 to the cloud, and I'm going to share my... I don't see everybody, but I'm hearing some of the things. Does that matter? Am I doing... You should be able to see... Now I'm seeing... I see you, Nate, now, in the Amherst, Massachusetts post that you just put up. Sure. I think it might happen. Is that what everyone else is seeing? Yeah, but I'm seeing Greedom, I'm seeing you, Karin, and Peggy. If you can, you can change your view to Greed or to be able to see everyone at once. Well, I don't know how to do that, and I'm afraid to touch anything because I... Oh, Murray, Murray, how do I change it to Greed? Well, you know what, it's all right. I will... Murray, more. I swear, just for everyone that's here, so, you know, we, the town, we host these as webinars, not meetings. So the Local Historic District Commission is our panelists, and they can see each other and speak freely, and then everyone else is in attendee, and as the project is being reviewed, I'm Nate Malloy's staff to the commission. I'll promote you to a panelist, and then you can share your screen or, you know, talk with the commission. Okay. And it's also being broadcast or saved to the Zoom cloud, and then the town posts it on its YouTube channel in the future so that it's available online as well. So if, you know, someone has a question, you can click raise, you can cover over your name and click raise your hand, and as we go down the list of projects, we'll just ask that you raise your hand so we can promote you to a panelist. Okay. No, I think you, Nate. So I'm going to, my name is Jennifer Taub. I chair the commission. I'm going to officially call the meeting or webinar to order, and I guess by convenience, I will, the commissioners for, want to introduce ourselves to the applicants. We have Bruce Coldham is in attendance, a commissioner, and he is the architect representative to the commission. We have Peggy Schwartz, Karen Winter, and Greta Wilcox. And in addition to myself, we are all resident members of the local historic district commission. So what we will do today is we will go in order of the agenda and call each applicant to introduce themselves and provide an overview of their application. And then it will be open to the public portion of the meeting for each applicant. I don't think we have any butters or members of the public here, but if we do, that would be a chance for them to ask questions as well as the commissioners will also ask questions if we have any questions. And then we will move, we will close the meeting and discuss the application amongst ourselves while the applicant is present. We may have some additional questions during that portion of the meeting and then we will act on the application and we'll do that for each one. So I guess, Nate, we're gonna begin with, is it 30 Fearing Street? 30 Fearing, yes. Martha, I'm gonna promote you to panelists. All right, so the owner is present and I can share the, I'll share my screen throughout the hearing, so both the commission and the public can see. Okay, that's great. Thank you. Okay, so I'm Martha Jamison. I'm here with my husband, David Andrews and our contractor, Stephen Pistridge. We will be happy to answer any questions you have about this project. You're looking at the back of our home at 30 Fearing Street and you'll notice that there is this sort of odd one-story plus little extra wall hanging off the back which is the current somewhat decrepit one-car garage. We'd like to remove that from the building and in place of it, that back wall will just continue straight down from the second story. We plan to cover it with a stucco-like paneling. I did send a picture of that. Hopefully you'll see that it is remarkably similar in texture and it gets painted so you can actually color. And that back wall we provide, it will be the back of the kitchen. So there will be windows pretty much all the way across and they door out into the backyard but the remainder will be the stucco. The idea is really to bring the backyard into the house because for those of you who have ever wandered by, there is a spectacular tulip tree in our backyard and we want to see it. So just quickly, I don't want to interrupt too much, Martha. I just want to say that here's a map of the house. Here's Fearing Street and so what we're looking at is removal of this garage in the back and then as Martha was explaining, windows and a door on the back of the house but it's not visible from the street. So really what's visible for the commission's review is the garage you can see at a, if you're at a slight angle, you can see the back corner of the garage here but the work to the house is really not visible. It's just the removal of the garage is what's under the commission's review. Right, okay. Just to clarify that, just so we're not, I don't think any other work is visible from the street. Just so you see, I mean, they're replacing it with double-hung windows in the back. Other windows are six over six is similar to all the other windows in the ground floor of the house. Okay. Okay. All right. I'll go back to the images. I think they're easier to see. So you're not adding any square footage? No, we're not. Okay. Okay. Do, yeah, Bruce, you have a question? I have a couple. Okay. This may be a procedural one first. I notice that this application, as well as at least one other, is asking for a certificate of non-applicability. And as I read or understand the rules and regulations, that would be a determination made by the building inspector. So does this mean that they're not actually asking for a certificate of non-applicability, that the building inspector has not granted the certificate of non-applicability and we are now asking, being asked for a certificate of appropriateness. Is that what we're being asked to do here? Right. I mean, I think sometimes an applicant will check off non-applicability when really it's a certificate of appropriateness. So what the applicant is really asking for, and it can be the commission's determination that it's a certificate of appropriateness to remove the garage. Okay. And just so that we can put this to bed for all the other applications that we've got today. That's true of all applications that are here before us today. Correct. Okay, thanks. So this is my question, I guess. It was a little hard for me, and therefore I would have thought very hard for the rest of you to understand how this diagrammatic plan was being, that was presented to us. There are two. There's a framing plan of elevations, which I think has no bearing on us at all. And the other plan hand drawn hard to tell what the orientation was. There's no site plan. And there's mention of a double garage, but I guess we're not being asked to judge or determine as far as the double garage is concerned. That's a statement of future intent. So I guess the two questions are, can the rest of you understand what the meaning of this hand sketched plan is? Yeah, I can... And what relevance does it have for us here? So I think, you know, some of it was to, right, when it was first proposed, so let me just share the new share, it shouldn't be, right, these building sketches you're talking about, Bruce? Yes, it's a close up detailed plan of sinks and all of a sudden, I don't know which way is up, I don't know what the relationship of that to the site or to the existing building or to the existing garage, there's no connective way of understanding what this means. Right, so this, my understanding is this, if you can see my mouse, you know, looking up to the top of the page, you're looking to the rear of the property. Okay. This wall right here is that where the garage is abutting the house now. Yeah. So that's the back of the property, we don't see that and therefore it's not our purview, is that correct? That's right, that's what, yeah, because of the depth of the property and there's no streets around it, close up, the only thing that's really visible is, you know, the driveway is just the garage now. So all this work here with new windows and doors is not visible, yeah. So, but the, what is to the left there, there, that is new because... No, no, it is not. Okay. That's the existing structure. But there's a garage door there. No, it's... Let me just make sure I've got the right idea. The pictures, I don't know, Nate, do you have all the pictures that has the picture of the garage doors? It's the garage door faces east, correct? Correct. That is correct, thank you. Yeah, that's what I've got. It shows me an east-facing garage door. Right. And I assume that that's not