 Welcome to the 21 convention podcast. I'm Steve Maeda and today we have two of our most requested Podcast interviewees that is Sasha day game and James Marshall. It gets fun It gets excited goes all over the place and of course it gets very very real gonna have to definitely take notes Listen to this one. Don't forget to subscribe Follow us on Facebook YouTube Twitter all that sort of stuff leave a comment down below and we'll get back to you Let's get into this interview and man some awesome stuff on the way What is happening I am here with Sasha day game James Marshall the 21 convention podcast. What's happening gents? This is gonna be the most quiet it's gonna be for the next hour we just I just want to say that Well, I mean we should really just for the first time ever lost for words Here's all just start talking then, you know, let me tell you about my life James over here. He's feeling a little bit intimidated because as usual, I'm dressed up all fancy And he just likes to take it easy and he doesn't really he doesn't really think it matters what you wear as long as you've got it Really, well, I think it matters. I just haven't figured it out yet. Yeah, you know, I'm working. I've been modeling you for quite a while And then incrementally, I think you've slowly been here in there putting on the fashion and getting better. Yeah What stimulated this change in you James I think we've stimulated quite a lot of changes in each other over the last few years Sexually emotionally On all levels, you know, I mean, we're more or less the same brain in two slightly different bodies now So, yeah, you know, we've been talking about this a lot with the different podcasts, but how does that happen? I mean, there's a certain level of influence and connection I mean, we're all working in the seduction dating realm And so there's this hyper level of empathy hyper level of connection hyper level of sexual exchange But and competition and gossip as well. That was yeah, totally. That's like the ante. That's the disconnect Yeah, but in all of that like how is your process happened because both of you guys have been in sync on Many different levels and then maybe disappear for a few months and come back together like how is that kind of ebb and flow, you know Worked for you guys Well But first, let me just say we were joking about the fact obviously if anyone there's like this doesn't make any sense James dresses better than Sasha then you're stupid and you should have realized we're ironic. I already Maybe you need some social dynamics training to get you didn't get that joke You need joke training joke training getting jokes next year 2016 year after neck. I'll be there Yeah, I mean, we just you know We're just sort of we started out as polar kind of opposites of me being like super crazy fucking running around And that's changed somewhat. Yeah, definitely and then and then James was just like really fucking quiet I'll show him what I do. Go ahead. You do your move Okay, there it was and I'll do I'll do it with James's impression of me Person you use like what's Yeah See three years ago James wouldn't have been that animated. No, he wouldn't have done any of that He just would have been like that's not funny. That would have been it Yeah So yeah, we just started off that way and ever since we met for the first time at actually We all met together 2011 London that's right in the bathroom and the catacombs of that Well, you know, there was that that underground hallway. Yeah, yeah, yeah Bumped and then we like me and I was like dudes I'm really depressed my business is going down the drain sessions like I want to get out of London Well, no, but this is something which is is crazy because a turning point for everybody You know what you wanted at that moment what you wanted that moment turned into different things and there was like man What am I going to take a chance on? You know, what am I going to do and that is so important for the roles of you know what you teach and coach and what you teach and coach could only come from that route of like, you know doubt and question within yourself in Taking the chance the the You know the path that didn't always look great, you know And having faith in it and I've even seen you guys process through that, but like what what happened? 2011 to 2014, you know, where'd the adventure take it? Well shit loads happened. We've we've circled the world Multiple times together and separately since then but yeah, that really was a turning point because although probably to the outside world When they're looking at our YouTube videos and stuff. They're like those guys have got it sorted. They figured it out They got chicks and fun awesome. Yeah, maybe the ideal. I mean shit You know, which was to true partially, but it was also true that we were you know struggling and trying to make a living and having our own personal stuff and for me at that time That was that was the darkest time of my of my adult life really You know broken up with the love of my life and business wasn't great And I took a really big gamble going over to that convention when I was living in Australia at the time And it was one of those things we just had to step into the abyss Knowing that it might not pay off. Yeah, then it definitely did same exact thing for me but just different scenarios in London and Was madly in love with this girl like just completely head over heels and like the like the girl for me It was it was crazy and then I meet this guy and we have this great thing And we're just like wow this could be so much fun What we're gonna do and whatever and he's like, yeah, you got to come do this You know, he's got this you're a tour program where he just goes around Europe teaching these courses Yeah, you're gonna come with me. It's gonna be awesome And I'm gonna hustle and I'll bring some clients