 felly gwahodd beth rydyn ni'n mynd i gyfaint ei gwrth! Ebytyd, bryd? Rydyn ni'n gwesbwys. Felly dyna newydd am ychydig. Am ymgyrchu ar hyn o'r propfel a'i gweld. Felly yn mynd i. Rydych chi fawr, a'u gwirio'r oedd ychydigol yn ni'n credu yng nghymoedd yn difrwyntaf yma. Rwy'n ei gallu'n gorfodd ar ddod. I enjoyed the way they did it, every game was on, and also the round-up show, which was good. I think it's got a few little edges to smooth off in terms of how it does things, but I thought it was really good. It showed you how it can be done, and what I really liked about it was, and often there's been different talk about this, was over the night I think there was 10 different games on, basically crossing over. There was one that was on earlier, but there was 10 games I think it was, that was simple on. So there was always something to watch, and to me, whether it was a massive game or it wasn't a massive game, obviously first day of the season, it didn't really matter. It was like, you've got all these games, you've already paid for it, you can watch what you want. They've all got commentary, they've all got co-commentary, they've all got build-up, they've all got stuff afterwards. And if you didn't want to watch one particular game, you could watch the 360 show, which is what I did, which was just giving you an overview and a little bit of insight into the different teams. And I think that one's brilliant for if you're a novice and you've just found the league, or you want a little bit of knowledge about who's gone where, if maybe you haven't, you've switched off for the close season. And to me that's how the Premier League should be doing it, because someone actually put a tweet out about it and someone went, oh yeah, this is the way it's going, isn't it? I think they were actually American, they were like, once another streaming service to buy it. I was like mate, I've got to buy three, and they don't show all the games. So one that does show all the games would be brilliant, thanks very much, because again tonight, there's two games Liverpool playing Wolves for the 87th time, playing Wolves every week. And we're playing Arsenal and you can't watch either of them. And again, what the Premier League has done is created a black market. And then obviously then it allows them to put the prices up in this country. And it's a joke. And I know people out there who are watching in America, in Australia, and another place they'll go, well we've already got that, what's the big deal? We haven't! We haven't! I've got to watch the game illegally tonight to literally do my job. So the resolution will be rubbish. It'll probably be slightly delayed. So I can't sit there and watch a game of football in glorious HD, never mind 4K. Because that's the archaic rules in this country that I can't watch it. It's pathetic. And I just thought, yeah, my less stuck. Give it just a little bit of luck into what we could have. Your thoughts on it, Baz? I really enjoyed. I obviously have watched DC United, so I watched that game, but I did keep flicking over. And having a look at the 360 stuff, which was good obviously, because you can just go back and look at bits of it anyway on Apple. Looked at that, it was really good the way. I mean, we've got a similar thing having me on BT with the Goal Show for Europe, which is really good. And that's like literally the best show on TV for me for 40. I'm asking if that was the Premier League. I know it might be different, because they might have been, but I'm asking if that was the Premier League day, and there was like six, seven games on the day, and you could just like have it more or no. Or even have it more play, but the Goal goes in and you get to see them, and the people in the studio were talking about it. It was like a shoot up phase, and they were like, well, Jeff Stelling didn't know that, didn't know football. Which is madly successful, being gone for like 25 years. Whatever it is. I think it was really good. I've seen someone, it might have been Derek, you must have been discussing the other day, and he was like, no, because I wanted just to, where I just buy a season ticket for Everton. I understand that, and I used to think like that. I used to think, just give me, like, let me pay for every Everton game, and I'll just have that. But if you're talking about making the clubs getting equal shares, if clubs got money just buy you both day games, we would be miles behind anyway, like miles behind. We wouldn't be able to get near the Liverpool and people like that, because they're the biggest audience. So having a collective where you pay, and then it's divvied out amongst the clubs, works better forever. Well, it works better for everybody actually, because the success of the Premier League is down to the shared asset. The reason why the league are in Serie A on their asses is because of the greed of the top clubs, and what's happened is, you know, what's simply happened is, as the smaller clubs can rise up, it means that the league themselves don't become good to watch. Therefore, less people pay for the rights. The Premier League is the best