 When the green light is on, your mic is live. Please make sure you speak clearly, directly into the microphone, again, so those joining us virtually can hear you. This will also help for the recording purposes. As for process, please note that there will be an opportunity for board member discussion after each agenda item, starting with the recent events. There will be an opportunity for public comment after the financial updates. Wish to make a statement, please let us know in the room or use the Q&A or raise hand feature on Zoom if you are attending virtually and the moderator will unmute you. Now I will call Roll. When called, please take a second to introduce yourself as the individual or as the designee. Secretary of the Natural Resources Agency. Brian Cash here for Secretary Wade Croke, but. Secretary of California Health and Human Services. Secretary of Transportation. Lori Pepper for Secretary of Michoacan. Secretary of Business, Consumer Services and Housing. And the Secretary Melinda Grant here for BCC. Speaker of the Assembly appointee representing the interests of private businesses. Good afternoon Lupita Sanchez-Cornejo with AT&T and representing private sector. Governors appointee representing the utilities industry. Senate committee on rules appointee representing county governments. Afternoon, Jeff Tony, County of San Diego Office of Emergency Services. Chancellor of the California State University. President of the University of California. Amina Safa for President Michael Drake. We have a quorum, thank you. Okay, next we'll move to opening remarks. Director Ward, would you like to provide any opening remarks? Yes, thanks, Dirk. Well, thank you all as Dirk said for attending. I know you all have busy schedules and while we don't have a lot around the table in person I know that there's others out in virtual land. So I hope that maybe we'll get to see some of you at our next meeting in person. We also wanna thank our stakeholders and our partners. We've a lot to share with you today on how we have made additional headway with the system operations and with the earthquake early warning technology implementation. However, you know, there's still quite a bit to do. We must ensure that we collaborate and leverage our partnerships and the importance of you all being on this advisory board is extremely important. So we're thankful again that you're here but also would hope that we participate and ensure that we're getting everything out of you that we possibly can. Let me just put it that way. We have some program updates today our sector-based implementation segment here. We also have excited to have Robert Sides here from the Regatta Seaside condominium here to speak about the implementation of EEW technologies. It's a clear example of how our idea of EEW implementation can come to fruition. We also get a chance to hear from our partners at UC Berkeley and USGS. And we have an update on our financial overview later today as well. But before we get started, I'd like to take the opportunity of a long-awaited appointment that all of us in the state of California have long sought for sure. So I would like to ask Jeremy Lancaster to come up to the podium and introduce himself as our new state geologist. Welcome. Long time in coming, a long time in coming. Thank you, Nancy. I really appreciate being invited here. And I've been the state geologist now for two months, a little bit of drinking from the fire hose right now, but I'm starting to get things moving and developing a strategic plan for the survey. I'm happy to be here as part of the at the Earthquake Early Warning Advisory Board. First time, I'm thankful for the partnerships that we have here, the partnership with OES, the partnership with the academic institutions here, with the USGS. I wanted to highlight that the California Geological Survey has a strong role in supporting emergency services. In statute, we are required to respond to geologic events that pose hazards to public safety and infrastructure. We support Cal OES in this effort. We support Cal OES by responding to landslide events, post-wildfire debris flow events, tsunami events, et cetera. But for earthquake events, we kind of have a very special relationship where we work with the duty officer in the warning center. It's basically a 24-hour operation where after an earthquake occurs, it's a magnitude of 4.5 or greater. We develop a quick report that summarizes the earthquake event to the duty officer that goes up chain. So we have a strong role. I just wanted to highlight that we have a strong role in supporting OES in that respect as well. And then, as I mentioned, kind of across the board with all natural hazards, we support OES and their mission to deliver effective emergency services. So I thank you for your time and attention. Look forward to this meeting and listening in and meeting you all. Thank you. Would any other advisory board members in the room or virtually like to make any opening remarks? Remember, if you're online, you may unmute yourself. Okay, hearing none, we will move to approve the meeting minutes. There's a copy of the meeting minutes from the last meeting on May 10th, 2023 in the packet you received yesterday. Both were made available electronically and in person. We will need to approve the meeting minutes from the last meeting as today we have a quorum. Please take a few minutes to review them. Lupita moves approval. All right, thank you Lupita. Any changes? Director Ward or from the board? Second, this is Brian Cash. All right, hearing none. Sounds like we have a motion to pass and motion passes. Thank you, minutes are approved. All right, let me run it back. I thought I heard a first and a second. Do we have a motion to approve the minutes? Yes, Lupita moved to approve the minutes. And Brian Cash seconded. All in favor. All right, motion passes. Thank you. With that, as the earthquake early warning program manager, I will now review some significant recent events. For this section, we're discussing earthquake events that have occurred since our last board meeting. We'll start with the Almanor earthquake that occurred on May 11th. You may recall this was the day after our last board meeting. So we just miss having a real-time demonstration of the system at work during a meeting. This was a magnitude 5.5 earthquake that occurred at 419 p.m. around Lake Almanor, a reservoir about 20 miles from Lassen Volcanic Center. But the activity had no connection to the volcano. There were dozens of aftershocks, most notable a 5.2 magnitude earthquake, or excuse me, aftershock that occurred in the early morning of May 12th. For this event, 3,938 Mi Shake devices received an alert while approximately 100,000 Android users were alerted. In the days after the event, there were 9,392 downloads of the Mi Shake app. Next event would be the Ohio earthquake on August 20th at 2,41 p.m., a magnitude 5.1 earthquake occurred near Ojai, California in Ventura County. After the Mi Shake alert was generated, 194,168 Mi Shake devices were alerted and Google delivered approximately 5.6 million alerts to Android users. After this event, there were 43,734 downloads of the Mi Shake app. The largest aftershocks were three magnitude 3.9 earthquakes, which occurred on August 20th at 3,18 p.m., and 10,25 p.m., and on August 22nd at 4,39 a.m. Most recently, on October 18th, around 9,30 a.m., an earthquake hit Eilton, about 30 miles away from us here in Sacramento. Now this was the day before the scheduled test that was to be part of the Great California Shakeout Drill. So you can imagine it caused a little confusion at first. But it was a real event that alerted 389,394 devices via the Mi Shake app, and 1.3 million Android users also received alerts. In the days following this event, we had 19,310 downloads of the Mi Shake app. One of the things we wanna highlight with this earthquake is that it originally came in as a magnitude 5.7, but was quickly downgraded to a magnitude 4.2. This caused the alert to go out to a much wider audience than was necessary. But we have our partners with United States Geological Survey to go into more detail about that, as well as the system performance in terms of latency, like we saw with the Ohio earthquake. With that, we'll move to a presentation from Geophysicist and earthquake early warning coordinator with USGS Doug Given and Bob DeGroote, the USGS coordinator for communication, education, outreach, and technical engagement. And the chair for the USGS Shake Alert Joint Committee for Communication, Education, Outreach, and Technical Engagement. Hello, everyone. I'm going to, we're going to go ahead to the next slide, Derek, please. So Doug is actually going to talk first about the magnitude overestimation for the 1018 magnitude 4.2 Eilton earthquake and then Eil transition into a discussion about the WIA system for the Ohio earthquake on August 20. So Doug, all yours. All right, go ahead and move on to the next slide. Yeah, thank you for this opportunity to interact with this group. And I'm especially excited that the empty chair at the Geological Survey is filled with the new director. So welcome to the fun. This will be part of the fire hose you'll be drinking from. As already pointed out, we overestimated the magnitude of this earthquake by one and a half magnitude units. You see highlighted down there that our initial magnitude was 5.7. That was the peak reached. And it finally settled down to a magnitude 4.4. Location has shown on this map. Keep that in mind because its location in the Sacramento River Delta is going to be an important part of this story. So if you'll go to the next slide, please. These are the diagrams we routinely produce to show the evolution of the event over time. The upper panel is the location error of the earthquake as compared to the final location as determined by the authoritative regional seismic network. We call this the Comcat solution. That's the common catalog. And the bottom panel is the magnitude evolution. You can see that in the initial seconds after the earthquake occurred, the magnitude error was approximately four kilometers, jumped up a little bit, and then finally jumped down to less than a two kilometer error which is relatively par for the course for seismic locations. The trouble spot here was primarily the magnitude. As you see, it started at 5.7 but then it started to ramp down quite quickly and was down to magnitude 4.4 within about 15 seconds of first detection. And I will point out that magnitude is a bit of a squishier number than a lot of people realize. It is the average of the magnitude estimate from the suite of stations that recorded the event. And of course in the first seconds of an earthquake, we are only using four stations. That's the minimum required for an alert. So we'll take a look at how this magnitude progression happened and why the first alert was so big. So if you move on to the next slide. Now this is the meat of the discussion. I know it's a little bit busy, but it's got seismograms on it. So that's a good thing for the non-seismologists in there. These are just a record of the ground motion over time of the four closest stations. Now there are five panels in the lower left there. That is because the closest station has two instruments, a strong motion instrument and a broadband instrument. So four stations, five seismograms. The closest station was a Berkeley operated station with the code name TWIT. That stands for Twitchell Island, but it seemed kind of appropriate because it was acting in a pretty TWIT-ish way. For this event I'll remind you that earthquake early warning is hard. To try to characterize something as complex as an earthquake with just a little bit of data is hard and you're doing your best effort to create an approximate answer as quickly as you can. So we're always fighting between the competing goals of being fast and being accurate. So the story with this one actually had several contributing factors to that magnitude overestimate. First station TWIT was only 4.8 kilometers away from the epicenter, but with that location error, it was estimated to be about twice as far away. And so when you do the magnitude calculation, distance matters. As you know, the shaking diminishes with distance and that's especially true very close in. And so there's a sort of a hypersensitivity of the magnitude and distance relationship close into the event. So the fact that there was a bit of a location error, 3.4 kilometers in this case, contributed about 0.33 magnitude units to the overestimate. But the biggest player here was the fact that we were in the Sacramento River Delta, which is essentially a huge pile of poorly consolidated sediments that are water saturated. It's basically mud and peat and it shakes like a bowl of jello that amplifies the motion at the ground surface. And so that amplification of the soft sediments contributed about 0.65 magnitude units to increase the magnitude over the final estimate that was made with stations that were outside the basin. The third contributing factor was that again, because the station twit was very close to the epicenter, the S wave, the secondary wave showed up within the window that is typically used by the technique, which expects only a P wave to be contributing to the calculation. We use what's called the PD method, the displacement of the ground by the P wave. The S waves are almost invariably larger than the P waves. And as a result, the S wave essentially contaminated and overdrove the magnitude. If you look at the diagram of the seismograms on the left, you can see the five second window. That's the maximum window we use for the first estimate. And for the lower two stations near that purple line, you can see a spike in the seismogram. That is the S wave arrival, and then it's followed by that longer period signal you see, which is the surface wave arrivals. And those combined again, overdrove the magnitude upward. And then there was another somewhat contributing factor. This is a little bit esoteric, but the algorithm is such that the more data you have, the more weighted that answer is. And Twitter, sorry, station twit, being the closest station, of course had the largest record in length, and therefore it was weighted higher. So that station alone was estimating that the magnitude was six, actually 6.2. And when combined with the other stations, which were also somewhat overdriven by their location in the Delta, ended up with a final combined magnitude by averaging those sites to the 5.7 that we sent out in the initial alert. Again, as additional data came in at each of these stations, and as additional stations arrived, things settled down and got better. Can go to the next slide. So here's the way the alert actually rolled out. And I wanted to highlight here a feature that we added to the system in August of last year that we call the alert pause feature, although it might better be called an alert limit. Because we know that it's hard to estimate the magnitude with only a little bit of information at the beginning, and we sometimes overestimate, we also at times underestimate. We added this feature to limit the first alert to no more than 100 kilometers around the epicenter. And that's the blue octagon that you see in that map. And so even though the magnitude was overestimated by one and a half units, we did not alert out to an area that would be commensurate with that magnitude instead it was limited to no more than 100 kilometers for the first five seconds. And by the time we released that constraint, the estimated magnitude had dropped down to 4.9, which was much more reasonable. And therefore there was little expansion to the area of alert. So the gray dotted lines, the octagons you see there are the area that was averted from being over alerted by this feature. Had this feature not been in place, the alert to the apps would have gone out to that largest polygon. This is MMI three apps. And the we alert would have gone out to the MMI four via polygon. So the alert pause did its job in this case. And then the final slide please. So what do we do about it? In the immediate aftermath, of course, we first had to understand what had happened. And it wasn't at all clear initially, but we started that analysis. We had significant consultations between USGS and Berkeley. And we decided to remove the station BK twit from our station list so that it would no longer overdrive event magnitudes until we got everything sorted out. And of course we posted on the USGS web pages a brief explanation as we understood it at the time to let the public know that we understood there was an issue and we were working on it. And then later after some deeper analysis by our system performance working group, they produced two reports about the event. That's the basis for a lot of what I've just told you. And then we created a short-term working group to look primarily at the EPIC algorithm, which is the one primarily developed by UC Berkeley and the one that is fastest in almost all cases in our system. And to look at what we could do to improve its performance in cases like this. Many of the things that happened we knew were sort of an issue but we'd not seen them really bite us quite this hard. So what we can expect to look at, and this is again a little bit technical, we'll look at recalculating the PD relationship especially close in. In fact, we'll explore whether it's beneficial to have a two-part relationship. One calibration close in and another calibration farther away. We'll look at implementation of per station magnitude corrections, stations in the Jell-O. If they