 Hello, Lucina. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Hello, Taylor. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Victor. So I think it's five after the hour, so should just start. Sure, sounds good. Go ahead and get started. Okay, so you're going to share your screen or should I just share it? You can share your screen. Latina, you can see my screen, right? Yes. Perfect. So I was just checking what you're having done the last few weeks. So regarding events, did you attend, like, as far as I understand, those events were in Texas, right? You connect to America and private by G. Do you have the opportunity to attend those events, Taylor? Or if you're speaking, probably you're on mute. I was. And I did not attend. The second one was actually top on TV. It was online. I'm connected to America. I don't recall where that was exactly, but I didn't go to those. We can mark them off as done now. So I'm also, I noticed that you also mentioned about the next coming meetings, like, so any decisions on that? I mean, I'm okay with after the QCon. So we can still keep it just in case. But I don't know. I don't know the rest of them. They want to keep it. I know that some of them want to see a recording from the QCon. So I'm okay to cancel the next two meetings and probably leave this as tentative. So probably Tom can suggest something, but I can. I, yeah, I'm not available for the week after QCon. Okay. So unless you and Tom want to move forward on it, I think a lot of people are going to be out. So you think that it would be much better to cancel it? I think we should probably cancel it in the week after we can have updates. Open compute is also happening the same way as QCon. So those people are less likely to join something on the following Monday. The people who couldn't come probably when I get an update, but they can wait two weeks. So yeah, sure. Let's cancel it. And also like the other thing that I was thinking is like we are going to have the gathering event. So probably, yeah, too much of who that can be. Probably, yeah, let's do the sync after that week. That is in May, right? Yeah. Okay. May 1st. May 1st. Yeah, May 1st. Sounds good. Yeah, we have a couple. So we're canceling the rest of April. Okay. Well, I don't remember doing this in a prior year, but I guess everything has lined up this way with the conference and everything. Yeah, also the holidays. Yeah, and also the holiday, the instant week was like nice concept. It is what it is. So I'm assuming that regarding the events, you and Lucina are also going to the KubeCon. What about you, Ilyko? Are you attending the KubeCon? Okay, I guess she's attending. The next coming events are after the KubeCon. All of these are virtual, right? Like the Telecom TV and the only event that we have in person is the Open Source Summit. I don't see any new event out to this list. Basically, we're still keeping the same events, right? What do you mean? No change in them, I guess? Yeah, I haven't seen any change in the last few weeks. So I'm assuming that we still have the same events. We have same set of events. I think that maybe the main thing would be the informal, I don't know if we should call it a boff anymore, just informal telco gathering. We say that on your thing. We would call it telco community gathering. Let's just update those words, telco gathering, informal, telco. This looks like a mess. There we go. This one right here. Yeah, we have where we've reserved that co-working place, takitaki. Okay, that was the last one. It is like a minute walking, right, from Ray? Right. I think I'm going to drop something in here. So I think it's, we'll just say six to seven minute walk. The map that they gave us a walking map, we asked like, what is the best path? And I think it was shown about seven minutes. Regarding the attendance list, how many people has confirmed 25 or more? How many people has shown interest in attending the gathering? Over 30 RSVPs. Wow. That's a good number. Okay. So I don't know if you want to say something else about this or like just moving forward to see the full request for the issues that we have open? Let's see. As far as the telco gathering, we need to, we've kind of said it's going to be lightning talks at some time or whatever available for maybe open discussion and then working session. And of course, if we decide we could do something where, you know, if some people want to just talk and some are doing the working session or whatever, the lightning talks I think might be the part where we need to make sure people understand what that is. So we want to keep it to under five minutes per talk. So we need to maybe put that up as a main thing so people come prepared. If people come with a half hour talk and thinking they're going to have that amount of time and are required to do five minutes, may not go as well. Other than that, just making sure the time is set for that, I think it's just publicizing it. So we need to make sure and put that out on LinkedIn, Twitter, wherever else, try to get any other signups. I think we have a max of 50 right now. For the place, if we had a big interest, we'd need to increase the number with the talky talky. But if we fill up to 50, it's probably a good number for managing an informal group in a setting that's where we got to walk away from REI. So unless we get a huge demand, probably keep it at 50. We can probably communicate that. We can get the exact number of how many RSVs that we have and some max of 50. So if you want to count me better, sign up soon. So that's something that we could do there. Just in case that someone wants to participate as like in talk or any presentation. So they need to mention, I mean, are they going to have like a meek projector or some material to use it or like just free speech while they're tracing their ideas or how do you want to communicate