 Great. Well, I'm visual asset news. My name is Rob and today we got a lot of stuff to go over. So let's just jump right in First we're going to talk about the markets what's going on and how it's correlated or uncorrelated Then we're going to talk about why people are missing out. This is a new survey that I took a look at I was just shocked that the responses that you got Also, we'll take a look at Cardinals Vazal upgrade and what it what it is how far along it is and why I think it's a It's a pretty big opportunity just for some things that's really been going along quite swimmingly And lastly, we'll do take a look at a project called cornucopia's which is built on Cardano And it's a p2e b2e and L2e, which is kind of interesting and lastly we'll do a little Q&A So first things first let's take a look what's going on into the markets today. It is the 23rd thing somewhere on there and Market's kind of boring. I must admit so our 24th. Excuse me 24th 1 p.m. Or so Mountain time and Yeah, I mean nothing really nothing a big concern or anything to go right home about Bitcoin's that bit coins up a little bit point six ethereum's up a little bit point eight But I mean just for 24 hours. That's great. That's cute. It's adorable But if you take a look the seven day, we're still down pretty pretty heavy and we're at 1.09 trillion I don't expect that to last for a while But I mean today is just one of those days where it's just kind of bumping sideways very boring. That's exactly What's going on and I really don't Related well Kind of S&P 500 up a little bit. We're up a little bit Nasdaq's up a little bit But if you take a look Again over seven days, we're not looking too hot take a look at S&P 500 over five days same thing We're not looking too hot either Nasdaq not looking too hot. I mean they're down as well So again when you take it a look at these things just remember It's all about what I call teeter totter or the portfolio balance You want to balance some type of risk? So I want to say a shout out Thanks to a sponsor of the show of the channel masterworks So when things when something is going down one of the part to go up one part goes down You want another part to go up so a crypto goes down? Hey, maybe if the housing market goes up, that'd be best So for me like I have a couple of these Fractionalized shares of artwork. I got to a Banksy and a basket No idea who a basket is well, I learned a little bit Banksy and a little bit about that one But it's just fractionalized shares of artwork and then so far since I've invested in October 2021 I'm up 40% which is pretty nice if you think about it because the performance has been pretty good year over year and this is their last returns that they've had and One thing that's interesting to me is that masterworks these fractionalized shares of art They I'll perform right now the traditional markets and they're outperforming crypto right now So they're up above Russell Nasdaq S&P 500 and they're up 15% for the year You know why because rich people are crazy. That's why this is a Banksy piece of art And it's all for 25.4 million the one that was shredded the original one that Banksy made That's all for 1.6 million it originally got and then it immediately got shredded and then some rich people go That sounds good. I'm gonna buy that because they don't really care what's going on. They're rich so just remember if you're looking into it as a way to balance a Portfolio, this is just what I do am I telling you what to do, but they are registered with the SEC because these are Securities and that just makes sense to me and you can find them right there on the website If you want to skip the line again, everything I have my in the comments or the description is affiliate links You don't have to use them But if you do you'll skip the wait list and you can check that out So that's what's going on now that I want to talk to you real quick about This survey and I think this is more relevant for people that are just getting in like If you've been here for a while Which I assume you have been because you're here right now if you just got in and run 2021 a lot of you Left and that's okay because I get it because it's very tough But I think people are missing the big point again. This isn't really talking to you but I I just want to share with you some of them some of the the mentality of The basic investors. So this was an article from coin telegraph Nearly half of us adults say their crypto punts are worse than expected And I was looking at this. I'm like, really? I mean, I think I did pretty good since 2017 just uh, you know, taking my time dollar cost averaging But I get it. So this was new data from a Pew Research Center survey Showed that 46 of adult crypto users in the us are seeing lower than expected returns And I'm like, well, I guess depends on what you got in the survey gather responses from our 6 000 randomly selected adults across the us The majority of respondents who said they had invested in crypto said that they saw lower than expected returns And only 15 of the people said they had done better than what they expected So that's really it's pretty much half and half 31 15 46 So the better than expected are about the same and 46 interesting part though is that The people that were asked Half of them were women But I mean, that's not a big deal But the thing that was interesting was that people over 50 years old represented the largest sample size So I'm like, that's kind of