 Welcome to tomorrow. I can't see my previews. I have no idea if I'm on the air or not My name is Jamie Heganbotham, and I am joined by a Jared head and A Ryan Caten. I have no idea if any of that made it like my whole interface froze. It was fantastic So again, welcome to tomorrow You know, I know you all have your topics and whatever blah blah blah blah blah Oh, by the way, also enjoy my Halloween hair. It's gonna go away like I was going for Maleficent I think I ended up a little bit Joker Doesn't matter in family all Halloween. So awesome I did want to talk about there's a rumor and I thought this would be a fun fun topic for the show it was Implied by Tori Bruno that ULA United Launch Alliance might be up for sale Now, I don't know how that works because they are still kind of a conglomerate between Boeing and Locomark, right? So But I thought that was interesting and then the Twitterverse. Oh, it's not the Twitterverse anymore the Xverse the Twitterverse Jared's having none of that Bennett says 15 years you're not getting me now I So the Twitterverse I yeah, I legit don't know what else it's called Started theorizing that no Bennett. No That maybe blue would be a good purchaser of United Launch Alliance and I heard someone say well, that's actually a really Interesting concept. It would give blue a chance to actually get some flight experience and Sorry so Yeah, what do we think what do we a do we think that ULA is actually up for sale? Be what that would that look like and see who do you think would be good to buy them? Jared I'll start with you because you're doing a little hand movements. Sure. Um, well, I if we're gonna run through the Walt Disney's wonderful world of rampant speculation Absolutely, what if that's a fun show today rampant speculation. I'm excited for this Well, I would say one of the things that I would consider as a like like actually real high possibility in reality Would not necessarily be a sale Per se of United Launch Alliance as a whole but I could definitely see Boeing Saying we're out like we're done with this. We need to consolidate our our space defense system area Because we're just screwing the pooch on all fronts Because I don't know if you saw just this week We found out that the OB three satellites that they're building that they've been having Electrical issues with those satellites on orbit and they're Boeing built ones. So Yeah, so at this point I could see Boeing basically saying like hey We really we need to drop this because we're having some really big problems at the moment and then somebody coming in and doing that I was you know, I was trying to find it before the show that there was a company that actually did Try to buy United Launch Alliance. I think it was arojet rocket dime I want to say back in them the mid-2010s That tried to do that Also, maybe maybe Boeing will offer to Lockheed Martin to buy them out entirely as well Or you'll have a company come in but honestly to me if there's a company that's coming in to purchase the United Launch Alliance In my eyes, it's blue origin because they I would imagine they have the desire and Most certainly they have the money in order to make something like that happen. They actually I Mean Jeff is pretty committed to his ideas and and what he wants to do And he's he's been dumping a ton of his money every year into making that company stay afloat for as long as it's been around Right. I mean in in terms of how most Aerospace companies work blue origin has no right to have lived as long as it has In I say that as a compliment a sort of back compliment in that blue origins very committed Slow movement is usually not how things are going to work out particularly well for somebody just coming on to the scene Trying to really bust in the stuff So we'll have to see I I do think that if there is a company that's going to purchase United Launch Alliance outright It's going to be blue origin. I don't think that's what's going to happen I think it's more likely that Boeing is either going to give up their share or Boeing is going to say Lockheed here take take our share will give you a steal of a price for it I wonder if you hit on to something there I wonder if Boeing is and this is pure speculation in the most fun form ever Maybe Boeing is looking to exit the space market completely Right like I mean they're having issues left right up down sideways back forward rotation translation every direction you can think of so And and it's not just in their space division either their aviation stuff They're having problems like that the case the 46 program. I mean and these are These are not things that end up limiting themselves just like space is not the only problem Boeing has aviation It's the only problem Boeing has it's I don't want to necessarily say Boeing has a Boeing problem I feel it's more like Boeing has a McDonald Douglas problem But that's we literally do a whole other show on something like