 to the metal voice. George Lynch all the way in Montana. Good news all the way in Montana. I mean, if somebody's in Wyoming, that's not very far. New album is a Babylon and just been released October the 20th. You had a new video single that was released the center taken from that album. And right off the bat, what can people expect from this album opposed to the last album that you released in terms of musical styles or whatever you did? Well, first off, I think you remember the last record was that you were referring to the last lynchmark? The last lynchmark album, yes. And that was, I believe, I believe the last lynchmark record we did was the one that was sort of Wicked Sensation Reimagined where we recorded Wicked Sensation in a new style. It will kind of rewrote the songs a bit and I think that was the last record we did. Before that, I think it was possibly the Brotherhood. Yeah, 2017, yeah. Just the last original lynchmark record we did. That was with Sean McNabb and Jimmy myself and Oni. Yeah, it was the last record with Oni. And we had pretty lofty aspirations for that record. It was kind of interesting. We called it the Brotherhood for a reason because we were hoping that this would be the last incarnation, the final incarnation of the band and established that as the band would bring forward forever. And of course, the band broke up before the record was even released. So much for the brotherhood. So this record, Babylon, Lynchmob has been a revolving door obviously for decades. So on this record, what happened was we just, you know, we've got Gabriel in the band, some vocals, we've got Sharon on bass, Jimmy's playing drums myself. And we said, you know, forget about Wicked Sensation, forget about keeping everything together forever. Let's just put this together and just stop chasing the past and just be what we are. And that's with no aspirations other than that. And, you know, it's kind of a new chapter for us. And then all the things that I'd hoped for with all the other versions of the band since 1980, or I'm sorry, 1990, sort of just happened, you know, and the band has stayed together for a couple of few years. We've grown tight, we've grown friends, we have a great time, we laugh, we work hard, and it's a killer version of the band. It's just a ball of this box. So I'm like, you know what, I'm afraid of this falling apart. So what we're going to do is we're just going to, this is going to be it. This will be the final version of the band. We'll have this record to document that. It's a great record, I feel. And we'll go out and tour it for a year and I'll be off front and wide. And that'll be it. And we'll go out on our terms, rather than somebody spiriting away our singer and our bass player and me having to start over. And okay, here's the 27th version of lunch. Like that. So I'm done with that. So this will be the last version of lunch. We'll do our last tour, our last record. And that'll be the final chapter and the end of the story. And then go out with a bang instead of a whimper. Is it going to be like, like the Scorpions, they announced the, you know, the end of the, the retirement, we'll call it, but it'll be a never ending. It's like, as soon as, you know, they kept going, right? They're still retiring or they're still, it's their last tour, but they keep going. Is it going to be something like that where, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you're going to keep going. Yeah, that's what we're going to do. That's our plan. See, we call it the final ride, but then there's the final, final ride. Just kidding. And then there's the... Look, this is the biggest thing in music today. Everybody says it's the final, it's the final, final, final tour. And then it never is, right? This time we really mean it. This time you mean it. Sorry about that last time when we ride. No, no, no. No, this will be it. And we put a date on it. It's March, March 23, no, no, March 25. So 24, it's generally, you know, 2024 is going to be into the first three months of 25. And then the end of the last show is definitely March as a Rock cruise in 25. Did you sign any legal documents like Motley Crude did and said, look, it's 2025. That's the end. We've signed with a lawyer. But, you know, you don't want to go up against my lawyers, dude. I mean, I've got a really good team of attorneys. You might have heard of them. Do we cheat them and how? They're the best. I hear they're the best. They're the best. They're the best. Everybody laughs. I miss when they laugh because they're afraid. So you talk about the dream team. Oh my God. The dream team. That's right. That's right. If the glove don't fit. Babylon, what is that title? It's sort of like the times that we're living in. Is that kind of where that title came from? Well, can I be completely honest with you? And I don't like when people just between me and you go ahead and implies that implies all the other answers have been dishonest. But anyways, to be quite honest, I just saw the name somewhere, I don't know, whatever. And I thought it looked cool. And it sounded cool. And it sort of conjured up some cool imagery. And I thought, that's cool. And now, after the fact, you can apply all this different meanings