 Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 52. That's right. Exactly one year ago today we began this journey in season two. And the show looks quite a bit different now that I'm glancing at it. For starters, the original core six are basically all gone, but me and Eric at the moment. We'll talk about that because we also have to welcome in a special person who you don't see on screen yet. Mr. Jake Randall. No, Jake. No, why are you guys all late today? I've been. Yo, what's up, Jake? Surprise. Surprise is going. I had no idea. Let's go. All right. I don't know what's going on. I've been out of the loop. Yeah. No, I've just been waiting for you guys to get here. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that's what it's about. You didn't even let me in when it started. Yeah. Yep. So rude. Anyways, how are you doing, Jake? Um, it's, you know, I've had a day. It's not, it's not the best, but it's not the worst. Well, you know, we, we have these fat. That's kind of happened. Cause no, that's how I say it. The, uh, the, I was telling everyone that, Hey, a year ago is when season two began. And we had a, we had a six pack going on and everyone from that six pack is not here. One of them, my goddess, he's been replaced with Jake. He's now the regular instead of bike. And then Andres restart was literally, literally I was going to be part of the show and he's been one of our co-hosts all year long, but, uh, he got sick today and then he's like literally a half hour before the show. Yeah, dude, I'm just migraine. I'm just, uh, yeah, I told him to go sleep. So I'm panicking. I'm literally sitting here. I'm DMing every person I've ever seen on my like X feed ever because I don't have any other way to DM people. I love you too. But I had, this was such a surprise that Jeff was here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, dude, he just said like, yes, right away. Like there wasn't, I didn't even have to wait once I texted him. Um, and then, um, for Vlam over there, he's like, yeah, I might be late, but sure I'll come. And then he's right on time. So, yeah. Yeah. Look what just got to my doorstep right before. She, here we go. Here we go. It's the Tatum. It's the Tatum ones. Yeah. We're going to quite a lot of romancing, I think, going on. I'm excited. It's the Tater one. Deuce on the, on the tongue. That's awesome. JT. Is it because he, is it because he drops deuces while he's JT? Hold on, JT. Okay, we're good. Oh, dude, you need them. I know, right? Here we go. Here we go. See what I'm starting guys. See what I said. Maybe I'm going to tell what Jake wasn't going to show up. Well, the same before Jake got here before the pre-show is just like last time I saw Jake was at the socks game. So yeah, dude, we went to Red Sox game this summer. Oh man. All right. Before we start having, um, I see a certain someone in the chat who likes to compliment Jake's looks every single week. So before that starts coming up, let's go around the room. Welcome everyone. And, uh, let them know who you are because some of you guys have never been here before. I haven't been here in a while. And then what have you been playing lately? So we'll just start right next to me with FVLAM. Let people know who you are and what have you been playing lately? Well, everybody, my name is FVLAM. I'm a Nintendo variety streamer and also a game show host type vibes over on twitch.tv slash FVLAM. I'm the Twitch streamer here. I'm not a YouTuber trying to become a YouTuber. We're getting there. We're getting there, I promise. We're slowly building that repertoire, but Twitch streamer, uh, and we've been playing a lot of Wii sports. I've been revisiting Wii sports, Wii sports resort. We've kind of been perfecting every game in each of those categories. We do tennis, we do bowling. We did the bat through the basketball, 33 point, like hitting the perfect 30 on the three point contest is miserable. Oh my gosh. It's so bad. Modern Nintendo games, uh, we, I've been, I just dipped my toes back into Pikmin 4. I played like one level and I'm trying to, I'm trying to beat it finally. Um, yes, I like talking about toes. Yeah, it was a little, you know, a little, you know, um, so yeah, that's what I've been up to. I'm probably going to sadly get the Pokemon DLC and do that at some point as well. So that's what I've been up to. That's what I've been doing. Did you do the first Pokemon DLC? No. And I've been told and also realized now that I have to do the first part in order to do the second part. And it makes you have to. Yes, you do. Cause it's a story thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, not only do you have to, not only do you have to do the story, but then it's like a required purchase as well. If you want the second part. Yeah, it just, they just sell it as one. Yeah. Yeah. But I haven't done the new one, but I did the first one the day it came out. Oh, nice. The second part looks fun. I won't lie. It looks very, I actually looks like a good time. You can like, the first part was a good time. Yeah. Really? You like the, okay. It looked boring to me when I was like watching my friends play it on Twitch. But the second part, you can like do this little thing called the synchro machine and you can literally just be Pokemon and run around the world as a Pokemon. Dude, I saw that. That's such a good idea. That terrifies me because if you encounter a shiny, you can't catch it when you're doing that. Yeah. That, that is a very unfortunate feature. However, I can run around as my little Turk twig guy and I think because I don't give a fuck about shinies. So yeah. So like, I'm like, Hey, you know, I got, I'm happy about a little run around with my little Turk twig dude. He's egging out anyways, but that's me. That's who I am. I'm from Vlam. I'm probably going to look nice to meet everybody. You can call me Austin as well if you can't say in case you guys don't know me and Vlam always end up nerding out about Pokemon when he's on. I do with anyone that likes Pokemon when they come on. And with not here, this isn't turning into an entire topic because that's what happens every time. It's like 45 minutes of Pokemon. That's all right. Hey, this is fun. We can, I got a Vlam did an awesome charity event. Okay. Hang on. No, I'm not about to pull Gerard. Okay. It's apparently a theme. I use tiltify, which I didn't even see an account. I didn't even see it in an account. I just went straight to, no, no, no, I, I vouch for you tiltify. I think that's related to Gerard to hold on. Wait a second. Is it? No, it's not. No, it's not. No, the bad ones are, well, it's Gerard's like thing that he set up. And then the other bad one that recently came out was safe, safe something. Then they rebranded to someone else. Anyways, yeah, there was a whole article about it. They, like, they, they, they scammed a whole bunch of people like Ludwig and Hassan and other big streamers. Anyways, off topic, but thank you for acknowledging that. I just wanted to give you a shout out for, that was, dude, that was an incredible event. You got like 30 content creators to come together, do this Mario Kart tournament. I don't know how you managed it all, coordinated everything, but just, I just want to give you props, man. I appreciate that. Yeah. No, we raised at the end of the day. We had a few more people donate, like afterstream $1800 for Feeding America. And it was pretty sick. Oh yeah. So yeah, it went for a good while. It was a, it was a good time. So yeah, hope to do my goal for 2024 is to do, I usually do two charity events every year. I want to try and do one like every fiscal quarter slash like season. So we'll see. YouTube is a great place for that right now. Yeah. Honestly, it's made me kind of scared to do that after all the scams and stuff. Honestly, Austin, in all seriousness, the way I've always done it on YouTube, which I've done it, like I haven't done it. It's been two years now since I've done it, but every Christmas I would do it. And if you're going through a 501c charity, YouTube has them all. They will link your stream to the charity. So any super chat that's directed right to the charity, YouTube doesn't get a cut. You don't get a cut. You don't even know how much except for like the counter on the top. You don't see it anywhere. The only thing is YouTube holds it until like the next processing month and then gives it to the charity. But it's one month max, right? And like they never actually touch it. You don't have to do anything. That's what's nice. Yeah, that's true. That's how everyone should do it. No one should try to start their own thing because chances are there's somewhere that does it better already in existence. You don't need to scroll through it. And if you have a legit one, that's great for you. You're an exception. I don't mean to call anyone out, but for most things, the disease was just he sure there's a 2024 golf event coming up. I'm thinking about attending. Oh, God, we're going to we should translate golf. Eric is so out of it. Eric, all you gotta do is go to smash JT's channel and watch like his last 10 videos. You'll know everything you need to know like 22 videos. Yeah, 22. Oh, wait, smash. Are you drama? Are you drama alert? Oh, my God. Oh, Eric. Yeah, what are you been playing lately? Tears of the Kingdom. Hell yeah. I just got the last Sage and I technically unlocked the defeat Ganon quest quest. So, but yeah, that's not going to happen for a while. I'm going to go around and, you know, find all that. So basically, talk to him end of next year. He might finally like 52 episodes from now. He might finally go into the shrines, get the other side quest, sell the he's 100% in this game. No, besides the core oxy. Yeah, besides the core oxy and the actually filling out the full compendium. Oh, fudge that. You know, you can buy a lot of them. No, I don't. You don't have to. I already I already completed that task and I only bought five pictures and it was like, Oh, you're not. Okay. Yeah, like what? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, no. So. Hell yeah, man. Yeah, that's where I'm at. All right. Smash JT. You want to tell these people who you are and what you've been playing lately? Oh, man, that's a loaded question. I'll start with what I'm playing. Trying to advertise your channel. You're the best one to advertise. Is your name because you want to have sex with Jason Tatum because same? Yes. And it's really awkward to finally admit that, but it's not because those are your initials and it there was a game, right? It's it's because of the first thing. It is. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's making sure. No. Okay. So I don't really advertise my channel. I just kind of let my videos do the talking for me, but I dabble in a little bit of everything. Sometimes someone can call it drama. I call it entertaining infotainment. And I'll talk about Nintendo news, PlayStation news, Xbox news, if it interests me. It's really just like when I'm inspired to talk about something, I'll do it. And I also run a website, smashjt.com, where I write articles for everything that interests me as well. So that keeps me. Oh, man. That's what the website is. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. There is a segment down. No, I'm just kidding. So games I've been playing. Here's an issue that I'm having right now. Here's the kingdom. I got like 70% through it. And I just couldn't bring myself to finish it because I like it so much that I'm like, I don't want to end. So I just keep doing other stuff or playing other games. So in the meantime, right now, Mario Wonder, I got the PlayStation portal. So I'm going back to go to war, Ragnarok, which I never beat when I first got it. I'm still not to. I know that yet. You're free DLC. That's crazy. Yeah. And still hooked on slayless fire, which I warn everyone never to play that game because it will consume your life. That's about it. That's fair. Has anyone played Slayless Fire here? No. I've never even heard of it. Dude, it's in my head right free ever since you made a video about it. I made a video about it like a year ago. That's like my one of my like pop tier on my backlog. You know what? I'm going to start it tonight. It's really, really good. My brother that you met at the Red Sox game, I got him played it and he's like so hooked on it. Oh, we were talking about it at the Red Sox game actually. Really? Yeah. So did everybody here go to this Red Sox game except for me? Like, no. I have no desire to go to a Red Sox game. I'm good. This is like the third time that somebody's been to the Red Sox game and somebody else has been. I was like, wow, I must have missed that on something. No, we just had it. We just had a good day slash night. It was an awesome day. We had dinner, had everything was awesome. It was a great day. All the kids were there too. We had a big group. Yeah. My son couldn't stop talking about Tears of the Kingdom, which was awesome. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another Austin. Yeah. Another Austin. Austin. He was named after you, Favoy. Yeah. I love it. Oh boy. I love to see it. Yeah. What you were saying earlier, Jeff, though, about your channel is like, dude, you do the same thing I do is when you're passionate about something, you make content on it. And I do the same thing. That's why like, I don't cover restocks for every new product, just the products that I'm passionate about, because you just can't, unless you have like an energy for it. And that's why Nate covers Nintendo stuff, you know? Yeah. That's the only way to make it work. But I've seen you could do, you could do a three hour podcast on that topic alone. But yeah, not, yeah, not exactly, but on that topic of being passionate. I have been such a rap down such a rabbit hole of like Nintendo menu music specifically. I love Nintendo music to begin with. But Nintendo menu music is just so fascinating. Dude, you should make a one hour video on that. Like those are so. No, what I've been doing is I've been making a bajillion shorts about it. Dude, that means that you should be pairing yourself. Now you're like, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing. Anyway, sorry to you, Jake. Well, Jake, tell the, tell the class who you are, what you've been playing. There we go. My name is Jake Randall, AKA the two inch destroyer. And I think let me, let me just double check. Cause I did boot up my PS five the other day. Oh, I like, I started the God of War DLC, but I didn't really play that much. And that's all I've played. And that makes three weeks in a row, but it's because my friend owns a bakery. It's slammed during like Christmas. And Thanksgiving. So I was slamming the doughnuts. All right. Yeah, I was basically, yeah, I was just there. Like nothing else. He's got to make sure the holes are the perfect size every time. Hey, staffer on city TV in the chat. Great channel. Also going to be a guest on this channel. January 10th. Yeah, I was asking you when it was today because I forgot to write it down. I just didn't reply to you. Yeah. So after on city TV is going to be on the, going to be on our show January 10th. So two weeks, if you like Pokemon content, please check out her channel. I was a fan of her channel. And I was like, you know what? Why don't you come on the podcast and she's down. So what is their name? Andress is in the chat. Hey, Andress at the ad building cough drops are kicking in enough to come on. You're more than welcome. I can send you the link. Are they a streamer? That being said, I don't think they stream. They make more like content. The content that I watched specifically was they did like Kanto and they also did Johto. Just like a kind of like, I feel like I've seen this person a big review, but also like what they've made videos and like what changes they would make. And honestly, I had a whole month where I was just consuming that content. Like so many of those, all of them I could find because I was replaying heart gold. Yeah. And then that crystal legacy rom hat came out. So I was just all in. I just didn't watch a ton of videos and hers was one of the channels I came across a retrospective. That's the word. And her Johto one is part one and part two is awesome. You know who's also awesome? Apparently your smile, $2 super chat box and Ivy. I love it again. Thank you so much. Boxes is the old account. I'm telling you, I'm telling you guys. Yeah, I'm just over there. It's just kind of a thing. Oh, all right. He's like, look, I'm showing you some more than Nintendo Prime. Here's a couple. Jake lights up the room, baby. Hey, thank you, Jake. Yo, Jake. Thanks for the five of the chat, Jake. No problem, Jake. Yes, region based content. Thank you, saffron city TV. So what have I been playing lately? Well, holidays is a crazy time. So super busy with the fam over the last week. But because of the chat on Monday, I got to get tortured for two hours yesterday playing Henry the hamster something game, the worst game in existence. But if you want to play it, it's 60 cents on the e shop. It's a level. I was watching by saying anything. There's 300 levels again. If you played one, you've played them all. It's very boring. And it was terrible. It was not fun. I got gorgeous watching it. Why not from you from the game? Why do you spend time playing a crappy game when there are so many great games in the backlog? Well, we'll see. You have to understand something. We do these live streams and sometimes these goals come up and the chat kind of just made the goal. Hey, if we hit this, you know, this X amount of money and super chats, you should have to play this horrendous game on your next stream. So of course it happened. So of course I had to and I couldn't just was out and like only play for a few minutes. So no, I'm like, no, unless we hit the same amount of money from the prior night, this is the whole stream. Everyone enjoy me bitching about this stupid hamster game for the next three hours. Thankfully, mercy happened about two hours in and we finally got there. But I'm like, man, I think I don't know that people were enjoying the torture. There are people legitimately upset that I stopped playing the game because they're like, no, they need more torture or more hamster. Yeah, I know what he said. Anyways, while I do that and get understood, I guess I can go over what I've been playing lately. Besides that, I also did. And you know what? I guess for the lamb just said I'm out. No, for it. There's some beef between the lamb and right when you found out that Andres was coming on my other's beef. I wasn't aware of I went to pull up the like notes for this episode and I accidentally hit the X. I was like, I'm trying to move it all around anyways. Like likely story. So besides that, I did play some Mario Wonder with my kids. I've already beaten the game. So it was just, you know, they got Mario Wonder for Christmas. So I played I played that. And then I did play a smidge of Breath of the Wild actually, because I was just seeing how it felt after tears of the kingdom. And it felt about the way I thought it would feel. I'd rather play tears of the kingdom. Yeah. So the abilities are better in some ways. But otherwise, you ever go back to Breath of the Wild and really enjoy it after tears of the kingdom is a real question. I think you can. I just don't care. Oh my God. If Andres, oh, Andres in the chat, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would argue that you absolutely can. Of course he would. So he'll be here in a moment. We've got a couple of super chats we could throw up here. I'll wait for Andres to pop in because he can tell us what he's been playing lately. The taker 610 said I saw 127 hours of tears looking to 100% walk through on YouTube. I'm not surprised. I mean, there's probably people 100% faster than that. Wait, taker, was it in parts? You can't upload 127 hour long video, okay? Yeah. No clue. You can stream for that long, man. Just don't keep that. No, no. You can stream as long as you want. They only keep 12 hours. Yeah. Yeah. Upload. And the whole thing got nuked. Oh, if you go over 12 hours, the whole thing is all gone. Really? Dude, we've done longer than 12 hour streams. They just wiped out everything after 12 hours. Not mine, dude. I don't know. Maybe you weren't keeping it clean enough. It was actually pretty wholesome. Maybe that was the problem. That was the problem. It was too wholesome. See, they kept my stream where a violent act apparently happened that they deleted. It was before the 12 hour mark. I was ranting about E3 and I took a water bottle and I chucked it and it bounced up and hit the camera. Somehow that moment is deleted from YouTube history even though it was well within the first 12 hours. Wow. He said it was 127 hour video. I'm looking at it up right now. Honestly, impressive. I said, I know there's 10 hour videos, but I didn't know about that. 127 hours. What's it called? Can I tell my stream story real quick because I'm not about it still? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was literally, I think it was two and a half years ago. It was when the Halo Edition Xbox Series X came out. I did an 18 hour live stream on launch day and I ended up buying one successfully. How much streams go? There was a couple thousand people in there. Everyone's spamming Ws. Got it. Got it. It's getting a ton of super chats, whatever. I just see one super chat for $5 and it was like, Jake, I've been here for about 12 hours, didn't get one. I was trying to get one for my son. He's in the hospital right now and he has cancer. Just so you know, it was worth the time I spent and I love getting to know you. I was like, what? I looked at their username and tried to find them on Facebook to see if they were real person. I did and I was like, I don't need the ones that I just got. I tracked her down on Facebook and then this is all happening on the live stream. Will you please just take the one that I got for your son and he refused to do it because she's like, well, just let me pay you for it. I'm like, you don't have to do that. Then the chat started donating money to me to pay for it for her so they donated $500 and I'm like, listen, it's paid for already and she's like, I refuse to accept it unless you let me pay for it. I'm a nurse. I can pay for it. I just want to buy one. I was like, all right. I sold her mine, sent her mine and then took all the donations from the chat and donated it to the American Cancer Society. And then I tweeted about it and then all these big Twitter accounts started donating like thousands of dollars to the American Cancer Society and it was like one of the best moments of like my streaming career and it all got deleted. But I mean, obviously it was still a good thing and I'm friends with that woman and her son to this day and her son's name is Jacob and yeah. And he's really, really healthy today. He's had to have a lot of like surgeries and stuff, but he's in good shape right now. So that's my thing that you can never, ever see because YouTube says 12 hours is it. That is savage. Yeah. I literally had several live streams go past 12 hours and they've never been deleted. Yeah. What was crazy too is the live stream was on trending. It was number 30 on trending. And when you clicked on it, it just took you to and said, sorry, you can't watch this. Yeah, buddy. Way to hit that trending page hardcore, buddy. How many times have you been trending, Jake? How many times? Yeah. I eat a rag or anything. Probably how many times I've been trending? Probably 30 to 50. Wow. I was thinking like four or five. I'm not zero trending like all the time. Oh, that's right. People know me. I'm kind of a big deal. My highest was three. Oh, geez. I remember tweeting like, sorry, Cardi B. Maybe you can pass me next time. So now that we're done with the Jake Randall Bragg fest. I always say no bragging. I always say no bragging. I just want to impress Jeff. Okay. All right. Welcome on just restart a surprise edition since I didn't think he was going to make it at all based on how he's doing. All right. Welcome back. Yo, I'm sorry that we hate each other, but you know, I don't hate you. What do you mean? We're starting the war. I ruined his podcast of like a month or two ago. Trust me, you were the last thing that ruined the podcast. I ruined one of them. Anyway, I'm glad we're good. It's good to see you. Smash JT. It's good to see you in video. It's been a long time coming to be on a stream with you. Yeah. So actually, honestly, it's been too long. It has. Yeah. So do you think it's you're able to go back to Breath of the Wild after Cues of the Kingdom? I was listening. Jake, you know, I know you are. You know, so well. I absolutely think you can revisit Breath of the Wild. I mean, it's to me, it's like it's somewhat like playing Galaxy One versus Galaxy Two. True. That's a great comparison. I like, I like both games. Listen, I know you just agree, but I don't care. I'm just telling you how I feel and that's fine. Your opinion's valid. I agree. Awesome that it's a great comparison. I told him that. Yeah, I think that's a fantastic comparison. They're both just goaded in their own right. Yeah, it's not. Obviously, it's not perfect. There are differences, but I mean, like Breath of the Wild has a little bit of its own feel, I feel like, or if you want to look at it as like maybe the beginning of the adventure and tears the Kingdom's like the second wave or like the season two. If you want to look at it like that. I mean, there's a lot of shows where the season two is better than the season one, but you still want to go back to season one if you're going to watch the whole show. Yeah, it's like a $70 DLC, right? You know, you know, even though I adamantly disagreed with that point that people are making, leading up to release in a, you know, I do as well. Smash. What did I tell you? Smash. What did I tell you? He just, just lays the bait. It's kind of like in a weird, ironic way. It's true, but in the best way possible. So good. Yeah. Andre 3 started saying it's a $70 DLC. Got it. I want to see that video pop off the kickoff 2024. You calling tears of the kingdom $70 DLC. Yeah, I'll also be called a hypocrite. So, you know, here's the thing. You have to start out the way you usually start off. You're just going to be like, Hey, look, opinions change over time. It is different now. Yes. Because like, duh, of course opinions can change. Like otherwise no one's mind could ever be changed when new things get entered into an equation. Yeah. So when I was a kid, I thought one plus one equal banana, but then I was just told differently. Just to clarify though, for those that may be a little confused by what, by what I'm trying to say, I am not agreeing with the point that people were making leading up to release that this year's kingdom just going to be a bit overpaid DLC, but just more so in the, just more so in the point that it just describing it as a DLC is a good way to say, Hey, this is like a continuation of the world. It's really tears of the kingdom is just Nintendo exhausting everything they could with the world of Hyrule, which if you go back to their interviews, you'll see that what I just said matches up really well with what they say. They exhausted everything they could do in Hyrule. And so you're just kind of exploring it to the fullest into the kingdom. Yeah. Plus the sky and the depths. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Just it's an expand. Like when I say expanded it, not just like physically, but also like how, you know, like with ascend and all that, even like interacting with the characters and seeing them further into the future. But yeah, physical expansions. How do you guys feel? Oh, go ahead. No, sorry. I was just gonna real quick, just building off Andres was saying about tears of the kingdom and how they poured their heart and soul into making it as full and big and great as possible. And they succeeded in most minds, including myself. Where do they go from here with that? And I know you've covered this. I've covered it. I know it's been leaked that they're most likely going to revisit like the past or remake something previously. What do they do? What do they do now? Like if they've explored and done everything in Tears of the Kingdom, where do they go from here? Are we talking about New Zelda or like a revisiting an old Zelda? I'm talking about Nintendo. Like where do they go from here? For like in 3D Zelda development? Just Zelda in general. Zelda in general. Yeah, Nintendo. Where do they make that? Is it a 2D game? Would be banger. That should go hard. Remakes or remasters are for sure a thing. That's happening before the next big Zelda game. I think, I think, Jeff, correct me if I'm wrong. I think what you're asking is where do they go with the next mainline non-remake 3D game? That's what you're asking. Well, no, I was I was just saying. But yeah, but I guess it's two-fold. I want both answers. I want to know where they go next with whatever remake. And then from there, I also want to know, building on top of Tears of the Kingdom, where do they go next with that? So I guess you're right, Jake. I'm asking me a motto right now. So give me a second. Oh, Zelda movie. He's not even careful. You're not even wrong. That's actually like such a bad answer. Especially for me a motto. That's what he's working on. It's kind of insane that they announced that via a tweet. And it was like the most like, hey, Nintendo, it was the it was in the phrasing of like, hey, this does not feel like an official tweet. It feels like we got hacked and somebody's saying, hey, be a motto here. You know, like. Yeah, yeah. I can't. Do you think that they would make the next big mainline Zelda game based off of whatever the Zelda movie is and make it that world? No, no. Or would the Zelda movie just be based off of Hyrule? I mean, I think it was not going to be based off of it. I think they take the Mario movie route where it's just kind of like its own thing. I mean, like it's based off of a lot of other stuff, but it's not really like, they're not really tied with each other. I kind of agree. Yeah. Yeah. All right, kitty. Oh, that's your cat's tail. Oh my God. I was actually my tail. Hey, you got it. You got it. It doesn't matter what Nintendo does next. Well, I think the future is all that. I mean, obviously, I think it is obvious that we're going to get some remaster, some remakes, hopefully a 2D top down Zelda as well. But the big thing is the next 3D Zelda. And I bet Nintendo has an optimism that it'll even be bigger than Breath of the Wild. That's always going to be their goal. The Zelda team is always trying to one up themselves. Andres, I got it. Orcarina of time 2. You mean Majora's next? Okay, Orcarina of time 3. No, no, no. Majora's next isn't really a sequel to it, is it? Like a direct sequel to it? No, it's not a direct sequel. But it's, I mean, it's Link. It's the same Link. It takes place after. Yeah, I guess technically, yeah. I mean, it's like it's also its own story on its own. It's not. You don't need to play Orcarina of Time. Yeah, like, but it's still, it's set after Link comes back to the past. Could you see them doing Orcarina of Time Remake and then the following game being Orcarina of Time 2? Uh, probably not. Here's the thing about Zelda games. But I would love it. They wouldn't even make Tears of the Kingdom a true sequel to Breath of the Wild. And what I mean when I say that is like, they, all like the champions, everyone, they wiped it clean. They made Tears of the Kingdom so people that never played Breath of the Wild could play it. And that was a game that came out on the same system cycle. And they made it so like you go around Hyrule and people don't even like remember you're the person that just saved everyone. Like you interact in towns and no one, no one knows who you are. I mean, some characters do, sure. But like a lot, it doesn't feel like you're the hero. Yeah, a lot of fans are upset with that. Yeah, they, and that's how they do it with sequels. And if you look at, you know, Majora's Mask to Orcarina of Time, same thing, right? It can be contained in itself. So even if they did a Orcarina of Time Remake, to me, I don't know, it just seems unlikely that they'd go that route. But you know what? They did something brand new with Breath of the Wild. Yeah. Well, think of their history. They've done Link to the Past. And then they did, um... A Link Between Worlds, right? A Link Between Worlds. Back in the day on its own too. No, no, no. But I'm saying like they've revisited Link to the Past by doing a quasi-sequel to it in that world. Yeah, that's what I was suggesting is another new like 2D sequel or just like a standalone 2D game, I think would go pretty hard in my opinion. Yeah, a quasi-sequel, I get. But not like a straight up Orcarina of Time 2. So the thing is, is that Twilight Princess and Wind Waker are also arguably sequels. You kind of look at them that way. Because Wind Waker technically takes place just a little bit after, a decent amount of time after Orcarina of Time. But it's like, right. It's basically, it gets confusing. Now I'm starting to get a little... Oh, it's a little bit of a stretch. It's not a stretch. It's literally what happens though. Spirit Tracks is more... Okay, but what I'm trying to say is not really. Because literally the... So when you're an adult, right? When someone says Twilight Princess, the first response is I mean, oh, you mean the sequel to Wind Waker? Like, you know what I mean? I understand what you're saying, but we're just talking about like story and like characters and like the world. Like literally the world that you explore as an adult in Orcarina of Time, that world becomes a Wind Waker. And then the world that you explore as a child in Orcarina of Time, that world becomes... Aren't they on different timelines? Yes. Yeah, I'll tell you now. A child timeline, the adult timeline. Yeah. The adult timeline is the Wind Waker, the child timeline is Twilight Princess. Literally what I just said. I know people get mad at Nintendo for the timeline of Zelda being all over the place and not really connecting, but the other perspective you could take from that is it allows Nintendo to make infinite Zelda games to stop asking questions. Yeah, they were like, you know what? Let's just go so far. They don't care about the timeline. Nintendo doesn't care about the Zelda timeline. The timeline was retcon for the beginning as far as I'm aware. Yeah. This is why I disagree with you guys, because there are interviews where they say they do take it into account, but it's not so important that it shapes the development of the game. I think it's more of like, I don't think they planned it out from the beginning, nor they think... I think it's more of like when you say they plan, they take it into consideration. I think it's like, they're going to put something in there. Is the story of this game going to be retconned? Lock it all up? Or is it going to invalidate something from a previous game or can that work? Yeah. They're not going to bend over backwards to make everything fit. Like that's probably what that means in anything. They'll throw in bones for us to kind of like, oh, that's cool. That connects. But they're never going to be like, oh, we need to like bring in like physicists and mathematicians to really make sure if this makes sense. Like they're not going to go that hard on it. It's pretty hard to connect to Timeline when it involves time travel. Well, yeah, exactly. That's why I mean physicists. Like it starts to get into crazy stuff. But... That's why we'll never have a true sequel to Chrono Trigger. Didn't we kind of agree that the only like mainline Nintendo franchise that has a continuous Timeline is Metroid? Yeah, I think it has the most thought out Timeline. Yeah. It makes the most sense. Or Kid Icarus. I should say most intentional. Yeah. I mean, the thing is the Metroid Prime series starts to muddy that a little bit because that's made by Tanabe. But then Sakamoto is the is a 2D Metroid creator. Yeah. But yeah, there's more time to Metroid compared to Mario and Zelda. I take issue with where they put Metroid pinball. I don't agree with the timeline of that one. See, and that's one of those things. I know you're joking. But Metroid Prime pinball is amazing. Like it is. It is funny, though. Because the thing is when I play the game as a kid, I was like, how are all these enemies alive? I killed them already. But I was like, I don't care. It's still fun. Yeah. But to go back to your question, though, right? I've had this idea of what I want the next Zelda to be. And I could go in hours and just talking about that. And I'm not gonna. But I will say that the way Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were made, those games were finally made because the systems allowed for it, right? They finally had the ability to produce those games. And so they did everything they could with Tears of the Kingdom. And then the next system, I think we all believe is going to be substantially more capable. So they're going to, they're whatever we thought, like if we think Tears of the Kingdom is kind of like this incredibly amazing thing. I'm kind of like just thinking, all right, well, they're going to, they're going to blow that out of the water because they're going to have processing power to like overhaul that physics engine even more so. They're going to be able to have even greater scope, more going on. And so more delays. And that's why I think we need this Ocarina of Time remake. I think we're going to need, we're going to need some, some remasters to these Zeldas in between before we get to the next Zelda. Yeah. But I need some desserts. They did surprise people with Link's Awakening, really. That wasn't like. I need a Hyrule Warriors too. That's sequel to the first one. Because look, you guys are going to go all you want. Dude, it has a really damn good story. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I just got so bored after the first hour. Okay. Okay. Okay. You got to decide the fact that Warriors gameplay is repetitive and boring. I guess not. Wait, Nate, let me just ask you this. There is two Hyrule Warriors. Yeah, Age of Calamity is not a sequel to the first one. That's a prequel to Breath of the Wild. You want it to be equal to the first one? Yeah, the first one has got its own original story. I never played it. I saw it on the completionist channel though. I bought it and never played it. I bought it and played it and stopped playing after like six hours because it was just too repetitive. I get it. I'm the only person that likes Hyrule Warriors. Moving on. That was my only comment here. I like Age of Calamity. I loved Age of Calamity. Age of Calamity was awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. And why were you into it? Probably because it's a prequel to Breath of the Wild, whereas Hyrule Warriors is a completely original story. I beat Age of Calamity, so how was I not into it? I'm saying that you were probably into it because it was a prequel to a game you love versus a game that is its own original. The story and characters definitely had me more into it. You played Hyrule Warriors for the story? Yeah, the story in Hyrule Warriors is amazing. Yeah, that is the story. It happens when you're not wanting to see what happens. I think it goes beyond story, though, because the game looked a lot like Breath of the Wild and it had a lot of similar mechanics. I mean, obviously, that's a very different game, but it was cool. Also, this was back in 2020, the pandemic year, where that was the greatest drought. Who needs to make excuses to play a Zelda spinoff? I am so confused. You don't need excuses. So, I'm not a spinoff, so really bad. I have never played Spirit Heroes. Name one. That's not a spinoff. Tri Force Heroes. Tri Force Heroes isn't a spinoff. No. Wait, Spirit Tracks is a mainline? Yes. That's a mainline? Yes, those are both mainline games. All right. I didn't like Ken and Samara either. No, that's an indie game that's not even... Ooh. That is a spinoff, though. That's a spinoff. Do we call it a spinoff? I didn't like those games. The Crypt in the Necromancer. I didn't like it either. I tried to. I tried. If you don't like the game it's partnered with, then, yeah, you won't like it. Yeah, then you just don't like that. That style of game. That style of game. That rhythm combat stuff. Rhythm games are tough for me. Those are the hardest levels in Mario Wonder. Link's Crossbow Training, Cody B said. Dude, that's a great one. I actually have it. I've never played it, but I have it. Oh, yeah, you should try it. I should put that in. I should put that in. You should put that crap in on real games. Game Wilde is praising a minigame. Got it. But... Hold on. I like Loose Crossbow Trading, too, so... Why do you think it's a great game? You could have said the CDI Zelda games. Those are like universally just very good. What are those? Yeah. Are those considered spin-offs? Yes. It's just poor memory. I felt like it did. Oh, yeah. It came out every time with a bunch of other DS games, and I was just like, I didn't really focus on it. I mean, and I guess it also depends, like, you know, is Spirit Tracks a 3? It's not a 3. I mean, I don't put in the conversation is Ocarina Time Majora, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, the Skapper Sword, right? But it, you know, it's on the timeline. And it's made by a official Nintendo Zelda team last night. I mean, actually, even then, do you guys think after what they did with the Mario movie, I'm letting Princess Peach a lot, and then giving Princess Peach her own game, do you think that they could do something similar with Zelda? Partnering with Phillips? Zelda game, Zelda game, Zelda game. So the game... Zelda finally got her own game on Switch 2. It's only fitting the last podcast of the year that didn't have a Zelda topic in any of the topics today. They both... Has been a Zelda topic for the entire first game. I actually want to go back to what we were talking about earlier about the idea of like an Ocarina Time sequel. So envision this scenario, right? Zelda movies probably going to be a few years from now, but it'll, but by the time it comes out, if we are going to get a remake of Ocarina Time, it'll be after that. And you consider the recent interviews where they were kind of hinting at maybe some sort of increased playability or interaction with Princess Zelda. Imagine hot off an Ocarina Time remake, hot off a Zelda movie where Zelda plays a prominent role. We get a movie that's based around Sheik. Or not a movie, a game, a Sheik game. Actually, that's what they could do for Ocarina Time too. I think you were talking about this, Andres. You played through it, but as Sheik. Like so you see all the stuff you didn't see playing through at his link. Like either they throw that into the remake or it's like it's a spin-off, right? It's a spin-off. And I think what's interesting, I think Retro Studio is at one point, they were trying to make a spin-off title like this. It was me based off, maybe not Sheik, but like a character very much like that. Like a Sheik character, like a Sheik of Ninja. Like that would be cool. A Sheik of Ninja game based in the world of Zelda. Like that would