 This stuff is we try to make it easy but it's not easy and so there are other people who are solving similar problems like all the talks if you look at all the things it's often you know they had a problem they solved it and they want to share it with everybody right and so it's a great way to meet your peers to find out how you're solving problems and that's kind of our job is to solve problems right and what gets it gets me excited is when someone says something is impossible and so everyone has their kind of specialties or skills for everyone to call it but I really like to geek out on moving something from impossible to possible, at least possible to automate.