 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa at the national working committee of the all progressives Congress and the governor's elected on the platform of that party have called on president Muhammad Abu Hari to obey the Supreme Court's interim injunction on the narrow redesign prop policy saying that the policy and its implementation are causing tremendous difficulties to the citizens of the country and the national economy as a whole. Now chairman of the APC said to Abdelahi Adamou in a resolution read yesterday at the end of an emergency meeting of the party urged the president to intervene in resolving the issues which he said were causing great problems for the economy. Adamou had called the meeting to intervene in the current faceoff between the governor selected on the platform of the party and the president. If you remember in October 2022 authorized the central bank of Nigeria to redesign the 1500 and 200 notes with a 100 day grace period given to Nigerians to change the old notes to new notes. However the presidential candidate of the APC Buhari's same party during the presidential campaign rally recently in Beokuta Ogham state said that the lingering petroleum scarcity and the narrow design policy were targeted at truncating his electoral victory. Now subsequently as you well know the governments of Kaduna Kogi and Zamfara states filed an application before the Supreme Court by invoking the original jurisdiction of the court to stop the federal government from banning the old notes. Well to analyze this latest move by the all progressives congress national working committee and the governor's forum of the party we have a public affairs analyst Opponabo Enkotaria with us Vasum Mr. Enkotaria thank you very much for your time and good morning. All right what's your take on the fact that the party is speaking against the party it's a bit a bit confusing for a number of people in this in this situation. What could be first of all you find out that the APC is a vast policy because in the news that it is targeted at Vasum and the environmental policy who is known I would have said notorious for stashing money and using saying to prosecute political wars. A very clear example of reference was in 2019 when we saw two billion bands that don't reach out and when he was quarreling he said not when I mean quarrel not quarreling by the power of the country. He said they thought not around the good ones back by being prepared that they need the money where he is when they are not around the good ones back then. But recently I think the secretary of the party in something tried to reproduce that by saying the bullion bands means to drive us against their route. It was extremely ridiculous for me to reason before you leave definitely you know your destination and number two you missed your route to the house of Tinebou and what happened what were the punitive measures taken against the driver because what is more something that happened to the monies and the good one but how could I have explained it and you are coming up with this excuse four years after Tinebou had accepted that the good one went to the house to bring the good one that he needs. Now oh sorry see that's the country we live in. Sorry about that. I can continue you can hear me. Yeah go on. Yes tell me yes so that is that is that is it for the bullion band and so Tinebou believes that the policies are targeted at him because he is one politician that is known to be extremely in quote generous when it comes to persecuting political wars generous with money and that's why he believes that it's targeted at him and for every Nigerian we all know that Tinebou doesn't hold back anything to achieve what he wants. If he leaves no stone unturned to achieve what he wants that's why he believes it's targeted at him because of all the presidential candidates thus far the man who has been extra bigots which is formed thus far is Volamentary but then the APC believe that probably Mr. President and the civilian governor who contested or who wanted to contest for presidential election especially the civilian governor is trying to truncate the ambition of Volamentary as an event for this allowing him to partake in the primary. Today it is a question of what you read me out of the primary and so I am also going to read them by ensuring that if you think your money can get you the presidency I will ensure that you're frustrated that is that effort in being steering and that is why the APC believes that it is targeted at Bola and me but let me quickly say this my brother the issue of cashless policy and the it's not Naira's work what you have is not Naira's what you have is Naira complication not Naira's work when you say it's work I mean it's simple in this language you have I mean I know your world's down in me so when it's a swap you bring peace and I give you that extra if you give me a seat I give you a seat that's a swap but when I give me a seat and you hold on the seat and you choose to give me the sophistication so that is what is going on in the country right now is it you know they were made you are crushed into large in our forms and after lodging the call we can't get back not even 10 percent of what we learned and that's when ideas are crying out so while it is hydrated from temporary good reasons to reduce good buy in the form coming