 I'm Tim Apachele, your host, it's Trump Week and we have a full agenda and we are going to get right to it. First topic of the day is the interview with Jonathan Swan and President Trump. The title of the show today is 156,000 COVID deaths. Trump, it is what it is. And I'm going to jump right into that because it was an interview for the ages. I don't think it's going to be easily forgotten. We're going to unpack that interview and amongst other items here on the agenda, but let's go right to it because when Jonathan Swan was interviewing Donald Trump. This is how it went. Donald Trump said, right now, I think it's under control, meaning the virus. Donald Trump said, over a thousand American deaths are dying each and every day. And then Donald Trump said, they're dying. That's true. And you have, well, it is what it is, but that doesn't mean we aren't doing everything we can. It's under control as much as you can control it. I think that that statement, it is what it is, speaks highly to Donald Trump's obtuse attitude about COVID, how to address it. We all know the history of how this whole thing began back in late February, early March. Donald Trump's insistence that it was, well, first off, it was a Democratic hoax. Donald Trump's designed to bring down his popularity to upset the financial markets that he desperately needs to have a strong economy in order to be reelected. And then in mid March, he started to take a little bit seriously, but he kept saying, it's just going to disappear, it's going to go away. And he later admitted that he's a cheerleader. That's who he is, and he has to put a rosy fresh picture on everything, despite the continuing and ever mounting deaths of American citizens. And here we are today with 156,000 deaths. And Donald Trump in his most compassionate attempt is to just say, it is what it is. It's going to be on his political tombstone. And we'll find out here in 90 days because the election is just around the corner. So without further ado, I'd like to introduce our guests. Welcome everyone. Today we have Stephanie Dalton, Cynthia Sinclair and Winston Welch. Good, good, good morning everyone. Stephanie, let's go right to you. I think this statement will stick. Do you think this is the one where people will identify Donald Trump, and how obtuse he is, and how distant he is emotionally from thousands of Americans dying. Well this one stick, it is what it is. I appreciate that question. It's a very important. And that statement, it is what it is, competes with you can have any virus test you want, and find out if you have it so that goes back to also compete with what what could go on that tombstone as you say. But I think that, importantly, it tells us about what's been pointed out as his lack of empathy and his inability to reach out in open has in an open hearted way about that human human considerations of of our losses. We haven't done enough national grieving for these people who are really unattended to in so many ways. I certainly think CNN is running a little pieces about these people, people's lives, and I certainly appreciate that we need so much more of that but john, our population is incapable of relating to that reality for so many in the country now families it's just 1000s hundreds of 1000s of people because with every person, there's a huge family of friends and colleagues and it's an enormous number that needs to be put we need to mourn and we need to celebrate their lives. I also wanted to say that it. Thank you for the British Axios interview or Jonathan Swan. I really like that he tried to actually be on task in this interview and and be on task in the ways of holding our leaders feet to the fire here what's the evidence how do you know that where does it come from he really did try to get his resources his his sites. To to to drop the President's attention to what what's, what's the evidence here where's your backup and of course, the President did try to do that and I think that it further illuminated how incompetent and how limited is his understanding of what are these topics and what's the meaning of the data and how do you think about this. He's only searching for self justification things that will help him in his PR status and not about what we really need him to do, which is understand. Let me take a little slight stroll down memory lane and that was the day or so right after our last show where Donald Trump held his you know his COVID press conference. And what we saw Donald Trump doing is, again, as you said, he's not capable of empathy or sympathy for that matter. So what he what he launched into was the fact that Dr. Fauci was partly administration. Dr. Fauci works for Donald Trump. For some reason Dr. Fauci's approval numbers on how he would handle the crisis rated far far greater in the polls than Donald Trump and the only thing Donald Trump could really do is is wine wine about his, his lower numbers and he actually took the time to say, I guess nobody likes me. And you know what self what self pity during a pandemic crisis with the the deaths of well last week it was 151,000. And Donald Trump has the energy and no, no empathy to talk about the true numbers of deaths and how tragic that is to this nation. And you know he can he could render up and serve up is, I guess nobody likes me. I find that pathetic. I agree. I agree. It was truly pathetic but