always overestimate, then we can just correct for that with a scalar value. We're gonna look at S-Wave identification within the PD window. There are seismological ways that you can distinguish between a P and an S-Wave. And then we're also gonna look at bias corrections based on azimuthal gap. This was actually a one-sided event. All the stations were on one side of the event and because there aren't very many stations in the Central Valley. And so that will be another thing to look at. There will be others as well. So we expect that report and any changes that are relatively straightforward to implement will be done by February. So that's it. I don't know if you want to do questions now or at the end of the full USGS presentation. The questions will come at the end of the presentation. Great, thanks. So just as a bridge from Doug's talk about what he referred to as alert pause or alert limit, I think of it as somewhat like a safety net, some level. And for the Ohio earthquake, which was on August 20th, it was a pretty interesting day. We were having a major weather event in Southern California. It was kind of like everything happening at once. I guess that's what happens. And with this particular case, the earthquake was estimated by the Shakewood system at magnitude six. But this safety net, the alert pause, held everything within a 60 mile radius from the epicenter of the earthquake for those five seconds. And by the time the five seconds were up, what actually ended up getting alerted was for a magnitude 5.7. So that's a pretty significant difference. So it shows the great impact that this alert pause feature has on really sort of letting things calm down a little bit and then able to get a better sense. So I mean, that's an over alerting part that people were talking about. I think it's a good thing to add. So I just wanted to remind folks here is that of course we are working with many technical partners who are delivering Shakewood powered alerts on our behalf. And so this is just a reminder of a graphic that has sort of taken a slide that was originally a PowerPoint slide and put it into a graphic about where different alerting levels are and for what purposes. And so specifically for we, if we go to the next slide, please. And a way to read this. And by the way, the color on the far right matches the color on another graphic that we developed for what people feel at various shaking intensities. And for MMI three, it's kind of like a heavy truck passing by your house. MMI four is where you having dishes and things like that windows rattling in your house. And so the way to read this is that anyone who could feel MMI four, okay, this rattling of windows and stuff or greater for earthquakes that are estimated by the Shaker system, the magnitude five or bigger could get a Shaker powered WIA alert. And that's how it works out. And I was inside the MMI four region during this earthquake, so I got an alert from my shake and also from WIA. I live in West Los Angeles, new UCLA. So just to give you a sense of how this works and that you can read the other graphics that way. Next slide, please. So of course, as Derek pointed out earlier, this over 5.6 million Shaker powered alerts were delivered during this event. And of course the bulk were through Google Android and then also a really large number by My Shake. The distinction that this has, I think, and I'm not sure if Derek mentioned it or not was that this is actually the greatest number of alerts that have been delivered ever in the history of this system. And so that's something to interesting. Of course, the area that was involved was the highly populated region of Southern California. So it's no doubt that we a lot there. Just something about our messages, of course, WIA messages are designed to be short and sweet and to get right to the point. Also what helps is we're limited to 90 characters because we wanna appeal to all phones, not just smartphones, but actually it works out for the best because people know what to do right away and to drop cover and hold on. So good stuff. Also just to note too that on our event pages, you'll see this tile or pin as it's referred to as well with the green circle with the exclamation point inside the triangle. Click on that and you'll get information about how the Shaker system performed during these events. Next slide, please. So this is a very busy slide. All I wanna show you here is a distinction because I think when you talk about people not getting alerts and the punchline of this talk is actually one of the last slides. But just to give you a sense of what the USGS does on the left in the light green, all of the stuff that happens within the Shaker system from earthquake detection to data processing and then ventral production of the Shaker message, which is that data package that contains all the information about the estimates, about location, size and also shaking intensities. We hand that off to the iPods portal and then that system does something with it. So in the case of the Ohio earthquake around five and a half seconds between earthquake detection and when the first Shaker message was published. And I really like to point out the fact that, well, it wasn't really five and a half seconds because we don't know the earthquake is happening until it reaches the surface. So it was at a depth of about three miles. So it took about a second for those first seismic waves to reach a surface. So we're actually doing better than it shows. We're on like four and a half seconds. But then of course, the iPods has to chew on it for a little bit. So that takes, took a couple of seconds in that case that information we got from the system. And of course, then what they do is they hand it off to the telecommunication providers to get the information out to cell phones. And so we, and actually I have a slide. I don't know if I'll have time to get to it because I know we're running a little bit over time or I've been counting the time here. So I don't want to take too much extra time but we also have this for IELTEN as well. Anyway, so that's a piece here to know kind of how long things take through the process, next slide please. So this is sort of the punchline folks. This is the question that was asked when I met with Derek and Sam about what to talk about today. People are saying, well, I'm in the same room with my partner or whoever. And I got the alert but he didn't or whatever. And so there are a number of factors. And this is an ongoing discussion. This is not something we're coming with completely all the answers. We've done a lot of studying of this but there's still a lot of work to be done. Everything from settings on the phone may have been either intentionally or unintentionally disabled. And that happens all the time. And we know this because we've actually talked to people who said, oh yeah, I shut off my emergency alerts. That's why I didn't get the alert on my phone. Or I didn't finish setting up my shake on my phone so I didn't get the alert or something along those lines. There's also messages arriving sort of broken that they're not quite complete. And so they won't be displayed on the phone. There might have been some processing errors on the phone itself. And it could be a factor of its age and the type of phone involved. The person receiving the, potentially receiving the alert might have had a drop in cell service. And so there was a momentary drop and they didn't get the alert. Also this whole thing about resend cycle this is actually an important piece is that the phone could have missed the first alert. Now something like this happened to me when we did a wea test in San Diego. I was down, we were underground and we were doing a wea test. This was back in 2019. I actually worked closely with Cal OES on this. And when I was underground I did not get the initial wea alert on my phone because I was underground. But when I went to the surface I caught the resend cycle and I got the alert on my phone. So this resend cycle, if you missed the first one but then you're there for the second one you actually will get the second one. So it appears that you got it really late. And that was one of the issues that shows up here. So the recent intervals that are involved for these alerts vary from carrier to carrier. Again, these are all areas that we want to continue to look into. If the end user, the person receiving the alert was in motion they could have moved out of the alert area. So, you know, you see that the, in the case of this, the MMI for polygon for this event was kind of close to Long Beach. If you'd like maybe drove a little bit farther south into Fullerton or you're on the 405 and driving into Orange County then you may have driven outside of the alerting area. So that's something that could have happened as well. And then we have this thing called a wea role around not disturbing you while you're on a data session. And the idea is that you don't necessarily want to get this blaring alert on your phone while you're talking to somebody it's very loud and very disturbing. I mean, it's meant to do that. And so we're not really clear what this means. It's likely during a phone call but what breaks through may vary from carrier to carrier. So this isn't a lot of quantitative information about what these are the sorts of things that we're hearing about. I also, we spend a lot of time on social media trying to figure out what people's experiences are and why there may not be getting alerts on their phones. This is all stuff that we're continuing to look into. And this is why we do so much social science around ShakeAlert. I don't know if I have any more time to talk but there's a next slide. We did two tests in 2019, one in West Oakland, another one in San Diego. I mean, the one thing that is not, that I didn't show in the slide about the process is that how long it actually takes to get to the phones. We know that the handoff to the cell carriers takes and the delivery takes a little bit of time and that varies. But one thing we learned from the two tests we did in West Oakland and all of San Diego County. This was in San Diego County, it was in June of 2019. We know that alert delivery time to get to phones actually get something on their phones just once from when we accept the information to when it gets to phones is on the order of something for a four to five seconds. So that means once the ShakeAlert message is uploaded to the iPods gateway and then something gets to phones that could be in the order of four to five seconds based on these studies. But again, these studies were done back in 2019 and I think it's certainly merits the fact that we need to do more. I'll stop there because I realize Doug and I took more time than we should have but thank you for the extra time and we'll wait for questions later. Thank you, appreciate your attention. We still have some time for questions. Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Bob. Director Ward, would you like to provide any questions or comments? No, just thank you. Got a lot of incoming as you can imagine with those. So that this really helped me kind of understand the whole process and understand it. So I really appreciate that. Thank you. Our pleasure. Thank you very much. Chief Deputy or Deputy Director Nisha. Do any board members wish to ask a question or provide comment in the room or virtually? If you are a board member online, please unmute yourself at this time. I have a question. Amina Zaffer from the UC. I have a question about the alert cause. So I understand it's to account for maybe an overestimation at the start. What if the estimation is accurate? Does it limit who it gets notified to? It depends on the size of the actual earthquake. There is a penalty or a cost to limiting the first alert in that if you limited, you know, it's at 100 kilometers. If there's somebody 101 kilometers away, they didn't get it. They would have gotten it sooner, perhaps had that alert not been or that pause not in place. But there are a number of arguments that it makes more sense to do it than not, including the fact that, well, earthquakes take time to grow anyway. In the first five seconds, the rupture will not have proceeded into a massive earthquake that would have allowed us to recognize it and alert to a larger area faster anyway. We actually ran multiple scenarios with different limits for different earthquake sizes. And we chose the values we did as the optimal alert radius and pause time. So you're right to point out that, yes, there could essentially be a five second delay, for example, introduced immediately outside that 100 kilometer area. But the point is to get people alerted who are closest to the earthquake and most likely to be hurt by it. Okay, thank you. Yeah, hi, this is Jeff Tony in San Diego. I had a question regarding the actual tests on the day of the shakeout. There was a location given of San Francisco. Was that by design? Did you mean to put a location, specific location in the test or not? I think that's a question that our colleagues that you see Berkeley probably can answer related to the decision of what the test actually appeared like. So I'm not trying to pass a buck here, but I think it's probably a question they need to answer. Yeah, that was not a system alert that was specific to my shake. Okay, I would just caution that in the future to them. Just given it's a test may cause some confusion for the public. I'm pretty sure they have gotten that message from other quarters and we'll consider that in the future. Thanks. Yes, this is the distinction between what the USGS does and what our technical partners do is that in the case of the my shake test that was done is that there is level decision making that's done by the partner to decide how and what terms they do the test under. So, yeah. Thank you. And we'll hear more from our team from UC Berkeley later in the meeting today. Once again, thank you, Doug and Bob. Any additional questions from the board? Being none, we'll now move into sector-based implementation updates with a presentation by Robert Cides of the Regatta Seaside Condominiums who is here to tell us about the journey to implement EEW into their high-rise building. Good afternoon, everybody and thank you for having me. I wanted to start off with thanking all of you guys on behalf of a community of 500 people. We're excited to have this technology. We're excited to have adopted it before anybody else. And although we've not had the opportunity to use it, thankfully, and I hope we don't before I retire even, it's comforting to know that we do have it. So thank you for that. And I also wanna thank Sam personally. She offered a lot of help as I was getting this ready and she was very responsive. And so you guys have a real keeper there in Sam. She's a great person. You know, when I walked into the building, I came up from, flew up from LA today and a lot of people comment on my Avengers cover of my iPad and I walked into the building and there's all these security things and people walking me through automatic doors, Zulu time up on the wall. I felt like I walked into sort of the agents of shields. And so anyway, it's been quite an adventure coming in here. If anybody comes up to me after my talk and says Hill Hydra, I'm gonna get a little concerned though. But anyway, my building, I just wanna talk about how we, a residential high rise, 224 units, how we adopted this technology, why we did it, what it has provided for us as a benefit. And then also perhaps talk a little bit and give you some advice. And then of course offer my services to help you down the line if there's anything I can do. Regatta was, as far as I know, the first residential high rise in the nation to tie into the system and have earthquake early warning. We were very excited about doing that. We're happy to be a partner with you guys and we've always felt that way. And so let's get started here and we'll start working our way into it. Back in 2016, a very large insurance broker in the industry knew that Regatta was very forward thinking, very tech savvy. And so he heard a presentation from somebody, I'm not even sure who when he gave me a call and he said, hey Robert, you guys might wanna look into this. You're in LA, you're kind of in sort of the target zone and it's something that you can wrap your mind around. And I thought, why not? You know, it was a pretty exciting thing to hear about. And as we started to look into it, we started to see some possibilities. And of course the bottom line, we'll get to some of the benefits of it here in a minute, but it could be very substantial when it comes to preventing injuries or saving lives and things like that. So we were really aggressively jumping into it at that point. We had already partnered with some other technology companies. We sort of helped pioneer a water sensing program and a few other things like that. So we have probably one of the best engineers on the West Coast that I brought from Hawaii with me. And so we were capable of looking at this. And then we have a board that's been very supportive of some of these issues that, you know, it's gonna be one of your hurdles, I think, is getting behind these community boards that may not be able to wrap their minds around it. And so in that regard, I would be a big supporter. And I think once you can break through that ice, I think you can probably get this technology adopted a little more. Okay, we can move to the next slide. Little foundational information, we've got a seaside. We have 18, 19 floors, four sub floors. We're a post-tension concrete building. It's