interesting I wouldn't think that people over 50 would be investing that heavily Into crypto. Remember, it's just a sample size of 6 000 people overall I'm guessing maybe a little bit more gen x millennials type of uh investors And then this is why us investors piled into crypto on its heyday And if that's you don't worry if you got into in 2021 Uh, I got in 2017 during at the all-time high, you know, why because numbers go up and that's really all I cared about I didn't understand uh the The underpinning of of the projects and what they could do So of course, I you know, when you get any just want to say, oh, it's going up and that's good And you don't really have too much of it as far as like an investment mentality and then when it crashes like I gotta get out of here That's just the wrong thing us investors piled in the crypto coin Coin telegraph reported that roughly 70 percent of crypto holders In the u.s. Started investing in crypto such as bitcoin in 2021 The year which saw it reaching all-time high separate poll found nearly half Of the more than 700 baby boomers and gen x From all the world already owned crypto are planning to buy so again I don't think this really relates to you the one who was watching this show I had a lot of people in the bull markets. Uh, they were really big into telling me What the next big project was going to be and then those products don't exist anymore, but uh It's just the same thing. It repeats over and over again People get in 2017 they get crushed in 2018. They leave I just didn't leave because I want to do my as much research as I could just I just figured look I'm not in the business of losing money. I'll just stick around the same thing in 2021 people like some people left And uh, they'll probably won't come back until 2025. We have a next bull run But the people that are here right now that are building and doing things and investing I think those are the ones that are really going to Really going to harvest uh, a pretty good outcome as time goes on So let me just think about that in the comment section. Let's move on to the the piece The Cardinals Vosel upgrade so This has been getting a pretty bad rap Uh, recently and even Charles Hoskinson came on and was It's like hey, why is everybody bitching so much about this? I don't understand. I mean That's what the test that to me. That's what the test that's supposed to be for right You find some errors you patch those errors and you move on. Thank god It wasn't on the main net and uh, people get uh, you know lose everything That's I guess that's what uh, that's what bridges are for But uh, if you don't know the vasal upgrade Uh, will bring increased functionality performance scalability and interoperability to cardano through new features And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go through all these because I'm not a technical person. I don't think this is the channel for Uh, technical information. I'm not a developer if you want to find somebody who's really smart knows that go to overdo hashoshi He's got that locked down put simply Vasal is the most significant network upgrade since the deployment of staking via shelly The upgrade will implement widely anticipated features such as diffusion pipelining an upgrade to the plutus Cardano's core smart contract language and this is all I care about What's deficient diffusion pipelining? Division pipelining steps things up a gear by improving block propagation times thus enabling higher throughput or transactions per second That's what I care about. I want to see a little bit faster and as an investor That's great. Now. There's some more things in here which talks about reference inputs and inline datums and reference scripts But uh, if you want to read that have fun that almost put me to sleep I put that in the comment section and you can check it out, but it looks like it's going to be great So here's the thing This is where we're at. There's a lot of issues or some issues with the test net They had to delay it. It was supposed to happen. I believe in sort of end of june push out the july Now here we are in august. I really don't care But now here's where we're at. Cardano was halfway through the vows of upgrade and this is why Going to data provided by pool tool It says 36 of stake pool operators have updated their node diversion 1.35.3 Which was released last week. Although the picture shows 46 or whatever and actually If you go to pool tool and I did link this in the description, you can check this out See right here. It says nodes reporting version Those are all the stake pool operators that have upgraded to 1.35.3 Which is for the vasal upgrade vasal upgrade and you can see that you still got 35 just kind of sitting around waiting That's actually us. That's that's the denew stake pool We're waiting for a little more confirmation to see how this all works out But we're already already over the 51 and this is the other ones are 1.33 1.35 And and that's just the 1 percenters who I don't think really do too much, but I'm not for sure So right now we're over 51. What does that mean? I'll get into it So IOHK and put output has to onboard at least 25 crypto exchanges before the main net launch takes place in order to ensure a sufficient level of Liquidity great. Not sure how far they are on that one. Go check out charles hossinson's youtube Channel. He's always updating those types of thing. I would like to have him on the show one time That would be great. I could ask