 All right everybody welcome to Iran Brook show on this I don't know what day it is Tuesday. Tuesday October 17th. I'll change the camera a little bit so I'm not chopping my head off there that's better and maybe I should send to myself too. All right all right as you can see I'm no longer where I was I am now in London beginning of my European trip flew in this morning or flew in this afternoon so it's 10.15 here so I'm kind of exhausted so I apologize if I'm a little not quite as sharp as usual. Let's see we're gonna we're gonna do a news a newsy show today so it might be shorter than usual but you know you guys in many respects at the terms of these shows with the questions that you ask so feel free to use the super chat to ask questions about anything but certainly about what's going on in in Israel in Gaza and we're going to talk about that a little bit but of course I'm sure there are issues questions that you guys are facing that I haven't thought of so bring them on you know let's let's talk let's talk about them reminder that the Indian Institute has a lot of commentary on on the war on Kogate Ilangio and others Nikos of course has this amazing video that's gone kind of viral on YouTube that has a huge number of of views so please go to ironman.org slash start here where you can find all this material get access to all this material through to that website you know don't don't there's a lot of good content right now out I think the Institute just released audio of Ayn Rand talking about the killing of innocence in war that is the the the most responsibility for the killing of instance of war and what won't you do and so on very consistent I think with what I say after all I've learned all this stuff from her so I very much encourage you to listen to that and I think about why she held these views I mean she was a smart lady why and why did she hold the views that she did it's interesting that when she's asked the questions about innocence she immediately knows the context and the context almost always is kind of a libertarian context of only individuals exist therefore governments don't represent groups and therefore how do you kill anyway that whole reasoning which is nonsensical if you understand certainly if you understand her philosophy all right talking about killing of innocence I guess so right now the headlines all over the world today as of an hour ago the headlines all over the world are that Israel bombed a hospital in the Gaza Strip there are over 500 people dead that these innocent I don't know who knows I don't know who was in the hospital but doctors nurses young people children sick people and so on hospitals are supposed to be off you know not supposed to be bombed it was bombed and the world is flipping out and and and generally Israel has been condemned by everybody even saw a title something like Biden is still coming to Israel in spite of this now there are riots now and in all of the Muslim world condemning Israel there are riots you know the demonstrations in Gaza there's probably riots in the West Bank it is you know there is there is a lot of upheaval and again this will just keep fueling everything and the longer this is delayed I've been saying this since this began the longer it's delayed the more difficult this will be in Israel the more worldwide pressure that will be in Israel not to engage the more they'll be encouraged to compromise and and we'll talk about Biden's visit in a minute but but anyway that is indeed happening now there is also stories out there credible stories coming out right now saying wait a minute this hospital was not was not in an area was hit there was hit was not an area the Israeli Air Force was active in it was not an area that the Israeli Air Force was bombarding Israel did not as far as we can tell purposefully target this hospital and it doesn't look like it's an accident because they won't target anything else no no no this is actually a Hamas rocket that malfunctioned and dropped onto the hospital and created an explosion that destroyed the building that killed however many people will kill so you got both sides both stories on this I'll say this I don't know what happened I don't think any of you know what happened it could have been a straight Israeli missile maybe Israel targeted it so though it's very unlikely that they usually they let hospitals know and they evacuate the hospital before Israel blows it up although they haven't blown up any hospitals this time why would they blow up a hospital full of people when they've asked other hospitals to evacuate it just doesn't make any sense that Israel would target this and it could be a straight missile from Israel it could be a Hamas rocket that misfire we just don't know and and I think it's silly to take partisan sites here because it doesn't matter the essential point here is that this is a war started created by initiated by sponsored by Hamas everybody who dies in this war everybody who dies in this war innocent children soldiers everybody the most responsibility for their death is on Hamas whether Israel accidentally bombed us purposefully bombed us or whether Hamas accidentally bombed us it doesn't matter it's all on Hamas now it's kind of interesting to know what actually happened but we don't know we don't know what we do know is you know the fact here the fact that Hamas has initiated this war it's initiated this war over the last what is it 18 years since it came to power in in the Gaza Strip it has been engaging in nothing but war for almost 20 years and every drop of blood and this has to be said over and over and over again and that is the ultimate response to any of this it's not well we don't know it it could have been it could have been the it could have been Hamas destroying this the response needs to be whoever did this it's on them it's them s and Israel should feel free it won't and it won't do this and and this is why I don't believe Israel you know bombed them but Israel should feel free to bomb any target in the Gaza Strip that it deems necessary for itself defense this is why I'm skeptical about the hospital though for all we know that there was a there is a Hamas weapons depot underneath the building for all we know the Hamas headquarters is underneath the building for all we know the military leadership of Hamas was in one of the one of the rooms in the hospital and if any of those are true then Israel is legitimate in blowing it up anyway so that's where we are note that we