that this comment is So there were two comments that hit but let's talk about this one first from Nathan blue origin may want to purchase Ula not just for our company technology, but launch pad leases facility by the way for those who don't know me I take acronyms, and I say them even though that's wrong. So for anyone who's like if you la not Ula. I know I know and other related infrastructure, but that's not a that's not Yeah pad leases and facilities would be a bit because back in the day remember when SpaceX was about to lease 39 a and Blue was like no they wanted to stop that because they wanted 39 a and there was this whole like back and forth of Elon What was it unicorns in the play that was unicorns in the flametrench right? That's where that came from Right Russ cosmos was a trampoline, and that was the unicorns. I don't know Ryan what do you think? What do you think's going on? Industry Your mic is a little soft. I was just gonna say something when you were done you are very low No, thank you live tech support on the air love it even more more more more more more more Love it Oh Better getting better we go. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, no, that's pan. That's what changed pan Everyone gets Ryan only out of the left side I'll be in I'll be in but actually no he should be in the right speaker Jared will be in the left speaker, and I'll be in both it'll be fantastic Next next generation tomorrow. All right. I'm sorry Ryan. What was it? What was your thought? Here we go That's a little bit better crank it up. I'll just shout they can hear me. Yep. Okay, sounds good I think I think Boeing leaving the space industry would be incredibly stupid I could understand why people would go or Boeing is doing such a terror at such a terrible job at Doing things in the space industry I think instead of leaving the space industry Boeing just needs to shake up as a company as a whole Because you know, it's just it's just kind of been the trend since the merger with McDonald Douglas It's just kind of gone downhill a bit and I don't I don't want to say that and like everyone hate on Boeing Oh, yeah, I'm Boeing Boeing Boeing Boeing made and in my opinion still makes cool stuff, right? They just need a little bit of a shake up the merger with McDonald's did not help their Reputation at all the whole 737 max thing has just tainted the company's reputation What Boeing needs is a shake up They shouldn't pull out of the space industry all together because I think we can all agree that the space industry is The future right that's what everyone wants to invest in it It's it's it's our it's our species drive is to explore and by saying oh, we're terrible at this We shouldn't do this is just it's just kind of stupid in my opinion They should be they should work on themselves to make themselves better at doing space things are just going I guess give up so a couple of comments on that first is it's gonna come down to money right like if Boeing isn't seeing money in doing this anymore, especially since they're kind of being forced into thick price contracts and they can no longer do The other contract forgive me it's God someone has cost plus. Thank you I Think they really only know how to work in a cost plus world right now And I they tried to work in fixed price and I think it broke them right you I'm not sure how well that's working for them And then we look I mean we look at go ahead. I was gonna say this week They were just talking about the fact. I Can't remember which conference it was at and several of our our viewers because our viewers are some are amazing people You in the chat room talked about the fact that Boeing literally admitted this week at a conference that they Don't like fixed price contracts because they often don't they can't they can't work within the caps that a fixed price Contract allows now that doesn't mean that the fixed price contract ends up being fixed price You could always make amendments to the contract That way and that's that's the power of lobbying baby But that's How can they be in business right like this is welcome to how normal business works You don't just like get to sell something and then just keep charging people for it forever, right? Like they have got to what they want to compete of subscription services. That's where that's the future Jamie That's what it is. I will subscribe to my Boeing is moving to a subscription service. You have to subscribe to the 7-8-7 Actually, hey, God Actually Ryan. Oh my god. I just realized you are onto something. That is exactly how airplanes work a lot of airlines Do not own the airplanes. They lease them from Boeing. Yeah, you're completely right. They already are I just gave me a thumbs down. I didn't give you thumbs down. I don't know. I guess I did that maybe Whatever stupid macOS things. All right, whatever anyhow. Oh as Bennett says the BMW model. I mean Wow, I can't even gather my thought. I