him all these questions instead of having to refer to his channel Cardano's decentralized development community also has to rally behind the vasal vasal hard fork before it gets implemented. All right Vasal up grows initially supposed to go live on june then push back The Alonso hard fork was launched last september has enabled some more contracts Ada token Has underperformed do the test net controversy shedding 18 percent Over the past week. So anyhow, there was a point in here This is the thing I didn't 75 percent of spos are required to upgrade their nodes Before the much awaited upgrade takes place And we're just waiting to see how it goes But I think we might be upgrading today Got to check with the team but if we're 51 percent, that's pretty good. The thing I wanted to Focus your attention on is this Ada tokens underperformed Eight it's shed 18 percent over the past week 18 percent and why Did it get hacked? Was there some downtime? Was there some issue while there was issues with the test net? That's a test net You think they're gonna you think it's gonna take as long For them to get to this vasal upgrade as much that it takes for a theorem you could say 3m 2.0 I'm just kidding. It's not gonna take that long But if we're down 17 percent and if you just google if you just google vasal upgrade news or updates There's some pretty negative comments out there so I can see why it's actually gone down So I mean look at this 59 cents almost 60 cents Went down to almost 40 cents around here So what do you think's gonna happen when they come out and announce? Hey vasal upgrades done And he's going good That was the whole point of testing that to figure out the screw-ups now here we are I think it's a good opportunity to Do whatever it is that you do With that information. I'm not a financial advisor. I can't tell you what to do But for me not a bad idea to for me in my portfolio To get into a little bit more Cardano that's just me and then also just as a side note I know people talk about it being a vaporware There's a link in the description I call it the cardano ghost chain and you can look at all these different slides But there's a lot of projects being built on cardano. I mean right now you got 1003 and that's just from 6th of june. I don't know what's going on right now But it's probably a little bit more which will lead me to my next point cornucopious cornucopious Is a play-to-earn game. I thought it was just a play-to-earn game, but apparently I'm incorrect and It's using the unreal engine 5. I'm not a big developer. I just know it's got some really great graphics And it looks pretty cool but there's been some questions about how long this is going to take because there has been some Lengthening of what's happening and how long it's going to be. So what I did was reach out to the guys And this is cornucopious and just so you know It's interesting because like everything's sold out. Where'd it go? All the land sold out on june 3rd And then for the launch pads a token launch Vent paid and Occam Phi they all sold out too. So Good luck with that But it looks like an interesting project and I brought in two of the founders or co-founders one is robber greg I think I said that He's uh been building businesses and developing software for 20 years various industries real estate monitoring cloud api business sort of one largest real estate in uk And then also josh stake pool operator grow your stake mission driven clean water for all chrono stake pool You can use that one or dnews, which we want to do And I brought these guys in just to talk about what's going on with cornucopia is because I mean we have been talking like a year ago To have these guys on they're like, I will get to it. We're busy Then I heard some rumblings about uh, you know them not Producing enough so I'm like, okay, this will be a good time. So anyhow listen to this interview It's a little bit on the longer side. We're looking about 20 minutes But if you are a cardano fan or maybe you want to know about a cornucopia This will be the video to listen to and after this we'll do a little q&a. So just take a listen Everybody so as promised what I want to do is I want to Talk to a couple gentlemen who could give us more insight as to what is going on with this this game cornucopia is built on the cardano Platform so josh and rob. We've already been introduced. First of all, thanks for stopping by. I appreciate it Thanks for having us. It's good to be here. Hello there This has been a long time coming. How many times have we missed have we missed opportunities to get together? Yeah, it's quite a while. I feel like we've been talking since before You know, we're definitely 2021 is when we first met. Yeah I know and and everybody on the show says the same thing. So like rob. What's what what kind of games you're looking forward to? I'm like, yeah, this this this and cornucopias. I'm like, you should talk to those guys. I'm like, I am talking to these guys So so that's what's been going on. So so gents. What we'll do is I've got four questions for you And uh, the big thing is let's just catch everybody at the speed first of all What's cornucopia is what makes it different from a random play to earn game? Second one is how is the community come along? How has it grown and talk about the team that's building this project because you don't really know where you're going until you Know where you've been especially with the team aspect and then One of the last ones