are now what 10 days after the massacre the just the just horrific massacre people the Hamas committed and Israel is not placed any boots on the ground that we do Israel does not have any ground operations going on other than maybe special forces going on in Gaza I told you that Bibi would hesitate I told you Netanyahu is a wimp I he has been for 20 you know for 20 years of his premiership there are many generals in Israel who are talking the talk there Netanyahu talks to talk he's always a great talker he gives a great speech it's action that what matters and he's done nothing and you could argue that he's succumbing to American pressure I don't believe that for a minute he's letting himself succumb to American pressure I mean there's no question America's pressuring but he's letting himself succumb to that pressure the longer he waits the more he'll succumb to that pressure the the fact is the people he's added the people he's added to his cabinet also relatively weak the one former head of the Israeli military I think was a was a weakling when he was head of the Israeli military another one of those who do not want to act in the face of evil and what we've got now is an Israel that's that seems to be frozen in place in Israel that seems to be paralyzed I see interview after interview with soldiers and and and commanders on the ground saying we want to act we need the commander to go what are we waiting for and they're not getting it now they'll get something I mean something will happen but it's not going to be on the scale on the scope that is necessary in order to do what Netanyahu said he wanted to do which was dismantle Hamas on the ground up completely so it could never exist again that was his statement there's no indication that that is that that is actually going to happen again if you if you learn us if you listen to the beginning of the show I talk about who bombed the hospital so you know and this is going to happen every couple of days as long as it's a and it's going to happen even more when the ground campaign starts and the challenge even with the ground campaigners they'll go in Israel will suffer casualties civilians will die on the Palestinian side videos of the civilian dying will be broadcast all over the world and in the middle of a ground campaign I wouldn't be surprised if BB stopped it so this is not looking good in terms of what Israel is going to do and what Israel must do and I think and I think ultimately the worst sign is the fact that Biden is coming right Blinken was in meetings with the Israeli government for eight hours seven and a half eight hours was it yesterday they were four yesterday seven and a half eight hours what they got to talk about other than the pressure that us is putting in Israel to open up a humanitarian passage to bring in aid Israel should not bring in aid how do you aid your enemy when you're when you're in when you're in war imagine if if if this this bush did this as well they were dropping food packages in Afghanistan at the same time they were bombing them they were feeding the Taliban while they were trying to kill them it just is unthinkable this is Christian morality you know on steroids let's give them aid while we're fighting and again you cannot in a war separate the civilian population from the the ruling government and the ruling military and the ruling force and here it's doubly so because the reality is that this is a population supports Hamas this is a population voted for him for them and this is a population that as time after time after time in every poll taken supports Hamas over any other alternative out there they are genocidal they want to destroy the state of Israel they want to kill the Jews they want to drive them into the sea they need to suffer the consequences of their actions it doesn't mean you target civilians on purpose it doesn't mean you do any gratuitous gratuitous killing you shouldn't but okay Israel announced they're evacuating in the north and you know they don't have enough food and water that's their problem that is their problem they they got themselves into this mess you know what hey i'm willing to negotiate this i'd be willing to say okay free all the hostages and we'll provide humanitarian aid that's it but you see what Hamas wants and what Bibi and Biden are contemplating is a Hamas proposal to free all the hostages in exchange for Israel backing down on its war and that cannot be acceptable it cannot be acceptable to to retain the military and political force that inflicted the kind of massacre that occurred able to do it again that every couple of hours launches missiles into Israel has done this for years right now a lot of the settlements surrounding Gaza have been evacuated completely all the residents in those places tens of thousands of people have been told to leave unprecedented and what needs to be done is i mean i've said this from the beginning a proper military response basically is the hostages are dead our job is to defeat Hamas that's it if we find a way to save them if we find a way to get them out we'll get them out but we must act from military perspective as if they're all dead but nobody will do it nobody will do it so blinking was there for eight hours what were they talking about they were talking about all the ways in which Israel can compromise all the ways in which the United States wants to compromise know that blinking came back to Jerusalem to Tel Aviv actually where he was meeting with Netanyahu in the government after spending last week touring around all the wonderful civilized you know westernized countries of the middle east you know the UAE and Qatar he went to Qatar of course where Hamas is where the political leadership of Hamas is he went to Saudi Arabia and he got input he got input from all these wonderful friends of the United States friends of western civilization friends of the future and and what they told him was stop Israel you want us to be nice to you stop Israel and he came back to Israel and he told the government stop and again i've told you this from the beginning the Israeli government is weak and it's susceptible to any kind of any kind of pressure from the United States and the Biden administration is under a lot of pressure from the left wing of the democratic party and from its quote Arab allies to reign Israel in to stop them from destroying Hamas all kinds of stories are told you know the Arab world will rise up destabilize the world there's on and on and on it goes