to the national election and on their elections the implementation is a problem excuse me the cbm did not think it through on how those at the bottom of the second order will be protected from the cashness the asperities of the policy the cbm got no other fixated on ensuring that the big weeks don't have access to forms but I must tell you that the whole essence of this is negative how let's say for example hypothetically I'm not saying that is what it is even the governor of river state has said this policy will definitely and has not even affected me he said that now hypothetically we all know that the governor of local state is one of the cronies of bola matini we all know and let's say bola matini has 100 billion to change to swap all it is to this routine to the government house and you cannot ask the governor why he wants an example you can only put in a governor after he leaves office if he sends for he converted to the government house and don't think and give him his money that is number one number two these politicians just like i met him and not saying this negative says now most of them have already exchanged the naira for the dollar that's what it does even in 2019 so what they have in their possession the naira they have are for like I don't know how they call them house and so it's not a coward or something like that but then the guys do they help a lot it goes at at the at the bottom of the second order they give them nair but when it comes to for example bribery and so on no definitely don't need the nair they want to change the two dollars one it is even convenience to carry so they change the two dollars so that negates the whole essence of the naira policy cash left policy then again there is nowhere in the world you know the last time on this issue and I said something by the special grace of God some of us started traveling when we were just two months old and I give God the glory for that and we always travel there is nowhere in the world where you have cashless policy you might have cashless economy but what's the distinction and living in this with the issue of cashless economy it is not compulsory that you must do a transfer it's a matter of convenience and for accountability it is not compulsory that you must do a transfer when you want to make a purchase nowhere in the world nowhere your choice is yours whether to use your cash or to do a transfer but it is convenient to do a transfer unlike in Nigeria where you are now making it compulsory if for example now there are there are the balkanizer I went to yesterday I went to a balkanizer list who said he was not going to accept money transfer was also not going to accept pure cash and he's right he wanted cash I didn't want to eat at potacka club which you know to wear I'm mentioning so it is not as if I'm trying to cook up his to cook up a story potacka club can team the football section the lady refused to accept I don't do transfers I don't even know how to do transfer I give an advice he said no I said why he said when will I go and withdraw the money from the bank and also make further purchase to cook you want me to close down this so that I'll go and cure for one two three weeks to get my money and I'm beginning to feel jealous because I know how good the fisherman's soup and the native soup at the potacka club can be I need to get on the plane Confidently jealous because it was of your own police on you I need to get on the plane You don't need to get on the plane You let us You abandoned us and moved to Lagos No I haven't I haven't But when are the negotiations like it or not you're a reversal Absolutely absolutely I'm married from there so but anyway open about So what is your view on the the APC versus APC nature of this because I mean we see the president on one hand who is the leader of the party you know backing this policy from the central bank of Nigeria and backing them mayfully and refusing to back down and then the party saying that this policy is is against us it's an anti-party policy because it is going to hamper the efforts of of the APC the chances rather of the APC the majority of the party after after his meeting with with the AP the president last week said that there are two ways it's going to affect them number one they said that the the citizens the voters will vote against the party because they are not happy with the situation of things the difficulty they're going through so they'll vote against the party number one number two he says that they need the money to prosecute the election he said in the 70 millionaire as is allowed by law as he claimed so why is the president acting against his party now now now the ostensibly permission to allow them to can you hear those sensible excuse of is going to put the party in the back that's an ostensibly reason I mean they made the actual good is what Timibu said he was a provoker it was targeted at him because Timibu is playing money politics Mr. President wants to depict on and we have three fair and credible election that's it if I give that's not enough excuse me that's not a doubt at all but Timibu who believes in money politics who believes that money could be weaponized considering the hatching Nigerians are facing money could be weaponized to sweep the votes now the question you ask I'll go into the issue of Mr. President the question you ask