 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Happy Thanksgiving everybody if you're here in a place, or it celebrates Thanksgiving if not happy my birthday. So there you go It's a holiday for everybody. Happy birthday, Vance. Thanks, man. I You are gonna be my pick of the week I Just had to get out in front of you. I don't actually like I'm not trying to like draw people's attention to my birthday I just knew you were gonna say something so I was gonna beat you to it see now. You're not a nice person anymore. Gotcha You did well the the funny thing is your your wife beat both of us to it because she's been spamming it in the chat For like the last five minutes. Well, she's very nice. Thanks. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Yes But at any rate yes. Hello everyone. It's time for the annual Thanksgiving Spectacular We're very excited about this of course. That's not the only thing we're gonna be talking about today And I just realized hold on yeah, I'd sorry everybody. I'd very quickly Bring up the image here because I just realized I didn't have the right image up. There we go Tom and I were talking beforehand and I got to I completely forgot to bring up the rumor engine So at any rate Oh Or all messy But but that's okay my internet is my My internet is also bad and so that's probably what you're experiencing now as we talk over each other And so I'm in the middle of nowhere, Ohio and as always internet is the worst here, so You're I hope you all can just kind of hang with it with us because it's gonna be kind of hit and miss as I talk and I'll talk over events. I apologize everybody It's okay. Somehow we'll get by it's a holiday show. This is this is what happens You know back in the early days because we would always be back at My in-laws house. I just do this from like their basement It was real slap-dash now now we're clearly professional operations. So, you know only take it the most serious But as always let's start with the news Yes It's a chaos shield thing cool I Got nothing else. I don't know Is it is? Yeah, that's what I'm guessing chaosie. Yeah, like it speaks of chaos. That's all that's all I got Yeah, I mean this is one of those Yeah, one of those rumor engines We're it's like it tells you everything and nothing you like. Yep. It is exactly what it is It is a chaos shield of some kind and it's like all right or or like a wheel or a bowl You know, I don't know but the point is like it I can make no guesses about the larger model But I like Pat Pat S's faith that it's chaos ogres. We already have those. They're called ogroids. They're ogroid pherodons They're awesome We'll talk about them again in a minute for for reasons that we'll do later in the show Okay Next next news items Okay, Joe Um Yep You show this week and a couple new I new items were were spoiled were shown The beast of so a couple new books were announced along with a roadmap. We had the beast of chaos Beast Lord. Yay We saw that Well, what were your thoughts of talking about the beast chaos been toward your thoughts about beast of chaos I'm excited to see that book Beast of chaos is something that Has needed a new book for a very long time obviously and I'll be happy to see their dominance at you know, the most busted army end Because they'll get a proper book that's balanced, you know probably without a four plus rally and probably with reasonable points costs where they don't just spam everything so the They went from like the one of the worst factions to one of the strongest factions that are now a nightmare to play against and Yep, and now they'll be brought back into line. So it'll ostensibly be a nerf if you're like Theoretically at least I mean, I don't know. This is all just a guess, of course Because like if they produce a balanced book, it has to be almost 10% worse than how they perform right now as far as win rate goes so That there you go, that's what it is Probably a nerf. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited like I have some Zangor and and I'm gonna go for it So we'll see I'm looking forward to putting some of those models together I don't know if I'll end up playing it as the insurer end up playing as a beast man I went with the no video to see if that helps us out at all. Yeah, that's fine. It's all good. So I Can I can find a picture real quick and and and and put you put it put it over top of you I have a I have a picture specifically for this occasion. I just don't know where I have it at the moment, but It is does seem to be helpful But at any rate like that being said if the book is better internally balanced and has more fun options and more fun ways To play then it's absolutely a win, right? That's that's the bottom line, of course, of course Yep, I agree. I agree. I and I am okay with it ultimately Being a worse book if it's more if it's better a better play experience for both those playing the army and then also More balanced for the for the meta. Yeah, 100% so so like I I'm guessing that's the only model that will get for it It's probably a one model in a book thing But that being said when I look at the 3.0 books and how they you know sort of come along so far I find myself with very high hopes for this because beasts have a very sort of defined Placile that's you know, it's a horde army. It's an ambush army And so like they can do a lot of good things basically everything that was late. Nope. Yeah, I agree with that What I would say is that everything that's not That's not Or I think it's generally later has been good. Obviously we had some struggles with with the cruel boys sure and That needs some reworking Storm cast has been somewhat lackluster. Although a lot of the new stuff is I mean, there's some good stuff in there But for the most part The books have been real hits in my opinion. I agree By the way, shout out to Zambies in the chat. What's up Zambies? My birthday buddy It's also Zambies birthday today. So wish her a happy birthday as well. I watched Zambies stream earlier today She was painting a whole bunch of or she was playing a game. That's she's doing today. Sorry my apologies and It looks very fun But happy birthday Zambies. I Forgot cuz I switched to a bunch of other painting streams after like we jumped from her to other people I was watching them paint It's been a very relaxing day quiet. That's what I like anyhoo, but it's not just the beasts It's also the geth No geth Geth geth. I was so excited and I was so sad I'm assuming that the The wolf riders and the underworlds warband are the only new stuff that we're probably gonna get modelized Yep, I I've been eternally hopeful for new new spider riders and that that definitely did not happen So Sure that happened. I mean we got these wolf rider dudes. They're really cool. I mean if it So that's something. Yeah, just their aesthetic doesn't match anything else in the other than snarl flaying the the rippa There's just no other unit that it really matches Like no all the other goblins wear hoods not like little Mongolian spikets And so I like I struggle with some of the aesthetics of it because it like it echoes old get mob It doesn't echo current Glooms fight now. I recognize that there's a diversity of aesthetics in glooms fight with With the spider riders being more forced goblin II But regardless it like it's that's disappointing to me Is that like I don't know it just feels like we could have went somewhere with the spider riders And instead we decided to like add an additional aesthetic to the army which of which there are many currently between the trolls the glooms by the normal Glooms fight and then The spider fight so we'll see that said if any army needed a book it was indeed the glooms fight Like that book was struggling. There you go, Tom. I got you all covered. Oh, I got you. I got you. I'm super happy I'm super happy to see you. Oh There we go Tom is with us. He's here. Even though we can't see his face. We get your caricature So you're all set Tom. Don't worry. I'm delightful delightful So, I mean what I would say is that I mean, I'm excited for glooms fight I have just a metric crap ton of glooms fight And so I hope that they get I hope they get good Yeah, agreed Like I think this will be The one of the most challenging books they've written if you I mean I think the reason why this was the last even though it might have been the one that needed it the most is Because this is a really hard book to write. It's a big army. There's lots of different units They go from you know being an absolute horde army with just troops everywhere to being hyper elite with like a very small model count trolls and and and and some monsters or something right and So that's like a tough army to write a coherent book for because it's just all over the shop right So, you know, I mean, I I think I'm hoping that that means they cracked it. It is challenging that army can feel feel Yeah, yep All right, cool. What else and then oh, yes roadmap. Let's talk roadmap. All right, Tom It's time for us to put on our tinfoil hats So we know in winter of Here coming up, you know next what I do that Now is the winter of our discontent or or content and happiness because we get a we get the actual s2d book release Yes beasts and gets okay fine cool Good enough now In the spring we have five books Tom five Books whoo, that's a busy three months Okay, one order battle tone to chaos battle tone. Can I just say something real quick? Yeah, go for it. I love Let's do this. Let's just lean into this pace Yeah, sure. I mean, I've been pushing for it that will have nine books halfway through the year sure Yeah, absolutely. I mean by the way that one that's in summer doesn't mean that's I am the one that's I am in for this. Let's Do this let's do that Okay, agreed agreed. I'm I'm I'm stoked So spring brings us one order to chaos to death Okay, summer brings us one order that we know that we know about Yep, what is this? What is it? We'll start with the easy ones Okay What are the two death battle tomes in spring? It's clearly OBR and FEC Got to be correct, right? It's not gonna be soul-blight theoretically because they had the last book in 2.0 effectively So theoretically, they'll be the last one this time around as well. So I agree Let's put our money on FEC and OBR two books that need updated. Yeah, okay Chaos two books. Who are our two cast books? I'm gonna go with corn and slinnish Yeah, because they're the only two cast factions left that don't have books So we either have to be something new or we're getting those two and it's gonna be those two, right? Okay, it's those two. Yeah, of course. All right now. We have two order battle tomes here, Tom Okay, one in spring one in summer. Yep. Okay, and The challenge is we have three order armies That need that need new books, okay KO Seraphon cities So is the summer book? Yep, the city's release Because that's what we've been leading on that, you know journey to the new cities of sigmar. So yeah, can we safely assume? That's the city's book Okay, and then the question is it is okay fair enough like that. So then that leaves KO and Seraphon in the spring Who's getting the book? KO Seraphon. Well my Heart tells me that it's KO because Seraphon's not a real army but my But realistically, yeah, I think it'll be Seraphon without a model reef Okay, and I think that KO will be the clinger like the hang the hanger on and I think they will I think I think KO ultimately is one of the hardest books to balance Sure, I'm just because of all the moving parks and because of that stuff, you know, don't get me wrong to be in the spring, but I think that I Think that Probably I think it'll probably be update later and I don't know when that is So yeah, I think it'll be cities and it's also why I don't think that we're gonna get a Seraphon a lot It's new city Re-launch, and I don't Think that we'll have two full relaunches like that short span. Okay Yeah, I tend to agree that I think the spring will be Seraphon unless it's just like another Lumeneth book Which is always possible. You never count out the Lumeneth just showing up with another book, but But yeah, I tend to agree to be Seraphon I think for the exact reason we just said I think that