the reality is so the reality is that Israel could take on all of that it could take on Hezbollah it can take on Iran it can take on Hamas you know with this reserves fully you know and fully armed and with the with the United States commitment to supplying ammunition the the Israel can take on any enemy in the in the military in the Middle East but it is afraid of being isolated Netanyahu is acting like a weakling instead of acting strong and the fact that Biden is coming I mean wow I mean politically think about this he gets a he gets in the mid he's the first American president to visit Israel in the midst of a war he's one up in Kissinger he's one up in Nixon he'll express massive support for Israel will help Israel do anything everything and we allow them they completely have the right to self-defense they should be able to do anything to defend themselves but and then there'll be a lot of buts where they says the buts publicly or privately who knows and to kind of the the more what do you call it hawkish foreign policy segment of the democratic party he'll come off as a hero to the Jewish voters he'll come off as a hero of independence and some Republicans will view him as wow this is fantastic to the left wing he can tell them look I went there and I negotiated with Israel and Israel went soft on the Palestinians and they didn't do this and they didn't do that and and we got to maybe he'll get the hostages if Israel backs down completely who knows what's gonna happen but the point is this is brilliant politics it's awful policy it's awful strategy it makes Israel weak it makes Israel weaker and let me just note that there's a sense in which the struggle just like Ukraine Russia there's a sense in which that is really a war or conflict between you Russia and the West more broadly there was a strong sense in which what we're what we're seeing happen in Israel is going to determine the kind of the geopolitics of the world for the next few decades you know it's it's if Israel is weak that means America is weak that world in bold and and and Arab countries will see that right I mean Arab countries don't want to weak America they don't want to deal with the weak America and they don't want to and and they don't respect a weak Israel so what the Arab world will do is it'll turn to the alternative the alternative is China and the alternative is Russia and you've already seen that you've already seen that over the last year and a half two years they will turn to China and Russia for support and the United States is going to lose influence lose credibility lose you know it's ability to to illicit fear the weak America looks the weak America appears the weaker Israel is the weaker the West is the more likely it is that China invades Taiwan the more likely it is that Russia increases its aggression in Europe the more likely it is that both Russia and China increase their influence in the in a strategic area like the Middle East neither Israel nor America can afford to appear weak right now and yet the very fact that Biden is visiting Israel in spite of the fact that some people would view it as this massive show of support and so on which I think people are buying I think everybody's buying across the political map and I think what what will remain are the photos the photo ops or the main are the powerful speeches I mean he gave a good speech the other day about his support for Israel that will remain what's happening behind closed doors is is what's going to actual account so Biden will win politically and lose geopolitical Israel needs needed it's too late now Israel needed to preempt the Hezbollah it's probably America that stopped him it's probably the US that stopped him actually bringing in those aircraft carriers close to the Israeli coast and telling Israel don't worry we'll protect you from the Hezbollah you deal with Gaza if they intervene we'll help you not good for Israel not good for Israel because it prevented what needed to be you know it's so frustrating what needs to be an unrelenting brutal uncompromising response to what happened last week 10 days ago that's gone that's gone it's gone the momentum is gone the the more sudden she is gone the confidence is gone will support is gone you know Hamas couldn't have asked for anything more than this bombing of the hospital to galvanize that will support against Israel and and to and to remind people how you know of all the innocence in Gaza and all the all the all the challenges that occurred there I mean a proper war with Gaza 500 people dying would not be a significant number in the I think it was the first week of the first you know in the first three weeks of the war in Lebanon 1982 I think something like 20,000 people died on their Lebanese side many Palestinians some Lebanese Hezbollah well there was no Hezbollah then but the equivalent of I mean those are the kind of numbers that are going to have to have to die sadly well or not sadly depending on who they are for real war to be engaged and for victory to be achieved you cannot fight a war without killing people you cannot win a war without killing people you fight one but you can't win unless you're willing to kill people and I know nobody's out there is going to say that everybody's going to pretend that no you can separate the the civilians you can be very careful no you can't and if you are you're basically sacrificing your own soldiers and how is that mama how is that right so the right attitude needs to be you know your soldiers have rights and you should do whatever it can to protect your soldiers while inflicting and ending the war as quickly as possible but that is not going to happen and now it's just the question of how bad is it going to be how much compromise how bad is the compromise going to be how deep is the compromise going to be how long lasting is the compromise going to be is Israel really going to stop completely is it going to go in partially is it going to just bomb I really was seeing headlines today that these really is really officials are saying well you know dismantling Hamas doesn't mean putting troops on the ground yes it does as sad as that is because I feel bad for the soldiers who have to go in as sad as it is for the soldiers who are going to have to go in on the ground you're not going to be able to dismantle Hamas you're not going to be able to kill everybody that needs to killing you're not going to be able to get rid of those tunnels you're not going to be able to get