a pretty solid building. We're right at the edge of Marina Del Rey. As far as we know, we don't have any vaults that are underneath us, but we are in obviously an area that is a big concern. The marina is a beautiful place, but we're also these, we got all this, a Lucobon and glass out there. And as we know from the Northridge experience, glass can be a problem. Could be a big injury creating item. And so we have a building that, although it's perhaps not susceptible to collapsing if you want to call that, the ultimate, but we do have some areas of concern. And we'll talk about a few of those here in a few moments. But we also have a very expansive group of amenities. Not only do we have a wonderful community full of individuals and most these units are occupied, most by homeowners, some by renters, but we also have screening rooms and pools and all that kind of stuff. I like to say I came out of the hotel industry. I like to say that it's kind of like run like a hotel, but it's a homeowner's association, which is pretty cool actually. And so anyway, if we can move on to the next slide, we'll start digging into this, but we look at risk management. We have one of the best risk managers in the nation, if not the best. And we take problems much like earthquake would be and we try to analyze it in three different phrases. What can we do ahead of time? What can we do during and then what do we do post? And how do we, you know, fix things or pick up the pieces so to speak afterwards? And so you'll see that in some of these, we'll talk about some of the experts that we bring to bear because at Regatta, we don't just kind of jump out nearly really. We try to find the best experts we can to get going. And I'll start off here. You'll see image cat with Bill Graff. He's our property engaged image cat to come in and give us a seismic report, which I'm happy to share with anybody. And what he did is he dug into the engineering, the location and gave for God and our board sort of a sense of what would happen in certain earthquake incidences. And so we wanted to analyze, you know, what our risk was. And so he was able to generate, you know, what do we expect in a 500 year event or a thousand year event and things like that. And we incorporated that into our sort of thinking on how we're going to deal with earthquake. Of course, foundationally before that, we also hired Asperda, which is John Nixon to come in and tell us, hey, what's our building worth? Where are we there? What's at risk? And so we had, he uses some pretty advanced algorithms to figure out what our building is worth. Right now he says we're 240 million. And last year it was 180 million. So as you can see, construction costs have gone up incrementally or exponentially probably. And so we also did that if we could go to the next expert here. Okay, the Clifford Trees is without a doubt probably the best risk manager for community associations in the nation. And we just, I just happened to know him from my association back in Hawaii where I came from. And we were able to hire him as our risk consultant. So he sort of oversees a lot of this and sort of tells us where to go and how to go about it. Cliff was also interestingly, he wrote most of the books on risk management for community associations. So it's kind of nice to have that important expert behind us, somebody that you guys might want to reach out to at some point. And he's very forward thinking on these things. And so he's been a great help to us at Regatta and help kind of pull everything together as we got, as we started to see what earthquake early warning can do for us. We can go to the next one. And then we also have a very good broker, our insurance broker, which kind of deals more with the, after the event type deal, Kevin Miller, a lion insurance is probably the largest commercial broker for earthquake and catastrophic risk in California. And so most properties you'll find, and this is another hurdle for you as a board is, most will go to a insurance broker and say, just give us what we need. We don't know what we're doing. And so, and then the broker brings it to him. Whereas at Regatta, we try to dig into there and find out, what are we getting? What can we get? What can we tell them to bring us? For example, at Regatta with our broker with Clifford Trees is sort of the overhead. We started to get things like non-owned debris removal tsunami coverage and things like that. And so it's a more holistic effort when it comes to the earthquake. And then finally, I think we have one more. Yeah, early warning labs. And Josh Basham is our contact there. And he's the one that actually brought this technology to us and actually made it easy for us to implement. And so we were very happy to have Josh. And so we go to the next slide. So the challenge was, of course, our location, Southern California. It's a place that's right in the middle of risk. Although Regatta is strong and stable, we all know that the seismic waves can be amplified in a high-rise setting. We haven't had a big shaker since we put the system in in 2016. But I do know that, I call it the Easter earthquake of whenever 2010 or 11 or whatever, when everybody's pools were sloshing in LA, our post-tension building was swaying. And you could see it, especially from the top floors. And I live on the top floor of a neighboring building. I could see it from there as well. And so I'm not sure what it is about the construction, but it does amplify it, or at least it felt like that as a homeowner. Regatta has some unique and potentially dangerous designs just specific to us. We have this huge glass atrium over our lobby. And you can imagine with the front desk right under that. That's probably not where you wanna be if a big earthquake comes. This was a very expensive thing that the developer put in. And one of the things I have as the manager of this community, a lot of comfort in, is knowing that if we can get our staff that's there moved before the shake starts, then they're in a safer location. And so that's one item that's just really particular to our building that I really worry about, not to mention all the glass out there. If you're outdoors out at the base of Regatta on the exterior. And unfortunately, people, earthquake comes, they think we're run outside. We're training people, no, no, you don't run outside, run inside and get under something, hold on and just take care of yourself that way. And then finally, we also worry about, we have a large contingent of our community that is elderly. And however you wanna define elderly, but we have people all the way up to the 90s. And as those of you may know, I'm in my 60s, as you get a little older, you get a little more unstable. And so we do have concerns about folks getting in a protected and a safe location because if the shake happens and they're up and about, then there could be some real catastrophic results from that. And especially if somebody's out on a balcony, you can imagine being out there and then the handrail might hold them in or whatever. So we worry about that. These were the challenges we were looking at. And of course the opportunity for us at Regatta was, it gave us a chance to get everybody into a safe location or at least theoretically, right? Depending on the amount of warning we have, but as we'll see in a moment, once the alert is triggered, then it goes through the entire building, goes into everybody's units, goes into the common areas. If you are anywhere in Regatta, unless you're sitting in your car or listening to your favorite radio station or something, you will hear the alert and you'll have an ability to sort of get yourself in a safe spot. And so that was one good thing that we have looking for us. But we also, the other thing is, is that it can give us an opportunity to continually train, not just the staff, but the homeowners. And so one thing that the county, the state does really well is train for fire. We're always having fire drills mandated every year in Reg 4, but we don't really have a lot of the mandated stuff for earthquake. So that's something that perhaps needs to be looked into, but this gives us an opportunity by having the early warning to come in and start training people, training the staff, training the homeowners. And that's been a very, very good thing. And then it also, the other thing that's really nice about it is that it's just, it can also shut and turn off things and turn on things and stuff like that. By that, I mean, it could recall elevators before the shaking actually starts. Right now, the technology is just to recall when the shaking starts, wouldn't it be nice to have them already recall before it starts shaking. As many of you know from Northridge, a lot of people got trapped in subterranean garages. This can open our gates. We do have an earthquake sensor on our gas, but it's nice to have a double sensor there. And we're looking at other things that we may potentially be able to do with this because it's a pretty simple technology. And once it kicks in, we might look at some water things, turn off the water, you know, because we understand, whoops, sorry, the shaking of the building may in fact break water pipes. And that's really the bane of our existence in any high-rise community is water oftentimes. And so if that gets going, that's just a real catastrophe. So anyway, if we can move to the next slide. So what we did, and thankfully it was brought to us early on was, you know, we just needed to find the right partner. And in this case, in our case, and I understand there's more than just early warning labs, but Josh Basham came to the table. He was, I guess you guys call him an LTO, licensed to operate, and he made it very easy for us. And that's something that I think probably needs to go out to other communities. This is not hard to implement, you know? And in fact, it's almost easy, it's too easy in a way. So, but I wanna mention that it's nothing to be afraid of and it's very easy to bring in. And so early warning labs kind of came in, interfaced with our community as communities do. We oftentimes don't make quick decisions. And so a lot of people don't wanna, a lot of contractors and whatnot don't wanna deal with HOAs because well, we're HOAs, right? We gotta listen to it five times before we do something. And it took us about five months from the original discussion to actually implementing it. I think that took a little longer than it would have otherwise, but a lot of that was because we were sort of a pilot, you know? So we had to sign all this paperwork to, you know, and all that good stuff early on that probably doesn't need to be done now. But after the onsite meetings, you know, we developed a plan, we started putting it in motion, we installed it, it's basically a little black box in our fire control room. Just to be about the size of a DVR, now it's probably size of a modem. There's really not much to it. And so the installation was kind of plug and play. We have that great engineer I was talking about, he was able to interface on this. So we were able to get it rolling without any problems, plugging it into our fire control system, which is really what was the main thing so we could get the announcements out there. And so anyway, and the cost for us right now is $12,000 a year. So that's what we pay to have the earthquake early warning. When you factor that or compare it to the half a million or so we spend for an annual premium on earthquake insurance, that's really a drop in the bucket, right? So, but it's probably a, you know, maybe a hurdle for a lot of properties. So I just want to mention that and, you know, maybe you'll have to work on it from the state side to get some subvening of that. Implementation details, as I mentioned, the box is very easy to put in the fire control room. We have its own little shelf and it's sitting there monitored by shake, by not shake alert by Josh Basham. We get emails every now and then, hey, it went offline for some reason, you need to go check it out and we'll go bring it back up. And right now we have it set to trigger at the MMI of four. So that's our trigger point. Now we've had a lot of internal discussions on that because, you know, at one point it's kind of nice to get people used to it, but you don't want them to be getting what they think are false alerts. So we're trying to find the nice midpoint on that. And then our staff, we've had to develop a training program for them so that they know what to do when this goes off. You know, not only do they have to get up and leave the front desk or depending on maybe engineers in the building or as oftentimes happens when something happens in a catastrophe, it usually happens at two in the morning on Christmas Eve, right? So we have to train people what to do for our 24 seven staff and we hope some of that goes by osmosis to our homeowners. We train them continually. And so anyway, that's, and we've done that since we've installed the system. We go to the next one and this will show you or give you an example of what our warning sounds like. Test on earthquake. So I don't want to say it's as obnoxious as a fire warning, but we want it as noticeable as a fire warning. And so if you're sitting in your unit at Regatta, you know, reading the newspaper or whatever you're doing, watching the Netflix or YouTube, you're going to hear that. And when it's triggered, it's triggered and it's going, everybody on the property is going to hear it. And so that's the goal. Everybody seemed to be very receptive to having that. So as of right now, the homeowners, although oftentimes they don't think of it, those that do are glad it's there. And that's a nice comfort for them. So anyway, some of the benefits to having the earthquake early warning for us as a community association is really just to save lives and prevent injury. And that's really the bottom line, right? And I mean, we have all these ancillary things that help us, but, you know, at the end of the day, we want to make sure everybody's safe and as much as we can. And that should be the goal. And I think presumably is, for most homeowners associations throughout the state, it's just a matter of getting your foot in the door and getting it going. We believe, we haven't had a chance to really use it yet in a big quake, but we do believe that we'll probably have enough warning time, especially if it's a catastrophic one from San Andreas or something like that. I mean, there's other faults in LA. I'm not an expert, you guys are. But we're hopeful that for whatever the big one is, however you want to define that, that we'll have enough time to actually react and get into safe locations and safe places. Will everybody cooperate? Perhaps not. Will everybody believe the warning? Perhaps not, like the fire warning, you know? But for those that do, it's a great tool for safety, just a straight route to safety. And so anyway, and then we also, as I mentioned, we have a fair amount of elderly people in our building, so it's real important that we get them down. We can't have them walking around. And so that's another benefit to this and hopefully that gets through. We just keep training annually when we do our fire trainings. And then also, as I mentioned earlier, we want to get people out of really risk zones, which is under that big atrium. If they're out in the pool, they can get in if there's enough time. If they're sitting valets out in front under all the glass of the building, come in, get in a secure location, hold on, get under something and hold on. And so I know as a manager, that brings me a lot of comfort knowing that we have the ability to warn everybody. So we mentioned a few minutes ago about automating things. We have the ability to do the shutoffs. We're looking, we're having difficulties. And I mentioned that previously, getting the county to sort of understand the technology behind the elevators. We haven't been able to implement the elevator portion. And that's unfortunate, but we wanna do that because that's just common sense. Let's pull the elevator down before there's a shake. But for some reason, everybody's kinda got whatever the technology is there in their mind. So we need to break through that and maybe you guys can help us with that a little bit. And as far as opening gates, we have a trigger gates and get those open as well. This does offer us, as I mentioned, the platform to train everybody. That's almost as critical as having it because people don't think of it. It's funny, it's sort of like any risk measure. It's kind of hard to analyze it until you've been through it. And so we're out here sort of, we're the band, so to speak, ahead of the parade. But we're always trying to get people to think about it. And if they haven't experienced one in a while, perhaps that's something that's out of sight out of mind. So this training gives us a chance to keep going back and hitting them with it. Now me personally, growing up in Southern California, I've been through a few shakers and I was in Hawaii when we had that big one from the Big Island. I was on Maui actually. And in a house that wasn't post-tension concrete, it was probably called a post-tension wood in Lahaina, which unfortunately is gone now. The house is gone. But anyway, when we had that close to a seven, I think incident back in October of one year, I was up to watch some football and then the whole house started doing this number. What's a homeowner do? I ran outside and then I remember my expensive piece of art on a high shelf. So I run back in to catch it when it comes down. But anyway, the things that people do during