stained. Correct, that is part of what we're asking to remove. Okay, so the drawing that we would most usefully apply to us would be an elevation of the new version of that elevation, and I don't see that or if there is, Nate, can you show us what that looks like? I think what's happening is, if I go back to, if everyone can see this picture, the rear garage right here will be removed and nothing is going back in its place. So it'll just be open. And then on the rear of the house, so underneath the door windows, will be the new windows and door to the outside from the kitchen. And so... Oh, I see, completely removed. Demolition and not a rebuild. Right, right, not a rebuild. And the confusion for me was that plan. You see, I didn't understand, if we had seen the whole house in that plan, it would have been easier. And I wanted to make sure everybody understood what was being shown here. It seems now that I do and maybe others do as well. All right, Martha, it's only the removal of the garage in the new garage. It will be a later application if it comes forward. That is correct. We have not decided on a plan for a new garage at this time. So we are not applying for any garages right now. Okay, I have no further questions. Thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other questions? No, not for me. I don't want to be labor, but Bruce, I'm just curious that little part of the wall in the back of the garage that goes up, was that for design or was that for some other purpose when they built the house, do you think? It's peculiar, isn't it? Maybe they wanted to hit the tennis ball against it and then they put a window in it and that put a page to that. I mean, that's about the best I can imagine. Yeah, no other, okay. But it's... Okay, so if, and there's no members of the butters present, Nate? We can ask if there's anyone attending who would like to raise their hand to speak. I will say that the Historical Commission also reviewed this for demolition delay. And they found that the house in the garage there are one structure and found it significant, but that is the demolition would not be detrimental so they allowed the demolition. So there's two parallel permitting tracks that this project's going through. And there wasn't much we could find out about the garage. It's maybe built at the same time as the house or it could have been a little bit later of an addition but to match the style. Yeah. Yeah. I will say, Jennifer, more on your question, it really is peculiar. I had a jocular answer, but it is peculiar in my view. And, you know, it's awkward because you've got a parapet that goes up and when you have parapets or walls that go up through or past roofs, you've got all sorts of flashing problems. I would have thought it was a really strange thing to do. So it's a good question. Part of the reason it's in such a disrepair is that they did have exactly those problems. Yes. Absolutely. Well, it may not be my place to say that, but I think it'll be really lovely when you have to come to the kitchen like that. I agree. I think, yes, a very good idea. And if we're ready, I could move to close the public portion of the hearing. I think if there's no, Nate, there's no other questions from the butters, right? Not with any hands raised. Go ahead, Bruce. I just did. Okay. Second? I second. I'll second. Hi. Hi. Okay. So now we will move into the non-public part of the meeting. If we don't have any concerns, I guess we could move to approve the application. I agree. I agree. Okay. Oh, sorry. I've got two computers open here and I'm trying to have... So I guess what I've done in the past is make the motions and I've usually worked off a... Of the bylaw. Yes, let's... And I'll say that for this motion, once there's a second and when it comes to a vote, we'll have to do a roll call vote just because we're on Zoom. So everyone will just have to call out members and I can record it. Okay. Does someone have to call the vote? Well, I'm just looking for the... Here we go. I move for granting of a certificate of appropriateness for the property at 30 Fearing Street for the removal of the garage. Finding that the proposed demolition meets the review criteria found in 8.1 and 8.2 of the Amherst local historic district bylaw and that the work will be in harmony with the existing surrounding properties and will not have a negative impact on the local historic district. Second. I second. Karen, thank you. Karen seconds. So instead of saying all in favor, I'll go through the members for each of you to vote. So Peggy Schwartz, or do people have to say their own name? No, you can call the name. Okay. Peggy Schwartz, how do you vote? Yes, I vote in favor of the alteration. Thank you. Karen Winter. I vote in favor. Greta Wilcox. I vote in favor. And Bruce Coldham. In favor. And Jennifer Tau, by and favor too. So it passes unanimously and the commission issues the certificate of appropriateness to the property owner at 30 Fearing. Great. Well, thanks, Martha and everyone. I'll give any other questions or yes, not. Might have lost them. Yeah. We got the certificate. We got it here. All right. And then I'll, so I think we're, that one's all set. I'm going to, it's the next one we have. Nate, you have a raised hand just letting you know. Oh, all right. Thanks. Sorry, I'm pulling up diamonds. I'm mistaken. Nate, are you, do you know that I'm here too? Or apparently I can't seem to connect with you. No, is it, Jim, let me promote you to panelists. I've been here right along, but I haven't been able to. Oh, oh, I'm sorry, Jim. Dilemma. Okay. You just. Technical difficulty. Okay. I see that you're really, I don't see. All right. Jim, we had, I hadn't seen you raise your hand before. I did, I did that several times. I've gone in and have the program, but I won't delay it anymore. Just, just know that I've been here. I've been able to listen. I haven't been able to speak. Well, we can hear you speaking now. Yeah. Unfortunately it has my wife's name up there because she uses this program too. Oh, that's Margaret. Okay. Well, you're here, so you should be voting, you know, you should. Well, I'm here. Yeah, I can vote. Yeah. Okay. Everything. I went and saw the garage and it's. I think you haven't pushed the start video button, Jim. Stop video? Stop. Start video down in the bottom right-hand corner is my guess. You might have a red line through it. Because I see this big M and it's, that was there you go. Okay. The choices are Microsoft life cam from. No, no, you're on now. We're seeing you. Oh, you are. Okay. All right. Good. Okay. So Nate, do we now add the Jim's part of the meeting? Sure. We can have them pull in for the next, for 117 Amity. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry, Jim. So yeah. My apology. I didn't see that. You had hit your hand raised before. Sounds great. Okay. Okay. Good. Hey, Lon, I'm going to promote you to panelists and let me know if there's anyone else. Well, should we only be seeing one person in the corner? Is that correct? Well, you can get that to a grid view. So you might be seeing more. I can see everyone. I can see five. You can see everyone. I'm not sure what I would press to get more people. To be able to see more. There's an arrow. There's an arrow down the bottom. Yeah. Okay. Well, it looks like a card. I'm afraid if I touch it, I might lose everybody. It'll be an arrow at the top or an arrow at the bottom. And then just push the one you want to see. The arrow at the top will get you back to the top of the list. The arrow at the bottom will get you down to the bottom of the list. There's a plus and a minus. I don't see an arrow. Oh, okay. Well, I'm on an apple, so maybe that's different. Yeah, I never know what it looks like on someone else's computer. So we have a Lon from Cune Riddle representing the architect representing the owners for 117 Amity. Okay, I'm sorry. Anyone else we should bring on board? I am not sure if Garrison is there. I see the power went out, so he may not be there. I'll promote Garrison to a panelist and then. Okay. And then I don't know if Don Fisher and Susan. I don't see their names. And Zinnia, the contractor. I don't see Zinnia either. Okay. All right. Should I go ahead? Yes. This is Jennifer. Yeah, hi. And you were here and when we introduced the other commissioners? Yes. Okay, good. So please make your presentation. Okay, you can just say, I think you'll be able to share your screen. You're now a panelist, if you'd like. Okay, great. Okay, can you see that? Yes. Okay, so I believe that you receive this