that? For the, as far as the venue, we're going to have a capability to present on something. As far as the presenters go, I'm okay with whatever someone wants to do. So I think if we don't have talks ahead of time, or let me put that different one. We can decide how much time that we're going to have just for lightning talks versus discussion and everything. And then I would like to give the capability for people to just sign up right there. So if someone comes up and says, Hey, I want to talk about, you know, Nephio for two minutes, something new or whatever. Well, they can do that. And if that just means standing up and talking about something fine, if they want to present on a screen, they can do that. Just give a slot for the lightning talk on whatever topic they want to do. That's my thoughts on it. So kind of whatever they want to do. If they have a whiteboard and they just want to draw pictures, we'll see how it goes. But have you been to the, the lightning talks type of thing in the past where people can walk in and just write their name on a, on a board or whatever and the topic and they just, when they get going, it's just whatever set of talks. I've worried none of it's done beforehand. It's all like just live. Have you done this in the past? No, no, no. No, usually what I have been is like a place where they have predefined the lightning talks. Basically, yeah, they have their own schedule. So nothing like probably like this. So it's I'm taking that off of the birds of a feather. And when I was seeing those come up a long time ago, when I was going to some of the conferences, they had like an conference, sometimes entire things that were saying we're doing this different. But I did see birds of a feather sessions that were at various conferences and they would have no topics to find. You come in and people are going to go up and talk and some of them are short, some are longer. So what's the idea? Also regarding those conference events, have you ever heard about these rejects? Oh yeah, for sure. Okay, so I don't know, we should just mention that this is not like kind of these events. So basically, this current event is not like trying to give a second chance for the rejects of the telco day or like. I mean, I'm okay with someone coming over that was rejected. They're only going to get up to five minutes though. So if they had a 30 minute or 45 minute talk and they can turn that into a five minute, then they can count. If they can't, then we need to, I want to make sure that someone, we can decide on this, someone needs to be the timekeeper during these talks and whenever we hit five minutes, use a chess timer or whatever we need to do, then we stop. They're done and we need to cut the mic. Okay. Yeah, but these, these talks are welcome. I think we need to get push for the RSVP. I think the form may say five minutes at this point, but we need to make sure that the form has that the documentation on GitHub, page and everything else says these are going to be birds of feather. You can tell us your talk ahead of time or you can submit it then, but it's five minutes. Yeah. I don't, there we go. Working session birds of feather. I think we decided like agenda is going to be birds of feather first and then it'll probably be open discussion and then working session, something like that. We talked about that somewhere else with Tom, I think. And oh, there's more stuff. Oh yeah, some proposed topics of interest. So if people from the rejects conference, if they want to come in and talk for five minutes or during the open discussion, that's totally fine. But it'll be a, it's going to be a max of 50 unless, you know, we get some overwhelming amount. We can decide if we get more if we need to increase or, you know, if it's 51, then try to work that out. If we get 100 people interested, we'll have to make a call if are we going to, they do have space for more, but we would need to request and they probably shift us to a different room or something at the place. They do have drinks there, alcoholic and non-alcoholic. I don't remember if there's like any food snacks, it seems like there was at least snacks. And also, I mean, we have defined the date, but regarding the starting and ending hour, do we have some idea? Yeah, I didn't say there, but I think it may already say in the form. I don't know where we put it, but two to five is the idea. I have a question about these topics for discussion. So if they have five minutes to speak, will there be any time for Q&A or discussion in between each five-minute talk? Yeah, to be honest, it's a very short time. Yeah, these are not big presentations or with big Q&A. These are, here's little snippets of things going on that people need to concisely communicate. If they want a Q&A, then they need to leave time within their five minutes. So no time after for Q&A. I guess I'm looking at some of the brief descriptions of their discussion and some people want to have an open discussion about topics. So when do you think those would be, when do you think there'd be time for those? For example, open discussion over a camera, expose your gateway. Yeah, what is the perception? This is very open. An engagement with Silva. Those are kind of more discussion items than bullet points. So that can be after the five, sorry, after the birds of the feather, lightning talks. So we need to decide on that. So right now we're saying two to five PM. So we could get started. I think keeping it short at the start as far as high welcome to the informal gathering. It's informal. So keep it short. Maybe like max of two to two 10 or something for, hey, we're about to get started. If we're saying two o'clock, people could be showing up right at two. So maybe the very first thing we could do is a quick welcome and then say, we're about to start some lightning talks in a birds of the feather