earthquakes, that kind of taught me a little bit about, you need to think about it ahead of time. And so we try to get the homeowners to do that. And then there's one last value at that I wanna throw out there that you guys maybe can, I don't know if you can quantify it, but it's something you can certainly mention is we had a homeowner leave a neighboring building and move into our building because we had the earthquake early warning. And she felt much more secure because we analyzed the risk, we dealt with the risk, we insured for the risk, and we also have the warning. And she was a single individual and in fact, she's on a news report where they spoke to her and she says, I went there because of what they did with the early warning. And so there's a level of comfort for that. And so we could go to the next slide. So here's some ideas. I don't know where you guys will go with it, but certainly I've offered myself to help however I can, but how can Cal OES help? Well, community outreach, and that's probably a difficult thing to think about because you have tens of thousands of community associations in the state. Clearly there's ones in San Francisco, LA, other places that are probably more prioritized for whatever reason, but to reach out to that, I think that you can start looking at, we have a couple of different entities that deal directly with us as the homeowners association. Once CAI, which is a national organization, Community Association Institute, of which I'm a member in our building is, and then also CACM, which is a statewide organization. They all have regular meetings, they have training, they have education. I would encourage you guys as a board to reach out to those folks. There's eight sectors of CAI you can go to and just say, hey, I wanna get out and talk to you guys. Can I do a luncheon? Can I speak to you? Or maybe you create some video, I'm not sure. But, and with everybody on Zoom nowadays, maybe that's a good thing to do is create a sort of an intro that defines the targets that you guys are working with, whether it's a community association, a commercial building, a rail or whatever, that may be something that you guys can look at. But let's see, what else? I already mentioned the elevator stuff. There's legislative options. I'm not sure that this technology, and then this is not being a naysayer, but I mean, I think we get so caught up on sometimes a minutia in Sacramento, maybe this thing has such benefit. If we can get the legislature behind it and say, like your fire system, just put it in. You gotta do it. And at least for high rises, maybe a house or a large scale community that just a bunch of individual houses not, the phone will work, right? But for something like this, I think a key and critical item to look at. And with 50,000 homeowners associations, California alone, you got your work cut out for you, right? And I don't know how many, for years, I was saying we were the only residential high rise in the nation tied into the early warning. I hope there's some more, but I have not heard about much. So anything I can do to help you reach out to that, I'm certainly happy to do. And as I mentioned, that CAI and CACM, that would probably be critical when it comes to homeowners association. Extremely critical. So keep that in mind and I can put you in touch with people there. As far as insurers go, there's probably just a handful and getting to be less of insurers that handle these big properties in California. But if you can get them on board, I know a lion now who is our broker has gone out and spoke to other properties of a similar profile to ours and said, hey, if you looked into this, you should call Robert. I talked to some people over the phone. I don't know if it's been implemented elsewhere in say the Wilshire Corridor in LA or whatever. And then finally, maybe it comes down to money. There's some kind of incentive, maybe we're offset to the cost or the annual cost or something. We're all used to paying to keep our fire systems up. Well, why aren't we just in the same vein doing it with earthquake? It just makes a lot of sense, right? And so for us at Regatta, kind of pulling everything back full circle, we are just thrilled to be in partnership with you guys on this thing. We are hopeful that it would, well, we're confident actually that it would have a big benefit to us in an event and especially a catastrophic big event. And as I mentioned earlier, with the early during and after, I mean, clearly we're even working on things right now. I was on the phone yesterday dealing with a structural engineer about engaging him for after the event. So I'll have him on retainer. But when it comes to the early part and the during part, I mean, really what else can you do? And so this is just tremendous help. And so I was thrilled to come up and participate in this and I'm willing to answer any questions on why we've done it. We've been there for seven, eight years now, right? Well, thank you, Robert. That was really wonderful. I have a question though. You mentioned at the very beginning of your presentation that you had kind of a tough road to get your board kind of, their minds kind of wrapped around the need. What specifically was the contention with the board members? Was it money? Was it just not understanding the technology and the benefit of the technology or what specifically could you help us with in terms of understanding the kind of reluctance of the board up front? Well, you know, I like to say that I had a board meeting yesterday. So here I am in another board meeting and as I say in HOAs, it's the board meeting is a descriptor or a definition of most of the people in my audience, you know? But anyway, money. I think that the, my board is pretty tech forward. So, you know, you might run into that roadblock and other places or speed bump for us, it was not. It was really the money. And right now it's probably been triply difficult because all of us HOAs, not only are we dealing with higher labor costs and construction costs and, you know, we don't do deferred maintenance. We fix things as we go, but just yesterday I put out 40 grand. We got approved in a special board meeting for something. And so the boards are always trying to be good stewards of the money. And so that's where I think if you could get a hook, if you can somehow hook them with the money and say, look, this is gonna be, we're partnering with you. Here's a little bit of whatever the state, either whether it's a, you know, associated cost deduction and something else or you're partnering in on the price. For us, our building can clearly afford 12 grand a year. It's no big, well, I don't say it's no big deal. Every penny counts obviously. But it was money was our big thing. Any board members wish to ask a question or provide comment in the room or virtually? If you're a board member online, please unmute yourself at this time. Please note we've provided a discussion question or a spark conversation, but the board may raise any questions or comments related to the subject. Board member Pepper, you may ask your question. Great, thank you. And thank you so much for this presentation. It was really interesting. And I'm happy to hear, you know, how successful you have been thus far. I had a question about the elevator recall issue. We are currently working on a study around how to integrate the system with airports and the elevator recall is one that's just, you know, in my mind and in kind of our conversations event that you would of course recall of the elevators as soon as the alert goes off. Do you think that was what you're saying is that a financial issue? Is that something that you just need to do more with education and exposure to the system? Were there certain arguments that you got pushed back on and talking about that particular issue? I guess I'm just looking for some additional direction if you have it. Sure, sure, happy to. You know, actually the elevator recall was something that was probably one of the things early on that we felt was the biggest benefit. Once you've had an elevator and somebody stuck in it, you realize how critical that can be and especially if it's for any degree of time. We also find that homeowners from the most part, that's one of the biggest fears in stuck in an elevator. So in our case, we have our elevator contractor is Mitsubishi, one of the larger companies in the state. And we went to them and said, we're gonna hook it up. And now we don't have the ability to actually access their system. You know, it's not that it's proprietary that we don't own it, but they kind of control the gig there. And they then said they were gonna take it to the city or county or whoever it is to make sure they can do it. And we're told that we couldn't do it. And ironically, that's such a benefit to this system that early on when we adopted this technology, we were on news reports all, we were on Good Morning America, we were on European things. I mean, it was crazy. I was on all over the world on the screen, so to speak. And we always showed the elevator recall as a benefit, but we have not been able to get the approval to hook it up. So when I spoke to Josh last week about doing this presentation, he said he may have a workaround. I don't know what that is, but I think that's one of the biggest, probably from a homeowner's perspective gonna be one of their biggest safety points. So education may be the answer there. Maybe it needs some statutory thing, I don't know. But I know we would do it in a heartbeat if we can just get the okay for Mitsubishi to do it. And we want to do it. We wanna do it yesterday if we could. And so, and I'm willing to help you guys work through it. If we're the ones that, hey, let's carry this through from our God and see what we hit, happy to do it. Just get me in touch and interface me. Was there a reason given by the city to Mitsubishi about why they wouldn't allow them to do that? You know, my feeling was they didn't get too specific, but my feeling was that like any type of bureaucratic and or, you know, code issue, there's sort of a hesitancy to do something different. And even though, as I was mentioning at that time, I'm like, well, we can keep the old system going. We're gonna recall it before it even needs to be called with the sensors. Just let us plug this one in. Keep your other one going as a backup, you know? And we didn't get any headway there. And so I think maybe some of that is, and you guys probably know what more than I do, but I think sometimes people get stuck in silos and I suspect in the government, it's probably that way. I know when I was in Hawaii, I was, you know, we had the Department of Health and we had the Department of Land and Natural Resources, both dealing with beach issues. And I created a nonprofit to do beach replenishment. I was the first guy to ever get the two to be getting the same room together. Everybody's in their silos. And I think maybe it's a little bit of that silo mentality. So whatever you can do to assist us, hey, I'm all in. Curious perhaps, and I'm speaking completely outside my knowledge base, but there might be some testing or something that needs to happen and how the system may work with like a fire system if there's concern about any sort of contingent on kind of another system that would also recall the elevator, some other emergency system. So... Who may be hitting the... I'll add a little bit more. Yeah, I think you're hitting the nail on the head. I think if I were say regulator for lack of a better term, I don't know that I would just want this technology. I'd probably want that back up because what if there's a problem as we see, you know, what if the internet's down and it doesn't do it, right? And that's your only recall. So I think it needs to be sort of both of them. I think have whatever the existing technology is in there and then have this one kind of overriding and bring it in sooner. So that's my thoughts anyway. Hi, Lauren is your deputy director at Cal OES. I wanna go back to two of the benefits that you touched on. You spoke both about insurance and real estate value. And one of the... We've seen both of these kind of come to the point where they accept and reward, if you will, the benefit with regard to the physical seismic retrofits and we are hoping the same thing will happen with earthquake early warning. You know, if a homeowner or a building is seismically retro, I'm sorry, gets earthquake early warning, then they can see their insurance costs come down, they see their real estate values go up. And I'm just wondering, since you've had this now for a couple of years, are you seeing that with not only the corporation but the individual homeowners? Is there insurance coming down because of this or are there property values going up? Okay, the best I can answer that is, you know, as I mentioned earlier, we're probably an exception to the rule in the sense that our community association really digs into risk management. What that means is when we go to the underwriters or when the broker goes to the underwriter annually, since we purchase earthquake insurance, and that's where it would show up, obviously. We prepare essentially a 400 page packet that we market the property to them. And what's the first thing we lead with? Earthquake early warning. And when I talk to our broker, when you start looking at sort of large catastrophic risk, I can't speak as an insurance person that's experienced, but it sounds to me like that there's a little bit of voodoo involved. You know, it's kind of how they're feeling that day, who you speak to, what do they feel is important, right? And, but I can tell you this, it's been a real, talking to Kevin Miller, our broker, he said the earthquake early warning gives them a lot of assurance that even if, even if they can't get their minds around what it does, that we're digging in and managing. And so I think unequivocally it has saved us, although this last year was extremely difficult. It was the first year that we had to move off of, move off the needle. We had 100% insurance for, as long as I've been there, I've been there 15 years. We actually had to go down to a measured amount for a, you know, an expected earthquake. So for somebody to do that, because where we were getting $180 million insurance a year before, we were only able to get 50 million now with a deductible that's half that. Whereas before we were 5% deductible for 180 million. Insurance markets have seized that much, that most homeowners associations, we chose not to do that. It was a political decision, obviously and a money decision because our premium would have gone from 500,000 a year to over a million dollars a year. And so we were telling you, we're kind of sounding out to homeowners, say, look, you want to spend a couple hundred bucks more to have full earthquake coverage. Quite honestly, I'd have done it as a homeowner if they asked me, I'm in. But most of them were, you know, it was kind of mixed, probably a third, third type situation. But to answer your question, I think it does help for those that'll actually have a broker that'll mention it. But that gets to the education of the broker, right? And in our case, you know, the broker is kind of amazed with Clip Treese's overview and then what we do to sort of manage our risk. But that's one of your hurdles, sir. That's one of the things you need to get to. As far as the individual homeowner, we're not, we've not heard anything there. And it's the same with our water technology, right? We have a bigger risk of water, you know, and vertical community. Water starts up on the 18th floor, I guess where it's going. That's going to happen on Christmas Eve at one in the morning, right? And take out every unit below it. And we now have 3,000 water sensors in our building that are monitored from our front desk. So whenever there's water, boom, we're responding to it. And so, but you would think that that would get homeowners a discount on their personal policies. And as far as I know, it hasn't yet. So there needs to be some looking at this from the insurance side, but in their defense, there's probably not enough people doing it to get them to think about it. Well, thank you very much for this presentation. And it was very, very helpful. And truly our hope is that we get more building owners and homeowners associations that have the same thoughts you do and adopt. And then we can really work on those insurers to get the cost down. Well, if you go to the legislature, I'm there with you. Just give me a call. I'll come up and talk with you. That would be great. Thankfully, we don't have the after the event experience, but at some point, I'm sure we will. It's not a matter of if it's when, right? So anyway, thank you guys. And thank you for being my partner in this really. Thank you so much. And thank you, Sam, for everything you did. Congratulations, that's great. Robert, thank you. We would like to share that as a team, we are a small team, but we are working towards many of the ideas that you've pushed out and we appreciate your presentation. And one of the benefits of having such a diverse advisory board is we look forward to working with you all to figure out how we can work together to address some of these policy issues that are coming about. Well, I can tell you on Regatta's side and my side personally, anything that can mitigate risk, I'm all for. So anyway, thank you guys. And Robert, one last thing before you go, if you thought this room was impressive with our time, I'm gonna have my aid in the back with his hand up, walk you over to our state operations center. Oh, I'd