 He seems to be higher, but that's vertical axis is in time. And basically he says time is an illusion, time is part of the ecosystem. So in fact we are complete equals. So in Jeanette's case where her boss basically ordered her to make a change in her behavior was in effect really ordering her to make a change in her mind. And when Jeanette affected a change in behavior perhaps is simply that that part of the mind of her Jeanette's mind which was already in there which recognizes love recognized the change of behavior as representing that thing that was already in her mind and so she just started listening to something else in her mind which was already in there. What was already in my mind kicked in and you know I understood that what was happening. I think there's a good section too in the teacher's manual that talks about our changes required in the teachers of God's situation. And basically the first sentence of it is changes are required in the minds of the teachers of God and basically he says in some cases there will be a change in external circumstances but to bring it back to the example in the sense that there's remember how we talked about the mind is being this very deep thing. I don't know if you were here at the beginning but we described it as this almost like a skyscraper with a decision maker at the basement who's choosing between the ego and the Holy Spirit every instant. And basically when one has willingness for a shift of mind it may seem to be that the externals are actually being the impetus or that are pushing us for other words sometimes people have an experience of feeling like like they don't belong in a particular job but they feel too afraid to leave and they feel too afraid to leave but they really feel like they need to be to someone else but they're too afraid to leave and it kind of goes on and on and on until finally they get fired. Someone could say well that getting fired from that job was the impetus you need to go on to that new job or that new whatever you need when actually the Course once again brings it back to the mind that it all has to do with our minds willingness to open up to the Holy Spirit and it certainly seems a lot of times as if there is an external impetus like a spouse leaving or a big change of jobs or one of those things which seems like a major shift on the outside but really that's just an interpretation that really it's all it always comes back to our own minds decision that our minds make the decision at a very deep level of mind and then whatever is outpictured in terms of even a boss coming to you and asking you to do something can seem to be the thing that really triggered it but it brings it back to our own responsibility again. Question do you find that people who want to take full responsibility and still believe in the illusion start feeling more and more guilty because they know they are responsible? Yeah I think that that's a big it's that level confusion again I think the biggest the biggest case of that that I find is I travel around this with sickness I mean here you are now you're studying a tool that's starting to say everything's a decision in your mind there's no external God that's punishing you and zapping you with AIDS and cancer and you know punishing you and there you start to see more and more that that the medical model in other words that you catch germs and all these things that I mean I grew up believing all that stuff that's what my mom taught me you know sanitation is important because you catch germs and so on and so forth or sun rays you know that you got to put the sunscreen on because sun can cause cancer well here comes Jesus and basically saying everything's a decision in your own mind that there's nothing outside in the world that's that's bringing about any of this that's a big turnaround so if everything's a decision and I'm and I'm have the ability to make those decisions then when sickness comes up when people start getting symptoms whether it's cancer or even colds and flus then the ego is very happy to see the mind go through a guilt trip you know because the mind's thinking well if I make decisions and I'm my mind is causative and I'm sick oh my gosh I'm making myself sick and then it can be like a loop you know where it's like oh my gosh but really what it is is it's a level confusion again because it's still a misidentification that the eye I'm making myself sick I'm making my self my body my teeny self it's still a belief that the mind thinks that it's a little person and that's the thing that that's where the mistakes come again in other words the Course is teaching us that we are infinite that we are magnitude that we are spirit that we are abstract light you know sometimes you might have heard of near-death experiences where people talk about this brilliant white light of unconditional love in a sense the Course is saying that's what your true identity is the Christ is a spirit created in the image of the Father the Father Spirit the Son Spirit Father's infinite the Son's infinite but with sickness or something like that the tendency is oh my gosh if I'm responsible I take that principle and oh my gosh look at this body look what I'm doing you take that principle and you put those two together self responsibility and look what I'm doing sickness and there's guilt really it just comes down to it's still a misperception of of who I think I am that's what it is misidentification is what it really comes down to I think I've shared I've had mind shifts and miracles where I've there's just been such an instantaneous shift in my mind that symptoms have left my body in an instant and you know those are very powerful kind of personal witnesses for me that this is he's not fooling here that I used the example with the flu where you know the thoughts were oh this is take 24 hours or 48 hours to get over this bug and da da da and then having such a powerful shift that that all the symptoms of nausea that diarrhea and everything is in an instant it really shows the power of the mind also what the course calls magic is the medical model operations pills you know all those extraneous things that we think are necessary for good health instead of watching our thoughts and letting go of the ego system of course in the ego system that lots of external things the course calls magic but the course is not anti-magic you know it's not like that pills are bad and that surgery is bad and that all these things but basically the course says that if you're too frightened to open up to the Holy Spirit you know and have a complete a mind shift or a miracle then perhaps you need a mix of magic and miracle in other words Jesus isn't saying that you you should just stay there as your head is robbing you know and or as something's happening you know and and you have the tile and all or whatever you know that you you feel like we could really do the job but you're just gonna stay there and and work this through because you know it can be the mind can be in such a fearful state that it's too closed down to the Holy Spirit and so Jesus once again is not anti-magic he just has had a little bit mix of the magic and miracle you'll go along you'll keep getting better your mind will get more highly trained and there will come a time when you can have the mind you'll be open to the mind shift and you'll you know in a sense the symptoms the pain or whatever will disappear but that's that's where the mind training comes in