 Good evening, it's Rob Goodwin here, chair of the Montpiler DRV. We'll call this meeting to order. Just to start this off, Mike is filling in for Meredith tonight, who is out. So he's going to go through that. Do you want to bring over to me? Hybrid meeting procedures. So that was my mistake there. All right, good evening. I'm Mike Miller. I'm filling in for Meredith. Let me pull this up real quick. Okay. For those viewing this meeting via Orca media, you can participate in the development review board meeting via the zoom platform through either video and telephone access options shown here. There we go. If anyone has problems accessing the meeting, please email me at at M Miller at Montpiler hyphen bt.org. If you're attending via zoom, please make sure that your zoom name includes both your first and last name so we know who we are speaking with and to assist the recording secretary. Also turning your video on is optional. 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Thank you. Perfect. You have a quorum this evening. And so I would suggest for as far as the agenda, a motion to swap the one item for the VCFA up to number eight, number seven. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Motion by Sharon second by Abby. All those in favor say hi. And that is approved as amended. And so at this point I am going to just make a few comments the comments I have is. I will be taking up the completion of the college street application now return and we will take up the maple street lane. Since the minutes have to deal with the college street application you guys can take care of those. So as well. Yeah, I should approve the minutes of meeting I wasn't here. I will step out I have not been participating in the college street application, and I'll be back. You guys ready. I guess. First, let's see. They're really reviewed the minutes. February 6 meeting. There. I'll make a motion to a brief minutes. Second. Okay. Okay. So the other time we need to do is look at the college street application. There's a, there's a meeting next door. Okay. Okay, so like really try to expose over there. Yeah. Okay, so with the 36 college street Vermont College of Fine Arts application. They have withdrawn their application. And so we can open the hearing and then I wouldn't enter entertain a motion for us to close the hearing. I'm like a motion to open the hearing. We already did that. Okay, I'll make it. Okay. I'll make a motion to close the hearing. Public hearing. Public hearing. Yeah. Second. All those in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. I think we can go get Rob. That's what that's needed to get done. Thank you, Katie. Katie, the applicant. Just let me know that the meeting has changed and changed from March 2nd to March 9th. And it's whatever's in notes regarding their public process. So if people are interested in following up on that, they can do that on, on the website. But for anyone in the public who is hasn't been able to follow exactly everything that was going on. The application has been withdrawn. So there is no application, which is why there is no hearing tonight. So. Okay. Ready for the application. Who is representing. Mr. Robolini. I am. Can you hear me? Barely. Barely. Let's see if I can turn it up a little bit. Better. Yeah. Just wait for the night to come back. Get some background noise going on here. Yes. I could hear it. Okay. That's better. Whatever you have them to do. Yeah. Wonderful. All right, Steve. Can you hear us now? All right. I think that's better in here too. Okay. So we're going to start by swearing in those folks that are going to testify tonight. Who on the. Zoom platform other than Steve is going to be speaking tonight on this application. Anybody. Going once. Going twice. Alrighty, Steve, you're, you're the one. So if you want to. Raise your right hand and. To be sworn as a witness. And do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, nothing, but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, I do. Thank you, Steve. Now, a brief little summary of the application before we turn it over to Steve for his, his portion here. All right, so. Thank you. Really quick as, as you know, I have not been a part of the application process. Meredith has been the one guiding through the application, but this applicant seeks a final subdivision review and approval for a proposal to subdivide the building known as 57 maple lane. And more than 5,000 square feet of land from the parcel that is currently containing 42. 