love to see that. I'd love to see it. Okay, great, thank you so much. Thanks. Great idea. All right, we will move to the next item on the agenda, research and development, where our partners at UC Berkeley will present on an exciting project they have been working on. With that, I would like to introduce Julianne Marti, the operations manager with the Berkeley Seismology Lab. Julianne, before we get into the presentation, would it be possible to have you start by revisiting the test alert that was sent out on ShakeOut Day on October 19th? Thank you, Derek. And sure. Yeah, sure, I'm happy to talk about that and then to move on to the presentation. So every year, My Shake participates to the Great ShakeOut drill, in coordination with CaloES and other partners in order for people to practice life-saving actions. So the plan was to send the test alert at 10.19 a.m. on October 19th. And so prior to the day of the ShakeOut drill, My Shake successfully sent a number of patients with user base to inform them about the upcoming test. We also extensively tested the delivery of test alert to all our beta, I mean, I should say alpha and beta devices. And however, to get to implement some last minute changes to the code in order to take into account some user feedback that we had received very recently about some very, to solve issue with some very specific types of operating system and devices. And when implementing those last minute changes, we miss one testing step which made that the alert, the test alert was delivered earlier than initially planned. After that, we since many partners, they were ready to practice life-saving actions at 10.19 exactly. We made the decision in coordination with CaloES to still deliver the alert at 10.19 in order for these actions to happen. Maybe I could add that at no point in time, the capability of My Shake to deliver a real alert for, I mean, a real-time alert for a real earthquake that's two completely different system, the live system and the test system. And also the fact that, of course, we have already reviewed the test alert and they have already been modified too much. I could also answer to the question about why the alert, a message mentioned, the test alert message mentioned an earthquake. Work with different user groups and the feedback that we had received was that they wanted to feel that this test alert was for as real as possible, Earthscore. So some user group mentioned that they wanted to have a location for the Earthscore, have a different location. However, after the test alert, the 10.19 one, we're back that then, yes, people have maybe doesn't exist. I'm not sure at this stage what's the best. I think, you know, when you have a very large user groups, we have almost three million, which you will have always different opinions. That's not the only topic where we have to find a good compromise, but we have time to discuss that with CaloES until the crash by to find the best compromise. Thank you, Julianne. Before you begin your presentation, please maybe move the mic up a little closer to you. I think you were coming in and out a little bit. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Let me know if you... Yeah, I cannot hear. Okay. I think most of you have a familiar with the MyShake application already. So MyShake is a mobile application that delivers earthquake early warning alerts to users in California and most recently in Oregon and Washington state. That's currently the only statewide earthquake early warning application. It's available on both iOS and Android. As I said, we have close to three million registered users. We also have accumulated more than 200, 10,000 experience reports that were shared by users on how they experience specific earthquakes. And over the last five years, we have issued alerts for more than 90 earthquakes. So one of the mechanism we use to know how successful we are and also to receive that feedback from the users as we just mentioned is to look at comments we receive on the Google store, the app stores, the emails, all the social media. And so I included some of those for the most recent earthquakes we alerted for. I wanted to read some of them, but I think I need glasses. So, but it was just... Yeah, I mean, I think I need glasses in any case, but so yeah, this is just like some of this feedback we receive for really the most recent earthquake we alerted for. One of them is the Ohio earthquake that was mentioned earlier by the USGS. The first one, for example, alerts work. The app alerted me several seconds before the Ohio-California quake today. The second one, I haven't had a chance to properly review this before because there haven't been any earthquakes, but we just had one. And this went off with a notable alert several seconds before we felt the shaking, truly amazing. I'm not gonna read all of them, but for example, the next one worked as intended today. Most of the time I just get alert for earthquakes around the world. Other time about earthquakes nearby with a unique sound, but today I got an alert. I have never heard before, followed by the word earthquake, earthquake then maybe like three seconds later, we get hit from an earthquake in Ohio, which is about 40 miles away. I can see how this would come handy during the big one. Again, great early warning earthquake app worked perfectly yesterday. I recently downloaded this app when prepping for an earthquake. Yesterday was the tropical storm, Hillary. I think that's the case that Bob mentioned earlier. And the app notified me 10 good 10 seconds before the earthquake hit and gave me enough time to get safety and text a friend before I felt it. And I received the amber alert. I think the user means the way alert. And this app gave me valuable time much sooner than the other mechanism. Early alert works, it works, alert receives. So those are just example of the very positive feedback we receive and especially from users mentioning how useful the app was like for them, for their family, needless to, for example, when users say needless to say, I have added your app to all our phones. Next slide. So I mean, I will read this last one because I like it very much. Someone said, I felt like a prophet. I downloaded this app after the last earthquake in my area 20 minutes ago. I got a very clear alert with graphics, earthquake warning, drop cover hold, at the time to read it, hesitate thinking this don't actually work today. And then get out of the bed, yell across the house to my kids before the chandelier started to swing from the quake. But I mean, said the epicenter was a five-five and we are 60 miles away, but I actually hesitated before reacting and still had that much time. Getting everyone in my family on this app and I will not hesitate to react next time. Someone mentioning it would be great if that would work on Apple Watch, but in fact that's already the case. We informed the user about that. And basically one of the reasons I wanted to also highlight all these very positive feedback is I think that this positive feedback should not only go to My Shake, but to the California earthquake warning system in general, My Shake is just the last piece that delivered the notification to the users. But as it was highlighted in the first presentation, there are many other components to that system. I mean, even as UC Berkeley, you saw we contribute to stations with the algorithm. And similarly, we have many other partners that contribute in the same way, like CGS that they're in the room today, Caltech, the USGS and the coordination of Cal OES and the USGS. So I think we should not take this, thank you only for My Shake, but for the system in general. And this is why I wanted to also share that with you. Next slide. So we talk about Watch already. Yeah, so why a desktop app? I think the original idea was to target professional environment. And I think that the original idea, I think we should give credit to Cal OES came from you. And it's true that it's really true that computers, they remain the primary type of work device. I mean, when we say desktop, we also mean laptop, we are talking in terms of computers. And it's also true that those computers usually, I mean, especially desktop, they are part of the building infrastructure, the office infrastructure, they have a fixed location. Usually they have very, very high bandwidth internet. So they are very good device to target. Also, we know that smartphone, I mean, we are working with some institutes and companies and we know that smartphone are forbidden in some work environment, especially lab where you cannot bring a smartphone inside, also for security reasons. And also we are aware that in some infrastructures and especially infrastructure where you have offices in basement, you can have very poor cell coverage. So it's good to have another delivery mechanism or another type of device you can deliver an alert to. Next slide. Yeah, and also what we quickly realized when we start talking about desktop app is that we can also extend to group alert. So right away you can alert all, I mean, a larger group which is around the desktop computer, not only like to, so we can target not only individual, individuals through smartphone, but a larger groups of users. And that was in line also with that objective from Cal OES to target critical sectors like first responders, transportation, government facilities and education. But we also realized that that would allow alerting users who for example, might not have downloaded the My Shake app, because if you have a computer in a store for example, a library, a museum, a restaurant, and then the alert would be triggered and you will hear in this entire location that the nurse wake is coming, then right away you will target again a larger group of people. And we think that especially if that response, I mean that alert is also transmitted through the more regular way of, I mean, system to deliver alert, for example, within schools or airports, we think that there would be an improved public response. You can imagine that in a school, if it comes through the usual alert system or in an airport, then people will react even more than we see, even like in this feedback received from the users that when the alert comes to the smartphone, sometimes users hesitate, is that real, is that working? But if the message will come through an institution, through a local institution, maybe there would be even a better public response. So we, I mean, there is a project by CaloES to bring a nurse wake alert into airports. We thought also that school will be a great target. Next slide, please. First, because there are more than 10,000 public schools in California, more than 5.8 million students and that most children in elementary school, they do not have smartphones. So that's really a public that we cannot, that basically we cannot target with smartphone. And most schools have implemented policies to limit or ban the use of smartphone by student, wildlife school. I know that's the case for my children and there is almost a complete ban in their school for smartphone. I mean, they don't have smartphone in any way. But so that's really a way to try to reach those students. We also thought that if that technology, if the children have their technology on their laptop, then they can bring that technology home. And that would also, another point is that if we involve more of the schools that could allow a broader participation in education effort like the Great Shakeout drill. Next slide, please. Okay, so why Chromebooks? To be honest, I think like five years ago I had never heard about what a Chromebook was. And it's only when my daughter reached first grade that I heard what a Chromebook was. And both my kids now, to be honest, they don't even refer to their laptop as a laptop or computer, they always talk about Chromebooks. They say, I did that with my Chromebook, I did that with this with my Chromebook. So now I'm very well aware about what a Chromebook is. So Chromebooks, they are computers that run Linux-based operating system called ChromeOS. These devices, they are generally budget-friendly, lightweight and user-friendly. And most schools in California have a Chromebook program. When I say most school, we try to look for statistics. Even like four years ago, I think there was already more than 90% of the school where the Chromebook program. And we know that with COVID, this number is even higher now because especially during COVID period, the school district, they purchased like a large amount of Chromebooks to allow for a remote learning. Just to give you an example, we started liaising very preliminary discussion with some school districts. And we were discussing a few weeks ago with a school district and they told us that they currently manage 40,000 Chromebooks, just one school district. So that's really a very large number of devices that we could target just with releasing MyChek for Chromebooks, on Chromebooks, sorry. And of course, another advantage, now we talk mainly about, of course, elementary school, middle school, but there is also, there are also students that will use Chromebooks in high school and even at the university and because of their low cost. And we think that having MyChek on Chromebooks could also allow targeting economically disadvantaged students. Finally, we already have the MyChek working on Android. And there was a possibility to leverage those efforts because the operating system are quite similar between Chrome OS and Android. So of course, you still need to display things differently, et cetera, but that was we could, we didn't have to develop everything from scratch. So that was one also, one of the decision for starting with Chromebooks. I think now I have a few screenshots. Next slide please. So if you're familiar with MyChek, those screens will look very familiar. We just try to, of course, that's a laptop. So the application will be wider. We try to rearrange the different button on the screens. Also, we had to disable some functionality, like because in most Chromebooks, you don't have an accelerometer, which is the case on smartphones. Next slide please. One of the very important feature we kept, of course, is the home base, the possibility to select a location where you will receive an alert in any case. And we think that's very important, of course, for desktop and laptop computer because most of the time those devices are, I mean, even if we think about children, the laptop is usually either at school or at home and usually the two are very close. So it's good to be able to identify or to select an area where you want to be alerted in any case. Next slide please. That just, I mean, this is the feature we tested the most, the alert delivery, of course, that's the most important thing. So what will happen is you will have a pop-up window that will pop out at the bottom of the screen on top of all the other applications that are open, similar, very similar to what you have on cell phones, saying like drop cover hold-on. And again, there will be also a voice that will a notable sound that will inform the user about the alert. Next slide please. I think that's my last slide. Yes, so the plan at this stage, I mean, the technical solution is ready. So the plan is to start liaising with the pilot school districts in California under the leadership of Cal OES. And because we started, as we talked at the beginning about desktop in general, to start progressively also having My Shake available to all the kind of operating system to target an even wider audience. Thank you very much. Thank you, Julian. Director, would you like to provide any questions or comments? No, but thank you for that. This is really exciting, especially at the school level. So I hope we can get some traction from that. Do any board members wish to ask a question or provide comment virtually? You may unmute yourselves now. Steve, do we have a, I think we have a discussion question as well. Well, again, if not enough time to spark the discussion now, things that we'd like for the board to contemplate and happy to work with you all in the future. All right, seeing, oh, do we have a... Yeah, board member Asessa, Asessa, you may ask your question. Hi, my question, I guess, I've asked this question in other presentations before, but the question that came to my mind was just about the, if we're putting this on laptops, just like the data security point of it and how, I don't know the terminology, so I'm probably not using the right terms, but just in terms of like cybersecurity and people hacking and using through the app, like just kind of that world. I know that if we, I was writing down, like maybe this could be something rolled out on all of our UC-issued laptops to staff, and I know that that would be the first question I would get asked is around that piece of it. That's an excellent question. Security is of course a top priority for us, and that's the same for smartphones, I mean, not only a laptop. So first of all, we run every release for a set of security software that can review any weaknesses, the software security weaknesses that the new release would have. In addition, Callo ES also requests that we run any new release for very specific security software. And before the new releases is put into the app store on the Google Play Store, and we had the same discussion with some of the school district because this was one of the topic security. But, and maybe I should add that, even before you release a new version of an app on either the app store or Google Play Store, Google and Apple themselves, they also run