 to our man, Mr. Tim Ord. Now, Tim, folks, is going to be doing a great workshop for us. He's going to be doing a couple of workshops. The first one is going to be coming this Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. That's going to be on the S&P 500. The second one is going to be on June 15th from 4 to 6 also. And inside of those two hours, folks, are going to get a great hour and a half of education, a half hour of asking Tim questions, because the bottom line, he has some great indicators that you can put on your charts, but the bottom line, these are indicators that, you know, bottom line folks just are not attuned to. That's what it really comes down to, as the looking at the market at lows and at looking at highs. Tim Ord, what's going on? Well, glad to be on again. Totally. So let me ask you something, right? So Friday, last Friday, that was quite a day, right? Yeah, we broke out. My opinion, you know, we showed that weekly SPX to VIX ratio, and it was making higher highs, and it leads the S&Ps. So it was predicting that the SP should break above that, you know, four, I think the 415 area on the SPYs. And, you know, went sideways all through April and May. And finally, we broke out above that area so that 415, 417 on the SPY should now be supported. So, right. And that's what you're looking for. You're not going to be still in May, go away type thing. So if May is up, a lot of times, that kind of carries through the summer. So we'll have to wait and see. Yes. So, you know, we talked quite a bit, Tim, about the aspect of, you know, what happens when you use your indicators looking at panic lows and lows, right? And, you know, so, you know, like, I'm looking at the market today, it's like, I can understand why the market is just going sideways. It's down a little, because the amount of strength that it took on Friday, right? You know, let me have the dial up 700 points, everything was up like dramatically. What, like the, between the tick and the trend, what do you look for when you are approaching highs? The highs actually, a 10 day average of the trend around 0.8, you got to really be careful. As a matter of fact, when we, if we start approaching that level, I'll start showing that indicator. Okay. You know, on our shows and stuff like that. Right now we're 109. Okay. And usually 10 day average around 120 are usually looking at lows. Ideally, you know, major lows get up around 1.5. So, but, you know, if we kind of uptrending market, it usually stays above one. Okay. And so we got like 109, that means we can still go higher. But we start getting down when everybody gets exuberant. Now, that trend is the up, well, I have the definition of a trend of TRIN is the advancing issues over declining issues divided by advancing volume over declining volume. And now if you do the numbers, when all this, all the volume starts going into the upstocks, that trend starts to drop down below one. Right. And the more stocks that are going up with higher volume, the more dangerous that trend becomes. And when you get a 10 day average around 1.8, you got quite a bit of gluberance going in the market. And so it's an area where things don't last for long and things can get ugly really fast. Yeah. You know, it's interesting what you brought up last week is that, that, you know, when we were talking about the aspect that, you know, you were coming into a panic low a few months ago, like just today on that little downdraft that we got, Tim, right? We got a downdraft, a downtick of minus 12.95. So it's like, you know, what Tim was talking about, folks, is that every just little pullback at all, it almost seems like people are panicking. You know what I mean? It's like, OK, well, you know, that's not the end of the world, man. You know, you just came down 10 S&P points. But I thought that was kind of intriguing, right? You know what I mean? Because, yeah. Yeah. Well, actually, Joe Granville had it back. You know, he's, he's not a manor, but he was kind of the, oh, him and that. I can't think of his name. You know, Joe Granville, he always called, you want, you want to have a wall of worry, right? When the market's going up, right? And he didn't really quite understand how to define exactly what indicator is a wall of worry. Yes. So I kind of always follow him. So if the market's going up, people are worried about the market for some whatever reason, you know, debt ceiling or interest rates are too high or too low or something. There's always a hook in the market that people worry about. They're afraid to buy because it's a wall of worry. And those are the type of markets you want to buy, right? And let's get back to that trend thing. So yeah, as the market's going up, the trend kind of stays relatively high above one. As usually, you know, people are kind of worried, but when everybody's convinced that, yeah, this market's going to go through the ceiling. That's when the trend drops low point eight. That's when you get these highs. So yes, but the wall of worry is kind of a key here. And I really know, you know, from the stuff I'm looking at, there's really nobody really bullish here. So no, I listen, I can see it. But they're not bullish either. I mean, you know, like, let's say six, eight weeks ago, even when you're coming on saying, Hey, man, this thing wants to go higher. I remember everyone in the trade is down and saying, Oh, my God, you know, like, you know, a lot of us were bearish me particular, right? And then I was there. I got a feeling this thing's going to go higher now. And it's it's hard to wrap your head around it. Because there are so many things out there, and because we've gone so high. But guess what? It is what it is, man. You know what I mean? So it's like it is what it is. It takes you a while to, you know, figure out what kind of a, you know, the fear gauge works well, the trend works well, the ticks work well. Yeah. And that's really gives down to what the market really thinks what's going on, what people think. And I do look at sentiment indicators, too, when everybody's leaning bullish, I got about five pretty good ones that have worked has stood the test of time, I guess you might say yes. And when everybody kind of chugs in, I look at the individual investors, money managers, and actually, I look at the call ratios, equity put call ratios. Yeah, you know, whatever people are buying leaning on the put side, that's usually a good sign the public's pretty bearish. Right. So and all those things come at low. So you know, if you're scared to buy, it's usually you probably make the money. You may be doing something wrong. So yeah, I can see that. Well, listen, folks, okay, you know, Tim is an amazing technician, you're gonna have not only a blast, you're gonna learn a huge amount about how the market moves. And people will be asking you later, like, how do you know that? Okay, that's the bottom line. So come over to our website, the TFNN, you're gonna see them right on the front page and the featured content. You can, you know, go to both workshops and go to one workshop. Just hit that banner. It's gonna be from four to 6pm this coming Thursday, man. Well, listen, it's always a pleasure, Tim. You know, you have a great one, a safe one. Of course, we look forward to speaking here and look for the workshop in a big way. Alright, thanks. Have a great one, man. Have a safe one. Stay right there, folks. Come right back.