KO is just a really really tough not to crack to have this all shooting army and I think that it's where it is and I'll say Cygnus You know, maybe you could be right He said that you know that he thinks summer is too soon for cities because right now we're seeing CAD files and stuff That doesn't mean that's where they are Cygnus. You're right now. You're seeing whatever marketing deigned to show you Okay, the entire city's army could be completely done In fact, like odds are it probably is Like they're not soliciting feedback. Isn't this a 40k update year as well Yeah, this is the summer of a new 40k 2023 will be the summer of a new 40k line. Yeah, correct the 10th edition or whatever. Yeah So like, you know, they're showing us CAD files. That doesn't mean anything though. Those could have been done a year and a half ago Like when they were doing the sisters of battle previews leading up to it, those sisters had been lock-stocked and ready to rock for a year right, so like Yeah, what what marketing is showing you and what the design studio is doing Do not necessarily have anything to do with each other. Okay So Yeah, there you go Okay, cool. Yeah, I mean good roadmap. I love the pace Keep up the pace. Can we hit five tomes in the spring? I hope so. I mean, well But that also means it will basically be done by the end of the year if we get a KO book by the end of year, right? Well, I want to be done by summer. Well, everybody be updated at that point. Yeah, I want well KO and soul play Well, yeah, I mean we're almost done Good. I want the last two in summer. I want those to be like two more tomes. We don't see yet. Yep. Yep. Yeah Uh Like yep, and then I want everybody's books done a full year before we get a narrative in the army Yeah Wouldn't that be great? It would be buying a book three months before the new edition Sucks it sucks. That's that's it. Yep So all right, cool, let's keep going Uh That's all the new stuff. Let's talk about some pick of the week Tom you got anything you want to share with everybody for the pick of the week? Yeah, so mine's gonna be a little bit of a weird one. Vince and I were traveling this last weekend we had a friend who got married in Houston and we We had an opportunity to Swing by a local game store and Vince and I visited Asgard games in Houston, Texas And and I want to spruke Asgard games for anybody that's traveling in the Houston area It was a wonderful little store. They had some amazing deals on both On Warhammer on magic on a number of different things that a super active community They had four or five games of Warhammer going. Yeah, there. It was it was pretty awesome So I think the week is actually a game local game store That's I think that's a great pick. I was very impressed by it. It was very nice very clean Everybody was friendly ever bunch people in there playing games. Like you said, it was great. I'd love to have that game store next to me, so yeah, I was very impressed by that store and Actually had my friend or our friend who we went down there to get to go to the wedding pick up more stuff for us So there you go We talked about battle force boxes last week common I think now we have the pricing. I haven't seen the English the USD pricing yet. I think I saw the the UK pricing was like 130 pounds, which is in line with where I expected to actually put some on the cheaper end of what I was expecting So those battle force boxes got even better than I was anticipating But yeah, we did we did cover them last week two weeks ago two weeks ago. We talked about them Okay, oh What about the underworlds models? They're fine the new underworlds gets models I didn't pull down pictures of them. But yes, there is an underworlds gets warband, too And Jenna says it's 210 I think I said 210 when we reviewed them as our flag in the sand So I said 210 or 220 so feels about right good My pick of the week if you didn't get enough hot hot slaves to darkness action Last week during our big review of the tome Then I want you to go over to AOS coach's channel and check out his Review with Phil Marshall great review Really good video coach is always the man. So go check that out linked in the description below Let's do some hobby time here Tom I doubt you have any hobby time to report, but let's see. Have you worked on anything Tom? Really fence really? I sent you pictures this week of what I've been working on. Oh, that is true. I Based a hundred and some models that happened on my personal hobbies side and then on my Kind of professional side my commission work. I put together the last couple models that needed to be done and There's some of the Sylvaneth bugs and so I got to to drill and out the the holes of them and and Put them on some new flight stands and yeah, I'm excited Okay, so I I've been I've been working on quite a bit this week friend Hey, I take it back. You impressed me between the travel and everything was going on I wasn't sure if you have any time, but hey Way to go way to go buddy For myself My hobby time has been limited, but I managed I'm still working on this guy. He's the first one for my for a Golden Demon project and It takes a while to do every section of skin to like Golden Demon quality turns out so this guy's going real slow But I got the skin done today and by done. I mean I got the skin to like Done-ish nothing's ever done. You got to go back and touch up things a hundred times but Feeling pretty good feeling pretty good about where he's at right now All his skin is done. He's very pale, which I like and now it's time to turn to the leather belts And I was experimenting with the leather on his back And what exactly I want that to look like So that's my my little hobby time this week working on my little o-groid friend that And a lot of work on Next year's book for snarling Badger. So there you go. That's been my hobby time Well with that Tom I Think it's time for a Thanksgiving tradition. So for those of you in the US obviously it's Good I'll say that sounds delightful How many years have we been doing this what six years now for this this segment at least I don't know when I can't tell you Win this particular Tradition started we just started it and then it's now. It's now it is it has a life of its own I don't control it, but It controls me now and that is of course the Thanksgiving spectacular game that everybody loves thanky or janky Where we look back at the year that was and we rate everything either thanky or janky Are we thankful for it or is it jank and and Rating down and why do we think those things? Okay So Thanky or janky. Let's get into it Okay, first off. We're gonna jump right into the deep end here Tom on the first slide battle tomes Okay, oh There were I'm counting this I'm counting s2d. I don't care about what they say like s2d is obviously out It may not be like GW turn it has been a relief, but it's been released So that's 11 tomes this year. Yep fire slayers Aideneth night haunt doc skaven Sylvaneth disciples of zinch sons of behemoth ogre maw tribes lumeneth realm lords and slaves to darkness Okay, so before we get into each individual tone Go ahead How many dual boxes we got out of those 11? Oh? I didn't actually pull up the dual boxes. I don't know I Don't even remember I literally I cannot remember those things They're just so forgettable. I Like there was the ghosts versus daughters had one Did fire slayers IDK have one? I don't know. I don't remember They did yep skaven and Sylvaneth had one, right? And then so on ash and doc had one, right? No, that was from last year. That was from the past. This is the problem. They all just like Because it's just did you get a new hero? Yep, right and like Didn't we have arcane cataclysm this year or two? That was the the zinch versus lumeneth one That was one we did. Yep the zinchen. Yep. Yep I agree with Brad who said Tom's connection tonight is definitely in the janky category. That's true That is true, but that's okay So yeah, I mean we've had a bunch of them, but like who cares they're all so forgettable is the problem with FOMO boxes You get a new hero in there. You get your hands on that hero the rest of the box is usually forgettable That's usually what those things are Okay Before we do the thank you're janky russ belt blacksmith said KO box And I want to point out that was two years ago when that was no that was two two years ago when the KO book dropped Yeah, that was an entire additions book away But that but that's exactly what it is right like yeah that that it is so Forgettable that all of them have just literally blended to get there over these last, you know, three or four years Unless they have a particularly memorable hero in them That like he causes some huge stir and wants to be used in everybody's army You just don't remember the box like I remembered the the Night haunt dock one first because it's two heroes are both remarkable The night haunt one for being so bad and the dock one for being so good and under pointed right So like but most of them I'm just like wait who was in that thing anybody special did anything happen of note there So yeah Okay, obviously, I guess the Sylvaneth one had the Lady of Vines, which who which she's super cool. So all right Before we get into the individual tones Okay, and whether they're thank you or whether we're thank you or janky on those Let's talk about the pace of the release. So Tom 11 books in 12 months as a general pace Thank you or janky Where are you living? Is he still there? He's still there I'm here. Sorry. You're okay on the general pace of 11 of them. What do you think? Thank you or janky? I'm it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I love it. Let's just keep trucking along 11 more every year Why not 12? Yeah, absolutely. I'm thank you as well It's been great and like although there's been periods in the year where I really didn't care Because I just don't really like any of those particular armies Man, there's been periods this year where I am beyond excited like having sons ogres and S2d all coming out relatively quick around each other That was great. It gave me so many. I like so excited just get to the table and play like I just I just wanted to get games in Right, so yeah, unbelievably Thank you for the pace. Okay Warpstone enjoyer says some of the pace is just backlog from last year. Surely that maybe I don't know I mean, I might I don't think so honestly Warpstone if you go back to pre-pandemic They went this pace on books I think it was their complete intention to keep at basically 10 to 12 books a year okay, and just the problem they ran into was this little pandemic challenge and It screwed up all their shipping and demolished their roadmap and so on and so forth like looking at the roadmap for 2023 Which clearly they're betting that they're not gonna have the same, you know supply issues or whatever There are nine books By June right That's that's a lot Clearly the back half of the year. I'm gonna be the same or whatever so Well, you gotta remember I think it's a 40k year right back after the year will be like 40 the release is this fall Yeah, that's exactly right. Yep Yep So that's fine. We're getting our time in the first half of the year Q1 Q2. That's a OS is time to shine Okay, let's do the thank you're janky on the individual tomes. Here we go first up It's fire slayers okay Tom I'm gonna let you go on this one. Thank you. We're janky for fire slayers 3.0 Tom janky janky I Wanted to like this book so badly finished painting some stuff up took them to an event I just I it was just a very like they just have fun mental problems and so I think the book really struggles and Getting one new model that looks like all the rest of the models It just was not enough as well when it combined with the GHB rules It that like it that that did nothing to help the book with this latter half of the year as well Yeah, I mean You know where I stand on fire slayers as an army This is janky like I Just don't care about fire slayers as an army. I'm sorry for the for the seven fire slayer players in the world But like they didn't do anything to really solve the fight I agree with you the fundamental flaws the book that you have three infantry units Yeah, they