some kind of security checks for us to be even able to post this new release into their store. So at this stage we, for some insecurity is a topic, but at this stage we think that we really take a lot of steps to ensure that the software whether it is a release on the smartphone or desktop or laptop. And if I may, this is Lori Nizhura. So that's a great question. And early on in the process, we did coordinate with our State Threat Assessment Center and our California Cyber Security Integration Center as Julian mentioned, and they looked at it and gave us their protocols for kind of tightening up the security on it, which we're grateful UC Berkeley is adhering to and integrating into every release. Yeah, perfect, thank you. Okay, any other questions in the next step? We'll be updates on system operations followed by a presentation from our partners with the California Geological Survey. I will now discuss the updates to system ops as it pertains to the seismic buildout. As mentioned before with the continued development and nearly completed buildout of the Q system, we're looking toward operations and maintenance where they focus on refurbishing and upgrading outdated stations as we continue to connect to the state microwave. California earthquake early warning system network contributing stations has increased to 975 out of the 1,115 target, bringing us close to 87, roughly 87% completion, which is an increase of 38 stations since our last meeting in May. Cal OES and our partners have completed 691 out of the 702 planned Qs funded EEW stations, an increase of 91 stations since May of 2023. There are 11 remaining stations pending completion. Cal OES public safety communications continues to work to connect EEW stations into the state microwave network and secure tower and vault leases. There are 19 additional EEW stations online and connected to the state microwave microwave system for a total of 113 out of the 350 stations with 237 remaining. Now I'd like to introduce Amid Hadadi, the program manager for the California strong lotion instrumentation program at the California Geological Survey, who's here to provide an update on two system ops projects. Amid, the floor is yours. So this presentation has two parts. Part one is A, updates and new developments of the application. Second part is pilot project that type of work cost instrumentation, type of lower cost instrumentation. For the first part, this is the outline of the presentation on the CIS and this- Amid, I'm sorry to cut in. If you can move the mic up, we're having trouble hearing you online. Thanks. How about now? That sounds good. I hate to make you bend over like that for the whole presentation, but you're coming in much clearer. Problem. So the first part of this presentation on CIS and display, I'm going through three parts on this presentation. One is to go shortly over the history of this application. And then shortly explain on the functions and the new developments that we have been doing for this application. And then the other part is related to the same application, but the web portal that is called QuakeWatch. So I will go through these parts and the difference between CIS and display and QuakeWatch. What are the differences? Then the second part of the outline is on the lower cost instrumentation evaluation project that we have been doing jointly with Caloy. I'm going through the application of the lower cost instrumentation and then a pilot project that we did or still is in progress to assess the usability of one specific type of lower cost instrumentation that is called community seismic network. All right, please. So the first part on CIS and display application. This application was developed over 20 years ago at Caltech with support from FEMA as well as USGS and NOAA. The application was originally developed for showing the earthquake location and size and was used originally as a basic tool for emergency responders. So this is a display that would be used by any emergency responder that would quickly see where the earthquake happened, what is the size of earthquake and some additional information. And the CIS and display is a Java application that needs to be installed on individual computers. And mainly this application was by doing a subscription. So if anyone needed to use the application needed to apply and actually go through the process and get subscribed to get the application. Later, this application, the financial support for the application was disconnected and that is the time that CaloES and CGS thought that still there are a lot of values in using this application. And CaloES and CGS continue to support this application. The development of the application from the beginning was done and still is being done by the company called Instrumental Software Technologies or ISTI. Sorry, please. So this is a view of the CIS and display application. As I mentioned, this is a standalone application mainly used for emergency response. The information about earthquakes come to this application in not real time at this time, but I would say near real time within one or two minutes after the origin time of the earthquake. There are a lot of customized features that have been added to this application and mainly for emergency responders. This is a collection of the information, earthquake information that could be actually collected at different sites and from different resources, but this particular application bring everything together and customized the information for the emergency responders applications. Also this application is a way of redundancy access to earthquake information in case that, let's say internet is out through the other resources, this application is a redundant way for getting earthquake information. Next slide please. So as I mentioned, the information provided through this application would be also available through other resources, but this is one place for getting quick access to all information. As you see here on this slide, there is a button for products and shake maps and then a lot of links to different parts of the different sites for getting earthquake information all together in one display. And next slide please. Also there are a lot of GIS information, GIS mapping capabilities that are added to this application that depending on the usage of the information, different parts of the GIS mapping capabilities could be activated. Next slide please. So some additional parts were added to the original CIS and display and this slide shows one of them. So there are cases that we have earthquakes to arms or a large number of aftershocks that the emergency responders would like to quickly see the distribution of the earthquakes, the size of the earthquakes and the locations. So this application, this feature shows actually provide such capability that users can select the area that would like to monitor and then any earthquake in that area within a timeframe would show on a plot. And this could be used mainly as I mentioned for the earthquake swarms and for monitoring aftershocks. Next slide please. So the CIS and display application has an alarm and the new development on this application that we're done recently is that now there are ways to customize the areas like on this slide you see a circle around mostly around California area that could be used with a different threshold for receiving alarm and also you see a polygon here for a larger area that users can set to receive alarms with different configurations. Like for let's say if for California we want to monitor lower magnitudes also we can set a different alarm versus the larger area that we may want to monitor larger earthquakes. So this is a new feature that has been added also the duration of the alarm would be configured by users in this feature. Next slide please. So as I mentioned the CIS and display application is a standalone application, a Java application that needs to be installed on individual computers. The same idea was used to develop a web application that is called QuakeWatch. The idea is same as CIS and display but this is a web application. This application has two parts one for again for emergency responders that can get to this application quickly and with less traffic on the website and then the plan is to have a public version of this also for using the public. The difference, the other difference between the CIS and display and QuakeWatch is that QuakeWatch because we use the Windows capabilities or let's say the Windows Explorer capabilities there are more advanced functions available for web applications comparing to the Java application. And some of them I will show on this presentation. Also it's possible to make it more user friendly when we use a web application. The other advantage is that this is a web application users do not need to install on individual computers but the information that are provided through the QuakeWatch the basic information are same with some more advanced information on the QuakeWatch that I will explain shortly. Please next slide. So this is one of the new features that we have in the QuakeWatch that we were not able to add to the CIS and display the Java application. So for example, for the emergency response if emergency responders need to know the, let's say we have an earthquake and we need to know how is the situation of traffic in different areas or how is the weather in different areas. There are a lot of detail features that are added to the QuakeWatch different layers that are added to the QuakeWatch. The other parts that actually I did not mention is that there is an idea to the plan to add the shake alert information to the QuakeWatch and CIS and display. So that means that as soon as shake alert information is out the information will be available also on CIS and display and QuakeWatch but that part has not been completed yet. So there are some parts and coordination that we need to do with the USGS on shake alert part to make it happen. Next slide please. So then going to the second part of my presentation this is about evaluation of lower cost instrumentation. Why do we need to think about lower cost instrumentation? So there are a lot of activities let's say that could be considered for a more intense instrumentation and also for rapid response to earthquake, evaluation of damage of earthquake that has brought up the idea of using lower cost instrumentation. We picked up one type of lower cost instruments that was developed at Caltech. It's called community seismic network and we jointly CGS and Cal OES we are working together to do an assessment of usability of this particular type of instruments and the data that we get. So this presentation is a summary of what we have done so far. Next slide please. So the application of a strong motion instrumentation in general. We have two types of instruments. One is the high resolution instruments. These are the instruments that all the seismic networks use including networks in California. For let's say for the strong motion side of instrumentation the main usage of the high resolution instrumentation from the beginning of the instrumentation that started was two instrument representative structures and geologic environment. From the beginning the goal of strong motion instrumentation was not to instrument let's say to very extensive instrumentation it was for putting instruments as representative structures different types of structures and a different geologic environment depending on the type of the soil we put instruments to get the typical response of the structures and ground when an earthquake happens. Then the other application of high resolution instrumentation was for the engineers when they design structures they use high resolution and strong motion data for their design to subject the model of their structure to actual strong motion data and see what would be the response of the structure basically for structural design and the long term application is for improving the seismic design code. Then during the last decade I would say the idea of using strong motion data for early warning system also was added to the application of strong motion data that is what we have now. Then on the other side on the lower resolution instruments so if you need to put so many let's say if you want to make a dense array of strong motion network it would be costly to put high resolution instruments everywhere so putting lower resolution instruments that would be lower cost may help to fill the gaps fill the spatial gap where we don't have high resolution instruments so we can have high resolution instruments at different locations and then fill the gap between with lower cost instrumentation. Also such instruments have been used for example USGS has used for monitoring aftershocks these are portable they can carry and when there is aftershock in different locations has been used for that purpose. CGS has used a type of lower cost instruments what we call it quake rock these are a number of lower cost instruments that were deployed some in Southern California some in Northern California close to the major faults the goal for this type of instruments was not to record very low amplitude of a strong motion so the minimum acceleration that we measure with quake rocks is at 5% of gravity acceleration if I say very roughly that would be something with a shaking at let's say intensity 4 to 5 the goal was to monitor the motion caused by the major faults at not very low amplitudes also the lower cost instruments could be used for a rapid response to earthquakes like if for structures if we want to do a structural damage a very let's say the first evaluation of a structural damage this type of instruments could also be used so then on this type of lower cost instrumentation pilot project that we did in the next slide goes through what we did this is the community seismic network we picked up this as one example of lower cost instrumentation I mean it's not the only type but this is one type that we started with to use for this evaluation the image here shows how the community seismic network instruments look like these have type of accelerometers that are called MEMS sensors with a small piece of computer inside this package very simple, portable and so this type of instruments were used in some areas in Southern California by Caltech the right hand plot shows the deployment of these sensors in Los Angeles area these are mainly installed at some schools in Southern California in Los Angeles area and the main goal for this application was to study the wave propagation in Los Angeles base so they put instruments at distance of close to one kilometer apart to get a detailed information for wave propagation what we did in the pilot project is if we go to the next slide the pilot project we put three objectives for this project so we thought we need to compare the lower cost instrument or lower resolution instrument with the higher resolution instrument so we picked up 10 ground stations and one building and we collocated the high resolution CGS stations with the lower resolution CSN instruments and the objective, the second objective is to record earthquakes used by both type of instruments and then we do an evaluation on usability of the records and the next slide shows the stations that we use for this pilot project in Southern California were selected and five stations in Northern California we wanted to get some records during the period of this study so we distributed the stations in both Southern California and Northern California to increase the chance of recording some data during the term of this project also we selected one building on the other side it shows one building in San Francisco area this is a 62 story building that was instrumented this is a joint project of USGS and CGS that we instrumented the building and we added some CSN instruments at different locations we collected high resolution sensors we collocated those sensors with the lower resolution sensors we started getting some data and one example is shown in the next slide this is one example of one of the earthquakes that we recorded the red waveform is the CSN record the second one is the high resolution record and then the comparison of the two is shown so we are trying to get a good understanding of how far we can go with lower resolution instruments at the same time CGS did a data utilization project on the existing CSN data the records have already been recorded and already are available so in parallel to this project we have a data utilization project that I hope that we got the report and we are now reviewing the report and the report will be provided soon if anybody is interested to see that report so basically where we are now is the two projects and the next slide is the summary of what we have done so far on CISN display and QuickWatch and also the other part on the community sizing network the pilot project is shown on the other side of this slide and that's it thank you Hamid director would you like to provide any comment I don't have any questions but thank you for that I'm really hoping that the lower resolution ones become the thing so that we can get more out there for sure thank you and now we'd like to open it up to the board virtually if you have a question or comment you may unmute yourself alright yes Hamid thank you I had a quick question on QuickWatch as you know I'm one of your biggest fans on this waiting for it to deploy so I can have it on my phone my computer and everything I was really interested in the extra features that you were showing that could be abused to our emergency managers