letter as part of our application. I'm just going to briefly go through it. I'm here on behalf of Don Fisher and Susan Haas, the owners of 117 Amity Street. The house was constructed, we believe, in 1927. It's a story and a half Cape Cod style cottage. The scope of work is just removing a single car garage, which I'll show you on the drawings, and replacing it in kind with something that's slightly larger so that they can get a car in it and so that they can raise the floor level to align with the second floor of their current residence. Right now it's about nine inches lower and it's unfinished space and they'd like to turn it into a finished space. Raising the floor will also allow them to put in an overhead garage door rather than the carriage style doors that they have right now. We are proposing some new dormers on the garage. They'll give a little bit more head height and make that space a little bit more usable. We're adding a couple of exterior lights on either side of the door. The finishes will match the existing finishes. And we're using similar windows to what they currently have. They actually have put in some replacement pillow windows in the past and we're proposing that as well. So I think the easiest way to show you what we're proposing is to go quickly through the drawings. This is the garage that we're proposing to take down. And right now those are swing doors that come out, which are in pretty bad shape and difficult to use in the winter. This is a site plan. You can see that this property line right here goes through the back of their house. So they're over the property line. I mean not the property line, the setback. The property line is the red line here. And so we're proposing to take away this garage and extend it at three feet. That's what that red square is and that's for the ZBA really to understand what's happening there. This is the garage. This is the main house and the garage that's coming down. This is the three additional feet that we're adding to the garage. And this is the second floor level. Currently, this is the master bedroom. There are existing closets at the same level as the master bedroom. And then there's about a nine inch step down into this unfinished attic space above the garage. These are some elevations. So the front elevation, which faces Amity Street, although it's set back behind the other homes on Amity Street. This is the garage that we come down. This is what it looks like in the back and what it looks like on the east side or side. This is a section through the garage currently, just showing the low head height. We are proposing to maintain the same form. Just bring the floor up. There is an existing transom window that goes into the attic space, not into the garage space, which would go away when we raise the floor. And then this is showing the new construction. So here you can see the full garage in this space in that corner that's over the setback line and the garage floor plan. There's a door and a window. And then of course, a typical size garage door. And the second floor, rebuilding those two closets and having the bonus room space. And then these are the elevations. So as I mentioned, we are not able to put that transom back in because of where the floor level is, but we are proposing to carry across some existing horizontal trim so that element ties into the existing house. We are proposing to put shingles siding on the house. On the garage, similar to the house, there was clavver siding there previously. And you can see that we're adding two dormers on the front and the back of the garage. And then the side has a pedestrian door, that window on the garage level and a window up in the new second floor space. And this is a section looking through the garage with the new dormers in place to provide a little bit more headroom. And a couple of extra inches in the garage actually makes it possible to get a garage door opener in there. Has to be side mounted, but they'll be able to open the door automatically. These are the little lantern fixtures, which you'll see some photographs of. We are proposing to replace the door with a similar looking carriage style door. And so this is a blow up of that. The existing door does have lights in the upper half and then panels in the lower half. It will not open up like carriage doors. It'll open up like a standard overhead door. We are, as I said, using Pella casement windows, similar to what they currently have in the house, as well as a Pella pedestrian door. And this is the rendered view of what that garage would look like. This is the lantern light fixture that we're proposing to use. And here are some photos of the existing. These are some interior photos of the garage. You can see those doors have lived their full life. And then the upstairs, which is currently storage. So we'll go back and answer any questions you have. OK, thank you very much. I'm sorry, is somebody talking? Not me. Yeah, maybe it was just a matter of fear, I don't know. OK. Thank you. So does anyone have any questions? I can speak briefly. I know that house. I used to visit an English professor there many years ago. And of course, it came up for sale a few years ago. And I think that a lot of the changes that are proposed here are really quite nice. And that definitely will be an improvement because that garage was never anything special. Thank you. Bruce? I agree with Jim. I think this is the kind of application that we like to see. It's thorough, complete. Everything's there. It makes it very easy for us to understand, I think, what's going on, what's intended. And I have no trouble supporting it. Any other questions or comments? Just Peggy? Yes, Peggy. Just the same, just a very positive response to it. It looks like it completes the house in a way that very aesthetically pleasing to me to see that design. And the unity with the existing structure. So I think that the owners will love it. It'll make a big difference in their house, in their home. I would agree. I think the new dorm or windows, fabulous. And well, of course, we really appreciate that you're keeping the style of the garage door the same as you modernize it. It's a lovely house. Yeah. Thank you. Are there? Thank you. Are there any other comments? Any more questions? No. In case of members of the public, if you're there to raise your hand, I'm not seeing any raised hands. So I think. Well, in that event, Jennifer, I would move to close the public portion of the meeting. Second. All second. Peggy Schwartz seconds. OK, all in favor? Yes. OK, so we'll close the public portion of the meeting. Does anybody have any items for discussion? If not, we could move to approve the application. Let me close some things here. And again, I just wanted to ask the question, Nate. Then we're approving it as it is presented. So is then to be assumed that it would be, it will look the way the drawing looks. Right, right. So we're approving the plan set that was presented. So, yeah. I mean, we could, to Bruce's motion or whoever makes the motion, we can just add that it's based on the plans that were reviewed. So it's kind of implicit in it. Well, are we ready? I would move for the granting of a certificate of applicability to the property at 117 Amity Street for the demolition and addition of work as described in the drawings dated. And Nate, you can fill in the date prepared by Cune Riddle Architects. Finding that the proposed work, new work, meets the review criteria found in section 8.1 and 8.2 of the Amity Local Historic District Bylaw. And that the alteration work is consistent and in harmony with the existing surrounding properties and will not have a negative impact on the local historic district. Thank you. Second? I'll second it. OK, thank you, Peggy. So again, we have to do a voice vote. So I'll go around. I'm seeing you all here. And let's start with Greta Wilcox. I approve. OK, thank you, Karen Winter. I approve. Jim Lumley. I approve. Thank you, Bruce Oldham. Coldham, I'm sorry. Either one, I approve. And Peggy Schwartz. I approve. And I'm Jennifer Taub, and I approve. So it passes unanimously. And yeah, good luck with the work. Thank you so much. Thanks for providing. Bye-bye. Bye. Thank you. So that was nicely presented. So the next one is 26 Cosby. So let me just pull up this one. Are we going to, well, 216 Lincoln? Oh, sorry. I skipped down 216 Lincoln. Let me just open up everything. All right. And if someone here for 216 Lincoln in the audience Susan, you are only promoted to the analyst. Jennifer, can I say something