 Well, yep, now for the re-upload, and the re-upload of the previous one isn't even up yet. Oh, so much to look forward to. So much fapping. A fact to remember. The correct area is the... The whole idea was that we do two at a time because we'd need two episodes to fill an EFAP episode. I have since realized that was an incorrect assumption. Do you remember we covered the entire season of Falcon and the Winter Soldier in one EFAP? I remember that. How did we do it? I actually don't know how we managed to do that. Looks like we've only gotten longer over time. Magic. Couldn't tell you. Even though I know all about magic and spells and sorcery of all kinds. I don't actually know. I couldn't tell you. This is truly otherworldly. A little bit. But hey, all the problems to have. I think it's such a bad one. People have storytelling. And sometimes we even get to enjoy the episode or the coverage of it. Rare is the former, but it could happen. Maybe in the opposite of the intended way, but that's alright. There is chat. Come in and say hello. The coverage has been great fun. The bit I don't look forward to is actually watching the episode beforehand. But I guess it's necessary. Necessary evil. Yeah, it can be very annoying. Say the least. Now, those who are already wondering, where is Fringy? Well, he's right there. I feel like asking the question of where he is was pointless. I don't even know why they bothered. Why did they ask? I don't understand. I don't know. Sorry, I slept past the alarm. That's okay. We're doing our little intro, alright? We're doing a round winding up. We just started up. This Baru will be with us in as much as an hour's time. So obviously we'll have talked about the first scene by then. But he can join us right after that. And then Shad, I believe he is teetering on a yes-no. We may see him, we may not. We can't know for sure. Obviously the re-uploaded video title will reflect that reality. I couldn't have known for sure. Anyway, hello everybody. Wait, we're covering episode 6, not 5? Oh my goodness. I'm an idiot. I'll just change that. That was more helpful for the weird count. We just assumed that the coverage for episode 5 would never end. Do you think the rings of power is abysmal? 6th episode. Beautiful. Don't worry, fixed it well before everyone saw how bad that era was. It was quite a long and terrible episode 5. So maybe in a way 6 is just 5. It's extended like part 2. I don't know. I think a lot of us, you know, that stream ended. You took care of some life things, like sleep and eating. And then you wake up and you're like, well, time to do it again. Only the finest of bodily needs were satisfied. Yeah. So, we'll go for like, before we start up, we'll just go for about, I'd say, 20 minutes or so. We'll just chill out for a little bit, see if we give a little bit more time for other fellas to show up. You see, this was a trying thing to ask people to do. There's a lot of stuff. Remember, House of the Dragon is today. So, you know, I'm just trying to battalance everything. But maybe we'll just answer some of the Super Chasms that are coming in now to get a little head start on that. And then we'll start it up. The first one said she hulks feet. I think that's a decent observation. Yeah. Then halfway through the Karen EFAP, what a gem of a movie. That's true. I recommend everyone check that out. It is a gem of a movie. It's funny, right? It's like, oh, the Halloween EFAP movies, spooky times. It's like, it's really spooky. It's just usually funny. Usually keva movies that are very abusing. What would it look like for us to cover something that's actually scary? I don't know. I don't like scary movies. I get spookified. But I don't know that EFAP movies is really the suitable format, you know? Not for an actual scary movie, I don't think. We've got Morley's Secret Sunday Stream to praise Iron Man 3. Not quite. It's a little bit different. We're going to be criticizing an episode of Rings of Power. But I could see the connection there. Lord Longbong of Mewdlington Abbey. Is there any good chance of a Kongfap? Peter Jackson's Longkong. When it's less going on, it'll be a movie fap for the ages. Yes. Oh, well, wagsies. Riches with a good book. Hello. Yeah, there's a good chance of that. Someone was mentioning Godzilla 2. Why not throw them all together? Big arc. Like I said, we can cover King of the Monsters again. That was one of our earliest EFAP movies, right? Yeah, it was a good movie, too. It was great. I've blanked King of the Monsters. Which one was that? Was that the one with Eleven from Stranger Things in it? Yes. Is she in King of the Monsters? King versus Kong Monsters? Someone has to do something about these Kong Monsters. All I remember about King of the Monsters is that there was some very suspect acting going on. Like bad? Yeah. If it's bad, you can say bad. They're not here. Suspect acting. Good point. Fucking awful acting going on. Let me get a little upset. Oh, no. This will encourage them to do better. Millie Bobby Brown is like, wow, EFAP was my favorite up until they said that. Is his name Millie Bobby Brown? Her name. She's Eleven. I love how much that's not helpful at all to someone who has no idea about Stranger Things. You're like, what do you mean she's Eleven? She's young? Yeah, no, sorry. That's her date label. This is the date, right? Yeah, she goes by it. Her name's Eleven Rags. She's the main girl. I think she screams at King Ghidorah at one point. I think. Yeah, that sounds familiar. I can't remember if she... Wait, that was... Oh, you're right. I thought he was a boy. I think she has long hair and she looks more girly in that. King of the Monsters, I just... In my mind, I was just thinking, oh yeah, and the sun. I went, no, it was a girly girl. I mean, I enjoyed the visuals sometimes. I enjoyed some of the 7% that was the actual monster fights. I did too. I'm not caught up with yesterday's EFAP, so this is a surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one. Well, I'm glad because this is... Yeah, we're called an emergency EFAP at this point, and we're like a whole month ahead of schedule of EFAP at this point. We're going to have to find a way to... I'll give you guys some EFAP gaming mixed in on those Saturdays, all right? What's going to happen? I've never seen worse armor than the Numenoreans in this show. Yeah, it was... You've never seen worse? I don't know about never seeing worse, but armor, they said. They are really bad, though. Yeah, they're pretty bad. They're up in the top. They're in the top list. I end up going with the whole one of the worst for the budget, I guess, or the profile of the show. It's got to be one of the worst when you... Yeah, if I saw that on a high school stage play, I'd be like, hey, that's pretty good. But in this show, you want to get the outfits right. I feel like we have the budget to get... I feel like we have the budget to get everything incredibly good, without exception. I think white was definitely the wrong color choice. I mean, it makes it look cheaper. I think if they just darkened it up a bit, then at least you wouldn't be able... It looked like metal. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's true. Not just like white. Yeah, it looks like paper. That's the big problem. It evokes the wrong material. There are ways to do it, of course. They just didn't. Here's to a 13-hour eFap for one terrible episode. Well, it can't actually be any longer than, I think, seven hours. It caps out there, so... We will... I'm sure we'll be fine. Seven hours for one episode. We can do that, right, guys? We can swing it. 100%. No chance of that going wrong. Karen, greater than Galadriel? Yeah, I mean, Karen is a well-rounded, flawed human being who, you know, she doesn't quite learn her lesson before. It's too late, but... Galadriel is just clearly not the kind of person you want to be. She's really well-rounded. I would totally hang out with Karen and ask her about some stuff. Yeah. Remember how Hibak's story is her husband was killed by a black vigilante? And you wonder if it's like a superhero type? Or something. Like Hancock? Or... Yeah. Or Black Panther? Rody? Or Rody? Yeah, he could have ran in and fight a nuke, I don't know. Why not? I'm honestly shocked that a single episode of Rings of Power costs more than the entire first season of Daredevil. Wait, is that true? I didn't really reconcile that if that's true. Tringy, you know Daredevil. Is this true? That one episode would have cost more than the whole show. Probably, yeah. That's just... That's just going to show, innit? Well, that explains how much better it is than Daredevil, right? Because it had all of that incredible budget to just spend on all of this... All of this everything. From the sets to the costumes to hiring good writers to... You know? I would say so, yeah. Boom, boom. There's a tiny meme channel called Memetime who deepfaked Rowan Atkinson onto Galadriel. Look at the smiling on the horse scene. It makes sense now. I think I've seen that, actually, yeah. And the deepfaking Mr. Bean onto... Belrond as well as good shit. Yeah, another eFap. Mola, have you considered playing Steel Rising? Post-God of War Arc? Love the gaming stream so much. By the way, play Returnal. Also, high rags and guests. Hello? I have no idea what Steel Rising is. Anyone else? Maybe it's like a revolution by a thieves guild. Well, alright. And as for Returnal... I keep getting a lot of people recommending that. Do you guys like it? I don't. I have never played Returnal. I've heard of Returnal. I hear it's pretty good, right? Apparently, a lot of people were recommending it, so I assume so. Hey, Moli, would you ever listen to only plays in the background while working on something, or would the funnies be too distracting? It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm doing, like, visual editing, I can mostly have videos in the background, but if I'm writing, I don't really have a video I'd like to listen to at the same time. Or audio editing, you know? This is probably what you'd expect. At some point, you guys mentioned doing a Harry Potter arc. Were you serious? Yeah, I think so. That'd be fun. I am not unserious about that kind of thing, which is I feel a springboard. Are you serious? An answer as, yeah. Alright. And by that, I mean, I'm fine with it. Yeah, I'm totally down with the potential for a Harry Potter arc. And that's one of your favorite movies, right? Streaming the Harry Potter title. I mean, look, I'm happy to do an arc for it, but as far as knowing anything about that film series, it's, yeah, I can't help you. I'm actually wearing the sorting hat right now. Yeah. It wants me, it wants me to release it. What? Oh my gosh, I'm actually surprised. You don't know the sorting hat. I don't know what the sorting hat is. You really don't? I don't know shit about Harry Potter really. I find that really hard to believe. Harry Potter's bestest friend, Ronald Weasley. Yeah, I know that. You don't remember the sorting hat? What about... Which one was it in? This one. This one tells you which house you're going in. I haven't seen that one. Oh. Have you seen any of the Harry Potter movies? I saw Goblet of Fire and then I saw The Last Two. That's all I've seen. Okay. Bizarre selection. Wow, I didn't, like I said, I don't, I don't care about Harry Potter really. Never did. Wow. But you can't enough to watch three of them. Yeah. The look is a liar now. But not even, we're seven minutes into the EFAP and we've already caught you in your web of deception. I don't, I feel like there was a breach in your logic there just because you don't care about something doesn't mean that you will never have ever seen anything for it. Not cared enough to comment. And to go and see three movies. To see three of them. One may be able to give you any, but three. Okay. Violence. Yeah, I can't talk to you guys when you get like this. The guilty are often silent. I don't know. I think maybe one of them might have been, one of them would have been like for a school thing where it's like, oh, we're going to the movies, like a film that you want to go watch. Or maybe they even, Is that how your school did? We had to watch. Maybe it was like, I don't know. It was something. I saw that. One of them. Yeah. Maybe even two of them. That's actually how I saw Goblet of Fire. Goblet of Fire might have been that or like a birthday as well. I don't know. That's, and then I got invited to watch the last one like the midnight screening. I also ended up seeing King Long Kong that way. King Long Kong. Our school never, I never took field trips to go see movies. We never did that. We did, we did, we did field trips to further our educational pursuits. He says when realizing his job is to talk about movies. Listen, that's true. I feel like all the time I spent watching movies in my whole life was totally not a waste of time. Right now, it was incredibly important. Foundational, the entire planet's societal health. I could all the other things I was learning in school. And I think, well, that's the time I could have been spending watching films. Yeah. When they were like, ooh, do you want to learn about covalent bonds? It's like, no, I want to learn about Bond, James Bond. Ionic bonds were way more interesting anyway. See? I agree with that. Yeah. Ionic bonds are interesting. Absolutely. Biology is like, don't learn about the things biology. I never did biology. I didn't learn about that. So, and it reflects. That strikes me as odd, Tringy, considering your love of animals. Yeah. I guess it wasn't, I don't know. I did physics and chemistry and biology. Tringy likes their outside and whole appearance. I don't think he wants to dig in. I'd say that, yeah, I'd say that I'm much more interested in animals in terms of like, not like the. As a hobby, not as a career. Well, not as a career. No, evidently. But like, I like, I like animals just hanging about and running around out there in the world and getting up to all sorts of shenanigans more so than like, what is there? I don't know, cell structure. I mean, I was fascinated in biology in terms of just understanding how everything like, where does the oxygen go and then what does it do and then in for food and and pooping. I love to find out why we turned things into like brown stinky things. You know, why not? And everyone does that on earth or a lot of people anyway. Devil fruit of the week. So this is another one of those, would you take the fruit or while not being able to do anymore. What does it transform into a hybrid? It's original form mixed with a human or a full human at will. Which animal pet would you feed this to? Wait, what? So you give it to a pet and the pet can take human, like a, like it can transmogrify itself partially into a human. Well, I'll read it again. I gave it to a, like an eight, a great eight. The Hito Hito fruit, which allows its user to transform into a human hybrid. It's original form mixed with a human or a full human at will. Which animal slash pet would you feed it to? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to fucking traumatize whatever animal I give this to. Yeah. Maybe I would, maybe you'd have to give it to a creature that's already fairly ape like. So that when it transforms into a human, it's not like that big of a deal. It's almost like, oh, this is just an, this is a similar form of something I'm already familiar with. Which might not be too bad. It was like a little fly and then it turns into the fly from the fly. My last cat was a bitch. I wouldn't have given it to her because. Cats are ever bitches. I think the odd exception, that was definitely one of them wouldn't have given it to that one. I don't know, man. I probably just be like, no, we'll just leave it. Animals are probably happy being the animal that they are. Not necessarily, but probably. A risk turning into a human hybrid. And then I'm guessing it's like, it's all very wholesome and fun where they turn into a very normalish looking thing that's not terrifying. And though I feel like this question would end up a terrifying. So that's what I think. Yeah. What if you gave it to a hummingbird and the hummingbird grew two human arms. Like out of its side. So you had this tiny little hummingbird with two normal sized human arms coming out of the sides of it. Someone did one of those videos where they did like chickens. No, no birds generally, I think it was, but with human arms. And then it's like pictures or videos of chickens running around, like waving at people. And it's very bizarre. That was it. Well, it's on the Devil's Rejects. Music, EFAP, when? I've seen the Devil's Rejects. I don't know who are the Devil's Rejects. It's a movie, but I haven't seen it in ages. Oh. And then Music, EFAP. I don't think we're going to do a Music, EFAP. Oh, look, like we talk about songs, I guess, maybe. Maybe one day. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe one day, but probably never. When is it a good time for a character to forget something or accidentally do something that progresses the plot? Probably when he gets his head hit with a hammer. I guess you'd go when it's justified. The memory potion. All the ways you can justify it depends on if we're doing sci-fi fantasy or if it's regular, you just have to look into how people's brains can fall apart, IRL, or what can cause that as a horrible accident slash bit of biology. They can naturally forget something that they didn't have much time to remember. Like if they're under pressure and they have to remember instructions for deactivating a bomb, and they remember a lot of it, but they can't remember all of it. You know, they can't remember all of it. You know, things like that. I mean, a lot of it would probably just be stuff in your normal day to day. Did I have enough time to devote these things to memory? Steps to operate a machine or a piece of equipment? Maybe you have them visibly take notes if they can to show that they wouldn't have been able to remember it otherwise. What do I do if I know exactly what my character would do, but it doesn't go in the direction I want the plot to go towards? I can change his situation. Or you could just sacrifice, I think it was weedens talked about as part of writing. It's like you've got to be ready to destroy the things you've created, even get rid of them entirely. Yeah, it was Hemingway's thing, I think is kill your darlings. Yeah. So if your character does, you know how your character would act, but you want the character to do something differently to how they would act, was that the point? They also want their character, their character the way they've built them would make a particular decision that wouldn't lead to the plot line they want. At that point, you need to go back and change things or you have to commit to the fact that your character has now changed the plot line. Put them in some situation where they can't do what they really want to. Maybe they owe a debt to someone, maybe they physically are unable to do it because of equipment concerns or just something like that. Think about why, you know, just think of little things that you could do, put obstacles in the way, or maybe just a, I don't know, there's a lot of stuff you can do. It's also like, it's best not to just get too tired to, like a really, really intricately planned out plot, like, unless you're, it's good to have the endpoint to aim toward, but your approach to the endpoint should be more flexible because your character will develop as you're writing it. Your characters can take on their own life and their own decision making habits and then if you need to get to the end scene that you have in mind, fine, but you can approach that in multiple ways and if you are forcing your character to act out of character to get to the endpoint, then definitely rewrite something. The plot line is downstream from the characters in a sense. It's going to be dependent on what you do, but obviously if you really, really want that plot line, then yeah, you're going to have to go back and change things about the character. Why do you say Mr. Incredible peaked in the sequel? Who said that? I don't think anybody said that. This is the same guy who says I'm doing my Iron Man 3 praise any day, so I'm assuming it's me. Why can't you guys use caper faces? How am I supposed to know these things? It's true. Has anyone seen the maze runner movies? Love you all. I know of them, but I've never seen them. How many are there? Two, three. And I might even have seen all of them. But there's one of those films that you sort of see without really remembering. The first one was kind of interesting. I think up until about the three quarter way mark. And then after that it becomes the hunger games, but with more running. Yeah, because that was the era of the young adult adaptation film adaptations where you've got the dystopia and some high concepts. Because that was Divergent as well. I tried watching one of those ones. That was not a fun experience. It was a fun experience. I hear that a lot of people think that that series isn't that good like even the books. Whereas I think maze runner I don't know, I hear better things about it. I know personally nothing about maze runner except I think I've seen the front cover of it. It's not like, oh. I kind of like the first movie. I kind of like it. I like the high concepts. But I presume that it kind of doesn't go very well from that point on. It has a really interesting mystery that it teases in the first film. It's the first like two thirds of the first film. And its problems come when it tries to reveal the truth behind that mystery. And then it becomes very, very sort of and cliche is probably the something. Yeah, I guess it's just you're not in the maze anymore. So like the maze runner that's over. There was no more maze. And that was like the big selling point of the story. I think it's called Wicked, which is the why would you name it that why the fuck would you name it that just in case you needed to know that they're evil. It's like there was in Ratchet and Clank, there was a there was an organization called thugs for less. They're obviously bad guys, but it's a joke. It's not like a real real name for evil organization. An eFap on my Sunday. That's it. I throw money at you. Jokes aside, do any of you remember your first video game? And if so how well do you think it holds up today? I appreciate you all massively. My first video game I I'm not certain I I can nail it down pretty darn close, but that's going way back. It would probably be better. Hmm. When my cousin brought his Nintendo 64. When he visited our family, he would he would bring that. Which means it's very likely that it was Mario Kart 64 or it probably is Mario Kart 64. That's probably what it was. I think. Yeah. I think that's what it is. How old do you think that holds up today? Honestly, I haven't played it in so long. I couldn't tell you. I don't know. I prefer it to Mario Kart. What's the most recent one? Eight. I actually like the old ones. The old ones are better. I disagree. I like 64, but I don't think it holds up super duper well. Wow. I wouldn't be if I was going to guess that would be similar to what my guess is. Well, yeah, I mean. In terms of controls and I guess it was just the technology was just so much less back then. You know. It was like it was less forgiving though. The thing I had problem I had with eight is the rubber banding is really obvious and the green shells which de facto homing on you which is very annoying. I think more obvious than these. Red. No, no, no. The rebound for the green shells. I'm sure this is a thing. The random improbable deflections that are guaranteed to hit you all the time. I'm sure that didn't used to be a thing. That sounds like something a bad player would say. I genuinely know but again, I prefer the older games just because the green shells will go randomly and these ones I'm sure I read online that that was a thing that's more common now than it used to be. I mean, I have no context for any of this really because I haven't played any of Mario Kart 8. I don't discount the possibility that I'm a shit Mario Kart player but given I've played basically everyone since 64 I think I'm okay. I'm pro at double dash. That is my favorite one. Double dash was okay. It's not one of my favorites though. I have an immense fondness for the Mario Kart DS. Well, sorry. I like the DS one but I don't know. You don't know. I guess I didn't really like the driving in it just seemed weird for me. I don't know. That man. So many bad takes today. Yeah. Double dash is one of the best ones. Excluding stuff like playing Tetris maybe or an arcade game that I may have played but kind of forgotten. The first significant game that I played I think and remembered was Quake. Quake is fucking glorious. I love Quake. To this day I love Quake and I'm happy to play Quake whenever. That was a really good starting game. It's funny as well because I didn't play Doom way later. But Quake as someone just said, Quake is legendary. Fucking cool game. Love it. Good start. It introduced me to a lot of things real quick. What about you guys? Two left. I'm still trying to remember because my step dad when he moved in had a snaz. But I don't I think maybe we had the N64 by that point. The first one I think I remember playing was probably Banjo-Kazooie. It's either that or Mario Kart. Those are the two big ones I remember playing. I'm pretty sure it was Crash 2. Pretty sure that was the first game I played. Well, not bad starts for all of us. Nobody seemed to just randomly play something really bad. Kind of knockoff weird game that was in some distant country or on holiday or something. I don't get it. Well, I guess it's some better than others of course. It defined forever our media tastes. Enjoy your 20-minute power nap between streams? Yes. Full advantage. 20 a time. We had a whole night's worth of sleeping to do. Yes. It was fabulous. I want to say thank you all so much for all the great content these past few weeks. Love listening to all of you massives. Also high rags. Hello. No problemo. You know what? On that note, we'll probably get started actually on having a look at this little episode here. Rains of power. We could keep going. But like I said, Disparu will arrive at any moment theoretically. That's possible for Shad as well. No guarantees unfortunately for Shad. But to be fair, he's got more than one stream to do today. As do I actually. So we do have, like I said, a cap. And that means that they'll just take us through talking about rings of power straight away, which they let you... A lot of them ranks. You know, our coverage of the previous episode if you haven't seen it, it's probably worthwhile getting that first because you get a lot of context for the things that are to come. This is the big fight episode. Fighting happens because we've set up several things and you might think like, oh, for the south lands? And you're like, yeah. And then you're like, but not the Numenoreans. Like, oh no, the Numenoreans. Oh, but they just left their dock. Correct. It might take them weeks to cross the ocean. That's where you'd be very incorrect. I don't care why you'd be incorrect, but you would be. Just so we have an idea of what we're in store for. Is this the officially 10 out of 10 episode that IGN gave it? This is the 10 out of 10 episode from IGN. Now that we've established this perfection. I just see another one saying that this is the episode that redeemed rings of power. Like some guy who was really cool on it and you looked at this one and said, yeah, this is what we've been waiting for. So... Oh dear. I'm trying to think of what that position would even look like. The person's like, you know what, yeah, I kind of agree. It's not been so great, but would it be that there would be like loads of action, real cool action, dabbling and arrows. And twisting and gunning. Do you think the birth of Mount Doom, as it were, is like considered like this awesome, you know, like Galactus arriving in some Marvel movie. They're just like, oh, that's what makes the episode really good. Something something to consider. You know, it's one of our favorite characters from the original trilogy, Mount Doom. He's a pretty cool guy. Big ol... dude. Oh yeah, so well, yeah, I guess we'll just get started. There's no reason not to, especially because there's a lot to talk about when we get to the creation of that little mountain. Opening scene is Adar. He's dropping some seeds into the ground, the soil and covering them up. He's dropping some big, fat, hot seeds into the earth. He's feeling bad about the fact that a bunch of people are going to die. Mainly his orcs. Yeah, it's almost exclusively his orcs, it seems. Yeah, you wonder about its character exactly that Adar up to. You do wonder where they're going to take him in general for those who've seen this episode for exactly what the plan is. But I suppose that's fine because he's a very compelling character, you know. Is it Lord Farquad moment? Some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice I'm prepared to make. But if you die now, then it means that you're dying for a homeland or something. Yeah, there you go. It's something like that. I think it'll be proud and happy about. I wonder when we should sort of break down his plan. When we find out exactly what the plan is or before you're next to the plan, we should go over it. I'm not sure because there's a lot to say in terms of the approach. It's funny as well because the watchtower was empty for a decent few days, right? Or at least close to one day. I have no clue. The elves left and then our elfman was like, I'm going to go check out the village with the gunky cow came from that village, right? Do you believe that? Do you guys remember this? That's what set off Elfman to find the orcs was the cow had black milk because it ate grass from an area that was like chocolate grass. What the hell? That's what kicked all of that off. We got here because of a sick cow, yes. A cow that he could easily not have. That was Homer's cow, right? I think so. God. You know, that is quite an arc actually. There's a lot of details there you could miss. Just each one. Yeah, so this watchtower is not necessarily that they want to get to the watchtower though because what they really want, as was stated in the previous episode, is that hilt. They really need it. I guess they just knew it was in this village somewhere. That was the general information. It was discovered that the kid had it because he stole it from Waldreg who I guess his dad gave it to him and so on from all the way back when they were doing fights with Molgoth and stuff. Family heirloom. Confusing. So he has it. It's passed down as an heirloom but no one ever told him or indeed any of his ancestors what it was or how to use it. No, well why would they? There was a big old statue that explains it in the watchtower. Yeah, there's a big old statue that explains it plus putting it in the keyhole up in the tower that's that would well as we'll learn doing that at any point in time wouldn't have accomplished anything so I don't know what. We'll get there. We'll get to there. Is it a coincidence that that mural whatever it is is in the watchtower or did they build the watchtower around that Um Oh, we're getting into a chicken and an egg situation. Well, because there's a problem either way, obviously. Oh, I would assume that what would I assume? I don't know. I don't, yeah, I don't know. Occam's razor doesn't lead me anywhere. It's like, well what makes the most sense? What's the simplest? What requires the least amount of assumptions is I literally could not tell you. The simplest explanation is just because Is it? Any other explanation requires that the writers put some thought into this rather than simply, well, that's just where it is, because that's where we need it to be for the scene to happen. I would assume that the tower and the, I guess the dam was built with that in mind but by who would it be built by? Oh, like maybe the whole place was built by Sauron back in the day and then the elves took over it but they didn't realise what they'd taken over. Except that it's established, you know, isn't it by the weird little symbols that he leaves around that the plan is in the event of Morgoth's retreat then they fall back to Mordor. The men there sided with Morgoth but it wasn't sort of the base of evil operations at that time. I would, I would, and yeah, I honestly, I don't know who the hell built the dam. That's an interesting question. I assume they built it with the specific intention of what it does, right? That was like the whole goal except they were like oh no, you're going to have to build a trench though. Yeah, for this, because that dam is built deliberately to have the ability to release the water into a trench that's yet to be built to do the big thing we'll see later. In which case it must have been built by the evil guys but it must have been built by the evil guys a long time ago because otherwise the elves just would have totally spotted that happening and now I say that it's a stupid argument because the elves don't see anything. Nope. They put little blankies above it in their unscorched like annihilated wasteland so you wouldn't have noticed it. But then if the elves did build the tower around it deliberately, well then they must know what it's for. Yeah, and allow it to remain But who built the tower? The elves I assumed, right? Yeah, the elves built towers around that area to sort of keep watch but they built them what, these sort of law-wise they built them after the war. So like Minish Tirith, it begins as a watchtower. Maybe they found the tower there and it was just like oh hey we were going to put a tower around here there's already one here, let's use that oh what's this creepy lock, oh well. It's got an elvish name though, Osterith is the tower's name. So I think the elves built it. Maybe they renamed it, it was called it was called Ooga Booga before and they were like no, Osterith. Could be, it's hard to know because it really does matter as to who built that tower because it tells us a little bit more about how the fuck any of this crazy shit works but we'll chip away at that as we go on. He's just rousing up his orcs like we're gonna go kill, it's gonna be great as you get ready. And it like kicks off straight away. He walks them right up to the watchtower and it was pointed out by Ragsman watching us straight away just wow one archer with one good shot just kills Adar right now which uh just walks in, no helmet we have our elf who's been practicing for hundreds of years like man you should have just shot this guy took out the commander right here because I think that's gonna have a significant effect surely like all these orcs they might be able to carry on the goals of this Adar Do the orcs know about the sword? I'm not sure actually They know they need it, they've been told they need the sword but do they know to put it in the locky thingy and turn it? Yeah, so strange but the thing is it's almost like these characters are operating because of this way because they know the reality of the situation which is that the watchtower is entirely abandoned except for Elfman who's waiting and we the audience are like what in the world? What is going on? Oh my gosh, what is his plan? Yeah Yeah, very last year and they're all just piling in but if you think about it it's like wait as we were speculating from the previous episode they did seem to mention or imply the falling of the watchtower so maybe that's his goal to topple it but then you're like man, they had like a night or even hours to set this up What is the nature of it going to be? and it's funny because this is like the first significant thing that happens in the episode right, like you barely even begun it and this is why this episode has a reputation, okay but before we get to that Adar spots the the statue whatever this is of the the hilt and I think many people have been asking it's like was he aware of this before he saw this or was this like something of a surprise to him I couldn't tell you it almost seems like a trap but it looks like when he looks at it he's like ooh and it's just like yeah this is where we put the sword like did you know that or did you not it would be really weird if he didn't know that but was still dead set on finding the sword what was he going to do once he got the sword what was his whole motive for finding the sword if he didn't already know what to do with it and where yeah I don't know I find it all hard to track sometimes because it creates problems I don't even know that they realize exist if you do it this way but it really seems like had they not moved those vines then maybe he wouldn't have noticed this was there just like oh hope not I hope this is all something he knew but the thing is as we'll go over the plan feels fucking strange when you put all the pieces together anyway just on the time question you mentioned how long it's been and how long they've had and the fact that we don't know I think I forgot to mention like yesterday there is actually the line in the show I think in the previous episode where the writers sort of give themselves that get out where they're standing and they're looking over the wall of the tower and they see the alt torches in the distance and he says we have we have days or maybe hours and I kind of think yeah that's giving yourself a lot of leeway there I was about to say how do you go from maybe hours but also days it's just I think that's just that well maybe it's not a conscious attempt but it's the way that you get around the fact that none of the timelines actually are called with each other it should say we may have an amount of time we just don't tell you what N is it's just extremely generous in the prediction on how much time that is every timeline then it's like whatever the timeline has to be to make everything work that's the one how long does it take the doominorians to arrive in Middle Earth days or maybe