rid of all the missiles and weapons and everything else you're not going to be demilitarized Gaza you're not going to be able to do the things that must be done and you're not going to be able to bring justice unless troops are on the ground and already Israel's talking about well they're alternatives the other things that can be done that they continue by air to assassinate Hamas leaders a couple of one of the political leaders and one of the military leaders were killed in the last 24 hours hooray not enough too little too little too slow pathetic this is what I said at 9 11 and this is why the you know the Afghan war took forever and Iraq was a disaster and islamic utilitarianism is still a threat to the west and this is what I'm saying now end the war by winning it get it over with and do it quickly I guess quickly is too late no there is no quickly anymore all right you know happy happy to answer questions on Hamas the war in Gaza and so on let's take on a few other topics and then and then we'll go to the questions Jim Jordan was the nominee current nominee for speak of the house the Republican he is one of the founders of the feet freedom caucus the freedom caucus who sold their soul to Donald Trump in during Donald Trump's presidency the freedom caucus that particularly Jordan who engaged in in the delusion and the the evasion of election fraud Jim Jordan that supported the attempts to overturn the 2020 election Jim Jordan was the best that the Republicans could do in coming up with a a leader for the House of Representatives uh he went up for a vote a couple of hours ago it was defeated so there were a few Republicans with the spine we'll see if they can keep that spine we'll see if they if they don't bend it we'll see if he can't control them or or negotiate with them to get their votes and become speaker of the House uh he still might there's still a chance that he will but for now the Republican leadership in the House of Representatives continues to be the Republican Party and the Republican Party is a political party that is completely in disarray whose leader Donald Trump is is you know is a is a is a loser who many within the party don't have anything to do with but who who many in the party the same people are also too afraid to admit that they don't have anything to do with him because the fact is that the Republican party base is completely enamored and committed to Donald Trump uh so uh you've got Donald Trump is done exactly what I predicted he would do what I predicted six years ago that he would do and that is destroy the Republican Party Republican Party is a shadow of itself uh it has no agenda it has no program uh other than uh I don't know Hunter Biden it has no commitment to any principles it it has forgotten the principles of this country the founding fathers or anything like that but just even politically it cannot get attacked together there's zero reason to get rid of McCarthy from a Republican perspective not that I like McCarthy Scalia Sue is going to replace him Scully whatever uh you know was was fine uh you know but they couldn't get enough votes Jordan is terrible got more votes but not enough uh in the House of Representatives so the first time in its history has no speaker of the House and legislation cannot get passed the House cannot function without a speaker and the Republicans then completely out of disarray you know this is and of course the the complete disaster there is a Republican party can also be seen by the fact that um that uh their whole debate in which the leading candidate doesn't even show up so is you running as a Republican the Republican party has any control over him does he care did they care does anybody care about anything here's the leading candidate not showing it for debates still leading doesn't matter the rest is just a beauty contest for what nobody exactly knows just in case I guess he dies or gets imprisoned um yeah it's a it's a completely dysfunctional political party now and um it's over yet all right uh so that's where we are I think there'll be another vote tomorrow the day after Jordan will keep hamming away until he can get all the votes remember that Republicans because of Trump have a very very small margin Trump and abortion have a very very small margin in the House of Representatives and as a consequence they need pretty much every Republican to vote for Jim Jordan who is terrible by the way just terrible all right um yeah I'm not gonna say a lot about this we'll keep doing deep dives into this over time but um the reality is that at least in aggregate numbers uh and as compared to the rest of the world the U.S. economy continues to do fairly well um inflation is still with us it it that was I think disappointed many people is that inflation is stickier than people thought it would would be and expected it to go down uh but at the same time in spite of some of the fastest rate hikes in American history uh in in spite of a inverted inverted yield curve where long-term rates for a long time were lower than short-term rates which is a predictive recession recession is not coming or at least hasn't come yet and uh the economy just seems to be chugging along investments continue to be made and employment is still super high and wages are increasing you know with inflation at least uh and it's um it's pretty amazing surprising uh and something that I think economists are gonna economists are gonna be puzzled by for a a long long time because it it it kind of doesn't make sense and it's hard for people to get their hands around it in the meantime with China things continue to look bleak the real estate market continues to implode uh Everglade the the big real estate developer might have to be forced to liquidate and and all that investment in real estate is is to a large extent gonna be a lot of it is gonna be a net loss for the Chinese economy other Chinese real estate developers are also in big trouble Everglades is not the only one they're defaulting on bonds and some of them other ones might be liquidated that's insanity in the meantime the Chinese government is encouraging massive investment in manufacturing so there's huge investment in factories manufacturing production is it market driven is there demand for all the stuff they're gonna make what is that gonna do now the good thing about all this is China investing hugely in manufacturing means cheaper goods for us it means uh abundance of supply which will drive prices down which is which