I want to talk about is delivery because hear rumblings about, you know, why is this You know, what's going on behind the scenes? Why is this taking so long? And it's the same thing that I hear on on different projects. So I just I want to give people what they want. Lastly, of course When moon so Let's start with the first one and you guys can take it as any way you want to What's cornucopia's and what makes it different from any play to earn games? I don't I look it looks nice. Looks great. But what makes it different? Yeah, yeah, we'll start with uh play to earn. So we actually we're we're changing the way we're phrasing that to play and earn And we also what's different is we also have build and earn and learned and earn In the in the much further future, but play and build are lots going to be a lot available quite a bit more soon Which is which is great. So yeah, we we want to build it so that it is fun And earning happens to be a part that comes with that But you know, we we're building this so that people want to play and and what it is It's a variety of different lands cornucopia's is uh, there's going to be theme zones a variety of different theme zones That people can go in and it has a certain look and feel And you can take raw materials and you can build and participate in this in an in-game economy There's eventually going to be a city where people can do different kinds of commerce there as well And then there's also these custom domes, which are very interesting That's that sale is coming up here in a couple of days actually on friday saturday and sunday We're going to do the nft custom dome sale and what those are those are different those are for And this is very different those are for the entrepreneur The person that wants to get in and build out a pvp game for example Or they want to bring in their nft projects and showcase them and just build out custom buildings It's not just for the entrepreneur You might want to just get in there and and build uh use our building kit and build out a commercial building On a tropical island and use the tropical building kit as well And so there's a variety of building kits that we're going to provide people that own these nfts So that they can build out their own custom pvp game, or you know, whatever it is So uh have a concert a festival experience, which you've seen in that video That we showed you as well So there's a lot going on with the project and a lot that makes this different I could I could really talk about that for quite a while The final thing that i'll say though is we're Some of the few that are already Really significantly using Unreal Engine 5 because that just came available about three months ago And we're we're spearheading that with with the UE5 Technology and it allows for a lot It's the most significant release in gaming history Of of any gaming engine and we are on the forefront of that a lot of other projects Couldn't start with that because they're so far along with UE4 That it's just going to take them six months to a year to transfer all their assets over to UE5 So there's a lot that we've been able to capitalize on And in using that technology. Yeah, I don't know Rob would add anything to that or not Yeah, Rob. What do you got here? Yeah, I mean the our game itself is is a metaverse and and the metaverse Is in is in different different parts to it So we're starting off with the gaming side where where you can travel from from one zone to another zone and And interact and there's a whole economies That happen with happen within there and and zones trading with other zones and and lots of lots of mechanics to get really stuck into it And then I think it's really really exciting and we've gamified that And then later on we're also building a city and that's going to be more How people kind of expect the metaverse to to be with with people then walking around and interacting with each other But the the main focus of our game is that it's going to be A great looking metaverse built on on UE5 and it's going to be fun fun A fun game is at the heart of what we're doing along the side with the with the community Yeah, sounds good And then as you guys were talking I spliced in just a little bit of the the video So just real quick on that video that we just saw on the overlay How much of that was was actual in gameplay and how much was that was a rendering? Was that all rendering or was that it actually was no, there's actual real gameplay in there for sure and and yeah, like That is a rendering to give a cinematic effect But don't let that take away from the reality of we had to build those assets so that you could run around and do these Things right now. So for example in copic cafe Which is that's a show that rob and I do where we both communicate as CEOs to our community what we're up to Right, that's all it is. It's just kind of direct to our community We did a video last week where we showcased we had our devs on there running around in that building Showing the nfts looking around at the bubble jets and the the art that's in the building and and you know So to prove to people no, these are real assets. We're not building something just for show Yes, we want to showcase things in a very sexy and cinematic way But that's with the actual assets that have been entirely custom produced And are ready to go and there's you can run around and and do demos So we've got a lot of demo videos on our youtube channel and we've got more coming soon