have different roles now, but they're all boring and samey You have two different kinds of like melee guys one of whom is just almost abjectly better than the other in almost all circumstances And you know, I guess it gave us some some ability to use like magma droth lists more thoroughly, which is fun but like piloting around five magma droths doesn't feel like or whatever doesn't feel like the The way this book should be made or should be played I guess Jonathan Endsworth said do you think GW regrets making fire slayers in the first place? Yep Yep Because now they're saddle with this thing when it's clearly not enough of an army It's like the dark mirror of this and by that I mean like the good version is iron jaws where they they came out with You know seven eight kits And it's brilliant and people love it because they're all extremely differentiated Like every kid is completely different from the other you look at an iron you look at like the silhouette of an iron jaws army It's completely distinguishable every sculpt everybody's got a different role. They all work together Everything is fine with the exception of like the pigs have too much rent and bust the internal balance, but But fire slayers is just it's never been like that. It's like There's it. There's a bunch of dudes without pants. So yep It was a step up over the previous book. I'll give it that so there you go. We got less janky, but still janky Okay Next up I don't know if deepkin I'd net deepkin IDK Thank you or janky Tom where you living where you living on this one? Honestly, I'm thank you for the new IDK I Think that they provided a balanced experience that With the units I think the units all have a place now to me in my opinion And it feels like there's a lot of different reasons to take different units now And that has not always been the case and so it feels You know like IDK has not been putting up big numbers Competitively, but I think that it is I think there's a lot of gas in that battle tone and I think that that like overall I Was just very thankful with the way that the book came out. I mean so much though that like I functionally own An IDK army at this point. Yeah, so I think that Yeah, I think that I think that it is a far shot from where it's been in the past Yeah, I'll be really interested to see what happens to them Sort of in the next season in the next GHP or you know, whenever whenever bounty hunters goes away, right? Because I do think that the book has pretty good internal balance there There's some challenges. I think maybe you know, like maybe turtles are a bit too expensive or something But but you know, they're good. They're like really strong It's a lot of interesting stuff in there I think some of the internal balance that book has been really hampered like especially the thrall side By the existence of bounty hunters Because thralls are like legitimately terrifying as a unit. They've just they're just very fragile and in a bounty hunter world They just evaporate instantaneously so Like but but for the most part I look at the army and I'm like, yeah, it's not he'll spam anymore They opened up a lot of builds, you know the thing with IDK and and I think we it's more or less played out Like I expected it to is it punches slightly above average, but it But it has Challenges because it's a very very high skill floor army. It's this sort of ballet dancing on a knife-sedge army And you have to use all of your pieces really really really carefully or you lose Like you have a lot of tools. You have a very impressive box But yeah, there's just no room for mistakes Yep, and so and that just creates challenges, right? Like that's going to be hard Bub souls, what's bounty hunters bounty hunters is a and don't worry Keith. We'll get to that bounty hunters is a Battalion that was introduced in the most recent general's handbook that is bad And allows failed units to do more damage than they should I think it's the simplest answer I can give Okay, cool Next up Tom your favorite night haunt Spooky spooky boys. It's the spooky ghosty boys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you With with one one small janky reserve, you know, I'm gonna pour one out for my black coach but as a whole the book is Fairly It offers some fairly fairly interesting build options Whether you want to go hero hammer or horde heavy whether you want to go Which kind of is your unit of choice in running horde heavy? It gives lots of reasons to run different units It It struggles with the black coach just doesn't have a function And then I mean they're there. I mean but I was thank you for them But in the big picture, I mean, I think that they just barely tip into the thank you category Because they had some real failures, right? the black coach was one of those in my opinion the The news remember the boot the the cross booths which have never hit a competitive table ever sure Sure, because they're overcosted and just functionally don't do anything, right, right? And and glaverite stalkers still don't do anything Like this is our third iteration of that unit that just simply does not have an identity And so I think that all of those just really struggle Yeah, that's what I would say. No, I think it's funny new character was just what Holy bad. Yeah the script or mortis. Yeah, I they tip over just into thank you for me, too I'm but they're 51% thank you They are very scary army Especially on their turn when they multi-charge things and put them into ASL and rip their saves off and all that kind of thing Like it's a very swingy army. It's a very strong army, but I'm still thank you for it on the whole There's a lot better internal balance as you mentioned They've been able to weather the like bounty hunter storm through their little damage reducer guy And they were one of the few armies that could really play strong into into expert conquerors That had a lot of interesting gameplay in that regard. So they presented a nice interesting challenge to the rest of the meta So like they I just think they they they play interestingly They have some interesting options Even if you're like from just taking and spamming, you know, blade guys for evidence Which is kind of the least interesting thing but plenty people have done it to as you mentioned hero hammer or a lot of like mixed sort of forces I've seen many different builds and they'll do relatively well and when piloted strongly so So yeah, I mean, it's they can be a little NPE sometimes if they land to the right multi charges But hey, that's okay It's it's you know, there's scary on their turn and then you then when it comes to your turn They're not as scary often. So that's fine Okay, cool Daughters it's a melee army that carry on the dirt And there's not a lot of melee armies that like I know it sounds weird because everybody's like What about our girls look like but they really excel on the double more so than most other melee armies And they also lose on the double, you know, like iron jaws still do well Even if they don't get the double night haunt really struggles Yeah, well iron jaws can always bust themselves out of the normal order sequencing if they activate smartly and you know You smash and a bash and that kind of stuff. So like they have options. Yeah Okay daughters of Kane Marathi's daughters here I'm gonna go first and I'm thank you for this book the gladiatorix was under pointed originally but that's been fixed We didn't fix Marathi in the bow snakes, which is a problem that still exists and shouldn't still exist But here we are But it had that being said it hasn't been near as dominant It has that ridiculous four-up rally command trait or artifact or whichever one it is Artifact, I think That needs to go away Like that's just that's unacceptable for a broadcasted four-up rally like that But like I'm gonna list the problems that could push it toward janky, but that being said I'm still thank you It still tips into the thank you side for me More of the units are interesting I think the only reason you haven't seen witches and sisters and stuff is because of bounty hunters I don't think there's actually anything fundamentally wrong with it. I think it's literally just the season that stopped them And I think you know, you'll see a lot more different books Again, whenever that changes When I look at the tome overall, there's lots of different I mean that I think are interesting Yeah, I mean I disagree with that in the sense that I don't like Witches like heavy bodies I don't think that the bounty hunters change anything because if you're running heavy snakes all of those are bounty hunter Right, they're all the difference is how exposed are you their battle line? Yeah, the difference is how exposed are you? Right and by the way, you can very easily control those snakes Yeah, maybe I just and people often do yeah They have like three units of witches or sisters as just bounty Like just throw away chaff and then none of the snakes are battle line. That's a fairly common thing that happens I'm gonna Come out strong in this and say that the book was janky. Okay And my reasoning for this is that it It exploited or it demonstrated all the work like it's funny because we just had obviously the AOS masters and Like the USA championship and like two of the eight armies were docked, right? So it's hard to say like why is the book? You know, janky if to the eight or doc, but I think that that actually Two of the sixteen remember there was it had all the worst. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sorry I think all of the worst elements of The 3.0 were found in that book and the things that were bad that were leading into the book never got fixed Okay, so Marathi and the both states never got fixed like none of that appreciably changed, right? So that was a problem. We already had coming into this book. Yep stayed the same we had We gained a four-plus rally, which is just acid right like that order ability just should not exist Agreed, especially in the way that it's written and so it's just terrible. Um, we gained at least initially we had a You know an underpointer The black the atrix which was an underpointer unit that was way too efficient and but most egregiously was the battle tactics because Like in official events, we now had these battle Tactics that were basically autocomplete for this army And so they just weren't playing the same game that most other people were when these tactics were in play for competitive events And so from that standpoint like it's just janky like it's not They're not playing the same game everybody else is and it and you know this comes from a person who has a dock army, right? and Yet I still think that it's like it's just egregious How we still have these same problems and we've just added more additional problems So I like I just really struggled with this With this version of the book and I just did not see it healthy on for the for the for the metaphor for all of it You know and it's in its state in my experience it wouldn't Mpe games Okay, no, I look I think that's all fair I get it and like, you know, no part of me is gonna try to deny those issues existing Right, like that's not at all what I'm saying I think everything you said is either, you know, something I said as well or something I completely and totally agree with right To me it was just like the good still outweighed the bad because there were elements of the tone I felt were improved and then I liked overall what what it was doing there But I can easily see how you come down janky on dock I mean it would definitely be the one the next one. I would put as janky after After fireslayers if I if I you know like if I'm if I'm rating them So I get that I totally get that to me it feels like Yeah, it feels like for me it's fifty point one percent or something right Like it just crosses the line for me, but yeah, I see I get what you're saying So yeah fair enough Okay, cool Let's see next up Skaven The jankiest thanky that could be because let me defend this I'm super. Thank you for this book. I want to say that I've played a ton of Skaven games since this came out and I have had such an amazing and fun time with like 80 different builds it