league in the world, simply because it trades on this idea that any team can be to any team on any given day, and that is true. We proved that against Arsenal. A team we haven't won for ages, just SACTA manager plays Arsenal, high flying Arsenal, top of the league, and we beat them on there. And we beat them comfortably in a manner. And that's what the Premier League trades on. And if you suddenly got a situation where Everton had its own thing, then it wouldn't work. And what I would say to you, anyone, and Degs, if that's what you said, is that if Everton did it, Everton would probably charge exactly the same amount for just the Everton games as what the Premier League would charge for all of the games, because ultimately the Premier League would be selling it to everybody so they could go 15 quid, 20 quid. I'd pay 20 quid a month for the Premier League. I know that's still probably a little bit more than other people paying for other leagues, but I'd pay 20 pound, no problem, for just the Premier League. And you know that's getting shared out and more people are buying that one product whereas if Everton said we are 15 quid, how many people are realistically paying for that? You know, I think it just wouldn't work on a team-by-team basis and you know that. But I think on a league basis it would be massively successful and I think it was something that, for me it's something that you start in this country and then you roll out to other countries or you do what MLS did and you get someone like Apple on board to host it for you. And that might take a lot of the hard work and a lot of the staying out of it. But the Premier League, to be honest, they could probably at this point easily host it themselves because they've got, you know, when I was chatting to the day someone was like, oh, they're going to lose that talent pool. I was like, what talent pool? Everyone who works for Sky or BT or whoever works for somebody else, you know. Share is on Match of the Day on a Saturday, was on Amazon's coverage on the Arsenal game. All the trucks, Sky don't own any trucks, BT don't own any trucks. You know, all the trucks are a separate company. That's all separate and Premier League would need to do is just do what Apple have essentially done. It's gone round and cherry picked. Because basically what the Apple deal has done is, it's took all the national broadcasters but all the local broadcasters. So what they've done is, they've gone round too. So Eric was telling me this about Kansas. He said, because the guy at Kansas who was the local broadcaster was very nervous about it. Apple gave him a job because they're like, you're the guy on the ground. You're the guy with all the information. Because you've already understand, and that's what they've done. They've gone round, cherry picked all the people, all the local people, give all the other people. Well, that's kind of how they did it, didn't it? It was like, unless anyway, because obviously we've been watching the league for, we've been watching the league for a while. And when you see like, shating games, like I know like New England Evolution, like the games are, Paul Marran, he was sadly passed away now, but he was like, the co-commentator, but it was the local fella. He was basically like, mean you commentate on everything against someone. So far, there's like a supporter of the opposition watching it. It was a very much a heavily influenced home commentary, but they did obviously praise the opposition as well, just not quite to the same level. So that's how they've done, because they have literally just had local people anyway, and you might just give them the job. Even on Saturday, it was watching DC. It was like quite obviously a DC United. You know, more sweaty was DC than it was for Toronto. That's happening in every walk of life though, because you're getting more and more of this of this stuff now where like something from the other day a bar, I think. I think we're talking to Vittie and Andy Walsh about it, because obviously they work in the radio world, and I was saying that we were talking about, or it might have been someone else, we were talking about like, I think we were talking about like what happened when what happened to like the blue room and stuff on Radio City's coverage of the like the Premier League and stuff, of Evan and Liverpool, and basically the club, like Bauer came who owned it, basically were like, there's no money in this anymore, because you're covering these two clubs, no money in it anymore. We were on City Talk, they moved City Talk to Medium Wave, swapped it over with another radio station, put that on FM, and then they like cherry picked all the best presenters from around the country, so we had Rossie, known Rossie for years, used to be used to be Evan's announcer at the game, he was doing the breakfast show on like, it was like, was it called Magic or something, whatever it was, and he basically is the host for this radio station now. The next guy is in Birmingham, the next guy is in London, and they're all working from a Bauer radio station and creating this one radio station, and all