like I didn't even consider the idea that Boeing only works in effectively a cost-plus world with regards to so you subscribe to your You know Boeing 7-8-7, right? Like you lease it from them I don't know how many airlines actually buy them outright, but I don't think it's very many No, I think most of them at least right although having said that They are kind of getting spanked by Airbus with regards to airplanes and they're getting spanked by SpaceX with regards to Rockets and you know, you got you got a lot of these other companies coming. I Don't know Jared's your point of like blue origin should have gone away a long time ago Kudos to them for not right Yes, like say what you will seriously kudos to Bezos for being like nope I believe in this. I'm going to continue to fund this. We are making this work come hell or high water We are making this work like yeah, and that's on their dime That's on their dime that they're doing that like how awesome that is awesome. Yeah, they don't care frankly How long it's going to take that they just want the result in the end with it and that is to have that is an incredible privilege as an aerospace company to have because I Really honestly can't think of an aerospace company that has that kind of flexibility in its survival, you know It's I mean SpaceX most certainly Did not and I would even argue now does still does not really have that kind of flexibility You still have to see SpaceX is still raising capital in buys and things like that So it's it's not all just I don't want to necessarily say one guy dumping the money to make it happen Well, but hang on hang on space. That's raising capital is not necessarily for the company It can be for other reasons for so that that is not indicative of SpaceX actually Pulling funds to stay afloat or anything like that. That's not quite how that works. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good. Actually. Yes I'm I'm wrong. You're right on that. Yeah, definitely Someone else still did point out that These airlines do not lease directly through Boeing. There's a third party in the middle So like you broke my brain and now my brain's going back of like, okay So they actually aren't that business, but you know how long until they will right like yeah, all right And then I think it was air someone said what are we gonna talk about? Astra right like you there you go. Yeah. Oh, yeah I Jason Jason Mm-hmm. Jay hasten. I had a free I forget but another good point right if we're gonna talk about like United Launch Alliance looking to be purchased or you know and like the You know long-term validity blue origin, which is let's be honest It's dependent upon daddy Bezos deciding to cut a check every year right for now I mean there could be something a little powerful about them, you know Just absorbing United Launch Alliance getting those pad assets getting those launch contracts, too Right cuz like those would just transfer over and then they could slowly phase out Vulcan in favor of you know Pick your flavor of whatever or just get a like, you know get a little bit of flight Something something and then Tony's the Astra who like along along the same lines like You know SpaceX kind of made it look like space is a sure thing and space is super easy And you just do this and you make millions of dollars But I mean there was a long-time joke and you can apply this to many different industries But like the easiest way to become a millionaire in space is to be start a billionaire and like like the road to success is strewn with failed companies here right like SpaceX and McGregor that's the Beal aerospace site and like that was Beal did not make it We look at fireflies failed twice now like how many times this firefly failed Like they keep coming back from the dead. They should be Phoenix Aerospace is what they should be No, it's Phoenix. Yeah. Yeah, cuz they burned came up or zombie aerospace There are they dead anyhow And Astra might be the next one like it sounds like Astra missed a payment on one of their loans and Bigelow, there's another great one. Thank you Daniel. Absolutely. Yeah, and actually Bigelow like they had contracts with NASA Their stuff was actually pretty cool like that was a really neat idea And Bigelow flew hardware and flew hardware Successfully as well with great success and I think that's a key point too Which is that great success also doesn't guarantee that you're gonna be sticking around either Launcher one is a virgin orbit, right? Like they had a boatload of contracts as well Yeah, like there are just like Aerospace is not a guarantee and I think it's getting really really difficult and like Can't comment too much on SpaceX, but like SpaceX is just gobbling up the market cuz who can compete with them now Right, they were just like this technology is not good enough. We're gonna forge forward We're gonna do the impossible if you did the impossible now. Everyone is a decade behind