it's also chilling and frightening and terrifying, because it further illuminates his limitations, and what he's capable of doing, which is a good PR job. But he's he's not able to help us. We need help. When I think I think that was really in the Jonathan Swan interview very very highlighted when it came to the discussion about the testing and the percentage of deaths to test versus the percentage of deaths to the population. And so with that Cynthia. I'd like to ask you what your impression of above about that interaction with Jonathan Swan about the charts that Donald Trump was handing them. And I got to tell you something if you looked at those charts. It looked like it was for a fourth grader just learning about how to graph a bar chart. He had four large, you know, two inch thick graph bars in four different colors, and that was that was the graph and I think the staff did it that way so Donald Trump could get his arms around it because anything more complex and it just wasn't going to go through. I have a question about Donald Trump's inner inner change with Jonathan Swan about the graphs, the charts, and Donald Trump's believe that how the United States is doing so much better than the rest of the world than the media is letting on to be. Well, you could just see him sort of get more and more disheveled as as the, you know, Axios as Jonathan swine kept sticking to the facts right and the more he stuck to the facts the more Trump sort of see sort of disintegrate around it. Because he couldn't keep up, because he doesn't know, and you know he's still flashing his little papers that he's got, they aren't even clearly marked as to which country is which and you know there's only four countries obviously that are supposedly represented on this graph that he has, but he never even explained which countries they were. So his little graph was so inadequate that, and then he tries to tell Jonathan Swan, well you can't do that. He's like, wait a minute. Clearly Donald Trump is flummoxed. He's not used to the hardball follow up question because most most journalists don't ask the follow up hard questions because they're worried to be about not being called upon again in the press briefings. They don't follow up with, you know, a full analysis of what's being discussed at the moment and this time Jonathan Swan did it. And I think Donald Trump was taken up, taken aback he was on his heels. And I don't think he would expected it. Absolutely, I think so. And I think the people that he calls on at his press briefings are actually people he already knows are in his camp, because it's pretty rare that you see him call on anybody else. Every once in a while, you know, he'll call on somebody else, but he cuts them short, and he doesn't even answer the questions sometimes if he doesn't like the question. It's all rather staged at the press conference, and he didn't have a chance to do that staging with this interview and in the same way with the Chris Wallace one that we just watched a few weeks ago. And he tried to kind of, you know, know you can't say that no this is the truth. And the same thing he just attacked Chris Wallace on the spot. You know, if you're a journalist you should expect it and you're not, you know, you're not made out of gingerbread you're made out of, you know, you're made of stronger stuff, and you should be able to take that and and respond to it. I think I think Jonathan Swan did a pretty good job on this. And I don't think Donald Trump was ready for it and particularly regarding why Donald Trump doesn't get it. He doesn't get the fact that we're not winning this war on the virus. He doesn't get the fact that we could do everything we can and we're doing everything we can. He doesn't get that because we're not doing everything we can, we're far from it. And so, you know, in Donald Trump's mind, I'm doing the best job. I'm a wartime president and no one's doing a better job than the United States. So, alright, let me switch over to Winston. Good morning Winston. I have a question in and the question from this particular viewer says the ask the following. Why doesn't Donald Trump just fire Fauci and get rid of the criticism, get rid of the contradiction of statements. You know, he took on Dr. Bricks this week and called her pathetic. Why doesn't he just fire the critics and just let him run the show as he sees fit. That's a good question and I'm sure it's brought up every single day in the White House is why don't we get rid of the one guy who's reasonably telling the truth to the American public. I don't know why they haven't done that. The, I mean the Axios interview, I think really shows someone who's out of control and in decline at a minimum. Cynthia said that he was just unable to really respond to these questions coherently and when I saw that bar graph. Jimmy Fallon did an interesting humorous sadly humorous take on this where he said oh that was actually just from your printer of testing itself, you know, but when he said at one point that the that the US that the world. The US had lowered lowered number of deaths in the world. You know, or something like that to that effect. You realize he was off baseness. I don't think they're going to let him have another interview. He had had a reasonably friendly interview with Jonathan Swan earlier so I think they thought he was a safe bet and would portray