Great Yeah, so i'll link that youtube channel below you guys can check it out And then I guess that would live in my next perfect segue question So how's the community coming along and then talk about all the things that's that's being built in the team that's building this project Yeah, the the team we now have 25 internal staff And 15 contractors so there's over 40 people at the moment currently working on our team on on we're expanding Controlled but we built the team and we built the game Using agile so that we can we can scale up whenever we're ready. We don't want to grow too fast But we want it nice and control So we have artists we have Developers we have programmers we have back office staff as well. We have a a couple of analysts. We have storywriters We have tokenomics and economics Um now that yeah, like josh said we build every single asset and and this this takes time to do this So we build everything from the sand and the grass all the way up to the procedural clouds And everything that you see within that ue5 game We built originally some of them were built on ue4, but we knew that ue5 was coming So we we built them compatible so we could switch over so when ue5 then went live We we quickly migrated all that The artwork and and the programming that we've done to ue5. So it was it was almost seamless So so we were we were there and ready and I think one of the the first projects to actually have a work in prototype on ue5 That's pretty awesome. I guess it's just you know, right It's the right place the right time It's like josh said if you had to start with ue4 you have to backtrack everything to go to ue5 This unreal engine and it looks I gotta tell you it looks pretty darn good and then josh anything to add to that well, yeah, you'd asked about the community and the team and uh, I just want to say that our team is uh we've got Just a bunch of it's it's it's we're incredibly fortunate to have hired Really really well We have some amazing players on our team that are very passionate very motivated very incentivized to do what they do and uh, we we just have a great culture and Um, yeah, I can't say it enough like we're really thankful for the team that we have and the people that are on board It is huge for what we're doing In addition to that our community we've been very very intentional about building a community that is Uh creative that is inspired that is positive That's fun when you get into our discord for the most part Is a lot of just people in there that just love our project or having fun and it's it's great It's it's really cool to have uh the community the size that we have at this point We've actually intentionally kept it down by removing bots By by keeping and really cultivating a very organically grown community and we've done that with intention That we want to keep it positive and we want to have a very educated and well informed community on what we're building So that they can help self moderate and help when this community goes to forex When we release these games and things go public and things explode We're prepared to handle the influx of volume that comes and so there's there's a lot of strategy to what we do there but yeah That's all I wanted to add there. Yeah makes sense and then like uh, I mean you guys have already grown pretty fast I know with twitter you got like around 40 000 discord looking at five six Um Telegram or the 10 000 there and then even this video that you guys put out, uh, which was gosh This was uh yesterday. I want to say Uh the one the one that we actually showed you already had almost 5000 views just for uh for a demo of a gameplay So pretty nice Yeah, it's getting some nice traction there. I like it. Uh, we're pumped about that Yeah, we have we have a great community and and the community also help us during our test phases as well So so we we test our public alphas. Um, we're testing with the community and then we're expanding that So we we're currently working on a mobile game at the same time. So so the mobile game is in early pre alpha Um, and actually some of our community have have done a few live streams playing those games And the the feedback that we've had has been amazing Um in in terms of you know positive feedback and and what they what they think of of the game They've they've not been holding back. So so we're looking at updating quite a few elements of that But also that's helping us to build the apis for the for the Unreal Engine 5 game So the the community is instrumental to to how we're we're moving our games and and the metaverse forward We're constantly listening to to their feedback. Yeah, perfect. Well, you're building on a pretty good platform cardano So that's a pretty passionate different project right there But that I remember josh we talked about this about the mobile the mobile version I was like that's going to be huge and then you know tying that in the way So you guys have a pretty tall order and that would leave me to find next question Which is delivery. So I know there's been some rumblings here and there about when is this going to happen What is going on? It seems like it takes it It does take a long time to make make something right but talk to us about delivery and what's going on behind the scenes Yeah, that's a great question and I appreciate you asking it. So uh in terms of delivery You know We could have taken a few of our programmers and released a game two months into this If we use entirely bought assets off