is a List builders dream it is Like so many more units are interesting you want to play a ton of units you want to use a ton of small heroes Even into the bounty hunter meta, which is rough for Skaven because they have a lot of like their base battle line dudes That you might want to use like clan rats and storm vermin can't can't dodge it But at the same time a lot of their guys can you can make a lot of people sort of Not battle line suddenly You know there are problems because it has so many scrolls like obviously not everything's good And it's a shame to see the screaming bell be a complete and total pile of trash that should never be taken ever Because of just like because somebody doesn't understand how probability works when they rewrote a table but But at the same time there's so much more in the book that's great so many the vermin lords are great So many the little heroes are great rat ogres are great the ashen stuff's great like giant rats can be great It's like Sensor bearers are great. Like it's it's wild. I could just keep going right and They're all fun. They all fit and lists very differently now The janky part of it is that it feels like a 2.75 book right and That we still feel like it just doesn't feel like we got to play with all the toys No Manipulation of reinforcement points in any way right after doc manipulates reinforcement points the non-horde army Doc get out of here. Doc is not a horde army. Stop it. Okay, but no no reinforcement point manipulation No playing around with really much of the new mechanics at all In the book like new heroic actions and stuff like that you see in most of these other books Nothing none of that. Okay, it felt very much like a 2.75 book But that being said it was a like drastic improvement over the old tome the way it opened up battle line was so refreshing it lets you just build the army in so many fun ways and You know like that's a win to me I I still keep building new lists right now to this day with that tome I I can't think of better praise and I've just haven't had an unfun game with them So like I don't know how much what what could be more. Thank you like sure. There are downsides like it's not a perfect picture But it's been really fun so I Don't know there you go. That's that's my read tome anything you want to say about the ratty boys Besides fact we need to get a new model line And maybe that's why we got a 2.75 book because if we're gonna get our glorious new model line at some point Maybe it's next summer after the order book. Maybe maybe it's right after cities of sigmar, you know, who knows who knows Who can say is Tom still there? Did we lose him? Oh, we lost Tom I'm talking to no one. See I haven't covered up, but nope. No Tom. He'll be back in a minute. I'm sure That's fine I'll keep talking happy Thanksgiving everyone Tom has bad internet. I don't know what to tell you. Here's where we are But that's all right We lost a Tom. He's he's he's gone. He'll be back at some point It's okay Okay Nicholas says I would love Skaven so much if their battle line looked half decent Yeah, I get it clan rats aren't exciting because they all look the same because they're sculpts from like those clan rats are from 2006 I think 2005 2006 So it's fine. I our glorious redesign will come our day will come. Hey Tom's back We'll see if he gets if we'll see we'll see when he when he can talk again But yeah, I mean overall it's a book I'm incredibly grateful for because it opened up so much fun for me and despite the not having new models Not gonna lie. It just made me go out and like Get some 3d prints like you know if you're not gonna make new models I'm gonna make it happen. So I don't know what to tell you I'm not buying those old rat ogres and I'm not buying whether that you know night runners and gutter runners pitiful excuses for For models like I'm just gonna go out and make it happen There's plenty of people out there right now make an awesome Skaven 3d prints. So You know we can do it our own way while we're waiting on our glorious relaunch. Hey you back Tom Yeah, I think so. I think that the I think that Skaven is Did you say you thought it was that you're thank you for the book 100% thank you Yeah, I mean like yes, I talked about some of the jank things I get to 2.75 book and you know There's someone a complete trash units, but yeah Yeah, no, I would agree with that. I I'm thank you for that book as well. It's a nice book You know, I've built a bunch of lists out of it and I'm still I'm still finding lists So I think that that is It's something that I'm thankful for even though it has severe limitations Yeah Yep All right next up Sylvaneth Tree elves Tom I'm gonna start with you since you're back Thank you or janky, you know I'm I'm gonna go janky. I'm being a little bit negative tonight. I think I You know, I struggled with like It felt like all the problems that were there are still there It is a very expensive army So you don't get to a lot put a lot of tape toys down like I Like the list building is a chore in that sense is it feels like you don't get enough and It has one of the worst negative play experiences out there with the like sigh the bomb retreat stuff Between that and just the experience of trees in general and casting War song casting out of trees like it's just a It feels like it's a book of gotchas And that is just that's just like that doesn't generate good play experiences And like in the bugs themselves like they're they're fine. They're fine So I just I don't know I Was just I was disappointed with the book. Okay. Okay. Oh I know Hades. They're not actually elves, but it's funny what one. It's funny to call them tree elves and just like it's funny to call Aiden at the wet elves and To they of course are not elves if they were elves they'd get better books. Hey, oh, okay so I'm gonna say janky on silver mouth as well But this one is quite the quite the just tips over the edge like this one's that the sort of flip side to me of Daughters like this one's the fifty point one percent janky or something, right? and I say that because When it came out it had like I appreciate a lot of the work that went into this Strike and fades a cool idea. It's very silver net You know a lot of the woods fixes so you don't have to have trees everywhere. We got overgrown terrain finally freaking finally huge win there, okay a Laurel got the Got the comeback to life rule that we all said she should have like yay, right? Right, right, right So like things happened that I wanted to see happen But in the end The book had a lot of like problematic builds initially and yet none of them really manifested into You know like some like it's not a broken army You know, please don't miss me Like you like you can plot you can plan against it, right? Like you can outplay it But it's but it's still like it just doesn't generate good play experience Yeah, I agree. It's just not a fun book to play against and honestly, I've piloted it a few times because I have a silver-neth army and I just didn't have fun playing it like I was like this is too much. It's too taxing It's too many weird things going on So I haven't enjoyed playing against it or with it and in the end like a lot of the units just feel like they're not Doing what they should be It's like dry adds still feel like a complete and total waste of space Spike revs are just dead in the water, especially in the current season. Maybe they'll get better at some point But boy, oh boy, are they just worthless now? You know the bug riders I get like underwhelm to a point Gossamids for for all the terror everybody had of Gossamid archers and I do think they're good I do think they're worth having a unit in there of Gossamids, you know, they just they're they're fine is the answer They're fine, right Right, they feel like current They feel like current skyfires Wait, yeah, they're fine. Yeah, I mean like exactly like I like current skyfires. I like Gossamids just fine I but you know, I think people are kind of against them, but I think they're they're fine The tree lord ancient still a single caster. That's probably fine He can always be a single caster, but he needs more utility or to come down in points I think he's too expensive for what he brings to the to the force And then ultimately they you know, they got encouraged to build this hyper castle formation and just spell sing across the board Like this this one build was so preeminent And and has been corrected some but is still obviously sort of the way to go where you just spring a unit out from your castle and Slingshot them smash a unit and fall back to your castle immediately, right? And then just recall them back and that just feels Is my answer so Yeah, no, I agree it just tilts for me like I It's the kind of thing where maybe You know, I'm being too hard or I don't know maybe maybe Tyler would we're missing Tyler But you know, I'm sure you come in here with a slightly different opinion I do think it's a much better book than their previous one. Do not get me wrong there It is like, oh my god miles better than their previous book. That was just jank as all janky To me like I said, it just it just missed it by that much. It's like 49.9 percent. Thank you But but not quite there I'm on the line. Yeah, I agree. Okay Disciples of zinch We got our battle chickens We've got you know Various colors of fire many different fire colors We got little sky sharks Tom, where you living on Disciples of zinch? I'm thinking for Disciples of zinch. I think that it in its current build it provides lots of options I think that there's a reason in utility for For multiple units. I don't think it pigeon holes any one direction strongly I think that it will only get better in the new world without The like bounty hunters for example, yeah, I'm worried about what happens with pinks to pinks become a terror again post bounty hunters, right? Yeah, sure Yeah, and I think the answer is maybe right but right now pinks aren't dominating the landscape Sure, and so I suspect that when when we get into that landscape pinks are gonna show back up But I think that they're probably gonna be about about appropriate, right? And I think that that's the point is that I think that they'll be in just the right spot In the new world Okay, so yeah, I'm I'm a fan of zinch and like and I pulled the trigger on a zeng or zinch army, right? Because I I I finally got you know enough of what I wanted Yeah, I I'm gonna say zinch comes down in the thank you for me as well I think it's it's decently secure in that area. We fired agendas off the roof Which was good. That was dumb. Yep The I like a lot of the tech that they brought in there Like I think both enlightened and skyfires have interesting play and interesting tech They sort of have these interesting roles that they gave them because of their unique rules I think that that's that's fun. I do think pinks will be back on the table again post bounty hunters I think screamers are really really potent and scary and And underappreciated as both a unit and a battle line unit and a threat Like I think that I think that a lot of their casters can do really interesting things I was sad to see the beacon of sorcery FAQ change for no reason like Let the big chickens bonus each other for God's sakes. Why are we stopping that? Who gives a hoot? But like right the gaunt summoner being able to put people in the silver tower is funny Like that's a neat fun ability That was a huge flavor when yeah Yeah, like both both both putting people in the tower and also pulling things out of the tower Like yeah when I saw that I was like man, this is a huge lower win right here agreed. Yeah I mean to me. It's really just like The disease book could probably use little points touch-ups here and there on some things but for the most part It feels good. It feels like it's in the right place. It's doing a lot of fun things It feels very zinchi like it's super on flavor Hello, dear happy birthday. Thank you sweetheart. How are you doing? Good? How are you good? I love you? I love you The one is already saying Everybody hit like for dogs Absolutely All right, so yeah, I mean to me Zinches about where it should be. They've got shenanigans. They've