format. If you haven't signed up and you would like to talk, you get five minutes. You can go sign up over somewhere. Maybe you go online and submit the form or maybe literally have like, I don't know. I don't know if we want like a written paper or something, probably something online. We have the ether pad. So maybe people can add it there. Anyways, we tell them, here's where you go. If you'd like to have a talk right now and then get started with those at two 10. So 10 minute period for the little welcome. And here's what we're planting an agenda for the day. We're going to do the birds of feather and then whatever is next. And I'm thinking maybe we just do 50 minutes. That's two to three. I don't know if we need anymore. But it seems like that's enough time. 50 minutes of five minute talks. Maybe too long. I mean, I've seen longer ones. So that's could be fine. So 50 minutes. And then at three o'clock, we do the open discussion and however long we want on that. And then after that working session. I don't know. That's kind of what I'm thinking right now. Yeah, I don't know. Like probably some topics will last more. Probably people are going to be more interested on discussing those topics. Or more specialized and maybe no one is going to have anything to say. Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what we want to do for sure. But we could do the like tape. I don't know what it's going to look like. But we could basically have tables for discussions. And they could have been concurrently. So it's not, you're not presenting, you're not getting to go up there. The discussion is set up in a format where you have a topic and people are sitting together and getting to contribute all together versus just one person or group talking to everybody. And we could potentially have multiple open discussion topics happening at the same time at different tables. And then people just go where they want. First, there may be one topic where 40 people are all together. But I don't see that as a major problem. Go ahead. No, and also what could be interesting is like if there is a way to capture all these discussions, like maybe, I don't know if they're in like etherpad and putting all these ideas there. I mean, just not only for the people who are attending, like trying to be in all the discussions, but also like for maybe for non attendees, like having the opportunity to read some notes or ideas were discussed during the gathering event. Yeah, because I mean, it's great to discuss things and present ideas and do a kind of brainstorming. But it should be nice if we can capture all these things and somehow or in a place where they can be revisited later. Where we can continue beyond or what are you saying? Yeah, like for example, like, I don't know, let's say for example, this 5G with a Raspberry Pi topic. So maybe someone has been done a work on this and has some examples or like maybe someone else can present the use case or whatever. So all those things, I think eventually it would be nice if we can capture names or see the pros and cons of this topic. Because if we are going to have like a three or four talks or discussions happening simultaneously, so yeah, it's going to be a kind of frustration to try to cover all at the same time. Do you want something beyond the etherpad where we're going to have shared notes? We're planning on having that. Okay. If you were planning to have it, that's right. I didn't know that you have. Okay. Yeah. So let's see. We haven't put it in here because we were, it's going to be a, I think Tom created the etherpad. There we go. That's the thing I found it. I'm going to send it to you in Zoom chat. We're not wanting to post it on, we weren't wanting to post it on the meeting. Because etherpad is going to be about a fault. Allow anybody to go in and start typing. So when we put it in, we may end up with spam the earlier we do. So we can decide when we want to put it. I don't think it's as big a deal since the birds of a feather is we're going to allow anybody to put the topics in. But anyways, this is what we had. And the idea was, you know, put the agenda or whatever. We can have people put topics and then we can actually put notes right in here. Of course, we could, if we want, we could put them somewhere else. But that was the thinking right now. Okay. Yeah. Does that work for something that you're thinking? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. That's great. All right. And then, you know, if we have a topic or anything that comes out of this that we think someone is interested in continuing, then we can open tickets or whatever. Thursday, can you go ahead and click on the markdown or go to that markdown page? I don't know if that's clickable. Yeah. Yeah. So that's just, you know, the main thing we need to make sure it's updated the where it is or whatever. But we can always update this after to have, well, number one, we can link to the ether pads so people see the notes. But we can also put the, here's the topics that were discussed. And I think, yeah, the open discussion working group. Yeah. I think that goes to our forum area. Is that where it is? Or is that, I don't know what that is. What is that like? I guess here. Yeah. Anyways, click on discussions at the top. Yeah. Yeah, we have that. So we can also put stuff in there. I think we have enough places that we can keep the conversations going on topics that are of interest. Maybe one of the things that we can take advantage is finally define some glossary terms. I mean, taking advantage of most of the attendees are going to be tell co-expertise. Okay. Maybe we can create like a draft for them and redefine here. But yeah, probably that could be my proposal, especially for the CNF, sorry, CNF. So we can start putting like a draft here and maybe finalize the definition during the gathering. We