hours one of those one of the two will be the correct answer but yeah Elfman starts shooting he's nailing a couple of these orcs and all the other orcs are like oh my goodness we didn't even it's so unusual that they would attack us so meanly how does he do that given that his whole plan is doesn't rely on him randomly shooting at orcs to let them know where he is before he actually does the thing he's there to do I'm not actually sure I'm trying to think of what benefit that could have maybe to convince the orcs to come toward him a little bit drag him a little bit close to the tower before he fucks it up I don't know I really don't but he only kills like one or two and then he's like right time for the fire arrow should he not have used one of these arrows to actually target the most important guy I'm assuming he can see Adar in there yeah I mean he should know how leadership works no but he's got a better idea this is yeah we'll go nice and slow with this because this was a thing so this is a big old tower and you can see it's like got wrappings around it of sorts looks like metal but also like he fires this and it lands right here and we're gonna grant him the fire arrow thingy we're just gonna give you the fire arrow fine you have a fire arrow that was a thing definitely so you've got your fire arrow that's a strong looking rope right that rope is made out of sawdust yeah the arrow if you shot an arrow into a rope like that it just it seems like yeah it would it would lower its integrity but uh I don't think it's gonna destroy it and that's why the riots were like ah yes but it's on fire it's like fire doesn't work that fast no matter how it's just elvish fire the fireiest of fire that they've ever fired I would expect in this to have the arrow the fire arrow hit the rope and then freeze it so that it shatters well you would shoot it to freeze it and then he shoots another arrow with a hammer on it to shatter it that's how it would work better get that right you know yeah so it breaks it now without knowing anything that happens in this episode you might think to yourselves well what's that gonna do right because that's one strap I don't even know what that strap was exactly but with that gone we see the results that is everything breaks um why it's all of it falls apart I don't understand and the way that it falls apart is bizarre like it's not like it I would expect it to come loose almost and then just sort of fall or just loosen up and lazily kind of just fall off of it in a fairly non ceremonious manner but it springs off and it breaks and it flies off and it's a big thing like there was a whole bunch of tension on it and that's not the most crazy part though I think it's just worth saying like whatever's happened to that tower as a result of that it makes it seem like good god that was an incredible safety hazard the fact that one rope was holding all of that together yeah and what holding it all together what do you mean by that you're telling me that the tower can't stand well it looks like it's already falling apart but before we get to that if you remember Elfman jumps down on the outside of the gate lucky for him every orc went inside there are none outside I'm not even sure with what we saw even though there's a line of orcs down the hill right but there's none between the hill and here yeah what I'm saying is that you'd have orcs at the entrance he just jumped into a crowd of them that's how that would have worked but obviously we can't have that because they'd be in his way and if they're not but in this would require a level of organization for there to be this big gap like alright this is team we go into the fort this one you sit on the pathway and hang out there because if they were just randomly around then they'd be spread out fairly evenly I think along this pathway yeah so we just have to sort of ignore that that's a thing now you might be thinking to yourselves there in chat like what is he just going to run off and it's like well no if we crash the tower then we're going to have to trap them in there because they could just walk out right so he does this very genius thing here he kicks that rock off the edge it's got a chain attached to it and pulls the chain and see see here it's pulling this this plank or would you call that a plank of wood or it's just a big stick of wood I call it a beam a beam of wood yeah and it pulls it in the absolute perfect possible way because there's so many ways this could fuck up trust me and the doors get locked down as a result of the way thank you I'm an expert of wooden beam door closing scenarios but uh does this violate any beam rules I think it does that's my opinion I'm sticking to it uh I'll try and show it again now you have to be careful about that appetisms but you'd think that you could have had maybe something else some some two chains he could pull that close the doors uh from the outside that look kind of inconspicuous when they first break in because this could just screw up in so many ways as I said it's just I I kind of hate it uh even from the situations where that you put your again you try and put yourself in the mind of the writers as they're creating this scene and so they say well we want to have the tower fall on the orcs and then they sit there probably for several hours and this is what they come so what somehow the tower is basically held together with gaffer tape and if we have it where he shoots some of the tape and the tape Sam's gaffer did he make the tape it could because if it was his gaffer it's probably going to be really sturdy because and my old but it can't be too steady because it has to be immediately burned away by a single fire and then the gaffer tape goes and then we have a chain attached to a boulder which is attacked to a plank which locks the doors and how do you how does it say in person create this yeah how do you get to the end of that part of the script and say yeah that's good I want that it's it's one of those things where it's on that level of I get it but I get it but I feel like we should have come up with something it it pool of oil at the front door entrance and it walks even nose in there like what the fuck I mean it's like careful and then you know they're gonna get lit oh yeah I would have believed if no that's too dangerous we can't do that if Elfman would have jumped down ran to the door and pulled it closed and then like wrapped a chain around it real quick or there was a beam ready to put down on the outside like hinges or something like that that would be more believable than this this is trying to be too stylistic and are you bothering to shoot them they're gonna die he decides you must shoot that one guy it is like okay I guess so why not I think it's just the cool factor like I guess so awesome dude he's very cool yeah obviously the orcs can't figure out how any of that works so they will just get themselves killed by trying to open the door the regular way and they're a little bit silly you know but yeah just an insane plan with none of it really should have worked I don't see why it did and we eventually just discover that yeah he was the only dude there was no backup dude to help him out no real backup plan and see like so if if they didn't go to the orcs and they didn't stay in the watchtower where are the people then we'll find that out soon enough before then the tower is continuously splitting and blowing up and even a part of the wood splinters off and just impales an orc it's just like Jesus very important that we got that shown all because one bit of rope got burnt the whole thing is falling apart I just don't understand I thought when they were setting it up that they would have to then remove several stones from like the side that's closer to the actual compound itself and replace it with like wood or something a lot less dirty and then break that when they come in to you know like damage a whole half a portion of the lower levels of the tower to make it tilt whatever not just that they all knew this whole time all you need to do is break a rope and that destroys the whole tower but then my first thought was okay well maybe they had enough time to sort of you know sap the foundations out and set it up this way but I don't think they did given that this is the night after we just saw the last scene so that that can't be a thing so then you'll sort of believe that the tower has always been like that in which case you've got the one fail point and the whole thing comes down and it's been like that for centuries feasibly anyway and then it gets to that one and you guys have just a little destination arc haven't you you're doing one this whole scene with the all the falling stuff that first thing that came to mind was just that it's either that or there's that bit in the exorcist is it where the lightning rod comes off the top of the church and just randomly pales dude that's the omen isn't it it is the omen yeah it is I remember that both the old and the new version I feel like I'm probably the only person who's seen the new vision but that's okay but yeah adah has his like goth mog moment where the travesty throws that big old boulder at him and he's like refuses to move I don't understand this like waldrick is desperately like please you know you're gonna die father please don't do it I hate the portrayal of bad guys in shitty media of course adah starts straggling him you're like why cause he's angry what do you mean he needs to be doing shit right now adah but he's like throws waldrick to one side and then he looks like he's gonna leave but yeah the whole tower goes down what a great plan it really did work and it's just something it doesn't look like he's stepped far enough away to avoid that I don't think one step is enough to get out of range well a lot of people say in plot armor yes especially with how much they show waldrick looking out for his bro and being like holy shit dude you gotta move you gotta move you're gonna die and then he just doesn't move and doesn't die no boy this move was it was as effective as you could possibly like when this is one of those critical success kinds of crazy things that happens it was more effective than you could have imagined I was shocked that it was as effective I was like damn and then I was like wait a minute you're showing all of our friendly villagers here it's like this was just an option the whole time you could have just left that's what you did are they just lighting torches there did they already have torches lit when all this was happening because if they already had any torches lit all they would have taken is one orc scout to look over to be sensible yeah that's really stupid of them but we need lights because we're gonna do a scene here so there you go hopefully that explains it to you they're all holding the lantern so that we can see them but yeah they're back in the village the the subtitle is the dialogue is like right quick everybody we gotta get going we gotta set up our defensive of this village we have to make ready the village um do they have how long have their torches been lit these villagers why'd you say that Rex that's not very stealthy interesting thought you have there did you say it oh god damn it it was ages ago it's fine it probably was a long time ago everyone forgot it's good that we both arrived at that same thought independent of each other that's all I'm glad to see interesting indeed that's a good observation it wasn't me it was a little platoon that was really good Fringy he had a really good observation there that's great I was more annoyed at the fact that they're preparing now to defend the village from the orcs when they come down and get them it's like you could just keep running yeah just keep going oh and then it's over to the new inorians my favorite of plotlines yeah I think um do you guys have I don't know if there's any of the four that I actually like so I don't like any of them which one do I hate the least I think I might hate the new menorian one the least just because the city seems galadriel though yeah I know that's the balancing act that we have to play ah man that's actually kind of tough um kind of tough the tunnel was sort of fun when they were prisoners that was that's the most joy I've gotten the show was the fight at the end where they fight the work and everything I was I was I was laughing with joy it was so hilarious I um hey I don't know how I could actually pick one because each of them have like a big sort of just huge asterisk where it's like but don't don't don't forget like they're more asterisk in plot now yeah up until the last episode I'd have said Elrond and Jiren that one is that one has now pissed me off so the only thing they do in that plotline is establish that their relationship is on rocky ground for good reason like I have I will say personality there I will say Elrond and Duran are my favorite plotline I think it's because Duran is in I like Disa a bit and so there's a chance that we run into her in that plotline and I don't hate Duran he just fucking frustrates me because I know that there can be a character there and between him and his father that was a that was actually a good scene and when Elrond was talking about his father to Duran that was that was good it's just that all of these things are surrounded in muck and awfulness what do you reckon which plotline is the least rancid to you out of the four main ones being the half-foot the Numenoreans the Elfman and the humans against the orcs for Elrond and Duran out of those four which you find the least piss probably actually no matter how evil they are be the half-foughts because they've done the least like there's least actions for them to have actually messed up I actively despise all of the rest that's my problem the fact that they're cannibals is editating I ain't gonna deny it and their scenes are usually over pretty quick they just kind of move around and it's like you just think these are horrible people but they've done literally nothing the entire series so far except move around and like explain how they kill their friends so they really haven't this is the part we were trying to talk about last stream was you can try and defend them as being like oh it's just the one person saying take their wheels in a rash moment it's like but there's no other characterization that we've had so I mean if anything we've learned from previous episodes it's more than that it's the mockery of the dead essentially it's this it's this kind of how they're in universe it's one of those bad writing elements where because of the bad writing we have to assume that all of these harphits are compartmentalizing the deaths of friends and in this weird quasi religious ceremony of theirs it's very strange it's like this sort of thing that starts a plot and the characters learn about the evilness and they have to fight against it well like they're like the community they're a part of they talk about this ritual and this thing to it and they don't quite understand until they're much older and they realize we've been eating our own it's like yes satisfy the God there needs to be a harphit skinned version of Logan's run that I would watch yeah I'm on board I think the harphits Wiccanan vibes and the harphits sacrificial ritual I think the harphits could have got away with it for sort of well we were doing what we most people would slow us down and then everyone would die so we had to leave some people behind right up until that woman said we should just take their wheels and leave them after that there was no coming back I wouldn't do that they didn't even think about helping them not even anyone offering the suggestion to help them leaving so this is the thing there are tears of evil leaving them behind is a little different than going over to them and taking like sabotaging them and then leaving them it was like oh shit alright because they could pretend to be good people who are just like oh I'm just so busy with my own stuff that I just can't save you if you fall behind and that would suck oh when you steal their wheels like okay you just hate me then nothing could have just been honest about it's like yeah well you got a tall guy with you and we're pretty sure he's causing all the mushrooms to not be a thing he's evil and dangerous I guess yeah why not even though he's the only reason you're alive what would be the next step assume taking their wheels doesn't work and they somehow still keep it or they realize they don't actually need their caravan because they could just make another one so they still manage to keep up like what's the next step if you really still want to get rid of them they control the wall oh my god could you imagine wolves on them sardawks wolves very well released the hounds why not make him the main villain of season one oh that book he has it's a fucking spell book it has all the rituals and things to control the oh man wow and while he like sets an army of wolves on Naut Gandalf and he's like defending everyone from them and then Nori has to get the dagger of destiny and stab sardawk in the back like she'll jump out of nowhere she'll teleport and stab him right there and then he like yeah he melts like the Nazis and Indiana Jones and it releases all of the harphids he's eaten in the past out of him as spirits they all go to heaven our souls are free see that would be good there you go you fixed it everybody you can have that one for free amazon joy now several people have been noting that the ship is indeed much bigger on the inside than it is on the outside of course it is because they couldn't possibly justify all of this stuff they take it with them otherwise um there is a meme that I've seen where like there's like seven layers of ship underneath the ship it's quite amusing but oh yeah just so you know we're an hour in and we're only as far as we talked about the watch tower falling apart disperu I missed that bit I'm sorry oh I'm so upset legendary part of the episode I still want to know whether that revealed the lock just a testament to numinorean boatsmanship oh yeah they're shipwrights or they're that good they're a seafaring people have you seen the pictures people have been drawing on the boats of how they can fit everything in I have if one of you want to link it I can put it on screen if one of you want to grab one real quick yeah just let me know if you got one or I'll show the people because I think it actually makes a lot of sense you know and it's one of those moments where you're kind of head canning but you know I think it's reasonable and sort of helps you enjoy the show a bit more when you understand logistically how things work yeah there see there you go the iceberg because like yeah a lot of people are confused I love the chit chat priming high-speed turbo engine Galadriel's room that's a good touch yeah plastic arbor yeah I don't see the problem at this point that's probably an elevator in the centre there as well the highly flammable wine they need like a scoop on the front though so they can carve the way up any river no matter how shallow it is it just pushes a path yeah that high-speed turbo engine just blasts them through no matter the it's not even yeah it's like all terrain ship that's great so yeah we're on the we're on the new and orange ship and the seal door's walking around because he's bored I guess as he often is and unfortunately for him he bumps into Galadriel an awful fate for any character in this show because you just can't wait to tell you how much she's better off whatever way it may be what is it this time actually is something to do with he's able to see over the horizon right apparently she can see through he throws away an apple he's barely finished it was annoying to see alright it's wasteful he also shot it with his horse in the preceding scene which I thought was on hygienic but what do I know he loves his horse alright he's a hitty I'm trying to get a good shot of this apple gosh me see there you go look at that plenty of apple left what is this guy doing terrible they have two less ships to store provisions now does that change literally anything I don't think so what we call magic at this point but yeah she says she can see land already this yeah sorry this this world isn't flat right it is it is currently currently yeah well I thought it turns spherical after the fallen umino yeah the god turns the world around to punish them when they invade valinor but this world then how can there be a sunset well the sun it literally goes above and underneath yeah so it still works in that way but there's no sort of underside of the earth for it to light up when it's disappeared from the night sky but how can it go beneath the horizon if the world is flat there's still a horizon if the world is flat I mean the world isn't unendingly flat so there's an edge of it somewhere oh like it's like a disc yeah yeah a disc world and it goes under the edge of the disc on the other side yeah it's um now it goes around the bottom what's on the bottom end form side rather the void I think is just this nothingness does anyone peek over the side and look at the void I don't actually where the edge of the world is in this whole world and I don't know if they ever visit it but the sun and the moon are NASA has a fleet of ships around it to make sure that no one ever goes there it's all a massive conspiracy so I can't take pictures or there's no witnesses well they do let you see it but then they don't let you come back yeah but the world the world should be flat at this point but I don't think the trade is going to do that so I assume for the sake of this that it's round I guess I suppose yeah in which case you can't see horizons in the way your elf eyes can't see through the planet it's just funny don't remind me of like good elf senses considered everything we've seen this season it's like just probably the opposite of this point it'll make more sense good elf senses do not include common sense something I thought was funny in this scene is that she asked him why'd you join he says because like I just wanted to get away how disappointing it would be to hear that as Galadriel if they could keep her in character for 5 seconds that he believes this to be an incredibly important and righteous sort of act and there's this guy who's like sort of here whatever I want to see the world I guess not even true get out of that amazing glistening alabaster city I don't know at what point I just want to get away thing entered into his character because that's not how he's introduced to us and it's not his first drive and motive he wants to go he just sort of drops that going to the west bit just sort of disappears when he says like I think I need to earn it but now he just wants to get away in total it was almost like they'd written him as a sailor and then they realized no we need him in the cavalry so we need a reason for him to not to want to be a sailor anymore and so they just made something up it does it comes across as just tangled up because I was actually going to ask for a hand and Tim's like maybe I've missed something what is this character in this exactly he's like a brash young guy who wants to go on is it adventures he wants to go on or is it someone else going on depends which episode you're asking about time to time his first one is to go back he has family ties to West Numenor and it's not ever stated I don't think exactly what those ties are but he wants that's the thing here here's the whispers and it's calling to him and then he wants to be a sailor and just wants to get away so I can't reconcile those two things at all I think it just depends on which episode you're watching and then just go with whatever character they show you in that moment it's great it's useful and fun yeah I don't know this conversation with him and Galadriel I was just thinking like if we were to rewrite it what kind of interesting things can you dig out of it and it's like well unfortunately both of you suck there's not much for either of you to dig out of each other I feel like this is almost filler I haven't even got much notes for it no it's only when the father appears she does go you look like your father I don't know if it's just me but I don't really look at anything I like at all I don't see Lendil in his face at all now but whatever I guess he says he was always told he looked more like his mother which is the setup then for the subsequent conversation before he departs he sees the sunrise over the ocean and seems awestruck by it but this guy is a sailor and well he was until two episodes ago so he must have why is this wowing this thousands of times I don't know if anyone has to stream up but VLC just provided me a horrifying Galadriel face Jesus why is that it's it's coming up to Halloween that's her true face that's like the Orc beneath oh no it's recovering we're alright yeah the best one of that was when we were recovering the VLC we had a whole army of VLC glitch faces that was a good shit the conversation between her and Lendil is if I remember pretty uneventful except for the part where there's like Sahad the mum die and he's like most of my life I've looked east to see the sunrise we're sailing into the dawn it feels like the coming of night and it's like dot dot dot she drowned Galadriel says the sea is always right lol yeah that's the meme I've seen everywhere to be honest with you because it's just like why did you guys think the writers considered that right like you drowned the sea is always right it's the thing we always say and it's like ah sounds like it's fine it's fine don't worry about it um may also he's just like things are feeling bad that's foreboding everyone because this episode the way it ends kind of justifies his feeling there doesn't it very clever I think where he answers he kind of walks off first and then turns around like he forgot her entire question no he's got to actually answer it having walked back we've progressed from they forget each other's questions to they remember it really late they're like oh no no no no she drowned but yeah how exciting they're already near land like I remember asking rags I was just like this place was far away like how does fuck is the timeline they did say on the ship didn't they will take us a day to sail to Middle Earth and another day's ride to reach the southlands it was a day up the rivers and then a day's ride so is that actually two days from this point one day passes for the townspeople but two days pass for them yeah but then that gets like I bet you the writers would be like well but no but some of the stuff we saw with the townspeople from earlier on you know or later on rather time is subjective that's a token quote it could be days or it could be hours that's established so whenever they say days just interpret it as the plot needs you to I thought it was funny as well I think there's a line that's like signal the other ships tell them to make haste and I was just like that's somebody you do need to do that it's just like it's not really a fleet it's not even does three count as a fleet I haven't checked my definitions not sure it's even big enough to be a squadron that's like a flotilla at best also they have established that it's a day from Numenor to the shores of Middle Earth I think they do say it's a day from Middle Earth from Numenor to the shores of Middle Earth which gives us some idea of what Galadriel should have known when she jumped into the ocean and made to swim back because she got further than Numenor she might have passed it to get to Valinor so she must have known they've been standing on that ship for over a day in their full armor and B, she must have known when she jumped in that it was more than a day sailing to get back so she would absolutely have died for incredible luck she even says that at one point when the first meets Meryl she says your captain saved us from certain death yeah certain suicide well yeah it's as though I think the rise of that point would say like yeah but Galadriel she just knew that it was destiny there's no way to explain that why would she just kill herself that's just stupid yeah it'd be something like the feeling of the Valar or something sent her into the water you had confidence in them okay we see good ol Elfman is trying to destroy the sword hilt with a hammer and he says when he hits it a couple times it is beyond our skill to destroy it like oh you try to hammer but like there's probably a there's probably a shit ton of other things you could try probably some other people you could talk to and then of course you don't even have to destroy you could just dig a really big hole in a distant part of a forest that could be pretty good madness that would never work but uh no he's just he's hitting it with a hammer I was starting to wonder what is this thing made of like is magic something or other is there a myth thrill a hammer that would break it I believe the ring is super duper special and now I'm like okay it's actually breakable too which is weird because it's clearly broken is that it's normal state that it doesn't even have a blade or is this a broken version of it of what it was before I don't know my guess is built like that as a disguise because there is the secret rate of course reform the blade when you use blood but no one who doesn't know what it's already for would look at the broken hilt and think that it's any more significant than it is but that might be me doing work on the writer's behalf because the one ring the creation of it and the spell casting that it's like could only be destroyed and the fires of what created it it's like oh that lines up yeah especially for fantasy stuff this thing is just like it's just equally as indestructible and you have to throw it into Mount Doom as well and then it's just like you might argue diminishing it there's no mount boom to throw it into yet there is it's just quiet right now right okay because it has similar effects it changes the emotions of the wielder they use it it makes them feel powerful and stuff so they could say well he didn't exactly he tried to make a ring fails but this is sort of on his way to learning the power I guess so just like because I had no idea by the way because the thing I didn't know a lot about anything about the show but when they introduced the sword hill I had no fucking clue this is what it was going to be about I thought it was going to be another wheel of time sort of what pinching from wheel of time because there's the dagger and that isn't there which corrupts someone turns the evil and that becomes like a he becomes in a sense the McGuffin or the point of the plot I just assumed that the dagger would corrupt what's his name Theo is that his name that he can't act and then you know he would commit some vast betrayal or something or they'd have to heal him and then they discovered what the dagger was but I didn't know I mean I think it's safe to say I don't think anybody predicted what the dagger would actually end up doing no and I'm assuming this there's nothing that they've drawn from the source for that that a sword in a thing opens up oh no no this is all bollocks none of this actually exists are they allowed to say this? they can't contradict it it's not that they can't just make shit up right well I think they can just make shit up no sorry what I'm saying is they're not allowed to contradict they are allowed to make shit up no I think they're allowed to contradict as well given that so much of what they make up is contradictory from their POV question mark because I think what they think haven't they got people legally keeping an eye on them they're not allowed to step too far out of line for certain things they're not allowed to utilize any material from the book they don't have the rights to so they can't trespass on it by they can't depict what happens in the Silmarillion because they don't have the rights to it but they can tell an alternative story to the Silmarillion and by definition that's going to have to contradict but given that they've condensed 3,000 years of history Bordeaux is never like this in the book the dagger doesn't exist, Gladwell isn't who she is Elrond isn't even alive at this point yeah it's contradictory but they're allowed to do it because they're not trespassing on the rights question by doing so it's really what the estate will let them get away with is what they can do because they've said about previous things well this wasn't mentioned that it didn't happen therefore we thought it gave us license to actually do it so they're definitely not concerned about making it so and I think this audio was just their version of the ring for this because so many of the other characters and things are just mimicry of what happened to the Lord of the Rings it's not thing without the Hobbits it's not something without an attempted fake Aragorn, this is a fake ring yeah there's a couple of lines they steal as well for just like differences they just really want to evoke Lord of the Rings movies and of course they're just like you like this don't you I don't like you though it's different so yeah she's back to being full-on leader again I just thought that was funny right because I know that you can have moments of despair but it's just for the fact that she had this big public breakdown of how we're all gonna die we're all evil it's all over to now be back to like alright everyone listen exactly what I say it's like okay I feel like Elfman should be leading at this point well he gave the better speech of the two of them he did and he's the most sort of consistent of them and the most one with the most sort of leadership qualities but I guess in universe I mean if the people are still sort of skeptical of the Elves maybe they wouldn't trust him but they trust her by gum like okay I guess so and isn't he kind of in the lead anyway I mean he handled the tower thing on his own on this he's the one behind all the military strategy he's the one that will be telling them to fill in the holes set up things here this is gonna be our plan for the battle that's basically the leader what she actually what does she actually do of leadership in this whole episode I don't even know yeah I think you're right like she sort of just agrees with what are his plans and by the way I already wanted them not to do this I wanted him to fucking leave but when I found out it's like yes fill the holes that's gonna be one of our major jobs like guys this is not a good place to just this is just a bad place to defend you you couldn't be more exposed they just put some wood on it in the end look at this huge hole they're trying to fill with soil and there's many of these and like all you need is one of the digger orcs to fuck it all up really quickly and that's it even that wasn't consistent because it was it the digger orcs or was it the slaves because if they had the digger orcs they didn't need the slaves and if they had the slaves they didn't need the digger orcs as has been highlighted why if you're desperately willing to defend a village were you not willing to defend the watchtower especially when the watchtower has like this really good choke point they got across the bridge yes I know the village has the bridge choke point as well but their actual plan it's not necessary to follow through it you can go around it you can go the left and right of it I think is like a little pool it's like like their own battle strategy as they layered out for the defense of the village is that we will wait for all the orcs to cross the bridge so they know that they're going to cross the bridge the bridge is the only route in the orcs don't like can't stand water anyway so they can't fought the stream or anything like that they could go around it but they don't choose to do that obviously the sensible thing to do is you surround the village and you starve them out because you know they've got no food but fuck that that's sensible but the bridge still serves as the choke point they identify when they're explaining their plan their plan is to let the orcs all cross the choke point before they engage them so it's not even if the orcs just can't touch water 100% they could still there's the forest on the left and right sides there's all the holes they've dug like I don't believe for a second that these coverings are stopping them from using these holes like I just don't they're mostly humans anyway who would have none of those issues and they should have the sense to actually like detect a plan and go around it they've told us that they have a whole day to set this up and it's like why didn't the orcs attack you at night when yeah they were hit like the tower hit a bunch of them but that was what like it's not even that many of them at all I was like a quarter at most even that probably not wouldn't eight I'll just be like alright everybody go to get them in the village that's the next thing we're doing tonight it's like they're implying the walk to the watch tower and the tower falling on them cost them the entire night well honestly probably took about 20 minutes actually and he has up to you know probably a couple of thousand orcs would you not have sent them to the village at the same time and then just in case they've headed back there or there are some stragglers just to make sure and what's crazy is that they had this whole day to prepare but they had no reason to think they had this day to prepare until the day started up I mean like the orcs could easily have just come down and started attacking them but they all treated as though no they won't attack us until next night and was like oh how'd you know that we are at the section where they are preparing for okay okay I see so hi thanks for internet when flea me huh oh that's alright okay yeah um pretty much went through all of the problems of them defending the village and setting up the village and that is not really a defensive place by any stretch of the imagination there's no walls fortifications ways to funnel the enemy into certain