them, right? Yeah, yeah, I disagree with that Wait, wait, is there a world where space I don't think the I don't think the defense department allowed this But is there a world where SpaceX buys you look? No, I Think SpaceX is very much set on their own on their own track on their own pathway with their own development timeline in a world Where Starship is Edging towards all has become fully operational, which is hopefully only a few years away There's well hang on really any reason for space to have it to have a to have a Vulcan or an Atlas Oh, let me give you a different reason ready slick three they already have slick for and They're getting slick six and slick six, but like look at the launch cadence like you're gonna need they're gonna need more I'm not saying that that's it But like there are things that you LA has that maybe SpaceX wants maybe it's not the rocket is that like Is there a reason that's like asking Tesla to buy VW? We're speculating come on we're speculating In my opinion it would it would make more sense for SpaceX to just get pad releases than buy a company that has a pad release I think that's fair. I think that that's fair, too. Yeah, that's fair, too. Who else would buy you LA, right? Like There aren't very many potential buyers. I don't think I think Go on Joe, right? Oh, I was gonna say Blue maybe lock mart buys out Boeing Yeah, Northrop Grumman I would imagine definitely would not because they they're working with Firefly right now to upgrade Antares and Develop their own medium-class launcher Well, this would be a really quick. This would be a really quick. I don't think Grumman does Grumman have the capital or even the stock and necessary to buy out you LA I'm not sure they're big enough don't know but I I don't see it working just because Northrop The infrastructure and other things is just so different from from what? Vulcan requires that You would have to spend more than it would probably cost to just not I guess is how right ray has an interesting one What about rocket lab? I Mean maybe they may actually like Peter may actually have the ability to buy United launch Alliance You would get the contracts you get the launch pads you get a full hold in the US market get a larger rocket out of the gate I don't know I didn't want cake can I throw I thought I mean this was a long time ago. This is the oh, he didn't want to fly Human means you even want to fly human. Okay recovery. Come on. Come on How many hats can that man eat But I mean like NASA literally built and offered up to rocket lab LC 39 to see the clean Pad within the bounds of 39 be right They they essentially gave that to rocket lab and rocket lab said now we're gonna go wallops And then they went to wallops instead. So rocket lab didn't even want cake can average So why would they want to buy a company which has pads in cake can average? I think there was a dip I think there was a difference right because I think there was concern over the space traffic Coming out of Cape Canaveral and the launch cadence and the ability for the spaceport to be able to actually Maintain that amount of traffic and I think that the 45th Delta has actually shown that the Cape Canaveral spaceport can maintain a pretty hectic launch schedule and be successful And I think a lot of that comes from like autonomous systems and moving to like AFTS and stuff like that But I do believe that Cape Canaveral has shown that it is a viable space for spaceport for multiple customers now 39 C is on the Kennedy side and So it's a little bit different on the Kennedy side because NASA is going to be like well Yeah, I know we're part of the spaceport, but also SLS is the most important thing that anyone ever does here whether or not not that is right I'm just saying they're going to say that and they may stop your launch on 39 Charlie so that they can launch off a 39 Bravo or consider launching for months on end as They work out different leaks from the ground umbilical carrier unit or whatever they call that on on the space launch system I'm sorry Dada for bringing up the gup The fun story with that Dada for those who don't know the fun story with Dada is he went down to see a space shuttle launch it was Discovery STS And we must have been discovered because discovery was a divan would never launch on time She's like I don't wanna and went down to watch Discovery launch the only time he had been had a chance to watch discovery launch And they were just fighting discovery on the pad and there's a ground-a-bilical carrier plate that basically attaches to the vehicle And it it carries I believe that one carries the liquid hydrogen over and like they were just leaking It was just leaking everywhere and NASA was like nope We're not going and so Dada tried to stay there and he tried to watch the launch And he never got to see a shuttle launch because of the ground-a-bilical carrier plate and then space launch system comes by and they Don't