 Hey everyone, we're gonna be talking about the recent tragedy of Eva Liu and Kelsey Chang that recently happened in Germany involving a American man and obviously this is going viral across the internet a lot of people are discussing a lot of things and So yeah, we're we're gonna be talking about it. Yeah, I mean this is not our favorite thing to talk about But there's so many discussions going on on so many different levels right now surrounding this incident obviously RIP to Eva Liu and best wishes to Kelsey Chang and Yeah, from American violence to racial violence against Asians to school smarts versus street smarts to the politicization of tragic events The comments section went everywhere in back and we're gonna cover some of them as well as give you our takeaways but um, yeah, obviously Andrew, this is just like a it's a tragic thing and it's going viral and People do die every day, but this one's obviously gonna hit the Asian community a little different Yeah, and it definitely does fall in line with a lot of the Fetishization of Asian women to the Asian hate and to almost everything and then now people are diving into the perpetrator and what how he looks and what does he represent so Let's just get to the comment section and I think a lot of our even personal stories will come out from it So I guess so let's just begin. Yeah the first comment I pulled this actually off of a German YouTube site somebody said in the beginning I was like this doesn't happen in Germany This sounds like American news and then it reveals itself that the dude was American and then the victims were American Yeah, so Germany actually has a really really low like homicide rate And so I think a lot of people generally think that Germany is really safe and I think for the most part it is but And I don't want to only blame the fact that he's American, but the perp is a white American essentially Right, and so it was the other American that they met but we're gonna get into the story it later So yeah, I heard that it's actually really common for women to travel Even everywhere in Germany by themselves. Yes, I because the rates of You know terrible things happening are so much lower in a racial basis I know plenty of Asian women who have backpacked by themselves solo trips around Europe honestly and yes They they probably avoided certain things and you know certain things happen, but they were totally fine and enjoy their time So obviously I'm not saying like this happens all the time in Germany. It doesn't Somebody said the University of Illinois computer science program is no joke I cannot imagine going through all of that just to have your life taken from you in an instant straight after Condolences to her friends and family I did a little bit of research Andrew evenly was a top student at a science and math high school became a top student at University of Illinois in Champaign and yeah It was obviously just taking a quick vacation before starting her career where she had gotten a really really good job at Microsoft and Yeah, I think that this case is really relatable to a lot of Asians right because a lot of Asians Obviously it's variable, but like you just try to do the right things, you know You try to you try to study really hard. You try to get a good job and you try to just go on with your life and hiking It's just like a this is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the world. Yeah, I mean think about it You know you do Eva. Let's just I mean I don't I don't want to make too many assumptions about her in her life But you know she it seems like she did what she was supposed to do her whole life made her her family happy and then She she probably likes and she wanted they they both probably agree to have some type of Spontaneity and like follow this other pathway and felt like they trusted this American and then it possibly ends up the worst possible Scenario honestly, there was a lot of comments saying what really pains me about this story is the guy was American too He probably gained their trust By doing so because you know, they're in a foreign country. They're American. He's American There's some level of trust when you're in a foreign place with your you know people who speak like you yeah And then he exploited that trust to prey on them and ultimately Try to murder both of them and then murdered one of them Yeah, listen it's very common when you travel to other countries to meet up with other people that are like you and Have go on spontaneous trips with them or do something fun with them and you make a memory and right anybody Who's traveled abroad knows that you make the connections with the you know, like Canadians are I mean people? You know you want to feel like a little bit open to things and and that's what they were open But what I'll say this it kind of reminds me of this story that we heard from a friend of this Asian guy He was from Irvine, California He was visiting New York City and he got really really drunk one night and he's wearing a Rolex on his wrist Okay, so we got a little bit of jewelry on something shiny, right? And there's a there's a car full of black guys who are like hey come over here And they're like playing music and and they're being really friendly to him and he's really drunk And he's just thinking oh this might be a cool new story story I'm not making up heard from my friend and he's like oh this might be a cool story Let me hang out and sit in this car with these guys listen in this music and before he knows it He's getting robbed and then he gets left out on the street now He's still alive and thankfully all that happened is getting robbed But he really thought that it was all sweet and that he could trust people and that it was gonna be fun Obviously, he was drunk, too So that made him a target as well But I guess what I'm saying is like and that's not to say like you can't trust anybody overseas But I guess what I'm saying is that this just went to the this is the worst possible There was comments saying this is