got tricks. They cheat in a fun way, you know There you go. Like that's that's what Zinch should be doing like there it is All right, cool next up Tom sons of behemoth The big boys are back in town The boys are back in town Thank you. I'm like again. Is it perfect? No, is it as good as what we rewrote? No But did we get a lot of amazing things? Yes, we got a new we got king broad. He's a priest. He's amazing We got the Beast Smasher. He's amazing We got some of the we got the coolest monstrous action rampage Sorry in the game period like the coolest monsters rampage body slamming other monsters on to the battlefield Incredible Okay, making them fight last like woe be To those who just dare to bring monsters to a Sons of Bama game You're bringing a knife to a gunfight there, buddy. Tell you what it's all over. Okay So in that love and that's how it should feel. I mean, that's what it should be They should be the king of monsters and it feels that way Okay, let me answer a question here in the chat Asmo if I've got two thousand points worth of demons from fantasy Can I get bellicor and make it into a playable army? Which books do I need? No, not anymore There used to be a thing called Legion of the first prince where you could do it essentially what you're describing That does not exist anymore at least not in that form Legion is part of a new thing in S2D now And you can use the basic demons in there So like the daemonettes plague bears and so on I wouldn't recommend it, but you can it is a thing If you have a cross-section of demons like if you've got across the board demons That's not very useful. Sadly like there is no just all of the demons get together army anymore The demons are now exist in their own silos. So like if your two thousand points are mostly of one God Then yeah, I just get that book, right? So if like you've got mostly, I don't know blood letters and blood thirsters That's a shame because then you're buying a very old book in the corn book But a new book is we'll be coming soon. We highly suspect Because it's the only two cast books left that haven't been done and there's two cast books in the roadmap in the spring so feels like it's a good bet and You know that could be that that's the way you have to go with that If you want to do S2D slaves to darkness Then you know, yeah, Bellicorps part of that army, but you really don't have much use for anything beyond the most basic demons Sadly, yeah, there's no there's no 40k analog like in 40k you can run just like chaos demons and that's your thing It's just all demon people, but there's no analog in a OS Okay, so yeah sons incredibly thank you. It's awesome. I freaking love it. It's so much fun to play could still be better but Again, I'm not gonna like I'm 80% thank you on this one. This is a high thank you Yeah, I mean it feels like it did what it was supposed to right? Yeah, some of the most egregious parts of of the of the prior book was fixed and it got a new model, right? Yeah, there are many increased by 25 or by, you know 20% Yeah, yeah, I mean we got two new models technically obviously one kit two builds in both the king and the beast masher and You can still run all Megas they they up to the damage on the weapons and reduced the the number of attacks Good that both makes the army worse competitively and more fun Which is like again, we did yep It's it's so funny to me that you can make an army better by making it competitively worse and yet Here we are. They did it and I'm thanking them for it. So it's funny Yep, yeah, I mean I like again there are Yeah, there you go Keith said I like that son see more swingy big damage instead of reliable low damage exactly Like that both of makes the army as we said during that show it makes the army less competitive But makes it more of a win like the people who are playing Giants because they want to play giants like me That's what we want. We'll be like ah darn no damage and then the next round be like yeah 25 damage Yes, get this take off your toys mate. We got them. You know like that's great Super fun So anyways my personal take on it Like Timmy just wants those big moments and this book finally provides it Jack Gray says what would be a good army to start with if someone was just beginning to play AOS? So we did a show on this a little while back Jack. So go check it out We did a whole show dedicated to best starter armies maybe a month a month or so ago month and a half ago But yeah like and so there's a did we sort of map them out on this quadrant of you know ease of play versus cost and all that kind of stuff and my short answer to your question is like ogre's iron jaws Iron jaws giants to sound like sons of Emma to some degree Certainly all those would easily qualify as good starter armies But if you don't want to play destruction, there are other forces as well a Lot of the good starter armies are in destruction, but that you know, you could you there are other choices If you watch that show we kind of we kind of walk through all the options Okay, I Just realized these are in a funny order, but it doesn't matter. Okay ogre maw tribes Tom the fat boys What are we doing here other than being a late 80s? I like that book top bottom. I mean for me. That's a huge thank you book. Um, I I like Just about everything that I saw on that book So much so that I was on the verge of buying a new army again Uh, I'll answer a question to chat here. Um, is zinch easy to play? Nope It is a very techie book that relies on a lot of like very complicated interactions and Magic and and all sorts of things that are not beginner friendly Uh, it's a very simple answer is no definitely not I think a zangle I Think a zangor heavy army could be both fun and not be too techie is what I would say No, maybe it's just a complete nightmare to paint where you might be able to get away with it Yeah, oh well, I mean yes, but that's zinch like in general if you're not zinch demons that that is true Yeah, the the demon half of the book's just like this is easy. It's all just spray paint and bubblegum um Yeah, I mean maybe is my answer. Let me let me here's here's what I'll say tom. Just real quick on the zinch thing Uh tom, can you cast spells at the ground at nothing? Is that a thing you can do in this game? Defy, I mean it would depend on the spells like you can cast spells that don't require selecting a target Right, which most do not all namely all of the zinch spells do not So they can just be cast into the ground right effectively, right? What new player would ever think about doing that? Sure Okay And the first time somebody does that to you when you don't know that's a thing just to generate fake points Yeah, the first time a zinch player is like i'm gonna cast i'm gonna sit here and cast all my spells I'm not sorry like i'm not gonna actually resolve anything from them. No benefit will be gained by any unit I'm sure gonna throw fireballs at the ground over here. It's still the one thing that drives me nuts about the book right Because that is jank ass, but anyways, we're talking ogres Okay. Yeah, my problem with ogres is that so many of the units just didn't get touched and still don't have a role Um, man-eaters still trash, you know, like like there's a lot of units that they just clearly phoned it in on Uh, and and that's unfortunate Um, but that being said there's also More units in my mind that they went okay. Let's take some time. Let's make these guys good Gluttons Uh iron uh iron guts. Yep The frost lord on stone horn um you know like The the butcher and the slaughter master still the tyrant. I think all these guys have use I think all these guys are really fun um and like man Overall if you're like a gut busters player, I think it's just like a fantastic world to live in Uh, you know despite the fact that that new goofy hero just doesn't actually do enough I think the gut busters heroes on a whole are are pretty much wins Barring that one particular blood pelt hunter shooter guy Um But you know like it just feels good to play you have a lot of mortal wounds It's an abc army. You always want to be charging uh Like Yeah, it it it's tough It scores well. It plays the game well it does Like it does fun stuff. I don't know what else to say It definitely feels to me like it's maybe 60% thanky There's probably 40% janky in that book just stuff that could have used a pass could have been given a role Could have been given something to do Yeah, you know a lot of those scrolls just didn't feel like it it it had the actual update Um, but I mean for the most part, I'm still very thank you for the book. So Cool. Yeah, I agree Okay lumineath realm lords book four tom In lumineath realm lords in the in the ever expanding lumineath realm lords trilogy Uh I'm gonna let you go on this one. I'm gonna I'm gonna let you finish But thank you janky on that Uh Sure, I mean, I'm gonna say they're 51% thanky Um as somebody who has lumineath it It was a book that made me want to pick up lumineath again I didn't like where they were at in the previous uh version It felt like it was techluster bust now. I think that techlist has a place in some lists But in general, I think that more kind of mixed arms lists even including mountain mountains and Hammers, uh Yeah, I know they're not all that but yeah, I know it's fun. Um, I think that they are I think that they have a place Even in non armies like non-alareth focused, uh, you know, eometrica lists And um, and I think that's a huge win all the way down Some of the tech pieces were given some neat new functionality I think about like the wind chargers for example and their ward ignoring arrows And a lot of the big problems were rained in even though they lost their roles So i'm thinking about for example the fox like the wind spirits of foxes. Sure. Um, I they The super jankiness got rained in now those things don't really have a role anymore in my opinion for their points cost And for everything else that you're trading out for them but I think that so a lot of things that were problematic I think we're dealt with and I think um, there are a lot of A lot of good options and I for me and part of it. I think is that uh, they play how I wanted to play the army Right, which is like a diverse toolbox of unit As opposed to like spamming one unit or spamming like a block block of 30 archers So I like in my opinion I'm thankful for where the book's at now, especially given all of the iterations that we've come from Yes, there are still things that need to be cleaned up. Yes, there are still things that yes They are still complicated in that sense because there's just so many spellcasters And there's so many lures and all that but I think that it's it's just it It's in a much much much better place than it was before and to that. I'm thankful and again It has me willing to paint up and finish that army. Sure And Hades, I understand it was three proper LRL books But I'm still calling it four because Teclis exists in in broken realms and you don't get it You don't get a sweet. You don't get a skate out from that original recipe LRL Teclis then the LRL book then this LRL book. That's four books So There we go Okay, um, yeah, I mean, I'm janky on this one like I I respect everything you said and I don't actually disagree with much You said it's just it still doesn't tip it over the line for me Things I'm thank you for I love that they made like that Allerith feel like they have real play in them now I was thought they were an underappreciated part of the book. It's cool Um, I love the the whole Eometrica part. So like but you know the stone guard are fun Um So that's that's great. Good. I'm glad they they seem to have a role and and are functional and even perhaps scary Um, it really sucks to play against them with an army where your your ren tops out at neg too It's like well, I guess I just don't do damage this game. Great. Awesome. Um, especially if they get the five up ward up um but And so like I'm fine with that. I do like some of the little tech things you um You talked about which is like, you know, I do like the The wind chargers ignoring ward saves. I think is a cool thing. Um, so like that's fine You know, I I appreciate that sentinel