude. So bad. Yeah. But anyway, I mean, of those six guys, which one do you think is going to win? We think is going to win or which one do we want to win? That's, you know what? How about both? OK. Well, my favorite game. I actually have three different answers because my favorite game on the list so far is Tears of the Kingdom. The game that I want to win and the game that will win are both Baldur's Gate 3 because it's the best game. It was the most well-made game. That game deserves to win. Why is it the most well-made game? Better than any of the other games against it. Other are going against it. But you say you liked Tears of the Kingdom more. I said that's my favorite game on the list. OK. But you're also saying Baldur's Gate 3 is a better made game. Why do you think that? I'm curious. Why do you think Baldur's Gate 3 is a better made game than Tears of the Kingdom? Because it's like it's literally, it took a genre that was popular in the 90s. It revitalized it and made it more captivating than it's ever been. For something that's existed for so long to come up with the best example that we've ever seen and have an amazing story, exploration, everything that Tears of the Kingdom does, Baldur's Gate 3 does it, but it's even beefier experience. They're very different and that Tears of the Kingdom is more innovative. Like it reinvented the Zelda formula. But it's not so innovative anymore because that's what Breath of the Wild was. So this is just more of that. And well, that's still very good. And in most years, would be very discerning with the game of the year. I think this year was pretty stacked. And I think Baldur's Gate 3 runs away with it. And I think anyone that says it shouldn't, didn't play it or just has like a heavy bias one way. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I don't mean that. Like I was like, oh, you're just like stupid, you know, Nintendo bias. I don't mean it like that. Like sometimes we create content of, you know, what if we create content? I thought that was your arm that freaked me out. Man, the tail. Oh, it's my cat. It's some, yeah. Sorry, I was like, oh my God, he's an octopus. All right. I have tentacle arms. But no, seriously, you know, like, especially like a YouTuber that makes Nintendo content, you can get like so focused on all that stuff. Cause there's like Zelda stuff to talk about every day almost. And if you're not playing the other games, it's easy for one to go into the radar. And so I haven't even like played Baldur's Gate 3, but I just on all the games, I stay very educated on what the public is saying and why they're saying it. So I watch like a lot of in-depth like reviews, videos. What's that word? I don't know, like analysis. And I think it's pretty clear cut that if you, if you do that research, that Baldur's Gate 3 is just going to win. And I, as someone who initially wanted Tears of the Kingdom to win, after seeing everything this game has done and how it's affected so many different players and how much people love it, I want it to win. And that's how I felt about Elder Ring last year too. That wasn't a game for me. God of War Ragnarok was one of my favorite games I've ever played ever. But like it totally made sense to me why Elder Ring should won. And I was really happy for players of that game cause that is very similar to Baldur's Gate 3 and where it's like, it's really niche. And those players don't get a lot of stuff to be excited about. So if there's a game that deserves it, then I'm all for it. That's just my opinion though, obviously. Okay. Wes, what were you going to say? Okay, well, so for me, like my favorite game of the year, I thought was Tears of the Kingdom. I think that they took everything the Breath of the Wild did and did it better. We got a classic Zelda story, you know, it's just an incredible game. Like the technical achievements of what Nintendo did with a seven-year-old tablet that's worse than, like 10 times worse than my phone is crazy. Like what they were able to do was insane. But I do agree. I think Baldur's Gate 3 is going to win. Because like you said, it does take the classic CRPG formula, puts another coat of paint and adds infinite possibilities. And when a game has infinite possibilities, something like seemingly infinite possibilities for outcomes, it's insane. I think Larian deserves credit. And I do agree, I'm kind of torn because like last year, I hadn't played Elden Ring yet, but I just experienced God of War Ragnarok and I'm like, how are they not going to make that game of the year? But then I played Elden Ring and I'm like, holy shit, you know, this is a good game. So yeah, I think BG3 probably takes it. I also want Alan Wake 2 to sweep awards because I think people are sleeping on that game. The 10 hours that I have on it is remarkable. You got to be close to beating it then. Oh yeah, I'm so close, yeah. So yeah, that's another one I haven't played, but let me ask you, like I heard like just like the first like 30 minutes of that game, just blows your mind. Especially if you played Alan Wake 1, like it's a culmination of like there's a song on it, which I really hope they win best score. Wide awake, just listen to that song and you'll be like, holy crap, they literally took everything that we've been waiting for for 10 years and put it in a song. So I know Alan Wake 2 is probably not gonna win game of the year, but it's gonna be, it's gonna have awards. It makes a huge statement just to be nominated for a game like that though. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I mean, Remedy is like also a small team. I think Larry knows a small team. They definitely deserve the credit that they're getting and they, like I said, I think they're gonna sweep the game awards. I think that, you know, it's gonna be an Alan Ring, Ragnarok type situation again, where like my heart says that I want tears of the kingdom to win, but in reality, Baldur's Gate 3 is probably the game that will take it. Does it? I agree, and I also think that last year, so many people that never tried a Souls game tried to buy Elden Ring. Me, yeah. And I've already seen a really similar thing happen with Baldur's Gate 3. And I think that is a really good thing because every time there's like a Nintendo Direct or anything, or like for example, we had the Indie Direct, right? Indie Showcase. What is the chat doing the whole time? Oh, Silk Song, Silk Song, Silk Song. No one cares about anything else other than the thing there's zeroed in on. You know, when there's a new Zelda game like coming out during Nintendo Direct, everyone's like show us another trailer, you know? So I like to see these other games that are so good and deserving of your time get some credit and like get more people to try them out because there's more than just one thing out there, you know what I mean? Sure. I kind of feel like Best Action Adventure is like the consolation prize. Kind of, yeah. And it's usually a game of the year games fall under the category of Best Action Adventure. Yeah. So I could see Zelda winning that. Well, I mean, if you look at the lineup for Best Action Adventure, it's Alan Lake II, Marvel's Spider-Man II, Resident Evil 4, Star Wars, Jedi Survivor, and the Legend of Zelda II is the kingdom. Like it's almost the same lineup. Yeah, it'll win that award for sure. Yeah. I kind of feel bad for Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Like it doesn't stand a chance against all the time. Oh, yeah, no. Yeah. I heard that game, I mean, 2023. Awesome. I mean, it's a good game. It's a really good game. It's just really good. Jedi Survivor is awesome. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. It's just so bad this year. It launched a little bit broken, but they fixed it. And I've been waiting to go back through since they did the patch, but it's solid. I'm glad you brought up coming out broken because that reminds me of something that's kind of going on at this Game Awards that I feel needs to be addressed. Uh-oh. So there's this little game called Cyberpunk that came out of a broken, cheaping mess and has a DLC that's been nominated. An expansion. Yeah, that game came out in 2021, right? 2020. Well, it's 2020, I think. It was like right around the launch of the new consoles. I remember that. Yep. It was after the launch of the new consoles. I know that for sure, but it only came out. December 10th, 2020. Yeah, it was last gen when it came out. It was, no, because it came out in December. We got the new consoles in November. Right, that's what I'm saying. But it only came out like last gen versions. At first, yeah, there was no PS5 or, yeah. Right. So I'm curious, right? I, it's an expansion that they're getting, but isn't that basically DLC or how? No, no. So expansions can be nominated for Game Awards because of, they're an expansion. They're not like just some small DLC. It's adding a completely new narrative, completely like separate experience that you could play solo. Like a couple other examples. So like an expansion, the Witcher 3 Blood and Wine, that's an expansion that added a completely new area with 30 hours of content. In my opinion, I think Blood and Wine is probably the best game of the year for that year, whenever it released. I think it was like 2016. Okay, okay, wait, so I see the distinction. So like it will be considered a DLC if it was more content that took place in the same like map. Correct, yeah. So this is a new area, completely new narrative. So the current Pokemon, Scarlet and Violet and Sword and Shield, those DLCs would be considered expansions. They're entire new areas, entire new narratives. Right. With entire new cast of characters? Yeah. Aim of the Year worthy, baby, let's go. Well, I mean, that's why I kind of brought it up though because I'm not much of a Sarah Punk guy but I am definitely a Xenoblade guy and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Future Redeemed by your definition would be considered an expansion because it's a separate story, separate world, separate characters, enemies, mechanics. It's a 30 to 40, you know, it's bigger than a lot of full priced games. And it has seen no mention in the game words. According to Metacritic, well, granted it not a lot of critics reviewed it, it is rated higher than most games that came out this year. So most of your like games that get reviewed and your expansions get reviewed, like if it's something that can be reviewed, then that's technically what is eligible for nomination. If I remember right. It was reviewed just not by as many people as Sarah Punk's expansion. I have something to add on that note because not in relation to the DLC, but I have a little bit of a different perspective than you guys on the game of the year, Baldur's Gate 3 versus two years ago. Oh yeah, you never really got your chance to go. Yeah, let's go. Oh yeah, I want to hear. So, but it ties into what you just said because I actually do agree that from everything I've learned online about how Baldur's Gate 3 revolutionized the style of gameplay that it very well may be the one that deserves to win game of the year. And I honestly, my personal stance on it is it's a coin flip between those two. I'll be shocked if it's not Tears of the Kingdom or Baldur's Gate 3, but I'm expecting it to be one of those two. But I think that the type of media outlets that are comprised of the 120 that are voting on this thing at the game awards, like Zelda games will more vastly appeal to that crowd than the Baldur's Gate 3 game. Now, maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe they're really with 120 different media outlets. Maybe there is enough of a understanding that this just revolutionized that style of gameplay. Something that related to that, some bro, that like I just, I've been thinking about a lot. I'm glad you said this because it reminded me to ask this, but whoever gets votes at the table for the game awards, has every single one of them played every single game? Exactly. I don't know. It can't be. If they have it, that's not really fair. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't think they have to be honest. No, I don't think 99% of people should be playing every single game that gets nominated. I think it's so it's outlets. But I do think 120 people that are voting on them need to do it. Like that's your job. That's a good point. But what Wes just said, it's 120 outlets, not people. Yes. So like there's individual reviewers on each outlet. They are all assigned to specific games. So is it really more than 120 votes? Is it like, so like, let's just say, for example, let's say IGN gets a vote in the game awards. So is it one guy that's going to decide for IGN or do they have everyone on staff vote? And then I'm sure that's how it works. So yeah, I'm sure everyone on staff, even the people that only play Nintendo games are voting with all the non Nintendo games. Like they'll have people on staff voting for this that didn't play some of the games they're voting against. You know what I mean? Like there's no. I mean, at the end of the day, like at the end of the day, it's the game where like it is a show, like it's Jeff's show. Like he's going to put he's going to put on the best show possible. And if I'm being realistic, it doesn't really matter who wins. Exactly. If I'm being realistic, like I can care less about who wins game of the year and who wins, like, you know, the other awards. I'm I'm always I'm always been more of like, what's going to get revealed at this show? Because you know, Jeff is going to put on a show. You know, we're probably going to get to know the man stuff that it was revealed by kind of funny games, that it's a small panel of people per outlet, three to five people per outlet. Oh, yeah. So I still doubt even, you know, if there's five people that all five of them played all six games, even just your game of the year, you know, not just show. So, you know, he's going to make he's going to make good content and regardless, or he's going to try to make good content. Oh, Jeff. Yeah. But imagine your work for an outlet and you have one person play Baldur Gate three and four people. You don't even have play it because it's too big of a game. I mean, I guess there's also fan voting as well because of that. You know, there's also fan voting. So they weigh out of God's 10. All this game is 10 percent unless they change it. I think fan voting is 10 percent of the score. Yeah. Basically, it's like a tiebreaker. I am I wrong that Baldur Gate three already won the fan voting? We don't know if they've revealed anything for I think they revealed fifty one to forty nine percent. And so I remember reading it's getting the 10 percent boost because of that. It's possible. I haven't looked. I have zero clue if they've released fan voting. But also does it work that way where it just gets a whole 10 percent if it wins or does it get the, you know, fifty one percent of 10 percent? Literally, the article I saw, Andres, that's what everyone was commenting, like exactly what you just said. And no one got a third answer. Yeah. Well, all right. Nate says fan voting is not done. And so it is. It's in fortnight. What's that? The fan voting is for it's like in fortnight as well, apparently. I just saw on this article. Yeah. Yeah. Game awards vote in fortnight. So get your votes in, guys. Yeah. When I when I was talking about this in my video with the nominations and everything, it's like at the end of the day, and this kind of says what you like goes along with what you were saying, Jake, is like, it should nobody should be feeling like they should enjoy a game more or less because it won awards or it didn't. And this is far from a perfect show. So if if you're if you're a game of the years, tears of the kingdom, great. If you're a game of the years, boulders get three great. But I don't I just personally think that the more mainstream outlets that will likely be a parting a part of this voting panel will be more biased towards Zelda. And I don't necessarily say I could try to make the argument that Zelda tears of the kingdom deserves it either way. From a development perspective, because if you talk about this is what blew me away, even though you can call it Breath of the Wild to and it is. There are things done through that way. Well, yeah, but it's it. There's no denying it takes place in the same Hyrule and it's largely the same progression and how Link levels. I mean, the shrines being back, the Korok seeds being back, like there's enough core stuff they just kind of copy pasted from the first game. But what's different and very innovative about it is like they took the endless possibilities of like a Minecraft game and somehow put that in a 3D open world action adventure Zelda game. And then they created puzzles where there's not necessarily a right way to solve that like there is a right way to solve them, but it's up to the player. And that kind of like pulling that off and like West, what you said earlier on a seven year old tablet that's not that impressive is pretty dang impressive. I hold that thought. I just want to clarify something real quick. I'm not sure how much you know about Baldur's Gate 3 because it does all of that more like there's I believe it's never been a game that gives you as much choice as that game. And that's yeah, that's part of it. You know, just hold the thought for a sec, because I want to clarify something that did a little bit of a fact check. So if you just go to the Game Ward's website, they describe their word process. And yes, the voting jury takes up 90 percent of the vote and there's a public fan vote that takes up 10 percent. The fan voting closes on December 6th, 6 p.m. Pacific Time. So fan voting is not done yet. And then does it say the other thing we were wondering like does the winner get the full 10 percent boost, no matter how close the margin is? All right. So this is what it says. I'll just read it. Winners are determined by a blended vote between the voting jury, 90 percent of a public fan voting, 10 percent fans can vote for their favorite games on the Game Ward's blah, blah, blah. And that just kind of explains that. But there's another part here that says, why don't fans 100 percent like the winners? Creating a 100 percent fan vote represents several challenges. First, given that some games are exclusive to one platform, a public vote puts a single platform games at an inherent disadvantage over multi platform titles. In addition, it is important that winners cannot be socially engineered in any way. We find a blended vote is the most credible and authentic way to select winners. There's nothing there that really tells exactly. But I'm going to guess this is just my guess. I don't know that it's not like, OK, whatever the fan vote is, they just put 10 percent on there. I think it would just kind of work. The total fan votes that counts for the temp, like, you know, let's say if tears of the king of wins 7 percent of the fan vote, then that's 7 percent. But there's still 93 percent unaccounted for for that particular category. That's how I think it would be done. I don't know that I was like, I think they might just give it a full 10 percent buff over wins, but I don't I don't know. I'd love to get more clarification on that. Yeah. All right, all right, guys. Everyone, everyone's had Jeff Keely get him on the podcast next week. There we go. It explains the voting process to a key to a T. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, and these are people's opinions, right? And we're going to say that's that's what I'm saying. And like, we keep talking about how not perfect it is, like how far from perfect it is. And that's the thing. Like when I say, I think Baldergate three is going to win. I don't want it to win. I don't want like I don't want to be like, haha, Andreas, you're wrong, except for Nate. I just want him to be wrong. But like, you know, I mean, I'm just saying, like, it's my opinion based on how I think the little, you know, all the little details of this process with the people that are chosen to vote, how I think it's going to work out based on what's happened. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if Baldergate three wins in your favorite game with tears of the kingdom. You you got something way better than Game of the Year title. You got that game and that you're going to, you know what I mean? We have tears of the kingdom now. We're going to have it forever. And that's way better than like stupid console war is bragging rights. You know what I mean? Like if tears of the kingdom does win, it'll be like that feels nice to have your favorite game, like getting accolade like that. But if it doesn't, we all know how good it is, like, and we can just say screw IGN. Hopefully they'll block us, you know? I think like like it's from a broader perspective that the show is net positive as a whole outside of the people who really get hung up on if their game didn't win an award. Because what I like to see is like all of the year over year growth it has. I mean, it just means that gaming is becoming more mainstream and there's more eyeballs on it than ever. So it's kind of a fun event just to have for the sake of the gaming community coming together. It's just that people have to realize that these are really honest mean you can't enjoy your favorite game, you know? No one might even care who even wins the whole thing if they show a GTA six trailer. Oh, you know what I mean? That's that's the fact. I think Jeff got the trailer. Oh, I don't know. But with the timing of Rockstar saying they're about to go drop it and then it's game awards next month. Who knows? I think they drop on the morning drop something on their own. They might do a second trailer for the game. One year. Yeah. That's a good point. I didn't think about that, but that's probably far more likely. And they just drop a nine a.m. trailer and then no one talks about the game awards for the entire day because it's all GTA sick. Honestly, Rockstar should just like wait a day or like do it before. No, you know, they should do it like at the very beginning of the month, like the the Monday, because that's like on on Thursday. So let's say like Monday on December 3rd or whatever that is, they drop the trailer and then on the game awards, they do like a follow up like a part. I don't think they would give us game play. Maybe I don't know how much they're going to show us. But, you know, game awards get something else exclusive that's like the second look at GTA Sam Hauser. Bring him over here. Let him say, hey, guys, we're making GTA six. And I think we're all be happy. We ready? We're going to just talk about, like, what we would like to see for announcements or are we are we done? Oh, I'm down. Let's get it. OK, I'll just say this. I'll put my two cents in terms of all the nomination stuff. It's fine. You know, I I don't think it's over for Choose the Kingdom, but I do understand that Bowdersgate three has a lot of momentum right now. So we'll see what actually happens. Oh, wait, sorry, Andres, before you get rolling into that, Nate said that the tweet is up to get to Pester Jeff Keeling to come on the show next week. So everybody, I'm assuming what Nintendo Prime tweeted that. So everyone, everyone do that on Twitter while you're listening. But go ahead, Andres. Yeah, by the way, I saw some people asking. Nate is hasn't been feeling well. So he asked me to host a show in his in his place this week. He's going to get better. Just like a wife. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Anyway, just putting on these little two cents, I just want to say that I think that there there should be a remastered category, because I really I really don't like the fact that primary master has shown has no representation here at all. I'm not saying it deserves one game of the year. It is a remaster. But when you have expansions, when you have a category that's just for VR games and most of the VR games are just games that came out a couple of years ago, a gadget for VR. How is it any different from a remaster? It's just like kind of porting it for a different format. So I just I think that they should probably come with a category. I know we touched on this before. And yes, Future Dream totally got it. Not even definitely an expansion. It's better than the other point because not even are those VR games recycled, but let's face it, like. The number of sales for remaster remakes, trumps all VR games combined. You know what I mean? So like why have such a niche category? Yeah, you're not going to if you're going to totally ignore this other one. And I think maybe the argument to be made is that they shouldn't be adding more categories because the show is already long enough. And maybe maybe that's right. Maybe they shouldn't add any more categories. But I agree that a remaster remake category is more important than some of the other categories we do have. I'd say you could take out VR. No one really cares. And remaster remake would be huge. And there's probably other ones you can remove. I'm not a fan of best content creator. What about best community support? Like Bungie getting nominated for best community support. What are your thoughts on that one? Do you guys see that meme? You know, layoffs. Yeah, yeah, I mean, they're not going to win. But if they did, that would be the funny. What did Bungie have to do to Jeff to get nominated for that award? Absolutely. Well, yeah, it does. Think about it like the actual staff like doing the daily work for Bungie, I think it's fair to them. But yeah, it's a credit to them to be like what you fucked up. So like, you know, yeah, and they just fired their lead community manager as well with the layoff. That's the other thing is like. I mean, I guess it's more like the reason the destiny to is there. It's just because it's about the game and not the company. Oh, Nate says DLC category. Yeah, cool. Yeah, there's quite a there's quite a few categories. I think you could make an argument that I'm clicking through them here. I'm trying to see like which ones could you really remove and content creator of the year is the first one that I would trash. I could see maybe fusing best ongoing with DLC. When you got team best eSports team and coach like one of the ones. Just the best eSports game, which makes sense. But then you have best eSports athlete and then best eSports team. I mean, I guess. But see, we got to remember this is an industry show and the kind of money that's in eSports. I think maybe plays here. Here's something that is I find interesting. So I'm looking through the categories. They have best independent game, but then they also have best debut indie game. And I guess I kind of understand it because they just wanted to highlight more, more indie games. But I mean, so what does that mean? The industry is so big now, we could use an indie game of the year show. That's all indies because you have separate categories for all of them. And that way would highlight a lot more. Nobody is going to tune in, though. Their viewership will drop off a clip. Right. Well, I actually saw the Nintendo. If they make a show