be, that could be cool. And if it ends up being that that's like Zelda in disguise, but you don't find out until the end of the game, like they kind of like pull a Samus, but in modern day. Like they never get all of the Uranus to make it again. Andres, that opens up a whole can of worms. I don't think you can do that anymore because the internet ruined that kind of stuff. You can't have like a crazy reveal after a long game because it's like, oh, the game leaks two days before it comes out and it's, everyone's talking about it. I changed, yeah. Is this a segue into the whole issue with the, what the, the cartridge thing? The flash cart? It's a segue. Yeah, it's as good of a segue as we're going to get, right? Yeah. Is that the next topic? The flash cart problem? Yes, it is. We might as well go into it because I think it's heavily related. So let's get it. I'll pretend I know what was just said. So flash cart, I legitimately was zoned out. Don't know how we even segue to this, but there's a flash cart coming for Nintendo Switch. It's happening. It is called the MiG Switch. It is not released yet. It is developed in Germany, but for some reason it's a Russian website. We'll get into that in a moment. They're just trying to skirt all the laws. There's no prices for it. They are currently taken on distributors. So this is where you go to Amazon and other warehouses or whatever. They're going to actually carry it to sell it. We don't know the price on it. And yes, it does work. It works with every single operating system on Switch. There is some caveats, though, that have been brought up. Is it going to be in the video on my channel tomorrow? But it is worth talking about because Nintendo was prepared for this. Prepared for this for a while. So according to Mike Heskin, who is one of the primary data miners and hackers of Nintendo Switch, who's been helping with the homebrew scene, he said five bullet points on this. Basically the Lotus 3, it's okay if you don't know what that means, it has to be decapped. It's necessary to a certain secret hardware keys used for communication and to decrypt the game card certificate. So basically what they're saying is the game card certificates have to be decrypted by Nintendo in the first place. So since the game card certificates are still needed to be signed, you will always need at least one legitimate certificate to forge anything. Certificates are tied to a single physical game card. They can still be tracked and blacklisted even when forging communications. Hence why the supply your own policy which translates to, we don't know if bans will happen, but if they do, better not trace it back to us. If you actually read their website, there's an entire policy on, they're like, oh, it's not our fault that people are using flashcards to play illegal ROMs because that's exactly why flashcards are actually popular. Anyways, Nintendo predicted this at some point to happen. So a second security scheme that relies exclusively on asymmetric crypto has always been on standby. I bet they're going to put it in action on the console or on switch via a firmware update. Basically, they already have a security measure in place to black flashcards. It's just not active at the moment. So suspect a, once this card's out there and Nintendo can get their hands on it, they're going to be dropping a firmware update. So it's no longer going to work on all firmware. It won't work on whatever the latest one is. I mean, I didn't know that. And just say it kind of strikes me as frightening that video game companies have higher levels of security and thought than world government. But go on. Yeah, for real. It kind of like, for me, it's hard to really care that much because everything that, all this does is it just makes it easier for people who can't figure out how to do it on their regular switch because you can do everything the flashcard can do. You can do it right now. I have this switch right here. I can go to the eShop, pick any game I want and download it for free. You're watching Nintendo. I'm just kidding. But I'm not kidding. And, uh, no, you, I mean, Prove it to us. Why? Prove it, Jake. Right now. It was an in-depth tutorial. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a great idea. And this is probably why Nate got shot. No, but seriously, like, if you know how to do it, you can do it right now without a flashcard. You can just use an SD card once you do it to your switch. Just take the SD card, pop it out, point it in your computer, put whatever you want on there. Pop it back in. I mean, it's easy. I mean, you can, you can do it right now. So this is just makes it easier for the masses. And that's what Nintendo is afraid of. I mean, they know it can already be done and they can't keep up with it because every time they try to do an update for like stability, that, you know, it's just to try to stop the people who do that all the time. They typically do it before a new game drops to try to stop the people who get the game a few days early. But all it does is it stops the people who need to wait for the public updates on GitHub to come out. And then it should, but still hundreds of people still download the brand new game when the, you know, stability update comes out. So they just want to make it as hard as possible. But once this comes out, the smart people will continue to make updates as well to bypass that security. The reason the security isn't active now is because they know as soon as they put it into effect and people start using the flashcards, it's only a matter of time before they find a way around that too. So they wanted to keep it hidden as long as possible. Well, here's a greater concern, too, is say they do implement that patch and update for the crypto, whatever, and it does work. And they start working on getting around that. My concern I brought up in my video when I was talking about this is a greater concern is the Switch 2 and backwards compatibility. And if it has the same slot, it's going to be an issue that follows it forever. Yeah, it's like the 3DS. See, here's the thing. I'm not as concerned with the backwards compatibility thing with it because all that really means is if you were hoping Nintendo was going to do cross-gen for a couple of years, they'll just not do it. And they'll just make it all on Switch 2 then. Well, I mean, you're assuming that they haven't started prototypes of the Switch 2 and haven't started some sort of production of them. I'm thinking... They probably have, yeah. But that won't matter because the flashcard won't work for Switch 2 games in particular. It'll only work. Yeah, but it'll still be able to do it with Switch 2. It'll still be able to work for Switch games on the Switch 2. On the Switch 2. Yeah, that's why I said they just won't do cross-gen anymore. So they can't do anything about the games that have already released. You know what I mean? Plus, there's always the inherent risk. And this is going to be true for anyone on any of these systems. If you're using this and you're using it with illegal ROMs, by the way, they are providing a cart that can actually allow you to, without hacking your Switch, create backups of your own files. So you can dump your own games supposedly, sort of says on the website. With one of their devices. And then you can then put that on there. And in theory, you shouldn't get in trouble with that since that game ID and everything is unique to just you. It's just replicating your cartridge. But if Nintendo detects it, they can still ban you from online. Yes, if they detect it. So the big thing is Nintendo has to detect you're using the flashcard. And if they can't detect the flashcard because it's mimicking the cartridge perfectly fine, but if you're using a ROM, Nintendo has all the IDs of all the ROMs that are floating on the Internet right now. So if you ever access Nintendo Switch online, your Switch is banned. Yeah, exactly. And that'll be true on Switch 2 as well. Your Switch 2 will be banned as well. Well, I know what's crazy, dude, because I've messed around with the Switch hacking scene for a while. And I had one that got banned from online. You can still update it. You can still update your games. You can do everything because if you have more than one Switch, you can match to your local user. So you just update your legit Switch. Oh, wow. And then it will update offline locally to that Switch that's not banned. So you can continue to update it. You can continue to update all the games, like everything. So it's crazy. Yeah, the hacking scene, it's been insane on Switch since day one. I mean, they used an off-the-shelf component that had a known vulnerability and didn't fix it. So that just opened the floodgates day one. So I guess my question, I mean, I had a couple questions. So first one. So with this sort of flash cart thing, we look at games like Animal Crossing New Horizons, which Nintendo doesn't allow cloud stays for, right? I think the thinking behind that was because it could lead to cheating. Because these flash carts allow you to back up your games, including I assume also New Horizons, wouldn't that like conceivably upset Nintendo like that? It's giving people access to games in a way that Nintendo did not want them to have access to? You understand what I'm getting at? Well, I don't fully understand this. I'm just trying to make sure I understand. So the flash cart allows you to back up all your games digitally. Does that include the save data? Don't know. Okay. I assume it also meant save data. I think, Andres, you bring up a good question on user rights and privileges, too. And this is going to completely derail everything, but you said Nintendo doesn't like that. It's like, well, what about if you buy the game and it's your damn game, you can do whatever the hell you want? You don't own the game, actually. You only own a license to play. Well, that's what Nintendo says. No, that's actually what the law says, actually. It's literally in the law. You only own a license. So it's like when you buy a movie, you don't own the movie. You own a license to watch the movie. But is this the global law or is this the law? This is the U.S. There's some countries that won't even let you make backups. If you own a license for a physical game you bought, that means you can play it. However, you can do whatever. You just can't give it to anyone else. Distribute it. Yeah, you can't distribute it. You can back it up. You can back it up. That is all legal. In the U.S. it's legal. It's not for you. Yeah, in the U.S. Yes. There are some countries where you can't even make backups, but the U.S. isn't one of them. But yeah, the thing is, if the Nintendo detects that, you don't have to do something illegal for them to ban you from online or ban your Switch. Yeah, and the problem with the license thing is that when they ban you, what they're trying to do, they're trying to say that we're revoking your right to use that license. And technically, this is the part that gets sticky with the law. They have the ability to revoke your right to that license at any time for any reason. And I just want to say for legal purposes, everything I said before was not real. It was just to make a point. Right. It wasn't real bad. I was just trying to make a point. Just going back to that, though, about how the rights and stuff and you're saying, well, you don't technically own it. It's a license. The problem with digital is that actually is giving the power to the corporation to enforce that law. Whereas with physical games, it was a lot harder to enforce it. So yeah, it's there, but they can't really do anything about it. Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't it, doesn't this fall into the same clause as like an action replay or like cheating devices? Like, is that my I mean, I get like, I guess like, wait, wait, wait. I can answer one question about the save data because I actually know how that works. So when you mod a switch, it lets you put things on it that do allow you to create backup saves, overwrite saves, have multiple save files, store them for later. And if what I read about the flashcard, it's basically like modding your switch, that modding your switch when you put it in. So yes, it would give you access to those programs as well. If you just put them on the SD card, and there will definitely be a way to do that. We don't know yet. The only thing we've seen with the flashcard is that you have to, you keep popping in and out the switch which game. That's the only thing we've seen. We haven't seen anything. Trust me dude, if it's a flashcard where you can put an SD card in, they will easily be able to figure out how to give you all the, I guess, like amenities that you can by just modding your switch the regular way. I don't know about that because they're just using the base switch. Because I'm very confident. That's fine. You can be very confident. But if the switch OS, is it the reason why that hasn't happened yet? We're wearing the Celtics jersey for the last bet you lost to me. I wanted to read you this tweet, Jake. This is specifically for you. This is why I came onto the show tonight despite my poor health. Yeah. So this, you know, I follow, I follow basketball Twitter. This is completely irrelevant to the conversation. But Legion Hoops quoted you, Donis Haslam, a lifetime Miami Heat player. And he said this apparently according to the OG show. I like Tatum Brown, but them old mother Fleeppers, KG and Paul, I don't yacht with y'all. If I see y'all in the grocery store, it's on. I don't care what aisle. It could be a 7-Eleven around the cheese dip. All of it's getting flipped around the cheese dip. The cheese dip is 7-Eleven. All right. Sorry, continue. Yeah. Well, that's the quote. You know, Donis Haslam's going to throw it down with KG and Paul if he sees them in public. I put my money on KG and Paul. What? I put my money on KG and Paul. I mean, there's both of them. Maybe, yeah. I mean, KG can handle it by himself. Paul's from Inglewood, man. I put my buddy up, Paul, alone. That's true, dude. He got stabbed and still played. Yeah. Like, seven times in the past, right? So, yeah. Back to the topic. At least now I live with no regrets. So how was this related to what we were talking about previously because, like, when I faced it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Did you don this NBA stuff? No, it's not. But how was this a good segue? Because JT was talking about, like, my idea for, like, if there is a spin-off title where you play as a character, it looks kind of like a Sheikah ninja or Sheik. Then at the end of the game, they do confer. Like, the way the game is promoted, you're not sure if it's actually Sheik, just like a Sheikah ninja. But at the end of the game, it's revealed that it's actually Princess Zelda. And then JT is like, oh, but we can't really do that in this day and age because the game will leak before 11 or 11 or 11. No. And I was like, oh, right. Because thanks to physical cards, people get that and leak out the games. And then I was like, oh, flashcards segue into. Oh, yeah. Well, that's not going to be the case right away on Switch 2. That only was right away on Switch because it was Hack Day 1. Yeah, but. Switch 2 won't be Hack Day 1. This spin-off probably won't come out Day 1 on Switch 2. Well, no. It's hypothetical. I mean, you got to look how long it took. It usually takes about two years for new systems to finally get hacked. As long as it comes out within the first two years, that won't be a problem. Didn't they, like, hack to switch pretty quick? It was Hack Day 1. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But that's because there was a known, there was a known vulnerability with the chip. So that's why. Oh, right. So now this can be more customized. Yeah. It won't be a Day 1 hack. It's probably going to be the standard two years to get through everything. And we're all in agreeance that the Switch 2 is going to be just a souped-up version of the Switch 1. It's going to still. I hope so. I hope so, man. I don't really think it's going to happen. They don't do the refrigerator, but. I hope they don't do some crazy weird stuff. They don't go all Wii U with it, man. I just, just, just Nintendo, just give us like a better, just give us a better Switch, man. The Switch is just so innovative and it fills that market share space. It's Joy-Cons that don't drift. I mean, and I'm happy. Yeah. Just, just make the Joy-Cons better. Keep the battery life upscaled. Like just give us, just give us a better Switch. That's all we want. We really, you give us too many bells and whistles or you try to go too different. It'll just, you'll just have another Wii. And really, I just wonder. And I'm, I am honestly deathly scared of that happening. Cause the Nintendo's track record is it's a banger and then a, and then a dud and a banger and a dud. And we just went through a banger of a generation. So we're, we're doing for a dud. Wait, here's the crazy idea. I think it's impossible. Here's the crazy idea. Cause Nintendo does like to throw in a gimmick every time there's a console, but sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're not, sometimes they're like, they don't, they're not good, but they don't take away from it. Like the 3DS. Um, what if, remember how we saw those like prototypes where it like, I'd like a, like a flip up screen, like the DS. Yeah. What if there's like a screen inside of it that like detaches and then you have two switches, but it's like a, one of them is like a Wii U thing. So you can play two players on one system and each have their own whole screen. If you have an extra set of joy cons. I can just, I don't see the battery life crying. Go on. Yeah. I would say in theory you could do that. I'm just, I'm just thinking. It's just, it's not, it's not a cool idea. It's just, it wouldn't be cost effective. Yeah. No, you're right. I love it though. I'm like, keep talking. I like it. Well, before we dive into the switch, it's actually our last topic of the day. Let's first reflect on the year that was, since this potentially might be the final year that Switch is Nintendo's only system. So just looking back at this year, like what are your guys' thoughts? We've had a lot of really big, I mean, it was a pretty good year for Nintendo in terms of releases. Yeah. So how do you guys feel just reflecting on 2023 for Nintendo? Spoiled. It was, it was a banger year. I mean, it was just a, 2023 for gaming in general, I think is probably, like we haven't had a year like this since like either 2018 or 2007, whenever Galaxy came out. And then there was a whole other, like just for gaming in general, this has been just fantastic. I mean, even though it was obvious that Nintendo had no shot at game of the year, that doesn't mean they didn't have like really good games. You know what I mean? Okay. No shot is a crazy word to say. What's the game that has the second most game of the year wins this year? Right. Here's the kingdom. Yeah. What's all of them first? But I do agree that Baldur's Gate, 1000% deserved. No, I mean, let's just, I mean, I just forget sometimes, like, so obviously here's the kingdom. We have Pikmin 4, we had a sequel to Pikmin that we didn't even think we would ever get ever, right? Like that's, that's awesome. And I would say honestly, best, it's the best Pikmin experience out of all the games. Just that's just me though. Best Pikmin game? Yeah. Yeah, I think it is by far the best Pikmin game. It is the definitive Pikmin experience, in my opinion. You have, you have the remake of Super Mario RPG. It was a game I never played that game before. Banger. Awesome. Super Mario Wonder came out of left field last minute drop in the back of 23. Metroid Prime remaster. Metroid Prime remaster. Oh my God, a shadow drop to Metroid Prime remaster. Can we, like, can we talk about how freaking insane that was? A shadow drop Metroid Prime remastered. And awesome. Crazy. Just awesome here. Fantastic here. Also, also, they very quickly announced and released right before it chews the kingdom the best expansion of the year in Future Redeemed. I was wondering if you were going to bring that up. Yeah, well, the game words may not be aware that it's the best expansion, but I mean, if you go by, you know, all review scores and just people who play the game. It is. Okay. That was 22. Yeah. And we also got Advanced Wars. Return to the Dream of Deluxe. Fire Emblem Engage is a solid Fire Emblem game. Yours been good. It's been, yeah, it's been a banger here. We no longer have to speculate. Oh, when are they going to announce Detective Pikachu 2? They came out with it and it sucked. Oh my God, it was so bad. We don't talk about that. Yeah, I didn't hear you. Detective Pikachu returns. Oh, yeah. For years, you're like, hey, where's Detective Pikachu 2? They told us they're making it and they finally came out with it. And it just was in the same. Oh, they had, did we say Advanced Wars and WarioWare? Oh yeah, WarioWare. WarioWare, WarioWare. Band of Origins. Let me say Nintendo delaying Advanced Wars for Ukraine political reasons may have been the single dumbest marketing decision they could have ever done. Yeah. Because the intent, I understand, but it's a video game. Like they're making a statement with it that no one even cares about and that's creating a situation. It's like just, what is the game? No one cared. Yeah, you drew way more attention by doing that than you would have, no one would have added an I. 100%. All right, get off of it, you drama YouTuber. What's that? I said get off of it, you drama YouTuber. I'm just saying, I'm just, no, for the personal. For the