so horrific to go to a broad and pray on your own fellow countrymen But then there was another comment that said, you know, I don't know if he saw them as fellow true Americans He probably just saw them as Asians, you know what I mean? Because he was white and there was just the whole racial I don't even know if the countryman thing has to do with it You know like this guy is clearly just an evil Person period like I don't think it's like oh if these girls maybe if these girls are white, too He still treats them the same too like I don't want to like I think that of course race could be a factor But this guy is clearly evil enough to have done it to a number of people. I bet for sure And I'm sure once they investigate his past and they'll investigate his life in America And they'll be able to see if there's any other additional crimes that they investigate into somebody said this is a Asian female from an Asian female reddit form saying I travel a lot in Western men Particularly American men abroad are the ones to avoid Many people from other countries tend to act more shy overseas, but Americans act worse often obviously not all are bad I've met some great ones, too But I've just been through many too many bad stories myself and heard too many bad stories from other people somebody followed up By the way guys, these are not my words that all these are just comments. I'm reading off the internet White American men need to feel dominant So they go after Asian women who they think are submissive and easy targets when he failed to sexually assault them He killed them. That is the ultimate act of dominance of the other foreign alien Yeah, I can't comment fully on that but I can tell you this like after traveling over in Asia Obviously, you do see Asian guys that are you know ex-pats visiting Asia who are acting wild But I've definitely seen a lot of Western men particularly Australian British and American men act like assholes. They'll even like go against the police when you're over there, too They do not respect it to be honest. Obviously, it's not all I got some great friends that are You know white in Asia, too But I'm just saying in terms of people just lying down on taxis and just treating it like a you know Treating it like it's their play land like it's their Lego land, you know Yeah, and they're being a mischievous like Bad kid. Yeah, but obviously it's it's much worse when you're an adult and obviously the ramifications and the extent of it can be Terrible somebody said the University of Illinois where they graduated from is also where Chinese scholar Ying Ying Tong was abducted and killed and um Yeah, that's not a coincidence. I mean that that's a horrible case And if you guys want to look up details you can google her and and what happened There was a whole like murder mystery thing behind it and man that was That was horrific somebody said They will not extradite to the US if the US says they're gonna go for the death penalty Because that is not German policy. Obviously German policy. They have not released this guy's identity or anything like that But a lot of people are like saying it's a shame that he's gonna be able to chill in one of these like Easygoing prisons in Germany versus a tough American prison So this is was a huge conversation about rehabilitation and everything somebody said and now we're on to this other part Where people are talking about the way this guy looks They said uh, look at this guy. He looks super mega like he just rushed the capital on July 6th You can tell what type of music he looks listens to he looks like a neck beard. He is dressing like A white supremacist, you know, etc. Etc. Etc. There's a lot of comments about his looks because he does look I would say probably very stereotypical. Yeah, he does he is dressed and appearing to be stereotypical He has a little bit of the beard. He looks like he drives a truck and not that there's anything wrong with people who drives Truck and obviously not everybody got this look, but it's just like it's a striking. Yeah. Yeah. It does look like Somebody who did raid the capital. Yes for sure. I mean, it's looks stereotypical blue collar white appellation Whatever you want to call it meth or what I don't know some people were pointing out how it kind of looks like uh, he kind of looks similar to the The person of from the perpetrator from the Atlanta spa shootings and then also Um, the same guy from the yin yin tong story. Yeah, like there's a similar look I'm not saying that everybody who has this look is bad, but Is there some type of pattern? There were so many comments like this on the internet. I mean, man, I don't even like to talk about this But there's somebody who shared this like clothing pattern who I hate bringing this up, but like actually murdered somebody at our church And she was also an Asian girl. So somebody who fits this Look basis. By the way, I'm not saying everybody, you know, what I'm not trying to demonize. Look, I'm just saying that is my story That is that is actually horrible. Um, and I don't like to tell that story Um, somebody said how can you base someone just off their look because obviously people are saying that they're going to politicize this If it turns out Andrew that this guy was a Trump supporter part of a white supremacist group Part of a you know, I mean a conservative right movement People are already ready to politicize this on the left and people are willing to counter spin this on the right This is the whole political thing that's going on, especially going on the election season. Yeah and uh, but also what happens if in the I would say off chance that he's uh a hardcore democrat or he's a liberal for whatever reason I don't know like we'll it will it will just be spun and used but yes, he definitely fits a look Somebody said why has america lost its mind? Does it seem like a sizable portion of americans have gone insane lately? Some people are saying this is all western culture. Some europeans came in and said No, by the way, this is