56 and 57 maple lane. That is a total of 100,000 square feet of land that is currently currently in a. In 18,962 square foot parcel that incorporates a private right of way varying in width from 32 feet to 55 feet. To extend maple lane from the Southeast. A storage building and 42. Maple lane. Which is a six unit residential building. And that will be all called parcel one. I'm going to start with the first floor of the apartment. So they had a parcel with furniture, John Maple Lane extension and including the existing 57 Maple Lane building and how. And that houses Joe's kitchen, which is going to be called parcel to and Meredith and her staff report outlined. Some areas such as off street loading. Had a couple of requests for changes to the flat, of lighting. Other than that, it seemed like a pretty straightforward application. Thank you, Mike. Steve, you gave a presentation at Sketch Plan, but since you've done a bunch of work since then, would you update us on the project? Sure. That may be important for us. Okay. Well, when I came to the Sketch Plan and there was some discussion on, you know, some of the things that I wanted to do, I wanted to bring that agreement to the lighting and the repairs of any lighting and to widen it, including the parking area to the right-of-ways and that type of stuff. And so we went back to the drawing board and incorporated that stuff that proposed deed. I'd sent a copy of that proposed deed because they wanted to see how that shared agreement was going to be written. Okay. Yeah. And so I thought, you know, when I last spoke to Meredith that with those changes, we were all set. And I heard you say, well, she had some concerns about the lighting, but that was after the first meeting. So the comment on the lighting was, just since he's not here, just make sure we're not missing some information that you submitted. What was the last piece of information you submitted on the lighting? Was that with your application or was it after the submittal? I think it was since the sketch plan, but you know, a month or so ago, once we thought we had everything together, she wanted, and we sent it in. And I thought at that point she had everything we needed for this meeting. Okay. Because none of the lights are changing. They're all been existing lighting. So I think the comment was just a confirmation that the existing lights have some shielding. Board members, if you read into it also the same way. Yeah. It's just like there's one light bulb on lot two. That's emitting 5,000. Two of the same exist on that one. Right. And those were put in in. 2017. When the six unit apartment. Was built. So those were part of that application. It does say that they're all permitted. So existing and previous permitted previously. Right. So she's not, she's not suggesting that that's a requirement. How you're reading the stuff before. I didn't think so. Okay. All right. Well, we'll start at the start of the top of the staff before it and not going over here. We skipped around a little bit. So we have a little bit of a limited review here. You know, we're not going through a detailed site plan. This is a subdivision. I think the idea is that the, you know, additional development. We'll have, you know, site plan work. And no need to dig into. You know, the existing development for, you know, this subdivision is, it's not really changing anything that's on the ground. I think that the. The one comment here was on the parking and loading areas. And the suggestion was that maybe smaller trucks could, you know, come in, but maybe not larger trucks. For the regulations, Steve, did you read that issue in the report? I remember seeing something about that. I mean, in the five years or seven years, I guess that the business has been there. They don't really have big trucks coming in there. So that was the information that was needed to. To confirm that portion of the. Of the concern. So consistent with the existing uses, we don't see any change at this time at this time. And there's enough space for trucks to unload without blocking the. Right of way. Traveled way. But you said. That we, that you added. We were going to confirm the closest existing fire hydrants are those on the plane and I'm just missing them. I don't believe there's a fire hydrant on the property anywhere. I don't know where the nearest one would be. Yes. So we just, I think it's a. Yeah. Provision number zoning that you just have to show where the closest fire hydrant is, which shouldn't be too much of a deal. We can add that as a condition that when you submit your final plot, you show that. You just have to identify where it is. It doesn't have to be in a particular relation to you. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I would think up on the. Barry street. We're in front of the. The reception at apartment house. They probably had put one in there at some point. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely, you know, fire hydrants around. We'll just, we'll add that as a, as a condition in our decision there, just so that it. Gets addressed up the T's and. Got the eyes cross the T's. Okay. It shouldn't be an issue. And by the way, both those buildings are sprinkled too. Not that that matters, but. Um, so. I guess we're. The fire hydrant that was loading. We're down to the, you know, it's the lighting here. Um, You know, I think that with this board members, I think they're in agreement that the existing, the subdivision doesn't really trigger. Anything to change with the existing lighting. Is that correct? That's right. Got it. Um, the only thing I would notice that in her draft conditions. What she asked for was an updated site plan with crack maple lane addresses and outdoor lighting fixtures, details, lumens, emissions