personal. No, I actually agree with you. Yeah, that was really stupid. Remember the one person that had preordered it digitally? And it just like downloaded and let them play it? Yes, yes, yes. And then they were tweeting about it and then like within like an hour of their tweeting about it, like they lost their access. Yep. So I mean, why just leave your switch not online? Yeah, so I go down the list. We have Legend of the Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario Bros. Wonder, Pikmin 4. We have with Sea of Stars, I don't think that was a switch exclusive, but it was on our, yeah, if that's what I thought. Fire Emblem Engaged, Advance Wars Reboot. We have Detective Pikachu Returns. That's the only L we've had. So if our Kirby returned to Dreamland Deluxe, how did we forget that? Another banger. I didn't feel like saying it. You what? Say that again? I didn't forget it, but I just didn't feel like it was important enough to say. Octopath Traveler 2. That wasn't that bad. For a JRPG, I'm not a JRPG person. That wasn't a switch exclusive. Was that exclusive? Yeah, I don't think it was. My bad. That was all my problem. My bad. The only thing we care about is exclusives, apparently. It doesn't matter. Yeah. No, that's what we're talking about. I was just thinking of games that were very... I mean, the 2023 year of Switch, it doesn't have to be just exclusives. Well, he literally goes to Sea of Stars. Wait, that wasn't a switch. That was an absolute drop on switch. Signifying that he was talking about exclusives. My bad. I think it's a good point. Metro Primary Mastered, we said... Exclusives aren't the only thing that's important. What else? Just games. That's your switch. I think that was all the exclusives that we got this year, like the big ones that I can think. A Warriorware and then the Bayonetta Origins. Everything else is like... There are multi-platforms. So, some other ones that I feel like are very good experiences on Switch, but are not switch exclusives. Octopath Traveler 2. Dave the Diver. What are some other ones that are... Great indie games. Yeah, great indie games. Hogwarts Legacy. You can... Oh, did it release on Switch? That's the opposite. I can't think of anything great on Switch. And apparently people like it. Sure, Hogwarts Legacy. Dude, it's funny. Everyone that complains about Hogwarts Legacy on Switch are the people not playing it, and everyone who's playing it's loving it. I loved playing it on other platforms. I'm sure you did. Good game. Sonic Superstars. There's some other things. There's something else. Oh, and then the Sea of Stars, which I've listed previously. But it's... Yeah. Yeah. And then anything that's... Those are some... That's a good list. That's a pretty good roster for one year game. Then there was a nice little flub there. Was it Mortal Kombat 1? Oh, yeah. You could also talk about the Pokemon DLCs as well. So, you have Pokemon DLC Part 1 and 2. Or the Better Xenoblade DLC. The Xenoblade DLC. Yeah. Anyways, there you go. There's your Year of Nintembo. Good year. Oh, it's... Great. What are... Other than Tears of the Kingdom, what was our personal favorites? Pikmin 4. Pikmin 4. Pikmin 4. Yeah, that was... I think it was a... For me, I mean Pikmin 4 was great. I think it was Mario RPG because I had never played it. And I just... It was just... I knew it was a good game. And I know it's been a mainstay for forever. But it was still a very pleasant surprise for me. Me personally. My problem has always been... I didn't even bother picking it up this year. Because when Mario RPG came out, I was very frustrated as a veteran of RPGs, even when I was a kid. I flew through it and was bored. It was too easy. And I'm like, I need more of a challenge. And I feel like it's too easy. Is there a hard mode on Mario RPG? No, there's actually an easier mode. They made the game easier. Well, I had a lot of... I had a lot of direction. They had a lot of direction all the time. That felt the same. And they also made the main game easier. They also made the main game easier. Like the regular mode easier by... You have like a meter that fills up. So like, you know how like you do the action commands? Somebody tries to hit you, you time it, right? So there's a meter that fills up the more you successfully do that. And when that meter fills up, you can do it like an ultimate team attack. And that's just another way you can do spread damage. So there's another option to do big. And then also, when you time your attacks correctly, they do more spread damage through all the NPCs. Which I appreciate from a respecting my time perspective, but at the same time, it does make it quite easy. But it's unfortunate that the way they made the game hard was to throw more ads at you and not add some sort of more creative difficulty to it. But I mean, the bright side is it was a good year for 2D turn-based RPGs. Like just go... Like if you want the challenge, go Octopath Traveler too. If you want more in between, go Sea of Stars. Yeah. Can you try Sea of Stars? Yeah. They add some question 1 PCs. Yeah. I think I'm a glutton for punishment when it comes to RPGs. Especially starting out at a low level, if I can find an RPG that kicks my ass right when you get started and makes me want to play it more to get through... Like Dark Souls. Yeah. Well, I like more turn-based type RPGs that kick my ass. Like Final Fantasy 2 and 3. I got 3. Yeah. Even Final Trigger at the beginning of that's... That's a hard game at the beginning until you level up and stuff. So I feel like that's kind of lost on the next generation of games. Because... Octopath is really good for that. It is. It is. I just... I don't like the segmented storylines. I just want to focus on one group. Yeah, the story is the weak point for sure. Yeah, it's hard to find something that checks all those boxes. Right. Right. But Octopath Traveler 2 is really good. Did you ever play Persona 5? I mean, it's not 2D, but... I played it for like... I have it. I played it for like 20 minutes and then got distracted and never... And because it was too much... It's like five hours just to beat the tutorial. But once you've moved it, it starts to get so hard. And it's... It's the story's awesome. Like... I have... Did you ever play Fire Emblem 3 Houses? Yes, I did. Okay, so you know like in between the battles? Like when you just like become friends with the students and stuff? Yes. That is like in between every mission person. They basically copy that from... Well, that's what I was going to say. That part of Fire Emblem I didn't like. I just wanted the battles. Like I hated how it kept going to the town and doing all that. This is more like interwoven to the point where like you can battle all the time. It's like an RPG you can grow all day. You don't have to like... You don't have to do that in between. But it's like when you're done grinding and you need a little change of pace, then you can do it when you want. It's not like something that's forced upon you. It's kind of funny. And the story's so good. So it makes it a good overall experience. Oh, and I was thinking by the way... Sorry, Andres. Oh, we'll get to you. I have Persona 4 Golden on PS Vita. That's the one that I played. I haven't played Persona 5. Oh yeah, just jump right into 5. Like Skip 4 Gold? They're all their own stories. It's like Final Fantasy. I must use the rushing power of return in a moment. Oh, was it you, Andres, that was speaking? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, no. Andres, what were you saying? Oh, don't worry about it. No, I'm not. Well, damn. No, it's the topic that I like. No, I was just going to say with Fire Emblem. Yeah, it's fun how streamlined it is. But there is still like that hub area that you can kind of enjoy. But what I find funny about it is that with three houses, it was more mandatory. And even though you could argue that it's kind of an improvement, there's a lot of people who are like, nah, three houses is better. But I think it really just has to have a better reference. Yeah, I also understand what Jeff is saying. And that's why they gave us Engage, because that is just battles. Right. And I think it's two different styles. And so we have both. So take a pic. Yeah, I just, I feel like if they varied it more instead of battle town, battle town, battle town. Like if there was more like battle, battle, battle, battle. Oh, you can go to a town here, battle, battle, battle town here. Yeah. I think that would be that would make the town part of it more engaging because I'd care to explore it and find out more about it. Oh, here we go again. Here we go again every single time. But I mean, that was the same thing with them. What was that other Square Enix turn based game that came out last year that was so freaking good. Why can't I think of the name of it? Describe it a little bit. It's basically Final Fantasy Tactics for the new era. Oh, Project Triangle strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, thank you. Project Triangle was so damn good. But there was way too much storyline that you have to like sit through in between every single battle. And I'm like, this combat is like crack. I'm like, I just want the combat. Give me the more of this combat. And I'm like reading like, okay, I get it. I get it. I get it. It's just like, and they did the same thing with three houses with the town in between. So I'm like, just just let the game be the game. Why are we forcing injecting the storyline too much? But I mean, I'm just sounding like a boomer when I talk about that. No, no, no, it makes sense. But yeah, Project Triangle or whatever. Triangle strategy was so good. God, that was a good game. So underrated. No one ever talks about it. I forgot the name of it. Yeah, that was the Octopath team, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But great game. And you can get it cheap now. I've seen it on sale, the physical copy, on sale often for like 30 bucks. So if people haven't played it, if you like Final Fantasy Tactics or if you've never played them, great game. Great game. Anyway, carry on. Are you good? It's been a great year. Yeah, it's been a great year for everyone. Can I ask everyone, I don't know if you had this on your to-do list, what game you're most looking forward to in 2024? So, T, we actually have a Super Chat question for that for our Q&A section. Oh, sorry. Carry on then. So we're going to save that one. Okay. Okay. It's okay. This is what I do. I'm running the show. I got it. So I guess we can get into our next topic, which I know I kind of cut you guys off. Switch 2 is so exciting to talk about. I totally get it. There's a rumor on a possible January event. Now, Nekor Felipe is out there saying that, hey, he thinks Nintendo is going to reveal this thing before the end of March because of an investor's meeting they have going on in May. And then I just put some general notes like, what does it need to do to impress us and are we confident it's even going to come? So the floor is yours, guys. Who wants to just start talking about this? All right. I'll talk first. And what I want to say first is a question. And that question is going to be for you, Nekor. What do you, how do you feel about this? Feel about switch 2? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're trying to get me to start the conversation. Is what you're saying? I, I started the conversation with the question. You started by asking me a question. I threw the time ago. You just threw it at me. That's what you did. I had a billion switch 2 conversations. I just want just to keep it simple. You don't have to explain everything. But do you feel confident that switch 2 is coming out next year? Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, yeah. Yes. You know, I'm shaking button against me on that. Are you? Are you? No, I'm not. I'm the one that thought it would come out in March. All right. So actually, I think I'll be fine. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being, you'll bet your life on it. One being, yeah. That's a good one. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. You're going to kill one. You're going to kill one. I'm not going to bet my life on this. Well, then don't say 10. All right. All right. All right. Let me rephrase. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10, you would bet your YouTube channel on it. One. That's still their life, but OK. What do I win? What's an idiot for thinking it could come out next year? What do I win if I'm right? Because I wouldn't bet it for nothing. 10. His YouTube channel. Hypothetically. I just wanted to have some confidence. Thank you. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. Hypothetically, but 10. Hypothetically. OK. Just because I don't have a YouTube channel. So we've got two 10s of lamb. Where are you at with this? One through 10. Then I think it's coming out next year. Like a hundred percent. There's it. It would be honestly. You would bet your YouTube channel. Well, yeah, my YouTube channel ain't nothing. So I would bet my Twitch. If you want my Twitch channel, then we're talking a little bit different. I'm going to bet 11. I will stop taking my medication. If it doesn't come. Wait a second. I think it would be one of the biggest. We've got to be honest. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. I might wear a Jason Tatum jersey on a future episode. Hypothetically. You're already got to wear a Celtics. I think that the switch to is going to be announced in quarter one of 2024. And then it will come out in quarter three. So we're talking fiscal quarter or yearly? No, annual annual quarter calendar quarter. Calendar. Like it will be announced March and it will come out in September. Okay. Okay. I think that's I think that's pretty. Yeah, honestly. I think that's the that's the vibe. Yeah. I think that is the current consensus. Yeah. My my number that I'm going to put is an eight. But that's probably just because I'm more cautious than you guys. I say this is getting revealed in like two and a half weeks. Get out of here. Two and a half weeks. Drop it in April. I say I say I'd be surprised if it wasn't revealed. Like what's the major whatever the major spring direct is. If it's not revealed in that one I'd be. Got to be revealed before that February direct baby. You know what they need to they do need to reveal it sooner than later. They're going to push that direct back to April or something. Well, the thing is there is the financial Q&A. We're going to get that in the beginning of the first week of February. So in theory we could get like a code name announcement or an intent suggested and then the February direct could come shortly afterwards which may or may not have anything to do with the switch to but. Dude know what they do on Pokemon Day. They announced that gens one through six are going to be on Nintendo online on switch to only. Oh geez. Dude actually that would move so many units. And they wouldn't have to be. What a really don't anyone who wants my job one through six can literally pirate it. I know shouldn't support that but. Well here's the thing Pokemon fans are going to want to buy a switch to regardless but knowing that would there would incentivize them to get it as soon as possible. Well, especially if they're all compatible with Pokemon home. But I will say this is a lot of incentivizing as soon as possible. Well why would they have to get it as soon as possible in theory they should be there forever. They don't have to get it right away. Well because they want to start playing the other games and in a much easier way than currently allowed. But don't you think most of Pokemon fans don't talk about something you don't understand. No, no, no, no, no. But don't you think most of Pokemon fans who love those gens have already taken care of this. Dude, you don't understand because you're not a Pokemon fan. Me and Austin are and we're saying that it would incentivize. So listen. It would also Pokemon fans. You just give them like a crumb of something on the new system. It's like they have to have that game. They are even on any. I don't know they just they have to get it. YouTube Returns was moving you. That was the only like that's like the only exception because it's not something where like you didn't get a Pokemon from Detective Pikachu. You didn't. It wasn't one of your little buddies that you get to call yours. You didn't get to name him like, oh, little ass fart boy, little pee pee. You didn't get to bend him over a barrel and show him the 50 states. Yeah. This is my this is my little pee pee piss boy. And I I train him from the get go and I am attached to him. And this is this is it. This is the that's the draw Pokemon. And yeah, you catch the second they can go and get another one of those. You say penis card in in battle. All right. Now we're going to really go out the rails with the inappropriate stuff. But yeah, let me reel it back in though. Reel it back in. Read the tea leaves. Look at the obvious things we have in front of us. The major games coming first party from Nintendo announced for next year are drum roll. Peach show time. Peach. And that's it. Holy cow. In terms of the new game. Brits is Pete showtime. It's showtime. Come on. That's what you're coming to. Thousand years. Look, I think they're holding every single big game announcement until revealed. But they'll have to be revealed early. They'll still like use that as like nothing to hype up for Nintendo right now. To that point, they have to announce the switch to in the first quarter so that they can announce the games coming out for it later in the year. Like they can't just like the games coming out. We don't have a system for it. Yeah. So that's the obvious why I would bet plus like a hundred percent. It's based on the current lineup that they have coming. I'm sure Nintendo is expecting a even bigger sales decline next year for Switch than happened this year when we had a lot of big games coming. We don't have a Fire Emblem launching next year with a Zelda game coming a few months later. Like they don't have that giant lineup at the moment. And so without that, that means the sale of the client is going to be like this. And if they go into that investors meeting having, you know, the end of your investors meeting that also kicks off the following fiscal year and they don't have this thing announced yet, the investors will also not be happy because all they're going to see is, hey, we're on decline. What the hell are you doing about it? Yeah. I don't know about it coming out in March, but I think you guys are right. It's got to be announced February. I think personally at the latest and I think that's the question for the both of them. Where it doesn't come out till September. I mean, that's reasonable. Well, hold on. I also think it's unknown that let people know about it so they can announce the games. I need to ask you guys this, right? Because my belief is once we get like a blowout of this, we are six months. It's too long of a wait. We're talking. I think it's three to four at most once we get a full blowout. Right. But some of you guys are talking about getting like seeing this isn't come out in September, but us seeing it in March. And so to me, that's too long of a window depending on what you mean by us seeing it in March. Is us seeing it in March like just a codename announcement? I'm not announcing code names this time. I don't think we would have got. We wouldn't have actually known the codename for switch if it wasn't for a Denna thing. I don't think they're going to even announce a code name this time. JT, what did you say? I didn't hear you. I said, yeah, they'll show us the Metroid Prime 4 logo screen again. That'll be the switch to. Oh, no, do not. You can't do that to me again. Now in development for Switch 2. Now in development for Switch 2 and then logo. No, you can't do that to me. No, but I think you're onto something, Andres. I think you're right. It's it's too long of a wait. If it's ready to go. Am I the only one that lost connection? No, no, no, no. I think he's the one that lost connection. I thought he was just pausing for a fact. Maybe he said. I'm pretty sure he was out there. He's building the drama. He's building the drama. He was about to say something really good. My brain disconnected. What happened? What are we doing? No, well, JT was about to say something really cool and then profound disconnected him. Yep. Yeah. Oh, man. Maybe he was about to reveal the date. He was about to reveal the date. Wow. And we'll see if we'll see if we wake up. If the ninjas give him his internet back, we'll see what happens. His whole YouTube channel is just gone. Anyways, so how do we feel? We've talked a little bit about like when we think this is going to be like announced and maybe come out. Like what do they need to do to impress us? I mean, just individually. It really doesn't have to be that. I mean, again, just what do you say? What do you mean impress like for the reveal itself or like just the just like the system above? Just all the above. Okay. For the reveal, I mean, just honestly, just give us a direct and give it and let it be. It's one more thing. Like that's all it needs. Like it's it's it's that simple. It genuinely is. No, no, no, no. It can't be the one more thing because you got to have switched two games in the direct and you can't show the switch two games before we know what a switch two is. So it can't be the real afterwards. It's got to be open. I think you could do. It could be. It's all I think you could reveal. I don't think it would even be in a thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, no, no. This is what they do. They reveal games and then they say they do the breath of the wild approach and they're like, oh, they're on both. It's it's oh, it's on both consoles. No, no, no. I feel like they could do that. But I think they got to have some exclusives. Well, yeah. I'm not sure. I don't know. But I'm not. I think what we happens is we get in. Well, I mean, OK, in March, right, they give us the switch is the one more thing. And obviously nobody's going like there's no and if you if they're going to release that if actual console release, dude, you do that. You're effectively saying telling everyone you don't have to give a fuck about anything. We just showed you game wise. Now, yeah, now all everyone's going to care about is especially and also if you don't show the games for the switch to you're not giving us reason to be high for such to be on the system. Yeah, like, yeah. So I think the best way to show off the switch to the way to show off the switch one. Give us like a trailer that shows several games. We're like, what? What? Like they take yourself back to 20 to 2016. October, when you saw this, you saw this amazing looking 3D Mario that you would never expect anything like on Wii U. Right. That was there. But we just didn't know what it was. We saw Elder Scrolls, which put us into perspective. Elder Scrolls or anything from Bethesda, we would never imagine our wildest dreams would be on a Nintendo system. Yet they show this portable system playing Skyrim. Like, so those are things that like would kind of blow people away, right? Or even seeing Breath of the Wild and open worlds out of the most ambitious Nintendo game ever on a handheld system, still playing it as if it's a console, but portably at the same time. Like, so those are crazy things. So if you just show up a new system without kind of showing the games, I think that would be kind of like Nintendo regressing. I think Nintendo, I would like to think Nintendo learn and that it really ultimately comes down to the games, right? And so they got to come and show us what this system can do, not just hypotheticals. I think we're, I think that's, that's very what, like 2006, 2005. I think this might be why they save Metroid Prime 4 for the, for the Switch 2 reveal. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, maybe. I think, yeah. It's still going to be in Switch 4. Here's what you could do. Here's what you could do. I think it could be a bundled like one more thing. Like, oh, here's Metroid Prime 4, but this only runs on our new console. I don't know. I just think that would do it better. That would probably, I, I think I talked about that. You could get away with that, I think, but that would be so neat. No. That would piss off so many people. It's not funny. Really? That's not happening. I think that's not happening. Nintendo Switch 2, the Nintendo Switch Prime. I think Nintendo is going to give us a warning ahead of time. I think they're going to let us know that, hey, tune in on blah, blah, blah, to see the future of Nintendo's next generation hardware. Yeah. I think they're going to let us know, unlike other directs and everything else, whatever, they reveal this. Well, they're going to let us know ahead of time. By the way, bad news. So the thing is, it's interesting, it's interesting you bring up Metroid Prime 4, though, because Metroid Prime 4 had its infamous delay announcement in January. So come in a few weeks, we're going to have that five-year anniversary. Absolutely. And January is actually a good time for Nintendo to tell us bad news, because it's a few weeks before February or March will actually give us the beat of what's to come. And so if Metroid Prime 4 is not going to come to Switch, which I strongly disagree with, it's definitely coming to Switch in my opinion. Yeah, it's coming to Switch. But let's hypothetically, if it's not, right? I think they would make that announcement before the announced Switch 2. They'll say, hey, this is moving on to the next thing. Like, don't, don't, don't, don't. Oh, if they said that, then they'd open the door saying, then everyone would just move their thoughts to, okay, Switch 2 coming out. And if they do that, they need to talk about Switch 2 immediately. You know what, you're right. You're right. So let me, I agree. I changed my mind. That, that's better. That's it. Wait, Jeff, what were you saying before you got cut off? Oh, my computer overheated. Sorry about that. Oh, right. You were going to say something that was like- Yeah, it was not going to drop. It was not going to drop. You raised the release data, too. That's what I thought it was. Yeah. Yeah, Nintendo cut me off. No, I was saying that I agree with you, Andres, about the timeframe. You can't have like a six-month gap. So if they are going to have the official announcement of the Nintendo Switch 2 saying, here it is, I would imagine either during that presentation or very shortly after, like two weeks after, they'd have the game reveals. And then they would say, okay, here's the marketing bush for all this stuff, and it will be available coming next month or the month after that. It can't be much further. So now I want to readjust my thought process. I said March and then September. I think it might be March and then May, or even February, and then April. I really do think it's coming sooner than later. They have nothing. There are no games. There's nothing to talk about for that. Nothing to be super excited about. I have a year with nothing. Yeah. Entering a year where you don't know about at least one massive game to look forward to is very strange. That's why they have to have something coming in and hitting earlier. And the other thing is, as soon as they announce the new thing, hardware sales for the Switch will plummet. And they want, it makes sense to make that time period as small as possible. That all depends. I wanted to make sense to have that time period be where it's already the lowest hardware sales of the year, which is the beginning of the year. Which is always the beginning. Yeah. Can I get your opinion on this? Will Metroid Prime 4 be a launch title for the Switch 2? No. If it's coming out in May, yes. If it's not coming out. Yeah. If it's that early, yeah. But like I said, I think 3D Mario is being saved for the holiday. So if the Switch 2 is coming out, say, September or October, that I think is reserved for 3D Mario. Right. But if the Switch 2 is, if we're looking at a scenario where it comes out a bit earlier, I can see Prime 4 coming out a few months before 3D Mario. There would be something else on top of that. And also, I know a lot of people- Luigi's Dungeon. Luigi's Castle. Yeah. Obviously, I'm one of those people that completely disagrees. They are not launching hardware with a Metroid. That's not, no. I know most people. I agree with you. I would hear you say, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. They launched a hardware with Zelda. Zelda. They launched a hardware with Luigi. Time out, time out, time out, time out, time out. Time out, time out. A bad-selling Zelda game, it would be the best-selling Metroid of all time. So. Yeah. Metroid's number one game has sold just barely over 3 million units. You're not launching hardware with a game that has low demand. And I want Metroid to be a game that blows up. But again, they've never, you don't launch with a game that doesn't have that sort of demand. It's Mario. It's on the rise, though. I mean, yeah. I think Nate's saying the next Metroid Prime 4 has the potential to be a 20 million seller if they do it right. If it's like amazing. But they don't want the launch game to be- It's gotta be a guaranteed IP. Proven with sales. You know what I mean? I would say it is proven, but it's just what is- It's 3 million? 3 million. I mean, 3 million. I think you guys are really under estimating how good 3 million is, right? Didn't like, like- Yes. Like, Sony would love some of their games to sell for 3 million. Guarantee 10 million. Yeah. They want to launch with a game that's going to sell systems for years. So if that's the case, do you think they're already currently working on a major Nintendo, Mario title right now that is ready for- They've been working on a major Mario title the last six years. I bet that game's almost done. Yeah. And it's going to be a 20 million. Honestly, yeah, that would be- You think this entire time with Cheers to the Kingdom, they weren't working on a 3D Mario, but they're working on a 3D Zelda? I just want to take a moment to go back to something I was saying earlier. I'll come back to this because I was talking, because I wanted to, like, readjust my thinking. If Metroid Prime 4 hypothetically, right, is going to be only for Switch 2, which I don't believe, I think the point I ultimately want to make is that Nintendo likes to put out the bad news separately from the good stuff, so it doesn't, like, ruin the announcement. So what would happen is, they announced Switch 2, Metroid Prime 4 is not a part of the announcement at all. There's an interview, they have surfaces within a few weeks where they say, oh, yeah, this has been moved on to, you know, this system. And then later down the road, they showcase Prime 4 for a new system. I don't think that's going to happen, but that's how I would see Nintendo handling, kind of dealing with the storm of negativity. I don't think they're worrying about the storm of negativity. I just want to know that real quick. Is Princess Peach a $50 game? I think it's $60, isn't it? Yeah, it's going to be a $60. Yeah, it'd be $60. Okay, they're going to charge $60. Yeah, they're going to charge $60. I have it up right here. They charge it, yeah, they charge that for sports games. They're going to charge that for Princess Peach. Yeah. The interesting thing to me, though, thinking about the Metroid, like, you're talking about how, like, Nintendo, because obviously they did something they rarely do. They did an announcement about a delay in a developer change where they really only ever done for Zelda in the past. What I do think is interesting is I don't know that they're going to worry about backlash if they decided to switch to you because I think the real reason would be piracy. Like, we don't want this game out there early. And so, I think for them, it would be people will forgive us when we are that confident in what this game is, and we show it, and people's jaws drop. And they go, of course that's what's true. We just got the last DLC out, Mario Kart 10, launch. And I know, Andres, you're going to get a little frustrated or anything, but the hardcore Metroid fan base isn't very large compared to Nintendo's other ideas. I understand what you're saying, but the point you just made, right? Like, if Nintendo has so much confidence in Metroid Prime 4, that it's going to be a big deal. But at least they won't do the launch game. They'll do it three months after launch. It'd be the next big game after launch. Just for the record, I think 3D Mario is the most likely launch title. Plus, we actually have a real report on it as well from somebody, Andy Robinson, put it out there. Well, it wasn't a report. It was mentioned in the podcast. It was mentioned in the podcast that he had two sources. Yeah, two sources I've told them. Right. But it's not a report. So that my only point with that is it's not it's not as concrete. It's a little bit more shaky. And so I think that does open the door for the speculation of what if it's not 3D Mario. I think 3D Mario is the most likely. I think we got to wait till 2025 for Mario Kart. I don't know. What is the top selling game for Nintendo Switch? Is it Mario Kart? It's Mario Kart. It's not even 5R. If that's the case, there's a there's a case to be made to make the next Mario Kart be the launch title. To guarantee. Yeah, it could be. I think it could be, but I also think there's more to it than just sales, right? Because there are games that sell systems and there are games that sell when they're on systems that are already sold. Here's the thing that we say that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe came out. That was that was the slot. I'm talking about from Metroid. That was the three months after launch. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe came out in April. Yeah, we know about the Wii U, but the setting the Wii U is set because the Wii U is on. No, no. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe came out in April. And when exactly did Switch last March? So it was the very next big game. Yeah, a month afterwards. So we can't say that didn't affect sales and didn't help the system blow up when it literally is sold to half the audience that owns the Switch. I mean, it's definitely important. I would argue it's the most important game that's coming out on Switch. The Switch 2 launch title is going to be well, maybe second most important. I guess most of the while was probably a big deal for the actual launch launch of the system. We would have to look. We would have to pull up numbers of like how of these systems and like look at 20. So we have to look at 2017 sales and look at these games when they came out. And the problem is though that Switch also meet demands, right? So it's a little hard to kind of gauge how much the games were impacting sales when people are just going to buy it regardless. And, Andres, you make a good point. This day and age, this era that we live in, you don't even need to have a game for the console to sell out. Like the console will sell out no matter what. You won't be able to produce enough of it immediately. But what you have to worry about is the long term six months out. What's the future prospects of it going to look like? And you're going to have to have games by then for it. Yeah. And so it's interesting you bring that up, right? Because you look at Nintendo 3DS, which I would say Nintendo had a very weak launch for. They had SteelDiver and Capcom. How about N64? Same thing. They had Pilotwings of Mario 64. Yeah. That's a pretty weak launch. Like, great game. One of the greatest games of all time. But two games? Well, I mean, you could argue that. Pretty Mario. By that metric though, the Switch had a bad launch because they launched with Breath of the Wild in like snipper clips. Good point. So I guess the point I want to make is that. I remember Breath of the Wild outsold Switch hardware like the first month. Yeah, now that was great. You mean Wii U hardware? No, no. Oh, wait. What? How is that even? There are more Breath of the Wilds than out buying a Switch. Yeah, that's so funny. There were more copies sold at launch than Switches available. Well, exactly. So if we were excited for Zelda, so just they bought their game waiting for when the Switch would be ready. Oh yeah, because then there was a shortage as well, like for the beginning of the Switch life. There was a little bit of a shortage. The launch of every. Even Wii U sold out. It's par for the course. Yeah, true. Dude, people were telling us we're selling Nintendo classics for more than the Switch. On the Switch launch. That was crazy back then. Yeah, the sales charts right now for the top selling Switch games of all time. And this is mind blowing. The you know what the number 11 best selling Switch game of all time is? Not number 11. Ring Fit Adventure. How do you know? How do you know? I knew a little bit. Yeah. Why is that while though? They've worked on games doing well for multiple times now. I think that's the kind of thing that provides insight where Nintendo thinks very differently than most game companies. And we're all talking about these obvious things this whole time and I'm like, well, Wii bowling was something no one could have ever predicted. And that literally launched the Wii. And we're talking about, oh, Mario needs to be the launch channel. Can't be out of this. And we launched the Twilight Princess. Two. They didn't just launch. Yeah. But most people were buying it because of Wii bowling. Well, you could get try like Princess on the GameCube. Yeah. I'm saying weird situation. Yeah. Wii was a stated Blue Ocean strategy. No. Hey, we had a fantastic launch that was the best launch lineups ever. Because like it was I remember Twilight Princess like site truck. We need more Nintendo racing games and Wii sports. Like that's a strong like Nintendo starting line. Yeah. Those three games, those are all classics. That's crazy. Not to be that guy, but give me Nintendo Land 2. Yes. No, you're not just you're not the only guy in the room. But I'm honestly, if you could somehow, yeah, either give it probably just a sequel because somebody the Nintendo Land mini games were from the Nintendo World. Dude, that was actually like that was genuinely such a fun thing. And then make it like make the online better. So yes. Oh my God. That would be that would bang. That would be such a banger. Super Nintendo World. The game. That should be so good. Because we're so focused on the obvious and Nintendo doesn't do the obvious. So think. But they have every single system is launched with an obvious besides Gamecube that launch with Luigi's Mansion. Wait, it's Steel Diver obvious? Okay. 3D. I'm not talking about the handhelds and the 3DS. The 3DS obviously had like no launch game. I would argue the Switch is a handheld. Well, what is it called at a home console? Look at the history of their home console launches. Nintendo DS launched with Super Mario 64 DS. Yeah. And also the demo of Metroid. The DS launched with that. It didn't launch with that, did it? It launched with the new Super Mario Bros. I thought. No. What? I don't know. It was Mario. I'm not the one debated it. So I don't know that you're talking about. And I think it was used for something. I would feel like that was like a mid. What? No. Hang on. I want to look at something now. That's actually I'm just for my own like. No. See, I see like in that chat like Wilbur for Switzer says so throwing out half the launches. No, because Nintendo calls it a home console. So since they call it a home console, they've always launched their home consoles with a big known. I mean, besides Gamecube failed so bad. They literally shipped Super Mario 64 DS. What did the 3DS launch? November 20. The Super Mario 64 DS. Oh, home console. I just want to clarify on this. And we're moving. Nintendo, both I got it. I got it. Yes. Okay. Nintendo DS launched with Mario 64 DS. November 21st, 2004, which is the day that Nintendo DS came out. But the throw out the 3DS didn't launch with one of those games and it's the worst selling handheld system of all time for Nintendo. Yeah, you were selling. We launched with the so hold on a second. So a point I want to make. You look at Wii U, right? If you just look at it from a numbers perspective, they put a 2D Mario to launch the system. And so some people might think, Oh, that game sold a lot. That's a great. That makes a lot of sense. Except no, 2D Mario is a bad game to launch the system. It does not showcase. You can't do that anymore. So going back to the Mario card thing, now Mario cards a little bit of a different beast, right? Because Mario cards still hype even for the core fan base. But I just want to make the point that sales is not the only factor when it comes to thinking about the ideal launch type. You want to show that makes you. Yeah, it's got to make you feel like you need the system for it. Like like Jake was saying earlier, Nintendo always launches with some sort of gimmick. And the gimmick is what they use to help expose what the system can do. I'm telling you. So better or worse showcase for case, which do right? Yeah, well, we bowling showcase the remote. Nintendo Land showcase how the Wii U tablet could work. So we don't even know what the switch to or is going to. I know it has the pop out screen. So you can do two players on their own screen. There it is again. It launched in the Mario card and to take advantage of that. Comes with a flux capacitor to charge it. Or or it comes out with awkward time remake. And there's a co-op mobile chic. Yes. Now we're now we're talking. Actually, awkward time remake is like the one remake. I feel like could be a launch title. I mean, Mario 64 DS. You're doing great, Nate. You're doing great. Nintendo's done it before. They've done it before. I don't think that's what we're going to do. I gave me props. He's letting us. He's letting us do it. But I mean, actually, let's entertain the idea for a moment. Right. Just for a moment. Um, if switch choose coming out, say sometime between May and September, right, and they're going to save three tomorrow for the holidays, like there's obviously a hypothetical. What do they launch the system with? And if you don't think it can be Metroid Prime 4 and Mario cards 2025, what do they launch the system with? I mean, I mean, that would be it. That would be it. That would be bad. If that's the only game that would be bad. And Metroid Prime 4. All right. Let's let's let's let's let's go back to it. It doesn't matter how bad it is initially because we all agree it will sell out even if it doesn't have any. So I mean, what is the PlayStation Portal? Even that thing like is selling out. And that has nothing really so on its own. And actually to that, to that point, this is me making the case for Prime 4, right? It's going to you're helping out. You're helping me out here with this kind of look with this debate. While I do think 3D Mario obviously is the most safest, most likely most of the game to launch a system. If they're already counting for the fact that they want to say this for the holiday and they want to build up an install base to really maximize 3D Mario sales for what it is ready. And