and first responders particularly like the traffic information I was wondering where that draws what source does that draw from so there are some websites that provide traffic information and I mean these are the public information that actually we get access to from different sources I don't know exactly what is the source I can find out and send to I think our first responders will find this very helpful you know because they can have it on their phones on other tablets and when they're out in the field and it can help them move around better it can also help them know how to move people around better thank you Hamid we will now let me check any other questions or comments okay we'll now turn to you sorry I just wanted to kind of add on that when we're talking about first responders especially when we're talking about kind of quick to learn and the rest of the stuff that in our minds they would be great I think also to think about those people who are connected to first responders status like our transit operators and our CalFans employees who also may need the information to be able to do their jobs in those situations absolutely and I think that's the goal of transitioning it to the web application is so that it can be available to more of those who need it okay thanks again Hamid thank you CGS we'll now transition to education outreach where we'll hear from EEW education outreach lead John Goodell and Cal OES is earthquake tsunami and volcano program manager Yvette LeDuc first up is John Goodell who will tell us about a partnership with the San Jose earthquakes that was first introduced at the last board meeting thank you Derek I'm John Goodell Derek mentioned with the Cal OES earthquake early warning program and today I'm here to discuss our pilot partnership with the San Jose earthquakes of major league soccer this was a groundbreaking partnership that never been done before here at Cal OES we partner with the professional sports team with the intent of advancing earthquake preparedness and integrating the earthquake early warning system into large public venues on the screen here are some of the objectives that we set out to achieve enhance public safety by driving substantial growth to my shake downloads educate and encourage businesses and Californians to have a plan support earthquakes community as an earthquake education hub showcase earthquake preparations at PayPal park which is the earthquakes home stadium deliver education messages to thousands of attendees and followers as well as fans on the next slide again this partnership have many benefits although focused primarily in and around the Bay Area this was created to be a model process for large venue EEW adoption that can be used for other entities we interacted with thousands of fans at these soccer matches including a high of 40,000 fans for their match at Stanford stadium we also established a strong relationship with the earthquakes leadership team as we discussed the role in emergency and earthquake preparedness messaging and their consideration of implementing EEW into the stadium this partnership also afforded us access to team 408 which consists of small businesses and other sponsors each month they sent out a newsletter which was distributed more than 500 businesses within team 408 encouraging them to download the my shake app and to go to earthquake.ca.gov for more earthquake preparedness information so at this time I want to show you a video that was produced by our PIO team here at Cal OES it's essentially an overview of our partnership with the San Jose earthquakes Cal OES is excited to kick off a partnership with the San Jose earthquakes we share a goal to raise awareness and educate soccer fans about seismic activity the partnership with the San Jose earthquakes allows us to reach a vital community as we're sitting here ironically in the area called the epicenter at PayPal park coming to an earthquakes game is the best it's always a ton of fun the partnership offers soccer fans a unique opportunity to experience a simulated earthquake before and during each home game by catching a seismic ride on the shake trailer the shake trailer is just one of our many tools it simulates a 7.1 earthquake and quite frankly a lot of times shocks people as to the severity of that shaking the shake trailer gives the earthquake warning California program the ability to educate fans and help build resiliency for communities most at risk to shaking from earthquakes we're so close to the San Andreas fault and the Hayward fault here to have a real earthquake safety focus at the stadium is really important the quake stadium also offers fans an additional layer of safety during games due to its unique design PayPal park is earthquake retrofitted in sections giving the stands the flexibility to move as shaking starts as I bring my family out to the games it gives me a sense of comfort knowing that the organization has taken the necessary steps to provide an added layer of protection together with the quakes Cal OES offers educational tools to learn about the earthquake early warning system is a series of sensors around the state that allow us to get vital seconds of advanced notice it's not before the earthquake it's not predictive but it's before the shaking and that's valuable time the system gives Californians vital seconds to take protective actions like drop cover and hold on it's super important to know that you have to do drop cover and hold on really fast as the quakes players practice safety both on and off the pitch together we encourage fans and Californians statewide to practice earthquake preparedness and share the valuable tools they learn from writing the shake trailer because when an earthquake hits seconds matter our earthquakes are a bit different we don't get advanced notice so what we ask is that you prepare take a few steps to be in a better position go to earthquake.ca.gov download the my shake app look at some of the tools that are on the site whether it's your go kit preparing for yourself and your animals and be a little bit better prepared to see more from us head to news.caloes.ca.gov and follow us on all of our social media platforms so again that video was an internal product produced by our PIO team here at Cal OES but as you'll see on this next slide here some of the assets agreed upon through the partnership included what you see here that includes two minutes of digital LED signage that we had per match we were able to do two commercials one in English and in Spanish and then we also had a video board that had prior to the game and sometimes during the match as well announcements encouraging fans to download the my shake app and with these assets this helped us serve the DEI communities in and around the stadium in the Bay Area which included the San Jose airport which was directly across the street so as we go to the next slide here as mentioned some of these assets were the player videos in English and in Spanish these were coordinated between EEW San Jose earthquakes and the PIO team and we were able to select a player of our choosing who then spoke on earthquake preparedness and downloading the my shake app so let's take a look at those videos now we'll start with the English version built out of that gives it away Espinosa in San Jose as we create seismic moments on the field off the field we're proud to partner with the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services to remind all Californians to be earthquake ready you can take action today download the my shake earthquake early warning app to receive life saving alerts seconds before shaking is felt so you can drop cover and hold on California's first in the nation earthquake alert system is available right at your fingertips head to earthquake.ca.gov to download it now and now let's take a look at the when we're in the game field we create seismic moments and when it's not like that we work with the Office of Emergency Services to remind the Californians the importance of being prepared to face a earthquake you can do something today download the system which will give you seconds before you record the seismic to shake, cover and hold on the seismic alert system California's pioneer in the nation is at your fingertips visit the website earthquake.ca.gov and download the my shake app alright so those videos are available to us and the earthquakes to share on our social media channels for future use which we fully intend to do as we get closer to April is Earth Prepared this month and throughout all of next year and on the next slide here we'll take a look at some of the numbers of course the highlight of this partnership from the earthquake perspective anyways was having the earthquake simulator on site for all seven home matches the simulator attended the Stanford match and the six other matches at PayPal Park it was positioned within what they ironically call their epicenter which is where other vendors and food trucks are located we had our typical outreach booth with earthquake preparedness and EEW materials as well as the simulator station nearby in total as you can see there nearly 1,300 riders rode the simulator and just about 1,600 fans visited the booth during those seven matches and finally here here are some more numbers from the partnership aside from having our logo and a link to our website on the San Jose earthquakes corporate page as well as a press release announcing the partnership on social media we generated 7.2 million impressions for clarification purposes impressions are the number of times your content was seen including multiple views from individual users they are calculated by tracking the total number of times your content was displayed across the platform so for example this could be from fans viewing inside the stadium driving outside and even seeing the video board which you could from the street or even those across the street at the San Jose airport which we're allowed to see from the backside of the video board as well so for those seven matches that we attended the total attendance was just under 139,000 fans and My Shake My Shake app downloads for past 8100 which contributed to reaching the mark of 2.9 million downloads that we currently have and moving forward we are currently discussing internally as well with the San Jose earthquakes leadership about possibly renewing the partnership for next year and with that I will turn it back over to you Derek Thank you John Next we will hear from Yvette Leduc who is here to we will open it up for questions Well John I don't have a question but I do want to say today the earthquakes announced that they are building some additional training soccer training fields and a training facility at the Santa Clara fairground so we might have some additional areas to partner with them if they agree to go forward with us so thank you for that Fantastic thank you I'd also like to mention I had the opportunity to go down to PayPal park one day and meet with the president of the team and he led us around and kind of showed us everything when he took us to the epicenter which is just this big quad a big grassy area where he animated as he was talking about different ways to educate their customers when they come with signage and was asking us for advice on things and I've since received an email from him basically he's very very excited and motivated about continuing the relationship with Cal OES and with earthquake early warning so I just want you to know that these interactions that we have with these groups they get these sponsors or champions if you will and our hope is that then it will blossom and become a bigger group that we can other venues that we can get earthquake early warning into so any opportunities that you can think of like this send them our way we'll take a look we'll meet with people and who knows where it'll lead go okay since we're in the question portion are there any questions or comments from the board regarding the earthquake's partnership yeah Derek I just wanted to say yeah that's a very cool campaign very creative and I think very effective we did some work with the San Diego Padres especially back in COVID that was very effective as well so my wheels are turning because I think you could really leverage that especially with professional sports so great campaign just want to thank the group also for bringing down the simulator here locally to San Diego had a great shakeout event at Quea Maca College attracted a lot of attention so I just want to say thanks I know it's not cheap to move so appreciate it very much thank you and board member Amina yeah I just I wanted to add yeah that I think letting people go on this simulator I think that is a really great opportunity I think everyone will be shocked what a 7.0 feels like even if you felt it before been in there before I was also thinking like in terms of you know because you are interacting with so many people in a booth that there was an opportunity to not just educate them but you know kind of have a some kind of thing to give them like a giveaway item and the thing that came to my mind was like the earthquake putty which would probably be fairly inexpensive and a good giveaway because I think people don't they're not going to purchase that on their own sometimes but it's really helpful in terms of securing items in your house and I know that that's a whole funding issue I just thought that would be like a good giveaway to give to people I recently tried to move something that I had secured with earthquake putty and could not get it to move and that was like years ago and so I think it's just a good way to educate people about there's things in your house that will fall over and this is a cheap inexpensive way to secure it during earthquake Amina that's a great idea we do have several handouts or giveaways some that we reserve the more expensive ones so to speak we will reserve for folks that download right in front of us but definitely we'll take that back great idea okay thank you John next we'll hear from Yvette Ladook who is here to discuss this year's great California Shake Out drill and tour Yvette the floor is yours can you guys hear me okay before I get started I just wanted to reply real quick to Amina your suggestion we actually do give away museum putty Cal OES actually funds the many awards program done through the earthquake country alliance so for any members of the earthquake country alliance each year we do a mini awards program we give away the putty straps hooks latches all kinds of tools that folks can install in their homes to increase and so we have like $500 packages and $1000 packages that we give away to folks who are chosen so if you're interested you can take a look Cal OES does fund that through our FEMA national earthquake hazards reduction program grant tongue twister so yeah so that's great and we're actually working really hard to expand that program to more folks so hoping we can get more folks to take advantage of that. Alright so I have a little lapel microphone because I like to walk around so I'm going to talk today about the great California Shake Out tour so again my name is Yvette Laduke and I'm the manager of the earthquake tsunami and volcano program Cal OES and we partner with the earthquake early warning program to support the tour this year and in addition we really wanted to think about how we could be really come up with ways to reach the maximum number of people possible this year with the tour so we also partnered with our public information office here at Cal OES Leastos California so we could reach some folks some of our non-English speaking community members we also partnered with our community outreach specialist and then also with the California Geological Survey so we had some of their staff come out and partner with us too so in thinking about places we wanted to go for the tour this year we wanted to make sure we were reaching throughout California to the greatest extent that we could and we wanted to select locations that had the potential to experience high shaking so high shaking areas and then also areas where we could reach as diverse as communities as possible so I'm going to start with a video that was put together by Cal OES public information office that talks a little bit about the tour and our experiences we had during the tour we've been going all over California to make sure everybody is prepared for the next big earthquake we're able to take our team and go on the road and lead up to this in a way that gets to as many California's as possible when I told my mother I would want to come to San Francisco there was immediately the first thing that was said to me like warning me about the earthquakes and I never really took it seriously the bad experience yeah it's definitely I think we need to be more prepared and this is all an effort to leading up to building the momentum for October 19, 10.19 a.m. for the Shake Out Drill where we encourage everyone to participate in earthquake preparedness drill by dropping and holding on as we know in California earthquakes can happen at any time and that's a really important part about this tour is getting out there into the communities talking about it enlisting more and more partners every year just to get the word out and importantly keep California in safe so this year we selected 7 cities and the tour was a 9 day tour so there were a couple days that we were able to come in so our tour started on October 11 in downtown Sacramento near the golden one center so this location was really great because we had the opportunity to be where