here? Yes. I just want to declare that it doesn't seem to be an issue at all. But just in case Andrew Bellick and Susan Bellick operate who operate the stakeholders capital, performance service, investment counseling services for my wife and myself. Oh, yeah. Thanks, Bruce. Thank you. So does Bruce need to state he can act impartially? I think if he says that, I think he made the disclosure. So that's implied. OK. Thank you, Bruce. OK. So I think we'll turn over to you, Nate, to Susan. So can members see the application form? Yes. So is Susan making the presentation, Susan Bellick? Yes. Susan, you're now a panelist. You can speak and. Hello, everyone. Thank you. Hello. Hello. A little background. We have gone ahead inadvertently. I see. Yes. OK. You are now looking at something that exists. When the new circumstances of the summer presented themselves, we moved rather quickly to get a mini-split installed on the third floor because I have three teenage boys. And it's uninhabitable on our third floor in the summertime. And they're home now for the summer, so it was not an issue before. And we employed M.J. Moran. And the subject of the historic district, in all honesty, didn't come up. He did work on a house at the other end of Lincoln. And they are not in the historic district. So it didn't occur to him that it just didn't come up. And I didn't ask for a picture of what this was going to look like. So yada, yada, here we are. And we're very happy with our mini-splits when all isn't done. But you do have some tubing on the outside of our home. And that is, yes. And you can see it. These are, you're looking at the refrigerant piping. It's enclosed in white slim duct. And the heat pump is behind those plantings. So there's a photograph of the heat pump, but I can't even see it when I'm standing on the side of the house. I don't need to interrupt, but I walked by your beautiful house about 10 times a day, and I've never noticed it. Well, thank you. I'm glad. Go on. Yeah. That's a good sign. So I want to apologize. It was so long ago that the historic district, and I've had other things on my mind, and we would have gone through this process. But anyway, we are very glad to have the mini-split. And it does make a world of difference. So I stand humbly here before you. Before the commission, I hope, can you see the image of the duct? Yes. And I'll just do a new share with just our ones and if you can see what the location is on the side of the house here, so the north side. And I'll just make this a little smaller. And the outside unit is something similar to this. So it's the end. Susan, your application, actually, there's been a few of these for installation of mini-splits this year. And it's something I was going to bring up with the commission. I was going to talk to Rob Moore, the building commissioner. If the installation of one or two units could become an excluded, with certain criteria, become an excluded project, because we've had a number of these that there'll be a few more at a hearing in July where owners are now waiting to install a mini-split because it has to go before the commission. And so. Yeah, I think that's very much worth discussing, because we really don't want to be an obstacle for all. I'm not sure that I do. These things are beneficial, and I think they're great. But they do have substantial mechanical presence where the compressor condensing units are there. They have to be mounted up 30 or more inches or 30 or so inches above the ground to be above the snow. Sometimes, such as in this situation, people want to put awnings and things over them to stop the snow and ice from crashing down on top of them. And they can become quite a significant visual presence. And so to the extent that we are looking at chimney caps for glue liners, for new exhaust hoods, for exhaust fans that come through the wall, those two examples are far less visually impactful, or far less visual, a smaller visual presence than a heat pump. This is a very nice one. And even if those bushes have their leaves summer and winter, then there's really nothing that anyone could object to here. But I can't imagine how a heat pump installation, particularly where you've got more than one outdoor compressor unit and so forth, and the way the technology is going, the single port systems are more effective. And so that means for every indoor unit, you have an outdoor unit. So you may have two or three of these lined up along the house. So at some point, I would think that we would definitely want to be involved in looking at these, not to say we wouldn't approve them, but we might say, can they be pushed back a bit, or can this happen, or can that happen? So I'm not sure that I agree with the idea that we as a commission should not be looking at this sort of thing. Bruce, I agree with your concerns. I think at a future meeting, we could have this as a discussion. Because what if this were right outside the front porch, near the front steps, then it is a big present. So for the commission, Susan too, just for everyone as a reminder, vegetation is exempt from review. So for instance, if those are all your screenings, you could cut them all down if you wanted it. And then the unit's visible. So that's why it's subject to review. So any landscaping or vegetation is not reviewed. So someone could cut down trees or bushes or shrubs and not need to be reviewed. So then a change like this could become visible. So I agree. That's why it's still part of the review, but we are getting a lot of them this summer. So it's just a matter of, could we make an administrative for one unit if it's in a certain location? Right, in a certain location. It's a future discussion. Down just for the record. But I see your point. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I have a question. Yes, Peggy. Yeah. The noise factors, that's something that we would take into, you hear the older ones. I don't know about the newer ones. You hear the noise more outside the house than you do inside the house of the fan. Whatever the unit is that's doing the cooling. And is that something the commission should be considering or are we considering just the visual or impact of these individually installed units? There's no noise. Oh, OK. My neighbor on the other side has not said anything. I've never heard any. I've not listened for it. I mean, inside you don't hear anything. These are the most wonderful things in the world and they're energy efficient and stuff. So it's not been an issue. So I mean, maybe my neighbor can't hear anything because he has his air conditioning on. And it's not giving anything at all. I had a big one installed in my house. I had like a 3 and 1 half ton one installed last year for multiple rooms. And it doesn't, even when the fan's on full speed, it's a pretty low hum outside. Otherwise, most of the time, you don't even know it's on. It's really quite quiet. Great. OK, thank you. And so that's great information. OK. I can just comment. Yes. I tend to agree with Bruce. I think that we do have to kind of talk about this a little bit. And I think Jennifer and Nate have brought us that we will talk about this in a future meeting. Sometimes these are not well located on a particular house. And they can be a little unsightly. I disagree that they're totally quiet. I think it depends what maybe side of the house that they're facing on. Certainly what Susan and Andrew have done very tastefully. And it certainly should be approved in this particular situation. Noise depends on the load as well, when it's very cold. Or when they're working hard, they're a little noisier than when they're not working hard. So that varies. But it's generally around 45, 46, 48 decibels, which is, you only hear it if there's very little background noise. Other background noise. They will very quickly be masked by traffic, for example. Heat, and let it be said. If we've not used it for heat, we probably won't. But anyway. Yeah, you're right. The cooling load is lower than the heating load, typically. Oh, really? I didn't know. OK, that's interesting. I would have thought the other way around. No, they're made for cooling. So that's where they're efficient. And then heating, they. And our heating loads are greater. If we're in Florida, it would be possibly the other way around. Yeah. OK, thank you, Susan. Are there any butters that you need? You want to raise their hand? I don't think we can wait a second. I don't see anyone raising hands. OK, thank you. So can we have a motion to close the public port? So moved. All