if they already expect that they're going to be it's going to be tough to meet demand immediately. Anyways, as it is for most systems, maybe you start off with Metroid Prime 4 and Nintendo Land 2. Then next month it's something else. No, no, no. Because here's the thing. The safe thing about launching with a Mario is that it's going to sell all the time. No matter how many years into the switch, people are going to buy that game. Metroid Prime 4, you got to make sure your install base is at its highest because yeah, maybe it will be an evergreen seller and go through the system, but it's not guaranteed. So you want to put it in the best position possible because you want it to be another franchise that hits those levels. So you want to set it up right this gen, I think. Sure. I mean, again, as I said initially, I think 3D Mario is the most likely launch time. Well, hold on. Jake, to your point about Metroid Prime 4, what happens if it's a launch title for the Switch 2 and at the same time comes out on the same day for the Switch? Well, that's what happened with Breath of the Wild, right? Right. So does that nullify your concern Hey, what if we're all right? Have we considered the fact that Metroid and Mario could both be launch games? I think, yeah. See, Mario could be like their Wii Sports, that big title everyone wants to buy. And then Metroid's the hardcore to get like the sub base, like the Twilight Princess. What would you do if there was Mario? And if it's a cross-chain game, it's still going to sell like gangbusters on Switch. I'm going to now mute my mic and start screaming. I'm seeing it. So I think you could be right about it being on both at launch because one thing Nintendo doesn't want to do, and they were very careful about this with Breath. Even though the Wii U only sold 13 million, right, they made sure they kept their promise and brought Breath of the Wild to the Wii U. So a system with over 100, I mean, going on 150 million hardware units, they're not going to want to break that promise. So I think it is very possible it'll come to both. I think it would be, I think it would be fine if it didn't, but I think Nintendo just doesn't want to do that so badly. You know what I mean? Like, okay, we made a promise. Even though they lie about when stuff is coming out all the time, but whatever. But I think that's possible. And it does kind of, it nullifies it a little bit in the sense that, okay, you're releasing on the hardware with all the install base there and the new hardware. And if you did that in conjunction with like a Mario, that's exclusive to the new hardware, that might work, especially if Metroid Prime 4 on the new hardware has like a little bit of a higher locked FPS or, you know, something. Maybe better graphics because of the, what's the thing? DLSS, whatever. And so, yeah, that honestly might be the most likely scenario just because I think it is important to Nintendo to keep their promise of bringing that game to Switch. And in addition to that, they could have the launch, this is dreaming now, but just stay with me. They have Mario, Mario Odyssey 2, we'll just say, Metroid Prime 4 and Ocarina of Time remake, all three of those launch with the Switch 2 and they call it the Triforce, the Triforce reveal. One thing Nintendo has been very careful about is not cannibalizing their own sales from their own sales. They've spaced out games. They've had games ready that they wait on. But three ones like that, especially, you know what I mean when they're trying to have a big release every three months is kind of what they're doing. Yeah. They could do it. It's Nintendo. No one can predict them. So that could happen. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, I mean, like, that's the thing with Nintendo is like, I think they've gotten a lot better, especially after the big pandemic and all that. They've got a better at like backlogging their games in terms, like, I mean, like, again, like, what did we say? Or did they say that Tears of the Kingdom was like done for however long and they were just polishing it and sitting on it? Like, I feel like they do that a lot now. Dude, fire on them angrily. Remember that leaked out like a year? They said it's done. It came out like a year later. Yeah, exactly. Like, I think they're just, they're very good at, I don't know, they're doing a lot better, I should say, about being, you know, reserved with their games and all that jazz. So, yeah. So you kind of talked about it. I can't stay too much longer. I got like 10 minutes left to stay. Honestly, another one that would be huge for launch that would do guaranteed sales, although I think it would make more sensors to come out later in the life cycle because of the type of gamer it appeals to would be Animal Crossing. That's so much work though. That's so much work. And I mean, you remember how much work they put into New Horizons? Like, could you imagine starting over? Yeah, it's only been three years. New Horizons Deluxe. Yeah, no, they're going to wait. They're going to wait until it's like, I think honestly, as big as New Horizons was, I think everyone that loved that game would not want to buy Deluxe. I think everyone that played that game to death is good with it. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Although it's the second best-selling game with 43 million copies. I won't lie. While I think Animal Crossing is a beautiful, fantastic game, I definitely think COVID had a contributing factor to the amount of copies that sold. How many millions of copies of Animal Crossing do you think sold to people who just bought that in a switch because they saw it somewhere and was never played more than a couple of hours? Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. 20 million. Yeah. Millions, for sure. I mean, nobody's even touched on. Let's go. Possible release game. Eric is like styling a little bit, but he ended the movie, just spits out knowledge. I'm confused. How is Eric talking with a muted mic right now? Oh, yeah. Oh, dad, that's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we're on two separate. They're using the same computer. Hey. Hey, don't fall sad. Yeah. Yeah, you can't see it in no smash. It doesn't show muted publicly. Yeah, that too. So like, yeah. Oh, gotcha. Okay. That's only behind the scenes. You're letting the people know too much. Right. My bad. My bad. Not all you got here. Okay. So a Zelda release game, but it's touching back on a Zelda playable game. You play through Tears of the Kingdom Zelda in the past, leading up to the point of where she turns into the dragon and brings the Master Sword to Link. Seeming like a Miles Morales, but for Tears of the Kingdom. Sure. I don't know. He didn't play Miles Morales, either, no. Well, you know, it's based off a bigger game that came out shortly beforehand. I don't think so. Well, the reason I think no one said that, because the interview said they're not going back to this world and that would be going back to it. But what the actual Zelda game? It's the Nintendo. We're talking about like a spin off. A spin off. But it would still be done by the main Zelda team. It would still be Zelda. I don't know. I get it. That would be cool. But they would, after all the multiple interviews where they've told us that they are not going, that they're done with it, it would just. I would think it's more likely an ocarina of time from the ground remake at launch. I think it would be more likely than that. Yeah. With playable. Well, didn't the ocarina of time. There you go. In the ocarina of time remake, like already leaked multiple times that it's definitely being worked on right now. Oh, is it? I will say rumor. Rumor more than leak. Very heavily rumored though. Like it's all but confirmed from what? I call it a theory. Because I think it's one of. I wouldn't say that like it was like a first, like we haven't had anyone that we, that has a sterling reputation put their name behind it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, if you're talking about like something made from a couple of years ago, if you can point out a source, we'd love to see it. But the more recent stuff. There's been a lot of. Discourse. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I call it a theory. Right. Because you look at the interviews or as a trademark, you just look at history. Like I think it makes sense. It's why I'm predicting it. And that's why I call it a theory. But there are all some rumors surrounding it. But as, as Nate said, nothing, nothing from someone that has that we would say a sterling record. Well, it's been nipple. It's barely got taken out. It's been two months. It's been two months since I made this video. I've made a lot of videos in between. So I don't really remember exactly what I said in it. But there is a Zelda remaster on the way. And it's been like from a legitimate source. We just don't know which Zelda remaster is happening. That was on Doctor Cirque on Toto. And I mean, very surprised. Yes. Yes. That's where it came from, Toto. Yeah. So it's the thing about that is that we've interpreted Zelda remake because it's what ZR 2023. But shortly after that, he tweeted that. Um, we got the news of the Zelda movie. So there's, there's, there's a lot of conversation that it was a movie is coming out in 2023. No, it was ZR. It was ZR Reveal 2023. Right. This is what ZR Reveal 2023. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but here's the thing. There's going to be remakes and remasters because they've been doing it this entire time. The whole switch gen. It's like we're going to get more. It's crazy to go out there and be like, we're going to get Zelda remakes and remasters. Like, well, yeah, of course we are. That's like saying, that's like saying like, oh, they'll never rerelease old Mario games again. Yeah. Yeah, they will. They're going to do it. Yeah. Why would they stop? Yeah. It's selling. They're going to keep doing it. Okay. Okay. I got it. Super Mario Brothers remake remake. The remake. The remake. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Um, I think some good points have been brought up that are kind of making me reconsider how they're going to handle things because, like you guys talked about Prime Floor and 3D Mario coming at the same time. I don't think that could happen. I understand from the perspective of if Prime Floor comes out for both, then, you know, for both Switch and Switch 2, maybe it makes a little more sense. I think it hits on different audiences. I don't think you're right a lot about this. That was poorly phrased. Very, yeah, no, that was what we noticed. I think I can get here. I'm pretty sure Andreas has an IQ of 200, but that was not the best. No, that was IQ negative 16. We'll blame the cold medicine on that one. Yeah. The cough drops are going in. Honestly, so fair. I've ingested 3D for substances. I took the substances. Whoa. I drank a whole bunch of Pedialyte. I have taken multiple cough drugs and I've put it in. That is very good, Tom. But, uh, and what I wanted to say, because that sounded like really, like insulting, and that's not what I was trying to say at all. I just, I don't agree with this point. I think that there's a lot of, like I'm a Metroid fan and I'm a 3D Mario fan. We're talking about the big single-player kind of adventure Nintendo games. And so, like throughout the generations, like the three franchises have been heralded as like Nintendo's big single-player adventures have been Zelda Mario Metroid. Like this all started back on the NES. And, and so there is, that's obviously there's not complete crossover because Metroid would have a lot more sales then. But there is significant crossover. A lot of Metroid fans are also 3D Mario fans. And I just don't think it's healthy for them to come out on the same day. Maybe divided by a month. And a Metroid Prime 4 does have multiplayer. I think it could be a fantastic launch window game. Like totally. And it would really definitely separate itself from Mario. Like it would be a very fresh experience. But I just don't see a day one thing. Like maybe Nintendo Land, right? Like a party game shore, right? Or sports game shore. But not two single-player adventures. Like I don't even, even like, tell us to talk Xenoblade or Fire Emblem. I don't think Nintendo would put out a 3D Mario on the same day as a big Fire Emblem or Xenoblade game. And those are more, you know, those, yeah, they're RPGs. But I think you get my point. They're still like these big adventures. There's too much crossover there for the core Nintendo fan base for it to make sense. It's true. I guess the only retort I'd have for that is if they're concerned, which Nintendo never is, but playing devil's advocate, if they're concerned about Microsoft and Sony, and they want to make a major impact with their launch, that would be the only counter to that. But I tend to agree with you, though. I mean, the other problem is that we agree they're going to sell out systems, right? So like, what's the point of putting out two games at the same time where they're going to sell out systems regardless? Right, right. Because what they really care about is selling software. Sure. But you're not going to sell that much software at the beginning. You're not making money on the systems. You got to keep it going. Like they're going to lose software sales by having them come on the same day. Well, that's what I'm saying is they don't want to compete with each other. But I think, I mean, Nate, it sounded like you kind of agreed that like they could be definitely hitting. There's people that will want to buy both that maybe will only buy one if they come out. Sure. But they're also, they are hitting different audiences. You know, Mario is definitely like a mass appeal. Like everyone that plays a Nintendo system knows Mario and probably wants to play Mario. And Metroid Prime is currently more niche, but it is on the rise. And this next Metroid could have the Breath of the Wild effect. It could have the Animal Crossing effect where it blows it up for them because it's that high quality of game. But those games still got their own release month, right? Like they were the big focus for Nintendo for at least a month. Metroid needs to get that big focus. Whenever it does come, it needs to get that big focus. Yeah. They need to give it its best chance. But I just, I still feel like it makes sense for it to come to launch if it's going to be on the previous switch, which maybe they do go back on it. Maybe I'm basing all my assumptions on something that they don't mind. I think you made a good point, though. You actually talked me out of thinking Prime 4 can be a launch title because I think it is coming to Switch. And I just don't see a scenario where Metroid Prime 4 is the launch title while also coming to Switch as well. Because I think- Yeah, they would never do that with like Breath of the Wild, right? There's a big difference. It's a big difference. No, you're right. It is a big difference. Because GameCube and Wii U were the worst performing home consoles ever. The Switch is the best performing home console ever. You have to consider- But look at the Wii because they had Twilight Princess and Switch Sports and Twilight Princess was both. Was what? Was GameCube and Wii. Right. It was. But GameCube was like, they, you know, it's GameCube. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Metroid Prime 4 has to come out for Switch too, though. Are we agreeing on that? I agree. I would be shocked if they don't have a, like there's no, like, we don't have any hard evidence like telling us that it is. It's just like pure common sense, I think. What's your logic that they can do Cross Gen with it at launch? My, are you telling me? My logic is, is that if you can play on Switch, why buy Switch too? You know, like you want to get people to buy Switch too. So- But can you say the same thing? Can I say that same argument exists for every Cross Gen game? It doesn't matter when you release it. Why would you buy Switch too if it's Cross Gen ever? Well, I just think that if we're talking about day one, you want to put something out on Switch too. Well, that's why I said it could be with Mario. You just have both. But then it goes back to, I think that would not help Metroid sales. How would it not help? How would it not help by dropping it on a system at launch that has 130, 120 million? Looking at games like Super Bomberman R and Snipper Cliffs, Super Bomberman R was not a Switch exclusive. Those games sold like crazy, and then they released Super Bomberman R too, and it bombed. And it's like, why did it bomb? It's because people bought it because there was nothing else to buy. I'm going to use it for you. I was one of those people, and I was like, not impressed by it. I'm like- So there was a Metroid Prime 4 available as one of those games when there's not a lot of games. It actually could help sales. And- Put it out once too. We all hope it's going to be where it is going to transcend the Metroid series and finally be a huge 10 million plus seller. It'll be evergreen. And people will be a lot more aware of it if it comes out earlier in the console. And then even if you can't get your hands on a Switch too, you can still play it on Switch. You can still play the new Nintendo game coming out at launch, even if you don't have the system yet. Now, you're convincing me more that it could be this dual release where it's the Cross Shine Metroid Prime 4 and like a Mario, let's say. I think there should be a Mario- More likely. Yeah. No. I mean- I think we're going in different directions now. I agree. We were here now. Let's go off. We got here and then we're like this. I think it's just the coolest. I think that's the coolest one. So I'm going to say that's the best one. All right. So me, Austin, Jeff, and Nate all have the right answer and Andre's is struggling. It's okay. I got to hop off. Anything else before I go, guys? No. You're good, man. Hey, thank you for the Christmas card today. You saw, I texted you before this. I didn't know you were going to be here. I put it on my fridge. I heard you were coming. I didn't want to text you. I wanted to surprise you. It was a good surprise. It was a good surprise. That was great to see you guys. You can find Smash Jets on YouTube and X. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Thank you. Saying X is so weird. You're my marketing guy. Thank you, Jake. Appreciate you. All right, guys. Thank you again for inviting me on, Nate. Appreciate it. Good to see you guys. Wonderful to meet you. Have a good night, man. You too. Later. See you, Jeff. All right. Andre, it's been me a hard time. I'll let you get your piece. No, that's fine. You guys can all think I'm wrong. And then there was another. Dude, you might, you'll probably end up being right. You're always, you're always freaking right. Break up the. That's not always true. Couple argument, the divorce couple here. You basically, Jake, you basically talked me to think that Prime 4 can't be a launch title. Like it's just. That's so funny. Yeah. I don't know. Like I'm almost now thinking that we're not going to see like a big reveal for the system until summer. Like, I think, I think we may learn that it's going to come out in 2024 by March, but it's going to be like, hey, like until I was like, yeah, we are planning a new system, we'll be announcing more details later this year. Like it might be something as simple as that in March. And so now I'm kind of thinking that the reveal is happening in summer. September is a release 3D Mario Metroid in October and then Pokemon in November. And they'll be, they'll be like on Nintendo land or sports game that comes out sometime in that window. Speaking of Pokemon, and just to get us off the discussion of Switch 2 for a second. Oh, jeez. I, my hope, my, from my 2024 Bingo. Everyone else can also have a, we could go to the discussion of like, what do we want to see in 2024 from Nintendo? For me, I don't want to see a damn thing from Game Freak. Huh? Isn't that a super chat we're answering later? Oh, I'm sorry. Well, I'm saying we go after this because I guess that's after the, whatever. Anyways, what I'm going to say though is I don't want to see a damn thing from Game Freak in the year 2024. I want them to cook and I want them to reflect and I want them to chill. I don't think that they, I think that something will still come out, but I want them to maybe like not just for like a hot second. That's all. That's mine. But they will. Wait, real quick. Austin, can you come back on the 10th? Huh? On the podcast. Can I come back on the podcast the 10th of January? Yeah. It's my dream. I want two, two Pokemon YouTubers here. Yeah, we should, I should be able to. I should be able to just sign up. All right. You're, you're committed. Oh, is that, are we talking about the DLC or just the future of Pokemon or in general? I mean, we'll probably be talking about both, but we're getting closer to. It won't matter what topic I make. It's going to be Pokemon the whole show. It won't even matter. Why? What is it? What is it? I thought Jake make all the topics and run the show that day because I'm just going to be like Eric. I'm going to sit back and listen. No, but I, I'm torn because I would like to see, you know, I like to see universe remakes because that's like what's on, what's on everybody's mind right now because of the DLC and how the DLC made, made so many references to Gen 5, like literally like half, if not all the soundtrack from the most recent DLC update is, is all remixes of songs and Pokemon from, from Generation 5, from Unova, from Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2. So, but