and we'll do this thing and make money and have a great time and whatever and It came to this ultimate choice because what people don't realize is I was actually living completely illegally In England at the time. I didn't have a visa nothing. I was just there so my choice was do I leave Scotland yard right now But anyway, so the choice was do I stay with this girl Illegally and try and make it work with her or do I pursue my fucking dream of just like traveling the world and yeah Take it to the next level of seduction and basically follow my life Where it was taking me or just do the thing with a girl It was fucking brutal and of course I chose walking the path that I had to and it was fucking excruciating You know, it's it's funny because I remember you saying at that 21 convention you had said You would sit like man. I don't know if this was worth it for me You know because in the the immediate results it was it was a big investment I mean if you look on a map the opposite side of the world, you know It's the opposite hemisphere. You know, so it's the wrong way for Australian We're supposed to go from merry old England to Australia and stay there because it'd be naughty boys Yes Well, let's fuck that's usually what attempted suicide patients do, you know, but No, but yeah, you know, it's interesting because it did work out that was a crazy Like if you just looked at the points on the map of 21 convention speeches, it would be like 2011 then 2012 London and then 2012 Melbourne There's like a huge progression man and and even for yourself too, you know, it's like 2011 London 2011 or 12 London very very big difference. Yep, you know crazy transition and think about the time that transpired in between there of You know, you talk about the hero's journey, right? I hear you guys mentioned it. It was a lot of pumping Yeah, people were busy doing things we were all there in the same apartment sometimes listening to sounds anyway Yeah beating off in the corner Oh, yeah, I remember that there was James had a particularly good performance we won't name the country and we won't name But but yeah, it was just an excellent show and I was screaming and it's some kind of sound of just something hitting the wall And it was so good. I just decided let's make this funny and awkward for James because that's what I do It's gonna my thing awkward. Well, and I just started fucking clapping very loudly Here's the here's the thing, okay is what you guys may not understand is the girl Ever-involved in the seduction scene and you are a coach Okay, and you room with someone else which is inevitable because you're you're always room with people You're going to hear your buddy boning another chick, right? And it you want to talk about awkward when you're the guy sitting outside of the room. That's the awkward master Yeah, well because then you have nothing to do You know because you're like wife in your hand on your shirt, and then you just you try to use But my favorite thing is actually to take my condoms and then leave them in pockets I did that I did that to you When you brought that Russian girl home, and then we put the banana under your pillow No, that wasn't it I went out and I had this basically I went to not like I'm an expert with strippers But I happen to pick up the stripper one time and she was coming over with me And they all knew she was coming over with me And then I and I come upstairs and everyone's sitting around in their underwear around the table And I'll just look over with a coffee. Yeah, my shirt tied up like this and and Gareth Jones was in his leopard print underwear We're just sitting there drinking tea we're like, oh Yeah There was a banana with a con one as well And then we went and we did our thing. Well, I did that because that was the sort of thing that you would do That's exactly what I would do and I wanted to get revenge in advance in advance. Yeah That's the morphine of still looking different on the outside, but James Marshall and always adapting to Sasha prankster stuff Yeah, that's the evolution. He knows sometimes now Sasha's quiet. That's right That this comes back to your very first question. I was sort of trying to lead into so when we met he was depressed and quite quiet And just he was just very good at the you know sexual pressure and intent But he had this real presence to him so when I came up to him at the 21th dimension I was like, hey man, I really liked your speech. It was like crazy And I'm just started yapping and he just kind of went Yeah, and he was he was doing this staring trick on me and then of course throughout the years I just realized that of course, you know, even though I'm a comedian. It's fun for me I can just totally mellow out and come up to girls and just be totally sexual and more just chill down whatever and actually Through through James influence and Johnny Soporno and other people, you know As I came more into kind of loving me and accepting who I am and just being okay with myself You know because part of that comedy was really just me proving hey look how funny and look how great personality I am part of that was you know trying to try to find myself and after a while I just you know in this process of pick up and hanging out with all these really amazing people I just came to a point where you know, I don't have to prove shit to anyone I really think I'm a great person. I love me people love me and and I can I can just as easily be hilarious and funny Be sitting in a corner totally chilled and I'm still the same cool dude And it doesn't matter and that's a huge huge transition in a way people It's sort of funny for me because it's public because you can see me on YouTube going from So just being there making videos chill and chill don't like hey guys, you got to love you You got to just be you know, so it's a really big thing and it's kind