to it. If you want, I do interviews and say, what does it mean? I go, well, it's the lexicon of a language of the human experience and all the content. Well, how about four different members? They'll speak a different musical language and then we all converge together on this album to speak one voice. Yeah, I can make up all kinds of shit. But it sounded cool. That's the main reason. It's probably a subconscious thing, too, like your environment, what's going on in the world today. And it kind of just fit perfectly, I would think, right? Or maybe just sounded cool. I think all the great titles and album titles and so forth in rock history are, people kind of apply their own perception and subjective meaning to it. So that's all, I'm just creating a word. I mean, I've just put a word on it. And people can mean whatever it means to them. I'm not dictating anything. I don't have any secret knowledge. Okay. It's good to know. It's good to know. Yeah, well, you know, his art, and especially rock and roll, is littered with all this sort of riddles. Yeah. Well, with, you know, lyrics that hint at secret knowledge that rock stars hold, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping there'd be something like that there, but yeah, yeah, yeah. You were hoping I would have the answer to the meaning of our meaningless existence. Yeah. No, sorry. All right. If I did, I'd be selling that instead of records. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you go out on tour as Lynch Mob, is there a certain percentage of docking material that you always do, or is it just strictly Lynch Mob? Well, we do. Well, over the past three years or so, we've been doing a lot of shows with docking, sporting docking, and in those cases, obviously, we can't play docking songs, except for Mr. Scary. But other than that, yeah, we do a healthy dose of docking material. We change our set every night on the fly. I mean, we literally will just call songs out, so we don't have a set list. But this is usually, you know, I say a good 30% of our set is docking. And now on the upcoming tour, we're going to change it up considerably, because we don't want anybody coming to the show and seeing the same show again. So, you know, that we did last year or whatever. So, we're going to have an acoustic kind of little microset in the middle of the set, and break things down, you know, with percussion and, you know, candleobbers and all that kind of stuff. And that's production, a little bit of production, and it's not kiss, you know, something. And, you know, trying to do that in value and keep things interesting for people and for ourselves. Has the door closed on you and Don playing the same shows together? I mean, as separate entities, like Lynch Mobb and Dockin, you know, is that something of the past? Or are you going to be It sounds like it's kind of run its course. Yeah, I think so. So, that's fine, you know. Yeah, so, you know, we did it for, I mean, it was a thing I've been pushing to do for many, many years. And I've been proposing the idea of different agents that I've had over the decades. And I never found anyone to pick up the ball and run with it until I started working with my present agency, which also represents Dockin. And Don and I are on relatively good terms, we're fine. And so it worked. And, you know, he agreed to it and we went out. And, you know, I always thought that the competitive kind of thing, the story, the bad story that people, if they were aware of it, would spur some interest. And, you know, and it worked. And I think that's healthy. That's entertaining. You know, it's interesting, like over the years, you know, I read, as a teenager, oh, George and Don can't get along. And then, you know, later on, well, it was really fabricated by the media. And then you read again, no, they can't get along like this back and forth of can they get along or did they get along? I mean, what's the real story behind all that? Did you get along? Well, I think in, I'm not gonna cast any dispersions or point any fingers, but I will say that just generally humans beings have a tendency maybe to mimic the narrative, if that makes sense. So, you know, you repeat a lie long enough that becomes stop being nostalgic and becomes true. So not the truth, but, you know. So you're saying self-fulfilling prophecy? Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. So, listen, I don't have any problems with people. I, you know, generally, I'm fine. And I'm also very forgiving if I do have problems with people. And that's water under the bridge, you know, with life is too short and too precious. So, I love people that like making those work and like fixing things and everybody getting along and doing things that matter that are of value. And so, I think all this kind of infighting is actually ridiculously silly. I don't buy into it, but not everybody feels the same as I do. So, I can't really change that. I listened to the new Dawkin album and I go, is this George Lynch playing on it? And John Levin, he always sounds like you. I mean, is that a compliment or is it kind of, I guess it would be a compliment? Somebody's got to sound like me. Well, I mean, his tone, his guitar tone, his playing, it sounds like