like I, I think I'm just like, and maybe it's just a me personally thing. I feel like I'm kind of like, I need Pokemon to just take a minute because it's a shame that probably one of the best games they've ever made in like the longest time since Gen 5 are just difficult to play. And, and I don't mean to, and I hate to do the whole, y'all, you know, scarlet file that bad because lag, but it's like I, when I played these Scarlet of the mind the very first time, like my game crashed multiple times throughout playing. Like it was not easy. And then I try to get in the competitive zone. Oh no, no, no, no, I did feel like it. That's what I was saying. I, that's what I was saying. If it, literally if it was not for the performance issues, I, like it would be my favorite Pokemon game. It's just, it's physically hard for me to play because I don't know what it is about my Switch because I see other people who don't have any performance issues. And then some people have a ton of performance issues and it just, I don't know what it is. But, and I have a new Switch, like I have the new Zelda OLED. So like, I don't know, I don't know what my problem is, but I feel like, I feel like they need to really just reign it in in terms of like their quality control for the games. And I really think they could be successful. And I mean, and I'm not trying to, again, I'm not trying to just sit here and be like, it's going to be bad. One of the things I hate is that like, the reason they pump out the games as fast as they do is because now Pokemon is like such a huge, it's the Pokemon. So they have to get them out in time for the card to release and for the anime. Correct. So they like have no choice. And like, it's like, okay, then get like more people, like figure out a way to. Yeah. So I think the biggest thing right now is the cards because if we look at, if I look, because I'm very, I'm very plugged into the TCG and I go to competitions and stuff like that. And so I feel like if it wasn't for the cards right now, you would be able to have, because like the cards are going to continually need new updates and new, whatever, because they drop, they drop new card sets like every other three months or every other so months. And so if you look at it, they're going to be out of material to you, to add to the card game by the end of next year. So they're going to have to do something to add to, like something from the games or something from the flagship, it's going to have to happen to enable the cards. And that's what sucks about it, because I know that it's like from a TCG, from my perspective, the TCG, the TCG is like super healthy and really fun. And I love it, which is why I pivoted from the VGC. A little bit of Power Creep recently. A little bit. It's always had Power Creep. Yeah. And it's, yeah, anyways, but yeah, that's, that's kind of where I'm at. Like, I feel like that's what I'm talking about. I want Game Freak to not make something and I want them to cook. And maybe even if it is, just release it in like the very beginning, like, you know, January, 2025 release, that's fine. Just cook and quality control your games. That's all I want. I will say though, like, the difference in quality between Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet, like, Scarlet and Violet is so much better. Like, quality or just in terms of fun? In whatever respects. Just in terms of like, in terms of fun. Like, on this of the game and like, everything there is to do, like, dude, like the story in Sword and Shield, like sucks. Like, the whole time, anytime, anytime anything cool happened, Leon would be like, Oh, I'll go handle it. You go just challenge the game. And you'd be like, what? Like, I agree. No, I think like, like I was saying, I think that Scarlet and Violet are the, the best, I think mechanically, and mechanically, story and also just like every gimmick that's in the end, Scarlet and Violet are the best Pokemon games that we've seen ever. Honestly. Like just there, there's such a reef, right? Other than maybe, other than legends. I genuinely like, like terrestrialization. But it has the worst sounds. The worst sounds. I think Scarlet and Violet are the best 3D Pokemon games ever made. Correct. Which isn't saying a lot. Yeah. But I don't know. There's a lot of gen, I'm a gen seven hater. So that's the whole thing. The game RCS is disgusting. Somebody says in chat. I, I think that the legends model, I think it's very disappointing. They did not continue at, at the very least the, the ability to just continue to throw and catch the whole, like that, that is my, that, that core gameplay loop of like sneaking up on Pokemon and like finding Pokemon in the wild and just having just throwing infinite amount of Pokeballs at them. That was way, that's like one of the most so fun, genuinely fun times I've had in a Pokemon game in so long. It's not fair. I think it might be my fair Pokemon game. But, and I think you could keep it as a separate thing from, from the mainline games. I think you could continue to do the RCS, which I, which I, are the legends model, which I think is the plan. I don't know. We'll see going. I think they're going to have both. Yeah. Because if they've done that in the past where they deviate, or there's like a spin off, like Coliseum or Battle Revolution, and then it kind of fizzles or something. And so I hope they continue to do a legends where they're either it's Legend of Jodo, Legend of Jodobo, whatever the hell. I think I would like to see, I think I would like to see a legends game in parallel. And I would honestly, I could even see them as overremakes. Honestly, just what they should, instead of remake, like they did with BDSP, instead of remaking it, just give us, give us the Nintendo Switch Online emulated version of, let's just say Black, we'll use Black and White as an example, Gen 5, Jodobo. Just give us the Black, give us Black and Wine, Black and White 2 emulated on the Nintendo Switch Online. You get people to buy that. Then you give us the Legends game that's based on UNOVA. And then you, and then you're set. Instead of making a full Fledged remake, you still appease the hardcore wanting the original game experience fans, while also saying, oh, here's this new brand new experience that you can have from Gen 5. I know it's never going to happen because, you know, they want to continue that. What is it? The, you know, the brand, whatever. But I think, I think it would be a bit more healthier to do than to have, like Ilka do a faithful remake as in tandem. Or I think they're going to learn a lesson from that. Honestly, dude, I'm like one of those people that wants there to be a Black 3 and a White 3 because, like, it seems very important to them to do the two versions, even with remakes, because they know they'll sell them. So they're not going to do. Yeah, that's the other thing is they'll make more money. They're not going to do like a Pokemon's D in 10 years, you know, after for X and Y. They're not, they're, they want to have two versions. So it's like, all right, if you want to have two versions, give us like Black 3 and White 3. And then give us a Legends game that comes out the same year, like the way they did with her Gen 4. What if they did a Legends game and it was two versions of that? I would cry. That would be so ass. Like, what if it was like Pokemon White? What's the difference? See, that's the thing is they would probably, that would probably what they do with like the Jodo, if they did a Legends Jodo or whatever. Like, like Legends, oh, yeah. Yeah, they would probably do that. Yeah, let's go. And or they could do like, I don't know how they, I guess they would just do Legends, Ciarum and, or not Ciarum, Reshiram and Zekrom. Like, and that would make that, then that would make sense too with the lore of the game. So, God, I don't want to give them ideas, but fuck, that's probably something they would do. The problem is then it makes it hard to do the singular Legend though, right? Like the, the Legends, that would be the Legends Dialga or like, well, that's not that, it's not Dialga. I meant um, Arceus. No, I wanted to say Legends Deoxys, like, you know, if they ever do go to that. Oh, I was just saying. Yeah. So, to be fair, imagine the Legends Mewtwo and getting to see like the story. It would be, it would be a Mew because they, they use the. Yeah. Yeah. And it's in the Legends games are usually based in like, very, very, like the very distant past. We have, we have the one example. But yeah, that's true. Andres, every time, every time that they've happened, but that was like, but that was like, actually correct. Those of it, is they were like, this is a brand new thing that's always going to take place in the past, you know, in the, I just, I guess my thing is it would be cool that they could also open the door. No, it would just be cool, like if they could open the door to like going into the future as well. But I guess the issue with that is if they do that, should they change your name? Should they call it Pokemon prophecies then? You know, Prophecies would actually kind of, oh my God, prophecy. You have two games, Pokemon Legends, prophecy, or Pokemon prophecies and Pokemon Legends. That would actually be kind of that's a cool concept. I mean, that's kind of like that would have Scarlet Violet. Well, and then that would also play into the door because Black and White also kind of play into that theme of past and future. Like Reshiram is supposed to be of the past and or representative of the past and like traditionalism and Zachary was supposed to be represented. I don't know like he's saying Dialga. Yeah, what's up with that? I don't know. We know your favorite I was thinking Zekrom. I know the the electric dragon, the black and I know a lot of opinions on my mouth said Dialga and I don't know and I saw I saw that person that we mentioned earlier say something and I need to find that Dialga that's a great Pokemon. Like Oh, yeah, I like to know about I had a ton of fun, but I but it definitely needed more time in the oven. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, I saw them say something early on. I wanted to acknowledge that person that taking knowledge. Yeah. Anyways, we're playing the DLC actually. Yeah, I'm starting to get the edge. Yeah, I'm I think I'm going to spring the to catch starters and put them in a pokeball. That's not a pokeball. You can put them in any pokeball way. No, Nate, come back. We can we can move. I was about to move us on to the next topic to the questions. No, come back about the box game. Is that what we specify? All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. I'm going to start going through the Super Chat. Please go take a phone call. Okay. Where's the Super Chat? That's it. I don't even can I see that from my perspective? Hey, chat, chat. How are we feeling about the Pokemon Talk? Do we do we need to move on? You let us know. One's in chat. If you like Pokemon Talk, two's in chat if we should move on. This is see this is how you guys this is how you stream, by the way. You YouTubers, this is how you stream. This is how we do it. Wait. Oh, Nisquik Nisquik said, nah, get out of here. You use one of the episodes. So it's one you hate Pokemon and two you love okay. Hating Pokemon. Is that was that what that is? All right. I see a lot of news. Okay, so what's talking about? There's a few ones, but I see it. There's not a two. There's it. I see it. I feel like we've given the one a lot. This is the thing. What I would say listen, come February when they announce Legends Curum, then we'll be talking about Pokemon a lot, at least in my channel. We will be. Yeah. Yeah. So let's move on to the Super Chat about what do we want to see in 2024? What do we want to see? Whether it's going to happen? We'll throw that out the window. Do you think Navel wants to see that? Yeah, we'll come back. We'll just loop back around. Because he only put them up on the on the TV. Oh, my bad. It's okay. I mean, I believe in you, Eric. Yeah. I mean, Eric, do you know how to do it? I mean, Eric is literally the the whole story. He's gaming or no. Do you just take Nades of Everett? Yeah. Everyone's favorite game of the year. It's really not the first. Ooh. Cheers to the Kingdoms. I mean. I mean, yeah. Cheers to the Kingdom is up there. That's definitely, I think. You gotta answer this. We all set our favorite, but besides Cheers to the Kingdom. Cheers to the Kingdom was mine by the way. I'm looking at my Twitch right now. I'm like, what else was mine? The number two conversation I find more interesting because I feel like that we're going to see a little bit more variety. I also, yeah, No. 2, honestly, the Pikmin 1 and 2 bundle was pretty cool to go back and play. Interesting. But I think, you know, I thought I was waving around. I can't. It's a little bracelet. It was made by Cutie Cinderella. I traded it with her at TwitchCon. We made Taylor Swift bracelets and we traded them. It was pretty cool. Anyway, sorry. I was just acknowledging that chat. You know Pikmin 4, like it's interesting when we mentioned Pikmin 1, like because I'm so close to one. I mean, I've been talking about for a couple of weeks, but like, yeah, the more I play Pikmin 4, I'm like, oh, I have to do this. Oh, I have to do this. And so one, like it's not just I'm trying to 100% the game. So that means more than just getting all the main maps because there's also like the side story you can do with all of our weeks for the past. Then what's cool about that is that it kind of brings back that Pikmin 1 gameplay where you have only a certain amount of days to get everything done. Ooh, that's very cool. Right. And I love that about Pikmin 1. So they brought it into Pikmin 4. And so like I was getting the first couple of days was like, oh, I am not pacing to get through this. And then as I, you know, adapted, I did. So that was kind of exhilarating to kind of feel that and they put that into Pikmin 4. It's like a side option. Right. That's like going to end up four to five hours of gameplay that you can replay and you can do it a little bit differently. But then also there's something else you unlock after that that's like these challenges. There are the sage challenges. And I've done 9 of 10. The last one, then it's just it's really hard. Like they're very challenging. And then there's just like, this is all like post game stuff. Like there's just so much. I don't know Pikmin 4, like I think I think it's my number two. But I would say Mario Wonder is definitely my fourth favorite game of the year. Well, future redeemed. I really enjoyed it as well. That's an expansion. Do we count that? Do we count the Xenoblade Chronicles 3 DLC? Yeah, you can count it. So, I mean, all five. So, Metroid Prime Master is also in there. Or can I count Prime Master since it's a remaster? It's your favorite. Yeah. Yeah, you can count that. Okay. I didn't know we had rules on what your favorite is. Well, there's rules with the game awards, apparently. So, this is on the game awards. So, yeah, that's true. That is true. Isn't there like a team like Spotify wrapped? Isn't that? Is that a thing? Or am I crazy? I thought I saw them do that. I found it. I already found it. Never mind. We're good. I'm chilling. These are my in terms of new releases this year is what I would rank. Tears of the Kingdom Pikmin 4, Metroid Prime Master, Future Redeemed, and then Mario Wonder. Although I think maybe more, I will give more. I might give Mario Wonder number four. I don't know. It's not to think about that, but that's that's it. That's my top five. Dude, non-Nintendo game. I know I know it just came out and like everybody's been playing it, but lethal company. Well, the question was just favorite game. It doesn't. Yeah, lethal company. And I gave my top five. That's definitely my number one. Like if I had to pick a multiplayer experience, that's my number one. It's basically that I would say lethal company is the new among us, like dead ass. Like yeah. Yeah. So easy to draw lobbies. And everyone's talking. Oh my God. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. And it's like it's a horror game, but it's funny and it has the proximity chat and really just adds to it so much. Yeah. No, I mean 100% lethal company is my like non-Nintendo game, like indie game as well. It's I want you all to know this game was made and this is this is a testament to like how important giving children and giving people like younger folks like tools to make games and like having that those environments in Roblox or in Minecraft or whatever. This guy or this person, I think they go by they them. They are they made games in Roblox for a year since they were like 14 and then they made lethal company. And now it's a game that is outsold still in Roblox called all these cold call duties. And it's so it's really cool. And it's just really cool. Like if you ever see things like, you know, people using games to either educate children or educate younger folks, it's like a very important tool just because like again, you can have amazing experiences like this just pop up. Definitely huge shout out to them. I what's their name? And they're on Twitter. So what do you do in the game? I don't know anything about it. So the core loop is you are you are you and your friends are like hired by a space company. You land on different planets or moons rather. And every planet has a dungeon. You go into the dungeon and you go into collect treasure and bring it back to the ship. But while you were in the dungeon, there is a big lot roster of lethal company, AKA monsters who can attack you, kill you and you and your friends. That in each monster has like different abilities, different things like some examples are there's a sponsor called the Bracken. It's an all black shadow monster. And it sneak tries to sneak up behind you and snap your neck. And if you look at it, it'll go away a little bit. Another one is there's basically their coil heads. They're basically weeping angels. You have to look at them and they won't move. And then if you look away, they they come up and try to attack you. So this is my favorite is the my favorite is there's a little girl who haunts players. It picks one player at a time. No other player can see it. Only that player can see the little girl. So that you're like going crazy. And then it sounds really fun. I want to play it with. No, it's really yeah. And there's like better moons throughout the game. Like there's like stuff to obtain and strive for like like there's better maps and stuff. And the game again isn't like pre-alpha. Like it's like barely a thing. And the creators is also doing very good job at like adding new updates to it like consistently. It just came out in November and they've already updated it once with like a December update. Giving it like, you know, they added a new enemy. They added they added a couple of new items like it's like they're giving it like a healthy. What's the word? They're giving a healthy updates while the game is popular. So it's been very nice to see that as well. Definitely. And it's like, I think 20 bucks. Like it's so worth your time. So yeah. I've had a couple of friends try to get me to play with them. And I just haven't yet. But now you now you have sold it more than anyone. Oh yeah. No, it's so fun. Also, it's really easy to mod. And there's like a ton of community mods now that like do a bunch of like there's the most common one is like expanded. So the base game lobby is for people. But there's one that expands it to like 20 people. If you so wanted to there's one that like adds new suits. And there's one that makes teleporting easier. There's a mechanic in the game. There's one that adds like a new monster where there's there's like fire escape. So it's like an additional exit. It makes the fire escape a mimic and the fire escape will like eat you. And it's really cool. I don't know. There's a lot of really cool things about it. Definitely recommend if you have not played it. If you have a better game to play with friends for sure. But so great. So fun. Well, it's a great game. Fantastic. I'm sorry. I'll go off my lethal company. All right. Mine's super short. My favorite game of the year is Tears of the Kingdom. Don. I don't have anything to say about what we were talking about. We were all saying our second favorite game. Yeah. No. Welcome to the conversation. No. I'm sticking to the actual question. Which was my favorite game of the year. OK. What is everybody's like oh yeah. Whatever. I don't know. I feel like lethal is fulfilling that phasmo vibes. If you like phasmo you'll like this. And then it also fulfills the what is it among us vibe of like that multiplayer. Everybody's in it. But also like trolling each other because you can like kill each other and stuff too. So yeah. Anyways. Again I'm actually done now. It's a time. Pretty much right out throughout there. Do you think it's more like the switch to could be announced earlier or later with the switch to I feel like we answered this earlier. It was it was brought up casually. I don't think the flash cards really affect. I don't think so. How when they're going to bring up the next system. Yeah. Yeah. I think it affects a lot of things but that is one thing it doesn't affect. Yeah I would agree. And just want to do a double shout out here to James Knight who became a member and then decided you know what I'm going to gift five members as well. So thank you so much James Knight and to our five new members of the board. Thanks James. That's keeping it clean. This was more pertinent to the conversation we have in earlier takers extent