directions well they just decided tavern is now going to be their um their alamo essentially which is okay um they just I just don't know why we're not running away yeah you should be running away and getting help the fact that you are able to do that kind of damage probably bought you any time that you might need to get away that would have been the the story is like oh if we if we leave then they'll catch up to us you know they can only move at night but they can move way faster yeah and they could have said like the watchtower will be the best chance we have of a fortification to defend so either we run and they eventually catch up or we risk that rather or we choose now to stand and fight that's an actual choice right there yeah but I mean the show really wants to have its helms deep moment and there's so many overt callbacks including like camera work and slow mo shots and everything to helms deep in this episode but that one is actually set up properly because they they address this exact question when they're under siege now everyone says is there any other way for the women and children to get out of the caves and explain that the well there is there is one rude out but you know it's too tight it's too narrow it's too slow and the Eureka will catch them up and murder them all and it's established that you can't just run away behind yourself because you know you are at the Hornberg and behind the Hornberg is just mountains so that works whereas in this one it's voluntarily picking a random building in the middle of nowhere with a clear path behind you a forest you can run into but no it's going to be this will be our keeper she says um you can choose this position yeah and by the way one thing about one thing that bothers me is that when we see from a long distance the location of the watchtower I just don't believe you can all make it up there you're if you have someone who's old or even somewhat elderly that looks like a very it looks like you're climbing up a very very harsh mountain they're not like the half votes they help their elderly get up there oh okay alright I don't know if there's an answer for this where are they getting all of their warfare resources from they have shit tons of arrows and I know that you're supposed to think they just made them in a day there was that very brief scene of like making a few swords and a few arrows where all this is meant to have come from you've got shit tons this is a day's labor you know you've got enough arrows and everything to fortify a town that's why you don't keep it handy because you know you just make it in a day anyway yeah they all know how to do it I get whatever yeah it's just because otherwise they should have taken this to the tower if they'd had it before there's so many things they should have done you think a lot of things oh man rags look at this image they're setting it up this is what we call Chekhov's explosion cart that's where it all kicks off when they got to the beginning of that whole fight and as soon as action happens it just shits itself immediately it's funny you can always rely on them for it yeah there we see Homer is still alive and well holding his little spear there gonna be interesting to see him again yeah he's ready to defend his people yes there's a really funny part where even though I think Elfman is more inspiring than Lady he's like do you believe do you believe we will make it through this they'll go yeah and he goes do you believe we'll make it through this they go yeah alright so like oh god we all gonna die it's uh why would I even bother suggesting like guys remember that other movie other three movies there's some inspirational speeches in that one you could say possibly considered some of the greatest speeches of all time but this is fine this is alright this is really cool I just feel like especially if I was one of the guys we should just run we can come back later but we gotta run we gotta tell someone we gotta get an army and force we just can't do it ourselves we have you know women and old people and children with us so we should probably we're just not ready I also we are not warriors we are farmers and craftsmen yeah it's hard to believe and if I was a part of this society I'd probably desperately be like please we should leave everyone please oh are you also crazy if I was a part of this society I would have left years ago I would be like fuck these people I'm out we had a specific scene in the last episode saying strength isn't enough to fight orcs you need military strategy you have to be agile know what you're doing like these aren't don't worry about your own stuff I was gonna say they don't need arms we know that they got feet that's step one that one is moving them in the right directions they really hype up the orcs and then you've got this which makes them look absolutely pathetic because people just farmers with no training can beat them so this fucking dumbass shit happens he's like mum remember when I used to have nightmares what did you tell me and she was like oh I remember when you when you would come to me as a child be like having bad dreams I saw a spooky gremlin she'll say to him in the end this shadow is a small passing thing there is light and high beauty forever beyond its reach find the light and the shadow will not find you like what what the fuck did you just say I love the idea she tells this like a 5 year old they're just like uh anyway the spooky gremlin it's not real it's fine I think they actually pinched that line from Return of the King I think the shadow is a small passing thing is in Return of the King but this scene the first time I had the episode on I just went and made a coffee it's so so painfully cringy that I thought I might get cramped and so I left and I had to go and like suffer it when I was more prepared for it there's a couple of those in this episode there's sort of long self-important very very earnest speeches which are just I get a lot of those in this show yeah it it's it's those are the things that let you know that this show is trying to be something that it simply isn't it's so profound all wants you to think then all flat on their face all the time I was so distracted by the idea that she told this fucking speech to a kid who had a bad dream all the time that's so funny you're insane and where was this logic just last night where you were like we're all evil we're all gonna die it's fucked man I feel like this is changing part oh my yeah and she was a military fortress then now she's in a town with no defenses she's far more confident yeah that makes sense doesn't she say something about the light and the darkness defeats the shadow I'm like no that makes shadows that's how shadows actually work she would be like shut the fuck up I'm trying to be all fun wistful and you're like yeah okay you go right ahead so we get this wonderful payoff where she talks to man elfman who's like remember the seeds from episode one this legit like wait oh yeah the seed like it's tradition for elves to plant a seed before a fight and then she just says in response to that new life in defiance of death um uh no you're dead he told you to say that it feels like such a huge jump and he'd just be like did you so what else tell you that like yeah because you don't even speak that way why would you oh it's so yeah I don't know how many times I could say they do not know how to write dialogue um but I guess yeah they planted together and then they have a big old kiss uh this is this is a long time coming this relationship has been incredible absolutely it's so well developed I know why they love each other and how they met and what they see in one another how long they've known each other everything they share it was a really emotionally impactful scene which weird is that he's been here for 79 years so like he would have known about her as an infant you know no he would have watched her grow up no I didn't even think about that why did you tell me that I can't wait till she's old and into fuck you know he was thinking it for thought about it for years he's like that's one hot baby I can't oh elves I'm sorry but what's the reason you put on blue he was like whoa she is the she is the protagonist uh right where are we here seeds defined death oh yeah he says one of the Valar watches over growing things and those who tend them the rest we shall plant when the battle is over a new garden you me and Theo I'm just thinking like Theo I'm almost thankful I was like oh no you just gotta feel me living with us like that yeah well he's he's just like come on we're gonna we're gonna get this gonna be great we're gonna win and so leads us to the night the orcs they're coming and so can orcs not touch water at all was it were you saying is it like acid to them or what yeah they um no sort of servant of Sauron can they will they will always hate it the water and it goes that right but he pours the water in his hand in the prison camp oh yeah yeah fuck it then don't care well I was gonna say anyway if you look at this like there's clearly a way for them to get across this without going over the actual bridge you know yeah I mean they could just go around in theory they are not supposed to be able to go into water they hate the water all evil things hate the water it's why the Nazgul you know they they refuse to go into the river in Fiddleship of the Ring evil distrust water the water umway I think is the Valar who's always in the water and they they've always hated it but as you say apparently the show kind of forgot that but they remembered it now so that's why they will have to go across the bridge but there's pretty old cajoles in it they don't have to go over the bridge also there's not even water there they don't take advantage of them going over the bridge at all anyway like there's nothing bottlenecking them on the bridge doesn't there's nothing to it there's no we had that exploding new Menorian wine yeah oh yeah yeah a whole bunch of casks underneath the bridge light them up boom that would have been great but the perfect time to attack them would be now when they're just like to abreast and you can have your entire village firing arrows out and can't get past yet they are the war games they don't do like they should probably start up that fire cart now right but um wait if their plan is to trap them then I guess they need to wait well yeah but that plans nowhere near as good as like trying to just oh yeah it's dumb but I guess with their plan in mind I suppose they did it at the right time because I guess their plan was just a slightly inconvenience the orcs for a moment because the orc just like kicks it down and walks through that's real funny I was just going to swap us quick to Singapore because we can get a little robot I noticed as well yeah feel of my internet having autism but it was happening for everyone Singapore looks like it has Singapore is like our grey havens it's our undying land Singapore sweet Singapore only the greatest of podcasters can go there one day so they're coming across the bridge getting all spooky one of the orcs are told to go and inspect the area here and it's like oh god what's going to happen it's just basic filmmaking stuff they see the object they're hiding behind the object he's coming around he's about to look and then there's nothing there where'd she go I'd be as confused as him I don't blame the poor guy he got done dirty yeah one of the situations we were just like what in the world are we dealing with he climbs up here and looks now this is quite a field of view he would have here keep it in mind oh but this is where they were now they framed it in such a way that might fool you into thinking that this made sense it doesn't even come close to making sense he would have seen those two the second he jumped on the little little thing but they're pretending he didn't because the camera didn't see them yet that's gotta be one of the most common dumbass action things ever if you're not on camera you don't exist yep don't worry about the camera now we're gonna go check that these guys got a stealth kill why didn't she go around and try and split his throat or just get a quick worst attempts at a stealth kill the most lethal part of the body chat for those of you who aren't ready for this look at this image she's clearly got her weapon in her hand where are we going with this where are we she is screaming by the way let's get this insta kill we're going oh and fucking vlc flumed but probably see what that was he stabbed it his foot yep works are an existential threat to the world I'm being told simultaneously he's fighting with his feet so that's the most important part oh yeah that's right if you disable the feet you've basically won he's planted his roots now what will he do this was hilarious and I can't believe they thought this was worthwhile like they would have filled this you defined this action moment as her getting a free shot and she chose to hit his toes arguably his foot she didn't even twist stab gut she didn't even do that what the fuck it's incredible and so yeah she does that and then he goes oooh that hurts that's the exact sound that he made uncanny and then uh that wasn't predictable wait he doesn't even swing at it then that happens we were actually losing our shit with this already it was so funny we had so much fun we were killing a slice this woman is just dead now she's dead thanks for showing up never mentioned again never mentioned again there's no horror at her death there's no like expression that your friend was just killed next to you it's again it's just like the Harfeit thing a small community where everyone knows everybody and you grow up together and someone dies in front of you and you're like you just don't even have a reaction to it especially if the only reason that person died is because you stupidly stabbed the orc in the foot rather than killing him she is the reason this woman is dead what was she doing when she stabbed her in the foot why wasn't she doing anything she didn't even have a weapon she was just like hi I'm here that's great so he swings the torch and it doesn't work he swings his sword I don't know what that was editing wise and then she swings she's a master fighter now she's really good especially considering she's fighting with a farming tool it's such a like the choreography wise like I swing and miss you swing and hit and now you win it's like oh I would have thought you'd want to try and argue like she did something okay I guess he's dead and the most bizarre part is she can now continue the plan the stealth mission did nobody know the orcs notice this all the the war cries and the swords clanging and stuff no it's absolutely entirely unnecessary that entire thing changes nothing about what then follows it actually gets damaged yeah it just makes things make less sense I mean our main character just doesn't give a fuck that this I assume friend of hers that she's protecting just got killed in front of her eyes there's no reaction to it in all of that by the way all of the orcs are now across the bridge in that amount of time there was like plenty to come then we have that crazy nonsense 30 second action scene and now all of them across he's like oh not bad and yeah none of them have noticed this is happening there's even a guy who's walking away from it how he is so close to this thing that's just happened but apparently he didn't hear anything nobody seems to be alerted by this giant flaming cart that just got started up as well it's fine and if it's established that the orcs have to go across the bridge which it seems like the show has decided they do why would you not have done that so the fiery cart hits the entrance to the bridge before they get across and then sets the bridge on fire for a while and then the orcs are kind of stuck because no one's going through it a sort of the point of a bridge is a choke point is it's very tactically useful but it's not tactically useful if your plan is to let them all get across it before you do anything it's all neck and your enemies really good idea it means it's like they thought about it as if it was a map and so the bridge is just the entrance to the map but you can't do anything you're not actually allowed to they could have designed this so all of this village was designed to buy these riders and everything they could have just had it to where it's a bay or river or where the bridge is like a substantial it's big enough to hold all the orcs like all of the terrain it's only here because the riders and everything were like yeah this is a fine place for it you know what I just noticed the body language of a lot of these enemies they're very much in orc body language mode the way they walk and lumber around when there's a reveal coming that I think wouldn't quite match that anyway they crashed the other side so now they're trapped and it's a little hint because they're all wearing masks or a lot of them are anyway but I have a feeling that when they were filming it they probably were all orcs something I get that impression too honestly but yeah they did this and what was weird at this point for me was that I immediately realized like so this either it's a fuck up on the filming side of things or something because like this is nowhere near their their whole forces nor should it be believed this is their whole forces this is like a very small amount of orcs so I would probably be stressed the fuck out right now as the leader because I'd be like we've just trapped what looks to be a rather small amount actually of a fraction of their men so we should be looking around because I have a feeling any smart commander like Adar's probably gonna have it so that they're gonna attack us from other places while these guys are just like the the fall guys almost but nobody thinks about that why would they? no they don't it's only a life or death situation whatever don't spend time thinking about it a little bit it's fine you'll be fine you have arrows but yeah so when we were watching this I think you were like I mean yeah they've thrown a carriage on one side on the other but it's wood so if you're gonna be killed surely you'd be willing to kick some of this stuff maybe and even jump over it fire is hot however you can just jump over it's not actually that big of a deal to jump over a campfire it's quite a mundane thing really you could just especially if you realize that there are archers popping up left and right and you're clearly wrangled in this fire two lines you just leave really you just leave you just use your legs and leave that's how people walk over hot coals it takes time for the heat transfer to apply to your skin and so if you do it fast enough it's not going to be that big a deal especially when in the middle of one of these you can even see there's a big gap between the fire just jump through it you can just actually leave dare I say a rare W it's like a minor W among a huge L for the show where the arrow went it's like aiming at the sky the other thing is if your entire strategy revolves on setting fire to your enemies maybe just a thought I'm not going to be putting my archers on top of a thatched roof next to all of the fire yeah that's actually a really great point we did it Patrick we saved the town but uh you see this there's a clear place for them to just escape already but this chat is like why don't I just kick this it's do you know what I really like this because it reminds me of like in shitty media and I say this this is very harsh it happens in video games a lot right where it'll be like you can't pass here because there's a log in the way it's like but I can go over the log and the game's like no you can't oh you went for a different video game thing than I did I thought you were going to say I hate it in video games where if there's something on fire and you just like brush against it or walk over it now you are on fire I also hate that yeah it is very it is one of my least favorite things it's in battlefield one as much as I love that game I fucking hate how if you just on the map if there's a there's a little bit of fire on the map and you sprint over it you are now on fire and you have to like prone and put yourself out so you got this guy who's like I could just kick this open and then he does and then they all get out and it's like oh my god it was amazing like I just never would have thought you guys would have that level of intelligence because of the show good for you I guess and the thing is it's still a huge disadvantage because they can only get out from that small area and you still got a shit ton of archers all shooting that choke point so and there's already not that many to begin with we're looking like what 20 left not really much probably underestimating that actually 30 yeah probably 40 I mean by the time they get those next 20 of arrows out and there's not many archers left among them but the big reason I'm trying to highlight this is that they are now preparing their battering ram and it's like guys I'm sorry but there's an archers there's archers up here firing one arrow per let's say three seconds or so do that next you're all gonna die I appreciate your dedication to the craft but you gotta go when watching this it really felt like a video game where the enemies are all attacking this place that if it breaks then you lose and you're just trying to kill the enemy before they can do that and as you put it right it's like the building has a health bar and for every hit with the ram it goes down it goes down it goes down we've all played these levels before it always happens but it doesn't really make sense in TV show world like these guys are desperately trying to break in here presumably to get the hilt but it's just like yeah but if they get shot and killed you gotta kill the archers first guys you have no chance otherwise it's like they watched like a castle assault well what happens first well they always set the barricades on fire at first then they get past that then they break through the keep gate and like well we don't have walls so we don't need to break through the gates no to do it anyway so the battering ram comes first and then after the battering ram that's when we kill the people these rooftops are actually easy to get up on we find that out very soon actually that they can just get up on them so we should try that but yeah they're trying to create tension here of like oh gosh if they break into the tavern and I was just like why don't they go to the tavern yeah it'll be fine besides the tavern people hopefully they have some spears because the second that they even dent the wall um well yeah you have people in their spears and sharp sticks to poke through the windows and poke through the door like that's gonna provide a pretty decent amount of resistance um however I think all they did was they gave Theo alone like one kid one spear and he's the only person in that room with any kind of weapon then we get this even though there's inside there were clearly like fighting h-men but before we progress um why do they have such an investment in barricade or breaking down the door of the tavern you get the hill everyone over this just now what the fuck always do they know the hilt is in the tavern we know that that's their goal they're trying to get that yeah but do they know the audience well they shouldn't but the characters told the audience that the tavern was the keep and because the audience knows the orcs must know as well well I was already fast forwarding to even if they know the hilt's in there they shouldn't be attacking the tavern yet because it's just no just doom because they're just gonna have to kill all the defenders but like if you look at this shot that comes soon after it's like I feel like our numbers have grown now the orcs I mean um and then it's like oh but they get flanked by uh a whole bunch of people with spears and stuff and then they drop their uh they drop their battering ram and it's like but didn't they just I thought that they were showing us that they'd been using god whatever I like how they set it down they don't actually drop it they just like set it down like they know it's a prop they can't damage it's really fragile but what's pretty cool about this moment I will say is that this this crowd of people was led by Homer Simpson himself and right he's getting stuck in doing a great job unironically the character that I care about the most in the series is this is Homer here stabbing an orc he's not a fighter he's not a warrior he's just defending his people and his land he's just doing his best he just had a chocolate cow and that was upsetting yeah he's just getting real stuck in he's doing a great job and the archers are still fucking people up and at this point it's just like there's one now really not that many of them left but then oh they are back stabbed one of the archers and it's like oh yeah this I'm surprised this didn't happen faster this is an actual thing the enemies were doing was sending more people up to get the archers from behind it's like god timing guys if you've done this a little bit earlier you may have saved like a shit ton of your own orcs and then I was thinking is that what this is or is this just one stray orc that decided to go up into the rooftops he just took it upon himself to he was like wow we're idiots we should go get the archers we should go get the archers yeah we should have brought shields oh is this the moment I think it is yep this is it so our Elfman is trying to get this guy this one guy in front of him he seems to be suddenly a fucking Cenobite fires the hook chain at him from behind look at that legendary throw what an absolute mad lad if you can see the amount of gap there is between Elfman's head and the actual thing that he's wearing they call it armor I guess to hook around that the throw has to be perfect that is incredibly difficult to get but then it gets even funnier they should have had the hook go into him that would have been if he tugged on his leg or his shoulder it's an orc throwing a hook at you they should have just done that it would have shown him actually getting some for a hook throw you're gonna have to dig that in personally you can't just toss it and it would do that to a human like it's gonna well if you hook it around him and then you pull depending on where it lands it would drag and then get in it's a chance but anyway it could have gone in as a collar bone something I love this bit, yeah this was one of the many times me and Rags had to pause because I lost my shit laughing at this so before we even approach what happens next this guy had all of the advantages okay this was great, Elfman was fighting some random dude and you're there on the top of the roof I assume you have a fucking pocket knife at least something you could have just stabbed him in the back but instead you were like no I'm the chain hook this is my whole thing I've trained so long I'm gonna do it so it's like a two meter distance looks like he gets the perfect throw now what you might think it in chat like I guess he yanks him and whatever happens as a result of that is whatever happens it's like sure alright I think he's gonna go for it here he goes and all three of them fall down I just I don't understand I feel like this is one of the few moments where I don't need to say anything I just show you it it's just so funny he was really committed to pulling that elf down you know his direction was like there would be a bit of a tussle you pull the chain but you'll lose your footing and you'll fall and he just throws himself off the roof was that good enough for the director was like yes yes it was yeah it's fine no one will notice no not even no one would notice it's that's what I wanted that's perfect no you got it you nailed it did you grab this pot that is so quick this is why I enjoy this one we loved watching this so much this is so fun to watch I'll do a B for this that's probably good enough as a selection how many seconds is that two, three, four, five he's gotten it close but that should be copyright free so yeah he falls off the little rooftop there and then hits the ground but our chainman he's getting back up straight away there he is and he just sort of leaves off he goes out of frame and you're like oh that's weird he should just follow up and you know kill the Elfman and he's like oh yeah well he is he's back this is like what was that what's the what I'm out of here fuck this don't I'm not I'm back here I go it's uh I don't know what would have been told to him when they were filming this that would make this make sense I don't know what he's doing do you think it was like I need to give Elfman a chance to sort of refocus he realized he was in front of the camera so he's like I've got to come off at the left so I'm not blocking the cameras on the side this would make some sense if the original way they were supposed to film is that the chainman falls off so far that he goes behind the camera like you just said and so then he can we can imagine he rolled off way further and now he's running back to unfortunately we can see him he's in front of the camera so he gets up walks away then walks back in I think that's it they just didn't care because that just didn't care that would actually perfectly explain this because that is the kind of thing that uh that you know that you do in filming right that that stuff makes sense but we have to not see him do this for that to make sense that's great I think they're just so obsessed with it all being one cut yeah I'll do we don't want to roll off again I think that's it yeah so you know we're doing great and by the way Elfman already just staggering plot armor that's how you can tell that's how you can tell he's an amazing warrior he doesn't plant his roots ranks he'll happily get thrown off a roof that's what training does the more soldier training you get the more plot armor that's what it's for it's to create plot armor around you well did the chain disappear I actually think it did I was gonna ask that myself but uh you know there's so much for them to keep track of can you really expect them to keep the chain going too I don't think so it probably might not have even been a real chain honestly probably isn't there might not have ever been a chain not even a prop it was all CGI oh they make it so it flings over the other side of the roof what how oh yeah it flies away oh no no it is trailing them behind us fuck I can't tell oh yeah I don't even think it's a real it's not even a real chain is it it's all see it goes off to the right there I think it's all CGI and then I think we're supposed to believe oh there it is on the floor I think yeah I think it's there it survived exchange alright guys worries we got that chain uh oh yeah and then an enormous orc turns up this all feels so disconnected from like the actual fight like he's just we want Elfman to have his own adventures yeah yeah he's having his own little adventures over here because while this is all happening you just thought by now that all the other orcs have been wiped out uh you'd think at the rate that we'd seen them being killed before that's the thing man if you're able to fire that many arrows that fast and you have that big of a quiver yeah you'd be surprised how many you can kill they made memes out of it with Legolas okay there's a lot of people yeah what and it just means to tremble yeah I said why not have my own opinion rags really I think it's a perfectly fine thing to have a sheebie dog trembling and excitement quivering and anticipation over what new scenes and adventures we have next and Amazon's rings of power things strange to do otherwise I like that we we stay true to the thing we've learned from covering so many bad movies and tv shows at this point when the huge creature grabs your hero and they could break their neck or strangle them break some bones punch them to death that's bad you don't want to throw yeah throw him away throw him around it's it's it's so lame it's like yep of course that's exactly what would happen I still don't know why this is the only orc with no weapon yeah he doesn't have a fucking knife he could have won already but no this is the one orc that didn't bring a weapon because he is the weapon oh he's the guy they could have given the biggest weapon too and no he is the weapon he's he took he's a black belt and orc jutsu that's great rags but he just seems to throw people around I don't even think orc jutsu is that good it isn't because they are orcs and they're not they're not really great at anything that's just that's their word for throwing things it always makes me laugh when he does these flips it's meant to be like some kind of brazilian fighting dance move someone did name it on twitter but I forgot what it is when he's like I wanted to bring a lot of myself and my culture to the role that's the stuff he's talking about he's fighting with his feet so it's consistent dude he does all these like I'm just so fluid in how I can do all this stuff and then he just takes the punch look it's like nice dude try to sell me as this like character does he lead into it? yeah because he's preparing to give the sense that he was punched so he needs to go forward and go because he's not actually punched but it's so funny because it's just he looks like he's like punch me do it he does just sort of do all this he just he gets punched in the face it's not very clever punch that hard from a dude like this just like man staying conscious is going to be tough with that one but yeah sure fine it's possible surely the next move would be to punch him in the face again no it's to throw him which funnily enough you'd be like what an idiot but he does throw him pretty hard into a stone wall but he's fine do you remember when that happened to the random girl in moon night and we were all just like so she's dead she gets like tossed by one of the bodsters into a brick wall someone seems to think that you can throw a human being hard enough like throwing them through the air into like a brick wall it's like ah man who winded me a little bit as opposed to shattering many bones it's the it's like it's the pugilist equivalent of when you get shot in like the shoulder yeah pretty much where it's like ah you're good like I've even seen those meme formats where they'll show all the body parts and highlight it's like if you're not a main character you know but if you're a main character which parts you're allowed to be hidden shoulders is usually one of them I guess it's um I think it's uh the human body is simultaneously very resistant to harm while also very frail and like growing somebody location location location is a big part of it but it just seems that um it's almost because of movies it's like you see people fly around because of wire work and stuff like that and it's like oh yeah I guess if you do just get thrown so hard that you go flying through the air and then you hit a brick wall that you're just going to be fine it's not going to destroy you one force never killed anyone well yeah it seems to be that people understand stabbing and shooting but blunt force it's like oh yeah hit them in the back of the head knock them out as opposed to much more like hate them it's one of my least favorite tropes where you you kick someone in the head or you hit them in the head when you want to pause them put them in stasis until the next scene yeah when in reality you you run a real good risk of either giving that person like permanent brain damage or killing them um or it's like when when people they smash a bottle over their head it's like you probably not going to smash the bottle but you probably have seriously made that person like you've you've you've done some I don't know just stop throwing characters into brick walls and then expecting them to be fine if it doesn't kill them at the very least they're not getting up for a while I don't even know this counts this would count as a physics question I think um if when you hit someone with a bottle and it doesn't smash versus does smash is there a sense of which one would do more damage to you um I'm pretty sure that well so you know I'm pretty sure that they use breakaway like prop bottles for films to make them smash because in reality in reality if you smack someone over the back of a head with a glass bottle the bottle is probably not gonna yeah the bottle is probably not going to crack and it's probably going to kill them yeah or at the very least it's a real a real possibility my understanding is that the force transfers to your head almost fully if it doesn't smash right but if it does smash it's like uh yeah I think I think however there's also the elements of you have to be hit harder in the first place for it to having a force to shatter or energy to shatter the bottle well I don't know I can see both uh presumably it's dependent on a lot of variables right like oh yeah the kind of bottle where it hits on the bottle yeah the durability of the person themselves I actually don't know the answer I could see it making sense either way I think probably you have to hit harder to break but the break might dissipate the force so which one comes out in the end it might just be a matter because like I think the reason why they use the breakaway like smashes because I think it just it seems more impactful visually when it smashes when in reality I think if you hit someone and then it thunked them and then they fell down it would actually just be a lot more raw and scary uh compared to when the bottle smashes right there's a there's a funnier element when the shards like go shh it makes me think of parts like Caribbean where they hit Jack in the first one it's kind of like um you know when people like smash chairs or smash something when they flinging into something like when Bart smashes over over the head with a chair it's if it didn't break it would be like really awkward that joke what was the reason why he did that again it's something to do with like his new potential dad