spam isn't the most logical and only build uh anymore But on the whole it still feels like half an army. It still feels underwhelming I'm still not sure how it's supposed to win what its actual game plan is It still feels like it's missing heroes like it's missing troops Uh, I mean it just you know when we had martin on He made a comment something to the order of this book will will always feel incomplete uh As long as we don't have tyrian Right as long as we don't have sort of the full sweep of what these guys should be bringing to the table Yeah, you know and tyrian's troops not like not that we need tyrian himself on the table, but like tyrian's half The marshal half of the Of the of the world and I I don't think I disagree with him. Um, you know, like dawn writers still feel like they're not doing much Um wardens, I think will be a lot better once we get out of bounty hunter world. Like I do think wardens is a good scroll sure uh yep, but it's But they're they're they're rough in the current season, but you know, I think that'll change um But like overall, I'm glad that we cut out A decent amount of the npe. That was good um But we it's still like there's still some there Uh, it's still an army that feels like it's winning in ways that it shouldn't be winning when they should just be like good elves um And so it just again, it's not like super janky to me. It's just somewhat I mean, I've played this army a lot Not no, I've not piloted it. I've played against it a lot, you know, because you know, one of my group plays has played this Constantly since the army came out. He loves it. Yeah, and so, you know, it's It's fine. It's definitely better to play against now than it was Before yeah, like as a as a as an opponent Experience here is what I mean, right? um But I still feel like The lumineath player is is relying on the wrong things. It just It doesn't feel like it's relying on a coherent strategy I just don't see the lists in the same way like when I read the scaven book I'm overwhelmed with options of stuff to want to build when I read the sun's book I just want to put them giants on the table and go smash things when I read the lumineath book I find myself confused at what I'm supposed to be doing here That's what well not only that almost everybody that I know That's built a lumineath list has basically come away with the exact same list give or take 170 points, right? Right Dan said, what would you say is missing from the joke that Tyrion would fulfill? Assumingly like specialized martial elite troops who will do work in interesting ways like they're because blade lords aren't it and You know stone guard or fine like don't be wrong stone guard are are plenty scary But assumingly that side of it as well as martial heroes Like actual martial heroes that can get in the scrum and support their troops in a real way Yeah, like it's something that like al-tharian but on a larger scale. Yeah, sure um It just feels like you're relying on magic that you're like okay at To win. I mean if you're in xitrak, you're like decent. You're decent It's not like you're a megacaster or something unless Tyrion's on the table in which case then you dominate the magic Oh, you mean teclas, yeah Or what I say. Sorry. Yes, unless teclas on the table. So Um all this tyrion talk welcome to tyrion and teclas talk where we only talk about tyrion and teclas. Okay, so Yeah, uh, but like It's it's interesting. Uh, here's hoping for book five. I guess that's you know, fifth time's a charm. That's what they always say All right s2d the final pseudo book of the year Slaves to darkness, uh, you know, obviously we got our it's She'll gonna show up on next year's thank you or janky as well. I suppose because I'll go back and pull the books but Um, but it's here. It's out. Let's not kid ourselves What's your take tom? I'm thank you for it. Um, I like what they're doing. Um, I like what it addressed I like how it spoke to some of the things that were more broken like balacor and adjusted them and I like that it got new models and that it has new interesting units or reinventions of old units. Um It I think that there are aspects of it that are a bit strong um But it also adjusted some things that needed to be fixed. So Um overall like it's a book that has me excited Yeah, this has got to be This is up there. This might be my thank you of the year and this is in a book with like three Books I really loved which is skaven suns and and ogres. Okay And this might be My favorite of the year my most thank you um I love the redesign of this the evolution of this book it did Exactly what I wanted it to do which was turn chaos into independent operators where the marks mean something and It is relevant and it lets you design your list accordingly mixing the units with the marks to fill different roles and You know really bring them into a a coherent Unified force. This is another one that's inspired a ton of different lists There are weak points as we said on the show. I think the demon prince is very underwhelming Uh, which is a shame because it's a coolest new model Like the coolest new model, but I think the new chosen are awesome I think the new ogreid pterodons have got gas in the tank So like a lot of the new models are interesting without being like obviously broken I think chaos knights and chaos warriors are both really good You know like there's there's just so much in that book. I really really enjoy the new eye of the gods table Is just an absolute flavor win from top to bottom. It makes me want to take exalted huge champions of chaos as my He right like in the army every time and just start rolling on that table and and and exalt the dark gods for their favor Uh Like man, this book is great. I have had so much fun with this book. I've gotten to play it Uh, you know a decent number of times now and just had an absolutely Fantastic time with it. So I mean like it really shows what can be done if they invest a lot of time into the making the sort of Versimilitude of the book and how it plays Match the story in the world and the feel of everything that's going on Um, there are some there are challenges as I said, no book is perfect but Boy, oh boy was this one just a strong win for me. Like what a strong end to the year um So yeah, I'm I think it's great Uh Anonymous is the doom flail for the doom night worthless compared to the lance the new war scroll. Yes easy answer Looks cool though but yes Uh, like it's just lances. It's always lances Okay, yep So that's battle tomes. All right, let's keep going Next up Oh boy tom, you knew we were gonna get there. Here we are No, uh It is time for the g hb The general's handbook we've worked under for the six months. Oh Yeah, yep. I mean, I was surprised that that that's where you wanted to go No, like we got to get this out of the way now. I don't want to end on this note Sure Well, no, I like there's another there was another big addition that I thought we would cover first, but let's do this one. Okay Maybe I missed it. I don't know. We'll see Maybe I missed the thing you were going to talk about. Yeah, but all right general's handbook, uh Oh, did did you think I was going to talk about, uh, the Incarnate next Oh, yeah Is that came earlier in the year? Sure. Uh, I didn't put the Incarnate in here because I don't want to talk about him. He's janky I don't know what else to say No, but like like to me that is both like the highest success and the biggest failure Um of the year. Well, we'll add him. We'll add him in a moment. I love Okay. Yep. Okay. Let's talk about the ghb then. Okay. So I've split the ghb into two distinct categories, okay, because I think we'll talk about them differently. Okay. All right Yeah, battle plans and the season rules Yeah, like the battle pack and the battle plans. Yeah Yeah, okay. Yep. So let's start with the battle plans Where you live in overall? I liked them. Um Like I think that they were maybe a little bit technical um They forced army building rules in a way that Uh, we haven't always seen and what I mean by that is you needed to think about like what the possibilities were Who had first mover advantage in some of these was at worth going low drops like there there really was a A technicality to the battle plans a nuance that just wasn't that has not always been there Um, and that's good and bad, right? Um different people will experience that differently. Um And so but overall I think that it was positive. I think they were some of the most well thought out technical battle plans that we've had Okay I think there are six and a half Decent battle plans decent to good battle plans in here. So out of 12 Which means that by the power of math I am thank you for the battle plans. It's that easy It's sure sure. Yep. Now The other five are trash. It's triage Like they're bad and people use them And I'm like, yeah, that's a shame. Why did you use that awful battle plan? And then It just like it's it's just bad. It's like fiber. It's just like five relocation orbs. Yeah I would rather play relocation than any of those other five Missions that are in there than than any of the five of them. I know I know that and I I they all feel like that, but I agree and I don't want to play any of them including relocation uh yeah And uh The aos coach says has venture tom ever used the realm command? Uh No No, and nobody ever will because it doesn't do anything. It's not even worth remembering It is it is so situation exactly exactly Like it doesn't know that is like that thing is literally like so do again If some lorem text I said that originally would in our initial review of the ghp I said no one will ever use this. This does not matter And sure enough. Yep Like yep. Yep I don't know what that was Triage um At any rate Yeah, by the power of math six and a half good battle plans or decent battle plans Means that the battle plans were good. So I'm tanky I will say of those six and a half I did have a lot of fun with the tournaments in this season that I went to and the games I played using them. Yeah, so cool The reason I'm saying six and a half is because one of them is just like It's right on the line, but it's good enough. It's like 51% good. So I'm like, okay You get to be in here. You get to be in the good. You're not my favorite But I can play Okay uh The season rules Now so now we're talking about janky galley vets Uh, but like battle brothers Uh, the the Gays are the tactics The the whole shooting match of italians. Yeah, exactly Including the but yep Uh, janky like I just I felt like they In my opinion, they changed the core rules and the core conceit of the game too much I like the attacking in multiple ranks Um, but a lot of the other things just it didn't feel right Um, that felt like the battle tactics felt like a miss to me. I know not everybody felt that way but they were just a little bit too nuance or specialized Um, that it really became a struggle, especially Battle tones that got battle tactics for free. Um, it just created like way too big Uh, I like some of what the ghp offered again Like I said, I'm fighting multiple ranks and like but a lot of it just was either forgettable or it was way too heavy Like battalions, for example Yep Yeah, it's a hard janky for me. So it's janky Yeah, like yeah, it is a hard hard janky um because I think that the despite my initial um Despite my initial excitement about some of the battle tactics on first read it just didn't really Pan out how I was hoping Everybody just defaults to take what's theirs as your grand strap because it's like you're just gonna end up with units in their territory And they're gonna end up with units in yours and we all just do that now unless you get tabled. It's just win more uh the um You know the the Don't be wrong. We all love the the battle brothers thing like that has got to be the most universally popular thing they've ever brought out Right, yeah, no, I agree with that everybody was like, yes, let's fight into let's just let's make combat easy Right like yay, you know, it's just such a win um I hope I hope That what that was was a dry run for fourth edition Okay, and like Fourth edition is just there's some rule that says, you know infantry models