him in a good light and maybe he was he like the same accent. I don't know. Not foreign accent but a different English speaking accent from Australia I think he's from Australia isn't he but maybe you like that and they thought this was safe but as soon as he started in on some of these things it didn't matter where they turned it was just disaster after disaster. He brought up these things about the election, being postponed or it is what it is that like you said that could go underneath the Bible holding photo shoot that we had a month ago. What struck me is as I was thinking about this and wondering the topics we were going to discuss this week because there's enough just in a day. We don't, we don't have to go back a week, going back a week in time with this administration is like going back a week in time with these things that will have happened between now and then. But hopefully, this will sink in a little bit more into the consciousness of people that watch this and say, you know Chris Wallace got him on. Is it an elephant or a cat, you know type question, but this one here, hopefully, you know an ending with the is John Lewis, what do you think about John Lewis he says oh, there were good civil rights leaders on both sides I think that the interview was a disaster. They're going to keep him locked away until the end of the, the election, if we have the election. You know, let me, let me, I think you raised some very good points and I want to go back to the data the graphs and the point that they're so simplistic. I'm going to go back to what I said last week. I'm going to read this quote from Mary Trump. It's on the back of her book about Donald Trump. And I think it plays exactly into the problem of why Donald Trump doesn't understand the true nature of of COVID and the and the 157,000 deaths. I think this all plays into it on the readers quote one more time, because I think it shows where we're at, and it says the following. I think Donald Trump is as much as he was at three years old, incapable of growing learning or evolving, unable to regulate his emotions, moderate his response, or take in and synthesize information. I just don't think he can do it. And I think that's where that's why this country is in one of the worst countries in the world as far as combating its COVID virus. I think it's a sad comment that that's where we're at. But that's where we're at. Well, hopefully, you know, and I was just reading the paper this morning it said in Hawaii 30% of folks here are still planning on voting for Donald Trump at this time I think it was 57% Biden. Donald Trump of Republican and I thought he's not a Republican number one, but and a Republican of old, you know, the four years, let's say four years ago. But it's still 30% of people are are bamboozled by whatever he's he's selling he's still a great salesperson that you have and that's in that's in liberal Hawaii but in the mains in mainland America, we just have to hope that these interviews that when he says he wants to delay the elections. You know that. So, you probably want to get to it later but about the mail and voting and so now forward is okay because they've got it down there but the rest of the nation doesn't have it because he thinks Lord is going to work. So COVID is so controlled that we should send back our kids, but we should postpone the election. It all doesn't doesn't add up but when you listen to these discrete pieces of information and sound bites. You get a different story but in a long interview like this with with Axios and Chris Wallace you can see everything put together and say, we're in very serious trouble here folks. And hopefully folks in the military and other branches of the government and everywhere else are saying, no matter what we can't have this fellow, ostensibly leading the nation again it's so detrimental for our lips to God's ears and hopefully in 90 days or less we'll find out that answer. See, thank you. Yeah, Stephanie. Real quick. How do you think Donald Trump handled the the inquiry about john Lewis and the fact that john Lewis who is, you know the premiere statue and figurehead of the civil rights movement and Donald Trump says I don't know him. I don't know him. That was a direct quote I don't know him. He didn't come to my inauguration so I don't know him. Well, this is so duplicitous in that he didn't know him but he knew he wasn't at any of his events. So he was perfectly clear as to what was attending and not attending. So there's so much facade here as we've said in this self promotion and in his PR and what we refer to often I think is the con man. I mean so he's all about just just putting together all of these scraps and presenting them in ways that he thinks serve his best interest which of course do not because his best interests are the same as the country's and he hasn't been able to step up to that. So I find it sad, very sad, and that he has again, as you pointed out before not only no empathy but no sympathy, no respect for somebody who has done so much to, to promote civil rights and suffered physically personally. I think what it's amazing is you know they always say his time means everything. You know here we had the not long ago the death of George Floyd. We have the Black Lives Matter movement and trying to transform police departments and those things that which are embedded in society