 not shed. There were two things that we were going to quickly cover on the agenda. We have converted the storage survey that we had discussed in previous schools into a survey monkey certainly I will just send that to the chat window. If we could step through that if you want or I could send it that way and we could collect feedback. What I'd like to do is to finish off the feedback this week and have the survey finalized by Friday if possible. Does anybody have a strong request to go through it now? I'm not sure that would be very productive use of our time. I think people can just go through it offline. I think it looks reasonably uncontroversial to me. There's probably some nit-ticky things that could be changed but I think we've been through it enough times now in various formats that using the rest of the meeting to go through it again would not be useful. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Virginia and Quintum have sent me feedback by email which I'll be incorporating into the survey today and then I can send it out for one last review before we send it to the NBSA forum. The other thing that we had for the agenda was to cover to have an initial discussion or at least just a statement of intent like this that we're going to be converting this working group into one of the newly created CNCF6. The six were voted for by the TOC and were approved and the idea behind the six is to further, the idea behind the six is to create a better organization for the CNCF to help scale the functionality of the TOC as we continue to add more projects into the CNCF and we continue to have a little bit of a larger community. So the working group is transitioning into the SIG will give us the capability or will give us a more formal mandate based on the SIG charter to help talk with project reviews and another community work that we will get engaged in. Quintum, I don't know if you want to add something to that? Yeah, I guess the only thing so each SIG in the current proposal has three chairs and three tech leads and the responsibilities are slightly different. The chairs are mostly making sure that things move forward and that all of the bureaucracy side of things happens and the tech leads are more responsible for the deep technical dives into the projects etc. We sort of de facto have some people who do those functions at the moment and the current this is not a proposal I've discussed with anyone but my proposal would be to have myself, Alex and other as chairs and Xing and two others as tech leads. So if anyone would like to help out and be one of those roles you should please reach out to me or Alex for the moment because we're sort of de facto driving this thing. What we plan to do is have a charter ready by the end of this week or early next week and then we'll start sort of massaging that into shape in collaboration with the TOC liaison for storage which is Jiang from Alibaba. So yeah if anyone has any thoughts, suggestions or objections please voice them either here or in email to me or Alex. I think that covers are a rather short agenda for today unless anybody wants to bring anything else. Perhaps Kiran, I see you're on, do you want to maybe give an update as to where you are on creating the PR for the Open EPS submission? Yes Alex, thanks. So I've got some content already done going through a few more rounds of review for that one from the team and the Open EPS users. I've got some feedback, I'm going to incorporate them today and then ready to raise the PR. Meanwhile we've reached out to their talk members to sponsorship. Those things are going well, we should have it ready by Monday. Fantastic, well that's really good. One question, so once we raised the proposal to the TOC, do I have to follow up with anyone for setting it up on the agenda for the TOC to take it forward or do they come back to us and should we miss? Sorry, I've been a bit dialed out of this thing. Yeah, we need to just put some, give it to Chris Anacheck and the next one is tentatively scheduled for a month from yesterday but we could probably actually get that expedited if there is a good reason to do that. The default would be that we get on the agenda for four weeks time from today. Now does that get us, it would be really great to get this wrapped up before KubeCon Europe and I forget the exact date for that. Does anyone have it handy? It's the 22nd of May. Okay, so if we did the presentation in two weeks, sorry in four weeks time, that would give us almost two weeks to get into the sandbox which I think is enough. What we could do in the meantime is get the presentation ready, the proposal, the PR, all of these things lined up, get CNCF sponsors, the TOC sponsors and so that when the presentation comes up in four weeks time we've pretty much got all the everything dealt with and then it's mostly just a formality to get it into the sandbox and then you'd be able to announce it at KubeCon Europe which would be pretty good. Awesome, great. So I think right now one of the pending things from my side