demonstrating compliance with total aluminum output of three, two, oh, four. Yeah, I think it's all existing. So I'm not sure. I mean, if it shows compliance, that's great. Right. Considering if it existed, be pre-existing non-conforming. Not sure in my view, if it would be grounds for denying an application, if it was over the lumens limit, it would just be a demonstration that they're non-conforming because they were approved under the old zoning, which changed in 2018. Um, yeah, I mean, I think that's what the boards, what the board saying is that pre-existing non-conforming, I believe is, you know, is okay. I just don't know if that's an option that's provided to us. We wouldn't have any issues that you see might. I was just, I wanted to point that out because she had a long running, obviously a lot of highlights of stuff she was concerned about in the exterior lighting. And then, you know, when it comes to the end, that's what she was looking for. That was, I just wanted to give you an idea of what, what direction she was thinking in her head for resolving it. Yeah. Was that, if you don't believe it's necessary, that doesn't have to be a condition. Well, um, a spec sheet or photographs of the submitted. Yeah. Well, I guess submitting the information, the thing that's going on my head is that if it's not, uh, you know, that information yields that it is, uh, different than what we expect. Um, what happens, what happens then we have to sort of anticipate the results of what we're asking for. Or do we condition it, the sticking up in a site plan review? So student, do you know to speak with you about, about the light fixtures and the shielding on the lighting? No. Uh, the only communication I think we believe we had was by email. Okay. Now, I mean, at some point during this process, we talked about lighting and we had to, I think we had to give them a list of. How many lights and what the output was for each one. Okay. Okay. On those two, two buildings. And also to confirm that they're fully shielded. Yeah. So I'm looking at page 17 of the staff report. Yeah. So in addition to submitting spec sheets or photographs of the existing light fixtures. To confirm they're fully shielded. They're fully shielded. Meaning that the light is already projected below the horizontal. Okay. And to confirm the lumen output of fixtures. To me, it seems like you may have submitted some information now, but just, you know, that maybe it wasn't a hundred percent, you know, complete. And that you just pull together what you've submitted that. Meredith thinking is that you would be. Yeah, but we don't have any lighting information. I see in our application. Anyone else. I didn't see anything submitted. No. Okay. Well, then in that case, I feel like it makes sense to condition that. Recommended. Yeah. Okay. Just add the fire hydrant confirmation. We can add the conforming the fire hydrant location. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I just took a scan to the application to see if I missed any lighting information or correspondence that was submitted. I don't see anything. So if we look at the plat, I had just one question. I think it should be all right there, Steve. But I just think it'd be helpful. For you to go through, just talk about the access and he's like in these right of ways to the parcel. Okay. And on. All of these are always existing or is, you know, just run through what's existing and what's proposed and just give us an idea of the. Right. The existing. If the parcel is there for existing right away. Is there and still will be there. Then over parcel. One, we're given. Parcel to the right away to go over. Parcel one. And. Also. Parcel one. I believe is keeping it right away. So. So there's a writer right through the entire parcel to. To access the eight Potom street property. No. No. That's the right of ways to access the. 57. April lane property. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. 20 feet. So that ends. That ends up the. At the property at the property line and the attention is not to have. Traffic for eight Potom street. You know, going through this parcel, which. I think it's probably pretty clear, but. Right now. The thing I would add to that is. On a, under a separate rental agreement. That I have with Joe. He does rent some space in the eight Potom street. Building. But that's entirely separate of. Of this. So that. Currently he may drive from 57 maple lane. Back his truck up to Potman street. But he's doing that through the rental agreement. Rather. And he still will. Rather than an ownership agreement. Yup. And most of Potman street, other than that, one door is all. On the other side of the building. Off the Potman street side. You know, there's. On the other side of the building. There's. Yep. Four overhead doors and a. Two man doors and. A sliding door. So. Okay. Any other comments here? Anything we're. We're missing. I'm rise. Looks like she's got. To. Two conditions. One is the location. The other. Leading to. Writing. So I think I. Entertain motion unless there's any more information we need from an applicant. Staff recommendations. We have updated