not europe. This is an american thing. What are you guys doing over there? Yeah, I think that uh, especially given all the mass shootings I think europe is looking at america like listen, man, we got our issues over here, but I don't know what's going on We got issues, but this is not one of like what are you guys doing? Like this is your thing somebody says it seems like america has some of the most evil deranged in cells more than any other country I wonder if it has anything to do with the extremely individualistic culture in the lack of free health care Yeah, listen, I think that we can attribute it to a bunch of things We can make assumptions because this guy is like probably white I don't know his exact ethnic background because we don't know his name or identity, but I think it's it's like I don't know do I want to say like this is a risk of taking spontaneous chances with people Now spontaneous chances with people can become really fun stories. I get it we've all At some point made a spontaneous decision and and and sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's great and sometimes Sometimes it leads to something amazing And once in a while it leads to the worst possible scenario and this is what happens This is like that horror story and and honestly like I do think people need to be you know, just Do the popular things staying big crowds? I'm not saying don't hang out with people you just met But hang out with them In the crowd in the in the popular area and I think that's just a little side lesson that I saw people were talking about Even women were talking about it on reddit, but it's just like man It's that's the that's the thing that kills me. It can go so well sometimes But this went so bad somebody said uh, it is a fundamental breakdown of american society Humans need to be conditioned to be good like pitbulls german shepherds or rottweilers all those types of dogs have a bad side That can come out if untrained it seems like a lot of americans are no longer being trained properly in 2023 Somebody said uh, yeah, don't politicize this they're going to politicize this of course this is like You know just typical back and forth somebody said I would vote for a minority report type predictive mental service to prevent this From happening in the future. We cannot continue to have a society Where stronger physically more aggressive people feel like they can just do anything to somebody That is smaller and physically weaker than them. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's not I do think I mean eat media culture um, whether it's fetishization Or just big versus small dynamics here man versus woman. I do think that uh, it feels like The predators are being enabled almost it feels like that But I don't know the full numbers because I think that things like this have kind of always happened Right. There's once in a while a lot more internet media nowadays the news can disseminate much quicker We'd have to look at a lot of different stats. Uh America just has a lot of tons of ups and a lot of tons of downs that other countries do not have It just has both sides and somebody said, yeah, I agree with you. So should Women specifically or anybody who was viewed as an easier target Live in a constant state of paranoia or not Yeah, I mean, you know, we go back to christina unili rest in peace You know that happened in new york a couple blocks away and you know, she got murdered Uh By a guy who was waiting outside of the door slipped in and followed her up and then, you know, obviously the most horrible thing happened um, and so cases like this really make you think like do smaller Asian women pretty asian women pretty women in general women in general Do they need to be very paranoid, you know, and then do smaller guys need to be paranoid Obviously, if you're a very large man to be honest, you're less of a target for sure Whether you're asian no matter your color if you're just a large dude, you are much less of a target of anything, right? But if you're a smaller person You're a more of a target from anything to somebody said asians in the west just need to really learn to be extremely vigilant This place is full of predators and violence. Obviously, obviously, there's some really great people But on the downside, there's so much more creepers and degenerates than would be walking the streets of asia And somebody said uh, this traditional asian upbringing is doing us a disservice Because basically we are not street smart and a lot of people are going to make us victims Whether it's in the workplace politics society or obviously in terms of street violence I mean you guys let me know in the comments down below what you think about this We talk about this all the time on our channel about assimilating or understanding the culture here America is violent people are spontaneous Obviously this happened this honestly, I can see though being in germany knowing it's a safe country You just assume this is even less likely to happen. Maybe they're more on guard in america. Maybe these two girls Maybe they it's a good point. You know what I mean? Because it's in your brain. You're like, okay We're in america blah blah blah, but now you're in a set you like what if it happened in sweden an american in sweden Then you're just like well sweden like nothing happened nothing bad happens in sweden, you know, so Right somebody said nobody is going to judge white men as a group because white men have the privilege of being seen as individuals However, other ethnicities would have had their entire group vilified or colored by this Terrible incident or a horrific act committed by one of their members And somebody said yeah, like there's like different stereotypes of people Let's say for example the guy who asked him to go on the other path was You know another group, you know, like let's just say like black or arab then like who knows if they're gonna follow them Due to like global stereotypes. Sure. Yeah. No, I mean, that's real because The white guy, maybe