of in public, you know I think that's cool. It's an interesting thing because a long time ago I mean I started out in theater and did a lot of that and one thing that I always realized was Theater people were it was just a really tough template to explore yourself But stand-up comedy more so theater you're like film actor one thing, you know, you watch there's like some narcissism there all sort of stuff You're watching yourself on the screen, but in theater. It's constant feedback But in the stand-up comedy it's instant feedback, you know, and it's just a hard thing to like build either way It's gonna affect you, you know But what I hear you saying is that the world in seduction getting out there socializing, you know being sexual with people That's stabilized that, you know, it put it into a realm where it morphed into this other thing And so what would you call like the root of seduction then? Self-acceptance. Yeah, you know, it's almost like you have to seduce yourself first It's like you have to figure out, you know, what do you really want? Who are you? What are you really comfortable? Who are you and what are you comfortable doing? And it really it really took from like me being like 17 years old and doing stand-up comedy Develop, you know getting to a certain point up to around was like, you know Whatever late 20s and then getting in a pick up and then really going much much deeper in the lessons And I think it's really just shows you that it doesn't matter where you are You're always developing. Yeah, but you just have these points where you just go oh, I'm a different person now Or this has changed or this has changed. I think it can be I can have a dark and a light side because we've certainly seen plenty of guys Who got into seduction and us and our coaches still today who it's really reinforced masks and Actually made them lose their soul essentially because even if they become effective at kind of hustling drunk girls into bed or You know having some basic level of yeah results They've they've totally lost their personality and it's it's just buried under this pick up Yeah, I had a guy come up to me today. Well, not today yesterday yesterday last night In in tears like he was trying to tell me something He was you know, he's on the verge of tears and there were a couple of tears and he was just saying hey Man, I used to do all this really weird Routine-based indirect shit and and I and I would get late and I'd feel fucking horrible because I wasn't being me And then I saw your video of you just running around being a dick And just doing your thing and he said and I just I'd you know Just completely, you know, he just he was crying telling me this that he just changed his life And he just realized he could just go and be himself and just not fucking do all that shit They didn't like and it's like That was really powerful, and I've never had a fucking crying before so it was kind of cool We sing plenty of tears. You've seen me cry. Yeah, sure sure I was jealous once because at the first directing summit somebody came up to Alan Roger Curry and said to him that he was their father figure and the guys Father had actually been killed by You know because he had an affair and some dude literally he had an affair with some dude's wife And somebody came and fucking killed the guy's father No seriously and then he and then he never had a dad and Alan and Alan had been this guy's father figure for years And he like broke and he told a story and I was like, holy fuck. This is crazy That was what's I kind of forget any crying guys coming up to me. So finally had some at some point You'll probably be sick of it. He was like, okay. We have that on well There's always there's always a couple on euro to a breakdown because they realize that they've been living a lie essentially Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's something to be wary of in any kind of personal development pursuit because you see that in like Kind of hippie circles or sure spiritual circles where there's spiritual narcissism that happens where I'm so spiritual or you know in in worlds of Personal development where it's like I'm positive I'm positive positive or I'm always effective And these kinds of things where people layer on top of themselves the modality in the method And then and then lose sight of what the point of the method is which is always to come back to Understanding yourself and developing yourself from a you know a deep core internal place And then when if seduction is done well or personal development has done well Then yeah, it's gonna be raw. It's gonna be heavy because you're gonna have to face your demons before you You know you step into the light That's the thing and that's that's what I think sucks about the the way most people get into this Which is like reading the game or something like that. There's no depth. There's no deep It's just like here's a bunch of great There's just no real depth and and I think real coaching and real You know it really comes down to dealing with deep internal fucking shit and getting through it and becoming a better person And when you really again accept yourself and you're like, okay I've dealt with that it's cool And you move on then only can you really go out there and have amazing experiences with other people But if you if you don't accept yourself and you're hiding this shit and you feel guilt and shame You know, you just can't really progress. So I think that's man. I hate to say we got to take a quick break We will be right back and finishing this discussion All right, cool, and we're back. We are back with Sasha day game James Marshall and we were you know We're getting into some some good discussion and you were saying coaching You know when you read the game when you when you're basically going off just the marketing alone of the industry You