of the Unreal Engine shelf I mean you can use marketplaces all over the place. There's a lot of projects out there that are doing that They're just buying other assets other people's artwork and And putting that in and then getting a programmer to set up the functions and features and and you you've got a game Right, that could be done fairly quickly Um, but you we're not building for the quick win We're building to build something and do it right. There's not been any triple a game That has been successful That's used somebody else's assets. It just it doesn't happen So we're building all of our assets entirely custom and we have had people play the game So recently at the consensus conference We had our racing game up on the big screen in the cardano booth tomorrow hasson The president of iohk played the game Uh, joshua miller at iohk nft manager. I forget the exact title played the game In front of a large people in the cardano booth and now that's a small Micro version a demo version of the game But this is people are getting to use our game and uh coming up soon at the uh cnft con event We're going to have multiple different areas of the game that people are going to get to play And you know what that is really fast That is incredibly fast with entirely custom art and the quality of what we've done We've only been in business for a little bit over a year to be doing that is remarkable Now people people don't realize how long it takes to do something well and we have moved with tremendous speed Now, yeah, I sorry rob. I was gonna say I I hear about it as far as like to create a game You're talking about years It takes like a years and now you guys are actually in the forefront for that unreal engine five So that's pretty impressive. Anyhow rob. Sorry. We're gonna say Yeah, I mean we're not we're not in building a game or metaverse of this size It's not you can't just come out and just just produce a a bit of a fighting game We're not only are we building the assets what we're laying down the infrastructure as well You know, we've done now almost the years worth of analysis and design I'm planning of the the back office of how all the the metaverse joins together We've been working on the underlying story or the law for the last six months as well We've not released that we've released hints of it On on our on our wikipedia, which is what we've created a copi wiki Which is over 200 pages Describing the history of the project and one where and an overview of where it's going in in the future You know, we we've pioneered NFT staking Which is is something that we've worked with our partner drip drops and we released that last week This is something that's open to all projects on cardano So so we're not just building infrastructure for ourselves. We're building infrastructure that that we can share With other projects and we've also built our own minting technology which All projects I think a lot of projects when they first started to mint on On on any blockchain if you get this huge demand Either your website falls over or the tech underneath it really really struggles So so we've invested quite heavily in our own NFT technology And this was capable and this was seen in in the last few minutes that we did Where we sold out we're within less than than 20 seconds and that was with big demand So it's a it's a we're building lots more than the game There's a lot more that has that has to happen to put all the pieces together Yeah, it's got to be tough because there's so many unknowns I think in in in this in this new arena coming out But even even with me even with us knowing how many Potentially how many unknowns are out there? I still have to ask the question. Let's just talk about real quick timelines What how long because like when I hear about all these things that are going on the things you're trying to do Are we talking like three years four years out? To get you know, yeah, so well, that's a moving target, right? So yeah, what exactly does that mean? Is the question, you know, if you look at projects like star atlas i'm a fan of there's really cool project I think they said they're not delivering anything until or I don't know about anything But they said about eight years right for for what they're working on We're going to release in phases and get customer feed or going to get gamer community feedback So then we could test create that feedback loop and really refine improve and grow right? So we're targeting a core game loop in the beginning of 2023 That's what we're hunkering down to really focus on building right now And yeah, we we'd like to get a core game loop out now Is that the full vision of everything that's in our white paper and our wiki? No, absolutely not But that is enough for people to get started to travel in their bubble jet to the starter island To travel from the starter island to the theme zone to run around and do things within that theme zone That's that sort of thing Which is fantastic. That's a huge accomplishment the MVP You know, it's really important and and this is why cardano is brilliant because it has the test net So we'll be putting our game on the test net We'll be able to see if our economics and all our formulas are actually working because the last thing we want to do Is for players to come in and and then either the game is too tough or it pays out to too many Rewards in one direction So we'll we get the the beauty of testing on this full blown blockchain really Which is the