have a gup, but they have Basically a gup. It's the same thing with a different name. I forget what it's called Gup be leaky. Yep. So it's the same thing. It's just as leaky It had just as many problems and like I was I was laughing when they were scrubbing SLS or like talking about how they had a hydrogen leak I was like, oh, I remember that It's almost like we're using the same technologies back from the 70s. All right. Oh Man, I guess that's why you never skip your wet dress rehearsals, huh? So all right, so rocket lab is an interesting one Maybe rock in chat here, which was maybe L3 Harris They just bought aerojet rocket dime, but if L3 Harris have just bought aerojet rocket dime I would assume they also don't have the capacity right now to buy, you know, another big aerospace company, but Well, ironically they didn't get They they didn't get the opportunity to put engines on Vulcan that went to the origin Well, I know that's my point is like they got SLS and who else do they have? There's your answer. Copy that Aren't they still doing solids? I think they're doing solid the solids for Vulcan, right? Or did that move to Northrop? I think Northrop are solids Got a hundred man. They lost a lot. Well, it's orbital eight orbital ATK a space division of Northrop Grumman, right? Oh my gosh So who owns Grumman right now who owns Northrop Grumman is it still Northrop Grumman were they purchased by someone else? No, Northrop Grumman's Northrop Grumman. Okay, great. So orbital ATK space division Northrop Grumman is still I believe the ones who do the solids for the space launch system, right? Yeah, the Northrop does Northrop does solids. Yeah. Yep. Well knows orbital ATK space division Northrop Grumman does the solids Let's be clear. All right Any other what are your thoughts any other Ryan what do you So clearly you don't think like who do you think would buy you a Ryan? Come on speculative in my honest opinion. Yeah, I'll just be clear I don't think anyone wants to buy you a right now, but if someone were to buy you a right now I think the most realistic Company to do so would be blue origin Just because blue origin and you already have a close relationship Would be for being used on Vulcan and New Glenn Vulcan is also going to be launching Amazon's Kuiper constellation or a significant portion of that constellation I know Amazon and Blue Origin aren't the same company. It's like a Virgin Galactic versus Virgin orbit situation. They are they are sister companies. They're not the same company But you know at the end of the day, it's Jeff Bezos So I think that combination in my mind at least would make the most sense whether it's realistic or not I I don't know I won't comment because I simply don't know but that's but that would be the most Realistic situation in my head if it was happen, which again, I don't think it will Do you think Locomart would just buy out Boeing? Maybe maybe not right just buy out Boeing stake in the company But I wouldn't really I wouldn't really count that as someone buying you a day I would just count that as Boeing leaving you a day. I Mean, it's they're kind of buying they're buying the rest of Oula, right? I Don't know. I mean, you're right. We're splitting hairs at that point But then would they still call them you a where they just make them a you know ULA space division. No, they wouldn't be they would be united and they wouldn't be in the guides. They just be large ULA has been rebranded to L Nathan himself space out space out I think I think with the cultural the sort of cultural Understandings of L and the things that that L and take the L is associated with maybe you wouldn't want to actually Fair enough. So that might not work out so well. How about you? How about you, Jerry? So sin question the chat room because there's delays I'm gonna ask the chat room. Who do you guys think just like one word answers like go right now Who do you think if someone were to buy out United Launch Alliance? Who do you think that person would be? What company do you think would be the one that buys out? Jerry You think Locomart would take out With the Chair, I feel like it. I feel like that's what's gonna happen. This is a great question. Must the new owner be a mayor He assumed it might have to be right. I think that's gonna be a requirement for oh, yeah. Yeah, I Talk in it. Yeah With the payloads that you fly up so So Hang on Chinese company. Here's our new spy satellite. So it's a really that's a part of the fence Wait, wait, Arka John John thinks Arka is gonna buy Water rocket Arka Locomart Erick St. Louis Vuitton Oh My god Rose cosmos is the funniest answer in there. I think that's hilarious. Oh, can you imagine? Can you imagine? Oh my god, not Ari on space. No, I don't think Ari on space could do it. Oh Mr. Huggy Great question what if Tori managed to do a buyout making Oula independent I kind of want that. I kind of want Tori to be just and maybe he is but like Tori is good space people You know like he is in it for the space part of it. You know what I mean and like Yeah Jason sir Richard could I'm not sure. Oh Amazon's an interesting idea Because Amazon needs to get their constellation up and like once Vulcan's going and that's an interesting relationship between them and blue Origin and it doesn't need to be an aerospace company that does this Amazon's a clever idea. So Richard could Jason says I don't think he could like his finances have taken a pretty big hit I also think he's I also think with the The last days of virgin orbit if you will it became pretty obvious that he he had lost interest so Yeah, I did it why I missed that He didn't say anything. He was just sorry. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm not sure they were asking me what's going on Like it's something something up and he was just not he was just I don't think I don't Orbit wasn't his passion his passion meet bags in space, right? Yeah, I want to go. I want to go I want to go. So yeah, but I did and now he's just bad. Oh, I don't think that's true No, no, I disagree with that I think I don't think he ever like I think he was told to do orbit because people thought it would be a good idea And I think it was a good idea But then I think his passions meet bags in space, right? And so I do still think he's passionate about galactic. Otherwise, he would have shut down galactic by now Right like he would have been like well, I went I'm done. I did my flight like it's still hemorrhaging money Pure speculation based on nothing no inside information I believe version orbit was supposed to be the moneymaker that made virgin galactic possible That makes sense to be the case right and so if Which just goes to show that his passion is the meat bags in space, right? Doing anything you can to get the meat bags in space going so anyhow. I kind of disagree with that. All right I'm sorry, Jared. You did answer you said you thought it was a Locking out going okay, okay. Sure. Yeah I I love some of these answers part of me That Amazon answers so interesting to me, right because Project Kuiper right like how many launches is project Kuiper? It's a lot, right there. That's a 3000 plus constellation Or satellite constellation, right? It's like thousands of satellite Kuiper Yeah, it's essentially starving Right, so like own the launcher hmm Ooh, what about you? What about the US Space Force? I don't think they can no, I don't think that's allowed No, that would not yeah exactly that would not be allowed. I think I think my dog is disagreeing very hard Both of them now are disagreeing. I Think ultimately Ryan is correct in that I don't think that you LA will be sold per se Like I actually don't think it's plenty of primed. See ooh There are really interesting applications for Amazon here But like it kind of goes against blue, but maybe hmm That's so interesting to me. I'm gonna vote Amazon having said that I agree with Ryan I don't think it's happening at all. It was a fun game to play. It's fun to speculate But like I he's totally right. He's totally right like this ain't happening. This is the thing All right, that was a fun game fun for first half the show. I hope you all enjoyed it And by the way, if you're watching on demand leave your comments down below as to who you think would buy a united launch alliance Because like that Amazon I hadn't even considered Amazon I would look what are we not thinking about who else outside of aerospace, right? I mean you can choose someone in aerospace, but like Disney Oh Disney can bear a stale float as is they cannot afford a six billion dollar company Disney is about to have a hostile takeover. I think Apple Like I don't see the business case. I don't see the business case for either one Well, Microsoft maybe if they wanted it because Microsoft. Oh, you know who else Google Project loon remember that No, okay. I'm the only one. All right. Okay. I do. I do Tesco UPS or FedEx is interesting But like I'm not sure people would pay the per pound or per kilogram price to get something Amtrak and By the way, people were asking if I at least said I was breaking up asking if I was on Starlink. No, I am not I'm in a hotel in Orlando. I am on hotel bandwidth at the AC Marriott And so I apologize if I break up. All right We were gonna talk about when hop also you spelled it WHEN Who made that thumbnail? Who do I blame for that thumbnails at you? Is it you? It's not me, I know how to spell QJ Ryan But yeah, you guys want to talk about Starship for a little bit. Yeah, I have to do this. I'm sorry. See you guys. Bye my mom Okay, all right Yeah All right, Ryan you might want to possibly unmute maybe unless the whole let's the whole thing went down Oh, sure. We could give you a minute. So We could all talk about why when hop so What is what is the mean behind it? Oh boy, Ryan has really Really? Oh, Ryan has abandoned me. Come back. Ryan. Well, um, hi