know, it's if you do this it's gonna get fixed But you're actually saying with coaching with your experience in fact with all of our experiences that it's so dependent upon something else Here's what fucking stinks about this goddamn industry too many people. I'm not gonna name specific people, but There's too much Marketing hype and very little results and that's what really pisses me off So you'll go and see the some ad words like yeah, we're gonna teach you how to have sex with girls Without ever facing any rejection that doesn't exist or even leaving the house. That's called using hookers All right, hookers then you can have sex without rejection with any other situation. There's gonna be some rejection Believe me you can have a reaction with hookers. Well, yeah, there's I heard one story, but I want to go I could actually go about story doing China, but the point is just I didn't I make Now Steve me as fucking wants to get in his hooker But anyway, my point is simply that You know Most people most just they just don't fucking realize that they have to go deep to get real personal change It's in the seduction They just think I'm just gonna say some fancy lines and I'm gonna fucking dress cool And I'm gonna slash a little cash And yeah, you're gonna end up with some fucking shitty girl who wants to want you to buy her fucking Mercedes And that's you know, I'm saying but but to really get some hot even have that, you know It's just like not even get a goldier. That's the Maybe we should maybe we should because we've had this kind of discussion Yeah, we're like some guys are bad and they teach it But maybe what would be useful for the guys is to talk about well if you are looking for mentorship in Subduction realm what to look for. Yeah, what should you be looking for now? Because of course like if you're a guy who's coming into this you don't know and you just look and there's like a flashy addon It's like Then you're like, oh that I guess that's it. Yeah Let me bring this up this I was thinking about this We'll think about you because you've never done that route, but you've always done infield video And so what do you think about some of the stuff going on now because infield video is very popular? And I think I mean it's my opinion But I think a lot of times it may send the wrong message You've never done that like you've never you've always been like this is what it is It's what I'm gonna do is what I'm gonna show you and You know because that can be deceiving because what I'd say or the the age old things like well look at the person Look at their life, you know look at the results. Would you want to be like them? Even that can be tough now nowadays because people can edit their videos very yeah Yeah, I could look like or it's like what are they getting? You know, I was watching one and there's this guy and they're like this guy can fuck anything and he's like, you know boning all these chicks I know from sexuality. That's great. You know, you should get that result every man I think can have that but it's like if you're just showing that and then like I Don't know. I think one of our speakers. I was at Socrates, but yeah, it was socrates who was saying that how you get to a certain goal or result the path you take is extremely important And I think he's really right about that really resonated with me You know, I'm sure there's I'm sure to some degree some of the manipulation and bullshit that you can do to fucking quit get girls and bang him I'm sure that works, but you're becoming a manipulator and a fucking liar You know But if you take the harder route and actually deal with your shit and actually become a person you can respect yourself and women can Respect you're just gonna have a great life because not just in seduction just in general people be like that's a fucking I would have a business with you know or I would deal with and that and that's you know That's really important. I think that's something that's that's overlooked the path you take really makes a big difference It does and that's why I don't edit anything and I'm just like this is what I'm doing There it is. Yeah, and I think well any effective path needs to have a large element of vulnerability as well So because the nature of this and the reason why the marketing of like no zero rejection sells so well Is because guys don't want to be vulnerable because they don't they don't want to have those moments where they're suddenly there He goes strip bear or the or they're being judged or you know, they're in they're in self-doubt But that's I know for myself even though those things are difficult. Those are the points where I really grew Yeah, it's actually stepping into the fear and having it overwhelming and being humiliated or being rejected or you know Feeling like a fool or not knowing what to do When I look back over my seduction history of like the moments when I really like had breakthroughs or the all the Girls that really changed me. It was the ones where it was a train wreck with or where the girl called me out on some bullshit And I just had to go. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I'm full of shit right now or you know I feel humiliated or I just don't know what to do because then you start digging for the internal resources And they're looking for the mentorship around you to help you step through that. Yeah, you know like yeah When was the last really big time that something like that? It it happened for you because those things are always happening. Yeah life You know and I think a lot of people assume that that just stops I actually remember the last time that happened that happened when we were in Vegas. When was that Vegas? Yeah, it was just we're in Vegas. That was it. I was just like yeah, I was Yeah, okay, we're in Vegas a couple years ago. Yeah, we went to a strip club Which I don't like going to after we'd finished the DDS. Oh, okay. Yeah, and this uh this girl came up To me and I was like chicks approaching. Oh, yeah, it's a strip club. That's what they do And this chick came up to me and she was tall and blonde and she said hello and she's and I said, oh, where are you from? She said I'm from Finland and And I said, oh, you're pretty tall for a Finnish girl because I had slept with one Finnish girl in my life And she just happened to be short So in my mind, I was like just in that moment. I was like, yeah I don't know what people in Finland like and so I just went see and she said if you'd been to Finland You would have been it would be very clear that we're actually very tall people You're full of shit and then she just turned and walked off and I went Yeah, that like that was quite a couple years ago And it was just that one of those moments where I just suddenly went yeah I'm gonna be an asshole and and she was great. She went pin me and went nope and then I was like, maybe I Okay, whatever I even think of that to this day That's one of those moments I'm like, and I kind of imagine what it's like to be a guy who has to do that every time you go approach your girl Yeah, I got some bullshit if you're a stripper and you're every time you're approaching again. I thought you were gonna say completely something else where Yeah, there was just there was this one stripper that you really had a great thing with and she was really new whatever and then for Some reason you ended up giving her your number and you're like, he's gonna call and then she didn't call That's stupid. Yeah, it was also the same night where we went there Basically, we were doing one of my summits and we all went to a strip club for fun So it was also the same night where I walked in the strip club and right behind me was Ryan who only dates black girls And I came up to this really hot black girl and I was like, hey, what's going on? And I'm talking to her for a minute. It's going well and he walks up to me Sean He goes, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm talking to this girl. He's like, yeah, but she's black I'm like, you can't have all the black ones. Yeah, all the black ones are mine I'm like, well, I said I said hi to her first. He's like, yeah, but she's the only black one in here And I'm like, all right, that's true. Anyway, so yeah, she'd walked off go. Yeah, and he just ruined it. Anyway I can't believe this is outrageous. Yeah, he only goes for black chicks One black, I mean maybe you know one or two, but what is it enough to make him happy you good keep away all right? Yeah, yeah, it's even yeah, it's I know that's what I love about a good woman Is that she will call you out in that kind of bullshit and that's why that's why I run of the reasons I think seduction is such a can be such an accelerated catalyst for personal change because when you're going up and presenting yourself and With an agenda, of course, you have an agenda, which is I want to have sex with you or want to get to know you A woman who is in any way self-aware will call you out on it We'll we'll reflect back to you what you're giving to her and a lot of guys don't take that feedback that if she's like You're full of shit like that girl. It would be easy for me to go fucking fucking less in stupid bitch I know what finish chicks look because that one moment, you know that affected you I'm sure like rejection happens all the time But there's always that one that just it's like boom and then it makes you see you're like fuck dude Why did I do it again or whatever? I think it's important to know the difference between some genuine feedback and some chick who's just fucked up and it's just being Sure sure but that girl was just being straight with me. Yeah, and I appreciate it But talking about funny stories Here's another good one Sasha. What's a funny story? I'd like to make fun again some more if I could that'd be good Yeah, come on. It's fine. So this is really funny. So we're talking about yeah, so Directing summit Berlin. This was quite good. This is the funniest moment in all of Public seminar and have any recorded history of anything in any industry James is on stage one day. He's just doing this thing doing this or anything. He was telling the story About how how you can't always be super direct with girls and he's got his girlfriend with him And he's like he's like well, I remember you know when I met this girl here, you know I just met her on the street corner if I had come up to her and said hey, you're fucking sexy I'd like to fucking bend you, you know, she never you know, it wouldn't have worked with it And she's like no that wouldn't work. Yes, so in that situation definitely just after not you can't be doing that stuff all the time And then she just turns the onions and goes yeah And I was 17 at the time and then everybody like burst into laughter and then he James just goes oh We didn't have sex till she was 18 and she just goes And then everybody just fucking pissed themselves because basically she outed him as a man who will hit on younger chicks Which he is and then I said and then I said In any other industry that would have been the end of my career Right now you guys think it pretty cool. All right, carry on now the thing about seduction They just went on from there, but there was about a two-minute laughing break I don't know man. I That's the worst that you That's the worst he's allowed And he did kung fu for a long time so I'm gonna let go detached his testicle right now with a little buzzer In other news I've convinced James to come to India with me James has a really bad history with India I don't know if you want to let's just say well when I was yes when I was 18 I went to India and got involved with very charming jewelry mafia who kidnapped me Held me to ransom and I didn't