we've had full scarcity for so long we've had the situation we've had we've never been happy tragic in terms of fuel and which has now also taken place in terms of money for Nigerians happy tragedy you buy and sell at a higher rates mountainous that is what I've been doing though right now no Nigerian can tell you the pump price of a liter of petrol because it varies from one fuel station to the other nobody can tell you why didn't the APC government pick against that why did you rise against the impotence they did not do that because they were not affected now because they affected they can't buy votes anymore and that's why the APC government a party the party as a whole is angry because they realize the party relies so much on food buying or using money to love it let me put it that way capitalizing on indigent Nigerians the poverty of Nigeria and that's why the if I know that the APC is very learned to work that in the last eight years APC has performed abysmal but but the president to be a party man I'll come to the president yeah yeah I'll come to the president I said the president wants to be quit Mr. President said something when he was swanning in 20 is it 2050 isn't it 2050 when he was swanning he said I'm for all and I'm for nobody the impact of that speech that statement is now done on the APC in fairness of well he wants to be quit to Nigeria's free fair and credible election the APC doesn't want that and worry was sitting in that situation by performing abysmally in the last eight years and so what the APC intends to do is to love it using money as a weapon as a tool and that's why the APC is bitter but let it come to worry worry is not bothered about party even worry is not bothered about his name not party just to answer your question directly not party if you realize he observed he had me when stomping with Bola metinibu until the public are crying that that is being interpreted by Nigeria as rejected to the book and don't forget what happened before the convention where it is said that law one who is not a candidate I want to say that he's not a Syriac candidate law one stole the ticket of machine and this is shown to the supreme court of justices they dropped them and I give kudos to the two that interpreted Tito sensu such a 115d of the electrolyte the other three you say disgrace disgrace or that's an aside now don't forget that the national chairman of the party wanted law one and I'm aware that your seeds of these facts the issues precede the convention so the interpretation was that I didn't never wanted Tito you were not happy with the matter and so Bwari was almost coaxed into companies stomping in Tito of few cases Tito is one man that has not forgotten and that's why he's accused the president and on few occasions he has come out to escalate publicly the president of the party problem but I had an issue here Mr. President and the APC government has dispensable for flouting court orders coffee the courts especially the supreme court a lot of people have credited my uncle of blessed memory I'll say my uncle because he was actually close to my great father but put up with this statement but it was actually said by justice Robert Jackson when he said of America the supreme court is infallible it is not the supreme court is if yes it's infallible it's final it is final rather the supreme court is final not because it is infallible it is infallible because it is final so even the issue of jurisdiction what is jurisdiction it is the adjudicating competence on which a court rests what does that mean it simply means if a court for example the high court goes ahead to assume jurisdiction wrongly the court of appeal would nullify whatever judgment because the high court has no right if the court of appeal goes ahead to assume jurisdiction wrongly the supreme courts will set it aside because it has no rights to adjudicate on that matter but if the supreme courts should assume jurisdiction only god can set it aside so the court has a right so the issue of the city and its independence therefore the court cannot adjudicate on this matter it's ridiculous the supreme court has a right to say has to give some of any matter it is only the supreme court that can set off here the woman the whole Nigeria would refer to you as a woman even if you're a man okay let me say that I am a man in the eyes of the law you're a woman then you come and come to the court please okay therefore the supreme court has said maintain status quo antebellum replace the old currency remain illegal tender have no right whatsoever i'm very angry no right whatsoever to alter overall the supreme court they said hundred and two hundred and nine where it has no subject to the supreme court all right but the supreme court is like god on earth Mr. Kotaria um can we go because of course the governors of the of their formation state and we can see i'm going to the governors now because of time because of time um uh mr mr president as you can see in your screen i also want to read this treat he put out this is the second time or third time he has had to come out maybe it looks like he's being forced to to make a statement but i told him i said to us yes so he says let me go down with yeah yeah the first time he had to get out to go on stage and then uh announce it and see it you know one of the campaigns and uh festus kiyama