who he says like he's strong enough to have a chair broken over him or something oh yeah and then he just got over there taking him off why the oh that would you remember that was uh so that was the episode where wasn't at the aquarium and then like Homer decides to be part it's like the what's it called like the big brother like where like some kid in need and then they've got like an older father figure and then he meets he meets Bart's one and then it's like for your information I miss father and then the guy's like his father the drunken gambler that's right and who might you be he just gets punched in the face there were a lot of good jokes in that fight he threw the starfish out of like a shuriken the other guy caught him all put him in a little tank he's like there you go little fella shark immediately eats them and then the fight comes to an end when he punches Homer and he falls over his back lands in the middle of a fire uh fire hydrants this is even more painful than it looks so many good jokes in like less than a minute and it's good I got Homer on the screen when we were saying all that too that's right so really it all it all came full circle hopefully he doesn't fall on a fire hydrant that would be really sad or a similarly cruel fate do you see they give Homer the moment of like my people they're dying sort of thing it's just like really okay if you want to he's the one who gets these moments not like our main character not Lady or Elfman no I phase in an hour remembering I think that story is just way more insular the writers don't care that much about their relationship with the village it's only about them and the son that's it because the equivalent scene in Helm's Deep it's Haldir isn't it who sees all the elves around him dying but that has much more tie in with the world because he's turned up with his elves they are his people it's sort of symbolic of the fading of the elves as well whereas in this case it's just we kind of liked it when they did that in the Jackson film how can we do that how can we do that here Homer is kind of a villager we'll give it to Homer Homer is kind of a villager I can believe they actually said yeah Homer is kind of a villager he's the most significant one because they've done nothing for the characterization of the entire village it's a real surround I do just like that on the script it says Homer above every line of dialogue that he has so he gets thrown again and then he just spots this little splinter of wood that he's like ah this is perfect stabs him in the leg with it he like stabs him over and over again for some reason this giant orc man is just like unable to attack him this whole time he's just like ah I'm getting staggered by you hitting me with this twig oof oh no he gets him in the back of his I think it's like an ankle I'm not sure then kicks him God do you remember Aragorn vs Lirtz I was thinking Lirtz yeah that fucking is legendary he fucking fires his shield into Aragorn you think for a second there he's decapitated you're like Jesus Christ throws an actual real knife at Vigo Mortensen so cool stabs it in his eye and I remember watching this and being like oh you're probably not gonna die elves have this passive if your character, cause in this you choose your class but also your race and the elves passive is that they could just randomly look around and find wood to use as a weapon yeah you're right he spawned a twig and the twig has been saved his life I really do think that would be one of the things if you could have a conversation with the writers for the show he's like I need to sit you down twigs are not knives they're like what do you mean I don't understand what's happening if it was only stabbing him in the eye okay I'll give you that but it's like the leg and everything I'm like no stop I wanna know what his thought process is for this just having a piggyback ride I'm gonna jump on you he's having fun look at him he's just holding on he's not actually doing anything other people try and break the neck of something in this position but he's just hugging him he's just trying to break the neck but he has to look around and find a twig first just don't let go please get off this is a fair fight he can just pull him off until this next bit but he's like oh I remembered no I'm big and strong I guess I can do things I think he did just toss him straight into the well that would have been funny it's what they were gonna do but then I was like what's gonna happen after that that makes things awkward there's the second time he's been harshly tossed into a very hard rock wall on the back I'm alright fine I'm a protagonist I fear no blunt force trauma well not when he has his twig right do you think he's gonna get a twig shield too is this a security twig a twig shield um yeah and then they have what I could only describe as possibly the goriest thing in this entire show randomly yeah it goes on forever I didn't understand why did you want this moment basically he yanks the twig out of his own eye and he starts bleeding profusely out of it and he's just dribbling it all onto the elfman's mouth and it goes on for quite a while as well it's not even a short thing my guess was that this is the Lurtz moment when Aragorn stabs him and he pulls himself along the sword and that's the thing they were going for this is a parallel they're trying to make like remember when Aragorn fought Lurtz this is way as cool there's so many other scenes though the connections of the sword with the person that are off camera and you think well maybe they're doing that they want to preserve an age range or they said this was a family show and then they put a scene like this in this is not family friendly because we have like three people getting cut on the neck with knives or something and we don't see and it's not even this part either it's also when such and such gets hit by an arrow later and they're just like showing blood pouring out and like what are we doing they're not very consistent on it at all because they seem to try and avoid it and then suddenly it's like we're not avoiding it at all and you're like oh okay then? okay I think Lord of Rings has consistent gore you know like one of the things that comes to mind is it Aragorn or Baramir that chops the head off an orc in Moria and like you see a big blood fountain comes out oh yeah maybe they might have avoided a blood found because I know that's why Lurtz and stuff there's no blood coming out of him because they had to get that PG-13 rating and they had mentioned specifically that when Lurtz gets chopped up they don't have any blood coming out of him to avoid the rating interesting because it's pretty quick the other one with the Aragorn where he kills it and a lot of people assume that if it's darker it helps too but they just left over from almost Peter Jackson's history of the more flattery horror movies he'd made as well and it was just like a cool aspect being mixed in because there's a lot of you know a lot of the fights in Lord doings they have like some pretty harsh stuff happening but not quite like this it's kind of hard for me to categorize but look at that blood it's just pouring out it doesn't even look quite like it's doing it in a way that it would actually happen it's chocolate it looks pretty bad and they really wanted it to go into the Elfman's mouth like why he doesn't close it at any point he's like oh chocolate it's like that cow bonus of the scene so weird like I said I don't know who on set was like we gotta do this this is real good we gotta do it like this okay but yeah he doesn't die there's blood that will pours over one of the guy's faces I'm sure there's a scene like that in Fight Club where Brad pits on top of a guy and he bleeds all over him um I'm just checking like inspiration scene wise like this Fight Club brings a power there's very little to choose between them but I don't know if there is a different director between everything they did swap directors at some point either this episode or the previous one maybe like part of it is just stylistic choice and sort of different inspiration besides all the over sort of Jackson film callbacks I wouldn't be surprised if they were also looking at other things and saying well that was kind of a cool scene in Fight Club how can we make something equivalently sort of visceral and disgusting he just won't turn his head by the way this is like an inch away from stabbing Elfman through the eye probably because he's like you stab my eye you little bitch now I'm gonna get yours it's crazy because if you turn your head you can actually make it so that he will instead be putting it through something else I guess but you at least should have your eye most people do that basically like they try and protect their eyes you know well he could move his head he could just move to the left there are these this great you can move your head turn your head this just be human is cool because the moment he releases his pressure that's gonna hit the well I just there's no tension here when I know that he could be saving himself and he refuses to he's just like that's weird and I'm also just waiting for someone else to bail him out of which does happen I think they just wanted this shot because it's renowned for making people feel uncomfortable yeah but look at this he gets hit and then he just has to bleed just a little bit more all over his teeth like okay isn't that great isn't it gross out audiences or is it just because they just like that's cool I assume yeah we're a mature show we're like game of thrones it's it's lady lady did it lady though lady saved him how did she even reach that high I don't know I mean looking that's why they make it look this way she had to like really get up there which probably wouldn't be at all how you would do it right her leverage isn't too fantastic like that you probably expected to just try and stab him upward if that makes sense right like from the back stab him in the foot again I mean that seems to be that's a special move go for the weak point the orcs actually have a glowing weak spot on their back yeah like a zelda boss or something or like a starfox enemy so that I think it's close to the end of the fight they did it everyone's like cheering and hugging they're like we did it everybody we beat them and I'll admit I was like alright thank fuck we're at the end and I looked at the timecode and I was like oh shit we've got more than half an episode left oh Jesus there is a cool moment here where elfman appreciates Homer's work you are one of the best dudes here great guy what are you doing excellent stuff and you think like this is time for an elation right we've done amazing right and then elfman realizes something and I'll be honest with you guys I spoke with rags at length about this when we watched it I was like yeah didn't we already know this I thought we already knew this and so the realization is we've been fighting our own this whole time we've been fighting the villagers the villagers were sent in to attack us to kill them that is the realization go ahead oh my goodness this should be a moment where there's not a it's not like a we knew this was coming and now we're facing the fact that we had to kill people who used to be our friends and we already have issues with them so quickly turning against their own people I think yeah but there were all orcs all you've been killing is orcs suddenly it's like no actually they were humans like yeah okay like I think you've done a little bit of filming trickery they ever asked fine you know whatever secondly this implies then that all the people who went to swear fealty to the orcs were told by adar I'ma send you in to kill your own bitches and then they're like oh maybe it's that whole blood packs blood bond thing prove it one ever and turns out not a single fucker of all these were like I'm just I'm just gonna go I don't actually want to and not a single fucker was like when I get here I'm gonna take my shit off and go I'm actually on your team I'm on your team I'm on your team I got information I can help you out or try and sabotage the orcs or anything it's like no all of them committed they all committed to this course of action they were like I'm gonna die trying to kill my friends from the village huh okay they must have known because it's not as though they've been sent as part of a much larger force they've been sent in pretty much on their own as cannon fodder with no support yeah they must have known that they wish cannon fodder and that they were certain to die which given the whole reason they left the village in the first place was to survive you might not think yeah maybe maybe we're not gonna go along with this there's infinite ways out we could take but no drama between the ones who stayed and the ones who came back and yeah you could have done things it's also not entirely clear whether I haven't watched it for a couple of days but when I saw it it's like is the massive import in this scene oh shit we've just killed the people that we used to call our friends which I think it kind of wants you to think or is it that oh shit we realize we've just only killed a really small force of people we weren't expecting to have to kill and actually all the orcs are still out there I think we have to go benefit of the doubt and I think one of those makes more sense than the other the one that makes more sense probably is oh god we've been killing people we knew from our village because how the fuck didn't they figure out that this force was tiny like just by the fact that it's tiny compared to what they saw in terms of the the huge horde so I don't know that revelation then should be in their minds wouldn't that be more important more remember but also you've just come to realize that actually it's a it's a really tiny force we seem to have won but we must know we haven't won because we haven't killed any of the orcs yet yeah so I was actually gonna say you are the next scene well correct and incorrect at the same time because the show is both correct and incorrect in terms of what it's trying to portray right now it's that we're not seeing them have this grand realization of how there's clearly more but we should be because they clearly have behaved like this is the end of the fight when they shouldn't be they should be reforming and getting everything ready because there's nowhere near that they've killed enough but simultaneously they have the line of we've been killing our own but yeah they didn't realize they'd be fighting their own apparently it's like okay you probably could have put two and two together on that one but that's fine if you didn't if I were a villager there I'd be like you guys probably shouldn't feel too bad they were trying to kill us um so you know I guess I wouldn't take it away from you but um what are you gonna say sorry they show you four different corpses just to make sure that you do realize that this isn't just like one human in the group it's like their entire town and then they yeah they immediately go over to the next guy where they have to get an orc to go you know there are still orcs around so this entire thing is literally you debate what are they thinking no you don't even have to the show tells you at which point they actually realize what's going on because they always get told about it I'm surprised nobody said like yeah I guess it's sad that we killed the people who were trying to murder us I don't know I guess it's a shame that they decided to do that I guess and then maybe it would work if we had had some history on some of these people and the thing is they've killed any of the ones that had lines already like the kid he's already got killed waldrig has got a different plot thing to do so he can't be here so it's just like it's just all these faceless fuckers who I don't think I don't know who you are it's like yeah but it will just accept the fact that it's sad they used to be a part of a big old village it's like yeah but the village was terrible they were all extremely stupid they keep making choices I don't understand I cared more about the random people in the Shire and fellowship than I ever did about anyone in this village you just never characterized anybody as having like lives and relationships it was a boyhood friend someone said in chat it's like if it was a line for that I missed it oh what between Theo and the dead kid in the other scene no sorry I thought they meant because they said it was her boyhood friend one of the bodies but like I said I didn't pick that up I missed that I mean I can see the friend relationship between the other two but he's not on this scene so no that wouldn't make any sense I know I didn't pick up on either yeah I was completely out of sync with the scene at this point like they were like how sad is this and I was like like I guess they chose to attack and they got killed like I I think part of the components missing for me that the show probably thought was there was that they were forced to do this which I don't agree with they weren't really they could have ran away they didn't know them and I have to sympathize with why they did it and none of those you know gets a check mark so yeah we saw from the head guy it was like proposed to him and they could talk about what five seconds to decide to kill his friend anyway from that same group so we can only assume everyone else was the same one so that's the thing if they're establishing in that scene then that all of the ones that left to go and serve the orcs are like the bad descendants of the humans that serve Morgoth and they have like the bad juju in their heart then it's like oh I guess why would I care that they're dead then they're all evil apparently according to you they're like what is the difference between them and the orcs really like if they just they're gonna function exactly the same way they have no like individual thought they'll just do anything Aida says and they're happy to kill their own friends like why should I care that's a little difficult to sympathize yeah but they turn on a dime though I mean the woman in the previous episode is like yeah stay will live oh no maybe we're dicks we should go and join them anyway so I guess that they're different from the orcs in the sense that there is at least the question of the vision that comes into it but I don't know man how long did they think about it when they were offered the chance they just leave the watch tower immediately they're like let's do it let's go join the orcs all right yeah this is a valid strategy does it even matter like if someone's trying to kill you and they're being forced you're still going to defend yourself exactly and so you're morally justified in either situation yeah it's just you feel sad about it because it's almost like the tragic element is I wish I didn't have to kill you that's I think what the show is going for it just it just doesn't hit me just like oh it absolutely doesn't hit none of the components are in place to get me to sympathize they then have their shaku moment you guys remember shaku from two towers a little tumble off the cliff yeah we're he's the last orc who's bleeding and then he gets to tell us a little bit more about what happened to Aragorn to let the characters know but this this this orc here says what wait what does this orc say actually I don't remember said that you all are very smelly people and I'm an orc yeah it was the greatest insult to be called smelly by an orc it was I know he ends before he finishes the last word it is this literally just you're all going to I'm like what did he mean what could he possibly do going to what tell me you bastard join our book clip apparently it's cause they had to pay the next week we're reading weathering heights yeah they had to pay the toll with something he said okay so I guess he's referring to the whole blood bond thing they have to they got to kill you guys to join us just like oh my god stop telling me this it makes me think they're horrible the fifth time is that what he meant I assume so yeah oh cause I so they're in they're not in but they're in you know like wall drag he had to kill a guy right there but the others apparently are all suited up and ready to go imagine being an orc where you're like ah you know you can't join us just like that and they're like well you got to kill when you're friends do okay so I'm going to join the other orcs in attacking the village functionally I'm just a part of you guys officially no is that the only reason Baldrick wasn't sent back with them is that he's already done I think so yeah that was that was proof to Adar that he's a loyal I think the other that means that his idea but wall drag was given when the surely so he was so Adar wasn't reserving wall drag at this point to go and stick the thing in the thingy no he was but he'd already proven his loyalty when the tower falls there's a moment where he runs up to Adar and he could have just run off and he says no you need to get out of here you need to get out of here so I think that was proving extra loyalty as the blood thing because he's proven himself he's already paid the toll as the orcs just established so he can then be held back he doesn't need to pay it again by being sent into the village which is just very convenient because of course they need him to do the evil thing later and so they get my they get flanked from all the other orcs and they start getting hit with arrows and I was just like yeah of course this is what I mean when I when was the last time we watched like a battle that was good well I had the fellowship and they could have done this at any time though that doesn't count what was the suggestion what he was watching fellowship of the ring oh that definitely does I'm saying new stuff new stuff down because man I'm so bored of all these like it made me just it just reminds me of Game of Thrones season 8 and I was like oh god since then has there been like has there been a thing where we can watch it and go that's not shit Northman is probably one yeah I still need to see that that was my bed I have to see that as well like you'd be you'd be neat to have like a full on practical defense of a thing and a good oh yeah with stakes and you could you tell how the battle's going by the way that they execute the plan and where they go and stuff like that there goes Homer just telling you guys a hero we've lost a hero today the village is lesser for his loss two arrows in the back to they had that that's what they had to that's what it would take to kill Homer you had to shoot him in the back he would have he would have fucked them all up he would have he would have stabbed them one he would have made shish kebabs out of them all and so a whole bunch of arrows are coming in and I'll admit the show does something pretty cool here it uh it has a lady get hit with an arrow and I was like ooh yes this is cool right up until the moment well I was gonna say they've done this decent amount of times with the main characters like there's a good reason that they'll get killed and then they don't and it's like can you excuse me why would you be two arrows as well when it gets hit by one or they forget about one oh does she yeah there's a first one like when she collapses to the floor there's an audio cue of a first hour see there you go that's the first one she gets hit by a second when she's down there you go that's the second one that doesn't even look like her shoulder too that looks and they only pull one arrow out of her yeah you're right she totally looks like she gets shot by two yeah there's the audio cue of the first arrow did it miss is that the implication and she's got spooked by an arrow no because she reacts to it she collapses to the ground and then she gets hit again I think they literally just forgot or realized we can't quarterize her all over the body there was a miscommunication between the arrow CGI people and the actors yeah the arrow comes in and she's like ahhh she definitely reacts to it I can't even tell where that hit her I don't even know and then the second one is in her shoulder so Homer gets hit by two arrows wiped out she gets hit by two arrows and saved what's what's the deal what's the joke here I don't understand they didn't own up seeds for him ahhh that's what it was yeah right because she's going to make a garden or whatever so she has the the god of growth looking after her or something that's what he said ahhh oh there they all they'll go in to the keep bit there's one thing I thought was kind of funny here um if you can see here as they're heading in you see this guy on the furthest left here there's this guy behind him who's like struggling he's got an arrow in him but you know help him out and he's like okay you know what I will I think he even tosses his weapon to do it he's like I'm gonna help you up here I go well buddy you can make it but then that very guy gets uh unfortunately hit by an arrow ooh so he loses his footing down he goes you know the guy he helped up it's just like uh okay bye I guess I guess you're done just abandoned him you know the I don't want to end up like him no that's uh that's what that was I don't know the way that looks is so funny so uh yeah they're in the they're in the keep I'm out here from it um Yorkshire surrounding and I just uh I just don't see how this is kind of working for a split second and the uh the obvious payoff you'd expect is like well I guess historians are gonna come in just before everything goes to shit and man they've got a huge window of time before that's gonna happen uh uh when I say they I mean ADAR and his orcs so they've got to waste a shit ton of time and by gum do they waste a lot of time uh because the orcs are surrounded our time waste our time they've surrounded the place okay it's done so we've lost but we still have time for a whole quarterization scene that has loads of like gaps and delays I don't know what is everyone else doing yeah there's even a point where uh the whole place goes silent to watch them trying to save her life or whether or not she's gonna make it as if nobody else has been hit with arrows she's very important as in yeah exactly in that at all she's a main character so everybody cares what's going on with her so then we get this really great comedy bit this lady opens up a little window here she's like what's going on and then the orc just runs past the door closes again it's a they jump scare you with this shit and it's just like was the orc waiting there peeking he was like someone's gonna open it any second now oh my god I never understand that oh my god there are orcs outside whoa everybody be careful never seen this um yeah we realize the homo passes in this definitively and then we're worried that she might too and it's like yeah of course she totally well worried she might worried she might live I was watching this with my dad the first time and because she seems to die and there's a nice sort of little pause when you think oh my god she's actually dead and my dad said that's the first thing the show's done that's I kind of enjoyed they had the courage to kill her off slight pause over fuck's sake oh no no you you worked so hard for that and now it's been ruined in a good show this would have been in pet assuming that all of these characters were good and she died in defense of her village which is not unreasonable because she's just a peasant yeah and you know we would be legitimately sorrowful because she's a character and she has a relationship with another character and they're like oh that's sad you know I hope that he's going to take it well but that would be a different show in an alternate universe where we care about characters and the relationships they've presented to us yeah and hell her son's in the room as well you could have actually killed her off you could have forced her son and elf guy closer together as a result of that that would have been cool as long as you can do with that especially if the son was like a like a super racist against elves yeah and it kind of forces him together that's the first step to bringing those two you know towards one another and they're both kind of prejudiced against each other but they learn to drop it you know because they already they did the setup when the son is kind of distrustful of the elf you know he complains that he spent all of his time watching the humans cut the redraw in the last episode and then so they're sort of doing that but they're taking the least emotionally impactful way of doing that like and the least believable one and the least meaningful one as well but if you yeah like shared trauma like this would have been so much more in such less time or so little time by comparison but again as you said that would be a different show and unfortunately we don't have that one we ain't got time for drama yeah and it's only once the quarterization scenes complete and we know that she is going to make it who that they we then cut back to the orcs who are now picking up the battering ram and starting to use it what have you been doing this whole time guys dramatic sad moment and then of course they are actually making progress the door is coming down and no one is prepared with spears or anything they're just like well that sucks yes this is it when Helms deep when they had to fall back they got the door and they barricaded it up and they had people there pressed back against it it felt very desperate remember when they didn't got hit with a the spear they were putting in then he helped direct one coming back to fuck up that orci absolutely they didn't have absolute Chad only Chad and this is unfortunately he Chad had a heroic death Homer's no longer with us out of characters you know hanging out with them a lot he deserves yeah he deserves a better people he should have written his cow into battle at panel fields it's just squirting chocolate everywhere is it like he slides down the chocolate stream to really build up speed just crash into loads of okay legendary yeah the music don't you fret everybody look it's the new minorians they've landed now they're charging over here here well not quite a lot I'm so confused white yet we see in this which gives you a real good strong understanding of just how much was on those three ships by the way man no way how long would it have taken them to crane all of those horses off oh god could you imagine the the absolute like the guy who's operating that crane is probably just like I don't I don't know guys this this seems crazy I'm gonna be honest with you we should set up a different horse crane or the the camera crane oh both the minute I don't feel see was just fucking up there flash frames you don't often ever see that in anything TV show or film related like like editing fuck ups the point of them accidentally leaving in really really bad frames you get some stuff like the Zack's night a dead pixel thing or um all deliberate frame in in fight club but that's right really ever because because we've doing this for a while you don't really see the screwed up fuckery directing thing like that maybe they actually watching what was that we were watching we're one of the your mind yeah anyway they're on the way like we're one of the cameras is just blurry for some reason and then it goes back to being clear oh was that that woman that did that a lot or you don't know it was not Thor you say Thor I think I said Thor no I know what it was but it's part of our tremors was it tremor or was it uh was it Friday the 13th yeah it was that you got a nightmare on Elm Street I think maybe oh it could have been nightmare on Elm Street that's true listen we watch films and secrets sometimes okay everybody yeah she's looking great on this horse by the way I got big old I'm sitting on the toilet vibes and I'm concentrating pretty hard I will say I'm I'm like so it's like the sun is rising behind them or setting behind them as they're galloping across the field when is the what is the timeline here where are they I know I'm a fool foolish fool that you are is the guy at the right point slouching he looks like he's slouching he's just like he's leaning back a little bit he's not actually the horse man oh shit I'm on screen damn it ugh and see there are people out there I believe this there are people out there who saw this and they got really excited I was just like oh what nonsense bullshit man like this is so impossible how could this possibly have taken place we supposed to think they kept on this feed for a full day to travel the distance that they needed just saying that yeah like all this time playing total war games and the thing you learn is that you don't set your units sprinting for miles before you actually hit your opposition because your horse will be knackered by the time you get there so are they going at full speed for days and I mean to be fair are supposed to be much stronger and faster but even so I think they didn't have their limits they didn't tell us that either oh sorry as well they decided to get the kid to cauterize the other end of who wound and he's like it's his mum he's terrified and he's young like why the fuck are you getting him to do it let an adult do it please he drops that thing Jesus oh yeah I don't know it's all it's all absurd but we're finally getting there they break in all these people here and all these weapons and they just they ain't using any of them they just break in okay yeah we're at the wits end now and everyone's like arrested it's all over and Adar's walking in and you believe it what's gonna happen what is the conclusion here I don't know there's really anything can happen that's where we're at now yes anything can happen for any reason which is just the stakes killer oh yeah did you enjoy by the way that out of everybody in that little horse army everyone's wearing helmets except Hallbrand and Galadriel they don't need it they're main characters when you you know like in a police show or something where the police are doing a little they're gonna go and raid a place everybody else is wearing full body armor they got rifles but the main characters just have a vest and pistols this is the medieval version of that if you're a main character you can't wear a helmet because we gotta see your face you can't emote with a helmet on it's the same thinking that in the helmet Galadriel I think have their helmets on but they get taken off like straight away in the fight that's another thing they do yeah of course because they're main characters we gotta see their face we gotta be able to distinguish them couldn't have them wear like I don't know like something on their armor to distinguish them or alternatively just shoot it in a way that we can see their face yeah I mean helmets don't have to necessarily cover up the face much I mean the numerator in helmets you could clearly tell who's who in the helmet is big open well I mean some medieval helmets the point is you can see their faces yeah not every helmet is a full helmet I don't know there's something about it that bugs me like that choice that we gotta always take the helmet off I like a lot of helmets and masks and things that they can be really cool and it's always like well no but we gotta see their face cause that's like something that they got taught or something in like a film class do you think that's them or the actors they have to wear helmets could be in the contract you might have a point there right like I wouldn't surprise me at this point if there is like some agreements that are in place where it's like well there's a certain amount of I'm pretty sure that was the reason why in the Halo show right because the actor or maybe it was part of their contract is like well we gotta see their face and if that's the reason that's really lame isn't it that is lame makes you appreciate Carl Urban his dread hell yeah I actually appreciate a lot of like I don't know it's kind of funny right because you could have had Steve Downs there's a total tension you could have had Steve Downs play Master Chief again could have just had some guy in the armor and then just have him do the voice yeah same with Mario you could have well Mario has got a mask you could have someone else wear the mask and then he has to have the mask on you could have Chris Pratt dress up as Mario but you keep Charles Martin A of course yeah I'm not looking forward to that movie that'd be hilarious if they overdone Chris Pratt with his voice release in the trailer in a few days go to the forest I'm not excited at all I'm not excited yeah but I can tell me it's all okay the animals don't have to worry about being disappointed by Mario no they've already been let down by him because it's Sonic who has to save them not Mario he doesn't care about saving animals he wears their skin he does true ever the Italian so Adar is like give me my hilt and then Elfman's like um only if you let us go and then again this is one of those tiny things I actually like where I was just like fuck you man after everything we've just gone through really no I'm just gonna start killing people give me the things it's like yeah that's probably very fair and then he kills some people to be like I'm a threatening person and then Elfman says why kill people for such a small thing or something like that which uh isn't Elfman the one that explained it's gonna turn him into a god yeah like he knows it's important right I thought he understood how important this thing was so just like yeah of course he cares a lot about this thing I think when he's um when he's captured by the orcs in episode 2 is it I think it is or 3 which everyone it is and you know the first conversation he has with the warden guy is that the orcs have been ransacking villages looking for a weapon and then you know he gradually understands that that is what the weapon is and then he recognizes it has a connection with the strategy thing all the people in this room the person who has probably the most understanding of what the sword is is probably Don Lemon hmm well people keep