in favor? All in favor. All in favor. OK, thank you. So are there any more items for discussion or questions? Shall I do my motion? Sure, go. OK, move ground to certificate of appropriateness for the mechanical engineering heat pump work at the property at 216 Lincoln Avenue, work which has been largely completed but which we find just a minute. I've got to get my cheat sheet here. Find to be consistent with the review criteria found in section 8.1 and 8.2 of the Amherst local historical bylaw and that the work is completed is in harmony with the existing, substantially in harmony with the existing surrounding properties and will not have a negative impact on the local historical history. Thank you. Second the motion? No. Oh, second. OK, Jim and Peggy. All in favor? We have to do the voice vote. OK, so I'm going to start at the top of my screen. Peggy Schwartz? I approve. Thank you. Jim Lumley? I approve. Bruce Coldham? Bruce? I approve, sorry. Oh, OK, thank you. I didn't hear that. Greta Wilcox? I approve. Thank you. Karen Winter? I approve. And I'm Jennifer Taub and I approve. OK, enjoy your cool air. Children at home, thank you. Yeah. OK, bye-bye. Thank you. Bye. Bye. OK. All right, now I will move on to the next one. Is that Cosby? That's Cosby, yes. All right. Oh, that's the chimney, isn't it? Yes. Yeah. OK. Where are we? I know, let's see. Roger, I'm promoting you to panelists. I'll share my screen again for I'll minimize this. On you. So can you hear us? Yes. Yes. And do you see us or not? Yes. Yeah, we do. OK, so and you heard all of us. You were here for our introductions. Yes. OK, good. So then we welcome you to make your presentation. Thanks. So I'm Roger Matledge. This is my wife, Pat Brinkman. Oh, welcome to the neighborhood. Thanks. So we had, when we were purchasing the house, just quick background. And as new people, we are totally new to this process. So excuse us if we haven't done things right or let us know, and we'll see what we can do. And I see that I'm not in control of my screen, so I don't know. So go ahead. Just fine, I was just going to, I'm sorry, this is Nate. I was going to pull up just this so I wouldn't see the property and everything like that. OK, so when we were in the process of purchasing the house, we said that we wanted the chimney clean. The previous owners went to get the chimney cleaned. And the chimney cleaner said, I won't clean this chimney because it's got problems and it needs a new liner. So they were going to put the liner in, but they didn't get to do it. So when we moved in, we went to do it and then found out that we needed to have a permit. So we talked to, I can't remember the person at the office, but Nate was involved. They put the chimney liner in, but they didn't put the, it's sitting there, I think it's three or six inches above the chimney with two bricks on it because. Yep, I see it. And they had to buy the liner is not warrantied without a cap on it and he was going to put the cap on. I said, no, the commission says we can't have any caps. So it's just sitting on the bricks right now. But it does have, the chimney does have two flues. And so he said, we really should have a multi-flue cap. So in addition to the single-flue cap that we had to purchase, we also purchased the double-flue cap, which you see here, the location you can, can you see my cursor moving or not? I can, it's right here, right? Yeah, so it's on the house on the end of the gable end of the east side of the house. The view of the chimney above is the view from the street. And it's going to have this double-flue kind of cap. You can see the dimensions of it there. The, it's, I can't remember the name of it. Can you go up a little bit or down a little bit? It's the, who's the superior chimney? Superior, yeah. So they've done these caps all over Amherst, Amherst. Further down, Nate, to the bottom, there's a half a dozen examples of what it looks like or what these things look like. And we went around and took examples of other chimney caps around. You know, that was, that was way helpful. Very helpful. Yes, thank you for that. Okay. So we can put it up as is, it's stainless steel or he said he can also, he can, can you scroll down a little bit more up? We can also have it. Black powder coat. Black powder coated, yeah. Do we make? No, are these still allowed? Like the round ones? I don't know if you can see my cursor. They are. They are, okay. You know, that would be maybe like a single flu depending on your boiler or something. Yeah, they're not as nice looking on both, just so they. No, no. I have a question, if I may. The powder coating, it seemed like a black cap would be slightly more appealing, ever so slightly more appealing than the bronze one. But we might imagine that it would get black with time or at least after the first fire. But do you know what the cost of having the powder coating done? I mean, is it, are we talking 20 bucks additional or are we talking 200 bucks additional? He's going to do it for nothing. Oh, that's easy then. It's not going to be bronze. I just kind of pick that image out of the thing. It's actually going to be a stainless steel. Oh, okay. Yeah. So if you look at the tri-fold, if you, I can't remember, I don't know where you are, but if I have images of the tri-fold and it's not that bronze one, it's going to be the stainless steel one in the middle of the second page. Can we see that? Yes, that one. Yeah. So you're to either stainless steel or powder black. I would probably, personally, choose a black one. It wouldn't catch the sun and glint and draw attention to itself on all occasions, but the two choices is ever so fine line of benefit to me. But to the extent that there is a benefit, fine, though it may be, personally, I would prefer black. Any other questions of us? Yeah, you know, I need to say something. I'm sorry, I've been really remiss. I received a butter's notice so long ago, I had actually forgotten, but by full disclosure, I'm in a butter, and I will come and introduce myself. I haven't met you. I'm in the White House at Lincoln and Cosby. Oh, okay. So I can say that I can act impartially, but I needed to say that. I'm sorry for not saying it sooner. Great to meet you. Yeah, great to meet you. I'm going to come outside after the meeting and I'll knock on your door. The storm's over then, huh? Was there rain down there this afternoon? Yeah, sunny now. Yeah, sunny now. Okay, are there any other questions? Okay, so is there a motion? Thank you for the presentation to close the public portion of the meeting. So moved. All in favor? Okay. Oh, seconds and all. We're getting a little loose with the parliamentary procedure. So are there any questions? I don't know. Okay, so should we move to vote to? I'll move because the motion can be discussed. Move to grant certificate of appropriateness to the proposed chimney cap to the existing chimney property of 26 Cosby with the condition that it be powder coated black in color. And then I'll go on to say that we find the proposal meets the review criteria found in section 8.1 and 8.2 of the Amherst local historic bylaw and that all will be in harmony with the existing surrounding properties and will have no negative impact upon the historic district. So I would entertain a friendly emotion, a friendly emotion about a friendly motion or what do you call it? Second. Well, I guess we should second it shouldn't be before. Yeah. Anyone who would like to second that motion? I'll second. Okay, thank you Peggy. So should we move to a vote or was there something you want to add? I just wanted to say I've included the condition of the black powder coating and I recognize that that's a personal thing which as the mover of the motion I threw in there I will willingly agree to exercising that condition if we agree, if we think that it's not appropriate. We're happy with the powder coat. Okay, well. You can just add that my experience in real estate has taught me that over the years that chimney caps are very valuable for fireplaces, furnaces, and maybe that could be considered to be one of the exemptions that where they wouldn't have to come before our committee, but. Yes. I say that to encourage people to put chimney caps on because there's an awful lot of houses that still don't have them. I agree, if for all sorts of reasons and anything related to securing chimneys is for the betterment and safety of the properties because this is the source of property damage when chimneys aren't properly maintained and houses burned down. Clearly. Yeah. Okay, thank you. So, I think so if there's the property owner is comfortable with that condition and can we move then to a vote? Sure. Nate, okay, so we'll move to a voice vote. I'll start at the top of my screen, which is Jim Lumley. I approve. Okay, thank you. Bruce Coldham. I approve. Greta Wilcox, I approve. Thank you, Peggy Schwartz. I approve. Thank you, and Karen Winter. I approve. And I'm Jennifer Taub, and I approve. So thank you for coming before us and you'll receive your certificate right away. Yeah, we can. So that can be processed pretty quickly. You can proceed with the work. Ooh, we lost you. Great, thank you all very much. I really appreciate it. Okay, thank you. Thanks, bye-bye. Okay, bye-bye. All right. All right. So that's, so we've completed the applications? Nope. Well, there's a, let me just see. I think 19 the 12, or not. 133 fearing. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let me pull that one up. See. I'm sorry. Yeah, we do have another. We can, Jennifer, you can announce that 19 McClellan is in, we can put that to the end. Right, did not complete the application. So we will continue that at the next meeting. So this is our last application today. Right, and then we'll have to determine the next hearing. And then is there anyone attending in the audience for 133 fearing if you can raise your hand? I don't see any raised hand up. Here's a raised hand. Ah, yes. You'll have to unmute yourself. It's, can you hear me? Yes. Good afternoon, everybody. Let me just check my name's Christian Cunningham, the property owner. Let me just, let me just promote you to panelists and then you can speak. That should work. All right. So my contractor, Mike Powell, was going to be doing the presentation. Let me just see if he's going to be joining us today. Sure. Yeah, I thought he said, at one point he said he was and I... You want to start your video or are you heavy being? My computer actually just, the video does not work on my computer unfortunately. Okay, that's fine. Can you see, I'm sharing the application screen right now. Can you see that? Yes, we can see that. Do you see that? All right, let me scroll down, sorry, this has been scanned. I think the easiest one is just this image right here. Yes, that's the one. Yeah. And, you know, I think just for the commission, you know, there's window replacement and there are some vents happening. And, you know, it can be the commission's determination that the windows are similar to what's being proposed and then it's excluded from review. I mean, they're indicating that, if you can see the screen that the windows here are being replaced with Harvey or maybe Marvin slimline and they're going to match the windows. So if we see here, they're going to try to, you know, in an email, they said that they would match them from the street you couldn't tell that there's a difference. So I think, you know, that's, I think that's one thing to determine as if that changes is can be excluded. Nate, if you don't see Mike Powell in the group, then I can just give a quick overview of the front. Yeah, we'll wait a second. Okay. I don't know if you could hear me on just telling the commission, they can look at the windows to see if those are substantially similar and whether or not that needs a certificate. Okay. Yeah, I don't see Mike yet. Okay, all right. Well, we're looking at doing some renovations in the kitchen as well as the upstairs bathroom. So the three windows on the first floor are in the kitchen space. And then the second floor window is for the bathroom. So we're looking to replace those four windows, you know, consistent with the renovation and, you know, not to no changes on the exterior and the builder who can explain it much better than I can will match it as best possible to the... Just a question of clarification. You said then four windows and I think the application is talking about three, right? So was that a misstatement or are there indeed four? Looks like four. I think one might be a double window. Maybe they're carrying that out. Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, I would say that. Yes, okay. And in addition to the windows, they're also proposing to put, you know, as you can see here, a vent. So both the plumbing stack vent and then currently the bathroom vent fan just empties in the attic. And so they're going to, you know, put a roof vent for the bathroom. So, you know... Oh, no, no, I see the current vents in the photograph that I have. You can't see it on that photograph, but it's on this, it's... Yeah, do I? Yeah, I saw that in one of the ones too. So I guess the Mike Powell, the contractor at one point, said that if that vent stack may not be sufficient and they put a new one in, you know, to make might be the same location or to match. So it'd be a... Yes, it's on the other side, but I went there and took a couple of photographs today and I'm looking at an event that's coming through the roof in a position that is obscured by the leaves of the tree in the photograph that we've just looked at. Yeah, I saw, I had a picture too. I guess maybe, I don't see it with me right now. I'll take a pull that up. Right, I don't think it's... How visible are those vents? Cause it's very open on both sides of the house. Oh, sorry, just to give a quick background. So I purchased this property back in October from Agnes Ting, who I'm sure you are all familiar with. And essentially the, we were surprised by some of the existing conditions, including the vents, you know, pumping into the attic. So I unfortunately don't have a better image for you of what it looks like currently, but the goal here is to essentially, you know, create a safer environment as well as, you know, keep consistent with the neighborhood. So... Yeah, so I think, you know what? I can share the Google street view in a minute, people like that. So it may be another vent or it may be a replacement of the ones there, which would be going, which would be, yeah, there you can see it. See, there's a vent very clearly there. Right, so yeah, so it might be there or maybe, you know, it might be higher up on the roof. Well, the drawing shows it around the other side on the north facing gable. Well, they're saying that's where the bathroom vent fan will be. So they're gonna put a, you know, a plumbing stack and then I was gonna put a bathroom vent fan. Oh, it's the, it's not a, it's... Okay. You know, it's not like a bathroom, you know, like a roof hood, like a small little... Yeah, the term vent really applies to plumbing vents and you would use the term exhaust if you were talking about a bathroom exhaust for air and that sort of thing. So there's an exhaust portal through the, so I guess it's the exhaust fan that dumps into the attic, which is far less terrible than, although it's pretty bad than the plumbing vent. And the plumbing vent dumping into the attic would be an appallingly lax plumbing activity. But so the vent is being extended from the floor of the attic across and through the roof on the north side. Right where the cursor is. It'll be like maybe opposite of the plumbing stack. So it might be over here. Yeah, so it's very confusing that it's, that the photograph has an arrow that says vent on the roof because everybody would think that was a plumbing vent. Mm-hmm, yep. And then, you know, the windows to be replaced, you know, according to the application, they'll match very similarly with the same profile and, you know, have screens. So the, you know, the exterior is not gonna change at all. It'll just be, you know, insert windows to match this thing that's there. And what is this in this window on the third floor? What is that? The attic window. So that is a existing vent. Essentially, it seems as if it would open if it reached a certain temperature. They just, the flaps will open up to allow airflow to the attic. But that's, we're looking at replacing that as soon as possible as well down the road itself. At the front and the front gable, what you can see here. Yeah. Right. That's what you're asking about, Tinnitus? Yeah. Yes. Okay. I have no questions. Perhaps others, are there others in the audience? Well, should we do want to include this front vent as well? I mean, do you have what this would look like? Otherwise, they may have to come back again, unfortunately. So, you know. No, we do not have that at this time, but we're looking at doing some further projects in the near future. So we'll definitely be back with those updates. Yeah, I would wrap everything up into one application. So if you're going to do siding