people work so people who are on their way to work or during their lunch hour were able to come by experience the shake trailer many folks in California have not experienced a strong earthquake so when they got in the trailer and as you heard in previous presentations experience that shaking is really shocking to them and so it's a really great tool to get people to understand how strong that shaking is going to be the potential for it to cause damage in their homes to cause things to fall off the wall so really the importance of taking steps to secure the items in their home and protect themselves so really great tool for that so we set up our information boost so right as they walked off the shake trailer they could come over and actually engage with us talk to us about what they experienced and we could share information and give them information on first of all downloading the My Shake app so that they could get alerts and then also securing items in their home and how to drop cover hold on and protect themselves so as a result of our event in Sacramento we had almost 3,000 download apps of My Shake our second stop was in San Francisco at San Francisco State University so this is a great opportunity we had a lot of students faculty and people in the community stopped by this location visited our information boost again and we got a lot of downloads My Shake downloads from that by 1800 and another great opportunity here is there's a lot of media in the area so partnering with the media was a huge opportunity so not only were we able to engage not met with a space to face but we could amplify that message out through the media to get out to even more members of the community our next stop was on October 13th and monitoring and we were located near the aquarium so the great thing about that is not only could we reach out to members of that community but a lot of tourists coming in so we're able to engage with folks from other communities who can then hopefully take that messaging out even further beyond the area where we were so we got about 2000 downloads on the 13th So then we had the weekend off and started up again on Monday October 16th in Santa Barbara so this was our first time actually doing a Shake Killer Dance in the Santa Barbara area and we were right by the Santa Barbara mission so we had trolleys of tourists coming in got to talk to a lot of folks that way and it was interesting we actually talked to a bunch of folks from other countries so Germany was a popular country that day and so it was interesting to talk to them and they actually experienced the trailer just to kind of get their thoughts on it and they were actually really glad to know they said oh we wouldn't have even thought about that so it was kind of cool and then also we were in the area a lot of folks said that they felt the shaking from the Ohio earthquake and so they had a chance to talk to us about their experience which I lived down there so I also experienced the Ohio earthquake so we kind of talked and talked about our shared experience on that and we had pretty good downloads that day over 3,000 so that was really great to get out into that community and definitely had a lot of really great involvement there next slide October 17th we were on Alvaro Street in downtown Los Angeles this was a great location and we were so happy to have least dose California there with us they had a booth right next to us we had a lot of Spanish speaking community members come up to this event so that was great and it was also located across the street from Union Station so we had a lot of folks who were getting off the train in the morning heading to work that stopped by and then we had some come by during their lunch hour too so we really got a lot of great foot traffic and a lot of really great media we had several media outlets they were there waiting for us to set up in the morning and they were very engaged had a lot of great questions many of them did several different new segments from there and so we really believe we were able to reach a lot of people in LA that day so that was really exciting we had over 3,200 downloads that day so then our next event which we're also really excited about this one this is the first time we were able to partner with the tribal nation so we were at the Indian Canyon's Gulf Resort and they actually had an event going on there that day with their elders so we got to meet a few of them and also some tribal partners from some neighboring tribes so they came out and met with us and we actually got to go in Derek and I both went in during their event we were able to each present on the My Shake app and earthquake preparedness that was a great extra opportunity we got that we didn't know about and also this event happened the day after the Eilton earthquake that we mentioned earlier that was the day of I should say and so we got a lot of downloads that day so that was kind of a combination of a lot of the outreach that was done by the earthquake early warning team following that earthquake and then also folks that were attending our event that day and we had a lot of community members that walk by you know it's Palm Springs people out walking their dogs and they came by and got some information and that was great and that was our first time out in Palm Springs on top of the San Andreas Fault for that event too yeah and it was down the street from my sister's house so um yeah so that was actually a really good first for us and I think I think it was a really great opportunity then our last stop of the tour culminated on October 19th with which was Shake Out Day and as Jeff mentioned earlier we are at Kuiimaka College which is in El Cajon so it's kind of eastern and we were at the community college out there so it was a great opportunity this is where we partnered with our outreach specialist Tara Callowayas and the CERT programs in the area and they put on a very large event and we had a lot of folks from the college visiting us both students and staff and then one of the local elementary schools down the street brought a bus load of their kids and so they all got to experience the Shake Trailer and then at 1019 we all did drop cover hold on together Tina was there with us and so I think for that you know all those kids got a chance to come and talk to us we had earthquake books there for kids that we could hand out to them and so we got about 20,000 downloads that day because that was a big Shake Out Day so that was really great sorry oh yes San Diego was there and we did have a couple I know in LA we had LA City come visit us and we did have some of our county partners at some of the local Santa Barbara as well too our shake tour I just wanted to mention one more event Lori I know you were at this event on Shake Out Day we had an event in downtown LA at the LA regional food bank so we selected this location this was done through the earthquake country alliance they are the ones that hosted this event and organized it for us at the LA food bank they are actually doing an earthquake retrofit as we speak and they did this through hazard mitigation funding that they got from Cal OES and we are using this as one of our pilot project and we are doing through our Cal OES one of our sub awards for our knee herb grant that I mentioned we are doing additional food banks throughout California so the goal is is that following a strong earthquake with our food banks retrofitted our food network will still be able to be up and running so that people will be able to get that critical resource that they really excited about that we have grant applications actually in the pipeline right now for this project so the project actually included assessments both structural non structural assistance with the grant application and now hopefully we will get some more done following on this so there were two press conferences held at this location the first one focused on the retrofit and the work being done with that and then the second one was for the actual shakeout drill so next slide kind of a summary of each of the days and kind of the media network that was at each of the events we had several at each of the events but this time we did a snapshot where we were able to get through our media partners next slide there is a tour summary so again we visited seven cities within nine days the total ad equivalency number so that is the amount of money that we would have potentially needed to spend on a people that we were able to spend by leveraging the partners and hosting this event as was mentioned we needed to take our shake trailer throughout the state and we got a huge value out of it just being able to reap all the people we were able to reap the 500 people that experienced the shake simulator that number is really key because that is 500 people that we got to talk to that is 500 people that we got to give our message and give them information and engage with them on earthquake preparedness 39 media outlets so in addition to those ones I showed on the previous slide we had many more participants again amplifying our message out to more people 500 media mentions so we had an increase of my shake downloads during the tour of over 53,000 and then total my shake downloads that was 2,800 and I know John mentioned there is more now because we had some more of those Ben Josequites events after this so it is added up and I know we kind of look at those numbers and we see those my shake downloads and that is great but I think in addition to just the my shake downloads my shake is more than just that alerting app we now have that number of people that have a planning and preparedness tool in their hands so my shake is more than just alert it also has preparedness information and it reminds people to take that protective action of drop cover hold on and our goal really is to increase our resiliency throughout the state and we do that by teaching people how to secure their space how to prepare themselves and take protective action and they can do that through having that app so that they can get those alerts and then also knowing what to do protect themselves securing their space and knowing what to do I think helps them so that with this great tool thank you so much for partnering with us we really thank you Yvette and with that director do you have any comments or questions no just that was great that was great I liked the the tour versus just one big event I think you probably got to a lot more people than we could have done and it was just overall a great tour great tour so thanks to the entire team right and I believe I saw a hand up for board member Linda Grant oh hi there hi everyone just wanted to just give kudos again to echo the director's remarks that was phenomenal I mean just looking at the outputs and the outcomes from the tour the the regionality of going across the state getting to community and I love the last slide that was presented about how this was just not about getting folks on the app and so just wanted to commend folks at least at our agency we highlighted to make sure they have the My Shake app folks were out there when you're in Sacramento at least and so just kudos continue to keep us abreast as this continues to grow but just really appreciated the magnitude of your reach you know hearing about the community so thank you thank you okay seeing no other hands raised or comments we will now turn it over to our deputy director to provide an update on EEW's financial picture okay the fiscal year 2023-24 appropriation for earthquake early warning is 17.1 million plus a one-time $500,000 specified for receivers for our data casting pilot project phase 2 so the the spending plan for fiscal year 23-24 we we call it internally Q's 7 is nearing completion we've received embedded proposals from all of our EEW statutory partners for system ops and maintenance as well as research and development in addition Cal OES staff explores public relations and outreach and education needs and develops a proposal for those resources and finally program administration is counted for and voila we have our Q's 7 budget we'll have the exact numbers for you next meeting but roughly it comes out at system O&M takes up about 70% of the budget program administration only accounts for 2% of the budget and then our data casting is within the R&D that number but we're in phase 2 of our pilot project so it will be included in the infrastructure program so we're going to go through the data casting included in the infrastructure of all of our California public television stations and then what we need to do is we need to get these receivers put them around various places we're looking at both residential receivers and enterprise receivers in places like our stations and maybe even like assisted living homes and then we'll test those there and that's part of that $500,000 one-time funding we get this year so with our funds we continue our outreach funds we continue to look at the diverse communities we've got an airport feasibility study in our research and development we're still exploring distributed acoustic sensing or DAS and then you heard our system ops update today so that's pretty much it for our budget I did want to also mention one more topic and that's there was an earthquake early warning legislative report required through last year's budget act and it was recently transmitted over to the legislature this report was an exploration of various fund sources whether or not earthquake early warning was an eligible use a fund source and finally whether any of these funding programs were already being used for earthquake early warning staff will be sending board members the link to our website once the report is posted and with that if there are any questions happy to take them otherwise end of report thank you very much deputy director Nizhura director any comments or questions no thank you Lauren that was great and to the board online if you have any comments please unmute yourself at this time okay hearing none next we will move to the closing statements and public comment director ward do you have any closing comments thanks to everybody want to thank our certainly thank our our partners at USGS and UC Berkeley and CGS and certainly our special speaker Robert Sides for the presentations today and I hope that these presentations provide our members of the board and the public certainly insight into the capabilities of the system and what it can be in the future as we move forward to the members of the board and as we travel down the path toward automation throughout the state we hope that these discussions will peak your interest and provide us some awareness and some ideas of potential implementation and quite honestly funding opportunities to equip more of our industries throughout the state I want you to know that your input is critical to the continued success of earthquake early warning you represent specific sectors that serve the people of California and I encourage you to stay engaged and bring your ideas and keeping in mind the people that your industry serves and to thank you all again for your participation today and always as we move the board forward and I know that we probably won't be together before the holidays so happy holidays to everyone as well. Thank you Thank you Director Ward. Do any board members wish to ask any final questions or provide comment again please unmute yourself at this time Board Member Peppery may ask your question or comment Thank you and thank you all so much for all the work that's been done and all the work that we know is coming to us as we look at 2024 we're looking for these opportunities to move more towards integration and system automation I do want to make one suggestion that to be considered that is to include the GOVACS agency on this board and as we move forward when we're looking at procurement opportunities not just for the state but for our partners throughout the state it's going to become more important to have our control participants included in this looking at opportunities for maybe some streamlined procurement opportunities being able to just provide technical assistance to those activities that is helping be exposed to procurement operation very easily and that there may be some creative ways we can do that not just DGS but also CDT as we're looking at really integrating on the technology and on the technical side so that is my one suggestion as we kind of move forward into the next phase of this project but thank you again for all the work it really is the incredible thing that we are where we are today and really exciting as to what's coming Thank you board member Pepper we have noted that and we'll look into it further thank you any other closing comments or questions from the board alright hearing none at this point we'll open up discussion for any public comment all comments will be limited to three minutes per person should you like to comment please indicate so in the Q&A section or by utilizing the raise hand function of the video conference and the moderator will unmute you anyone in the audience you may approach the public comment podium okay with that we can entertain a motion to adjourn would anyone like to motion Oh well before we do that give me a second director ward would you like to provide any closing remarks alright okay with that we can entertain a motion to adjourn would anyone like to motion is that oh Lori Pepper thank you and do we have a second I can second that Jeff Tony alright all those in favor alright motion passes thank you we are adjourned thank you everyone thank you all thank you