Which is like anybody with three or four wounds or less and not amount or something Right gets to do this great Freakin great like i'm thrilled then It's the only thing i'll be sad about If it goes away, I if it doesn't yay cool Then what a win If it does move Right, I don't know Agreed agreed But but everything else i'm just like we can't rotate out of this fast enough I can't get rid of bounty hunters fast enough how many times we mentioned This will be interesting without bounty hunters the blah blah blah blah blah on and on right And what like that just bounty hunters just covers up expert conquerors also being a nightmare Right Yes, correct, but that would like if you got rid of bounty hunters I count I count as 180 on this objective Right like that's a thing sure Uh Shadling would that hurt units with two inch reach too much? No, I don't think so because again like lots of people have two inch reach for different reasons and You know it's still you can still be much more Uh versatile in how you do like that the half inch of a half inch thing is still fairly limited, but you know It's it's there it makes your life easier if you want it, but it means that you have to fight in a certain way um Yeah, I mean I just can't eat most of this stuff into the sun fast enough And so it's just hard janky so Uh Yeah, like bonds of battle or battle brothers or whatever it's called Gabor the thing that lets you fight within half an inch of somebody who's within a half an inch if you're a Galatian veteran That's the thing and like Just in general no one's complained about it and like if it does like If if two inch reaches isn't as important anymore Just make those units move down in points a little great easy done Okay, great fantastic You know like who cares The i'm not gonna like the few units that might be negatively impacted because or not worth as much because they have a two inch Reach is not worth inconveniencing and making the game suck more for everybody else so Yep, yep Yes, I and blade says I like the idea of bounty hunters agreed like concept wise it was fine It was completely just execution Yep So I agreed Yeah Uh, yeah, I mean so You know, we've got a new generals coming Season two this is we're in this six month rotation now See what we get All right Be hopeful Um, I am I am I am hopeful. This was an anomaly is what I will say And that what we will see is Uh a much stronger return to form with that with the next one. So Okay Uh warpstone. No, we don't we don't know what that is yet. They haven't they haven't said so we have no idea I mean generally one would assume like December, january so I mean like next month to Sometime in early january probably That way just if it's six month seasons it came out in July. So You know that's got to be kind of where it is so But who knows in in reality All right, tom war cry Okay, yeah, we're gonna talk about some war cry stuff here because absolutely now before we talk war cry tom Let me go back here actually Do you want to talk about season of war thondia and the incarnate here? Uh as part of this Do we want to talk about the two of them I'll add it right now. Uh, what's happening? There we go Okay, let's talk about season of war thondia tom. Here we go. I just added it. You're breaking up on me Yeah, I'm sure you'll be fine. All right season of war thondia. Here we go I'll talk about it first. I am thanky for the book. I am janky on the incarnate I think season war thondia was super cool. I liked the narrative missions in there I ran the narrative missions in there. I played through it tom dropped again. He's back again Uh, I actually thought they were super fun. Like me and a buddy played through all five Missions at a fun time. They were fun. They were unique. It was a neat it was a neat thing. Um The cron spine the incarnate That's my that's my rating on incarnates in general When we talked about these guys at the live show at adept con I talked about how difficult it was going to be to Walk this line and um We didn't So there we go Yeah, they they failed is the answer. I mean for me like what was so Fantastic and terrible is that the cron spine was an utter disaster in my opinion And yet the box was amazing Like I love the box with all the terrain and like the themed board to a realm Like it's the exact thing that we've been pitching for years, right on our new year's show There's at least two or three years that we promoted this type of idea and I do a box of terrain All of what it was Yeah Yeah, tune to a realm to feel like that thing Um and even the battle packs and what it was could have been a wonderful wonderful thing Right, and so I love that as a product. I hated the the actual cron spine warped In the rules around That's what I got Yep, so for me it was both one of the most amazing releases of the year and and also the worst Okay like I I enjoyed season of war a lot. I thought the the the actual narrative of it was fun. I liked Uh Uh, hey, thanks crash TV like I thought the I like the terrain the box is too expensive Say that because it came with a stupid model that we didn't need Um, but like yes, I liked the terrain. I just didn't like the the cost on that box um the The incarnate just I He should have been really if he was relegated to like open play and narrative play I'm totally good with it fine You know a plus or or even the thawndy a battle pack like if it was just a thawndy a battle pack Now here's what I'll say in an event and events events could have invoked that or not You know like they could have chosen to push that button That's not something that they did though Now I'll I'll say two things on him on the incarnate. I'll speak in the incarnate's defense at the same time. Okay which is that on one hand That thing did help a lot of bad armies Actually have like it filled a necessary hole in a lot of bad armies and made them interestingly competitive As long as the other army didn't have Uh an incarnate as well Okay So like Yeah, but you know, but it often helped some of the really good armies Just be gooder Um, especially at 400 points Uh, you know, we had the the three the three megas and uh, or whatever it was the the incarnate mega army, right and that was just sort of That was a pretty bad Army to play against that was no fun Yeah, you know, so like the the the problem is he sure he could have been interesting if he was only showing up in bad armies But he showed up in a lot of good ones too Yep So I'll be interested to see where we go next with like those narrative books. I hope they still do them And you know, I hope whenever we eventually get to a new realm. He's in a war each year Yeah, I want to see in a war each year. I don't know that we Yeah, we're not going to we'll probably get a season of war each Edition is probably what we're gonna see Yeah, but maybe we'll be wrong. Maybe they'll just slip that into the roadmap somewhere, right? Maybe maybe it'll be six books in spring tom. Who knows? I love books in the spring time Uh, you know, you never know. Um so the You know, because I I I want us to get into other realms, man I want to see what I want to see some cool terrain and some cool stuff in in other realms too Not that Gerr isn't fun. Gerr's fine, but Other places are cool too. I mean, it's clearly our third edition realm Right, like it's clearly our third edition realm And uh, which is fine. Um, but I mean, it just is what it is Oxy was the first one then shy-ish and then now Yeah, so we're clearly sticking to a realm per edition Which is fine. I guess that means we've got At least eight good editions in us for aos. So hey, there we go. Sure. We're well plotted out through the 2030s All right now war cry speaking. Do we have any other releases? A war cry. Yeah. Now now war cry okay, so Uh war cry Uh, we had two boxes this year tom first off speaking of gerr. We had the heart of gerr box set with the Uh, the hashoot fellows and the rottmeier creed And then we have sundered fate Right, which is our which is not out yet, but it's coming out very soon with our little Uh, we're releasing like this next weekend or whatever um with our little Lizard boys and our Dejade face mask dudes Okay. Yep So let's take this individually Hard of gerr. Thank you or janky uh, thank you um, I I liked at least one more band out of there and I Love the terrain. I love that the board is also gerr. So if you bought the uh Uh The season of war box, right the You got two boards and then with this one You're gonna get a board and if you buy the next war cry box, you'll get also get another gerr board And so you'll be able to make an entire gerr table. Then you'll have the terrain to do it. Okay Um, which is which is my intention Okay So i'm gonna split my answer a little which is this new edition of war cry Thank you. I think it's good. I think it's really good because it it's like just cleaned up Previous war cry, which was a lot of fun. Just kind of cleaned some stuff up Rebalanced some of the individual some of the fighters And added reactions, but they're they're pretty constrained and and reasonable So like sure rules wise. I think it was a win Uh, very thanky this box janky I think both of these war bands are underwhelming I think the I think the hashuk guys are just an absolute whiff Just an incredible whiff sure I think the rottmeier creator like average at best and annoying rules wise they had to be you know, faq fixed Because otherwise they were one of the worst things to play against They would just shoot you in an instantly every unit, you know in the the zip code has seven disease markers Yeah Yep, no, I agree with I mean I agree with that the rules thing But like I loved having a war cry war band that was clearly aligned with a god like it It seemed uh, like it's the type of thing that I wanted It's what I would say. Yeah, I mean hey, so um, I loved it But that's more for that more for that I don't love the muscle trees is part of my problem. There's a couple pieces in the terrain I like I like the little barricades and stuff the little bone barricades the little pieces those are great for like display boards and just you know, uh Things that are cool to use like As elements of other bases or as part of other larger terrain, but they're not super functional um on their own I like the big floating skull piece like that little skull tower thing. I think that's cool Um, but yeah, the heart of gir for me was just a miss like the box itself Just it gets a hard janky for me. Sure two bad war bands Underwhelming terrain my estimation Yeah, but it but it can take it was the launch for a new edition. I am very thank you for and that I think Uh It's cool Now sundered fate obviously I can't I don't you know, we don't know the the AOS rules for these guys yet, but I'll tell you right away I'm way more. Thank you for this box because I think both of these Uh, both of these Groups are awesome So sure Uh, the little the little lizard guys are incredible super cool. I love their little bird friends I love the jade mask dudes. I think they're the like stone guys I think they look fantastic. I know not everybody's a fan. They might be a little more mighty. I'm not sure But I thought they were I thought they were cool as um So yeah I think sundered fate to win and it got me this got me excited back on track for what we're gonna see in Future boxes because we got that you know war cry roadmap We know there's more boxes coming right and the sundered fate models were such a such a Breath of fresh air from how let down I was by heart of gur They they I was right back in right Like these j dudes and the lizard dudes incredible It's funny to say that because I could care less about the war bands Like neither of them align with anything that I play Okay, um, and so much more interesting to me is the board and the terrain and all that stuff And that's something that like I will buy that sundered fate box Probably just for the board and terrain and I will sell off all those models. Gotcha Okay, so I get it Yeah But hey, I'm down for it So I I am thank you for the the war cry stuff We got things not pictured here are like the centurion marshal and the legionnaires both of whom are cool Both of whom might actually be decent