or more windows or any other work on the exterior, that can just be all wrapped up into one. Okay. It's cleaner. That means that they're on the whole series of small applications and decisions that the town would find difficult to keep track of. And I'm just curious, what is this here? I know it's not part of the application. What are you speaking to, Jennifer? See all this, I can't tell what that is, going from the back porch to this black car on the lawn. Oh, I mean, these. Yeah. So this was last year, previous to when I purchased the property. The tenants, that was supposedly their hockey gear. So they are no longer living in the property and that has been rectified. Too smelly to be inside, Jennifer. Oh, I thought this was a current picture. Got it. This is, this is good. There was often, Jessica said I walked my dog down fearing a lot. There was often this kind of stuff on that. So I'm glad to know there's a new owner. Yes. Not really relevant to what we're discussing, but good to know. Okay. Okay, are there any other questions? So then I guess we can move. Thank you for the presentation to the public portion of the, to close the public portion of the meeting. So moved. All in favor? Second. Thank you, Karn. All in favor? Yeah. Hi. Okay. Bye. So if there's no, is there any further discussion among the commissioners or can we move to approve the application? Let me just get my computer back and okay. I guess I move that the commission grants a certificate of appropriateness to the property at 133 Fearing Street for work to replace three windows with identical new windows and install a, extend a bathroom vent, bathroom exhaust vent through the North Roof. Finding that the, finding that the proposal meets the review criteria found in 8.18.2 of the Amherst local historic bylaw and that the proposal is in harmony with the existing surrounding properties and will not have an even impact on the local historic district. I don't think there's any conditions that I can think of that need to be applied. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Jim Lemley, thank you. Okay. We will go to a voice vote again starting at the top of my screen. Jim Lemley. Yeah. So I approve. Bruce Coldham. I approve. Thank you. Peggy Schwartz. I approve. Greta Wilcox. Yes, I approve. Thank you. And Karen Winter. I approve. Thank you. I'm Jennifer Tao. I vote to approve too. So, okay. With the, thank you for the presentation, Mr. Cooney. And we will issue your certificate of appropriateness for the work you applied for. Have a good night, everybody. Thank you. Good night. Thank you. Stop sharing. The, and I guess for 19 McClellan, we'll have to choose a new date and just continue it until then. The property owner had submitted a building permit application to renovate the porch. And there was some back and forth, but they never submitted information to, for our review, you know, enough information. So, you know, they said it was gonna look substantially similar or be the same, but they never approved that with any drawings or information. So, you know, my, my recommendation is we can continue the hearing until the July, until July, we're gonna have to have another hearing in July for there's some pending application. So we can continue it or we could, you know. I mean, I think it would be fine to continue it. That means you don't have to then post another ad. Right, right, right. Yeah, we definitely don't want the town to have to do that, I would think. But we have to continue to a date certain, don't we, Nate? Yes, so I was gonna say we have to find that date. Okay. We want to do that now? Yes. So, June 29th, I mean, the week of July 20th work, that's not quite the last week, but that would give us time to, I'm envisioning we're gonna have another one or two applications for many splits again. You know, there's another one or two porches and maybe a roof. So, you know, in July, they'll probably be, there'll be another hearing for a similar renovation. I cannot do it to like 20th. I don't know if we could move to a different day. I think the week, even if we had to do the Tuesday or Wednesday, except to... I could do the Thursday or Friday. I don't know if that works for everyone, 23rd or 24th, or I could do any day the next week. You could say July 27th, is that work? And that might give us enough time too for legal odd purposes, just to be able to get everything in and... I prefer July 27th. Okay. Works for me. Works for me too. For me too. I think it's fine. I just feel sorry for all the, the mini-split people that have to wait and bear with their children in the heat. So I think we can do an earlier one too. That's fine. We're all here. We need to advertise. We need a two-week window and that takes a few days to advertise. So just to have a hearing, we need almost three weeks to schedule it and have it publicly noticed. So I think the 27th works if we... That's good for everyone. Yep. All right, so we continue the 19th of call onto the 27th at 4 p.m. Hey. And also online and you'll send us a link? Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, we don't, I don't, right. So good question. I don't, the town probably won't, at least not until September will the town consider meetings in person. So for July and August and maybe into September, it'll be remote. And then depending on what's happening, we may move to in-person meetings. It'll be difficult because we'd have to maintain social distancing. So even to have 10 people in a room, we'd have to have a pretty large room. So... Yeah. Can I also add another, I just wanted to make it general, just to share this information. I don't know if you all receive calendars of the meetings of the different committee, commissions and boards, but this Wednesday, July 1st, Amherst Media is going before the planning board. So we don't have a formal role, but I just wanted to let you know, if you, I'm going to zoom in, it's at 6.30 on Wednesday. And Nate, will you be answering questions if they, if... Absolutely a good question. I hadn't planned on attending. Let me talk to Chris Brestrup. You know, my thought was the planning board, you know, we, the commission wrote a letter and then I submitted the plans that were approved by the commission to the planning board. And then, you know, Amherst Media has essentially used those in their application. So there wasn't, you know, there wasn't a lot of, as far as I know, there wasn't any deviation from those plans, but... I guess... I know the certificate is included in their application they submitted. I mean, what would, I maybe this is more the preview of the zoning board of appeals, but will the planning board like, you know, weigh in on the parking? I mean, because they... They could. So the planning board, you know, if the planning board decides to change the site plan review, the site plan, and then Amherst Media, you know, if they end up changing their plans, then they have to reapply to the local sort of district. So I don't, you know, I think the letter and everything that's been submitted speaks for itself. And it's really the planning board's decision. So I mean, I guess I could attend, but if they want to change the parking or if they don't think the building's situated correctly or the drainage doesn't work, that may require a change to the building and everything. And then they might have to then come back to the commission. So it's, you know... I don't, I don't want you to have to add another meeting. So let's say we're listening in if there's a question. Sure. If you're Jennifer, if you're in attendance, you could always raise your hand and as chair of the commission, you know, just someone, the chair of the planning board if I recognize you, so you could speak. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cause I mean, they may have questions. I, you know, I hadn't anticipated that just because I've, you know, I've answered some with staff to help staff answer questions, but you're right, there may be some. I probably won't, but I'll just... So Jennifer, you could possibly email Chris Brestrup and just tell her that you intend to be there so that the chair of the board will know that you're there and you'll make it a little more likely that you'd be recognized. Yeah. Oh, that's a good idea. And may they provide a packet? Is there any packet I should have before the meeting? Yeah. Yeah. If you email Chris, you can ask for one. I can, I'll, let me just make a note. I can try to send you one. Okay. Might be online even too under the planning board, but... Okay. Do you know if they're, if the packets are online or? Um, I'm not sure. They did, I know, yeah. Okay. I'll email Chris. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I was moving along. Yeah, I received a link for the packet, but I don't know if it's, you know, we can share it with certain individuals, but I don't think it's open to the public. So maybe that, you know, we just have to include your name and then you get a link to the, you know, we have a one drive and then you can view everything. Okay. Just for this one meeting. Right. Right. Made it for all of it. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So I just wanted to share that with you if any of you want to pop in for that. Thank you. Interesting. Yeah. And while we're speaking of Amherst media, you know, they did their attorney appealed the commission's decision a while back, you know, arguing the timeframe that's commission acted outside the timeframe. And so, you know, the town has to respond sometime in July, but I think that that appeal, I'm not sure it hasn't really gone anywhere, but you just don't, you know, that the Amherst media appealed the local sort of district commission's decision. And there may be something in the next month or two to relay to everyone. Can I just ask a question? What's the subject? I'm sorry. Well, I'll let you go for this one. Is that stipulation that we would have had to issue something in writing saying that we were continuing the item on that we were keeping the meeting open. So we wouldn't be issuing a certificate within X number of days. Is that a statewide regulation or just our town? No, it's a statewide. And so I think the, you know, local historic district, both our by-law and the state by-law says that within 60 days, there'll be a certificate issued, you know, whether or not approved or denied. And, you know, it's interesting, continuing the hearing, some will consider it that that's a- notification. Yeah, it is. And others will say that the applicant should provide something in writing or sign something. So to be safe, you know, the town attorney recommends moving forward just having a form letter with the application and that part of the application is that the applicant agrees to possibly go beyond 60 days just so it's in writing. It's, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's an odd- No question, Peggy. I'm sorry, I didn't want to cut you off. No, I've just thought, I thought that we had kind of come to an agreement with them as to where they- We did, but it wasn't signed. I didn't realize that. I thought that was- I don't think anybody realized that. I think they're continuing to agree the hearing is, may not be legally strong enough as, you know, instead of they should have signed something saying they agreed to continue it, you know, even though they were at the hearing and agreed to it. So it's kind of a legal nuance, but. Thank you for clarifying. So you need a motion, Jennifer, to move the- Do you have any other items? Well, yes, the item we haven't completed. A motion to continue the application for 19 McClellan to July 27th at 4 p.m. That was a motion. Yeah. Second? Second. All in favor. We don't have to do a voice vote, do we? I think we should. We should, okay. Starting Greta, let's see, I'll go this way. Peggy? Yes. Yeah, continue. Bruce? Yep. Jim? Yes. Karen? Yes. Jennifer, yes. All right, great. Okay. Now I will ask, are there any other items that anyone wanted to discuss or bring up? No. Jennifer, I just wanted to say that if Room Raider is looking in on us, your background, it gets the prize, I would think, and your lighting and everything is very, fortunately, being the chairperson, we look very well as a commission. Thank you for that. Thank you, I was going to say that Greta, you, Bruce, and we have the same color in the background. Oh. Yes, and Peggy has a beautiful green. No, I've been looking at everybody's. I love your behind, Karen and Jim, beautiful artwork. I have a quick question. I have a quick question. So on Lincoln, down by Amity, the power company came in and put in a giant, I have some pictures of it, a giant apparatus on the telephone pole. And maybe that's not our concern at all, but it seemed pretty aggressive for a historical district to have this giant, next time you drive down Lincoln, look up on your right, going towards Amity, and you'll see the new, looks like a flying saucer landed on top of the, on top of the telephone pole. And I just wondered, for one thing, I wondered if the, maybe it's nothing to do with us. I have a picture of it. That's what I'm looking down for. But if the telephone company could at least take away the old wires would help, and do they need permission to put that up or whatever? Anyway, look at it and see what you think. That's an excellent question. Yeah, that's, that's a tricky, tricky to answer. I say yes, some might say no. It might become a legal question. They might not really be on a property, but the bylaw doesn't necessarily apply just to property. It's also any erection of a structure or objects. So I'll talk to Rahm about that. I think that's a really difficult one. When we were forming our first local historic district, there was a case in Rhode Island where the utility company came in and they're putting all new gas meters and electric meters on the front of buildings, even in historic districts. So, you know, where the meters used to be on the side, there was one case that came and they put in like a dozen, half a dozen or more electric meters right on the front of the porch of the historic house and historic district. The board of six electric meters. I think it went to court. And I think it's a difficult thing. Utilities will say that they're immune or they have some sovereign, something in. The electric meters are an initiative of the building owner, I think. And in Rhode Island, in this case, it was the utility companies were saying they were putting in all new meters for, you know, whatever, smart metering or something. But I'll talk to Rahm about this one on the telephone pole. I don't know. Thanks for bringing it up. I don't know. And Greta, do they, are you still now with thicker cable that goes down the whole street? Yeah, I'm sure it's to give Wi-Fi to you, master something. I'm not sure. But it's very large. It's very ugly. And I've heard that it's, the telephone companies don't even take the old wirings down to do everything so fast. So I don't know. I took some pictures, I can't find my pictures of it, but I have to take. If you could email Rose. Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. Yeah. Yeah, if you email the pictures, Greta, that'd be great. I'll look into it. I don't know if I, yeah, I don't have an answer really right now. Yeah. Thank you. Did they go on Sunset as well, do you know? Or just down Lincoln? I don't know. I only saw the one on Lincoln. Yeah. Let's see if I find. Well, I'll mail it to you. Thank you. And then we still wanted to revisit the demolition by neglect, but we can maybe do that after the summer. Because one of the few, I mean, the summers are a busy season because so many people are working on their houses. Right, yeah, we have, yeah, I think, and they started late. So we're getting quite a few applications in. Right, because of the quarantine. Okay. So, do we have to move to close the meeting? I think, well, well, yeah, so moved about the fall of my chair here. I can't do that. Is there a second to close the meeting till? Second. Second. All in favor. I don't want to. Thank you again, Jennifer. Thank you. Jennifer, you did very well. Very well. I mean, it's a difficult thing to do. We have six applications and we got through it and five out in an hour and 20 minutes. And it was very, we were great compared to some of the other people I've seen on Channel 17 when they were trying to figure out who was where. Between you and Nate, I think I felt that we really used our time well. So thank you all very much. Okay. I thought 117. I agree. I think we can, if we'd like to use an example application, 117 was nicely done with the plans and pictures. Yeah. It was. And the last thing on that, what is it, 133 fearing? There's usually a beer pong table permanently on the lawn. Are you saying we should regulate that? Is that a permanent structure there, Jennifer? Yeah, I don't know. Well, so I had to laugh at that. Yeah. So all the hockey uniform or whatever on the grid, that's typical of that property. Any housing. Thank you, everybody. All right, thanks everyone. Okay, thanks. Bye-bye. And the meeting.