site plan. With all the correct addresses. Right. No. It was a mention of the issue. Potential issue with tractor trailers. Did. Was there a concern or. An interest in restricting. Tractor trailer deliveries. Information that. Was a typical. Yeah. Would that be a. A minimal condition there, Steve. I would think so. I mean. Like I say, I've never seen a tractor trailer down in there. Unless. Unless it came down for the. Other building that. The 36 unit building or something. You know, we've never seen one down in there. And, you know, the produce that. It's delivered for Joe's business is. Just delivered on a standard. Produce truck. Like you'd see in a lot of restaurants. I would just, I would hate to. Tractor trailer out together. If there's a construction or something like that. I think that. We've confirmed that the general use of the property is not going to create a long-term issue with deliveries and that we have that on the record. So I don't see a need to. Go any further than that. Great. So are we ready for a motion to approve. And with conditions. I see that the. You know, major issues have been addressed since the sketch plan and. Got a subdivision. Motion to approve. Three parcel subdivision. Motion to approve. Three parcel subdivision. Of 4257 Maple Lane. Creating creation of a private street. Right away. As presented in application. Number Z dash two zero two three dash zero zero one zero and supporting and supplemental materials. Subject to the following conditions of approval. With a 30 days of decision. Prior to privacy. The issuance application shall submit to the zoning administrator and update with site plan with the corrupt. The addresses. Who are for life. Details and in missions demonstrating compliance with the total moving output limits. Of. The final plat of recording the city land records as submitted to the administrator for signature and recording show. What's the street right away. From Maple Lane. And not a driveway. With a hundred days of the decision applicants shall record the final survey plat. In the one record office for the procedure detailed in 4405 of the zoning regulations, including. The location of our applicable server rods and markers, including confirming the fire hydrant location. I'll second that. Motion by Jean. With three and four conditions as. Discussed a second by Sharon. I vote. In favor, yes. Jean. Yes. Yes. Abby. Yes. Michael. Yes. Rob votes. Yes. It's unanimously approved. So, Steve, you'll. Get a decision. In a few weeks and. Mike, you have anything to add. Nope. I don't think so. Meredith is probably going to be out the next couple of days. I don't expect her to be getting back soon, but I know she'll probably be working on the decision while she's at home recovering. So. She has any questions in terms she'll be in touch. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Have our attendance taken for the evening. Do we know what. What's on the agenda for the next meeting? There are a couple applications. See. March 6. Hold up. It's. Hold up right now. Monday, March 6. We have. Isabel circle on the agenda. So. Thank you. I'll also not be able to participate. I have to. I'm not sure. And I could participate. I was a. I am like the capital areas neighborhood leader for the district. I attended the first meeting. And I got. Not necessarily directly involved. Just so I don't know if that would. Conflict on the interest. Since I am also recused from the application. You know, I would say that just send information to Sharon and. If you have any questions to Sharon and in America. If you're unsure. I mean, I guess I always. You know, if you represented yourself in any way as a member of the. No, no, no, no. And then if you expressed any particular opinion about the project. Not necessarily. Yeah. Well, well, I would express the opinion was a public. It was a public hearing basically. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that is. Is there anything else on the agenda for that? At this point in time. I don't know exactly what the deadline is for. More applications, but that one's probably. Full meeting. It's final subdivision. So they're not doing the PUD anymore. They've just gone to a subdivision instead. Okay. So. And it was a cottage cluster and it is no longer. No longer. It was a cottage cluster PUD for part of it and subdivision for the rest. And they were going to be coming in. If I understand it correctly from Meredith, the original application, because it was. It also included the development. You also were looking at site plan. Pieces, right? Because they're not doing the PUD. It's not including the development of the parcels to be longer. So therefore the only thing you're going to be reviewing or subdivision. So. And then as the projects are developed, each individual application with them have to come in. Maybe here, maybe it's just an administrative permit, depending on the application. Thank you. All right. Well, next meeting will be March 6th. Any other business or information from the board. Not motion to adjourn would be accepted. Motion by Abby. And. All those in favor of adjournment. Yes. Yes. A journey.