can invite or at least inform the glossary folks in Slack that we're planning on doing this. You know, it may be possible some people come from there, but yeah, if there's some terms, we have, I think we may have some stuff that we listed in another document as ideas. This definitely is, doesn't have all the content that we've put together. If I'd be in the planning document, I can't remember. No, it's not there. Okay. Anything else about the gathering? I think that most of the things have been defined, right? Perfect. So do we have any issue or PR open for? No poor request. I guess a lot of open issues. Well, there's a good amount of them that are the best practice proposals and hopefully we'll make some progress during the working sessions. Yes, if we do have some time, maybe we can, you and I could work on some if you have any time. Pick one of them. I can't remember which one we were focused on last time, but we have a bunch of working documents. So yeah, probably the only one I checked was the blindness proof. I don't know if someone has someone else has mentioned something or we split it up. So there's this, there's two documents now, redness and liveness. And all the red is just example content that needs to be replaced. And then wait, yeah, we have all the parameters I think you were suggesting. There'll be something similar for the readiness. Okay, yeah, there's one progress. Yeah, a bit of progress. We had talked about taking some stuff for onboarding CNS, which would be like deployment practices, automation and other stuff and looking at FIO and things. I don't know. I don't know if you've made any progress there on highlights that might turn into best practices that we could write up. But if so, we could at least get some issues in place around here's onboarding best practice that should be that we recommend. Yeah, for those ones, I think I don't know, maybe it's too early to start like define best practices, but at least we can start collecting some information about dons and doves. Yeah. Have any best practices for us, Ildeca? Sorry, I was a little distracted. Best practices on. For CNS, any? Oh, well, I'm still more on the infrastructure layer. We're collecting those too. I think there's going to start to be an expansion and we'll just call it full stack best practices for netties. Okay, I need to think about that. I don't, from the top of my head, it's sometimes it's kind of hard to collect CNS specific items, because when people talk about infrastructure, they tend not to talk about it just from a CNS scope. So sometimes it's hard to say what's a CNS best practice versus what's a generic infrastructure best practice, if that makes sense. But I'll wrap my head around it. Sounds great. Are you going to make it to the informal talco gathering at KubeCon? No, I will not make it to KubeCon itself. Maybe the North America one in the fall, hopefully. What about the open source? I will be at the open source summit. Nice. So I can participate in things in there, but KubeCon got out of my opportunities for the spring, unfortunately. But if there's any part that will be remotely available, I'll look into that. Okay. Any of your colleagues coming to KubeCon that we might chat with during talco day or tell them about the talco gathering? I have a few colleagues attending. I will let them know when and where things are, and then they can figure it out if they can fit it into their schedule. They don't have a specific talco focus. All right. But if they have been with, then at least one of them might be able to pop by. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah. And on the informal gathering, just if they're interested and want to come and be part of that, want to get the RSVPs in since we're hosting it, which means turn it set it up. Right now we have Gochatellecom, Orange, Huawei, Verizon, Vodafone, a bunch of different ones. Nokia, all of RSVPs for that one. So I hope, and I haven't looked. I'm sure there's other companies. There's a bunch of Gmail's and Hotmills and stuff that I don't know who they're from, but I think that one should be pretty interesting as well. I'm hoping. Awesome. I'll let them know definitely. Thanks. Yeah. And, you know, things go well with all of this and try to get, we want to get sponsorships for the Taco Day North America. And then maybe we can, with sponsorship, we can get it expanded to a full day, which means we don't have to split it up and we'll decide on the format based on, you know, feedback from the other stuff. If people really like the birds with feather, maybe we'll have that as part of Taco Day. Yeah. I think that would be nice. I mean, I remember the Taco Day or well, Half Day in Detroit and it had pretty good interest. I am kind of sure that the room would have stayed nicely attended if we had a full day too. And I think birds of a feather sessions are always beneficial, always like when we have the opportunity to encourage the people in the room to speak up as opposed to just listening to presentations. Yeah, totally agree. The hope is some of the lightning talks might, you know, someone may have something real new, but it's not ready for big presentation. But it's, it's in an area that people are interested in and that may lead right into the open discussions. And, you know, we may have open discussion and working sessions coinciding. So. Fingers crossed. Yeah. All right. Well, it seems like it is pretty much the only thing that we have for today. So probably we can end this minute now and give it back 10 minutes or or at least or you if you have anything else to discuss, just speak now and okay. Well, it seems like it is all so see you on KubeCon or maybe in May. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thanks. Sounds good. Thank you. Safe travels and happy Easter and all those kind of things. Yeah, thank you. Cheers. Bye.