getting stabbed so he's gonna have to act you know it's getting bad they're all secondary back around characters no main characters yet what was funny is that they'll be fine most of them are just getting stabbed nobody's twisting or gutting they're just stabbing no and they didn't take the Galadriel class of 101 fighting people and yeah so then something confusing happens and I don't know if it's like just are we unaware of something or something because ladies is threatened and so Elfman's like oh jeez oh no oh god and then Theo is like I know where it is and I shall give it to you and then it was like why does he know where it is the unsexiest four play ever when he was talking to Bronwyn about it and said I'm gonna go hide it as he walks off the camera changes focus onto the kids who's just like poking rocks or something and that's your hint that he was watching him oh nice job Elfman nice because you know the whole point is like hide it in a way to the world or whatever I mean he literally hides it he hides it in the one place that he knows the orcs are about to attack because that's where they're gonna be they decided after he'd hidden it there that they would make that building the keep so you think you'd move it or hide it somewhere else just dig a hole dig a hole throw it in the deep deep lake do something take a guy with a horse go to the ocean it can't be that far away the fucking Numenorians on their way absolutely painful and yeah nice job man because you understand the fate of the world is tied to this thing and he's just like well I got it now it's like nice good job could today get any worse well I think everyone's days get worse when Galadriel shows up that's true just having a beer around her the smug aura she exudes and then the moment that guy gets the sword he must know they're all dead because he's got exactly what he wanted so you'd assume his next move with him being evil would be to kill all of you so you would immediately start fighting because you're dead anyway at that point but no one does anything no and it's interesting because there's no kill order until much later but nothing like the only thing that changes I guess is the Numenorians invade but at the same time it's just like why were you intending to leave them alive what's I don't understand it's really weird oh this is another thing that happened that's so fucking weird everyone can hear that the Numenorians are arriving it's really loud it's rumbling the earth and like nobody's it's like a Tyrannosaurus rex you got Waldrick who's like look at that they're on their way and all the other guys are just like did nobody hear what was just in the soundtrack I thought that were they just trying to tell us that this is like literally Godzilla on the right just the audience alright then yeah you got Waldrick was real near Aida there and Aida was holding the little hill maybe that's a thing to flag up for later we'll finally be able to talk about but yes here come the Numenorians yeah isn't it crazy you guys probably thought when you were watching the last episode that for like Elfman and Galadriel to fight together would probably be something that may happen even in next season not literally the fucking next episode they had a conversation in the workshop I just can't believe it like uh this show might have the worst pacing in history it goes from incredibly snail-paced slow to like hyper-fast in terms of this is like the one episode with loads of important things just happen one by one by one by one by one by one just like oh and yeah with the sound of that they announced let's kill everybody now in the tavern and the two orcs that have a tide of Elfman just they can't kill him you just can't you just can't do it he's got this aura about him I can't nothing works and there was a dude who had a knife to Theo's neck and he he's somehow now not able to kill him oh I mean if you could win this fight now why didn't you just initiate the fight earlier why did you wait for them to start stabbing you yeah why were they stabbing when the orcs were breaking in you all suck I'll have to keep track of like how anything has they even pretend to have stakes in this all but uh here they come they even crossed the little bridge good thing they didn't blow up the little bridge with wine you know otherwise the new minorians wouldn't have been able to go across it I knew that they were coming so you know exactly and you see so many more cavalry enter this fight than ever actually partake in the fight and that person there was like hundreds on that one screen no look at all these yeah and then when the fight actually starts it's like 20 maybe like 20 or 30 people at most the unending line of course is about this chain I mean that's a huge number that's another thing the orcs like I never know how many they were I never know and I don't know how many there are now and I don't know how many need to kill right now there's no sense of like scale for any of it sort of have action happen we had the really cool moment coming up soon where they they hit a bunch of them with a chain you guys remember that was pretty legendary yeah go but yeah we got some style points coming in here for a lot of characters because this was the this was the masterpiece scene right for a lot of people they were so proud of this they put it in the trailers this bit which is an interesting choice because like fuck me episode 6 and it's a it's a big old twist or thing for I mean for people who are invested in this story I guess they actually consider this to be something of a wonderful thing but this happens in terms of just like oh what a great payoff yeah this whole chain thing is weird this is the thing this is what it's all been building up to you know like this scene where all of our characters come together and are those chains are they attached to the horses because there's no way if you're just holding the chain in your hand you can get dragged off yeah or you can just drop the chain that's because the orcs aren't fighting with their feet oh the orcs were fighting with their feet they didn't plan their routes they listened to Galadriel and look what happened they were yeah they had the stability buff they were unaffected by crowd control skills and effects yeah man imagine being Elfman you'd be like fuck I'm lucky incredible it's what even is going to happen at episode 7 at 8 that in terms of just like is it all settling down accepting reality sort of things I guess it is 2 hours possibly more so 7 will be like the discovery of Galadriel like one of the the corpses in Pompeii and then she'll be braked out of the rug someone will cast a spell on it she comes out of it yeah like she's been deep fried but she breaks out of it we're going to join up the half foot storyline to these guys before this season ends I don't think so I think they'll be there on their own little separate thing I mean because like this happens so fast that I wouldn't keep anything off the table now in terms of what they could just randomly do maybe Durin will fight with Galadriel and Nori against Adar next episode you're right I have no fucking clue sweet we finally got this moment so if you guys didn't know Galadriel is pretty damn cool I would even go as far as saying I never picked that up well get ready for some proof you saw the arrow was getting ready to hit her it was fired and she does this oh my god and she only had to do that it's like it's pasta now she could just get back on the horse but no this is this is actually what they teach you in horse school they say this is the best way to decapitate a person and you might be like what she is miles away from him boom off goes his head look at that distance it's just like what was that absolutely not in range and yeah yo it shows what are the dudes it's the lieutenant and he's like as soon as he enters the battle he falls off his horse it's like he dives off I wish I didn't get that promotion well it's funny because I'm pretty sure him, Alendil and Asildur all come off their horses in this fight don't they I think they need to knock at least one of them off because they need to give Adar one later and he didn't bring one with him so it's kind of necessary because he has to steal something oh yeah well I guess I'm just pointing out that he's back flipping all over a horse and stuff while the rest of these guys are just like whoa look it's like I'm going to tackle you you specifically to the ground it's worth it I don't need a horse and also his helmet comes off because now we can recognize who this character is yay I mean that's got to hurt falling off a horse like that yeah well done leaving off the horse it's like a rugby tackle from altitude well at this point I was really realizing I was like fuck these guys haven't seen warfare at all in their entire lives right these guys particular because they're all young and as far as we know this is their first battle and they've gone from being like war was established as a thing like a couple days ago and now they're like in the actually fighting for their lives right now in the thick of it I think I said to you guys there's so much story here to tell and they don't tell it like imagine the experiences for all these guys yeah war actually I know we try to make Galadriel super cool and amazing actually this is a rough experience for some people who haven't gotten trained look at that blood it looks so bad yeah I was about to point that out it just like spurts out of them it's like that's not what would happen I don't think you would just spur it out of you like a fountain he did twist though maybe and then got so oh my god he's learned his lesson oh okay well in that case that makes sense this seemed like to me as well they really want to it reminds me of the blood coming out of the dude's eye where she's like just like the CG department really enjoying the time with this more blood all right whatever I thought he was very deliberate by the way the stab twist good good on Galadriel for making sure our guys know how to kill we picked up like an orc weapon he does not even use in his own sidearm I guess he lost it I guess or something get off that horse you should resist that more being pulled off your horse yeah you'd want to stay on the horse actually that's the one of those big realizations most people don't realize actually you bring in a horse some people want to jump off them immediately it's an interesting choice like this guy had recommended against it I love how that guy's getting blocked and he just keeps doing the same move over and over like you could just stab him you couldn't block it from that position it's just that to me it's just like look fighting is happening isn't this war amazing I'm pretty sure it's already like half over um yeah this guy who's like terrified and sort of weasely as we've been characterized at this point um we get a conversation after this fight where he's just like war's not my thing I'm good I'm going to stay here oh I'm sorry man you signed up man we still got a war it's not done like that that was one skirmish literally volunteered I don't know I sympathize but we we actually have to keep fighting it's not over when you see the volcano erupt he's like I'm not into this this is not me I don't want to fight a volcano I didn't sign up for a volcano like well that is technically true yeah um oh yeah there's this moment where so he is a member of the queen's guard then is yield or and then she signals to him you can go play if you want is that what this is um yes I think you meant to think he's like being impetuous and he's like wants to gallop off and she notices and so lets him go because he breaks rank because I couldn't tell if it was that he'd been given permission or if he's just fucking off oh no she definitely nods at him for him to go but I think the first bit is meant to be him like he just can't just keep in position because he's so desperate to go and fight I think they might have just been incompetent I think what he was supposed to be looking at was his dad struggling but they show us his dad struggling after he seems to make that decision it was like continuity just feels off but uh yeah Elendil is getting tackled by like three orcs at once at one moment and none of them decide to do anything permanent to him let's just put it that way they're just they're weaponless and they're just there to grab him which we've seen before with orcs you know they just grab him is he just holding the horse? yeah he's trying to keep the horse steady that's good I guess it'll make it easier for his friends if he keeps the horse still so they can work on pulling the guy off that's very thoughtful I expect this kind of thoughtfulness from Adar but from the rest you know I guess I'm surprised so yeah we got this epic moment of Elendil could be dead who knows what's gonna happen and uh he does get saved and you'd all have expected it to be a seal though wouldn't you but it was hull brand oh I think it's a little paper cut I don't really know what to make of it like in terms of what do they want us to conclude from it it's just I guess overall that he's still thinking about whether or not he's a good guy is that what this whole thing is I've got no fucking clue I don't even think he's thinking about being a bad person at this point as far as I know Elendil is dealing with four orcs at once by the way the problem is and the show's gonna have this problem going forward is that so many of its main characters cannot die Elendil can't die Isildur can't die Gladriel can't die a couple of the new creations can die but none of these other people can so if they're gonna keep wasting time by trying to you know it's the solo problem when they try and make it seem like he's about to fall off the train or Chewie's about to fall off the train and you know that they're not gonna is there even any point trying to tease that prospect we know it's not going to happen yeah the conclusions on stuff like that are like on one hand avoid being incompetent enough to put him in positions where they should die and we know that they can't because of not just that but also just because you but Elendil say yeah why try and create action scenes based around characters being put in peril that are absolutely safe as opposed to the ones that aren't safe and then using the safe ones to you know do the saving yeah they're intentionally reacting to those potential tragedies or working to prevent them or just show like Elendil just show him as being really competent as a fighter so I don't have to worry about him constantly getting swallowed by orcs all the time I'll be like oh Elendil's a really good warrior I don't have to worry about him too much they're so proud of the new characters the new characters the ones they pitched and all the interviews the most like they're kind of babies if anything they probably care least about the original ones if they can't kill them all but I bet if they have to sacrifice any of them first the ones they'd want to choose they'd be like can we kill Frodo yeah we've inserted a little fake Frodo Frodo knows one oh oh okay I remember Frodo Frodo Frodo no oh why Frodo oh why oh Luigi this ring is such a burden to carry oh mama mia what is this weapon he's throwing here it's a spear I think it is a spear oh it's like a stick with a it's a fucky spear like it's like the one from earlier it might be the same prop it looks like the one from earlier yeah she did the exact same fucking move again so cool um but yeah she actually needs to do that if she just lent sideways yep that would solve a problem but it doesn't look as cool no but she does it so these people can more look on oh she's so amazing who is that um so we uh yeah Galadriel met up with little mr. Elfman and she was like where's the leader I just want to kill the fucking leader and he's like oh he's over there don't let him escape with the thing that he's hanging on to there and uh just him saying anything else it's not impossible he didn't say anything else but I was just like why didn't you tell her that literally the fate of the world is in the hands of him having that object just saying like don't let him escape with it it's like it doesn't really encompass the issue does it yeah we need to be we need to be working harder to convey this information and we get we've had so many logistical issues at this show but this one is pretty fucking great what did they just show us it was Adiles run off into the forest Galadriel's following him and then Hallbrand spots this happening and he is let's just say they are moving away from him and they've got quite a head start that's what we see then he's like I'm gonna get involved too grabs a spear and starts heading towards presumably where they are um they start up their horse chase and it looks pretty straight it doesn't look like they're going in some big half circle or something um and uh then we have this shot happen with somehow Hallbrand has gotten in front of them was anyone else baffled by this you're gonna be honest I think your guess is gonna be as good as mine because that don't make no fucking sense how do you try to catch up with someone and then get ahead of them I feel like we've missed seeds he fast traveled I don't see how you could work at all because the guy would be escaping at what point would he go in a direction that would put him on the path of somebody who was from the battle you know like how do you get cut off by somebody who was from the battle unless you turned around I don't think there's no way logically you'd have him moving not only just away from the battle but probably away from the keyhole as well because he wants to buy time for the guy who at this point is running over there so he would avoid turning at any point because he wants to get as much distance as he can the reality is the possibilities that have to be eliminated is that Hallbrand's horse is just way faster that's stupid so much faster like double the speed on a special white horse could catch up I just don't understand this is too much for me they've failed with logistics all the time but this one just seems so simple and straightforward that you couldn't have made this mistake they must have known when they made it they were like yeah this is dumb but whatever but who cares where are we spending 50 million dollars an episode yeah they needed Hallbrand to reach him first so that they could have the conversation see because the only other thing would be gradual reaching him first and then they couldn't have had that conversation so the story needed him to reach him like I find it because during the exchange that plays out afterward like she's right there but she just kind of doesn't like say anything or do anything she's right off at this point look at this where are you going where are you going how did they put this up she's just going off in her own direction what the hell how do you fuck that up why she was just not there for like a 30 second spell so that these two could have their little conversation and look at the way that her body language she's darting forward she's not like I'll go around to the side to see how this plays out that's a whole gallop that looks like just galloping away why are you fucking this stuff up yeah they have this very specific shot to be like the horse is okay he's okay he's fine don't worry about him that definitely felt like a shot to let us know that he's okay which I appreciate I've never tried this before but so Halbrand is hanging off of his saddle and he's holding a spear in one hand and he puts it flat and the horse runs it he has enough wrist strength he has no leverage at this point he hung a horse to trip the horse over but he hasn't lost his arm and the spear hasn't snapped and the horse actually did fall over yeah he's extended the arm out fully he's holding the spear at the end like I'm surprised the horse's legs weren't strong enough to just bash the spear away because this is there's such little strength holding that spear there no it worked perfectly we saw earlier a horse run through a wooden fence you know no I'm with you he does it in such a way that's just like I'm not sure about that yeah they have a little chat Halbrand is in a position where you can kill Adon he's like do you remember me and Adon literally just goes oh alright I've always found out he doesn't get anything the second they had an endgame Thanos say I don't even know who you are I was like how do you not know that that's funny like it's just amusing it is funny yeah and fuck me this is so annoying he's like I really want to fucking kill this guy and then glad you're like one does not satisfy thirst by drinking seawater terrible why would why shut the fuck up Jesus oh god we said it twice what like it's so crap so so yeah it's like revenge isn't really what you're after like seawater isn't really water yeah that my best guess would be that what you what you think you're getting here is tainted but like I don't really see how that quite follows here because what you're saying is this is not what you want like at all completely I mean there are but simultaneously she should just be arguing we need to we need to interrogate him actual practical reasons to keep him alive what does he know yeah say that you're gonna be like seawater Halbrad remember the seawater remember the seawater analogy why does the stone sink stones they look down Halbrad they look down they look down don't look down like the stones can you just tell me what to do please speak english Jesus does it take you longer to come up with these analogies and it would be to just tell me what the lesson is yeah this kind of annoys me we have this like moment of us three us friends we did it we made it through this fight one of us has come out of it not really wanting the fight the other you know proving his zeal and that he he's you know we are we're joining the queen's expedition to find the orcs who have ran off it's like oh great cool it's like fuck you show you haven't earned this at all these guys have spent barely any time together as far as I know they hate each other yeah or should we'll get any fucking info on that at all anyway it's time for the interrogation Galadriel is going to talk to Adar figure out what the hell is going on here and uh not yeah it's she gets to be the one doing the talking I guess yeah you would have thought the queen region would be present yeah maybe not maybe the queen is just like you do it Galadriel I trust you for some reason I trust you in every way shape and form yeah we're not going to have a lindel here or my soldiers I mean we're not going to have any guards that would be ridiculous and something quite amazing happens that to be honest with you yeah it's in character at this point Galadriel is like where is Sauron? and Adar does a sort of like you know like a non-answer and then she goes hmm perhaps we should put some orcs in the sunlight like wow just forgery your prisoners of war geez it's built on one after that because isn't this after the point of which they've had the conversation about whether the orcs were slaves and she's acknowledged that the orcs were slaves and I think she even used that against them at one point so she's not just advocating torturing prisoners of war she's advocating torturing slaves who had no choice but to be in that war it's not it's not the most sort of pleasant suggestion to have come out of her mouth it reminds me of Thor Love and Thunder where you've got this character who hates the person there they're against right now so Gore hates Thor and he's like I hate you because you're a god and gods suck, gods don't care about their people however in order to kill you and take your weapon I'm going to bait you by hurting your own people because you'll care about that it's like oh I feel like you fucked something up there this is a scene where we have the hero trying to get information out of the villain and he's going to do it by making him feel bad about his people being tortured I just, I feel like we've crossed a wire at some point something's going on that's not quite right Gladriel are we the baddies this is definitely a we the baddies moment uh but yeah I guess with that one he does submit that he's like okay Jesus it's fine Sarum wants to heal the world and craft a power not of the flesh but over flash a power unseen he bid as many people as possible follow him north try as he might something was missing a shadow of dark knowledge kept itself hidden even from him no matter how much blood was spilled in its pursuit this is a little gobbledygook to me I don't know if anyone is grabbing stuff from it I'm kind of about spells and rituals shadows, unseen worlds blood darkness researching the ring of the flesh not of the flesh but to control the flesh and I think that's like in the first episode when they discover those orcs and walls and stuff it's what they're referring to and I think it is I guess I'll just have to wait for things to sort of settle out I don't know what's really being set up here I just whatever but something funny happens she says okay okay whatever where is Sarum I killed him I split him in two after he he says like I sacrificed enough children for his aspirations I killed him and she just goes I don't believe you he goes ah you don't believe an orc did it where your obby couldn't he's like well no they've never had the chance to kill Sarum have she even met Sarum? I don't think she ever actually we've been looking for him we say couldn't it's like well we've never even we barely even know if he's actually around I guess the fight at the beginning so one when they first arrive is I think by implication it's against Sarum because of course Sarum had to kill her brother so there is oh no she wasn't but I mean he's saying it depends who he's referring to when he says where your armies couldn't I mean if he's talking about the elves I thought he meant here like a group of elves who were doing whatever but maybe you're right and it's an entirely different situation like to actually attack someone's army with your army win and then kill them compared to him he might have just stabbed him in his sleep or something you're right they may not have even been impressive at all they won the orc the elves won Sarum went into hiding, Morgoth was defeated you can't really say like ah you couldn't do it it's like well no Sarum ran off if you can tell us where he is I'll finish the job that's like a whole point yeah I don't know this is this holy split him open entwain there's another weird sort of outgrowth from this which again I don't think they'll ever really explore but like so we're led to believe that Adar is he's not purely villainous because he attacks by his own account anyway and killed Sarum because he was sick of sacrificing his brothers from the orcs that is so Adar is not a villain he actually all he wants is a land of his own people why then are his orcs portrayed as being and his actions in commanding them as being massively evil for the sake of it but would it not have made more sense for him to make peace with the men of that land and to work together to build this new world because his antipathy isn't toward the men whom he was fighting in the last war or allies of those who was fighting in the last war there's no I'm sort of struggling to see why everyone we're on the same team and you don't know it yeah or at least there's no reason for them not to be well except the fact that he wants to explode a volcano which will destroy their entire area well there is that slightly inconvenient fact but I mean there's no reason that the men can't be encouraged to move or to take part I mean hell half the men went and joined him earlier anyway the men were on the site on these people's side up until this point in the previous war anyway there could have been a work around for that and even then he could have used them to get what he wanted and then sacrifice them afterwards I mean it's just they're portraying the orcs as being as evil and bad and uncomplicatedly so as Sauron's orcs were but actually the motives of their leader are much more ambiguous than that no yeah I think it's that it's not that he deliberately wants all of the humans to die he just doesn't care if they do so we'll use them for his own ends like send them in in the first wave of a fight and stuff but it's not that he intentionally wants them he just if they die they die and he only cares about the orcs but if he'd been even superficially nice into the humans until this point he might have actually had a much easier job of finding the sword seems that way we're actually getting very close to all that now I cannot remember if it was yesterday or when we watched it Mahler when I asked does this show want us is it a goal of this show to have us sympathize with Adar I think so at least that think of them as gray I don't know he seems like overall couldn't like he seems very evil trying to blow out the sun I don't know if this is the idea behind the character or if this is just the confusion that comes alongside bad writing where you can't really tell what it is the writers want you to feel about something they've written I think it is sort of the idea because they big up his elvenness quite often in there so he speaks elvish he still looks like an elf at the beginning of this episode I think as you see him planting the seeds and that of course links later on when we learn what the point of that is the orcs as we know and Galadriel actually pinches almost word for word Saruman's line when they're talking about how the orcs came into being elves once taken by the dark powers tortured and mutilated a ruined and hideous form of life Galadriel swaps a couple of words around from that but she basically uses the same shtick but because they're portraying him as the first of the fallen elves essentially and they are showing him turning against the brute force evil of Sauron because he still has a familial kinship with the orcs who are also fallen elves and I'm not supposed to read that as tragic fallen hero as opposed to mere villain I think they do intend that but they don't necessarily deliver it very well but I think that was the plan well when she threatened to torture his men to get him to reveal the information I was getting conflicted because I was just like damn so bad for him kind of I think you meant like putting Galadriel as that bad person is meant to make him look better relatively and he also bigs up the whole idea of well we just we're just trying to survive we're coming over between what we can in a land where everyone hates us and would try and kill us so there's definitely sympathetic roots there trying to lay they just exhumed that idea in the most horrific way possible because I can't feel sympathy for you if you just want a homeland for your people first off where were you before where'd you come from why why was that not sufficient the place where you were at hiding from everyone can you not be there alright I guess if you can't does it have to be here in the south lands why here's in particular is it literally just a dormant volcano that you need and wasn't that Sauron's plan anyway so are you are you borrowing from his idea to make a world for your own people or are you actually fulfilling his ambitions knowingly or where does where does he stand in relation to the the whole reason they've come here to begin with what it seems like Sauron's plan was he made the key to make all the volcanic stuff happen and then just rather than do the last bit which was digging the ditch decided to leave and take all of the orcs up north into this snowy area and start working on his whole ring idea so maybe that was an unfinished plan of his that he never really put into action because he wanted to discover that kind of magic first and I'm assuming where they came from is from where Galadriel was at the start that whole base up in this snow so anyway she threatens to kill everybody in his bloodline as you do it was a bit awkward she goes on this big old rant she's one of the edgiest people ever she talks about for a while just how much I can't wait to fucking kill you make you suffer make everyone you love suffer just you know standard stuff like that and uh I always thought it was weird because this comes after him basically arguing like orcs kind of just want their own land which is quite an interesting thing to say because you might be inclined to be like oh well can we work with them a little bit and it's like just highlight the fact that the orcs keep killing everyone and destroying everything just say that to Adar you seem to be evil all the time you seem to do evil shit all the time what's that about and Adar could be like oh you know we do it because you guys deserve it or fucking whatever just get something out of him but instead who responds to him saying like the orcs would like their own land is I'm gonna fucking kill all of you like okay she can't even keep that consistent because so she saves his life in the first place because she wants to interrogate him and then he pisses her off so she says well I'm gonna keep you alive and make you watch as all of your bloodline dies and then she pivots again to say well I'm gonna kill you first and I would like her to pick one and maybe follow that one through yeah she does actually like almost cut his throat as well well she does cut but you know I slit it fully um yeah I vow to eradicate every last one of you it's like alright buddy it's funny as well because Adar he's just gotta chill this whole city just like yeah I guess it's because we know that he knows he's already won what a villain what a great villain he's gotta be pretty worried here expecting like for the boom to happen at any point and it still hasn't gone off oh yeah that would be really tense it's like oh what if that fucking old mad tripped on like a little bit of mud or something dead someone what if the soldiers found him what if something yeah this is obviously the scene where they kiss sorry this image just looks like it okay I was kidding I realized just as I said that I was like oh god this people in chat would be like wait really it's like no no no no hmm I know the show's bad it's not that bad give him a season yeah so yeah she's she's told like by whole brand hey don't you do that and uh yeah and yeah so it's like well gosh darn this whole scene is we just find out that this guy Adah he's definitely not Sauron who could it be and whole brand is like I really like I'm getting them vibes you know at this point I'm 99.836 sure that he is Sauron you know there's still a chance but he's not and then they get their scene which is pretty cringy they both talk about how they've never felt more at peace than when they were killing things side by side or something the blood first yeah I don't even know what to make of that I'm just like oh that's great you guys hope you're doing okay I guess in your heads you know I hope this is all therapy for you for annihilating people and then I was thinking to myself this fight wasn't too difficult it was it was still you know it's not exactly like a tutorial level but it's something that they kind of did pretty quickly first level easy and that presents them a little bit of an issue I think because the queen region was selling that this war was it was essentially an existential threat like the southlands were going to get overtaken by this horrible darkness let's be honest it was a couple of it looked like what like 40 orcs they killed and they seemed pretty just running around and they just all get killed it's like so this was going to threaten all of middle-earth you're saying now we know that there's more to it than that in a moment but for now shouldn't this be like queen we've come a long way and we what we've done seems like we saved like a really small village and to be honest with you we saved like a third of them so I don't know like have you what did Galadriel say it's like well she kind of said like the this was like the whole world was ending sort of thing and we had to do this it's like do you really feel like we've done that do you don't you think there's a little bit more to this story than we haven't we're going back to Númenor I guess that's what I mean this is like Galadriel I'm looking forward to the report back to Númenor when someone goes and tells Farazan what's gone down and Farazan says yes so we've opened up these massive trading opportunities finally what have we got you got Homer's black milk from his chow look you got Galadriel half of Galadriel dead Galadriel had no reason to think that there was a big major force down there all she had was Halbrand saying yeah orcs wiped out my village that was the only information she had now she thought maybe Sauron was there because it was orcs but from numbers or direction no idea at all I find this all bizarre and it doesn't fit at all with what the Númenorians were expecting or to be honest with you oh my god look at that look at that male that she's wearing that quote unquote male feels like they have too much money it's not shouldn't this shouldn't be happening that crease is unacceptable yeah oh that's so disappointing we know the realm is worse there's an actual yeah you're right we've got like a vertical you can see it on the right yeah on the left oh my wow that's a that's a shirt yeah they've printed the male onto it that no that no you had too much money that's not that's not okay for what for your most one of your most prominent characters one of your main characters wearing a t-shirt this isn't an extra in the back that's a shirt so now I'm wondering is the is the breastplate a t-shirt or is it real I think that's real breastplate's real you can see the little shadows underneath that was actually gonna ask I was like they didn't they didn't print it with a shadow or something right that's not I think it looks like the chestplate is real the shoulders are kind of real and then I think yeah you can see that's real you can see you can see whereas on the arms that's clearly a