said I would launch prime four first on switch to show off the performance and resolution then release to switch version a month later. That's like the Twilight Princess approach wasn't it? Then they do that a month later. I don't think it was that much later. They might have been a couple of days or a week but I think it's worth looking into actually Twilight Princess. It's interesting. I don't know how I feel about it. Oh by the way we're doing the Q&A section guys. I've got people watching it's just $2 super chats submit your questions. Whatever you want it to be can't guarantee we'll answer it depending on how personal you get but. So you're right. It came out in North America a Twilight Princess of November 19th. And this is from memory. GameCube on GameCube. Well the thing is it released in different region. There's a different reason. So Japan was December 2nd. Australia was December 7th. Europe was December 8th. On GameCube. Japan December 2nd. North America December 11th. So it was it wasn't a whole month later but it was three weeks later. So yeah. So if it's horseshoes or hand grenades I got it right. Got it. Cool. No you did. I said you got it right. Horseshoes or hand grenades what does that mean. I don't know but It's close enough. You got it right. Close enough. Close enough. Yeah it's close enough. What was everybody's non-favorite non-intendigamist year. Sorry I know that's like kind of not in line. That's okay. What was everyone's yeah. Nate. Sorry. Well why are you starting with me. Why is it why does it immediately. He's already dead mine and you were gone. So talk more. No. I literally. I literally not been talking this entire podcast. I'm good with it. Your podcast. Talk. Now I am. I am keeping it clean from here to the end of time. Your favorite non-intendigamist. Your favorite non-intendigamist. Yeah Gabe to clean. What that means he's not going to talk anymore. Of course all right. I'm just going to. Gabe what was your what was your favorite. He's going to shut his bio. Legitimate. Did I not. He's going to host. He's going to rake it all. I said behind the scenes to Andres and Jake. We're going to go all the work. I'm not going to be talking. I'm not going to be talking. No I'm the host. You guys are the conversation. Where's Mike. What's my pet of the podcast game. Jake what was your favorite non-intendigamist. Game of the year. Um. Yeah I guess. I guess Final Fantasy 16 but it's kind of by default because a lot of the games that I think. Will actually be my favorite. After tears of the kingdom. I haven't played yet which is Spider-Man 2 and to Mario Wonder. Yeah. Gotcha. That I didn't really like 16 is the thing. Damn. For games that came out this year that I played this year. That would kind of be it. Damn. Understandable though. Andres. Um. Oh I haven't played that many games outside of my switch. That's a tough question for Andres. Well it could be. And it's like maybe not a switch exclusive. Like you like Dave the Diver or something I don't know. So I downloaded Sea of Stars and I'd never started it. Um. So probably that. I well no no. I've been playing Monster Hunter World in my PlayStation lately and I'm enjoying that. Ooh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah it came out. That's a good answer. Yeah I also beat Cuphead last week. Hey we can count games that didn't come out this year. I've got. Yeah this is games that we played this year. The problem is that yeah I haven't played a lot of new third party games that came out this year. Too busy. I want to. Content creators. I got the Platinum trophy for Final Fantasy 1 and 2 after I hated 16. So I just went back and played those. What's the name of that game that it's like a whole bunch of people playing a whole bunch of minigames? Fall Guys. I like Fall Guys. Yeah that's fun. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's my favorite non-Nintendo game of the year. The only time I've ever played Fall Guys is when I've been like dating a girl and like that's the only game that she'll play. But I have fun. I will give an answer. I will give an answer. And I'm never I'm never better than that either. Giving an answer. Holy cow. Liza P. Oh good answer. Good answer. I want to play that one. It's on Game Pass. I've been playing a lot of it lately. Is it very it's very soul's morning right? Like yes the vibe I get it. Yes. That's why I want to play. It looks like it'll be a good one. Really good game. And then there's like I played Baldur's Gate 3 as well. I didn't get far enough into it. I feel like to make a determination yet. And then Spider-Man 2 I'm still playing as well. So I didn't really feel like that but Liza I think I'm still playing Liza P as well. It's just I'm a lot I'm I'm pretty much done with the game. I mean there's not that much left. Eric what about yourself? What's your favorite non Nintendo game? Phone Destroyer. No they actually they killed that thing now. His favorite not Nintendo game is Halo. You have a new mobile game you're playing then? From 2001. You have a new mobile game? Not really. Xbox OG. I was wondering why. You could be a mobile game. You could be a mobile game. Fuck yeah. Phone Destroyer. Mobile gamer. No they they killed my my mobile game. Yeah. Yeah. No so funny thing is I think the only non Nintendo game I played this year I just went back and looked at my year in review again and I think the only one that has any sort of things is apparently Treader's Revenge with less than an hour. So I haven't seen anything non Nintendo. Like at all. Wow. That's probably like 20% of the game. Lego Star Wars. Oh sorry. Lego Star Wars had an hour apparently. There you go. So that's the one. Hey. Lego Star Wars Fox. Is it the new Eric? It's actually the best Nintendo fan here. That's the one. It's the one. Lego Star Wars Fox actually. Yeah. Wait which way go Star Wars the newest one like the remake? Yeah. Yeah. Skywalker saga. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. And then Mario Wonder Mario Wonder at four hours and then Sparks Hope at almost 40 and then Tears of the Kingdom at 124. So you played two games. I played two games. You played two games. Wow. Yeah. Fair enough. I yeah. I guess being the Twitch streaming stuff it's crazy that I went back and revisited like the Wii Sports Resort stuff. I don't know why I just was like compelled. I was like I got to do this. This is I don't know why I have the itch. I don't know why. And then I didn't find the game last week and it makes me want to go back and play them too. I don't know why I lied about my is a pee because I want to rescind my answer. It's Henry the hamster. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Mine might be the quarry or the the devil inside because quarries good. I played I played both those games on stream and let my chat make every decision. Yes. And it was honestly really fun. And I don't think I would have had a ton of fun playing those. They weren't bad or anything. But like playing it that way made them so much more fun. Yeah. I'm here for it. Boom. And he had a two dollars super job saying console plus Zelda remake 2024 equals CZR 2024. That's a reference to another rumor floating out there. We kind of talked about that. Yeah. Who was the person who put the rumor that I already forgot. There's so many of them. Nash Weedle. Nash Weedle. OK. Who's that bead CZR? I mean like I don't understand. We don't know what it means. That's the point. That's us at the point. You don't know. We don't know. It's just we assume it's Zelda because the Z and it's a play on Dr. Cercantoto who twice was Zelda related. Listen Nash Weedle knows. Nash You put that out there like I think like it's very very likely put that out there knowing exactly what people would interpret. So that doesn't mean he actually has inside info that doesn't mean he's actually right. But I definitely think he was alluding to something Zelda. Oh my gosh something Zelda's happening in 2024. Who knew? Nintendo only wants something Zelda every year. Yeah. But at least this is something if we believe him right. This is something. It hikes me up baby. Happy to responsibly. Hell yeah console plus Zelda remake launch 2024. Let's go do it. I'm there hyping combustible Zelda remaster. All the remaster like collapsible. Nintendo actually Nintendo delivers when Waker and try to print this to us. Right like everyone who has an Nintendo player account like they can you can ask for it to be shipped for free but upon receivable it just collapsed. It just combusts. That's it. You see I like my collapse on where if you go with certain you enter a certain dungeon. Out of order the game just deletes itself off your system. It's right there. Hard gone. Save file deleted. It just collapsed. You just you just opened a wormhole. You know fun though. If they were to make a Zelda spin off one day that's just dungeons like you just do they just send you to different dungeons and challenges and that's the entire game. So we got a two part question here from Sammy that talks about games. One of what we sort of touched on earlier but he might not have been here was when do you guys think the switch tube will get a trailer which I guess you could interpret that as different than a full reveal event. Then furthermore do you think there will be a traditional direct in February or is it going to be a mini or something else. So just too hard to figure out. So I mean for the first one. Yeah. It's a trailer airman. I mean they did a trailer for switch before they did the big event. So it's conceivable they could do that again. They could do a teaser trailer. And maybe that's what's in January and then a big event in March. It's entirely possible. It's entirely because it would be announced. Yeah. That is possible. I don't know. I don't know. I mean that's the only. Yeah. It's not in May. It's genuinely just like it's just so like it could be in February. It could be. I don't like there's no there's no signs of anything other than the fact that we only have games through like the spring if that. And so like it makes sense that it would maybe be either in the beginning of the year right like there but there have been years where where we don't know about pretty much the entire line I'm very curious. Very direct. So we like to say there's no signs like Nintendo's confirmed they're working on hardware and stuff they've been saying that since at least 2021. I mean. Yeah. Sorry. But what I think is most signs in terms of when we're going to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I find fascinating though is that Furukawa did something that Nintendo never does. He specifically tried to address rumors about switch to not too long ago like specifically called out a couple specific rumors. And that's never really happened from Nintendo presidents in the past. And I wonder if we're going to like if there's like a super early reveal or whatever next year. I wonder if that is like the thing like to look forward to in the future to see if he comments on rumors again in the future because I'm curious why he wanted to go out of his way when there was nothing known by the general public who buys switches about any of this stuff. If like he's doing it because they know the reveal in it soon. And they're like we want to quench all this conversation so people stop speculating because we have the real thing coming. And we don't want people to have their expectations out of whack. But again we don't know. I mean this is a hypothetical future speculation point. This is what we do at the channel. It's going to be a conversation because I'm going to make it one. As for the second part what do you guys think is a normal direct to mini. I don't know what's your favorite Pokemon I mean the best like Charizard literally the best. I feel like it'll be I mean if it's if I literally release then it'll probably be a full there is nothing better factually better. But if it's a late switch release like if we're getting this if we're getting a switch summer slash like late spring early summer whenever hell they were probably going to see a full direct that's like this is what's coming this is what's coming guys get your booties ready. If not it might be a minute if it's going to be a late release it'll probably be a mini or it might just be a fucking hey here's we're doing a switch get ready summer whatever get ready for the summer when we tell you more or something. I don't know that that's yeah that's I mean I think it's just the best we got I mean literally I think what they got to do is like you're all saying like OK so they need to have the switch to out there before they can talk about switch to games right. So if they do do a February direct which they may or may not do it's totally feasible they could push that a little bit but if they did that I would say they reveal whether it's just a trailer or a big reveal they reveal it in January and then announce their direct at the end of their switch to reveal and then that's going to be one of the most viewed directs and then I think you drop a couple switch to launch titles or exclusives or whatever right at the beginning to get because that's going to be the most you direct so you get all these eyes on the software that you want to sell right away and then you incorporate the switch to showing how it's going to be unique with that software in those reveal trailers. I think that would be the best way to do it and then talk about the switch to more on its own after showing a couple games then show a couple more games and then some cross gen releases but you definitely I think that would be a great way to do it and then have more details come out the switch to after that like the online like how the online is going to work can you voice chat the gimmick if there's going to be one stuff like that I don't know but that's a tough question that's a lot to unpack right there. Yeah it is. I just remembered that I think I made my predictions for 2023 a long time ago you know like last year and I think in that I did like a two pronged like set of predictions and so there was a time where I was like oh you know maybe switch two comes out in 2023 with with the news elder right like I thought that for a little bit a while about a while back I gave up on that a long time ago but I'm right doing a set of predictions and I think I said if we're getting a forgetting a new system where to get 3D Mario but I also said if we don't get a new system we'll get 2D Mario for the holiday I just remember and I got that right I was wrong about there even like even like bathrooming like a new hardware in 2023 but I did also say if we don't get new hardware 2D Mario is definitely happening this year. Definitely and so like you know I look at your question Sam and I'm I don't know I'm also sick and I think I'm just tired but it just happens dude I can relate I'm like the tires have ever been my whole life I think the show is coming to an end here I just I guess I just don't know I could I could give you a guess but I feel like it's just a guess like it's not even yeah there's nothing it's a base I mean that's a thing it is a guess so right I guess what I mean is though I'm not convinced either way like I you know I I'm convinced right now what I'm about to say this is this is what's happening I hyper responsibly this is a new we we've gotten rid of hyping responsibly it's irresponsible it's a blowout switch to event in January because of that this is going to mimic the Nintendo switch when they did the blowout back in January of 2017 there will not be a February direct they're going to be a full blow direct in March instead that's fair assistant comes out May then um early May it could come out March but I I think May I think they'll wait till after the direct for new in May so that direct will be the pre-launched direct yeah I I feel like Princess Beach show Tom I understand it's not maybe like to me like with Princess Beach show time that are shows Nintendo's plan for March like that that is their plan and so and and you and this you and I is that you and I have had an impasse on this this whole time they're going to keep releasing games on switch even after switch two comes out I don't think Princess Beach show time is a show stopping game that you just don't do anything else because that game is coming up and it comes out late March right but I think I just what March 24th I think it's the 24th I have it hey if he said it then it's probably true if it said that he's probably true because his is recall memory oh he's wrong not totally right even later it's even 20 seconds oh Andres you're slipping slipping just a little I just I just he's sick he's sick to be fair yeah this is not understood as full powers are you not keeping it clean are you keeping it filthy over there Andres well just why are you keeping these assumed substances tonight they were to help him but they cannot fix the mind in this current state I think I'm losing my voice yeah that happens that being said I think we're gonna end the podcast right there what do you guys for all be in here we're gonna go around the room you gotta tell let people know where they can find you what you got going on we'll start with Fuglam Austin buddy my name is Fuglam like I said I'm kind of on twitch I'm kind of on break right now actually I'm not gonna come back till next week good mental health yeah but when we come back next week better than ever I got a new series that's gonna start posting on youtube marry party but basically we play marry party but something crazy is different like the most recent one was marry party but we can only steal stars but all that's getting put on youtube so what I would if I if you guys do anything today subscribe to my youtube channel because like I trying to get trying to get youtube partner and we're I think we're like a hundred some subscribers that we're at three we're at 345 I think so big is the watch time you have the watch time yeah no I get that and but I will start to post like the plan is to work this week on a long form video and we're gonna start cranking we have a series like that's coming that's gonna start cranking out at least twice the goal is twice a month we'll see if that happens when we're done at least once a month um yeah but yeah subscribe to the youtube I do post daily shorts so link is down in the description thank you guys I appreciate you anyone who does subscribe it would mean the world subscribe to this man oh eric we're gonna find you I have no idea I'm here subscribe come here every wednesday yeah you'll see eric yeah he'll he won't talk much but when he does it's always a golden nugget that's what i'm saying it's like jay and silent bob and at the end of the movie silent bob always just drops the truth kevin smith yeah yeah so mr all done where you got going on where can they find you um you can find me jake randall on youtube two inch destroyer on onlyfans and jake randall on twitter slash x that's it got it jay but short on just restart hi um what i got going on there's gonna be a video tomorrow i'm not sure what it is yet because it kind of depends on a lot of factors yeah i have an idea for my video tomorrow but we'll see if that's the one i make the thing is i haven't done the nintendo 2024 predictions video yet but also i don't know if i want to do it tomorrow but i've also kind of decided i want to do like the predictions live stream where i bring in other people oh sure absolutely that's probably the problem is if i haven't done my own predictions video on it i don't know if i can actually do the predictions live stream because you think you dominated too much because you haven't got it out yet i mean i could i don't know like it feels like it's okay to kind of go live and talk about my predictions after reading me the video and then talk about it with other people and get their predictions so i guess my what i'm wondering should i do the live stream tomorrow mention some things that i'm thinking but not solidify and just talk about it with other people but the problem with that is i need to have a good cast and i've asked a few people already dude and it's looking i i think that you should do the live stream tomorrow because a lot of people take breaks right now so it's a slow time so it's a good time people are looking for something to if people that like to watch live streams there's not like as much as normal right now and i'll come on if you want i'll keep it clean i would i would offer my services as well but i will be driving at like five p.m. tomorrow so i would legitimately just told you he'll come on i would like to have you guys we'll talk we'll talk when we go on i'm not live i'll i'll address yeah yeah a couple no i think i think the after show i won't be attended if you don't want me on but you know i know i want you on there's just a couple wrinkles i want you on we need to dissect before before i i you're you might not be able to drop you might not be able to drop the two inch over there i'm just saying yeah that's not what the conversation is i know i know i can be respectful all right all right well that's going to do it for the nintendo prime podcast yes and no all right go check out all of our guests are linked all down below every single one of the lovely people be sure to check out jt smash as well who was here earlier check out his channel as well especially if you're looking for more and more coverage on the completionist he's definitely got you covered there i got the one video he's got everything else i see the completionist trying to cut his he's the completionist of the completionist oh my god he he rips 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