he was acting very friendly. He's like, oh, you know, I'm fellow american. Come on Hey, you'll check out this path, you know, and it just sounds like something that seems okay Somebody said that uh, this is the last comment will go like we said there's so many Somebody said asian women have to be vigilant because women are viewed as much weaker than men And asians are oftentimes viewed as weaker as the weakest or least aggressive race That means that asian women theoretically by this formula would be the biggest targets in the world Even for predators that wouldn't necessarily attack other groups of people They would attack the one that they view as the easiest target It's hard to say. I think that there's some truth to this, but I I can't say for sure, but what I can say is that um Yeah, I think everybody needs to learn And get updated and train treat smarts and some level of self-defense, you know I read that uh eva before she Before she got um pushed off She was able to scratch up the guy's face and do some damage so that he was identifiable as the perpetrator because his face was bleeding You know, so um, unfortunately, it didn't save her life But it did possibly save some other lives and at least got him caught helped get him caught. So, um Yeah, man, this is just It's just horrible news that I don't think really anybody likes to talk about it But there are a lot of thoughts that roll through your head You know when you hear stuff like this, especially the players involved white guy two asian girls people make a lot of assumptions about that But I guess david, what are the uh the overall takeaways? man my general thinking Obviously beyond just the kind of I guess the typical response that everybody has but just this is horrible Locked this guy up forever. Obviously some people want to extra diet him for the death penalty that legally it's gonna get really complicated there, but like um it's just like Asian people that are from a very certain type of background if you're living in the western society We have to up our IQ for the less for the for the darker sides of life I think I think that that's something I would recommend to everybody And it's uh, I think it's difficult to think about sometimes that we are viewed as like In very simplistic terms like doves and other people are hawks, right? And not that hawks are good or bad or doves are good or bad, but hawks can Essentially like are more a lot more of aggressive bird than a dove is And if we're in the dove position, we got to figure out what we're gonna do because people are gonna be perpetually You know hawking on us Yeah, yeah, and I do think I don't want people to live in a in a state of fear or paranoia but you do have to understand that When you interact with certain people, you are definitely More like prey, you know, and you are a target You're an easy target and I think that shouldn't bother your life all the time You should still want to live life, but if you are gonna go out And and be outside and do some risky things and and want to even parasail or go on hikes or Go do this go do hang out with random people Um You you do have to tighten up again I don't want to like and I'm just saying this could this could still be one of those cases that happens Honestly, once every only like five years and this is just the worst case And there's gonna be a whole bunch of other instances of people who had fun on their hikes as well And so this could just be literally bad luck that it is hard to avoid It's just like if you went swimming, uh, and you know, there's been a lot of high profile cases recently of people being Obviously tragically eaten by sharks in that situation a human in the water is the dove and the shark is the hawk Yeah, um, I think that also a lot of Asians we tend to have really Successful careers in in parts of society that seem to be a little bit more free from the primal game theory Which is like tech medicine. Yeah more more built up removed from that perhaps more civilized But a lot of the in terms of street interactions. It's still in my opinion boils down to that Yeah, and I think again like, you know, uh You can always draw a bunch of connections and you can it can be confirmation bias for whatever you want to believe But like, you know, they're engineers. They're very smart too. Very smart women. Obviously cal Kelsey is still recovering. She is alive and recovering. But like Eva, uh, you know, is a very Smart person, but you know probably spends a lot of time in the computer in the computer lab to be honest like working with other engineers and so Uh, maybe she does go on hike. Maybe she's an experienced hiker, but like, you know Going on hikes. That's an outdoor thing. It's a very different from a lot of people's worlds So I don't know, you know, you can always pick out the specifics and then hindsight is 2020 and then this is all this Keyboard experts on the internet that say, oh, I wish she didn't do that or I wish this happened or this guy shouldn't have done that And and you know happens like literally every whether it's incidents involving men or women. It's like Yeah, it's it happens every global news incident We're all looking at it with the review goggles on knowing what the result was So of course we can work backwards and say, oh, I wish this didn't happen That is why I want to empathize and say guys, this is a tough situation because when you're out traveling You want to hang out with random people and sometimes it's really great most of the time. It's probably good actually most of the time Sometimes it goes bad. So I don't know fully what to tell you other than just be more careful, you know But anyways guys, um, you know, let us know in the comments down below what you think Lots done packed lots of layers to this and at the end of the day, you know, we don't know these people personally exactly what happened But uh, just yeah, just be careful out there and uh, yeah, thank you so much for watching Um, check out other episodes of the hop hop boys and we're out