shirt really bad yeah how much did this episode cost this one specifically it's just it's gross like it's seeing that's gross stop it it hurts my eyes well it reminds you that this is a television show not like a real I mean of course none of it's real but it's hard to it just hurts your immersion a little bit you just reminded oh there's like cameras filming this and a whole crew like just I can't see but they were there so lady says five million Jesus sorry the queen says as I understand it these towns people are alive because of you and she's talking to lady not to elf man by the way which is just elf man did a lot of the heavy lifting elf man was clearly the guy it's even worse she doesn't say oh this was a group effort this was the whole community coming together homo was super important elf man pretty much if he wasn't here we'd all definitely be no she says many many people died in its defense that's what she should be saying but she says a bird and I never wanted I just like yeah like fuck you grow away in the last episode when I thought well maybe I'm just gonna not take this up with everyone dying it's when you have your superhero try to save people or acknowledge when he can't save people with just even like a glance or like if somebody falls in battle and you just get that glance it's the little things and here it could have just been yeah I didn't do this alone like you know the village save themselves and so that's like a one two punch of cringe they throw in a third punch who responds to the queen is as like that is what most people who are good at it feel you just want to die the greatest of leaders you're so fucking amazing I guess I could imagine that if they wanted to write it better would be the point that like a lot of the best leaders people who don't want to lead but a thrust into it like they accept the responsibility and you don't have that person saying that about themselves no they would never say this is basic shit it's the thing it's like because of course the line would be like if you wanted her to still talk about herself she could have said no just doing the best I can like that's it if you was close to yes I didn't save everybody the kind of character you want again Theoden is just top tier man but it's just like the kind of character who believes themselves that really as a component they're really not important it's really the people it's really the other individuals it's not them Theoden openly lamented the fact that these dark days are his yeah well he says it was not Theoden of Rohan that led our people to victory right that's a line from him there's a different dynamic obviously he being royalty and the king anyway but with this woman if you wanted to actually portray her as this demure reluctant hero and you also wanted to establish quite a good sort of first relationship between or like what the Numenorians were expecting to find when they got here if Queenie goes and she just she automatically approaches the Elfman on the assumption that he's the one who led all of the defense and this reluctant hero here has said you know she's taking this first opportunity to go back to doing what she is good at she's just killing people she's being a normal woman and then Elfman says actually it wasn't me it was it was her but she's not playing up her own sort of victory in this she's immediately gone back to her normal life or she's doing what comes naturally to her which is being the healer and tending to the sick and the wounded and then you've automatically you've taught the Numenorians something about these people you've not over indulged in in bigging this character up you've shown it to be a genuinely demure and reluctant hero and then you can take it from there and that's a more character rich way of doing things that establishes more and teaches all the characters more about each other but now it's easier just to say you're brilliant yes I am thank you she doesn't take the opportunity yet to say no the real heroes were the villagers who against all odds you know you're removing the leaders entirely you've done a learn you know yeah that's what it means the Elf you have either gladrials saying that oh I can't I wouldn't have expected this kind of valor from southland peasantry or you have the queen saying something like oh I didn't know that you know the people the southlands were this brave and that sort of thing that never comes into the play the peasants are just oh well fuck them don't even mention them it's fine her statement establishes she did great her and it's like that's already reduced everyone else's role and the fact that to be honest with you she didn't do great she nearly tanked everything last night second statement she chooses to make it about she really did great I did it when I didn't even want to and it's like how am I and then the third statement is well yeah I mean that's that's kind of the components that make you great you know it's just like I can't take it I can't take lame characters telling each other they're great what's really lame is that I would imagine that like if you said this to the writers they'd be baffled like they wouldn't even realize that's what you can it's her any given line of dialogue no matter how important or unimportant you think it is can say a lot about a character because it's about it's not just about what they said it's about what they didn't say or I guess more aptly what they chose not to say like the other things that they could have said and this is what they said and what does that tell us about who they are and it's not hard it's really not hard like all it takes is just instead of that just yeah like do it alone or the village saved you know the villagers saved themselves or like I was just a small cog I guess I don't know if they you know I'm just like a smaller part of a larger a larger group just yeah I also like the suggestion as well of her assuming that the elf man was in charge and then him deferring to her that would have been cool that's just another opportunity to characterize him in the conversation you know the queen wants to know who's most responsible and he says it's her and then she's like no it was it's everyone and the elf guy is reluctant to take appreciation but she drags him back in to be like no this fucker helped us a lot you don't understand that sort of stuff which just shows humility it's great way to make us like the characters they fumble every time also Mel was just mentioning wasn't she dying of blood loss like two hours ago she's up and out and up and about she's even in a world even in a world where they like plug a fucking IV of blood into you to get it all pumped back in like you can't do that in this world so she should just be pale and just like I need to sit down and you know what that would be another way to do some great characterization if she was sort of hobbling around checking on people to see if they were okay when she's lost a shit ton of blood when she's down she's like no not until I check like I will I will I just I need to know like yeah don't worry we got it under control you need to rest yourself you know gotta take gotta make sure the doctors are right just seize the opportunities before you they're all right there I guess just do something instead they'll like as someone just said in chat actually she's like I'm narcissistic and then the queen's response I admire that I see myself in you I'm something of a narcissist myself you're supposed to think Merrill is a great leader but the only thing she's done this entire battle is sit on a hill and watch other people do things yeah so from Merrill's perspective we've done the same job and we're both leaders and the craziest part as well is that I think that the show might actually the writers might actually think like when she says a lot of great leaders you know they reluctantly do well for their people it's like the writers would probably say like you see Merrill's talking about herself and be like that's awful that is awful Jesus yeah exactly it's like you know what in this moment of mainly your triumph I figure I would have talked about myself man stop it it's awesome people showed up to help you that would be a fucking amazing though if they both hyper narcissistic and so when the Elfman is like yeah yeah you know what it was it was a broad win she did everything the queen's like wow it was really the Dumanorians that won the fight to be fed off yeah so really it was more because I led them here it was more my choice yeah like people didn't believe that that was a good decision but look at me now and that would be a legitimate scene in the office of the show about narcissistic characters awkwardly trying to get their praise mixed in but this show would do it genuinely and think like see they're both awesome they're almost fighting over how different angle it's a comedy scene where two characters are arguing over who is the most humble amongst them yeah pretty much and then it is like kind of nuts because what do we know about Muriel at all I don't know who she is basically that's the queen Regent right just to be just to oh god and then she's just like hey if you were looking for some relief this over here is Lord Holbrand he's your king he's your king you're a great leader now give it up yeah and everyone's luckily everyone's really happy about this instead of being like I didn't fucking vote for you who the fuck is this guy where's this guy where's he been this whole fucking time I mean that's good you showed up I suppose but are you sure it's so good because you know if there was just one guy he's just he's around he goes oh hey you look pretty neat and you're a king he's like yeah he's like why and then Galadriel's like what do you mean why why that guy yeah why isn't him well he's got the pouch it's like oh where'd he get it the pouch what what makes him king the pouch they just assumed she'd misunderstood you didn't hear me I don't understand when I ask what makes him king I'm asking about his qualities not just that he is a human big I said what makes him king not where does he keep his bling nice and I just love the idea that they would have been like he got it off he may have stolen it off someone that the guy just picks it up and goes am I king now like no then they do a whole thing like oh yeah but we know you stole it and he's like allegedly this is all a legend so you don't you don't know we tell the people in the next village that it's mine then our stories are virtually identical just to be clear but like yeah when you hang on the pouch for that log I just I still often I can't believe this you've just established all these people have to serve this guy because he has the pouch yeah no one else can make that symbol ever that's the joke like it's like the shoe in the gourd from life of Brian but instead it's the pouch everyone just there's this unspoken understood thing that oh yes the royal pouch I don't know if I could take it seriously man there should be like I don't know the fuck you are it's difficult to take serious it's it's amazing how little you have to tweak this to make it a comedy yeah yeah even my mind watching this my mind just immediately goes to the peasants and holy grail again complain about being oppressed you've got equivalent relationship with people you are all individuals I mean if I went around saying that some yes we're all individuals I is it a hot take to say that life of Brian is funnier than my holy grail um I don't know if it's a hot take I think I think most people I don't know people choose whatever right which one's funnier because I I oh it's hard which one I need to re-watch them I don't know which one's funnier I need to re-watch them I happily re-watch them by the way that is something I'm more than happy to do yep likewise so um if you thought we were done with the cringe no we're about to get to one of the most fucking bat shit scenes uh ever and it's done so quickly um so Gladriel hands back the hilt and I am yes I am calling it the hilt for now okay I'm going to we'll get to the other thing it's the hilt for now of course it's in it so Elfman's holding it and he walks over to Theo and he's like oh boy we've done it and here we are and he's like you know don't torment yourself over the fact that you you gave up the hilt you know don't worry about it I don't feel guilty I was just thinking to myself like I don't know he's not really got anything necessarily too guilty to to be over in the sense of um if they were going to ransack that whole place they would have found it if the logic you're going to run with is that then maybe you could just say like either we die one by one as he's trying to get the hilt or I give the hilt up and we take our chances on whether or not we'll die but um it makes me think like so he is once again he is aware that it is the world is in the balance by giving up the hilt right that is the Elfman's perspective as far as I know I mean that's what he should have been telling the Galadriel it always feels like we go in and out of that being a realization or not I'm never quite clear on it I don't know if he knows maybe not the world in the balance I think he knows that it's very important but I don't well I don't think even he would have predicted what it actually did I don't even the audience would have predicted it's like nope I think he tells Ron it was designed it was designed to bind the south lands to Sauron so that what he knows right which I would have assumed like it lets you cast a spell of mind control maybe that could be one interpretation anyway Theo explains that's not why he's feeling down and what we're about to get is what I would call an enormous red flag Theo says when he was holding that thing when he was in my hands I felt power like oh so when I hit him I was just like oh so we're doing the one ring sort of stuff this guy's in trouble he's getting a bit of that addiction you gotta look out gotta be careful so Elfman says alright we'll rid yourself of it once and for all get rid of it and he's like how can we toss it into the sea it's like and then he walks off what the fuck rags is muted right now which is unfortunate but when we were watching it we paused because I just fucking lost my shit oh yeah you made a comparison right or I could just repeat it for you you know what you go ahead it's like someone explaining to you man you know that meth I tried it was really fucking good to the point where I'm actually kind of worried about myself and then this guy just comes up to you and says you hate meth you want to get off meth because you're so addicted well here's a whole brick of meth why don't you go throw it in the ocean like what it's like meth makes me feel powerful meth makes me feel really good here then have this brick of meth you how about you go get rid of this for us I couldn't like it's unbelievable if someone is addicted to it you might be like you know what I'm gonna go make sure it's rid of this world you have nothing to worry about we're getting rid of this thing I'll sort it out for you don't you worry thanks for telling me buddy but yeah I'll sort this one out but instead he's like here it is you go ahead and he just fucking hands it to him and I was absolutely losing it I couldn't believe it because I was like this is gonna facilitate some crazy shit it's so fucking stupid well funnily enough it doesn't even facilitate it doesn't facilitate anything it doesn't facilitate that well look it doesn't facilitate that specific brand of bullshit well so it doesn't change this is kind of the thing we were talking about last stream right with the whole drunk driving thing it's like just because it didn't have the consequence it probably would have had it doesn't change the Elfman's decision being incredibly fucking just horrible reckless and insane literally before Elfman has left he's looking at his scars from having used it which is like it's almost like track lines or something yeah I can't believe this shit oh and they're all holding it by like the sword end as well because they know none of them can hold it by the handle which would be natural because then you'd immediately feel that it wasn't the right one so yeah the reason why this doesn't have the consequences you might imagine the something else to realize here I was confused for a second when I first saw this I had no idea how they could possibly be saying this is reality sort of thing it's one of those moments with the show thinks it's very clever right it's like ah we've put things in place got him like if you paying close attention you might have spotted that this was a potential you could already tell as he's unwrapping this wait a second that doesn't look at all like it should uh he still hasn't realized himself yet though no nobody has which is I suppose the first thing to talk about but um we have an issue there is an issue you might be I'd be remiss to not say there are several issues this is this is like wait a minute that's not the hilt at all that's but it was the bag I'm kind of what has happened here is a sword like weapon so I think you can sort of forgive them for that I guess there's just many questions this particular development raises did nobody check to see what was in the rag this has cost several people's hands for a decent chunk of time yeah for some time and it's not one of them see what was in it nobody felt the difference in weight or size and shape or just none of that but the bigger insanity is that Galadriel was not curious to look at this thing this thing that she was told must not be allowed in enemies hands yeah just never cared to look at it it's like we got it we're good this is it I'm not gonna check just to make sure the whole mission hinges on this particular object no you see that just shows the arrogance of the characters and their pride and how that's their undoing they wouldn't take these simple steps because they were so self-assured and their certainty you see you see this because elf man told her that she had to not let him escape with that object so even if she doesn't quite know what it is that is more a reason to look and see what it is that's true yeah that is true because you don't even know what it is what do you mean it was just a tomahawk what is this a magic evil tomahawk that will awaken sauron is this sauron's tomahawk was he an avid tomahawk thrower did he tie a rope for maximum effectiveness elf man is pretty familiar with this thing and he managed to hold this without even realizing not noticed beyond and so you're like where's the real one woldrick has it and he's gone back to the watchtower he's activated the sword and he's plunged it into this thing there's this big old slot on the floor underneath the little statue that depicts the sword as a key which brings us to I think I should just summarize the whole event first and then we can spend the next 10 years talking about this it's unreal he stabs it down it opens up a little spillway for a dam essentially for water it piles out and it all flows down uh the big old trench that we saw them building this whole time and the trench ends in an opening to a volcano that is dormant and it plows all the water in there which activates the volcano it erupts like fucking crazy and it seems like there's some level of supernatural shit going on here it's like turning the world to darkness as well like the ground is even becoming you know I think we go in Mordor mode it's the idea you guys remember Mordor it's quite dark I remember Mordor, I clapped I clapped when I saw Mordor there's a couple of other things that happen as well including but not limited to the pyroclastic flow, Adar escaping a conversation between Elendil and Sun we'll get to all those things we're going to just discuss this insane shit as best we can I suppose where to start this kind of just it recontextualizes everything we've seen up to this point in terms of what Adar's plan was which is I need to build up my orcs capture some humans dig up that trench ready to open up the dam to activate Mount Doom and to do that I'm gonna need to get the hilt I don't know where it is at all I just hope I'll eventually find it and then put it presumably he knew he was gonna put it here the whole time or did he discover that this episode I'm not sure that is the plan in fall is that key all meant to be the eye of Sauron oh boy I don't know why the elf when they pulled all the trees and stuff away from the wall didn't immediately just see this it's pretty obvious and as was said if you fill that with any old thing it's gonna fuck up the whole plan fill it up with concrete man this is evil shit if you drop a whole bunch of little stones in there until it fills it all the way up like that's it just take gamers and break the whole mechanism yeah you could also do that unless it's all immune to being hit by anything like all the evil stuff is for some reason I still don't know why he's made this complex key to begin with it's not like he didn't even cause if it was just a lever you could be like well anyone could set it off so he wanted a locking mechanism but he wanted this to happen to the area so surely it doesn't matter who set it off it didn't need protecting it wasn't meant to be top secret or anything it just seems really over engineered for what could have just been a button well so we have to imagine that back when they were having their big old war was Mordor do not like it goes dormant and then they're like we're gonna do that by piling loads of water in there so what's the best way to do that well there's a stream over here if we jam it up dam it up and then release it all our future generations dig a big trench we can line it all up to go straight in there we go that's great we'll design this mechanism to lock it all up and unlock it and we'll make the key this big old sword I'm just sitting here like so if you have an army of orcs and you're actually near the coastline you're telling me then that with all the work the orcs did they could have just had loads of buckets right and just sort of tossed all the water in there I don't know is that reasonable or not I don't know there was actually an article I don't remember which websites doing it discussing the science of this scene and whether it's actually possible buckets wouldn't have worked because there's not enough water in there and it probably would have evaporated before it even hit yeah so you'd need to get a trench going down I think it's three kilometers or four kilometers deep which is where the magma chamber is and you'd need a lot of water in there which would then create an awful lot of steam which would create an eruption of swords and it just happened in real life steam eruptions are very different from normal volcanic eruptions they happen all the time it would happen at once and they don't be magma everywhere it wouldn't be a volcano where magma is just or lava is oozing out of it constantly it would just be like it explodes because of the steam and the pressure and then it's done but if you are going to go periodically anyway there's always a build up of pressure in a volcano and it just spurts a little bit of an hour and then it's fine again but you wouldn't be able to do it with buckets you would need a trench it would need to be a lot of water but then again it sort of poses the question who built the dam in the first place and then if it wasn't the elves who built the dam they might have asked why the dam was built but if you see, yeah because you have to have not just the dam being built being built with this mechanism because the mechanism is clearly integral to the whole design it's not just an addition it has to be done with that it needs to be built with that in mind which means it can't have been the elves who built it because the elves would have had no reason to build it with the mechanism leading water into the volcano which means they would surely have asked what is the purpose and point of this dam even existing anyway and is it not perhaps notable that this massive trench that we would definitely have spotted from our watchtowers seems to be leading directly to this dam they didn't spot that dude they didn't spot anything yeah he wasn't talking to Elfman reported to whoever that was it doesn't exist in this show they're like elf command is this supposed to be Gilgalad elf command they're like oh we've been recalled yeah but it's like by who and why don't those people care about you all of them are dead now except Elfman also the Gilgalad is as far away from this place as it's possible to be because Lindon is far south the far northwest and then you have the southlands which are far southeast it's like the entirety of Middle Earth is the distance and you should have you'd think what you do in the lore have but you should even in this universe have multiple different elvish kingdoms factions fortresses outposts whatever between the far northwest and the far southeast that you would be reporting to it doesn't really make a huge amount of logistical sense to have in the reporting straight back to Gilgalad and Lindon because you couldn't get further away from where you are here the reason why they get recalled is because Gilgalad sends Galadriel away and then he says that's it the war's over there's peace in our time and then that cancels everything around the whole area and so nobody cares the nobody cared that they never came back like nobody checked we're just gonna have to accept that that's the thing that happened because we see Gilgalad later and the elves later and they just don't ask there's no inquiry there's no investigation like yeah whatever I guess the writers just didn't think about it I just don't know why if you've made a big locking mechanism and a dam and all this sort of magical keys and stuff why you wouldn't have just dug the tunnels at the same time why you needed a load of orcs to come in and finish your plan for you yeah why didn't you have secret tunnels underneath that it could like you just have to like you have to remove the door or mine a boulder or something and it opens up the tunnels that you dug ages ago because that shit will last yeah it's really weird that they built all this knowing that our future generations will have to build an absurdly huge trench that's incredibly long to make this work which is the more difficult part than a dam as well you say that but the thing is if you're Ada we can build that dam sorry we can dig that trench and we can unlock that dam the hardest component of all of this from his perspective I guess you were talking about from when they set this whole thing ages ago I was just gonna say like they have no idea where the hilt is up until it's quote quote found so that could have been anywhere literally anywhere building that whole trench would have been really awkward if they never found the hilt huh breaking down the dam yeah I guess they could break down the dam is there anything stopping them from doing that is it magical stone I don't know I assume you could just chisel it away yeah well it's kinda like you know how in like the ints they fucked up the dam two towers you know they could go for the supports of the dam they didn't have to get a spooky sword that's true the spooky sword just was I don't know I guess it's nice to be looking for it it's really great if you do find it it does make that work easier and so yeah everything really did hinge on this hilt um we'll have to assume that Adar understood the entire system well ahead of time so this is in service of creating a world for his orcs to be happy in right that's the idea yeah ash goes into the sky blocks out the sun and they can run around so uh he finally defeats the villagers gets a hold of that hilt and he's like I'm too clever I'm gonna hand it to waldrig and get him to enact the plan while I will become the decoy I thought that was kind of strange I thought maybe you would want to give it to your like most trusted person which I doubt is the guy you met yesterday um how does he have tykes if I remember that scene correctly he comes out of the tavern Adar comes out of the tavern and bouldrig is just standing there and Adar has time I need you to do something for me but then the numenoreans attack so how in between the horse charge and the horse arrival does he have time to say take this hilt go to this specific place find this thing this is what it looks like this is what you do with a sword this is where you put the sword this is how you twist the sword and this is what will then happen does he have time to do all of that before the horse is hit him I think he would have recorded an explanation on his mobile phone and handed it to him and said play this video when you get there that would have handled it yeah and then you have to believe that woldrig managed to sneak past everyone and everything to get there um I suppose if he just sprinted into the forest that's probably likely I guess I don't know he's like he's the most noticeable of the villagers to the other villagers this is the guy who led the revolt so the other villagers would surely have been on the lookout or they'd at least spotted him there and maybe said maybe that's the one part I would give them some level of benefit of the doubt because most of the villagers are currently stuck in the tavern meanwhile if he comes across as a random villager running into the forest to the numerorians or the orcs I don't think either side will care that much whatever the fuck that guy and even if the villagers saw woldrig running off into the forest I doubt they would be like we must stop him they'd probably be like oh that piece of shit anyway moving on because he's running like a coward so it's just unfucking real man woldrig with his stupid little spooky hilt is the reason Mount Doom exists it's pretty insane isn't it I can't Jackson films it's all because of woldrig he is the key to everything key to Mordor they create fucking hell and so yeah none of the fucking plan makes any sense at all in terms of when they would have set this up originally and how they've approached it at this point it's incredibly lucky that everything rolled out the way that it did and then you start to have these little bonus questions like did woldrig know how important that hilt was and if he did why the hell did he let Theo hang on to it when Theo is not even like drinking the cool lady he's not in the cult he didn't even see it didn't Theo show it to him in episode 3 he explicitly says you took it from my barn he knows that Theo's got it and that he took it so we have to assume that he doesn't know really how important it is because otherwise he would never have let Theo keep it just that it is important that alone should have been enough reason for him to not let him keep it it doesn't work can't work no matter how they and then there was probably a difference in the last stream or yesterday stream and then he just asks Theo to go with him rather than stealing the sword first and taking it off with him none of that makes any sense yeah but you can't let things not making sense get in the way of a good stuff get in the way of rings of power especially gonna soldier on what is that plan here why are they just running up to the orcs randomly I don't know but I thought it was funny that the orcs just casually like we're gonna break out now and kill you it's like yeah the form in which that they had them captured was just they're in like a little zone and they've told to behave I think that's it is that meant to be them demonstrating how much powerful they are now there's no sun it's like the sun is already been blocked out it's still here a little bit they're probably slogging it yeah all right maybe the orcs boosted power level also the show see this guy here near the center of the camera look at that and vaporized now he just has the weirdtism he's like oh no with a volcano just fully launching to that degree in front of these people within that distance I was just like so all of you are dead pretty sure that's how that works yeah especially in this day and age you ain't got this ain't 2012 where you John Cusack in your little car and you can just escape the entire situation okay you do there's no cover possible yeah except if there's like a cellar and even then like you're not gonna be having a good time once the smoke because it's the smoke that's the big problem for you really like all of this is bad but once that smoke reaches you like yeah you're done how to breathe you got at the end of the day you gotta be able to breathe try airway breathing circulation well this is one bit by here though I was like if you can see that's Theo near the center of the camera that like detonates and look at him in reference to this it's like oh he's fucked that's annihilated and then you get another shot that's here and he's like whoa that was close I'm fine that nearly hit the queen as well by the way add alphabets that would be so funny if like one little comet just wiped out Theo alphabets in the queen region and Broadway that would be great oh and hullbrand as well we have new characters yay re-roll on new characters it's for the best why does he still have no expression about what's going on I don't know same as her she's come out and said something really stupid though this was her moment of peace she was just exhausted and this gave her a moment of peace I can get a quote if you want it's amazing please do a moment of peace I have questions by the way this is not something you want to be seeing this is one of those moments of like ooh I need to leave I need to run you see the old man to the left there that's a good move you see the people to the right who are running toward the smog that's a bad move that's because they don't actually know what's in front of them that's a big ol' green screen they have no idea nobody told them while they were filming I guess he's just sprinting into the fucking smog that's what you do it's vaporizing everything what are they gonna do to justify this I told you they'll have a parody but like do they understand am I to believe that this is just a magical a magical explosion that is actually less harmful to you than a real person like in a real in a real world volcanic eruption if this happens to you that's it it's over so it'll be less it'll be less violent and dangerous and potent friend of mine who's a big ol' fan of Lord of the Rings was ranting to me after seeing this episode one of the things was he sort of went on a tangent about how fucking bad he thinks Morvith Clark is acting and I don't blame him what am I supposed to draw out of this expression I actually have no idea well she's she's awake that's true well some people can sleep with their eyes open I guess that was me doing half the show it doesn't really juxtapose with the quote I think because I think I saw the one that this group retweeted juxtapose what she says there with the expression on her face here and see how much of that you picked up wait so what is we got a quote we can read out yeah it's in the she was utterly spent and so exhausted and so regretful that she's completely immobilized and almost is kind of grateful to have a moment of peace I think she's just utterly paralyzed by guilt fear rage and thousands of years of it so like I didn't I didn't get any of that the crazy thing is that this is what I mean about listening to actors talk about this shit I would have said best faith interpretation that she thought we were on the verge of finally getting the victory she's always wanted and then she sees this which annihilates everything and this is so this is like one of the worst moments forever and she's absolutely frozen by it that's the best faith interpretation I'd have but she's just added this whole dumbass what on top of it so I think that the best faith one is the only one that can work that this is a complete moment of resignation essentially of dread well I guess you could have two fold right either dread or resignation but it would probably be dread right like on the cusp of victory it all falls apart and you why would you walk into it that's what gets me she's dead everybody is I don't know how is because people in chat are memeing well it's evil so it's not hard I guess I have to presume that's the way that it works in this show because it's over but from like a pure visual storytelling standpoint what do the writers actually think I'm meant to believe here because when I watch this it's like oh is that the end of the show that's it they lost and got consumed by a giant lot of it going home absolutely none of them nobody's going home it's over even the ash doesn't make sense because ash is black but in all the trailers and stuff that whole scene where she's covered in red that's this that's the next episode I just realized from that preview image she's gonna be that scene I remember seeing clips of that ship before she's gonna be in red soot for everybody basically right but how can you breathing how can she breathe it's so unreal why I know that the writers and directors would be like this is lord of the rings it's a magical shut up I know it's the lord of the rings but like I presume that when a fucking volcano erupts and you get blasted with ash that's not gonna be you're not gonna be okay no no no unless you work to tell me they're magical 1300 degree fahrenheit the elves can take that because that's how they're made yep that whole meteor man scene with the hobbit where she falls in and goes oh this is cold that might just be like their setup for this so everyone's beaming where it's at I would not be surprised if they think that's so clever why would somebody watch this and go like 10 out of 10 I don't know what it is that would be epic they want to get a job at Amazon is that it like epic tragedy and you have a lot of money and there was a fight scene a big action scene that wasn't very good I guess I just don't see I don't see how this could be fun for anybody that mortal was created because what was the guy's name the crazy old man put a sword in a hole and then a dev and then