will counter some of the inflationary pressures that the United States faces so this economic some of these economic troubles in China might actually and the way the Chinese government is choosing to deal with them might in the end help the US at least in the short run a little bit but but China's economy is a real disaster which again is a challenge for them as they are flexing their muscle muscles in a geopolitical sense as they are very ambitious in a geopolitical sense they're very weak economically and and struggling economically and it's a challenge the United States is doing much better than anybody expected if you look at global estimates of economic growth the United States surpasses them and every single other region in the world is below expectations and China is doing much worse than people expected and that is an interesting combination given the geopolitics of the whole thing given Xi is you know is his economic weakness is that gonna drive China toward war right a lot of times when the economy is weak you want to distract people from economic hardships you start a war now I don't think China economy is bad enough to think that that's gonna happen but the reality is that in human history often when things go bad economically the rulers decide to launch a war a war as a attempt to remedy the situation all right finally finally a piece of good news I really wanted to I really wanted to refer you to this because I think it's just it's just fabulous so Mark Andreessen the venture capitalist with with 16z and Andreessen Ho it's the venture capital firm he has launched or is published what he's called the techno optimist manifesto manifesto um and it's just a matter of a pro tech pro progress pro economic growth pro economic abundance a document and it's just it's just a fun read sadly he has no clue about the the philosophical the philosophy needed for his you know technology optimism to become a reality but it's still refreshing and amazing to see somebody write positively about the world he starts off the manifesto with something called lies what are these lies we're told the technology takes our jobs reduces our wages increases inequality threatens our health ruins the environment degrades our society crops our children impairs our humanity threatens our future and is ever on the verge of ruining everything we are told to be angry better resentful about technology we are told to be pessimistic the method Prometheus in various updates like Frankenstein up in high Emma and Terminator haunt our nightmares we are told to denounce our birthright our intelligence our control over nature our ability to build a better world notice that is huge what is malkin recent view is our birthright our birthright is our intelligence our control over nature our ability to build a better world now that's that's our Iran right there this is our birthright is reason our birthright is ability to control nature that's beautiful we are told to be miserable about the future but the truth is he writes our civilization was built in technology our civilization is built in technology technology is the glory of human ambition and achievement the spearhead of progress and the realization of our potential for hundreds of years we properly glorified this until recently i'm not sure that's true maybe for a hundred years but not hundreds i'm here to bring the good news we can advance to a far superior way of living and of being we have the tools the systems the ideas we have the will it is time once again to raise the technology flag it is time to be a techno optimist and he goes on you know to explain the value of markets the how technology how capital is important to central planning doesn't work um and yeah it's it's just a very simple very pithy very pithy language and manifesto not a not a philosophy book unfortunately you know it would be nice to go one step a little deeper so at some point there is the meaning of life he has techno optimism is a material philosophy it's not really a philosophy not a political philosophy we're not necessarily left-wing although some of us are we are not necessarily right-wing although some of us are we are materially focused for a reason to open the aperture on how we may choose to live amid material abundance a common critique of technology is that it removes choice from our lives as machines make decisions for us this is abundant undoubtedly true yet more than offset by the freedom to create our lives that flows from the material abundance created by our own machines material abundance from markets and technology opens a space for religion politics and for choices on how to live socially individually yeah but religion undermines us because it undermines reason so you see sadly he can't escape deep ideas he he he pretends as libertarians and and and many pro technology pro markets pro capitalism people have forever that you can have this overlay of a of a system that produces abundance no matter what the philosophical foundation the cultural foundations are and that just is not true sadly it's not true religion matters politics matters philosophy matters i'm not sure i understand i'm not talking to you elect uh not alexa all right um anyways so uh it's an interesting document i'll probably do a whole show on it at some point but i thought i'd point it out you can go to a 16 the number 16 z.com then the slash techno slash optimus slash manifesto uh to find it i'll probably put it up on um on um yeah so i'm sharing it right now on uh twitter so yeah there's x x is confusing uh so those of you who want to see it can see it but it's uh it really is and i also put the link in the chat so for those of you on the chat can also see it there but uh this is great stuff uh and uh malkin recent in spite of real significant flaws uh in spite of not wanting to dig deep into the philosophy he quotes on rand all the time on twitter he's clearly a fan he follows me on twitter i don't think he's dropped me since the Gaza thing and um he's one of the good guys i think out there he's one of the good guys out there and in a particularly times like this where it's so easy to be down and there's so much bad going on in the world and i think it's going to get worse before it gets better it's good that there are people out there actually creating stuff and building stuff and making stuff and thinking about how to create and build and make and thinking about how to build a better world and how i mean part of what i liked about this