In s2d as well So That's cool, too Uh, I really like that centurion marshal model a lot marshal model Uh, marshal mathers over there the centurion Centurion centurion whatever he is. He's a centaur guy And the legionnaires look cool. Again, they would have been a better pick than the than the hashit guys I just do not get the hashit guys The human worshipers of hashit Whatever, I don't know. I can't talk about how much of a jank those guys are But hey, sundered fate's good. Can't wait to see what we got next Warhammer underworlds tom That's right. We're going to talk a little bit about warhammer underworlds Uh Sure So obviously this year we had we had some nether mace stuff. We had the gnarlwood Right. So here I've got like the little doc people the scaven people Uh, we've got the gnarlwood dudes, which is those incredible skeletons and then the okay berserker guys and then the I've got the nether mace gore chosen of drom the Those are that incredible corn warband with like the greatest single corn model ever made right Yeah, so here we're just talking about models basically, right, uh, I mean we talk about the rules in aos Now there was play underworlds, but so this is just purely a models evaluation, right? Um, yes, there was also the witch hunters. I just couldn't fit them on the on the slide. So I ran out of room But yes, also the witch hunters. Yeah, I just love I love all of the models like underworlds continues to be He's kind of in my mind like the premier model line like way more than war cry like I just I love Just the flavor of everything that comes out of underworlds and I'm gonna love the Love the the new, uh, you know tie this back to the gets to love the new get stuff that's coming Like I just loved everything that they they put out for warband um I can't think of one warband that I I really haven't loved to be honest Yeah, I think the beast one that's the other half of gnarlwood is my least favorite Uh Of all of them like that one doesn't really get me going get my juices flowing It's it's okay. It's still not bad Right, it's just like it's okay. Yeah On the on the flip side those skeletons Uh Are outrageous man outrageous Yeah, yeah, they're amazing right just utterly amazing. Yeah, yeah, like I just Yeah, like I I'll say this I bought two underworlds warbands in the no three three underworlds warbands in the last like month Um, because I just love them. I love I love, uh, utilizing some of the models I love pulling them apart and using them for other things. Sure. Like I've been doing that with some of my Some of my soul light stuff Um, and I just like they've just they've knocked it out of the park again and again and again And I stand by this I think the best models that gw is putting out right now are underworlds warband. Yeah I think that's there are exceptions, but that is Often absolutely the case especially when you're talking about normal infantry-sized dudes Right because like the things that would compete in normal a os would be like your centerpieces, right? And it's like well, that's not fair. Underworlds is like those kinds of Uh slinks, uh, little slinks claw pack slinking his boys Love them incredible models incredible rules in a os fun to play. I wish everybody would get I wish everybody's stuff actually was more like slink where it was like Hey, I really want to use these in my ios army Um, that would be cool um The gore chosen of drum The that main guy I really love him the coach isn't as big of a fan, but coach. I think you're insane If in in this regard coach because man that dude rules Uh, like Yeah, he's so good So so many of these models are so good on the whole. I think this is just an absolutely thank you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you world the witch hunters do by the way. Thank you Uh, I just thought it's been a fantastic year like give me an Give me an entire army of witch hunters and uh sigmar zealots. Mm-hmm Yeah, I mean, I think this has just been like a strength to strength the year for underworlds Yes, yep, yep Okay, cool All right Gareth said he thinks coach is insane but in this instance he agrees with him. Well, you're both wrong. How do you like that? Uh Because that dude rules He has an axe and a staff and a headdress. That's that's that's just that's just banging He look at that guy. He's in charge. Okay Uh, my final slide tom. You ready? There was one important thing In 2022, we can't forget about they came back and that tom was events Events came back right like this was the year that events came back Yep Yep, that's not where I thought you were gonna go. That's really funny Yeah, and I and I love everything that I've seen with the events this year It seems like they did great The finals were fantastic Yeah, I I've been excited with the events It has been so good. I have not gotten to participate I've not gotten to participate in them unfortunately because Like I had a lot of things that overlapped and it just it didn't work out But I'm hoping this next year to uh to participate Sure. Yeah, I mean we had all the us open events and those were all amazing Um from everything I heard the like big grand narrative at the final was like it was Absolutely an incredible experience all right and yep But like just being able to get back out this year And go to all the events like to see the tournaments return Over the course of the year right to be able to see a healthy growing tournament scene has been incredible like Uh, yep It has been so much fun to go back out to see people again I cannot explain over the course of like 2020 2021 and so on How much I Missed this stuff like I didn't realize how much I enjoyed events until they got taken away And Now they're back like it just makes me Really really value this even more because all the people I've gotten to play at tournaments this year Um, all the fun games the people I've met. There's you know hanging out with people and talking more hammer for two solid days Is what I call a perfect weekend Uh, and it's just been wonderful to be able to do that. Yeah, like and to be like let me clarify Let me clarify. I was talking. I thought you were talking about the us open event specifically You're also talking about more broadly like like like exactly like uh golden demon and adepticon and all of those things are finally back No, I agree with that and it is it has been a bang. It's been a banger of a year Um, I went to more events this year than I ever had right Yeah, like the big cons being back adepticon nova incredible so much fun like just ridiculous much fun I mean I had I had like a truly life-altering experience this year at nova okay In that I got to You know, I I've been a paint judge lots of time lots of times But this time not only did I get to paint judge at nova for the apprentice category Which was like I would never want to paint judge for anything else. It is so much fun to judge To to be the judge for newer painters and to lift those folks up But I actually got to like hand out the awards. I know I've told this story before But I just want to share it again because to this day months later It still sticks in my head as a transformative moment in my life Like being able to announce awards being able to hand out Metals to people to have them come up and then you hand them a medal and shake their hand and tell them That they did something amazing and to see them like smile and stuff like that and to be happy that their work has been validated Like I can't explain how good that feels like I just It's crazy Um, although garith is also right close second at nova was getting an iconohammer t-shirt That iconohammer jersey really. Yeah Uh joining team iconohammer was that that's garith. You're like moment two. Okay. Absolutely. Don't worry But that was really fun Like getting to see everybody to talk to everybody to hang out with everybody going to all the tournaments and stuff this year playing so much aos it's been wonderful And I look forward to 2023 like, you know, I would agree with that By the way, everybody don't forget bruhammer tickets go on sale december 3rd. Just throwing that out there Oh, that's good to remember. Um, no, can I add one more thing? Like yeah, man, that like there's something that you did miss that's worth that's worth mentioning. Please. Um Uh, it was the return of curse city Okay Yeah, yeah, I didn't I thought about it. I skipped it. I'll be honest with you, tom I skipped it because I was like that just feels like it's gonna kick kick a dead horse, but sure hit me. What do you got? No, so so like I want to celebrate like I'm thinking that they They doubled down and returned back and released the boxes like the original boxes Where I know a lot of people was like kind of a lot of my friends were very disappointed that they didn't get there in the original curse city Like, you know shipment And so they felt like they had missed it and then suddenly it was available again and like I want to celebrate that I am so thankful for that now The expansions Were disappointed They were a lackluster But they still produced them And so they're like 49 percent janky to me. Does that make sense? Like Like I'm excited to have the you know, like when the final when the final expansion releases having a Adventure set right and I've collected like partially, you know, so everything The reason I've been painting soul blind is because I'm you know, it's doubling down for this other right Um, so I'm thankful for that. I'm disappointed in in the past Tom's internet is trying to kill his curse that said I I'm You were cutting in and out a lot, but yeah, go ahead. Nope. Oh, I I'm just like I'm The curse city expansion. Okay. Yeah, I mean even if Curse city got a janky in last year's review because of what happened with it Nothing this year that happened redeemed it for me I'll say that I live for their internet exploration Sure, I mean I I can see that but like and I hope it's something fun But like I I agree with the internet in general that's trying to strangle your opinion um, like they came out with something that had so much potential it ended up in a horrible janky situation They re-released the the game and It's fine. Good. I'm glad they re-released it You know cool Okay Sure, I mean maybe it crosses the line for thank you just because they made it available to people But those those expansions were such a letdown to me um Like I thought we were gonna get our blackstone fortress And we didn't We just didn't no I and we didn't and I agree with that I I agree with that we didn't and and to me Like that is disappointing although it's more than we've ever gotten with any of the prior morning requests And I think that that's worth acknowledging Sure, I mean look I hope Whatever Here's what I'll say if from that Entire experience and ordeal They learned some kind of lesson about how to do this properly the next time and we don't get A similar repeat of this experience um Sure Let me say it this way. I I think the real lesson here was that aos warhammer quest can be super marketable Right like the demand that was pent up For the original car city just blew them out of the water Right, so if you have a banger of a concept and you have compelling models You're going to sell just truckloads of this game Now Ideally the gameplay is going to follow right sure like it had its own problems but um But like I still love the original silver tower And we still play the crap out of it in my house. So um So I think that what what it tells me is that I think that there can be a super successful aos Warhammer quest Okay, okay I guess we will probably learn in time All right, but that's it What did we miss is there anything you're thanky for or that you think was janky Do you think we're crazy for any of our opinions drop those down in the comments below let us know Tell us what you're thanky for over the last year Uh, tell us what you thought was janky put it in there. 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That's what it is turns out Indeed indeed What I am not thank you for is your internet, but that's okay. Such as lies. It's been so bad. It's been so bad At any rate, thank you all for watching click those buttons. It's fun as always