would be the presentation itself. So I'll go through some of the past presentations to see if I can put in the slides around that and we'll send out for review this week itself to you guys. Thanks. Yeah, I think the presentation that you gave us was great, mostly sort of technically focused. I think what they will want to know is a little more about, and I can't remember the details of the presentation, some of the parts are, yeah, it was a while ago now, but you'll want to talk, go and look at some of the previous presentations. You'll want to talk a little bit about contributors and community and users and that kind of stuff as well as the technical side of things. Okay, thanks. Let me know. Yeah, thank you. And as far as TSC sponsors, we should speak to Jiang. He's sort of the liaison for storage and I think he will take our guidance on whether he's comfortable with it. I wouldn't imagine there would be no objections and we just need to find one other. I can either ask him to speak to others or I can speak directly to one of the, Brendan Burns is generally a pretty cooperative guy. I can speak to him as well. So we have caught Alex's approval. So he said he will be willing to sponsor. Oh, that's perfect. So I think working with Jiang is the only thing that's pending right now. So we'll okay. Sounds great. Thank you. I'm sorry if I've been a little bit preoccupied with other things. I've had a very busy few weeks, so I haven't necessarily given this particular topic my top priority. This has definitely been very helpful. I mean, you, Jiang and Alex, all the feedback has really helped us push forward. Good stuff. In that case, unless anybody has any other items to raise, I think we don't have any other pressing topics today. Alex, when are you going to send the survey out to the user group for them to do the survey? So I'll incorporate the feedback that Quentin and yourself gave me and send it out to the mailing list, probably in the next two, three hours. And then, assuming there's no more feedback or sort of minimal changes, we'll try and get it out to the, I'll send it to Cheryl, say Friday evening. So I think what we want to try and do is, you know, get the survey out to the end users for a couple of weeks, collect as much feedback as possible. And get ourselves in a position where we can look at the results and try and figure out some of the next steps so that we have a good story to present at KubeCon in terms of, you know, what the sick is going to be tackling and request the appropriate people from the community to engage at that stage. Yeah, just a couple of thoughts on that general topic. So one is, I seem to recall that we actually signed up for an in-person session with the end user group. And I think it was April, May sometime, but we'll have to go and dig through the email trail. Does anyone know of hand? So Cheryl basically asked all of us to sign up to, you know, have a 30 minute session, public session with end users. And we would basically be able to ask them anything we like and they would be able to ask us anything they like, etc. Does anyone know what the date scheduled for that was? I will have to go back and check. I'll just look for an email from Cheryl. It should give you all the information. If not, she can tell you what that date is. But I think it's probably coming up in the next few weeks. So just a thought was, yeah, if we can get the survey out, make it public, send it to as many mailing lists and whatever as we can. By the end of this week or beginning of next week, and then we can, you know, back that up with a presentation to the end user community whenever that is scheduled for. And then further sort of more input from them and just make sure they're all aware of it if they missed the email. I think that'll be super effective. Secondly, I think the next step that we probably want, and I don't want to preempt any input we get from people between now and then, but I think the next thing we want to do is actually publish a paper that says, here are a couple of case studies of meaningful storage use cases from a bunch of people who prepared to talk about them with both positive experiences and negative experiences. I think that's what end users are probably going to benefit from. And so our current questionnaire doesn't really ask those questions. It gives us an indication of who might have the right, you know, who might be prepared to give us input on these things, but it doesn't actually give us data to publish that paper. I think that should be the focus of our sort of discussion forums and things at Copenhagen is trying to elicit some of that information from willing participants. And maybe we need to start off with a sort of an email to the mailing list before then to try and get that ball rolling before we get to Barcelona. A sense that we get some use cases for discussion in Barcelona, you mean? Well, what I'm saying is we could maybe even get that conversation going before Barcelona with an email thread. And at least by the time we get to