they do is what they're not allowed to do, and I actually spoke to Rossie about this, he's like, it's weird, because I used to be like, oh so and so, from old swans being on and the stuff, and you could now it's like very generic, Derrick's being on, you never mentioned where Derrick's from. Fit to be fair, Dave told us this when he come in, when he was based in Manchester, before he moved, he was like, it's changing, so we don't have any local people on anymore, it's just a caller from anywhere, and it's a... No, you're just taking all the assets, and you're putting them all in a pot, and you're putting nobody notices, and it would be the same with that, it might be, I don't know if it wouldn't be the same with the Prime Minister, because the country's not big enough for that kind of thing, but for me, I just see it as the future, and hopefully the next TV deal will do something about it, because everyone's fighting by the way, I mean I read a thing yesterday, Rexham put a thing out saying about the trial period for memberships for people watching, want to watch the games, and I know Ryan Reynolds, and Rhynbeth Helmi, had been fighting really hard for people to be able to watch the games abroad, because obviously they want to grow the American market, and the league, that national league had been really resistant to like, and what happened was essentially what happened was Ryan Reynolds, Rexham and stuff, they basically said we'll pay for it, we'll set it up, we'll send our camera men down to our away games, and film it, allow you to put it out at our cost, because we want to trial this thing, and they said they've made a really good fist of it, got so many memberships they've broke it all down, and they said basically it works, and then nationally, well they're really resistant to that, and they were like no, people want to watch this product abroad, they want to watch it in different places, so it's not just the Premier League, or the customers of the Premier League, it's at other levels where people are like you know, because we've had this thing haven't we for years obviously, blackouts and stuff, and like, oh it'll destroy the lower league, the lower league are flying, because people are so sick of Premier League football that they're going to watch it and it's a bit cheap, and it's more honest, isn't it? You build a team, most teams have got similar amounts of money down there, so what is literally about that, you use your resources the best way, yes of course, but you know what I mean, I'm saying, but look at them, they've gone another 10,000 last night, they're battling, they've gone another 10,000 last night, they've gone another 10,000 last night, they're battling with, they're battling with Nott County, Nott County don't have the resources, Wrexham have got, but Nott County are ahead of them, okay, Wrexham have got, yeah I could even stop what I'm saying, up until like the weekend, Nott County lost their own to Dagenham and Everett, and Wrexham won, you know, Nott County were the ones Wrexham had taken again, you know last season, stop or County don't have anywhere near the budget, Wrexham have got, now stop or look like they're coming from league 2, I think the third in league 2 at the moment, so you know, it is, them leagues attract far more interest, because it isn't a close shot, and that's where the Premier League, it will eat itself in the end, it already is to be said next time people, and now if you're one of the top clubs you're not, but a lot of other people are like, this is really that good, whereas I think you look Menwch eich treflus yn andi nawr wrth yr oedd y lleol gan hyffordd o'r ffordd rym Morll. Mae'r anodd ar draws rydym ni wedi'i byw'r siwn fydd. Rydyn ni sy'n rhoi ei hynny. Aberth yr oedd nifer. Mae'n defnyddioch a'r newid o'r rôl yn rhywbeth sydd, felly mae ganddo bwysig. Dyna sydd yn ei ddefnyddio'r rôlantic yr oedd. Fel mae'r greu eich ddaeth hefyd yn dod o'r lleol o'u rôl. Mae'r anodd. Felly byddwch i'n cefn、 gyda hynny, fwy gweithio bod yn gweld y blaen chi. Felly dyna'n fwy y gwahaniaethau am oeddient. Felly, dwi wedi eu gwahaniaethau am ymddangos o'r cyfle. Dyna'r lefion o'r adroddau yma, dyna yma. Mae yna'r syniadd oedd yn olygu yn ffordd ymuno. Tynno, mae gen i gyrfa llungariaethol yn cael mewn blaen. So, mae gen i feddwl. Mae'n gwybod am ymwy ymwysig yng Nghymru. Mae'n bŵy ac fod yn ymryd i'r wahanol i'r peth, Mae'n ddod o'r bwysig i'w ddweud, credu'n gwneud i'w ddweud, dwi'n meddwl am fynd i'n meddwl. Mae'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'w ddweud i'w ddweud. Mae'n meddwl i'w ddweud i'w ddweud i'w ddweud. Fe'n ddechrau'n gweithio. Diolch yn ffóll. Fe'n ddechrau'n ffóll i'w ddweud i'w ddweud. Cŵr roedd fydd yn ymgyrch i ddweud ymgyrch i ddweud y ddweud. Er mwyn i'n gyntafol, ddweud ar y cyflwynt. Mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud. A ydych chi'n ymgyrch i ddweud. Ond ydych chi'n ddweud? Ond ydych chi'n ddweud y baras hynny? Dyna, mae'r baras hynny ymgyrch i ddweud yw'r primulau, yn ei ddweud eisiau yn ddweud. Rwy'n cael ei ddweud? Rwy'n cael ei ddweud. Rwy'n cael ei ddweud. yn nhw hem ei