case, it could be a better launch in the actual game of the year. Yeah, I don't disagree. I just they're not going to get any of those mainstream eyeballs on it. Sure. What's the reveal and suck song like they ain't getting no views. I don't think they went for the first one, but they kept it like a clean like 30, 40 minutes. And everyone loved it. They would get a whole lot more eyeballs the next year. I think it could grow pretty fast. But I don't know. Do we really need best mobile game? Who cares about that at the Game Awards? Mobile makes a lot more money than console. I mean, does. But yeah, I mean, it's harder about this category. That check is a lot of money from the mobile developers to have. Are you saying you didn't vote for Hello Kitty Island Adventure? I would vote for anything. I intentionally. What do you mean? Come on, bro. I mean, we should have Andre pull up his screen and vote right now on the stream. You want me to? I could. I don't know. Chat, what do you think? Hold on. Seems like a way to make a poll. Only I only make a poll. Yeah, I'm not I'm not logged in on his YouTube channel. I don't think we should. I don't think I don't think it matters. Nate, can you make a poll and then we'll we'll sit on your poll? So we got enough votes. I mean, if you really want me to do what I can. I think you could argue that mobile is a different. Crowd. Well, the other thing about it right now, Andre, is then everyone could see how many categories the game of the year has. You know what I mean? But I don't know. Maybe people are 31 categories. All right, there we go. That's keeping it clean. I logged into one of my Google accounts. I can vote if you want. All right, what's your game of the year? All right, let's run those in two minutes. All right, let me just get all the more categories. Just do like the first two rows. Keep mine. I'm Nintendo bias. I haven't had time to play any of the games. It's not no material. Do you want to share your screen if it's only going to be two minutes? That way, you don't have to read every option. Good point. All right, so game of the year, small on the side game of the year. I haven't played Alan Lake, too. I haven't played Bowder's Gate, three Spider-Man, wrestling before played Mario Wonder and tears of the King. I will play wrestling before. I've been thinking about playing Bowder's Gate, three, but it's such a huge time investment. Oh, I have a question. Does it let you abstain from a vote if you don't want to vote on the camera? You can just skip it. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, you should. Anyways, the year because you didn't even play them. I mean, did you play that I vote? Did you? No. All right, that's because you just told me I'm doing this because you told me to. With that logic, we couldn't. We couldn't have any players at all for Zelda. I bet you the amount of players that have played all six games that you couldn't have an audience vote at all. All right, so best game direction. Actually, I'm going to pick Mario Wonder and there's a reason for that. If you read the interviews, the thought process behind the game, the extra development time, a lot of the 3D Mario influence, how they were kind of they created up came with thousands of ideas. Like I just love like you should. You should definitely check out the interviews for Mario Bros. Wonder. Wait, what did you vote that one for? Mario Wonder for best game direction. I think they did a really good job with that. I think I got a better. I think they had a better direction than they did for Tears of the Kingdom. Nate, do you want to post the link in the chat for other people that are watching to vote for Game of the Year? Best narrative, I think. I think I don't know because I haven't played any of these games. But from everything I've heard, Ballersgate 3C is probably deserving of that because of all that story options could maybe argue Alan Wake, too. Yeah, I mean, Ballersgate's got like 80,000 narratives. It's like I'm 20 hours in and I still don't know what's going on. For best art direction, I'm going to give it to Hi-Fi Rush because Xbox needs something. That's how she did it. Let's go. Game works, baby. Yeah, I think that's that game. Liza P is pretty beautiful, though. I did think about that one. Yeah, but, you know, it's like another. It's a Dark Souls clone, so. Yeah, fair enough. More Bloodborne, more Bloodborne. Yeah, all souls born to that no one ever got. But it's lower than Bloodborne. So I want to play it. Best score in music. I consider I want to play Tears of the Kingdom and it's amazing Tears of the Kingdom. I'm thinking Alan Wake, too, or Hi-Fi on that one. I love Tears of the Kingdom. But is Mario Wonder nominated for that one? Because I love the way that incorporates it's not music in the actual game. Best audio design. I agree. I can't vote for this one, but I'm picking Resident Evil 4. I wouldn't go with Alan Wake, too, but there's a glitch. The audio was like completely bugged at launch. I'm like, yeah, no, Hi-Fi rush. Best performance and we don't have Gandorf abstaining. Well, Idris Elba, easy. Whoa, dude, Final Fantasy 16. You had Clyde Hansen absolutely crush it. I didn't play it. I'm from there. Abstained innovation and accessibility. I'm abstain. Good answer. Games for Infect. I haven't played any of these, but I'm sure they're amazing. Abstain. Best ongoing. Well, Fortnite just broke. Give it to Final Fantasy or. Yeah, you're right. I go with Final Fantasy. Yeah, Final Fantasy 14 is kind of insane at this point. Best community support. Cyberpunk 2.0 update completely. Yeah, yeah, I mean, they made the game. They made the game good. We already gave it to Hello Games, like was it two years ago last year? Yeah. Hello Games has been crushing up. Yeah. All right, I think I'm done. Well, why did it put me back a whole bunch of spots? You're not going to vote on your favorite eSports team, Andres. What the heck, man? Well, no, because. Family game. Come on, now. With the Super Mario Brothers Wonder. We are now. Wonder is getting that one. If, like, under each, like, category, there was like. CS Stars are best and dependent game. A box to check. Like, do you even know any of these? CS Stars is almost good enough to be up for game of the year. So. Yeah, I think I'm done voting and wasting time. Yeah, Nate said this in chat earlier, but I think that it's accurate with, like, that you can make a case that since the eSports crowd is kind of different than mainstream games. Also, like, maybe you could argue the same thing you were saying for independent games, which, you know, who knows what the viewership looks like. But still, maybe they could have their own night, you know, or their own. E-sports awards. Are the eSports awards or a thing? Yeah. I learned something new tonight. Yeah, it's like a big event, too. We don't want your kind. It's like sports by Alexis. Round these parts. Sorry, it's not keeping it clean. I already exited the website. It was glitching out on me. So, I will say, I did notice that Advanced Wars went to reboot camp, got put on for best strategy, which is a remake compilation. And, you know, what's funny about that, I guess that can be defined as, you know, actually, this is not a talking point. It's coming back to... Wait, what's Fire Emblem and what's it called? It's in there. Is that one there? Okay. Yeah. But I just find it interesting that Advanced Wars can be in the nominations. And I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be. Dude, that whole release to this day is so bizarre. It's like the most, like, swept under the rug. Nintendo's like, we don't want to acknowledge this. Like, releasing the whole switch, I feel like. It was such a quality remake. It's about to release and then remakes. Shit happens. And then when they put it out... Yeah, they're like, yeah, we don't really care of it ourselves. We're just doing this. That's what? Because they came out, like, less than a week later with Future Redeemed. So anyone who played it was like, oh, well, now, that happened to me. And then once I had to focus on Future Redeemed, and I finished Future Redeemed, I had, like, an hour after Tears of the Cure. But remember, they delayed it for, like, over a year just because of the Ukraine thing. Yeah. Yeah, it was so... And, like, everyone was, like, no one associates. They're like, what the hell? I don't know if they're going to release sales date on it, but if they ever do, I would be willing to bet it's at the bottom of Nintendo. It's definitely under a million. Yeah. That's for sure. Which probably means that once you switch, it came out, oh, everybody wants to switch. You're right, you're right. I probably had the worst lead-up. We didn't get a trailer for that. Nintendo was kind of proud of that one. Like, they actually tweeted that one. We were like, oh, look at this. Like, oh, there's the horse guy. They had those creators come out and do some kind of event, but they didn't drop a trailer for it. They weren't gaming creators just for the record. They were, like, other types of creators. Like, yeah. Well, some of them were gaming creators. Like, porn house creators. No, like, girls that put on makeup and curtain stuff creators. Is there anybody with a social media following? Like, vlog creators, things like that. Like, the more slice of life kind of style. Do you ever have someone like ask you, like, hey, like, you look really familiar and then you have to be like, do you watch a lot of Game Born? And it's kind of awkward. Peak feminist. Yeah, what I was going to say in relation to Advance Wars being nominated. I just find it interesting that that was put up for nomination despite it's a lack of popularity. And it's a quality remake, right? But then you look at something like Metropolitan Remastered and people will say, well, that shouldn't be in it because it's a remaster, not a remake. But you just, like, I feel like that shouldn't really matter. Because if we can say, like, if we can see remakes like Advance Wars and that counts because it's technically a remake and we look at remastered, which is the best looking game on Switch and the second highest rate on, second highest rates game on Switch this year and is a lot more popular than Advance Wars, but it doesn't count because it's technically a remaster. Isn't that just kind of like stupid? Like, doesn't make any sense. Like, from a functional perspective, visually it's the most impressive game. It's fun, it has quality of life updates, it has new art. Why shouldn't it be counted? Just because the way it was developed was slightly different. I think because it has remastered in the title is probably the entire reason it's missing from the conversation because I'd be willing to bet, I know these are coming out at the wrong time. Oh, well, maybe not for next year we'll see, but Super Mario RPG doesn't have remastered in the title even though you could say that's more of a remake, especially since it's from the SNES era, but it still follows the original game formula. So that's debatable. But Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, Nintendo's doing this thing with certain games where they're just dropping the remake or remaster altogether. It's just the name of the game. I'd be willing to bet that those maybe slide into some award categories more than because it says Metroid Prime remastered and it's the same box art, same everything, but just way better. I think it should be in the conversation, but. At least the last of us remastered got the same treatment. That's a good point. That would be outrageous if that recognition. Oh gosh. Yeah, that's a good point. And that's why I really think more than anything, it just goes to show that there should be one category if they add one, make it for remakes remastered and then just eliminate those from being in the conversation for any other awards. That's what I think is the simple fix for all of that. I feel like even if they did that, some were like, sometimes a game comes out like Resident Evil 4 or even Metroid Prime remastered that may deserve some of that talk. I think that if it's a ground up remake, then it should be eligible. I think if it's just a visual remaster, it shouldn't even be on the list. Yeah, because think about Final Fantasy VII remake or even calling that. Well, that's not a remake or a remaster. That's a sequel. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying is whenever they take the core, if Ocarina of Time got a core restart from the ground up, we would all say that it should be involved in the conversation. So I do think that there's acceptance of the rules, but whenever it's more of a one-to-one remake or remaster, whatever you wanna call that, when it's just so close to the original source content, then it needs to be in its own category. Well, then what Advanced Wars is... Yeah, is that. One-to-one. I mean, the art style is different. I guess that's why it doesn't... Is that it? Think what we're doing here is poking holes in how well put together the Game Wars is to begin with. Which is really hard to do. It's not hard to do. Yeah, exactly. Like my entertainment, that's what it really is. Yep. Anyway, I feel like I voiced all my... Justice for Samus. Yes, just hashtag Justice for Samus and also the entire Xenoblade series, but that's, yeah. Xenoblade who? Okay. Xenoblade Chronicles, buddy. I'm just kidding, we're good. So how about those analysis? Because that is probably why most of us are even gonna try to watch the show. What are we feeling? What are we thinking to show up here? Are we kind of touched on GTA VI? I think Death Stranding 2. I think Jeff was gonna secure it. Shadow of the Archery. Shadow of the Archery, Elden Ring. I think that'll be there almost definitely. Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure Most Anticipated is a category, right? Yes, it is. Isn't it weird? I'm pretty sure Silent Hill 2 was not a nominee and I found that kind of weird because like Jeff's so close with Kijima. I mean GTA VI isn't nominated either for Most Anticipated, but that's just because it doesn't have a trailer or release date. Does Silent Hill 2 have a trailer? I think it does, isn't it? I don't know. Maybe it just wasn't... I think it does, yeah. You can pre-order it already. It might be interesting if they show like GTA VI or I don't know, maybe Metroid Prime 4 and those would be something that would actually probably would have been in like Most Anticipated, but because of the timing of it, won't be. Nintendo for the last two or three years though has not shown a single thing. Who? Who hasn't shown a single thing? Nintendo. Benito Origins was last year, plus what else was it on? Fire Emblem Engaged DLC. Fire Emblem Engaged DLC. There was two Nintendo published announcements last year. 2017 they did the DLC Hot Drop, right? Was the... Yeah, they shot out Breath of the Wild's DLC and they also announced Benito 1 and 2 coming to Switch and announced Benito 3. 2018 was Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and Joker 2019. They even showed up. I think they showed up. Oh yeah, I see what you're saying, but you have to admit that's like a lower tier product. That's not like a big thing. It's not like Nintendo Direct Announcements. Yeah, it's not their Nintendo Direct Announcements. I agree with that and it hasn't been for since really like maybe the Smash DLC, you could say, and clearly the Zelda stuff. That was kind of a different time though for Nintendo also in the Wii U era. Well, so I mean, let's talk about that for a moment because I did a video on this on their day. I don't remember every game, but there's always been some Nintendo related announcement at the Game Awards since 2015. It may not be what you consider super exciting, but it is something. It is new content being shown in some way, shape, or form. But to your point, it isn't always on the level of a Smash Brothers or a Breath of the Wild or a Bandit of Three. Like I would say those are major things. Those have all happened 2016 through 2018. Now, there's been a conversation that maybe Nintendo doesn't do that anymore because Reggie no longer works with Nintendo and thus that relationship between Jeff Keely and Reggie is no longer really impacting the Nintendo announcements. That might be the case, but I've been arguing or at least suggesting the possibility that maybe the reason why the announcement hype levels have kind of died down has more to do with the fact that Nintendo is not trying to push the marketing as much right now because they're in the middle of their cycle, but with Switch 2 coming out while a lot of us think next year, does that open the door for Nintendo to maybe raise the ante a little bit and put something more substantial as a premiere during the award show? I don't think so. Do you think they need to? Well, I think they like to have control over their biggest announcements. Like, have it be their own event. That's what I mean. Like have full control of how it's shown, where it's shown. More to PlayStation. Not saying they wouldn't tell Jeff exactly how I won it for the Game Awards, but it's still different than having it at your own event. I'm going in with extremely low expectations to see anything super notable from Nintendo, but I hope I am wrong about that. I would love to see them do because Cheers of the Kingdom wins a bunch of awards that Dr. Sera Ken Toto Tweet maybe actually has some validity and ZR 2023 means that we're going to get a Shadow Drops All announcement. But my hope's not there for that because I just don't... The pattern that Nintendo has followed in more recent years is that control pattern almost entirely. Like everything they do is their own trailer, their own upload to their own YouTube channel. Like they want it to just be eyes on them. So I'd be really surprised if they show up in a big way outside of like third party games or even like a smaller first party game that maybe we don't know about. And so I made a video today to kind of make the argument that May Prime 4 could be shown off, right? I'm not saying it for sure it will, just like it's possible. It's on the table. It is possible. But possible doesn't mean 90%, right? I mean, maybe, yeah. Right, it could be less than 50 or 40 or 30. But like you look at the announcements we got last year, Bayonet Origins is an entire, like published Nintendo title that came out March. It was their March game this year. And Firemen Engage, they announced the DLC at the awards, which is their big January game. When you look at the games that are coming out this January to March, we have another code, two memories. So it's two, I think it's two and other code games being remastered. Then February, it's a Game Boy Advance remake in Mario vs. Donkey Kong. And then March, it's Princess Peach Showtime. I don't even think we've seen enough on Princess Peach Showtime for them to announce the DLC for that. So I'm just kind of not sure what kind of level of announce it would even fit if that's a level they're gonna do and no higher. You know what they're really cool announcement? Mario RPG Amiibo Run. Which now I'm all... I just ran out the door in my head. What's that thing done? And we've got like the Mario RPG style Mario and like Bowser and Peach. Oh, I mean, okay. That would be cool to see. If they did all the characters from the box art, you know, Amiibo. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah. I hope we see something big. I just don't know how likely it is. I've considered the possibility that maybe we could get like a DLC announcement. But as I mentioned, the January through March games don't really seem like they would be the ones or you would get that. But we do have Pikmin 4 and we do have Mario Wonder. And they haven't de-confirmed DLC for those games. Maybe they reveal Pikmin 5 or show us something because they already kind of revealed it. What do you mean? They said it's coming. Well, they announced that they had been working on it for a long time. So now that that's out of the bottle a little bit, I could see them maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I think Pikmin 5 is definitely something very important. I'm kind of reaching based on whatever we do now. I feel like, you know, outside of it like, I think it's a DLC announcement. Like Mario Wonder or Pikmin 4. Or it could be a spin-off game. Like nobody knew Bayonetta Origins was a thing before they showed up. I don't think Pikmin 4 is getting a DLC when they've already worked on Pikmin 5. Yeah, I mean, maybe you're right. I mean, I thought that maybe we're not going to get DLC for any more major Nintendo games because they're just kind of transitioning their development projects to their next. Okay, how about this, Andres? They announced an expansion for Tears of the Kingdom. Well, technically. Not a DLC. Oh, it's DLC, bro. It's just DLC on steroids. People will still call it DLC, though. You can download. They're not. It's content you can download. But what if they sell it? You can buy it as its own cartridge, like Xenoblade Torna. Yeah. So we're going to predict that. We're going to also predict Ocarina of Time Remake. Experience. Yeah. I think it'd be more likely to see them just pick a random game like Mario Party Superstars and throw DLC out for it. I mean, we saw Mario Kart 8 Deluxe get DLC years and years after, and obviously that's different with the sales situation. But you could pick any handful of like older Mario games that might just get DLC announced or something like that. I just threw it in my mouth a little bit. That's okay, I swallowed it. Mario Party Superstars is a quality game. That's not keeping it clean, Jake. I know we're not outrilling the possibility. They have five, if we have four, is it four or five? I think they have five boards, but it's a hundred of the funnest mini games in series history, return to classic button controls and it looks and plays fantastic. The only crime is, is that we don't have more boards and that's where DLC comes into the conversation. Maybe they can show off Morse between threes DLC. That I think that's something that can make sense. That's possible. I could see that. Yeah. What's that? An award show, though? Well, did Bayonet Origins fit? Well, I think that was a different time with this year. We've got like, it's a stacked year and I think developers right now and just publishers are kind of shaking in their boots on what they're about to reveal at the Game Awards. Well, because of the simple fact that GTA 6. The other thing that opened the room this year also is people are probably reluctant to show stuff, especially bigger stuff, because it's going to get buried by GTA 6. I think Nintendo's worried about just getting buried. Like any GTA 6 trailers, announcements. I think Nintendo will be silent for a while. Okay. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, that's what I was about to say. Like I think that, you know, depending on when they do it, I hope it's going to be before the Game Awards. So that way the Game Awards is like a big event on its own just because if it doesn't on the same day or like the same award show, then no one's going to care about Game of the Year, which honestly might be a better outcome for us all. That's also kind of why I was thinking like maybe something like an Amiibo announcement because then you can coexist with GTA 6 and that's kind of a different thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I think that every, I think Xbox has a big show here. I think they show up, they show us some gameplay. Maybe they announce a console like they did back in the day with their like, you know, for the Xbox Series X. Well, yeah, you know that shit with other Xbox Series. Yeah, that's true. I also think that, yeah, no, I think PlayStation is also going to be pretty crickets at this event. Yeah, I think that the main focus is probably third party. Wait, Nate says that the Nintendo Switch 2 trailer will drop with GTA 6 gameplay in the Switch 2. That would be wild. What comes first? GTA 6 or Switch 2? GTA, well, what will? Like, release date or? Trailer GTA 6. No, you see the GTA 6 trailer. Like an actual release? I think Switch 2. You see the GTA 6 trailer and that's the world premiere for it. And then it's playing the whole time. And at the end of it, when it says coming, you know, you know, it zooms out and it's on a Switch 2. Yeah, it's crazy. And they go straight into the Nintendo. That would actually be probably the best game awards announcement ever. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, talk about breaking the Internet. That would just one, two punch that you could never cover for. You're watching this, you fucking, you little dicks. If you've got something up your sleeve, I'll. I think it's actually an interesting thought, though, like just kind of considering like the significance of announcements. Like, what is the most significant Nintendo announcement you've seen? That's what I'm saying, man. Like, what is the most the most significant one? In the recent or like overall? Like, what's the ever? And I think that's our high point, right? Like the Zelda game. Well, they wouldn't they show like detailed gameplay of Breath of the Wild for the first time? Like, what was the first time it wasn't the first time? Well, OK, OK, actually, it's debatable. So they did do the they did have that gameplay demonstration of Breath of the Wild. There was a weird hit on the Wii U. It was off screen, was off screen footage where we saw a new and a new motor together. That was really cool. That game was very early on back then, right? I want to say that was 2014 even. I think so. Yeah. So actually, I think we've gotten Nintendo stuff since 2014. But. Maybe, yeah, maybe that is it. That I think it's a Nintendo Switch announcement trailer. I think that console ushered in a new Nintendo Switch already came out like the switch, the Switch announcement trailer was in October. Yeah, but at the actual game awards, I don't. Oh, we're talking about the game awards. Like, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, overall. Oh, oh, well, yeah, I agree with these. Probably it's the Switch announcement. Yeah, that was definitely a pipe. Yeah. Well, you mean, wait. So wait, Wes, you were saying overall, not just game awards. You just like just yeah, just overall. Yeah, yeah. OK, I mean, yeah, definitely. I mean, I think at the game awards, I would say the one that got me the most excited was the Champions Ballad DLC, like at the game. Yeah, I was like, I mean, Shadow Drop is nice. Yeah, Shadow Drop, like, bro, like the live reactions to that was like Nintendo, one game of the year or they they one game of the year. And then Shadow Drive or like the Shadow Drive or they announced it and then they won game of the year. And it was just like, it's the thing is I'm more inclined to think Nintendo would do a big announcement if they knew they were going to win. Yeah. And I think Jeff would tell them how these work. They know the companies know if they're winning or not. Yeah. Doug Bowser got on stage and had a cue car or, you know, his little notes of what he was going to say about