and tried to root those out that are not giving us an even playing field for all races, all genders all sexes or orientations, we're trying to trying to or that's the hope is to level the playing field. And during this environment, Donald Trump does says he didn't come to my inauguration I don't know who he is. I just find it how petty, how petty of our president to basically discount this, this man who was paramount in the civil rights movement to dismiss him summarily as such. Well he's not there for these topics. He has never been there. He and his father had these issues with New York early on because of of the housing discrimination that they participated in. He has just not been there. I mean, at one level you can think, well he's he is 70 something something years old. And so he is a man of his time he goes back a long way where they thoughts and biases were different there. So, but the problem is that as a man in the country as a citizen American citizen, he never made any progress. As the country has made progress and that he should have participated in or could have or did participate in, but it didn't take hold. I get more evidence that there's no change there's no growth. So since he's been president that that that could have been a woke moment like, Oh, maybe I need to think about this bigger picture. No, he's not going to happen. Yeah. Right. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much Stephanie. Hey Cynthia. Did you find it a little bit. I don't have the dictionary with me but I'm pretty sure I know what the word hypocrite means. Did you think it was a little hypocritical that Donald Trump has been blithering and pontificating that the evils of mail-in ballots will be in the election and deny him a victory if a mail-in system is used throughout the United States and then by miracle. Lo and behold, Florida is an exception to that because they they've done it right in the past and by gosh someone whispered in my ear that Donald, Mr. President. Most of your votes are going to come from seniors who go mail in ballot. So magically now Florida is okay but I'm still going to maintain a lawsuit against Nevada to prevent them from mail-in voting. Your thoughts and impressions please. Well, I think what he's doing is he's trying to set the stage for his ability to be able to contest whatever the election is. And of course if it's in his favor he's not going to do anything but he's setting the stage for that. Now I want you to go back to what state was it that had the worst possible history of this sort of thing was Florida in the Bush campaign and a few other primaries. I had a terrible, terrible record of having good, you know, trustworthy elections. So to hold up Florida just says to me I've got the Secretary of State in the palm of my hand. So we're going to trust Florida because it's all Republican and I can manipulate the numbers. And I've been saying this for a long time we know he's going to cheat. Okay, so exactly how is the question. Now I think one of the reasons he first stood against mail-in ballots was because he had already had a plan in order to cheat with the software that's coming from China. And some of it is coming through a Russian oligarchs company that was Michigan that just found out about that in 2019 and shut it down. So we know that Russia is still trying to get in there. We know that these, these patents were obtained by Ivanka Trump, and they're both. It's the tabulation software is what she got the, the, what you call the patents for. So all of that adds up to sounds to me like that's how he was going to cheat was through the numbers. He's going to manipulate the numbers. Well, he won't be able to because we'll have paper ballots. And so that's why he's against it, at least my own opinion. So beyond the loyal 38 to 42% base that doesn't care what he says they'll just vote for him no matter what. I mean, it does look rather silly that he makes a distinction about the evils of mail-in ballot but you know absentee vote is okay and it's the exact same process and I guess I find humor in many of these things. And maybe that's just me but he makes a distinction between the two and the bottom line is there is no distinction between the two. Right. I think that I would laugh except for it's so scary and tragic. So it's hard to laugh. All right. It's a speed like Oregon or Washington that have been doing mail-in ballots for, you know, a decade or more, or here in Hawaii with no problems at all. Of course, he doesn't pick any of those states. Right. He just picks this one state. I'm surprised he didn't pick Georgia because he's got, you know, that Secretary of State in the palm of his hand. Right. Well, thank you very much for your comments on that. Winston, we only have a few minutes left in the show. I've got to talk about the South Manhattan District, the prosecutor, Cyrus Vance Jr. Who's expanded the scope from hush money. And I think we kind of knew this before but now it's been formalized. The hush money to stormy Daniels and miss Karen McDougal. And how that all happened. He now more or less has shown his cards that it's all about the fraudulent tax returns, most likely fraudulent that inflates his values with the banks and insurance companies, yet underestimates his valuations on his properties to the IRS. Any thoughts about Mr. Vance is kind of announcement at the podium