you're playing on it. He's kind of mimicking, right? You in a sense, right? So, it's, I don't know, do you find it as a compliment or insulting or? I think that's the whole point of him. I mean, that's kind of what he's supposed to do. Insulting? No. I mean, I think it's, I feel that it's kind of, you know, absolutely a compliment to feel that you're worthy of being mimicked. You know, people apologize for asking you for your autograph or a picture on the street. I'm like, well, I'm, you know, I'm very thankful that I matter enough in some people's eyes to warrant being asked for my name written on a piece of paper. So, yeah, I'm not insulted by that. All right. All right. Back to the new album, the overall sound for, let's say someone who hasn't listened to it, what can they expect? Well, when I first heard it after it was all finished, you know, because when you get, when you're working on a record, you're real close to it. It's sometimes hard to really see it, you know, just on sight of it. But after the dust settled and we got through all the, you know, the mechanics of building, finishing your record, thought it sounded like Guns N' Roses. Okay. And they stole a lot of records, yeah. So here you go. You're good. How's the apple? Good. Apple's in Montana. Is it an apple? Yeah, they don't feed me very well here. Okay. You're on tour, I assume, right? No. No, you're not? No. You live in Montana? No. No. No. No, we've done some family stuff going on. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Um, I don't know, favorite tracks on the off, for me, I think it's, it sounds great, you know, I kind of like a race time after time. I'm ready. Is there any favorite tracks that you really, that stand out for you on this album? Um, well, no, I mean, you know, it isn't, it doesn't have that song, that one song, like Wicked Sensation, where you're so obviously, that's the name of the album, that's the first single, and that's the, going to be the number one song on the record. Nothing sticks, jumps out at you like that. And, and, and quite honestly, I've done, uh, probably released a couple of records since then and worked on even more records since then. So, in fact, I just finished what was going to be a Dirty Shirley second album, and I wrote and recorded all 11 songs in six days. Wow. And so that was in my head. And before that, I worked on some other record, I can't remember what it was. So I just, you know, I've just liked on this tear, I just, I don't know what's going on with me, but anyways, I've just been doing so many records every year. It's just crazy. I don't know why, but after I'm dead, they'll declare me a genius project. And it's the most dumb albums done very quickly. Let me ask you this. Do you find that sometimes when you overdo it, like you just mentioned, like so many albums, it kind of loses something because you're not as focused or you just, it just comes out of you and the creativity just sometimes you open this sort of door, right? Of creativity and just pours out of people. Yeah. I think all that's true. I think maybe, I don't know. I mean, certainly focus helps, you know, and helps to differentiate one record from another. But so does having a different band, a different singer, a different mixer, a different producer, you know, all those things matter. So, you know, I'm limited in my scope of what I can imagine and write, create and compose. So, you know, it's not that if like I just did one record every two years, it would be better. I don't know that that's true. You know, I just, I don't know, sometimes when you spend too much time on something, you ruin it as well. I've had that down, yeah, without radical or just never come back out and just chase this thing chasing, you know, killing what was beautiful about it. So, you know, I do like writing fast and being inspired and just capturing little lightning in a bottle for a second and moving on. You know, of course, you make it as good as it can be. And I've been doing this long enough where I think I know, you know, I sort of have a system for writing and using my time economically and being productive. So, and I pride myself in that, you know, because I'm somewhat ashamed of the fact that I had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and years making albums in the past that was a complete waste of time and money, I think in the band it ended up broke. Are you afraid to dock in the early years or? Docking and Lynch, early Lynch, but what was it? Yeah. How about Sweet? Michael Sweet anymore? You had a project not to long go with him, correct? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've done three records. Yeah. You know, you know, sometimes you have to look at work like work, you know, and I pride myself in that, you know, I'm considering myself a working musician, not a rock star. I pride myself in my work ethic and my productivity and considered what I do a craft and try to get better at my craft. And so when I take on a project, I look at it like that. But I also understand there's an intangible mystery involved that I love. And that's what is so fascinating about my work is, you don't have an intangible mystery in being a plumber. That's right. You know, I get to deal with these magical forces as well as the practical side of just mechanics of making music. There's also this kind of creative thing that's happening that's just mysterious and beautiful. So every project for me has both, that's two sides of that coin. It's so wonderful that it keeps it fresh and fun. It doesn't matter what project it is, it really doesn't. I mean, they're all challenging and they're all and that's what I do for a living too. And I pride myself on that. I've been able to, you know, raise, you know, families over the half a century consistently by being a musician. I mean, how rare is that? You know, I'm not a superstar, but I'm, you know, a consistently productive working musician that's raised wonderful families. And you've inspired so many guitarists, thousands upon thousands of guitarists with your guitar style playing, right? Yeah. I wasn't on the 200 Rolling Stones list of top 250 guitar players. Does anybody really care about the Rolling Stones guitar player? You know, no. According to Rolling Stones, I was, if the list was the top 251 guitar players, I would have made, but I just got, I just got left off just at the end. And actually, I think it'd be cooler to be number 250 rather than number one, because you're still at one end of the list, you know what I mean? That kind of is number one. Jimi Hendrix. Jimi Hendrix was number one, probably, I would think. I guess, probably. Maybe the guys who actually came up with that weren't even, you know, don't even know who Jimi Hendrix is. Yeah, some, it's probably some PJ Hardy, I think was number one, some Hardy, New York punk guitar, Rolling Stones legs. Yes. Yes. Yes. Your favorite and most underrated docking album that you find just doesn't get that love that it should have gotten. Underrated. I think, well, I'm sorry, I don't have any. Well, because I think all the records were rated properly, you know, and I think we've got a lot of appreciation for most of our records and the ones that were not as appreciated as well, like Shadow Life were for a good reason. Okay. Okay. So I don't think there's like some underdog record that people weren't aware of or, you know, appropriately appreciative of. Well, I mean, sometimes there's artists who say, you know what, I really love making this album, but if you ask me that about Lynch Mob, if you ask me that about Lynch Mob, I would say without a question, Rebel was, and then there was a very good reason for that. The record company dropped the ball, self-identity, big time with that record. They changed distributors, they had some kind of deal with Sony, I think, and it got all screwed up and it screwed all the releases up during that period. They had no distribution, so they had no since they have distribution, they didn't promote it. So basically, the record was completely ignored. And it was a problem. I would say it was our best record other than Wicked Sensation. And we were so proud of that record. We thought, oh, this, everything came together on this album. We were fired on all cylinders, only wrote great, he was singing great. I love the songs and the sound, it's fantastic. It was just a beautiful, beautiful record, beautiful experience. And it came out and just fell on deaf ears. Yeah. No, actually, it's a really good album. That was what, 2015, I think? Yeah, I just got re-released some new artwork on another later. Yeah. All right, well, that's it. Do you have anything else you want to promote or you want to talk about? Mr. Scary, Macintosh Apples. Happy George Lynch Apples, Ray. Comes with Chlamydia. No extra charge for the Chlamydia. Look at that. Come on, man. I sign every one. That's beautiful. Look at that. We could just, we could put that in some sort of museum. Lynch Mob, new album Babylon, you know, was released October 20th. Congratulations. And this is the farewell, the goodbye, the big goodbye. A big long goodbye. It's been a year and three months, 15 months of waiting goodbye. So this is the final tour, correct? This is, that's it. This is goodbye. No more. Yes. Okay. All right. You can, yeah, we're not liars like those other bands. Tell the truth when we say that's it. So count on it. So when you come and see the show, that'll be it, you know? There'll be no, you know, final, final, we were just kidding, final ride. Sorry about that last final ride. But you're going to continue to make music. I mean, it's just Lynch Mob that's sort of retiring, right? Yeah, it's Lynch Mob retiring. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do. I mean, that's really hard for me to say 15 months from now, what I'm going to be doing. I imagine I'm, you know, of course, I'm still going to play guitar. I don't know if I'll still tour aggressively or probably not. And I'll still record for sure. I'll still like, you know, I'm making plans to do a record, write and record another instrumental record next year. So, you know, there's a guitar at the end of the world is out there right now. That's my second instrumental record. So I'm going to do a third next year. And I've got some other things on the fire, you know, that'll always be hard. All right. Now, I'll just slow the pace down. All right. Well, thank you very much for being on the show. Yeah, man.