Metroid Dread winning Best Action Adventure, you know, right. Maybe you could you could argue they tell everybody to do it just in case. But I think in certain cases with the super higher ups of companies, they know like Doug Bowser knows if he's getting on the world, the reason part of the reason they participate is because they know everything that's going to happen up front. Right. So I guess how they want to market different stuff. I'm just exactly. Yeah. I'm going to disagree with you guys. And I say that because the fan voting ends on December 6th. So are we saying the fan voting like, well, like, well, I guess maybe what I'm really asking here is like, how long ahead of time do they do they know? Because if that is a day beforehand. Before they go, OK, so we can find that out. If we got Nate mentioned, there was one publication is the one that revealed that there's three to five people per outlet that vote. If whatever is kind of funny organization like that, I mean, we could probably figure it out, right? Like, when did they need their votes in? OK, they probably know within a couple of days. So so this is this is let me explain why I don't think they know ahead of time, because in order to get a trailer together, that that takes time to put together. It's not like they they just put it together. Right. But Andre, if they take the time to put together a trailer, they're still going to use it, whether it's for the Game Awards or not. So they're going to take the time to put together the trailer. The question is, OK, are we winning something so it's worth to show the Game Awards or do we just show the next week we were always going to. So but the other thing, well, I guess what the other point I'm going to get at here is that there's a lot of announces coming. You don't think they have this all organized like a week or two in advance, at least before, if not more so. And so I think they know well ahead. But then until the night before. Yeah, Nate, just point out a great point in the chat. Some of the awards are literally recorded acceptances. So they have. So if they're not there, then they have to record an acceptance speech. Then I mean, at least the day of they know. But the question is, is how much ahead of time? I mean, they use it as leverage to get people out at the event as well. So we say there's a mentor or trailer that's sorry. I cut you off. No chance. Oh, no, no, I was indeed in what I said. But yeah, no chance, no mentor for. Right. But let's say let's say there is sure. But some sort of zealotry would be a mentor for a zealot remake. Whatever it is that there's some sort of high trailer that has ready. I don't think it's a trailer. I think it's Miyamoto walking on stage and saying, hey, guys, you know, that's all the action. Here's like action or like live action like movie. I think he's like, yeah, it's in development. This is the release window. Yeah, I could see that kind of like how he announced the movie. But also, Andre, to your point, I think that, yes, they could potentially have a trailer ready to go for something that's supposed to go up at a certain date that they would push to the game awards if they knew they were going to win something. You know what I mean? Maybe they do the movie title. Maybe they do the Zelda movie title reveal there and nothing else is there except for just the logo of what it's going to look like on the movie theater, you know, advertisements. I could see something like that. That would be cool. But I kind of feel like we're not going to hear about this other movie for a while. It's very possible. Yeah, but with live action. Yeah. All right. Timothy Chalamet or Tom Holland for Link. Neither. I want to. Obviously, I agree. Yeah, you're saying neither to the company that hired Chris Pratt to voice Mario, buddy. And I thought he did a good job. The only two options whether we like it or not. Tom Holland can pull it off, but other. I can't have Nathan Drake. Quarter one. Yeah, I know. And Spider-Man. Yeah. And Spider-Man. He's the Sony. He's the Sony mascot. Come over to play Link. I can see the Pendo being petty and not hiring Tom Holland only for that reason. Oh, yeah. Well, let me I mean, let me point something. And well, actually, I think that's a good point because there is a certain image that's being portrayed when you pick a particular character. You mentioned Chris Pratt, but that movie was all voice acting. Right. We're not seeing their faces, but this live action we are. So I think the casting decisions are going to be a little bit more nuanced here for that reason. So we talk about Tom Holland. I listen, if we find out Tom Holland is a Link actor, I'm not going to come out on on Twitter and be like, Oh, this is stupid. No, I'm going to be like, all right, well, he's a great actor. I'm going to trust a total decision on this. Like that that's going to be my response. But if you're going to ask me what I would like to see without knowing, I'm going to say rather it be someone else. Yes. Oh, I mean, same. I don't think any of us were really. I mean, there could be people out there. So correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff. I don't think any of us want Tom Holland or Timothy Schall and to play Link. I think we would all prefer someone that's a much better fit that probably isn't mainstream because there's no one mainstream out the top of my head. I can think of. I would rather have it be I want a no name. I want to know who they cast to play Beatles. Right. Orlando Bloom as Link, just let Legolas do it. He's done it before. I think a no name actor will win, but the rest of the cast are studied. I think they they should put a lot of really high profile actors. But Link, especially because like there's a history of kind of being like that blank slate kind of character where you insert yourself. The thing that makes more sense for you. I would never do that to Lincoln as disgusting. OK, I acted or not voice acted. Or is he is he going to be speaking or rather than a voice? Oh, I think I think I think he has to talk. It's not. Yeah, no, they're God. No, if they if they if he doesn't talk, that's going to be a real big problem. Yeah, you'd have to have a very good supporting cast. Oh, you know, you know, I might be able to hold at this point. The dude that played John Snow. Oh, OK. Yeah, you would be all right. Am I wrong? Not being great. It's just solid. Like, yeah, I see that. Well, so did Orlando Bloom when he played the blonde Elf and Lord of the Rings. You can die here. Legolas die here. Yeah, I'm trying as I'm having a hard time picturing. But I mean, you know, I think they pick a younger actor that somebody that's like, you know, relatively unknown. She said, oh, for Ganondorf, that would be sick. And then for Zelda, I think they pick somebody that's a lot more mainstream just to try to drive people to the theater because it is a theater experience. So you need people that can drive, you know, they should have beats. What's their face? Danny Targaryen plays Zelda and then just have the whole movie and even worse than Game of Thrones. What would be funny is if Ania Taylor-Joy played the live action? Yeah, that would be funny. It'd be interesting. Like she looks the part. Yeah, she looks the part. For those that know, she played Princess Peach in the Morrow movie. Yeah. And also, what's funny is that she got she became famous with Queen's Gambit Queen. All right, that's it. I do think that would be OK with it. The Zelda movie is going to be like take itself kind of seriously because, like, if it wasn't, it would be animated, right? I agree. I agree. Yeah, I'm making the argument that there are going to be the Lord of the Rings comparisons. I'm not saying it's going to be as serious as Lord of the Rings. Maybe it's more like the Hobbit, but there's going to be a little bit of that in there. It's going to be serious. And I think we're going to get a trilogy of Game of Thrones comparison, too, just with people that weren't around for sure. Lord of the Rings for sure. Less less less pornography and death. But yes, hopefully not. I mean, I know what you're pulling, but yeah. I agree with you, Sombro, that I think it is going to be a series, which also supports the idea that you want to go with a young link because he wants someone that's going to kind of age with it. Yep. That makes a lot of sense. It also makes me wonder why they went with Nami for the One Piece series, because she's already in her 30s. So if this goes to Long Hall, she's not going to be. I mean, I'm just, you know, I mean, like I kind of question that, but maybe the One Piece series isn't going to go 10 years. I got I can't get my head at it, like stop thinking this. I'm keeping it clean. But in the vein of what we were just talking about, what do you think they do with like they have to put some kind of like romantic plot line in there, right? Like. Or to be a good movie, you got to have something like that. Well, first off, I saw this. This is where a lot of Zelda fans maybe make arguments about this. But I think Lake of Zelda in both Breath of Light on Tuesdays were clearly in love and in a relationship. They have a house again. I want to see a bang of fish people. But sorry, go ahead. I was supposed to be in my head. I was here. You were here. Yeah, sorry. Actually, I'm sorry. You weren't here. You were over here. So I'm sorry, but sorry. That's fine. No, I'll keep it moist. Continue on with your. No, I'm actually really. Well, I like where you're on that. I'm curious here. I think already, I mean, there I think Lincoln, Zelda being a thing is a thing. And I know some fans don't like the idea of that. Like they play choose the kingdom and they choose to think there's nothing there. But I think it's very obvious that there is something there. And I mean, you're tied up to kind of perceive it differently. I know a lot of people do, but there's clearly a lot of sign suggesting something that effect. Now, the question is, will we see them make out or will it be more of kind of like a PG romance? Yeah, maybe like one kiss at the end or something. Yeah, I mean, I think you can have a stoic hero like Link and have him be emotional. Look at like, you know, I mean, even take it to like Star Wars with Padme and, you know, Anakin, like they they technically weren't supposed to be together, which is similar to Link's situation, but they eventually fell in love and that took them on, you know, the dark side. As long as Link doesn't start talking about sand. I hate sand. Don't take me to the Gerudo region. No, he's going to do that with water. He's Water Temple flashbacks. Oh, yeah. What's it called? I feel like what we were just talking about kind of leads to the point that people care about Mario, right? But they care about Zelda and its timelines and what's canon and what's not. They're very particular about that. Like, Zelda fans are really intense. Some of them like Mario can kind of get away with doing whatever because it's just Mario, you know what I mean? I think it's going to be its own continuity. Like, it's going to be exactly. That's what it's like. I think they will definitely make choices. Like, they're not going to be able to make everyone happy. Impossible. But I think like, no matter what happens, like, maybe they make Link and Zelda romantic. I mean, that doesn't mean the games like are like that doesn't rewrite history for the entire franchise. It is its own thing. The games can still exist. You can still interpret them however you have for years. Exactly. Yeah. Just because there's a romance in the movies doesn't mean all the games. It was a romance as well. That's a good point. I think they're intentionally going to make sure that this is standalone. Like it's not going to have like any like, for example, it's not going to feel like it's in the Wind Waker universe or the Ocarina Hyrule. No, yeah, I don't think they're going to call it because they don't want an Ocarina time movie or something. No, I think it'll be inspirations. Of course, yeah. They'll pull ideas, but it's going to be its own thing. I totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. And I was going to say, Wes, I thought you brought up a good point as well. Like, I like the idea of Link being stoic and being kind of like that relationship we saw in Star Wars. I think that could work because, well, I do think Link is going to have to talk. I don't think he should talk all the time. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, it's like, look at the Breath of the Wild. Like Zelda was very upset at that link because he wouldn't talk. So like, I think that's, you know, I don't think he's going to talk much in the first film. I think that I think that that right there is going to play into the narrative of him not speaking. And then eventually, once it does happen, it's going to be like, oh, my gosh, holy crap, Link just talked. And I think that's going to be the talking point for a while. Well, a way that I've always thought of Link because he's getting like Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy 7 came out at the same time, and they both had like a stoic, silent, long protagonist. And you look at like they did the Final Fantasy 7 remake, which technically is sequel, but it rewarns time. So it takes place starting at the same time in the timeline. It's the first one. But anyways, my point is in the Final Fantasy 7 remake, Cloud finally talks like and they pulled it off pretty well to the point where no one was like upset about it. Or you know what I mean? So I think it might be easier to do than we think. Like I agree. It might. Same thing as like the Chris Pratt Mario voice, right? We're all like, I don't know about that. And then we're like, oh, this is fine. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I think it'll be fine. Yeah. No, I think we're on the same page there. But that's definitely, you know, the only way we talk is fun. But, you know, what about just the other stuff we were supposed to talk? I mean, is there anything else you guys kind of are kind of looking forward to seeing announced at the Game Awards? Or do we kind of cover it already? It doesn't have to be a Nintendo related. I know there's some third party stuff we were kind of. We decided for the orchestra. Like they always put in a really good performance. So I'm looking forward to that, too. I'm curious what kind of we need to get the guy back. Oh, yeah, I'm not going to lie. I don't give a fuck about that there. I guess that's one way of looking at calling it clean. I just wanted to try to get some bro mad, hot and bothered. Not at all. It didn't really work. No, cool as a cucumber. Kind of final person doesn't like music. It's true. The deaf ones. True. True. Yeah. To be honest with you, a lot of video game stuff that I've been anticipating or has been announced and I'm waiting for updates. Like everything I can think of is something that wouldn't fit for the Game Awards. Like I am like, what the hell is going on with? Dragon Quest three HD remake, you know what I mean? But that would that would be announced at like a Dragon Quest event by Square. So like everything I can think of kind of like wouldn't be announced or, you know, the new Pokemon game. Obviously going to be the Pokemon Direct, you know? So I don't know. This Capcom game could be there, right? The big Q1 in their investors briefings. They're saying they thought it might be Monster Hunter. Monster Hunter, but it sounds like it's Dragon's Dogma. Did I hear that right? Or something? Didn't I get announced, Dragon? Oh, did it get announced? Oh, maybe I think it did. Wasn't it at the PlayStation showcase? I'm thinking super recent. Like, like that it still hasn't come out yet. Well, you know, it didn't come out, but it got revealed. I mean, no, that's what I'm thinking. I'm the game I'm thinking of hasn't been revealed because Capcom saying that they have something on their fiscal year. Dragon's Dogma too. Yeah, they're saying I thought it was a brand new IP. Did I? No, they're just not necessarily there's a new IP on their investors briefing. They said that in fiscal year 23, which ends in March of 24, that they have something that will release that's supposed to sell multimillions. So people are saying it's one of their bigger franchises. So another resident evil. It's another resident evil remake or it's another. It can't be a remake. What are they going to do? Remake five or six? Yeah, I mean, that's the world we live in, buddy. Or, you know, or if it's not that it's it's it's a Monster Hunter or Dragon's Dogma is the other one that's been popping up. I mean, what about do for a new Monster Hunter? Yeah, yeah, I just have a hard time seeing it being out by March at this point, if it hasn't been announced. Like it would have been showing off at the game. It is a weird turn around. The game show. The way it's worded is the potential that it might mean an announcement by March, not necessarily release, or is it worded very strongly that it would definitely be a release? Unless if everybody is running with it in the most hopeful terms, the way it's being talked about in the news cycle is that again, and I don't claim to know exactly how they worded it, but acting like it will be sold like like available on retail shelves. Like they're going to launch it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Probably Monster Hunter. But no, I just don't see March as a like a reveal. Yes. Well, didn't didn't Monster Hunter World come out in March? Yes, but it was revealed at Tokyo Game Show or E3 that year. Like it had a much longer. It would be a weird, like it would be really short. Them to turn around in four months and launch it. They're waiting to announce it because it's going to be another switch to right, so I have the quote. Hey, all right. So there is a Q&A right from their financial briefing, right? And they were asked, how do you think of this of the sales goals of 45 million copies of console titles taking into account the first half of this fiscal year? Wouldn't it be difficult to achieve it? And the answer is we are planning a major title in the second half of this fiscal year. Additionally, we really plan to achieve the goal mainly by focusing on sale events in the second half of this fiscal year to boost the sales figures of our catalog titles. And when was this when was the date of this interview, Andres? Oh, this article is October 28th. It could have been pushed back to, you know. That I mean, that was very fair. Why do you upset some, bro? I was a good freeze. Yeah, yeah, it's good freeze. It looks like I'm just so mad at what you're reading, Andres. How dare you read the date? Are you? Are you mad? No, I'm trying to fix my camera. Well, I don't know what's going on. I've lately it's been overheating, so we'll see if we can get this. I thought I did. I thought I did make it up so I was like, what did I do wrong? You talked about games in the chat mentioned Dragon Quest monsters. Everybody play Dragon Quest monsters. It's been like 10 years since we got one. I think 3DS. Oh, was the last was the last time. Well, maybe is that the game? That's like, that's a Capcom game. That is literally like Pokemon, but Dragon Quest. That's right. Even now, you were telling the last time I was on. Awesome. They do it. They do such a good job. Yeah. Last time I was on, I remember you talking about that, Jake. I need to look into that. Hmm. I think I was. I don't think I was talking about. I think I was talking about Dragon Quest builders, too. There you go. That's I got him confused. Yeah, you're right. That's the one that's like takes a lot, like with like Zelda and stuff. OK, I compare it to Breath of the Wild and Here's the Kingdom a lot. You got to try it. It's really, really fun. So I missed it because I messed up my camera there, Andres. But what did you say? Did they say it's going to launch? Is that what the quote? The quote was basically it's going to it's going to help them make their hit their sales target. OK, yeah. So. But I'm trying to figure out what like this this Dragon Quest monsters game is coming out in December. When was this announced? That was announced a while ago. So yeah, it's been out. It's been announced for a while. So I guess the question is it's going to be Mega Man Legends three, baby. Well, let's hope and pray. I hope that Capcom doesn't think that that's going to sell millions. But I hope it's Mega Man Legends three. It will. And if it doesn't, I'm I'm I have no faith left in the human race. I really got to remaster Legends one and two in a combo pack and give us those first. And then maybe that's what it is. I mean, I'll buy one. Maybe the next 100 games is going to be enough. How many or here's a really good question that would answer how much that would actually sell? How many did battle that work so? That's a good question. I think it already crossed a million. I could be wrong, though. OK, so that wouldn't be millions done now. You know, I'd like it to be. They're just that's still good for battle that works in today's culture. Yeah, I think Capcom is probably going to show off Monster Hunter at the game or Monster Hunter at the game awards. I feel like it makes it out of everything we've brought up. That makes the most sense. One point three two million units sold for for battle network collection. Oh, oh, that's not bad. That's more than a million. Yeah, for battle network collection, that's really not bad. But yeah, I do think. But they're talking bigger than that in their initial briefing. I was like 12 games or no, because the first two are singular, but then the last two are three. So yeah, it's like it's like 12 or 13, 14 games or something and one for 60 bucks is a great deal. The battle network collection, the how they released it is like the Pokemon fans dream because the battle network games were essentially, you know, you get two versions, you know, white version, blue version, just like Pokemon games. And they took everyone ever made and not only gave you one of each of all six generations, they gave you every version. So that would be like getting Pokemon red, blue, yellow, gold, like all in one. And that's what they did for the Mega Man battle network and it's frigging awesome. Cool. Well, I think we're ready to move on to the Q&A section. Is there anything else you guys want to touch on before we do so? I'm good. All right. Let's get on to the Q&A guys. You know, this is your chance. So, you know, any other messages you want to put out there or super chats, whatever you. But you got to keep it clean. Or not. You could talk about disgusting things and make me uncomfortable as you did earlier. That's fine. That's your anyways. Getting back to venture to super chat from earlier, I said we would get we would get back to us during the Q&A. So a question for Q&A, which Spider-Man 2 is the best at being Spider-Man 2 2023 or 2004? Don't forget the hyphen. OK, I'm going to jump in there because I've actually been really looking into this recently. Spider-Man 2 for the PS2, one of my favorite games ever. I think just the world itself and the characters are like really magical. Like you get sucked into that and it's so fun. But having played Spider-Man 2 and then going back to that, it's not even close. It's amazing how much heavy lifting nostalgia does. The Insomniac Spider games are. Way better. Agreed between. You know, I I I Platinum Spider-Man 2 for PS5. I didn't plan to do it in 2004. Well, they didn't even have to. I know. Yeah, I know the PSN profile is exactly. Yeah, that was before online. I was literally, yeah, I will admit that all this Spider-Man talk these last few weeks has gotten me to really consider picking up Spider-Man. Let's go. Great. Great games here here. I'm going to try to give you a couple of selling points on it. Do you like horror films? Yes, you do. Yes. Are you familiar with Candyman? No, 1990 horror film. I was born in 91. Just have you not seen 80s slasher movies like, come on. What's the call? Anyways, the star of that movie, Tony Todd is the voice of them. And he is terrifying in that movie and his voice is terrifying. He's not in the game as much as I would like. But he's awesome. So that's just like a nice little bonus that you might not have known. OK, play it. Thinking about it. Yeah. All right. And now you've got to keep it clean. Sorry. All right. So next Super Chat here. Actually, this is not even a Super Chat, just a new member. Aaron Rass has become a member of the Nintendo Prime community. He thanks you. Through me. Thank you. All right. Yeah, well, Nintendo Prime was on a Super Chat. Enjoy the Yanis Jersey this holiday season, buddy. Happy to gift it when tears of the kingdom wins. I believe he's talking to. So yeah, I have a bet with Nintendo Prime that Baldur's Gate 3 will win Game of the Year. And the bet is if Baldur Gate 3 or when Baldur's Gate 3 does win, he will have to wear a Celtics shirt on the podcast. And then his fever dream fantasy is that if tears of the kingdom wins, I'll have to win a Bucks jersey or shirt, whatever. All right. Well, let me throw my. No, I'm not going to throw myself into the ring. I was going to be like, well, if Mario Wonder wins, you have to buy a Miami Heat jersey for every player in the starting five and we're all of them at the same time. So if Mario Wonder doesn't win, do you have to do that to our teams? No, that's not a bet. Then that's just what's where's the incentive for me? You could say you could say I'm a loser if I'm wrong. I'm going to say that anyway for you. It's interesting that. Well, then I'm going to force you to wear five jerseys whether you say no or not. You can you can try to make me if you want. No, we're good. All right. So show me the 50 states. I don't care. Since since you're talking, how about you answer to this? Brian, see with a super chat from earlier, Jake, defend Bowsgate three camera controls because they suck. All right. All there is a three camera controls. Defend it all about choice. Duck and weave. No, I don't say I don't know that much about camera controls. I mean, I've been very transparent. I haven't played it. So I actually prefer the game on controller, to be honest. Like maybe you threw on controller. You'll smooth. You know, it's actually interesting because you've played both tears of the kingdom and Bowder's Gate three, right? I don't think any of us else have played both. Summer, did you play 20 hours in the BG three? Yeah, no, I'm only tears of the kingdom. So I would love to hear West, your take on it, too, because. Yeah. I can also expand on the controller thing that I've been talking. I have to play Bowder's Gate three now. Yeah, you really have to. Yeah, you're like the best defender. I want to hear more about the controller thing. Imagine I play it and I'm like, oh, man, this sucks. Yeah, I sometimes get into PC games with a mouse and keyboard, but I'm more reluctant to get into games that feel better to be played that way. And so I don't know. I mean, if I play it on console, does anyone know if it runs on Steam Deck? Yeah, I don't think so. OK. Yeah, West, you were about to say your experience