even know about it. That's how good they were. I was held to ransom without my knowledge I was having a great time. They were taking me to parties and really so then they were telling like your family or whatever They call my father's so we have your son and we will get him please send us fifty thousand dollars No, I mean while I'm there like on smoking like OPM and like I was like waiting for this dramatic story of like I was tied up. I was having a great time I Didn't realize it all but then at some point I did realize When yeah, and then they fucked him over even more they got me on every single angle Anyway, it was a very traumatic experience when I got home I decided I will never go to India again because that wasn't very fun All right, and I hear that he like Sasha's like we're gonna go to her India I'm like that sounds like a really bad idea. No, it's gonna be great We're gonna like take big groups of like dudes and like run down the streets and like get them to approach girls Sounds like a really bad idea. I'm definitely not gonna do that Well, here's the thing I as it happens I have a I don't know why but I have a huge fan base in India They're email me there. They're there can't get laid. They're so repressed. I like please come to India and finally I'm like I'm gonna go I'm not gonna do boot camps in every city But I'll do some talks and help as much as I can and I'll do one for guys who want to come and then James is of Course realizing this is gonna be really fucking hilarious and they're gonna be filming the whole thing and finally yesterday I broke him down as I all right. I'll come up for a week. So they're coming in here Yes, you're going on like a massive tour. So you're going to like four or five cities five cities Yeah, but it's it's gonna be great for me because a part of my journey We didn't really talk about yet, but can't squeeze it all into one podcast, but but I've been getting us about your journey All right, sure. So So I've been going really down the spiritual path So I've been reading like like changing books like conversations with God and other stuff And I got both it's funny because I've always been really against religion because I see is brainwashing I think if you're if you're my view has always been if you're under 18 years old and you definitely You know have a religion James Marshall and you've been on James Marshall That means you like men from Australia who do funny dances and fart secretly. No Different joke that people don't know but anyway, the point is What was the point was I say So basically I always hated religion and my view was always like if you're a kid if you have a child and they And you've told you've told them what religion to have and they're like, yeah, I'm definitely this religion That's brainwashing you shouldn't be doing that because they didn't make that choice I think every child should literally given all the options of all the religions and said hey Here's all the religions that exist including atheism and everything else and whichever one of these you want to follow You can't or none Until they're 18 and if you try and influence that child otherwise you should go to jail because you're brainwashing your kid That's always been my view and I was I was so that it's for the better It's for the good of man And I was always really against all that shit and then finally eventually I got on the spiritual Which is just like the you know just that we're all part of this greater energy and it's all beautiful And I've just been going down this path and I've had completely ridiculous crazy stories and experiences happening to me that are so so Like so crazy if you're not already tapped into this you think I was insane And I actually went and started a spiritual blog which I guess I can plug Zool Awakens comm because it's just it's just it's more It's more than most people will be able to fucking get into But but yeah, it's been beautiful and I've realized of course that we're all one and you know There's no death and you know and I've done some crazy shit with this guy. I'm saying he died actually Yeah, we we I mean it went so far. We've had some credit. We went and did a ayahuasca. We did like Ten days four ceremonies over ten days. I think it was in Peru and it's just it's a spiritual plant medicine If people don't know about it But it's fucking horrific and brutal and just beautiful all at one all in one And so I've just been going down that path And I think everyone at some point is gonna go further because what I think and again I think I think seduction really leads to it because again seduction forces you to deal with the basic stuff Who am I my sexual attention what I can do who I am as a man all that stuff is awesome And it'll help you you know hook up with chicks and get better with people But what's next and and there's always a next level of development I'm sure you know that because you know you've been fucking doing this for a really long time as well And so it's James so and I so I think naturally this will lead to spiritual stuff at some point And I really believe that everybody out there at some point is gonna start to think Why am I on this planet? What happens after we you know all this stuff comes up at some point? I think it's good. I think it's good There's there's tantric sex which literally when you're when you're in that peak with somebody and you're you're prolonging that orgasm Or literally you can become one with them and and be kind of yeah I want you to do this for us Sasha. We're I don't think that would be appropriate to do any We're out of time, but could you tell us about? Oh, yeah guys We're gonna do a quick break and we just want to thank our sponsor Chlamydia, so we'll be right back All right We are back Sasha day game James Marshall and maybe we got into some cool stuff You know you guys were talking