wneud o'r fath o'r ystyried ymgyrch? Simon Jordyn yn ystod o'n rai o bobl 3 yma, ac mae bwnaeth wedi gwaith chefnol. Fo Caerdydd yw i'r ddechrau, o'n rhaid i ni'n dweud, o'r ffóid, o'n dweud fechiar oherwydd efallai hwn wedi'i ddifutiol o'r hunain, lleiaid, oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd… ..eitho hefyd o'r eitben i gyda siwr o'r bwysnith ac yn mynd yn fawr. ac gyda'r twyddon gyda bwysig iawn, ac gwneud 10 bilion a gwrdd ei ddyliadau a gweithio 5 bilion o'r bwysig yma nid yn y pot ar gyfer y Prémiliadau. Felly, mae'r ddweud yn ddweud y byddai yn cael ei ddechrau i'r cyffredinol a ydy'r byddai yn cael eu bwysig yn y club. Felly, mae'r club yn cael ei ddweud, sydd yn cael ei ddweud yn cwrs. Felly, mae'n gweithio, yn y cwrs. I don't know, and like you said, they've got the back catalogue, they could literally make it a Premier League TV and have the games on all week, the games from the yes the year on all week. You know, they've already got Premier League productions, me and you've done stuff with Premier League productions quite often, I'm just to do it regularly with everybody, I'm just me and you. There's been like all the teams and stuff, so there's quite clearly content going out every bit. Let's say if you've got, if you charge £15 and you paid for it, let's say 12 months of the year, because most people would, most people probably wouldn't even cancel it and you've got 20 million people in this country, then that's £3.6 billion. It's like just from this country and yet we know that it's overseas, it's where it's bizarre, it's where it's bizarre. You know, you would do it, of course they would, people would do it everywhere, they could make crazy money, the Premier League, really, crazy money, that would modern, back them up, pay all the equipments, do everything, it all be sorted. We've seen it when Amazon do it. Amazon have done it quite a few times, haven't they? They've got, you go on all the games a day and you go from there with it. It's the same with the optis thing, I mean you optis, isn't it? You go on and then all the games a day and you just go, oh yeah, there's everything, you click it on and off you go. Now, that's how it should be. That, when everything are at home, I'm still going to match. I'm not going, no, I'm not going to go cos I haven't won. Now, okay, some people might go, you know what, I actually can't afford a season ticket anymore and I really want to watch everything every, really, once I watch everything every game, so I'll buy this Premier League productions season ticket, whatever, great. Because that means that the fellow down the road who can't get a season ticket because he's on a waiting list for 10 years can go, actually all of yours then, if you can't go, that enables someone to go to game. I'm just not having people training on the go, you know. And the reality is as well, let's remove the argument fully and put it in the bin, right, because gate the seats are very little to football clubs anyway. When there was COVID, Everton lost what, what was it, 14 million or 15 million in gate the seats? Everton got 130 million or something of season off the Premier League, right, at the current deal. So with a new deal, with more people involved, you would expect Everton's revenue from the Premier League to go up to say 200 million, say, just say for Argin, say, or 180 million or whatever. More than covers Everton's gate seats, more. So if everyone, if we all turn on them and we're not going any more, we're just going to watch you at home, Everton wouldn't be anywhere off, they'd be better off with a new deal. So I think the time's come to be growing up about it now. I just looked, again, I just looked at some numbers there, right, so if 200 million people, sorry, if 80 million people round the world, round the world that is, got it for 10 months of the year, and paid 20 quid, you get 16 billion back, right, at the moment. Which triples what the... At the moment they're getting, the clubs, this is what the clubs are getting, the clubs are getting 1.5, I think, billion from this country and 1.3 billion from the rest of the world. So in a year that's 16 billion. So the clubs reduce it even and play with the numbers, which it's triple what they're getting now anyway, and it's still be affordable for everybody. It doesn't, it doesn't make sense and if the Premier League, see this is where I'm a lesser being really, really, really, really proactive. They have embraced it and gone, you know what, this is how football's going. Now they're using Apple, which is clever as well because Apple's a huge company and people have iPhones and Macs and iPads and Apple TV and everything else. On your telly, dead easy, it's dead simple. I've got it, in fact I think I've still got the MLS app open, in fact I have. I've still got the MLS app open on my TV, on my laptop, but it's on your telly. So on Saturday I just went, boom, and we've been talking, we haven't been playing games, we've been texting each other going, you were going, what a shit, and I'm thinking games are on about here. And all that, and that's how easy. It was just a sat on