manifesto is he talks about abundance right we believe we should place intelligence and energy in a positive feedback loop and drive them both to infinity i like that we believe we should use the feedback loop of intelligence and energy to make everything we want and need abundant yeah that's what it does now we'll always want more we'll always want more so the idea is growth economic growth economic abundance imagine if the Arab world had this view imagine if Hamas had this view win-win the win-win relationship of of economic growth and abundance i mean sadly when you have a shrinking economy when you have a authoritarian economy when you have an economy where you cannot live and very hard to live and when your choices are limited by government what happens is that you seriously start viewing the world as a zero-sum game and therefore a zero-sum viewing the world as some game is the entree into violence because then somebody else has stuff i want it i take it and i'm justified in taking it because there's only this is all there is and why does he have it you know zero-sum world the perspective of zero-sum world is a perspective of it's an anti-production and anti-creation and anti-trade mentality and sadly that is the mentality of a growing number of people around the world and the more that mentality dominates the more violence there will be in the world okay let's take on some of your questions regarding most of these about Gaza west thank you for the $50 really appreciate it i was just reading an article about why why Gaza is an open air prison it was so full of distortions and context dropping that it was unreal yes i mean one of the really really really really sad things that you're seeing on the internet is the extent to which people are ignorant the extent people don't care that they're ignorant to extent people are make stuff up they can't think really can't think i mean i mean this is why i said so many of these big yellow materials of brain dead they really can't think and this open air prison is a great example i mean why is it an open you know what makes it an open air prison the fact that so it is true that when the border with Gaza was completely open and you know Palestinians came into Israel during certain periods of time and particularly during the early 2000s they used the opportunity to come into Israel to blow up buses to blow up coffee shops to to be to engage in violence uh Israel decided it had enough and it closed the border with them it still allows about several thousand maybe i think about 20 000 of them to come into Israel every day to work it hasn't since obviously the massacre but it it it still does they still are able to come to work but even there some of those people now it turns out participated in what Hamas did maybe they were already you know spying and and figuring out where the weaknesses of the system were so it's it's not a prison and to the extent that it feels like a prison that's Hamas choice you engage in violence you suffer the consequence of violence now the other aspect of this is they're free to leave by boat to go anywhere they want as long as in south israel and to the extent that countries won't accept them as immigrants they're the ones holding them back to the extent that the border with egypt is closed and they cannot go to egypt one has to ask why is egypt not one these people why is egypt blocking their path maybe because they don't want people with a militant islamist totalitarian ideology they've got enough of isis and al qaeda and muslim brotherhood in egypt without importing some Hamas so the conditions in Gaza every aspect of the conditions in Gaza are the fault of the palestinians every single one of them and they had every opportunity still have every opportunity all we have to do now is is Hamas needs to surrender disarm i'm sure money will flow in there and instead of taking that money that's been flowing in billions and billions and billions of dollars of arab money of western money of american money's flowed in there instead of using that money to build weapons into basically subjugate their own population uh the new leadership of the Gaza strip can use that money to rebuild and create industry and build hotels and and and build infrastructure and create a paradise in Gaza there's there's no reason and if it turns out that the you know let me one more point about this Hamas rules a state it's basically a state Gaza is a country where the ruling political party in in its in its manifesto declares that it wants to eradicate its neighbor it wants to eradicate Israel now think about that think about that um they want to you've got a neighboring country that wants to eradicate you and people are saying you should have open borders with them people are saying uh you know you should give them electricity and water and and provide them provide them with cement so they can build tunnels providing them with with metals so they can build weapons to provide them with might as well just provide them with the weapons to kill you i mean it's it's just the stupidity of this the ignorance involved is just unbelievable and that's why i'm saying it's immoral these people immoral they don't want to think they don't want to look at reality they're evasive immoral idiots ignorant idiots can you mean ignorant yeah sure you can be ignorant idiot idiot and you know uh so yeah it it's bizarre how can you have a government that believes in eradicating its neighbor and and not have it closed off right not having closed off it's absurd um so uh yeah everything in Gaza is Gausson's fault they elected Hamas they support the Hamas they work for Hamas they haven't fled they haven't left they've stayed there they haven't put pressure on Egypt to to leave they haven't risen up to to replace Hamas indeed the majority of Palestinians still support Hamas it's their fault now is it the fault of the children of course not but children always suffer for the decisions that their parents make or benefit if the decision is a good decision in instead of specific warnings why doesn't the IDF say if you aren't in Hamas get away from any Hamas personnel equipment or facilities anyone near Hamas is at risk until Hamas is defeated or conditionally surrendered or mainly because Hamas is everywhere what does that even mean i mean for all i know half the male population in in Gaza is Hamas in one way or the other it what about the people support Hamas defend Hamas uh uh uh go to Hamas's rallies but you know but