mount doom was created why would anybody be happy about that like if they went to watch return of the king and then there's mount doom and you're like ah yeah I remember when the old man put this sword in old man waltrick the crazy old man waltrick the man will sing songs about him forever more the song of old man you'll be an old hero yeah and yeah that's the thing that bothers me about this whole fucking show it's insane the first five hours and I'm legitimately trying to like be of some level of fairness here it's like summarize them stories like the half it's guy falls out of space he's chilling out with our main character who's a part of a community that are trying to migrate that's it full done all of it dwarves it's like well they were mining really deep they've come across mithril they've discovered it and it's a bit awkward because it cost them a few mining areas it's like they're not sure about it okay elves they're having trouble they're losing the light of the eldar and they might need mithril to sort that out they've started an alliance in terms of building some stuff with the dwarves okay southlands yeah well the orcs are attacking them and so they went to the watchtower to hide out okay and bear in mind I'm describing the first five hours it's like right so what else we got left now it's like numinorians well I guess Galadriel the numinorians she is trying to hunt Sauron but then she decides to come back and she convinces the numinorians to go to the southlands and attack the orc incursion that's there that is that is that it is that everything yeah and then it's like and then in episode 6 what happens oh just like mount doom gets created yeah just mordor is you know mordor is now exit isn't that insane we had five episodes where like we wasted so much time and then in episode 6 it's like oh yeah mordor now doom like they realized they had to catch up and things hadn't happened again leaving the docks of numinor and at the end of the next episode the war has been completed what do you mean the war has been completed and then no it wasn't everything goes horrible and now we got mount doom and mordor like we are racing in episode 6 yeah look at this look at this repeating like this is this is the experience of watching this show just standing there as you're consumed by this cloud of death how can she survive this how can anybody survive this how is she the force of that as well like oh yeah alone would there's so much physics here like temperature the lack of oxygen as you just said even just the blowing away of what's happening here it's showing us that all of the other objects this is plowing through the buildings the fences the grass it's all getting annihilated there is electricity in this thing like I don't see it has its own weather systems and you're just getting totally still they want to be like how did they want to bait that she's died from this and then be like she made it everybody and that's like a catharsis moment for the audience to be like oh thank goodness how can you bait that galadriel died because they're a special kind of people because the people who like this are dumb well do they not know who she is and that she's very much is not dead it's a different galadriel I was about to say do we really believe this is galadriel after everything we've seen right well yeah because I guess we haven't talked about it that much but like this isn't this is like not tethered to Peter Jackson's like Lord of the Rings at all right like it's not even constantly wise I think it's meant to be it's not allowed to be like legally connected to it but it's all in the same universe and it's all meant to be canon I guess because I've been watching this like this ain't no this is just like totally different it's like totally not connected they keep doing those those callback very over at callbacks to those films including stealing some lines oh sure that I guess it's it's more so that in no official sense in you know in the sense that like um Disney Star Wars like is the sequel to the original trilogy as upsetting as that might be because you've got the same actors same continuity timeline directly and like the studio that created it is the studio that owns all of it whereas here it's like uh you know like nobody who made the original how it sure is involved you know it's very easy to divorce it I've been treating it basically in my head like this is not connected to the films the first time it became clear to me that it's actually annoyed me more than ever seeing Mount Doom being activated it's like you get the fuck away from me for everything that we've seen so far there's a level of like disconnect that you can have but here it's like no I know shit calling her Galadriel is one thing but she's so unlike her doesn't look anything like this so I'm just like it's fine I can just ignore that Elrond same deal then that's going on and it's like Mount Doom is a big old volcano it's kind of hard for me to be like you don't look like volcano yeah why would anybody be happy with this though as like the way they did the origin I guess I guess that's I guess I'm just baffled by the 10 out of 10 and I'm not like the like I just I don't understand what would be cool and appealing about any of this IGN gave episode 5 a 7 out of 10 as well so starting from a relatively high mark well yeah IGN when they do reviews for like media skew higher then video games skew higher for review scores than films and TV shows generally like if a game gets a 7 that's kind of the equivalent of if a film gets a 5 in a lot of people's minds I think IGN does the same thing with their film reviews they scale up big time but even then like a 7 so this is 3 points higher this is a good you know 30% wait shit I'm messing up my damn probabilities and statistics we talked about this yesterday they think it's markedly better than the last episode is it because there were fight scenes is it because there were fight scenes and then Mount Doom exploded like and that might actually be it it could be this shot this is I could totally see other people being like this was incredible this is cinema this is cinema yeah this is what was all leading up to Galadriel standing totally still as a massive cloud of ash just washes over her her hair wasn't even moving well I looked it up her hair stands in defiance of death in defiance of physics yeah they say it delivers exceptional action and character development oh god that yeah we could read that a gorgeous emotional roller coaster that ends with an enormous blow to the heroes you could say that yeah enormous blow all of the ground being paid off apparently that's another thing so all of the preceding episodes is worth it because of this so one of their highlighted quotes one of the highlighted quotes is episode 6 showed a masterful ability to weave all this character building into dramatic action sure that's all I considered okay sure that's good as well at least it's finally portraying the orcs as being more complicated and that's good because we need to have a proper conversation about what it's like to have races that are evil by nature so they haven't watched the extra credits they haven't watched our coverage of the extra credits video but they need to do it this is their little blurb at the end right their little statement 10 out of 10 masterpiece the tides of battle keep turning in the thrilling and devastating 6th episode of the lord of the rings the rings of power giving us fantasy television at its finest well you want to vomit really really I know right like it's I don't I do not understand what the appeal would be for this show given that there are like no characters it's basically who are the characters in this show like as in if you sat somebody down if you sat down the person who gave it a 10 out of 10 it's like can you just list me like in dot point form 5 traits of Galadriel the main character just like 5 traits that she has dot point them for me even that I'd be curious if they're all going to be negative they are going to be negative I would say arrogance it's a huge one vanity narcissism like this headstrong that's not negative enough reckless is better negligent maybe yep I'd go with that these are all very fair socially inept like she has no idea how to work with anybody yeah and these are all unintentional these are not the traits that they it's just and then once you go past them it's like well if you went to a different character could you list more than 3 traits that they have because they all generally have one and even like that one is a very generic nebulous yeah it's not a strong one you're not a complicated character but you have this very strong trait about you that's interesting to watch one note isn't necessarily boring elf man is basically his trait is protagonist that's like his trait he's like the generic hero man I will do what is right because being right is good and being good is right yeah he's generic hero man and then it's like well what about Elrond is I don't know kind of like a liar a liar I thought you just said he's just a live he's around he exists I just say that he's like generic elf man basically like generic he's kind of like what even is a generic elf in this show we learned so little about kind of just aristocrat basically like that's it like generic sort of aristocrat character who's posh maybe that's it he's posh that's the only thing that I can describe him but I struggle a lot of the time okay let's do an easy one you can describe Nori's traits he goes off the trail absolutely go for it basically oh yeah she's not like the other hobbits that's her well what else she goes off the trail right she does things differently the rebel she's basically that she's peppy that's basically who she is watch the show with your actress and be like I have been watching six hours of this do you feel this is real good for Nori do you feel it blame you or the director well it's gotta be the director surely like the amount of characterization that it's in every scene of Lord of the Rings and every interaction you have with everybody and everything and it's just so frustrating they couldn't learn anything and take anything forward in this show they don't know how to do any of it always backwards or nothing we don't think this is very good in case anyone would die it's not quite as good as Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy it's not quite almost it's pretty it's almost there it's pretty good but not quite imagine if you put yourself 15 years down the line and you're looking back the long history of televised or cinematic Lord of the Rings and you say tell me about Gimli tell me about Aragorn tell me about Legolas tell me about Gandalf or even just say which of the characters that most immediately jump out to you who are the people that you really love and remember from that show every single one of them comes from the Jackson films the combined extended edition will be so much shorter in its total duration than the five seasons of Rings of Power will be if you ask anyone to say if you ask anyone to tell you in 15 years time tell me about Nori from Rings of Power no one's even going to remember her name we can already struggle through that 20 years since Lord of the Rings and those things are still gems of culture we have examples of this already in all of the these new shows that have been coming out like all the new characters and obviously the destroyed ones like who's, what's the name of the Ali Kari, someone like that the bad guy from Falcon Man Soldiers Morgan Fowl tell me about her, nobody knows well nobody could even tell you what the plot of the show even was I don't think they could tell you I don't think they could tell you the plot of like Moon Knight, that was what 6 months ago what's the name of the girl in Moon Knight oh my god I'm pretty sure I just had it and it's gone Layla Layla I have no clue, so baby someone in chat just said Layla so it's probably that, yeah and then there was Arthur, the villain and what was his goal, he just really liked the Crocodile Lady I don't remember her name because it's a big old fan of Armit, that was it but that's the thing it's just um and it's really the media is super disposable and you don't want that to be Lord of the Rings the Lord of the Rings like TV show this massive production is gonna be have no enduring I just don't see it, I don't see this show having any sort of enduring legacy because I guess I'm just I'm not convinced when I see people saying that like it that it's really enjoyable and interesting to them that at best it's like I guess this is nice to look at and watch and just consume the story but I just don't see it, I don't really this show in particular I don't get what the appeal would be It just drops immediately from the mount 20 years down the line your parents introducing their kid to the Lord of the Rings for the first time they're watching the Jackson films and maybe the kid says Daddy how did Mordor get like that and then the parent says let me tell you the story of a man called Waldrig I don't think that's gonna happen How do you summarize Waldrig's story he's the descendant of a bunch of people who were with Morgoth when he finds out the orcs are on their way to his village he goes up to the watchtower and then he says you know what he's coming up with the orcs and he does and then he creates Mordor his story might not be over though cause he's still in that tower I don't know what the fuck they would do with his story but Sean I'd love him to go like he comes back he's gonna be fucking hilarious as the spillway opens he slips on the water coming through and he's in that trench just going waaah and he goes all the way down to Mordor he was the first explosion explosion critical most yeah he hits the lava Mordor first before all the water does it's into a giant Waldrig he's the slow most it's like when Godham falls into the crowd and he's falling and he gets Waldrig doing everyone's favourite of Waldrig he hits it and he's like the guy who got slowly lowered into acid in rick and morty oh god brrrrr uuuuughhhhhh yeah yeah this is the worst episode of the season I thought so it pissed me off absolutely the most and his dense as fuck even though I think it took us longer to cover episode 5 but then again Shad was here so that makes some more sense I feel like if Shad were here he probably would have had many things to say unfortunately he couldn't quite make it the backup seems so bad that just anyone could tell you everything that's wrong you don't need a Shad for this one it's that basic stuff that you mess with you just watched it it should just speak for itself I would NEVER recommend anyone watch this thing I don't know what what would be like a note like some shots look nice sometimes the music's good yeah it was Bruth mentioning yeah Adar escaped at some point yeah nobody was watching him his chains weren't very good yeah they were a little bit loose nobody was watching him he would have just been obliterated by the fucking mordor activations good thing he got out of there maybe just dug a hole and hid yeah that's true and the only other thing was Elendil Elendil's like your pain is bothering your horse my son and then he's like I'm not in pain it detects your pain your mental pain yeah then he's like oh how do you know this and he's like I learned it from your mum okay but all this is going off while a volcano is erupting it's kind of weird to throw that scene in in the middle of the of the whole Mordor scene it is really fucking weird that they just put that in there do they expect anyone to remember that you don't put any character developing scene immediately like 2 seconds before the most dramatic cosmic event in the show it's just not what you do narratively well yeah because I guess you could summarize it as oh they're friends now they were kind of not friends but now they're friends now and it's funny as well because it's like a seal that wasn't using that horse in a grand total of about 5 minutes or I guess a day's ride right but he did that in seconds so I don't fucking onscreen 12 seconds there you go 12 second bomb yeah and he jumped off it like almost immediately episode 6 wow incredible that's some cinema right there glad we got through it though so I suppose we should get back to finishing up super chats because we've got exactly I got about 2 hours exactly before I have to stop so I think we should be oh sure alright but I will offer both little platoon and disperu if you guys would like to get on with life itself or hang out with us it's completely up to you I wouldn't want to restrict you because I already appreciate how much time you guys have sacrificed breaking down this awful thing I've got about an hour and they're gonna know how much you sacrificed for them good line that's another show everyone will forget about WandaVision well yeah okay in that case just let me know thought yeah no problem if needs be I'll just take on from where we were earlier which was have you seen the 5 hour long review called how Incredibles 2 destroyed everything by Gaming Magic 13 it's a great video with some very well thought out criticisms and some fantastic editing let me actually put that on a new tab that sounds interesting Gaming Magic 13 that's the name I have not seen it but yeah sounds like that's definitely a video I could see being made because Incredibles 2 was fucking annoying alright yeah I'm gonna put that up on another tab and take a look you should check out Tolkien's Untangled's videos in which he details how he would have adapted the second age his suggestions are infinitely but no way his suggestions are better I couldn't have known that what Tolkien might be able to tell stories better than someone this person who rigs the power who these collection of I was gonna say Clowns but Clowns don't deserve that they're trying trying to make people laugh at least Daredevil is 56 million for season 1 rings a power of 60 million per episode that's insane another little fun fact is that Daredevil was the production schedule was tight I think they made each episode was filmed in 13 days which that's short for a show like that I mean it's just yeah there's kind of no excuse really in the case of rings of power it's the most expensive show I've ever made like technical limitations and constraints like a lot of the constraints that make it difficult to tell to achieve certain things in other shows didn't exist here it's the writing the writing lets it down cause it's like the part that isn't contingent on the budget but yeah it's probably the easiest thing to do when you've got an infinite budget you can base it on a billion dollars almost infinite for a TV show you could hire whoever you wanted the problem is that writing doesn't writing doesn't seem to be valued like in any sort of clear tangible way actors are valued in a way cinematographers like all manner of parts and of course just the physical like filming visual effects this is all like a price attached to it but with writing there just doesn't seem to be we all seem to vaguely you know like we create a binary of good bad and everyone's got a judge acting and we take some serious moments it seems like the whole world is vaguely able to throw the dart in the correct binary same for cinematography, same for a lot of things but when it comes to writing it is just all over the fucking place we have like millions and millions of people who think that it's okay let's put it this way if you're on like the board of directors and they're like alright we're trying to sort out who's going to be writing the next star war and it's like JJ Abrams and you go no, no, no, no, no, no, that was awful and it's like okay, write it and then you go who else you got and it's like Colin Treveraro and you're like why would you suggest him they're like well because Jurassic World films and then you're like why do you think that's a good reason to do it they're like they made money what are you talking about? it seems like something that is I guess as interesting as when you think about names that names attached to and recognized in like the occupations of filmmaking you know you've got directors who everybody's familiar with actors to some extent cinematographers as well maybe not as much in the mainstream with writers it feels like there's not as big a list of screenwriters that people immediately recognize and understand what their work is you've got people like Aaron Sorkin I guess you could say Tarantino fits in that he's recognized for his writing as well the list just isn't as big though and like it seems like with television shows it's often writing teams right people would recognize the Simpsons writing team but you probably struggle to find many people who could tell you the names of like many of the writers on that team I don't know I guess like maybe it is a matter of in because with books like you know there's so many books where you look at them the author's name is bigger than the title of the book because like when it comes to novels the author is often like way more important than specifically like what's well you don't have cinematography in like books and well I mean it makes total sense right like it is just the writing that's all you have I guess putting to one side the editor but like the editing is the writing as well it's just the writer at the forefront but the bare minimum the bare minimum you'd expect is that they had credits to their name that they'd actually written a load of stuff like the kind of baffling that you would get the showrunners to have yeah and the writers themselves if you look at the writers basically nothing what we've seen with Marvel as well like a lot of the recent Marvel films it's like how many writing credits do you have two it's like really like you got Michael Waldron was an assistant writer for like one season of community wrote one episode of Rick and Morty it's like you get to be the lead writer of a Marvel television show I don't get it I don't understand that I just have no idea maybe it's right because if you got somebody like Tarantino how much control can you exercise I mean they had Edgar Wright and he left Yat-sem Rami too you get the occasional story of a director who's finally allowed to create his passion project he's written the thing, he's created the thing this is entirely his own work and quite often the director has no taste and no imagination and the passion project completely fails because he's the only person who's interested in that but I wonder whether the wrong lesson isn't sometimes taken I imagine from a studio's perspective it is safer and more reliable to have a larger team of nobodies who you know you can overrule if you want to than to put all of your eggs in the basket held by that one guy who's a little bit wacky and he really has this passionate idea because if that fails well you're kind of screwed there's no oversight over that whatsoever whereas if you have this team of nobodies who've not done anything before they will be much more in-hoc to your concerns as a studio so that you can focus group with them and if you want to change a part of the plot because the focus group told you they didn't understand it well the director, the writer whatever they're not going to argue with you too much because they owe their careers to you at this point I think it's as simple as the less of a reputation you have the less you're able to exercise that authority um there is it sucks and it's clearly one of the biggest reasons why so many of these massive productions fail in terms of just being good but man I'm like most scripts really matters like the script is super important but it's just not valued that much it's the story and the characters and it's just chat on it's only the story guys and I think because people would say film is a visual medium and all of that and it's like I think the way that I would explain it is what is a story at its most base form if you start pulling back um visuals and sound design what do you end up with well at the end of the day it's going to be words on a page um it's uh it's like I don't know what it looks like to have a film without a screenplay um in much the same way that I don't know what it means to have a film that doesn't have visuals it is inextricable which is important it matters it needs to be valued more needs to be understood what the difference is we say this all it's people in chat trying to explain how it ends up happening it's like bad robot there's a lot of uh nevitism in terms of what writers get chosen for what things and stuff and it's just like yes but all of this is that they are assuming that they do know how to write when JJ Abrams writes up his script for The Force Awakens he doesn't think like man I'm such a bad writer he's like nah I know what people want to see and then by the way he got a shit ton of praise he got all kinds of people telling him that he saved the series and that he did an incredible job and I just think like you know it's hard to tell at that point what bad writer good write is why would he believe us yeah that's true people are really delving into the reasons why he would just be like yeah I guess it's don't like it for whatever reason but all the praise I'm getting and all the money I've been given it must be successful I did all the stuff on my checklist mystery box and everything I did all I hit all the things I'm supposed to do or a few jokes that's what I'm supposed to do it's about experience right but even if the script writer thinks that what they've written is a masterpiece that's gonna get handed up the chain and everyone above them is gonna read it and they also have to think it's great and at no point when they're filming it or watch the first episode they think actually this is it's not coming off right we need to change this I guess to probably because when it comes to certain people the most important thing is do we think people will like it because as opposed to how our test groups respond to this yeah we have to be careful as well because I think that even the five of us here right now are much more invested in writing as a craft than a lot of normal people even people in the industry right you could sit down with all the producers of Rings of Power or whatever else and we watched the Jackson trilogy and we're like ah it's fucking great yeah excellent I love that put on Rings of Power and we're like and then they're like having the exact same experience that they just had with the Jackson trilogy and you're like why and they're just like what do you mean why it's the fantasy it's action-packed scenes there's characters who are moving along it's like yeah of course I do oh you don't actually see the difference that's unfortunate sucks you're missing out on like what films have to offer yeah because then you want to roll back instead of explaining the why Rings of Power is bad you need to be like wait can you tell me why Lord of the Rings is good because that's way more important tell me why it's good I need to know what you value do you know what's happening in it that's valuable and if they're like yeah I loved it when Aragorn was like I'm gonna get you with my sword there's a latent awareness that these things are not quite the same so like you know quite often you'll get comments under videos saying why are you thinking so hard about the blockbuster film it's just a blockbuster film like Jurassic World Dominion for example criticizing Dominion you get people underneath you get the weird class of people who just dino fanatics who will love anything and you get the other class of person who says like well why are you thinking too hard about it I thought it was really good fun it was enjoyable Jurassic Park was just a blockbuster don't think so hard about it so it was like okay I accept that you enjoyed Dominion is do you think really Dominion is accepting you enjoy it do you think it's as good as Jurassic Park and if you really push people on it the answer is usually no and the same thing is like with any summer blockbuster critic criticizes a Marvel film and people say why are you thinking so hard about a Marvel film it's just a blockbuster and you say okay is this Marvel film better than Jaws and they'll usually say no and then you can start having that interesting conversation as to why okay I accept you kind of liked it when you watched it but if you're saying yourself that it's not as good as the blockbuster used to be maybe it's time to start asking questions as to why that is and it might just be the case that you know people sort of subliminally understand that there's a deterioration in quality they don't mind it too much but they know it's there but they don't really understand why that difference in quality exists until they're invited to start asking the questions by comparing it to an equivalent film from 20 or 30 years ago you also have to bear in mind that a whole generation of people where this is their entertainment this is their experience and a lot of people don't go back and watch like films from the 80s the 90s or anything that's old I want to watch new stuff so this is the bar it is safe to say that there's probably kids these days who when you start up a new hope they'd be like it's old yeah like oh man well I'm pretty sure that there are people who just won't watch films in black and white and it's like man she's just missing out on like a huge portion of films just what a weird thing to get hung up on I'm assuming you guys are similar but there are some films made that era they're just like head and shoulders annihilate the films that are coming out today a lot of them anyway it's a weird thing as well like if you start watching Babylon 5 now especially the CG iron stuff it's so awful that it does make you think wow this is terrible but as you watch it it kind of blends together and you forget and so when they show that scene it only pulls you out at first and you kind of get drawn in it's a bit like VR if you use VR the graphics especially at first were awful they could be pixelated but your brain eventually just accepted it it's like oh this is my world now as long as you're enjoying it I imagine that's the phenomenon forgetting very immersed in something like animation you'll eventually just contextualize it all as alive real and you're immersed instead of being like drawings that part will just go eventually even the worst of 3D animation you'll eventually just be like well that's a ship in space but yeah but it looks really bad yeah but it's really consistent so my brain can just register it the way that it's intended at certain points and the brain is very good at doing that of just accepting what's being presented when the surrounding story is so well put together as it is in Babylon 5 as well as the actors doing such a great job and it's such an involved world it's like yeah eventually just that shitty CGI little thing over there it's like that's fine yeah and you'll find with things cause I saw a load of comments when people were like well if you went through the Lord of the Rings trilogy like this then picked it apart like this then you'd have the same problem yeah but I never felt like I needed to cause I was thinking about other things caring about other things you can find stuff to be critical of when you nitpig Lord of the Rings for sure but you simultaneously will find loads of things to be hyper praiseworthy of which you don't find in Rings of Power when you slow it down yeah and the thing with the Rings of Power is I'm so bored that I find myself thinking that's a really stupid line so I find myself focusing on everything else I'm not bored anymore I was bored after that episode I just saw it's more of a I'm wired in a bad way now it's got me there it's got me closer to that She-Hulk level where I am definitely not bored I'm just transfixed on how terrible everything is oh anyway I don't even know what we were responding to exactly there but hey I was probably like favorite Simpsons moment or something yeah it was Daredevil's cost compared to oh yeah yeah Daredevil didn't yeah that's right would you consider having Deck of Shadow on if you decide to watch through the Monsterverse Monsterverse is that it's not the same as the Kong? I mean hell if you'd like to yeah you can join us for that could you objectively confirm whether or not One Piece is real it is as far as I know yeah One Piece is a real anime I haven't seen it Cosmoronic looking a little different today Fringy I guess they're saying it's eFap I don't well haven't done episode for a while I need to get on that I've just been I'm working on this video and I don't want to stop working on it and so yeah you'll get one eventually versus matchup Ratchet and Clank versus Jack and Daxter Ratchet and Clank are winning that one I wouldn't actually know I know my Ratchet and Clank but I don't know much about Jack and Daxter is it Ratchet and Clank Ratchet and Clank have access to weapons that Jack and Daxter don't have they live in a sci-fi world kind of to be fair but like I guess one of the things is that maybe because Jack has like dark ego powers so that might sort of level it out Just to clarify for chat this is a fight to the death between those four people but two groups of two Well yeah the two of them working together I think that Ratchet has access to weaponry that Jack can't account for if we presume that they basically have free reign over a bunch of the weapons but it might be a close one because of that that might be a close one because of Jack's is more powerful innately Tough one How would you rank the episodes from worst to best How? That's tough I think they're just I think they're just looking for us to rank I'm not like asking us the metric by which we would do it necessarily I mean we could talk about that if you want to We only have to We try to go by most inconsistent for worst least inconsistent for best which puts The episode one is the best then Probably one and two are the best I have a feeling that the order is going to be from worst to best 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 It's possible It might actually be I might put 4 before 5 It's hard to tell So little Numenor stuff happens in 5 Actually funnily enough for me I think 6 is the worst It is clear but 5 was shockingly bad when we covered it I didn't realize how much it was It's so awful It might be 6, 5, 5, 2, 1 It might be that The more they do the worse it gets It does unravel more as it goes along Which does make some sense like that That's the same case for everything It gets harder to keep everything in line The longer you go on but like These in one You could maybe give a shit You either die or live long enough to create the rings of power Oh I hope we're only getting the one form of this you know There Ragu have you had a job akin to being an English teacher because I've noticed you are very thorough when it comes to word spelling and sentence structure Just the basic stuff I suppose but No, I was never an English teacher I don't have any English education apart from just what you learn and through schooling and whatnot I never took any English classes in college I've just I've read a lot And when you read a lot You just sort of absorb it It's like diffusion You just absorb all of that Information And you notice things And I suppose I really like the language And I think we should give it a lot of respect Because languages are very important things And I think that unfortunately Especially when it comes to typing things out People put Shockingly little effort into What is essentially a very Very important aspect of being a human Which is conveying your thoughts to other human beings I really I really like The language I think we should treat with More respect and more effort All right My very first super chat has to go To the long man started watching Hot D because of you guys hopefully And will be better than Game of Thrones Go team Matt Damon Targaryen Well, yeah Hope you're enjoying it hope it stays I wanted to be good overall Okay, that would be very nice I pretty much have this approach with everything in media It would be nice if it was all good But Dosh Dawn, she's gonna stay realistic Approach it one by one, see how it goes Yeah, nice we're gonna I feel like we have Ewned a new episode tonight after all the shit we've been doing This past week for She-Hulk and Rings of Power Hope it's a good one Our brains need a rest We just need to go outside in a forest Just Just rest We got this one which is a reference to What Savahide said it says Little platoon I'm coming to kiss your cheek Metaphorically, no in real life Why are they? Fine meadering first and we can talk about it Did anyone else get the impression any media made By Amazon would become corporate soulless trash I mean look at their games Their games? I'm not familiar with their games They have games? I'm just not familiar with their games I suppose they have a game studio Yeah, New World is an MMO They released another one which got taken off sale I think after three days Because it just bombed and then they Said they were gonna fix it and never did it Just never came out New World with a big hit at first Josh Drive Haze did some good New World videos If you wanna see what happened to it Alright, yeah Hey Rax, as a dog would you say Your favorite drink is compucha? Aha, I'll see myself out It's hilarious No, no it's not My favorite drink is I don't even know what my favorite drink is I legitimately think that Probably more so than food My favorite drink is very contextual If you were to say What was the best drink you ever had Then it might have been A simple humble coca-cola That was drunk from a mug While I was at summer camp When I was in Boy Scouts There would be a store at summer camp This was Gus Blast Scout Reservation In Arkansas I think it's named after Rockefeller now But it's Gus Blast in my heart And it's a big old place It's like a big old forest Mountain plate It's a whole like reserve It's Scout Reservation And depending on what