my couch after 12 on sat, one o'clock sat night watching, was it, watching DC, but then going, Peds going on a penalty and I'm like, quick, that's a 360. What game is it and it comes on and you see it and it's brilliant, it's absolutely brilliant. And that makes it more engaging and what they shall be looking at now is, we've spoke about this quite a lot. I think kids, I've got so much other choice now, so much choice. When we were kids, there was like, we had computers then, we had like Commodore, Amiga's and whatever and whatever, but 40 was still a big thing. You went outside and all like, well now. You went outside. But you did, but if you look at it now, kids, there's less and less space for them to do stuff unless it's organised. It's like us, we coached the 40 teams, like they really need to train twice a week, really. So we've got that hailboard round there, we go there, but I was looking at the Simpsons, it's like 50 quid for an hour and it's like, that's £200 a month. So we can't ask the kids to pay any more, they're already paying for subs and for the referees and all that. So the three coaches do it, so for us, we're having to pay like £670 a month, £7580 each. It's extra just to get them an extra train of session. Now if that was £20, you'd go, you know what? We'll book that, we'll all pay £20 and we'll get them a thing. So it's reducing the opportunity for those kids and then they've got playstations and Xboxes, you've got, you know, YouTube and all. There's loads of things, there's too many things, so how do you get them? And then if you go, oh, you don't want to take whoever the match. Say you want to take like Artie the match and you go, hang on, can't get them a tick. He's got a season tick. I was just using them as it was. Now when Drachas wasn't trying if they're like another kid, I was going to use John Blaine's, because they've got season tickers as well. But if it's like another one, like someone from Artie's Scoot, I'd love to take him in the match as well with Artie. Can't get a tick. So those kids go on, hang on, I'm not even, I can't even go to match. After a bit, it's like just becomes a TV programme. I actually, I mean, it's interesting as well what format they do it in, because would the Premier League over breaking every game is its own thing. I actually liked the thing of watching. I know it's a different way of watching it, but now you're talking about attracting kids. I love like the goal show. That's the best way to go. My, my attention span with football now for a lot of things just doesn't, I just don't get held anymore because there's so many distractions. You get pulled onto your phone or whatever, or you've got, you've got, you know what, I want to watch that YouTube video for five minutes that I forgot about and you go down a rabbit hole or whatever. There's so many distractions. And that's why I actually enjoyed watching like the 360 show, which is a, which is a goal show is because you're sitting there and there's a goal going in every five minutes or something like that. And you're keeping your attention and the breaking up in the meantime. And actually what they did really well is they kept on changing the people, like the experts and giving a fresh voice every now and again. I'm changing the sets. Changing the sets and understanding the power of keeping people interested in it. And for me that for a young kid or kids growing up, I think that would work brilliantly because it is that thing of like fast, fast, fast, fast. Something's happening all the time. Keep them interested, get them hooked and then maybe they'll lay into appreciating or you know, I don't want to watch that one team now because that's my team. And I think that really works. And I think that's what the challenge of the Premier League is. I think what the Premier League would do is go, we want separate kick-offs where I actually think having a bank of games actually would probably work much better because you've already paid your money. So what difference does it make? You might as well have a bank of five or six games. You've got that now, haven't you? On one day and then five. Or have you one standout game of the weekend? Make a big thing over it. You don't sing on a Sunday afternoon. But before that, you'll have a couple of banks of matches. Look at the weekend, this weekend, like evidently they're on a two. And then Liverpool United are on a four. There's games on Saturday and there's a Monday night game. Right? So you could keep all of that format if you really wanted and just went, well, not really changing. Only people have got access to Liverpool. But imagine you didn't change it now because this is another thing that could win people over massively, right? Imagine if you went at the beginning of the season, these are the fixtures and you're playing on a Saturday, you're playing on a Sunday and we'll pick all the big... We'll go on a monthly basis where we pick one game and give it its own time slot on that day. So Saturday, all the games. Let's say all the games on a 5 o'clock, let's just say, just because of the weather, right? And you say one of