what but from a Gaza perspective what about the fact that Hamas has built tunnels under your home how do you know there's a tunnel under your home it's just not realistic in a in a small space like that where two million people are huddled together in one of the most densely populated places on earth to say separate yourself from Hamas now what Israel can do is say and they just did this go south we're gonna destroy north go south leave and then what's what does Hamas do it prevents people from believing because Hamas wants people to die it wants children to die it wants the pictures it wants the headlines there are tunnels everywhere not just under Gaza city everywhere so you know one of the Israeli generals or former generals that i so said tell the Gazans to go to the beach basically from the waterline there are no tides in the Mediterranean so for the waterline to the building line build tents live there everything else is open for destruction yourselves doing stuff like that but they're not going and they're not going because Hamas won't let them so there's no way to do this there's no way to practically separate innocence from nonsense particularly when the enemy doesn't want to be separated from them they want to use them as human shields they can't leave Gaza nobody will take them the Egyptians don't want them and nobody else in the world wants them because know that in my mind that any compound they find a compound they find a dangerously rigged to blow up they're eager to be martyrs even the basements of civilian homes and hospitals people don't get Israel needs its soldiers for other enemies yeah i mean there's no question that all of this is rigged and blown up but you know you're not going to discover that until you go in there and start blowing stuff up the way to do it is not go into the tunnels the way to do it is to blow up the tunnels to destroy them right it says i think it's immoral to choose to have children in Gaza or any other authoritarian state when you know there's an alternative it is better to risk your life to escape to a better country before starting a family yeah and then if you make it to the u.s and you have a baby in the u.s vivic and and trump and and and all of their supporters want and uh and um i think the census uh and want to do away with both right citizenship if they want to send you right back to the hell i mean we live in a in a world of immorality where people who want to make a better life who want to give their children a better life are denied that by force through coercion why can't stand with us explain the history of the levant the way you do your own it just isn't fair well because they're morally conflicted they they have they feel guilt they feel altruism the Palestinians are suffering there has to be some reason for the suffering it can't they can't actually take a moral stand you you can't have moral confidence don't judge that's them that's a that's a a standard philosophical statement today don't don't judge it's it's it's wrong to judge make moral judgment who are you to make moral judgment so they don't so even though they're pro-israel they can't be fully pro-israel because they refuse to appropriately and properly uh you know judge their enemy i can do it because i've moral confidence i've knowledge but i'm willing to judge i'm willing to say evil good not great but good could be better people don't have that they don't have that vocabulary morally how do you handle my class how do you handle obnoxious people i don't know how to handle obnoxious people i usually just ignore them after i realize that they're just obnoxious people i try to ignore them i i i invest a little bit just to make sure that i'm not being unfair to them and then i walk away well that's not true i mean scott is still here i tolerate some obnoxious people mainly for the entertainment value michael says uh why is trump criticizing it and you're publicly not supporting israel is he appealing to his anti-semitic base i see the santas has been exploiting this yeah i mean he's appealing to the isolationist to the conspiracy theorists to all the people who you know whether they're explicitly anti-semitic or just a little anti-semitic or things like that um this is trump trump it has no conception of good and evil of of good guys bad guys he has all this conception is of what it does how does he look vis-a-vis them and he sees no value right now in trying to out like israel when when that's the corner biden's it right biden's pro-israel and you'll see the right particularly the grassroots right is going to go more and more negative on israel vivic already does this a little bit more and more negative on israel um because the left is pro-israel so they must be wrong if if the left holds something then they must hold the opposite and uh i think you'll see this i think israel has very few real allies in the united states because i think the right with the evangelical love of israel for biblically reasons is pathetic and the left the old god loved israel but the new god hates israel so the the democratic party is becoming less and less pro-israel and i think ultimately the republican party will be less and less pro-israel i think israel's is long term in deep trouble in terms of its alliance with uh the u.s and i think it's one of the reasons israel has such robust trade relationships with uh china but china in this conflict it's clearly siding with palestinians it's clearly turning its back on israel and i think israel's going to have a really hard decision going forward israel is a massive trading partner with china and i think it's true that israel sells weapons to china and israel's going to have to really think whether that makes any sense michael says is anti-semitism a political formation a political strategy to unite people who are through hatred and conspiracy theories in order to take power no i don't think so i i think it suddenly predates politics and and it's it's much more metaphysical or epistemological it's much more uh about you know kind of a view of the nature of the universe and the nature of evil it is a view that holds that there are elements in this world that are driven through genetics to do evil and the jews have always fit that category and and and you know remember the jews killed supposedly killed jesus and all the conspiracy theories in one way or another relate to jews and uh so this is far deeper it's far more meaningful than political and i and right now it doesn't have