about ayahuasca. I think that if we do not talk about that We will get a shitload of YouTube comments and emails and stuff, but yeah, I mean what happened what happened for you guys well I've been I've been doing it I did we did a 10 days in the jungle in Peru and your first time doing it was with Sasha Yeah, yeah, it was and then I also went did another month last year So I did a much more extended period for me. It's been completely life-changing and absolutely fucking awesome It's it's not something that I would recommend to beginners of spiritual pursuits It's not something I would think you should ever do recreationally or that you should do without Very deep research of the person that's that's doing it What prompted you to do it? I mean everybody's curious about it. I get it, but would you say that it's a necessity? No, I don't think it's a necessity But for me, I mean I've been meditating I've been doing a lot of different types of yes spirituals pursuit since I was you know 17 years old and I I guess I reached a point where I kind of stagnated in in my spirituality So I'd gotten just more into a hedonistic lifestyle and all and like probably too much into business and just into And I felt like I needed a reset and recheck on that because of our networks We know a lot of weird people right now all around the world of every type of weirdness from aristocracy to You know we had shamans to bondage masters to whatever And so you know we have access to these kind of people that recommended the right people to go to so for me it really was Like kind of any an exam of that tested me on all the things that I'd ever learned meditation and mantra and posture and All of this kind of stuff and for me It was a thing that really resolved the very heavy-duty breakup that I had with my ex-wife it was a thing that really allowed me to let go any Anger and sadness and actually just to step through that which was an amazing process and then and also to be able to Be fearless and to be in a state of really amazing flow for the last like year and a half Before I get into you Sasha. Yeah, I think what's interesting a lot of people I know who do like a heavy hallucinogenic like ayahuasca or iboga which are very very different They don't carry it with them and I think that's an important thing what I hear from you You know because we've talked about it too is and actually what I can see from you, but and we'll get into it, but like the That's like a point of change. It's a turn of the corner, but you've got to walk Yes, you know and so I think that you what adaptations have you made to your life since you know having some of those breakthroughs It's been about Moving through life with joy That's that's been that was the big message that came out of because you know for me my My core value was never happiness That was never something that I was actually like striving for my core value was always mastery Yeah, which was which was simply to Become the become a master of a function I didn't really care whether or not I was happy because to me that seemed like a kind of an earthly desire and a transitory thing and it wasn't really relevant, but I Think the really big thing that I came out of that was that Joy in everyday living is vital because Yes, I am still on paths paths of mastery that still is really important to me But at the same time every every one of these moments that I have is really fucking precious and as you get older You start to yeah more understanding of your mortality and so that was a big thing And so going through because my life has become much much busier I used to be a musician bum and now I'm running a very very complicated international business and I'm responsible for the growth of hundreds of guys that come to me and that's a that's like a heavy responsibility But the last year I've been twice as busy as I ever was five times busier and but it's had a much more joyful flow to I don't Feel stressed out about it I just go day by day and I'm like all right here I am on this workshop or here. I am with this lover or here I am you know sitting on a mountain playing music or whatever it is and that's that's been really important Cool, and then Sasha, you know, I shut my pants. Well, who did you not shit your pants? I didn't shit my pants. Okay. I did watch him do that yes, and Yeah, I watched him curl up in a ball puking on himself shitting on himself all night and then he got up and just howled in this Inhuman scream for half an hour the most terrifying thing I've ever seen or heard a human being do and our next day I was like what the fuck was that? He's like what? When you were howling like a fucking banshee and thrashing yourself around and smashing your head on the ground It's like I wasn't doing that. It's like yes, he doesn't remember Yeah, I had a really tough trial for those I felt some of the joy in a different one We did but for the four ones we did over ten days. I just went through absolute hell There's no there's no way to explain it other than being in absolute torment and suffering and just fucking just the brutality of it And getting to a point where I was like, okay, death would be great Like just being like yep bring death on because that would just be awesome for this day And I think there are lessons in that but different lessons But so so for me it was really a Really a real trial, but I learned later that it's actually a shamanic sort of initiation that you go through sometimes It's like an ego death and it's it really is there's a point to it But it takes a long time to actually come to grips with it and sort of piece it together I think but I would I would warn everybody who wants to get into that stuff Just yeah, I would think that like what's important because I know a lot of people who've done it who haven't gone on to change I mean that will say it was the most