those games will be a half, seven kickoff. The stand-out. Just a Saturday game. And the Sunday game is exactly the same thing. You have all your Sunday games and one of them goes from being a four o'clock or a five o'clock kickoff to suddenly becoming a... So let's say four o'clock and let's say seven o'clock. And suddenly, right, if I'm a fan, I don't have that thing of, like, I'm making a trip over to the... to whatever, no, whatever. And the game's on a Sunday and then they go, no mate, it's now on a Friday night or whatever. Suddenly everyone goes brilliant. You get rid of that thing of, you're changing the times all the time. Only once in a while do you have your game change and all it'll ever be is three hours in the full. Yeah, it should never be a different day. It'll be the same day. And you'll never have to change that. And honestly, could you imagine that as well for the game? People would be happier. You wouldn't be going, oh no, it's going to be a so-and-so time at this. How am I going to get to them? Everyone would know at the beginning of the season. You're playing either Saturday or you're playing Sunday and that's the end of it. Do you get rid of, like, Monday nights? Yeah, massively. Because why do you need it? Ultimately, why do you need it? You see, really, the Monday night should be full and you could easily do those analysis shows with Carnegie and Neville, right? Only to go through every game. And the given, the given, basically two hours to do it, not 15 minutes, do you know what I mean? I love them, don't I? The only, I think the only thing with that, with the one I'm actually saying is, the only comeback would be, would be, I think, a few of the bigger teams would kick off and say, well, our sponsors are not getting enough, they're not getting enough spotlight because normally we'd have so many games, that is the only game that everyone's watching. But then you go, we are meeting another billion quid, or is another half a billion quid? But they could almost still be all the big games, though. Would they cut? Can't they? Who's watching Everton vs Forrest on Saturday? Everton fans and Forrest fans. Exactly. That's it. No one's really that hard. For the sake of the TV deal, you've got to have it their own thing in its own spot. Well, this TV deal will go, you don't need that. You say, I look at it. Right, and it sounds good, but even if they didn't want that much change, if they just wanted to say, okay, well we want to basically keep it the way it is at the moment. Well, all right. Keep it exactly the same, but you control it. So everyone buys it, and it's still the same. So this Saturday, we log on to our subscription service, and it's, you know, on Saturday there's games, and we'll go out. We'll watch Chelsea League. Evernan playing till Sunday and Chelsea League at three o'clock. You go on and do it. No wish you would. That's a game you're after 12. A game at 4 on Sunday afternoon. You could still do it. Yours is good because you can have the goal show on both of them, and that's the thing that can pull it in. But you can think of it that way. But you can still make a fuss if they need it off. Liverpool be united. Give them their own time slot. Get all the pundits and build it up. Look at the Champions League. The Champions League doesn't need time slots. It has different, obviously in the group stage, they all kick off at the same time. I know you have two different nights, but they all kick off at the same time. And then obviously as the tournament goes on, it becomes its own thing. But not until you get to what, the quarterfiles, that every game may be on its own. So you're going through a whole, the big tournament that's bringing in the money from all around the world. They've got to have what you should be doing and like I'm telling a billion pound business how to do its thing and shat it with a fucking 13-year-old car. But make it as easy and as accessible for everybody. Keep pulling the people in. Surely that's the thing, keep pulling them in. Like you said, you know, we're going, I've got a bloody VPN, a subscription in another country, to another bloody TV service just to be able to watch my team, play a game of football away from home. It's just nonsense. You know, people like, you've got to go to he's gone, they shut that down, they've gone here, and they add, you know, all kinds of people over the years, they've gone called bloody potato TV. The stopper is watching a game that we can't watch. That's a project. It's your product and you don't want me to watch it. Let's say put a film out in the cinema and go on. No, no, you can't go. You can't go and they're like, well, I will watch it. Well, no, no, only the people, only, you know, only the... But people abroad can watch it. Yeah, only these 300 people who go in at that particular time can watch it. And is it ever being shown again? No, no, well, it's a live thing, isn't it? Because it's always never been shown again. All right, well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to find them. I don't know, you don't have to do that. It's not, it is bollocks. It's absolutely right.