for. Oh, yeah, like how do you compare them? Like, what do you like more? I mean, that's what. OK, so Baldur's Gate three. I like I said, only 20 hours in. I know there's like a thousand hours I'm going to play through to get ever the entire experience or 15 minutes if you do the right options. So what I will say is it's it's definitely a very immersive experience. Like you really have to be involved in the narrative. Pay attention. Pick your choices wisely. And you have sex with anything. The choice is infinite, right? Literally, it's like you can use a pretty you can use a baby as like a sheet. Well, I'm not even joking. Wow. You could bang a bear. It's freaking weird. Yeah, well, you can crucify a cork. Yeah. So what I will say is like, here's the kingdom for me in such a breath of the wild fan. Like I love that game a dozen times. I thought the the leap that Breath of the Wild made to tears, the kingdom was so insane that like I was not expecting it. They baited us with the Skylands. We all thought that that was going to be the central focus. But it turned out it was demon mode because we were underground the entire time. That's what they that's what their focus was. BG3 seems like a game that I mean, it is a game. It's CRPG from the 90s, just with that extra coat of polish that is the definitive experience for CRPG. So while I think that BG3 is a great game, the game is going to win. I prefer tears of the kingdom just because of the choice and the interactivity and how much fun you could have with the game. Do you think that your opinion could change as you get further into Baldur's Gate three, or do you think it definitely could? A narrative is what like the reason that I like out of a Ragnarok over Elden Ring is because of the the narrative in Ragnarok. That's so good. I'm glad. It's insane. But the lore of Elden Ring, like once you really start to pay attention to read the stuff and watch the videos, crazy. Like I'll tell you right now, like if you're if you're deciding on whether or not to play Elden Ring, but you like out of a Ragnarok, you just watch YouTube videos and you'll learn to love Elden Ring. But for BG3, I think as the narrative, like, you know, slowly once I get further into it and get down to the nitty gritty, I'm sure that I'll love that game. I don't love it right now. Did you play Baldur's Gate one and two? I like ten minutes of them. Like I'm not I'm not a big fan because I never played them because to be honest, it's not typically my genre, even though I like RPGs. I don't really like like I played older CRPGs back in the day. Like I played the genre before I played them, but it's been a long time. Yeah, like what Larian has done is incredible. I think them putting the game in early access for like however long it was. I'm pretty sure it was like the first act. It was 25 hours. It was an early access. So like I'm glad that they were able to polish it out or polish it up, get the full game finished and people got to experience it. But like I said, like for me, Baldur's Gate isn't even in the in the running in my heart. It's Alan Wake, too. And it's tears of the kingdom. So maybe we should play Alan Wake, too. It's incredible. We're getting to that's like very doable. The narrative that like remedy has done reminds my wife, actually, that's how doable it is. Remedy is insane. Like the like Alan Wake, too. Don't sleep on it. Play the game. It's great. Yeah. Like I said, I've been talking shit about Baldur's 3 for a month. So I feel like I've been pushing myself further and further to the point where it's like, OK, life. And then with your wife, but now that would take forever to get through streaming with your wife so slow when I stream them. But it's funny. Like the last few games I've played have all been games where you have to make choices, but they're much shorter. Like the like the choice to play your anthology. Yeah, like until dawn, all that stuff. But the way I've played through them is I've let the chat make all the choices. And honestly, that would be kind of fun with Baldur's Gate 3. Yeah, that that makes sense. And literally every time an option comes up, I just run a poll. And then there's so many choices in that game. Maybe I wouldn't do it for everyone, but like for some of them. I compare a BG3 like the choice to and it's not on the same scale. Obviously, BG3 is just insane. It is a narrative driven experience, but it's almost like the Witcher 3. Like if you can't get through the stuff like that, I never play. I've never we'll talk about that. I've never played this. Nice deal for public. I have played KOTOR. It is very similar to the KOTOR. Like in terms of like the the vibe that you have to be in. But like if you played the Witcher 3 and you played through the Bloody Baron quest line and you didn't enjoy that, then you're not going to like the Witcher 3 similar to BG3. If you don't get the vibe, you don't like what you're playing initially, then you're probably just not going to enjoy it. But it is narrative. It's all about the narrative. Yeah. Well, I'm just excited because like literally it has like what? Like 90 hours of potential cutscenes based on choices. Like that's how much it's just nutty. Yeah, I'm just excited for like a game with a narrative that deep where I can literally either kill or have sex with everything I see. Like someone said in the chat, like Jake, defend everyone in BG3, like being a horn dog. And now I'm like, how have I not played this game? Like it sounds like it would make me. I'm excited. That was my biggest gripe with Tears of the Kingdom is that you couldn't fool around with Pura. Just saying. All right, that's fine. I want to note of that, though. I want to ask you and we're going to continue in the Q&A in a moment, but. Like, like what happens? I know you all believe BG3 is going to win. Well, actually, no, some bro, you suggested that there's a chance to use the game to win. Weston, Jake, you guys are pretty committed to BG winning. I'm not sure to be totally honest with you, right? I'm not saying any of you are wrong, but I'm just kind of curious, though, like, how will you guys respond if Tears of the Kingdom does win? Oh, I'll be hyped. I love it. That's the one that's in my heart. I want that to win. But like the reality is, is it's just like the Ragnarok versus Elden Ring. This is literally just a repeat of that situation. Sure. You know, the Elden Ring did what the souls, they did what souls are like what CRPG, what Baldur's Gate did with CRPGs. Elden Ring did what souls like. It kind of made it mainstream. It feels more new to like the masses, and so I totally get that for sure. But well, it's kind of not new because like it made it to the mainstream. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, because Elden Ring, obviously it's the same formula as all the souls games before, but they added like a really good open world. And then this did a similar thing for CRPGs. But last year, to be honest with you, I love God of War Ragnarok so much. And the original God of War for 2018, whatever it was, I thought it was OK. Like I didn't really care that much. Like I flattened it, but I was like, it's just all right. But Ragnarok was so much better. Like the story was incredible. And I was really holding out hope that maybe it would win. And when Elden Ring won, I was really bummed out. But as time went on, I was like, you know what? I'm so happy for those fans. And so this year, I tried to look at it more of instead of putting all my eggs and like I choose the King and better win it. Just like, hey, we all love video games, right? We're all on the same team. I was I've just been trying to do more research, be more realistic about it. And then if Foldersgate 3 does win, which I think it will, I'm going to be really happy for that studio and that fan base. And hopefully I'll be one of them at that point. Hopefully I'll have played it by then. But if tears of the Kingdom wins. I mean, that's my guy. Now, it's that way it's a win-win. It's a safe option. No matter what happens. You know what I mean? That's that's keeping it fucking clean. Sorry. Mario one just going to win. All right. There you go. No chance. 2D platformer in 2023. What? No, I totally agree with you. I think it's the best 2D platformer for Mario. I think it's better than that's like the SNES Super Mario World. I think it's insane that it's even NAMI for Game of the Year. I think that that says a lot already. Yeah, I never thought I would rank something above Super Mario World, but I do now, which is crazy. Yeah, I'm on the same boat. But pulling up this super chat here, Nishquik pops, Octopath and Future Redeemed were heavily snubbed. The Western bias is really showing this year more than it did last year with the LA Chronicles 3 base game, because at least that was nominated. Right? A few times. Yeah, Future Redeemed is not even in it. Like it is an expansion. Like, you know, if Cyberpunk can be there, Future Redeemed should have been there. And according to Metacritic, like there is a five point difference there. Like that's a substantial gap. Yeah, that is kind of BS. There's really that slipped through the cracks. There's really no excuse. And I know a lot of people are a fan of Octopath. So it sucks. When Octopath 2 came out, I finally got around to playing Octopath 1 and it took me so long. I really enjoyed it, actually. It was so fun, but it took me so long to get through it that I just I heard Octopath 2 was better in so many ways, like just like much more concise, much like easier to play through. And I loved one. So I'm sure I would love to to that. But that's the problem when a sequel comes out and you want to play the previous games. Which is why I was asking about Baldur's Gate 3. Yeah. All right. Next chat here. Wilbur Force Wooster, what do you think about Alan Wake 2 coming in as a dark horse and stealing game of the year? The nominators clearly loved this game. Dude, you know what? I would be perfectly fine with it. The what I've played of Alan Wake 2, I think Remedy, this is their best work. And they made games like Control, you know, like I remember that one. Absolute incredible developers. It's literally like this game is if you've not listened to the song Wide Awake from that soundtrack, I strongly recommend it. It literally takes the 10 year wait of Alan Wake 1 and just like puts it in to a song. So while I don't think it's going to win game of the year, I'm happy it's nominated. And if it wins, if it's like a dark horse, then. I'm kind of feels like Alan Wake 2 is this year's Xenoblade 3, like where it's like making a statement by being nominated. And that is a win in itself for that game. I think that's fair to say. The one thing that like I'm glad we're not like focusing on it too much. We're taking the game on its merits. But one thing that is just such a tough pill to swallow for me is that Alan Wake 2 is a digital only game. You will never be able to own that game physically. And that sucks. But like that's going to happen more and more every year until next generation. It's probably just going to be how it is. Yeah. I can't really say anything, but yep. I'm surprised it's epic published, right? Like I'm surprised it's not physical, but where is it? No, I know there's no plans for it. It's not like it's coming later or something. It just that was that was a sad on that note real quick. That was a sad moment to see like a major triple A game that fans that have nostalgia for the first one would love to go pick up the physical copy for the second one. And it's just not even in the car. You call it triple A, though? I mean, yeah, I personally would. I know it's on the smaller side, but I mean, if you look at the graphics, the lighting, the the budget behind it, how much is in the title? I would call it triple A. I would. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I won't ask you for it. But I do think it would be kind of crazy to see that sweep from behind everything I've seen talked about. I haven't got a chance to play it myself. But what you guys are saying about the story, the narrative and just also how they play into the first game sounds really intriguing. So if it did somehow freaky, yeah, I love to play shorter games, too. Because like part of the reason I haven't played ballers via three is because talk about, you know, it's so tough to play these hundred hour games all the time. Talk about the power of like SSDs. Like Alan Wake, too, really shows like this is the future of games with how they're like, dude, you press a button and you go to three different spots like boom, boom, boom. It's insane. Yeah. Yeah. But I heard like the first like 30 minutes, like first hour just like completely sucks you in. It's not like one of those games you have to play a ton to get into it. Like that's what the experience I have with Final Fantasy 16. And you're an investor. Actually, when I played Octopath Traveler, it's because I was so bored with Final Fantasy 16, I wanted to have like more of a throwback and I had way more fun with Octopath. But like I love getting in those shorter games like Spider-Man, you know, like Alan Wake. And so I love it when there's like a game of the year nomination of a game I normally wouldn't play. But it's short enough that I can manage it, you know. Yeah, I also kind of feel similarly to a lot of games that I'm like, oh, that sounds cool. But that's a hundred hours. You're going to play Alan Wake, do you think? There's a lot of games on it. I tell myself I should play. So I can't guarantee it's a psychological thriller. It is has the most insane mystery and the gameplay is fun. You know, like you you have these games that are narrative driven that are like thrillers that the gameplay is just kind of meh. But like this one is yeah, yeah. Wait, do you have a PS5, Andres? Not yet. So that's oh, I see. OK, you were talking about playing Spider-Man potentially, right? Well, it's kind of like there are some games that like, oh, like, like, um, dude, there are some games that I play my PS4, right? But I'm like overheats. Don't get it. Yeah, really? Oh. Um, but it's kind of one of those things like I rather play it on a PS5 for some of the for some of the games that are already on PS4. But so I have this list of just kind of building and building, especially when I only had time to play Nintendo games this year. But it does sound really good. Like what you were talking about with the SSD. Yeah. So maybe. All right. So Samuel talks about games. Look, I've tried to get into ballers game three multiple times and I don't like it. However, I appreciate its perfection of CRPGs. I like JRPGs more L O L. Future game of the year. Let's go. What is it for game of the year? Future redeemed. The game that's not even in any of the nominations. Hey, it's all both corporate bullshit, man. Future redeemed can be your game of the year. It's not his death series of the Kingdom, but it it's pretty good. What was the Nintendo Prime guy? Another super chat from the Nintendo Prime guy. What do you really think of Nintendo Prime? I hear he's an e-begging show who lies for views. Thoughts. I don't know. I feel like that. That whole. Honestly, I couldn't fucking agree. Oh, well. The double death. Yeah. I don't got anything to say. I just hope he feels better. I think I feel better. No Prime is the type of guy to refer to himself in the third person while donating himself five dollars. That's what I think of Nintendo Prime. Next, he's losing money every time he does that. Yeah, I feel bad about the revenue split. Every time I see Nate donate and say, oh, there goes 30 percent. Yep. Seventy thirty. Yeah. There should be a way where creators can do it to themselves with 100 percent. No, it doesn't make any sense. But you'll better, Nate, don't waste your money on the chat. I think that's an easel, man. Yeah, you're probably right. That's a good point that doesn't exist. Interesting. Wow. Yeah. And you can it becomes a writer. You're like an Uber driver. You drive yourself somewhere, but like you book yourself for it. There's some creative ways out there. If you look into Uber driver, I haven't heard of the same thing. No, you lose like a certain percent because Uber takes it. Yeah. Yeah. Any, any, anything like that. That's a service you're going to lose a certain percentage. All right. I got the finals. It's not a separate chat. It's a membership. Not to have been a member for 29 straight months. God damn it, not to have to say clean. Exactly. We'll never keep it clean. I like the profile pick from a spirit. No face. No face. Yeah, they're they're not clean. So they're not that is fitting. It's very fitting. So it's the one that eases baby making music. Isn't he's 10 coming out soon? Yeah. Yeah. It's got those like color to switch to buttons. Oh, does it? I didn't see that. Yeah, that one has them too. Yeah. OK, cool. That's there's more and more. There's so many now. That's that's kind of yeah. A little bit too much to be a coincidence in my opinion. I don't think it is like I kind of there's been no games before like this year that I can think of that had it had it. So it just it seems a little odd. As soon as it was third party and first party games and and some first party games that don't make sense, like Mario RPG makes sense, but Thousand Year Door doesn't really make sense. If you look at a game controller, so that and then third party games were getting colored buttons on the switch to or whatever they call it. I'm guaranteed. Yeah, I believe that. Some people will still disagree until it's confirmed. I mean, maybe the plans will change. Yeah, it could could change, but they're they're solid enough to tell their developers to do something about it. So I don't think it will. And I think it's just going to be like another way that they did the new 3DS where it's sense it's going to probably be a similar form factor. They want something more to differentiate it at first glance, you know, the average consumer walking by. Oh, yeah, that's the one with the colored buttons. That's that's the new one. Exactly. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's 2023. You can't say that. African American buttons. OK, go on. I said it was clean. Oh, yeah. All right. So one last little thing just goes with it on my mind. When switch to getting revealed after they beat PS2 in sales. That's when it's getting revealed. I think they're going to wait. I think they're going to hold that thing. I could see January, February reveal. March, 2024, I think. OK, I'm honestly that that might even be the most likely. March. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine like the marketing, though, like the successor to the best selling console ever. Like, I'm on a. I don't think they'll market that, though. I think they'll just quietly enjoy their place at the top of the mountain. Like, it does sound good in marketing. I just I just don't feel like Nintendo is like, you know, they're not the Sega Genesis of today. Has it is all about the best selling system of all time in terms of software sales? Does it already hold that title? There are a billion pieces of software. I don't know what the record is, though. It's got to be like the answer to that, if not in the lead. Right. It's got to be close. Maybe yes, already. I have a hard time because that thing is like Nintendo has higher attach rates than other platforms in general, especially now that they they're they're focused on one platform. It's not it's not like some Nintendo fans are split between buying games for their handheld system in their home console, one place. Yeah. And also it being portable, like a lot of people are going on the e-shop and just downloading small games like all the time. So I'm not sure what what the record is, but I almost want to say that it's already hit it, but I don't know that. Yeah, it might have the fandom if one of that pops up on Google says that PlayStation two had software sales exceeding nine hundred million units and Nintendo's is over a billion right now. So. For a Nintendo product, every every system is over a million in top three here in correct statements in the chat. I have no idea. Yeah, I do think that if switch two is not going to come out till Switch passes PS2, like that's probably at least another two years from now because if they were to sell another 15 million after this production, 15 million, they still wouldn't be there. And that's assuming they maintain the same rate. Yeah, probably going to dip down a little bit each year. Switch OLED, too, baby. Switch OLED, too. It would now grow. If they if we had the Switch Pro instead of the OLED, I think we would really be looking at it potentially already getting close. But since we didn't have that, I think, you know, I would have bought a Switch Pro. I didn't buy a switch OLED. Yeah, exactly. I was like, a lot of people did that. Right. Yeah. And it still sells pretty well, though. It does. Yeah. And you got to keep in mind with the console, like the switch, you're more liable for, you know, you broke it. You accidentally stepped on it and dropped it on the ground. People would get replacement consoles more frequently for a portable than they would for something that's constantly at home. Hey, some bro. Speaking of that, did you get the PlayStation portable? No, I did not. But I'm curious. I know everybody got them today, so I'm going to look at it. Yeah, I was on fucking fucked me. Mine's not getting here till the morning. Hey, I keep it clean, buddy. Yes. All right. That's dirty. Yeah, I got the pulse explorer as well. You got the portal in the explore. How's the play? Yeah, what do you think about the remote play, like the latency side of stuff? I think it's similar to Chiaki. If you guys have ever played that with PlayStation. Like the would know, I'm not familiar with that at all. So, like, like, you could download an app on Steam Deck called Chiaki, and it's basically remote play. OK, it's like the best remote play. It's similar. Yeah, it's solid. Like, it's not not too crazy. So it said that the PS4 is sold 1.6 billion. So OK, that's a lot of past. Yeah, they would have to. They still I would assume that Sony's best generation. But probably. Yeah, if Nintendo is serious about their comments at the investor meeting and actually supporting the switch with games for years to come, I think they'll get there, though. Yeah, wait, yeah, I mean, I think that the PS2 said 900 mil because now Nate and someone else that that it did 1.5. Sandom, I Googled it and it was the first thing that popped up. So all right, yeah, I'm not putting any stock. Either way, either way, 1.6 looks like the top. Well, it's going to be interesting to see switch sales numbers after this holiday period. It's a holiday period is such a huge period. Like it's it's the biggest time of the year. Like it's I think that quarter on its own is usually bigger or comparable to our three quarters combined. So it'll be interesting to see where they're at at that point. If they're going to still hit their their production, they actually raise their softer predictions by five million as the last financial briefing. So they're they're inching there. And even if switch two does come out, you know, next year, I think it is like I agree that they're probably going to push switch for maybe two to three more years and they can kind of kind of like market it as like that cheaper option. I mean, 3DS is still getting published house from Nintendo into 2019, even though switch came out March 2017. So there's a good chance they'll get there with switch. But with that all said, I think we've pretty much reached the end of tonight's show. Anything else you guys want to talk about or we good to go? I'm good. It's been fun, guys. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Wes, you know, what are you working on right now? Do you think it's going to point out? I'm not really anything crazy. He's excited for the game awards. Got GTA six coming up. That's that's going to be an exciting one. Yeah, you know, just kind of vibes, posting content, usual. For those who aren't familiar with Wes's content, he never wears clothes, which is why we have the podcast. So yes, that is the situation that has been happening the entire time. It is the life. I'm not going to lie with you. It actually it improves the quality of his voice and the creativity of his ideas and it makes his video. It doesn't sit in a chair either. He sits on a stool that's like it's like a donut. It has like a hole in a field. Yeah, just let everything relax. That's actually his logo is the stool. All right, anyway. Oh, that's brilliant. Built in bidet and everything. Oh, my God. It's incredible. That sounds delightful. I'm going to go on Shark Tank with that. Wow, we are all new from the waist down. That is true. I've never wore pants on this channel. In the months I've been doing it. Never get up. Oh, I didn't know this. Thumbbrow, Thumbbrow Nation, where can I find you, buddy? Yes, sir. So you can find me at Thumbbrow Nation on anything. Really, YouTube's my main platform. And occasionally I will post on Twitter with some ideas or big news that breaks and stuff like that. But mainly just Nintendo Focus news videos. Try to stick to a schedule of roughly six per week. And it's all leaks, rumors, speculation, official news, all that good stuff. So go for it. Check it out. Yeah, guys, their channels are linked in the description below. So definitely check them out. They're both amazing. As is Jake Randall. I think Charles just dropped from the chat, too. Yeah. Jake, yeah. Oh, hey, thanks, Charles. Yeah. What do you got going on, Jake? What are you doing besides naked? Apparently, yeah, well, I'm not naked. I'm wearing a shirt. OK. Yeah, from the waist down your naked, though. Yeah, that's like that's like me being like, oh, wow. From the neck up, you're naked, huh? Like that's nothing. You've never been to a bottomless party. Anyways, you can find me. Jake Randall on only fans, right? Yeah. Well, no, only fans is two inch destroyer. Yeah. I mean, Jake Randall on YouTube, Twitter, X, whatever, I didn't make Andre. Andres was enough. That is correct. Disappointed about it. Next week, he had a lot of pressure. He did a great job. Chad, can we get some love for Andre? It's for holding it fucking. He's trying to make me blush. Good job, Andre. Not an easy task when you've got me trying to keep it clean, but failing. So shout out to Andre. It's so relative on what is clean. Yeah, but I do mostly like PlayStation content, but I do like all gaming stuff, too. But Andres, where can I find you, buddy? Andres restart. I talk about Nintendo every day, so you can check me out there. And with that, oh, they will. I'm going to go there right after this. No pants, just watching your videos. I'll see you there. And I'll have to clean up my eyes, but it'll be fine. All right. Well, you won't see me because I'm just going to be watching your videos. It's not right. Well, you said you'd be there, though, so, you know, metaphorically. We'll continue this. We'll continue this chat. No, we won't. All right, guys. Thank you all. We'll see you soon. Take care. Bye, everyone.