to unify because most anti-semit semites are isolated and small but it could one day it certainly could one day those sivanos thank you for the fifty dollars in the face of catastrophes like these i sometimes fantasize about how a superhero might solve the problem since regular people seem unwilling or unable how would you call to deal with gaza batman or superman hero of your choice i mean they're both too altruistic which one of them is not allowed to kill anybody like superman's not allowed to kill i think that's right so superman's out um i think batman's allowed to kill so i'd go with batman batman's also human and not a superhero which i like but batman can't do it alone what is it the league iron man there we go could iron man kill people is he allowed um yeah i get it i don't like superheroes who can't kill i mean what a what a travesty and the movies all bring that out and almost all the superheroes including batman until the end of the third movie altruistic they suffer they they they constantly give up personal values to save the world but they can never find happiness and by definition to be a hero means no happiness some of the things i resent about to be yours thank you sivanos liam says what do you think of benny gantz do you think he will be one to replace netanyel once this is over i don't know it depends on how the war goes he is now in the cabinet he is a netanyel sidekick um as a general my sense and i'm not expert on this but my sense was that he's weak that he was part of the shift in the israeli military towards just war theory part of the shift in the idea towards altruism part of the and and uh also part of the shift towards weakening the israeli army and and ignoring the threats around it so i'm not a big benny gantz fan even though he was you know he's he's liked in israel and done well and now he's part of the sanny netanyel government if they actually execute a war and they win it and israeli public is satisfied with him winning then benny gantz's willingness to join with netanyel will be viewed as a significant plus and he will be allowed to he will probably replace netanyel but i don't predict that the war is going to go that welfare zone because i don't think they're willing to do what's necessary to win it so i'm not sure being associated with netanyel right now is a good thing we'll see harpa says is the idf the most altruistic army in the world no the american army is the most altruistic army in the world and and and everything about altruism that the israeli army engaged in engages in it learned from the american army american army invented this stuff made up this stuff and has has globalized it and israel has learned from america it was not it's not so the u.s army and you could see that in iraqi it's in afghanistan is the more and you can see the fact that we have troops in 120 different countries is the most altruistic army in the world james says do some people not even know the nihilists yeah i think most nihilists don't know the nazis they can't put it into real words claus says what do you make of tucker carlson's interview with virik about israel ben shapiro and ben shapiro's response i mean i only saw bits of it and virik was as usual i think completely wrong um about this i mean he has no conception of foreign policy but i'd have to watch it again to really comment i think ben shapiro has been very good and i find it fascinating to see the right attacking ben shapiro and and abandoning ben shapiro and it just shows how deep anti-semitism and anti-israel runs how deep it runs within the republican party and within among conservatives jesson said i thought bb would be ruthless i told you wouldn't if you listen to me you won't think things that are false for the most part all right michael says the left is very upset the israeli defense minister referred to bastians as animals what a thing to focus on yeah and this is the problem israel won't defend that statement it should it should defend the use of animals it animals deal with other human beings by means of force it is the only way they have to deal with other human beings chamas by dealing by trying to resolve whatever problems it has whatever disputes it has throughout its history by means of force acting like animals that's the very definition of an animal and what separates animals from human beings is the ability to deal with issues through reason and that's what chamas is negating they're negating the humanity they're negating the very essence of what it means to be human michael says is how much the modern day i stuns group group in i don't know i don't i i don't see any reason to have these kind of analogies chamas is chamas it's it's they're not nazis they're evil islamists indeed nazis it's bad to call them nazis because by calling them nazis it causes us to forget that they are adherents of a barbaric primitive homicidal religion or at least a variation in that religion and there's all those things and let's not forget that and we shouldn't forget that friend harper says jason nikos okan talk i'm listening to lions gate by steven pressfield have you read it interesting perspective i've not i've not read it wc zian says mark often talks about the ancient city of fustel de colongas and the managerial revolution by james burnham have you read it i have not i've not this is uh mark and jason i've not it's too bad he didn't take his iron man more seriously he would be a good student for the iron man university innocence always die in the wars but far more innocence died when particular wars are not fought which should be fought yes absolutely all right cool we're done um maybe we'll do a show tomorrow i'm not sure i'm gonna try to do one every day i'll try to do thursday and friday as well from that'll be from tbilisi i'll be even more hours away from you i'm not sure exactly how many hours i need to calculate that so but um but anyway uh stay safe guys out there it's it's a it's a crazy world particularly right now um the the the evil evil is uh is definitely energized right now so be careful um and uh don't forget all the resources available at the iron man institute website particularly if you go through iron man not org start here and remember vpn express is also a sponsor of the show if you go vpn express slash your on dot com slash your on you can get an extra three months free on your vpn express all right guys i will see you all maybe tomorrow maybe later in the week depends on the travails of travel bye everybody