amazing thing and I Killed my ego and then their life goes back to normal, you know And so I think that what's interesting is that you know scene and both of you guys actually here You talk about it is that afterwards was like it set you on a path and the real discipline was being on that Because that's the same as when a guy comes into a boot camp It's like yeah Especially if it's a long-term boot camp or a very intense one or a lot of personal attention In a way they just get grabbed by the collar and lifted up to heights Because they have the support of the coaches and they're they're in that environment and they're out doing stuff Because they're being kicked in the arse to do it and suddenly they're meeting all these girls and doing all this amazing stuff And maybe they suddenly get laid or you know all this incredible stuff happens Then two weeks after the course so have you been talking to check right? Yeah Yeah, okay, so it's yeah I mean you come to a mentor for inspiration and for and for tutelage and that will definitely help you cut Many years off your look off the trial and error path But but at the end of the day when you step out from the from the master or from the tutor then you have to just take those daily steps and That's the same with it with these kind of spiritual experiences You can go to a person who is resonating an incredibly high spiritual level and they can touch you on the forehead or give you a hug or something and give you a Transmission where you suddenly just feel like fuck yeah, don't make sense or whatever else it is But really that's just a taste of them of what they get to experience and that won't stay with you And so a lot of people just bounce around from guru to guru looking for that hit And that's why people you'll see sometimes in these in these kind of conferences guys come year after year after year And you're like well, that's not good that you're coming back here right unless it is because you're wanting to hit the next level I remember this is uh This was a funny moment But I was at a convention and Eric hypnotica said like why the hell are you guys still here like this like the fourth Time I've seen you. What do what do you move in man? He just anybody put it a really good way But hey that being said what's happening for you guys you guys are doing a movie you You know what's what's coming up in the future for you? Like what's happening there? Yeah, we at some point we just had any crazy adventures that you know for us are becoming normal again That are already kind of being docked. Yeah, we already go around And then at some point we're like well This would be a great thing just to just to have a fun and have a movie out there showing people the crazy shit We get up to a little bit of promotion But little with a crazy fun times and so we did it We just had my video guy does he just follow us around for you know for one of the courses and And yeah, we had some inspirational moments. We had some some peeps some emotion And I think it'll be I think it'd be really fun for people to watch and just actually get a real look into what we're really fucking doing That's kind of cool. He's just following you around kind of like a We did a whole workshop and with a bunch of guys who agreed to be on camera and then we filmed everything absolutely everything that happens over a 10-day that's that's a great style of filmmaking cinema veriti John John Cassavetes most American both of you guys not American So that that's coming out when I think it'll be ready in Yeah, like early next year. I think awesome. It'll be ready. Wow coming to a YouTube channel near you That's right. Maybe just maybe an actual movie For me next year is gonna be my biggest coaching year ever I've really yes Yeah, that's what it's gonna be and it's probably gonna be the last big coaching year. Yeah at that intensity So I I mean both of us are pretty strict about how many guys we teach we don't teach massive groups Sure. Yeah, I'm never teaching more than two on one So next year I'm teaching 65 guys and that's that's all but that's gonna be over a bunch of very big and intense It's actually a lot with your you know with the amount of guys you take on right So I'm gonna be based in Europe and I'm gonna be yeah running workshops when I get back to Australia soon I'm not doing nothing. So please don't contact me for the next three months. I just will ignore you But from March next year I'm gonna be hitting the ground running hard and doing workshops all through Europe over summer And then also coming back to the States in October and and running a couple there And also putting out my book as well for next year, which is something it's been sitting there like 90% done for last four years And I'd be like running around the world. I should get back to that but right now. I've got to go to Morocco I've been working on my book since 2008 goddammit. Yeah But yeah similar similar for me really just Yeah, it'll be a busy year doing coaching But I'm I just want to move away from it I've got my coaches in place and I want I think I can help more people because I learned from my videos that like I can Help so many people buy videos that are free So now it's like well I can make some products and help more people in more in-depth and make money at it So why wouldn't I do that so some so same thing getting my book out got a couple of products lined up and And yeah, just gonna continue on my spiritual path and help as many people as I can and that's it cool Man awesome stuff. We're pretty much out of time. Yeah, I will say this you too as soon as We were saying that we were gonna do podcasts and stuff like this Sasha James Marshall Sasha James Marshall So we got it, but we'll have to come back most definitely and and do this sort of thing. All right. 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