cardano test net and then we can test that With with a small group of our community and then we can open that up and then eventually I think we'll have thousands of community members testing our game On the test net and then when we're happy and when they're happy We'll then move over to main net knowing that we've had this whole testing and release schedule like You've never seen a game done before That's crazy. Okay. We'll see how it all works out. That's a lot of that's a tall order gents We'll see how how that rolls So first of all, thanks for coming in It's been it's been some time to get you here. I'm glad you guys Thanks for being patient with us. I've wanted to be on it. It's you do you produce great content. You're doing a great job anybody that's you know Watch your show has been left off better for it. So like we yeah It we're just slammed. So thanks right now. I know it goes. But lastly, let's just put on a light note When when are we gonna see this market Rob, I'll start with you. When are we gonna turn this thing around? Well, I'm well we we have sunlight and Within our game we can we can go from from daybreak to so we we have moons in there already Might not be the type of moon you're talking about but yeah, we already have moon But this is we're now in yeah, we're in we're in a crypto bear market where Everybody's a little bit fearful The community is a lot smaller And it's perfect for us now to to to get our heads down and start building through the through this bear market And and that's our plan to test with the community I could say on test net and then in a couple of years from now when the market comes back and we go into a bull cycle You know, we're there ready with a fully tested metaverse ready to go So that's when we're that's when we think that well and expecting all the the community to grow We've seen with axi infinity. They started off with 10 000 users thing very quickly. They went to 100 000 250 000 500 So you have to be ready for that that they they went so quickly But we will have now a couple of years to test and then build that infrastructure ready for ready for that next bull market Okay, so a great answer because that's that's the what you want to see you want to see someone with its focus Seeing what you want to do cut out the noise get to the finish line. Josh. What do you got? uh, well wind moon, so I don't want to underestimate the macro economic forces of uh, international markets that have been, uh affected greatly by Monetary policies of governments around the world, right? So that's that's a big thing And and I think that we're all feeling the impact of of uh decisions made all around the world somewhat related to covet and and overall monetary policy, but um, I do So I say that I don't want to underestimate but I do feel like with cardano We have a amazing thing happening with the vozzle hard fork occurring very soon And the the large number of projects that are building on cardano that will be unfolding and becoming a lot more public in the near future And driving transactional volume and and bringing new liquidity into the space There's so much that can happen there that I feel like that we're somewhat isolated Thanks to the slow pace of cardano And it's now positioned to where there's going to be an entire new Blooming ecosystem within cardano that I think that uh, it may not experience the effects of the global macro economic forces as Profoundly as some of the other chains out there. So I'm excited about that and and and to take that even more micro With what we're doing at cornucopia I couldn't be more bullish about our project I'm I'm so excited of all the things that we have releasing soon. So gotcha gotcha well said and then I'll just add this I know that people will say, ah, you know cardano. What's going on? It takes so long It's just takes time to get things right. Look at the ecosystem in 2020 now 2021 November 2020 November 2021 now. This is just april 2022 and god knows how how fast it's actually grown So gents Again, I want to say thanks for coming on the show. We all appreciate it and that is it So thanks so much. Thanks so much for having us. Thank you. Let's jump. Good to see you and we're back Well, I want to say again. Thanks gents for coming on finally got these these guys on I think I've been talking to them for over a year or so to come back So I got to say I'm pretty happy that we're able to get that done and go from there If you want to find any more information about cornucopia, there is a link in the description And again metaverse play play to earn gaming build to earn learn to earn a type of thing And it looks cool But you gotta understand like these these types of plays are really long really long plays and this is not like Hey, I'm gonna get rich next month But it looks promising. We'll see how it goes and that will conclude today's news So look, I know that took a long time, but it was a good interview It was it was appreciate those guys come by Now that is it. So if you got to take off take off get out of here You've been here for 38 minutes or so, uh, but if you want to stick around I'm gonna do the q&a I'll answer all your questions and they are spicy. Let me tell you in the comments I was just perusing the comments great stuff So I'll go over all those things and I will jump into the q&a a lot of people I gotta tell you if there's one project That people will will be vocal about it is cardano and that is just the truth. So Let's just go