 Back to the circumstances of how you guys end up playing against Villanova University in Bob Shaffer. Yeah, well, one day I decided that we had not much opposition to play against in practice because our team was so good, so I thought maybe we could play scrimmage Villanova and I called Al Severins and he said, yeah, we'd love to scrimmage him because we're going to be playing against a team that has a seven footer and it would be a good experience to play against Will, so that's how we got to them. You told your kids that you were going to play against Nova and what would they have thought? Al Severins didn't tell them we were going to scrimmage him and none of the players knew they were going to scrimmage that morning and we walked in and they saw a seven footer in the name of Will Chamberlain with some young men and they got really excited that they were going to meet somebody who was going to be a wonderful player in the future. So give me an idea of how that game turned out, was it very competitive or how much? It was very competitive, we played six quarters and we didn't keep score except my managers kept score and we did very well against him. I don't want to embarrass Villanova but it was a great scrimmage and they were all excited to meet Will and felt that he was a wonderful person and handled himself beautifully with them and we beat them of course. What were some of the players on that Villanova team if you recall? Well I recall Bob Schaefer and it's hard to remember some of them but they were all excited that they could meet Will and the Overbook team and it's something they would remember for the rest of their lives and they even made some stories in the newspapers about these scrimmage. Was there any talk about them attempting to recruit Will when he got there or was just a scrimmage for the purpose of helping them? It was a scrimmage for the purpose of helping them but Villanova as well as a hundred and other twenty schools, one bit of recruit Will to go to their colleges. What's that about colleges offering you a job at coaching if you were to persuade Will to go to their school? How much truth is there to that? Well there's a lot of truth to that. I was going to go to Kansas with Fog Allen and Fog Allen wanted me to be assistant and Will would come and unfortunately Fog Allen had to retire because he was seventy years old and I decided not to go at that point. I was only going to go because of Fog Allen. The legendary Fog Allen. So the things changed. There's also a lot of talk about colleges offering Will, money, treasures. All of the colleges offered something. I even wrote in my book that I think the outstanding sports players in the colleges should get paid or should get some compensation for playing for them. Either having their parents come to the games free and providing transportation for them or after they practice giving them something to eat they had to pay for their own food at that point. And I didn't think it was fair and I really think that those outstanding athletes should be compensated some way. What's the compensation and support? What do you know about that? Well I can't really talk about it in national news but all of the colleges offered something and Kansas was one of the teams that by their boosters enticed them to come. Okay? It wasn't the best school in the country but it ended up, I met President Reagan in the Rose Garden and was selected as the best school in the country after 15 years of being principal. I think you're struggling with the things you're doing. I think it's terrible. I think they're taking money away from the teachers and the programs and the kids needed and whatever they're doing. What would you do differently? I couldn't do anything differently unless the governor funded the schools and I as part of the organization administration and teachers would get the teachers together and go to the governor and say this is what you got to do. List A, B, C, D, E and help us out or else all these kids are going to go down the drain. Okay. When you answer this continue to look at her, I think she's much more attractive to look at than me. Otherwise I tend to think I'm kind of handsome myself. Well you're both nice looking people. There was a fellow by the name of Warren Wyler who was the coach before me and in fact I played it over Brooke and he was my coach and I was on a team that won 20 straight. He was 15 Jewish kids on the team. We won 20 straight and lost the championship by two points to a fellow who's a dear friend of mine and lives right upstairs for me. I was playing basketball in 1947 and he was in his 50s then. So I would say he's about 110 years old now, wherever he might be.