Barcelona, we've got some, you know, protagonists and something to talk about rather than starting with a blank paper. Okay. And when you mentioned the mailing list, do you want to talk to them so that you mean the end users themselves or the storage mailing list? I think it's actually end user stories that we're wanting. Both would probably be the answer. And we don't want a bunch of vendors telling us marketing stories about their storage product. We actually want end users who've tried various approaches to storage for a particular end use case and had successes with some approaches and failures with others and are prepared to talk about them. I think that's what we're looking for. Yeah, I agree. Do you know what? It just occurred to me that it's probably worth having a tick box in the survey, sort of right after their email submission to kind of say, are you interested in discussing a use case with the storage working group? Yes, I agree. I think that's a very good piece of data to have. Yeah. Okay. We bring this up when we are having this meeting with the end users. We have a meeting, right? I was just looking for the email, but I can't find an email where we actually have a date. I'm holding Cheryl just to see if something was agreed, but otherwise I've got this. Yeah, I might have it. I've got so many inboxes. I have to go and dig through several of them to find it. But if I find it, I'll put a link to it in the in the meeting notes. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll think Cheryl for the date. Here we go. Wait, I have it. I have it. Oh, I found it. I'm meeting date, Quinton Hool, Kubernetes Sigma. Oh, maybe, maybe it's a different thing. So I have a session on May 14, related to multi cluster, but I see they have some slots available. They have a slot available May 28 is the earliest one on her calendar thing. It's too late. Let me, let me, let me pink her and see. Yeah, any cancellations is May, April 9, which was yesterday, I guess they did. You might be able to steal the April 23 slot from Phil Estes. Oh, there's two slots actually. So yeah, speak to and see what we can do. Worst case we can actually, there's another slot on May 14, because they have two slots. I have the one for Sigma multi cluster, but there's an empty second slot, or there was at least as of March 19. Maybe that's filled up since then. All right. I'll, I'll, I'll pick her and see whether we can, she, she may be able to squeeze the sensor. Oh, sorry. I see it has the, that's second slot on May 14 has already filled up. So see what you can do. All right. You mentioned there was something in Copenhagen. Is that right? There's a, there's a coupon coming up in Copenhagen. Sorry. Sorry. My apologies. Barcelona. My brain skipped back to last year, which was Copenhagen. Yeah. I was wondering, you'd, I guess you just, it slipped by. I was like, I didn't. There's an impolite term, term for what my brain just did there, but yes. Yeah. So about any help needed, you know, working with the group, I need to check with my team here, but that might be something that I, that I could do. I was actually trying to revive this machine learning work group, but I'm not sure, I'm not sure what, what's there. So my, my kind of role here was to, to be in that realm, but we here at Lenovo have a strong interest and, and desire to support the storage as well. And, and it may be something that I could retask here as something for me to contribute to if needed. Yeah. That'd be great. And I'm, I'm incidentally involved in the machine learning stuff as well. So if, if I can help you kind of get connected to the right people there or restart any efforts there, I'd be happy to. Yeah. I would appreciate that because that's kind of my key role is to, it's to see what we can do to contribute there and, and kind of make that a revitalized effort. If we can gather some more support there, that's, that's kind of my key role, but I've been attending these calls because of course storage is an important part of that. Yeah. Are you, are you most interested in the, in the storage aspect of machine learning or are you interested in machine learning in the general sense? So I'm on the HPC and, and machine learning solutions group here at Lenovo. And my team also is responsible for a couple of storage products. And so we kind of cross over. Okay. Machine learning and, and working with my peers here who are involved in storage. So we wanted to make sure that we were able to, primarily, I wanted to be able to communicate as much information as I could gather here to them, to prepare them to make sure that we're enabling cloud native practices within our storage team. Awesome. Yeah. I've got a, I've got another soon to be public effort that, that you might well want to get involved in, which, yeah, just drop me an email and we can carry on the conversation there. Cool. I'll do it. Thank you. All right. I think that's it. I think that's it. We'll give everybody back half an hour. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Bye. Bye.