merit badges You took for your classes during the week You'd have to go to different locations Which might entail potentially A decent amount of walking around On the Arkansas heat But I remember that I had It was eco-con Ecology conservation Was not Yeah, it was eco-con, yeah It was on the way there From a different class Which I believe might have been Tearing But I can't remember specifically I remember the pavilion for it On the way was the trading post Where it was basically the store You could buy Scout knickknacks And doodads and pinewood derby stuff And knives It's like a little mini outdoor store But they also had candy and drinks And I remember, man Arkansas heat You're walking around all over the place And you can go in there Putting your mug and take along the way It was just the best drink ever Because it was all contextual Um So I don't know what my favorite drink was But that might have been one of those moments Because I remember it to this day So it must have been very, yeah Really, really good, it was wonderful You suck on the ice Once you're done drinking it And you still have the ice in there You just savor it all Every last drop Because if you bought You want to have a mug on Because you get money off If you buy the mug Plus it's just a good thing to have You want to have it with you So you can constantly fill it up with water At the different pavilions And teaching stations You got to hydrate Rags look sad today I am not sad I don't even think my picture is sad That doesn't look like a sad picture That's an expression I'm going for It's not quite sad, I think I'm hungry Yeah, mine is I think I'm pretty neutral I'm just watching all this I got my pumpkin and my hat Because I did four years of wizard witch school Got my degree And now I'm just, you know, I'm earning Did we ever find out what house The sorting hat put you into Oh, I'm Slytherin Oh yeah, I'm one of the bad boys Hi Rags Hello Is Rings of Power a better adaptation of Tolkien's work Than Shyamalan's Aragon or The Last Airbender? I mean I don't know enough As far as I know it's all horrible, so Yeah, I don't know I haven't seen, I've read At least two of the Aragon books I think I saw the movie I remember it being very bad But I can't really remember anything that happened in it And I haven't read Silmarillion So I couldn't tell you how accurately It really conforms To the Tolkien lore I imagine not very well from what I've been hearing I'd have to see all that again Is there inherent value in claiming Based on another work Even if only in name to sell it Can you say that question one more time? Is there inherent value in claiming It's based on something Even if only in name to sell it Inherent value? No, I don't think so No, I wouldn't say there's inherent value in that Then what do you mean by inherent value? I mean, there would be inherent value I guess inherent financial value If by basing it, claiming you've based it on a known IP You're getting more money from that That's the kind of inherent value Because the property has I was just going to say what they mean What exactly do they mean by inherent value? If we just say there's value in it Then is there value in it? Is there value in it? Leave inheritance out of that But I mean, it seems to be There seems to be great value in taking Of course, why they'll do it, isn't it? Exactly, that's why they do it They didn't all just decide one day that they'd do it I think being able to leech off the success And notoriety of something else Is instantly just puts you a step ahead Of making your own new thing The problem is the more things they destroy That Pissing off enough people that then Go to the next thing And they already don't trust them with that So these companies are destroying their reputations As they do it And I don't think that's something you can do long term You can't keep buying new IPs And doing it when you've got a bad reputation For always destroying everything you buy Disney's been going for a while I hope this is something Happens to them as a result We'll see I would say that knowing that there's an effect Disney's reputation is in the fucking toilet now Well, yeah, their reputation's been destroyed But also, they've kind of got Loads of IPs because they've got Sort of all of Marvel So each one of them acts like a new brand But if you take something like Lord of the Rings There is no other Lord of the Rings It's the biggest one that you've destroyed And so anything they go from this point on Is it the biggest or the most revered? If you go buy books sold I think it only loses out to the Bible Pretty big at that point Oh, we're using book sales as it Well, I'm a fantasy IP Yeah, individual units sold in relevance Culturally it's going to be pretty good indicators But I would say like Lord of the Rings is still one of the bigger competitors Yeah, but like Star Wars and Marvel are the ones So As you just said though, to kill Marvel You have to kill all of those individuals Which they're doing a good job of, they're getting there They're moving through all of them Got a couple left Raccoon is one of the only characters left In Marvel that hasn't been fucking annihilated Ironically, yeah But he'll have his turn, I'm sure Raccoon in space Hey rags Hi I watched AVP for the first time I laughed my ass off with a predator gestured An explosion with his hand and the girl has to say It's a bomb I remember that, it's funny He points to his little wrist thing And then makes a little like With your hand where you make a fist Then she's like, whoa, it's a bomb Oh yeah, that's fine Let us not forget That old man falling from the sky Ties all the timelines together There is no way all these timelines work when we know that By the way A Super Chat last stream said Studio Trigger, people who did edge runners Did Star Wars visions They only did one episode on visions That's an anthology Animation Studios did other episodes Yeah, okay, so that's not Indictive that edge runners would be bad I mean, people said the visions Was good, some people did Indicative I don't know about that Guys, it's very clear Every elf structure has an incase of orc emergency Rope attachment Hi rags First off, hello Second off, I could almost believe that's true Case of orc F1 The cold protocol for elves F1 should be an indoor sport F1 F1, amazing Yeah I think we're talking about go-kart I don't think so Because if it's roof, that creates a closed space Where you have all these vehicles Constantly putting Is this some kind of reference to this happening Or something? I'm assuming it's It brings a power What the flux happening The only interesting thing about F1 is the crashes So I'm all for anything which increases their frequency Okay So, do the half-foot have small feet? I would assume that they have small feet But it's relatively larger Compared to their body size Than you would see on a human I don't think a hobbit foot is as big as a human foot But when you consider the size of the hobbit It is proportionally Larger to its body I would assume This wouldn't fly Under the patrician's watch Don't know what that means either I'm afraid I don't think rags would enjoy the Silmarillion But chapter 11 of The sun and moon and the hiding of Valinor Is the chapter about setting of the sun The Akalabeth Is the downfall of Numenor Alright It would be fascinating If they even try And do that in the season It brings a power How would they even depict The world A being flat And then B being rounded And then there's massive floods That floods a lot of north Western Middle Earth And that includes large parts of Linden Where Gilgalad's capital is And it's this hue Numenor gets drowned And Valinor gets buried For all time Along with his men And he's only to be released When the equivalent of the book of revelations Happens, it's the final battle Which is sort of hinted at throughout the Silmarillion And then he will be set free And then he will take part in that big last battle Is redemption It's all this really rich myth and world building That we'll get absolutely nothing of But if you're interested in that kind of thing Actually read the Silmarillion, it is worth it Alright W.H. Fantasy character of the day Is village The cursing Abused runt of a barbarian tribe He prayed to the god of change for help And awoke fused to his brother with full control Of their body Oh Sounds kind of scary The god of change Who gives you stuff you're looking for But maybe not in the way you thought That sort of stuff Village The cursing also known as the master of Misrule And the twisted twin Is a powerful mutant chaos sorcerer of Zeich Permanently fused to his more muscular brother Thaumann by the will of the changer of ways Can you get you a little picture Here A little picture Master Blaster Master Bringy who is your favorite Looney Tunes character Daffy duck Daffy duck, any reason why He's the funniest one to me And also I guess I Like his He's always He just can't do it He can't get what he wants He just never pans out Which often makes For more interesting and entertaining Stories Not to Deny that Bugs Bunny is also really Great too though When his story is usually a little bit different Be Daffy duck and then probably Bugs Bunny I don't really like the coyote as well I like Wily coyote a lot But yeah, Daffy duck is top tier He's a tragic character Wily He is tragic That's why I like him I feel bad for him I do Please bang Bang, ban, Wong posting And Wong posters It's impossible to talk about the topic being discussed In chat during that terrible spam It's so unfunny You might want to go to discord Yeah, I'm not sure how to really approach that There's a problem here There's a bit of logic I use every once in a while With certain things It's hypothetical You allow a lot in your eFap chat Would you allow a spam And it's like no, we usually knock out any individual user For spamming the same thing over and again It's like what if it was that But it was individual accounts All posting once And it was the same thing And it's like well at that point That's just eFap chat You get to control Yeah, you guys get to control the quality of the chat If You all want that I said this when the Doctor Strange video Was premiering in the chat I didn't ban anyone, I just said If this is how you want to spend the chance You have to talk about these topics That's it Having just asked to ban reference to Wong You've guaranteed the rest of the chat All evening is going to be Wong And then we'll try and find a way around it And then there'll be an obvious post of just like really So you guys are allowed to just mess around With the jeb bush sort of memes The chat can't I don't think I want to pull the line that far Where we ban chatters When they get obsessively posting Their movie titles If enough people want to do a meme In the chat Then enough people want to do it I know I prefer Seeing everybody getting involved in the topic But if chat want the Wong post Then we'll just carry on So that the listeners can still Get the stuff they're looking for They can still post your paragraph Your involvement in the conversation And we can still see it They can't Wong post that fast But honestly I think with everything Give it a bit of time and Wong posting Will disappear because it won't be as funny anymore That's just how it goes Don't worry about it Mythbusters tested smashing Both empty and full beer bottles Against a dummy head Both were very not good for your head Was one worse though? Yeah I thought You would let us know which one was worse I feel cucked I do feel cucked too I feel like you haven't Been completely honest with us You've let us on to the advantage Of our curiosity The Last Kingdom Is a great show and has great battles On Netflix also Castlevania Is great on the cyberpunk anime Alrighty It's times like this I feel like my fat Alright It's times like this I feel like you're my fat girls And I'm your feeder Alright It's a thing It's alright Moly you're ready for the 44 hours Of upcoming rings of power this season Dapper Yeah this 44 hours It's been many hours to me personally By the way I'm really glad that Andor takes death Seriously also high rags Hello I mean I'm not even sure exactly The fact that people die Or the fact that deaths have repercussions Um well we had Our guy who basically got shell shocked By all that happening People are actually caring about the lies of their Comrades Death doesn't seem like a glorious passive thing Yeah that's fair Dogs If I was you I'd kill myself Kanye West Vote for Kanye West Alright Everyone involved with this episode All high fived each other and said Wow we're amazing we nailed it Yeah I wouldn't be surprised about that Yeah they probably did They think that this is a very triumphant show Springy I love your avatar Is this an emu warrior Is this a new character or just a cool doodle Hi everybody No emus warriors This is my assowary It's my halloween Profile picture How old is the sword and how did waldrig get it Passed down from his ancestors That's the only answer I could possibly have I don't know Maybe he just found it He was walking around one day and he's like oh look at this That's pretty neat Looks pretty evil it's probably something to do with my Good lord morgoth I don't know Looks like a spooky morgoth sword It could be a couple of thousand years old If it came from during the time of the war with morgoth Which I guess it must have done So it could well be a thousand, two thousand years old You know I've never understood elves in peters Or amazon's elves They are immortal but they die so they're not immortal Right or am I just wrong Depends on what definition There's a couple definitions of immortal One of them is that you do live forever But someone can still kill you Cause you're not invincible or invulnerable Or have a last name Yeah you won't die of old age essentially Yeah you'll just stay at a particular age You'll stay at a particular health But someone can still shoot you in the head and that'll kill you Vampires for example are immortal Or at least they're considered immortal in certain It depends on the fiction, it depends on how the word's being used But I will say it's Sometimes creatures that are Immune to everything are called immortal And so it can be confusing sometimes It depends on like I said the writer at that point Let it go N-word Oh he's talking about the knifeiest guy Yeah well he's dead No more racism From him Wings quarter of the day Whining, almost crying Sniped, sniped, sniped, sniped, sniped Ah look at me, I have a sniper Im playing Hot or something presumably My guess That is a good question This isn't really canon, the rights are not owned To make this canon I think So yeah it could be a separate continuity I would have to check how the rights work For how this and the The Jackson films relate to each other at all Or if they do at all I assume There's a way to separate them out into separate continuities By rights On the L-O-T-R fan wiki Thing it's listed as non-canon Good Yes That was the only good news I had today when I looked it up The whole Turning the sword slash key affecting Geography and causing weird magic was done Before and lost, another bad reboot project Oh when they moved the island Yes Amazon Have an active technology Partnership with IGN's parent Company Ziff Davis So they're most likely compromised as a Media outlet in general And not compromised, they were just useless As a source of information This is where I mean I always find it weird, but I guess I'm a part of it Like criticizing IGN for the shit he takes Like I remember doing that back in like Back when I first started watching YouTube IGN's always being shit on Yeah I feel like I'm talking Too many normies watch it Walker is still the best phase four character Certainly new character I think he gets that Yeah I don't even know if it's close Who else would Yeah I was gonna say who else is there We talked about new characters Cause established characters Spider-Man Yeah new characters I don't know who would be competition as new characters What's up My digger orcs That could be construed as offensive Orcs Yeah we're not orcs My first video game was Halo 1 At a friend's house Map with Sidewinder with CTF It holds up today, Halo 1 is more than fun More fun than some games coming out today I'm sure it is Yeah Halo 1 is great, it really is It holds up super duper well I think Halo 1 was my first person shooter I'm not sure what my first one would have been I guess mine would have been quite great Or does that count as a first person shooter Yeah that's the first person shooter of course I don't associate it that way but yeah it is It might have been Halo as well for me Halo City At a friend's house And his room was upstairs And his older brother was playing Fable 1 And then he wrapped up So that we could play Halo Bring the Xbox downstairs To the big TV And play Halo Yeah Lord of the Rings on Prime Subreddit is a treasure trove of bad reasons Why the show is good You should give it a look sometime It takes a baffling It's all the same shit we get every time This is a fantasy show Babies or children They'll have to say teenagers To try and argue why it doesn't matter It's magical, it doesn't have to make sense Oh my god It's like they've never seen anything before It's just like the Jackson films Same flaws The Jackson films are actually terrible It's gonna be the same shit I wonder if they've done the same kind of thing That the Wheel of Time one did though Because for that they just started point blank banning anyone Anyone that didn't like the show that would ban you And so they had to set up their own Other subreddits It went crazy Yeah that happened with the Star Wars stuff The Game of Thrones stuff And Splinter when the new thing comes out The way the world is going It's that they assume that anyone That criticizes the show is doing it in bad faith Like you actually really like it But you just want to dislike it It's a bizarre view Galadriel equals Rey Arondia equals Finn Bronwyn equals Rose Tico I think I actually prefer Rey to Galadriel Yeah I do too Rey is a lot less abrasive She's like lame and annoying But Galadriel is He has a tempest in Yeah I hate Galadriel She's such a cunt The person who wrote Chernobyl Wrote the scary movies and hangovers equals Huh Okay I guess maybe Things he never wanted to work on He really wanted to make a Chernobyl show Who knows That's weird You go from making disasters to making a documentary about a disaster I can kind of see the leap I think it's quite common as well I don't remember who it was There was a comedian who said Every comedian wakes up and hit like 30 or 40 And they just suddenly want to be taken seriously And every serious person wants the other They suddenly want to be a comedian It's just the grass is always greener Now he's sure running the last of us We'll have to see how that turns out We have also Neil Druckmann as executive producer If you want an example Of a Game of Thrones story from a Tolkien perspective Look up Queen Berothiel And her cats She used her 10 cats to spy on her enemies She used her 10 cats to spy on her enemies She used her 10 cats to spy on her enemies Okay Alright, cool Good for them The tower falling scene is very much like The river on fire from Game of Thrones Letting the enemy advance and crushing them with a trap You could argue it's like that You could argue it's like that Just there's a little bit of an absurd mechanism Just there's a little bit of an absurd mechanism going on in there That's all As much as I'm loving all the extra e-fabs Don't burn yourselves out Forever after all Well, so we're going to technically take a week off now In this episode that you're listening to We'll release on Like a week from today Yeah, pretty much a week from today The episode we did yesterday will release tomorrow Um And so we on that actual Saturday When it comes around we might do something else You know, like go outside and eat food I don't know We'll go outside and eat food And sleep outside And all those things outside Everything we normally do inside will be doing outside By then, episode 7 will have released And we probably will already be activated Like ready to actually do another episode or something Yeah It takes a lot to burn myself Rags I'm freeing you all out from talking about Media that's either shitty or Something we really want to talk about in general It takes a lot We've got a lot of experience in this field Harry Potter has outsold Lord of the Rings In books And in brackets it says still bad I didn't actually know that I would have thought Lord of the Rings sold more but Hey, fair enough Harry Potter I know but Lord of the Rings has been around for so long You know, you would have thought that That's true but Harry Potter has been around for 25 years right And considering the amount of movies And the steady release of them And it got like a double dip Because all the books came out And then all the movies came out Wait, I thought they said that the books are When the movies come out and premiere the books Yeah I guess that would apply Lord of the Rings to Yeah, Tolkien took off very slowly as well It wasn't a huge reach until A good sort of 10-20 years after when he It really built slowly in publicity And in popularity even Then it becomes big after Harry Potter was just Flying off the shelf from the beginning I imagine Harry Potter might be in that category Of books that gets a lot of Coffee sold because schools buy them Whereas I'm not sure how many schools Are buying Lord of the Rings And maybe it's a broader age demographic For Harry Potter That's true as well Yeah You guys should check out Fable And Fable the killer who doesn't kill It's a live-action adaptation Of a good manga and it's got a few Tisms and One character is underdeveloped But I think you'll enjoy it I'll keep that in mind Andorke is about Blunt Force Damage It killed a guy I'm not even Blunt Force Damage Yeah, the guy that Attacked Seems like a lot of people Wait We talked about the initial scene Where you hit him in the face I think some people found that hard To believe rather than I can absolutely believe it Especially if you fall uncontrolled And then hit your head on the concrete Yeah It's like people who get Sucker punched and then they fall down And hit their head on the concrete And die because of it Like I said before Human beings are simultaneously Resilient and frail Also, Fringy's Casuari reminds me of Fungali Does it? They said I don't see it Are we talking about Batty? I don't know Maybe Kratos will die in God of War 6 Maybe Who knows Find out I suppose And with that one we are caught up With today's So we'll likely end there But before we do that I know it was just yesterday we did this But I mean, here's for a little platoon Thank you so much for hanging out with us How about You guys once again Not as if there's any updates Since literally hours ago Like what are you up to What's ever that's happening on the channel Because this will be out next week On the Mula channel So at least that you know We'll have been a whole week before they've heard this before So yeah, Disbrew what are you up to Why should people subscribe Disbrew on YouTube at the moment of covering Rings of Power and She-Hulk mainly I like to review Really terrible television and rip it apart In as entertaining as Funny way as I can Honestly at the moment If I want to watch something good I go back a long way to watch it And the way I Get my entertainment out of modern TV Is just making those videos and ripping it apart Apart from that In the off times where there's nothing to review I do sort of pop culture news and stuff And cover it that way But yeah, the reviews are definitely The favorite part of what I do Cool Yeah, and you've said before you've covered Wheel of Time season 1 and 2 already Right? Oh yeah, Wheel of Time is It's a book series that I've like Had in my life for Maybe like 25, 26 years So I will be covering Wheel of Time Till the end of time Those videos end up going long when you're hyper-passionate Oh yeah, my Wheel of Time reviews were like 2 hours or something, an hour and a half 2 hours for each one And that was me There were some of the first videos that really took off for me And so I was heavily editing them There was one time I remember I cut out like An hour of just me talking about the first 5 minutes of the show It was like no one's gonna watch this But that's how much the 5 minutes of that show Had destroyed the law I have to go in and explain to people That haven't read the books exactly why this is so awful And then in the editing I'm like No one will care about this so I had to cut it out Those videos I know one of them I think I always publish them 3 days later But I lost my voice twice in the recording Because I recorded for so long On each single one I just had to take a break That's passion though, isn't it? It's a passion for the story Oh I'll never forgive them for what they've done to that show Because it was all there for you All you had to do was just put it on the screen And you decided to make an entirely new Story and just It really comes across as if it's made by someone Who actively hates What they're writing about It wasn't just I think I can improve this or make it better It's like I need to destroy these people It's a horrendous series Well, yeah, awesome Link in the description All platoons, same question So you've answered a couple of times Find a new snazzy way of answering it Why not? What are you up to? I can always find New ways in which to say the same thing Yeah, it's So at the moment I've got this Andor video which at the time of recording this That will be going out I think tomorrow And then it's straight back To Rings of Power And I'm sort of trying to make Rings of Power It's all video essays and the like And I'm trying to make the Rings of Power One sort of the As comprehensive as I can get away with Sort of with time constraints as well On the episode three review Still, that's going to be at least I think two and a half hours Imagine episode four is going to be similar And it's probably only going to get longer from there The last one was a couple of hours as well But that's the introduction The idea is to try and combine What we've done here, like straight criticism Of the plot of the narrative of the writing As well as sort of tying it into This is where the law is relevant This is the alternative that could have been Or should perhaps have been depicted instead The alternative was better And to try and sort of make it as As comprehensive as possible So that's sort of the big ongoing project Because they're long videos and they take a long time To put together, like that will take A little while to get out So I'm falling ever further behind The show, every new episode comes out And I'm one further episode behind So that's like the main one And I might sort of come back to She-Hulk Occasionally just because It hasn't really piqued my interest in the last few episodes But the last couple of videos were quite well Received on that one Andor is kind of still intriguing So I'm trying to I think probably cover a bit too much At the moment and it's a case of sort of picking And choosing and I'm still Just about balancing it with the day job stuff Although I might be Junking that at some point It's crazy after like less than a year of the channel But they're sort of in a position to get rid of that In which case more time for more videos But the schedule is Andor rings of power And then I'll probably be solidly rings of power For a little while and I'll fit other things in where I can Well, in two weeks from now Both yourself and Disparu Excitedly invited back to cover The final two episodes of Rings of Power with us If you'd like Invitation excitedly accepted Thank you We're looking forward to it For it'll be really short Nice and quick I guess, yeah, so links in the description Of course for those The new one just came in fleems I want to make sure I said that Fleems and then Fuck Mara Kill Chunli, Kami and Juri Of which I do not recognize Any of them You don't know who Chunli is I know the name but I don't know the The fighter lady And you don't know who Kami Chunli, Kami and I'm presuming the third one Are all street fighter characters Yeah, I don't play street fighter at all Ram, I figured that even just through like Just participating in video games You'd have some Passing familiarity with it Yeah, Mahler, what the fuck Well, I already said I know the names I don't know the characters I didn't play the games I can't help you I'm so sorry I wish I could But I'm just so, so I'm caved well when it comes to Select games, which I'm gonna fix over time Yeah, looks cool Have you not played Mass Effect? We talked about this many times I just, I don't know I figured because I know that Rags has definitely played them He has Yeah, okay Well, yeah, there's always that list I can't remember which game it was recently that I realized I needed to Was it Soma? Well, I mean there's Soma but beyond Soma There's other games That I still need to play Wow I mean, also I think new questions are coming Aha Have you seen the Tolkien Untangled Channel? He has a series on how rings of power Should have been made to stay true to Tolkien Highly recommend I have not I knew you guys I've heard it recommended a couple of times But I haven't checked it out yet I haven't Oh shit, also Ask the question, so I will Which is better, Halloween or Christmas? Oh From an entertainment perspective I'd prefer Halloween because I love Watching people play like horror games On stream and stuff, I think that's awesome But if I had to choose one it would be Christmas For like the experience Alright That's virtually identical Yeah, you and the platoon had the most Amicable answer I think that Myself and Rags are willing to both accept As opposed to killing one of you I get the feeling Halloween is not that big In the UK I don't think it is, no, but it's big in my heart So that's all about it I think it produces a lot of great Content to watch and Like just people doing scary games Is hilarious to me, I could watch them all do Yeah man, absolutely I mean I want to stream some spooky stuff this year But it's coincided directly with trying To set up for God of War But don't worry guys, I'll play something spooky I think Matt is doing like a spooky arc Playing games as well But Fringy did for sure Promise to play Soma On stream, he did So what I floated As an idea which I think I'm leaning towards preferring is Recording myself playing it But not doing it on stream and then uploading it To me it seems like It's the best, I get The impression that I would be distracted If I was playing it live I would just naturally be distracted by paying attention To stream stuff But at the same time I can appreciate And understand that it would be interesting Wouldn't it be worth testing out A different lesser of the important horror game To see if that's the case So that you don't potentially miss out on anything Well I mean it could just be like a lesser Like just any game Cause I kind of It's complicated I played Splatoon I was playing the campaign On stream it's like yeah but I don't really I don't need to pay attention to story really I'm sure I'll upset some people But I don't need to but if I was playing something else Like I don't know if I would want to play God of War On stream I'd feel like That's a game that again I'm worried That I would not be paying full attention We'll test it Yeah I could test This is the thing like the reality is That I would tell you this and I assume any streamer Would tell you this a little while Come out whenever you want whenever you're engrossed In whatever's happening chat just disappears Um oh well sure I guess there's that but there's also just Making sure that the stream's not going floopy Either paying attention to those Yeah I'd imagine it shouldn't be too hard right You've got multiple monitors Sure but I mean even then I don't know I don't know if more I'm just telling you my preferences Yeah I'm telling you fucking wrong You're testing out find out the true glory Of streaming story driven games Are you gonna accept that answer Of course and then I'll ask you how you figured that out And then I'll test your answers against reality Sure but it's not a matter of Testing answers against reality If we're talking about like it's gonna be hard To just figure out subconscious preferences isn't it We can we can talk about it for sure I guess I'm just saying like Don't get your hopes up Just trying to save you from missing out That's all I know I know For metal and chat he knows Knows what's up I'm trying metal I'm doing my best Well did you play Kotor 2 Oh I haven't I need to play Kotor Best Have you not played the first one No I haven't played neither of them Oh yeah Play it before the remake eventually comes out I think that's not coming out for years now Yeah well that's a rave It's the project is sort of Derailed I think But the earliest And the writer they hired for it Was not I think they would have ruined it Well wasn't it Because there were a bunch of tweets That she'd made where she was like was it criticizing Or like sort of shitting on Star Wars Or was it something else I know there was a lot of drama I think not only did they not like Star Wars But there was a lot of sort of Ideological stuff With them as well Well I know it's like the common That we talked about it on the last stream But they're updating it for Modern I think there's this Remake that's happening It's like update for modern audiences And it's like You could just like remake Splinter Cell 1 Like it's not that old Like it gave us only 20 years old You could just like remake Splinter Cell 1 And keep the story the same You know the 2000s at this point might be A period piece how long Before setting something In the past becomes a period piece Like the 90s or the 80s Wow maybe period piece isn't The right way to describe it but you know It's kind of The thing with Kotor as well Is it didn't really need a writer It is a case of we really like this Don't mess with it because anything You change will spoil it And so we're going to do like an expansion Which is separate I think any writer would Inevitably make it worse What's kind of awkward when you start If you're remaking games like from 30 or 40 years ago In terms of like the way that they're presented That there are naturally going to be changes Because maybe they didn't have voice acting before Or maybe they just didn't even Really have like cinematic cutscenes And you want to have them Like that's one thing but when a game is only 20 years old Like you really don't need to change much Weren't they talking about changing the combat as well Which is a Well so at that point it's like a full Blown just complete remake Which I don't know if that's what anybody wants It's like I haven't played Kotor But I always hear that Wow but people like that Final Fantasy 7 remake right and that changed Heaps of things so I guess I guess but I don't know maybe just Does Does Kotor have the sort of I don't know Like respect that Final Fantasy 7 did Because I don't really know about Final Fantasy Fans yeah Kotor like That's games ever made right like it's pretty often There's a moment in Kotor Like if the purpose If the purpose of a story is to like make you Feel something and like leave a lasting Impression on you The moments in Kotor I never saw coming Maybe it was because I was a kid you know That kind of thing but it's always Stayed with me and it's kind of The ultimate kind of nostalgia around Things like that because of the impression I wouldn't want someone messing with it Well yeah I mean That's very much a way to sell it to me I'll get around to I'm gonna go through an era at some point Of playing a whole bunch of games I missed Including Uncharted by the way of which I Have 1, 2, 3, 4 ready to go Right well I'm curious to see what you think Don't worry for me I'm already getting Used to pissing people off with my My takes of being like I think I get the impression that your perspective On Uncharted is gonna be lower Than the average perspective including mine You ready for that chat You're gonna find me annoying but I'll argue I need to be ready for that I'll argue this as you brought it on yourselves Okay you want me to play them Depending on what you say about Uncharted 2 Like that's What if I come in and just like this shit Damn that would be a fight I think But yeah On that note that's it Was there anything for any rags You wanted to say before we go You know I don't think there is I'm shocked at how fast we got to the episode Yeah I'm too actually All I have is All I have is that it's man It's real close I'm just working on it I guess I'll just do a run through of like So what you can expect to happen now It's gonna be in actually One hour's time I'll be watching a new hot D episode And then an hour after that I'll be going live with Gary and Shad And possibly other guests to talk about it It's gonna be fun on the bun It's my reward at the end of the week that's how I see it Monday Now the previous yesterday's episode will come out on Tuesday Wednesday We are probably gonna run Something of either an offline or online Hatchup Friday should be nothing Saturday will be this episode coming out And then the Oh sorry Friday before that though you'll get Final Destination 1 That movie There you go that's something of a schedule Plenty of things out the way And yeah we do intend to wait until She-Hulk Unringed of Power now complete TV shows before you get any more coverage on them But who knows if we'll actually be able to complete Coverage of either show in one EFAP episode You know how it goes Who knows what'll happen Either way thank you so much for joining us Precious guests Thank you EFAP for Giving us some Interesting insights Some fun on the bun commentary and Very kind donation That's about it sleep well Or stay awake well whichever one you prefer We shall see you next time folks A little bit Goodbye everybody Goodbye everyone