about this. I think that it will be fine after Donald Trump is out of office and he can pursue whatever charges he wants, but as far as affecting election results or his base or anything else this is one more thing that they will say this is politically motivated. Of course he never cheated or lied or even if he did, it's for the better good because we have the stand in office who's advancing our own agendas or whatever rationalizations it takes. I don't think it matters. They don't care. It does not matter. I think that what does matter though is, you know, in the Axios interview where he said, you know, the rationale was we have a new phenomenon called mail in voting and you know, what we've been voting after the absentees to civil war. What's more troubling is when you have Jim Clyburn who's the house majority whip he said that he thinks that Donald Trump has no intention of peacefully transferring power and plans to install himself in some kind of emergency to continue to hold on to office. I don't think that will happen. Hopefully, that we will just realize we've had enough. But the danger is that he activates people in a way that that is really detrimental to our nation. So I think you know Joe Biden Joe Biden said that about a week and a half ago. He just said it. I don't think he's going to leave peacefully. Two questions. Yeah, number one does does the southern Manhattan district get the tax returns. Number two is is any of that information somehow exposed to the public to give us an indication whether or not those tax returns are fraudulent. Well someone will leak them somewhere, and they will be fraudulent you know there's going to be information in there but it's not going to it's not going to change anyone's minds just at this point if you haven't figured it out. You're not going to figure it out. Honestly, from day one from before you ever got into office, you know, if you haven't figured it out by now well maybe I don't know let's keep. Let's keep working with our good friends who are who did support Donald Trump who may still be on the lines for whatever reasons and just help them gently to understand. We need to save ourselves as an issue. Thank you. Thank you Winston real quick we were in a lightning round here. Predictions for the next week coming very quick answer please we're out of time but I want to hear from all of us. All of you about your predictions. Go ahead Winston. More the same. More the same. Okay. Cynthia. So, um, I think he's going to double down on all of his mail in ballot mail in ballots are fraudulent. I think we're going to hear more like Winston said unfortunately, more of a psychopath that's in office. The classic narcissism is going to continue to show. Okay, thank you very much. Stephanie. I just think they're unforced errors that are starting to appear and I think that those may increase and we should be on the lookout for those and hopefully there will even be some errors in his judgment that he's trying to change something so like like the election. But I think more and more desperation is going to peak through his ignorance and make him do things that are unacceptable hopefully, because then that will inform, you know, the populace that it is, it is a limited situation and then. More outrageousness to let us forget what happened the week prior. Alrighty, I want to thank Winston, Cynthia, Stephanie. So I've just been told we have a couple of questions here so if we have time. Let's see what those questions are. What is the role of Ivanka and Jared in the presidency. No role definition means they can do anything. Are they manipulating him like a puppet, or is his son allowing his daughter manipulating the president United States like a puppet of real quick Winston, your answer. They have a complicated relationship, but I think that that she's just been manipulating the whole country along with everybody else in the regime right now. So I don't know about their internal relationship that she could have stopped him earlier. Maybe she has maybe the tell all book could come out in 10 years and say how she stopped it for pressing the button or God does what Jared. Who knows, he's, he's, we'll all find out in 10 years, hopefully five years. The next question is kind of pertains to the Marionette to Annette. This goes to what Ivanka said about try something different or try something new, which was translated into internet refrain, let them eat cake. Does Trump actually believe what what he says and is he just parodying what he's been given. Let's go to Stephanie on that. Thank you. I wanted to say that I believe that is a good example of what's happening, because Marie Antoinette did not understand that cake was different from bread and that if you didn't have bread maybe had cake if you she just didn't understand what cake require like sugar, which was very, very expensive and white bread, the flower was very expensive. And the cake and with sugar and that was really out of line for people whether they were starving today or another. Anyway, I think it's an emblematic of what we're getting with Trump a lot of he thinks a lot of stuff is cake and doesn't understand how it's different. Okay. All right. Winston, Cynthia, Stephanie. Thank you very much for appearing on this week's Trump week. I'm Tim Apichel, your host. Join us next week, Wednesday, 11 o'clock for Trump week. Aloha.