kiyama put it out and then someone replied kiyama when i comment festus kiyama yes yes and it was it was it was doggie yeah it was doggie who came out to say that uh to comment on it i think when kevin put it out and it was a back and forth but this is the second time he says i'm not a contestant in the common election but my party apc has a candidate in the person of ashiva jibola uh i'm a tinnable i'm calling on all of you to vote for uh official b80 that's uh tinnable he's a he's reliable a true believer in nigeria and he will build on our teammates i mean for the president to have to come out to say this um i mean do you think the president wants tinnable to to to fall to lose don't just suppose that let me jog your memory a little you remember tinnables i bust in one of the states yeah when he said we already tried that try yeah good very good let me look on this and one of those states yeah thank you so what are we talking about that's the black man we are talking because i mean apd pdp are the ones who who are actually now defending the president which is uh what the president is doing because it because it is normal traditional okay for an outgoing president to campaign for a candidate of his party which we never saw and we all thank you the local issue is local issue we all are we are fed it's not he did so that alone would tell you there is this issue on the wall there is a crack that that explains it you don't it's obvious he needs ready for that proof they have both of you need ready for the proof so now let me go to the god knows who said in their better states exactly so a grand jury will find yeah we're out of time so please be cool with that yes i'll keep you that don't know to steal a little tender i completely agree with them because it is in tandem with the supreme court there's no judgment yes yeah but but it's a very good made an adjunct an adjunct meant till uh february 22 2023 and uh they said that the status quo ante should be should be observed should be maintained but anyway before you go that's what i said yes but i didn't know i don't know because they cannot respect the president they must respect the supreme court but but some lies are some lies the status quo ante is simply written all over alone as you will tell them no but some lies will tell you that this status quo ante is open to interpretation uh either ways you know it could be that this is okay before you came to court this is a lacking word because let me come let me come this is a lacking word used as a legal jargon status quo ante simply means before it is actually so so when they approach the courts we have to go sir when they approach the court because of time i have a last question for you yeah i have a last question yes and because the status quo ante value yes the remains status quo before the court started in this case how do you interpret whichever interpretation you are okay so before i'm taking a before we go before we go we're both a tenable image from this victorious because it's shown as we saw with the apc presidential primary when he seemed that um he was losing ground to the likes of mechi or shiba joe and ahmed lawan you know who is said to have been maybe the president's favorite if we can see and i've got the likes of we can call yeah so we can see that he made a push that last minute final appeal in yoruba at the apc the meeting with the delegates in a beokuta way he would have to you know address the governor of the state in very hard terms call him elie and and went as far as attacking the president means this one you know so so so that like he went hard on the president you know the president many feel that that last minute push that speech uh rallied the the the base and gave him a lifeline of sorts now with this this push no no no no no i'm coming sir will this push this career some people feel that will this current push by the the tenable camp using the governors who are for the first time we've never seen this before they are going against the president openly openly they are giving national televised addresses against the president the party is is going against him will this push by tenable now will this be the lifeline catalyst to guarantee that he wins the presidential election in a sentence please we're out of time please in a sentence if you don't catalyze if you don't catalyze the truth about today is that we Nigerians know that tenable is suffering from pantheon phobia it's panicking and we also all know that tenable gets to and so he will do or say anything as far as he knows that he against if you know that you're not working for it so it's definitely not going to serve as a catalyst not at all and i cannot show you now because i don't know if we're going to have an interview again before we elect i cannot show you now that nigeria will not confirm it to you know what we're allowed to decide no no i wish i could show you a copy he is ahead in the polls open up thank you very much tenable is ahead in the polls he has 37% of them of the vote although he is second i think he is a distant fed so let's see what happens thank you very much and have a fantastic one thank you very much i wish you all the best as you go to your hometown to vote and we have more discussions coming ahead on the breakfast to look at security during the elections how that affects the polls stay with us