everybody Uh, these obviously with the second flight of Starship. We're coming up on a potential November launch with booster nine and ship 25 and I'm gonna try to talk about it. No, I won't make it. No, no We'll come back to that story What was your story this week? Oh, well, let me tell you something. We had a fun one this week because we had lucy NASA's mission to a whole bunch of Trojan asteroids Which are asteroids that are in an area that is gravitationally balanced between Jupiter and the Sun Juicy juicy Lucy Juicy Lucy. It's like it's that's the type of burger. Oh gosh. Okay. Thank you for saving me on that front You're welcome. Lucy did its first flyby of its first target Which I'm very very excited to say Gave us a really big surprise. Uh, so this it was a main belt asteroid a couple hundred meters across called de kinesh and Let me tell you it was really surprising because we it wasn't a layer of cheese in between the asteroid that was the surprise Like it wasn't made of green cheese. It was made of spare ribs though. Um, So and I would oh I would eat the whole thing Uh with that there if it was so All right, I'm gonna so Check this out Look at that What am I looking at? So we're looking at The images that lucy took on approach uh to din kinesh here and Turns out what we thought was one asteroid. It's got a friend going around it So does that make this a plutoid? Is this another miniature pluto? No, it is not a plutoid. Uh, it is, um, if well, it is like if you ever want to make astronomers mad You could say that it is like a binary system like the earth and the moon or binary planets Um, but actually, uh, it turns out din kinesh is a binary asteroid system and uh, that is very very exciting because This one, uh, din kinesh and it's a little satellite there. It's a little moon there are actually just about the size of Uh dimorphos and diddymos which is what dart smacked into last year So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take a look At the data that comes back from lucy and we're gonna compare Dimorphos and diddymos to din kinesh here and its moon and we're gonna see if there's any differences because diddymos and dimorphos they are Inside of the asteroid belt while din kinesh and its moon here are within the asteroid belt So, um, so they're what are we learning from this? Like why do we why are we going out to study asteroids? What what? What's the knowledge base? What what what what's the question we're trying to answer? So the primary question we're trying to answer is what the heck where did we come from? Where did we go? Where did we come from? I don't know. Um, but what we're trying to answer What we're trying to answer is what the heck mission What we're trying to answer is essentially the the Origins of our own solar system which can explain The origins of the earth possibly the origins of life This will also help us think about how could we possibly use asteroids as resources when we start to move out as well Like can asteroids be viable resources? Um, and then also there's a side of planetary defense that comes with this as well um We want to see if these are very similar to Like here we are actually looking at an object that's very similar to the target that dark hit a year ago um, so Are there any big differences between near-earth asteroids that zip around the inner solar system and made belt asteroids that stay Between mars and jupiter like are there any big differences there? Um, so These comparisons and contrasts are really where we get The really good data from and i'm and i'm really excited To get more from this because this happened just within the past week So we're still getting the data back from lucy. Um, and i was actually gonna i'm gonna go now to the really nice The first will be many nice photos that we've gotten back from lucy with that there Just from our first look With it. So let me pull that up as well, but it's just it was It's great. I love getting surprises like this. So oh, that is a nice photo Yeah, so again, we're looking at ding canish there In the foreground and in the background that really small looking one. That is its moon We don't have a name for it yet. Um, but we're gonna have to fill I like that's the curves like ding canish and diggy nish um I did see that somebody has proposed calling it. Um Because ding canish is amrack. I'm probably mispronouncing that language is named Incorrectly Um, but somebody said that they should name it after the amrack word for like backpack or purse Um, because ding canish is named after Uh, if I recall correctly the region where the lucy hominid Skeleton or fossilized remains were discovered in the 70s And also a little bit of the beetles lucy in the sky with diamonds as well, so Yeah, so we'll have to we'll have to see what happens And figure that out And and kind of go with it there. I guess I'll I guess in the coming weeks. I will let you know Uh, simply because we're still waiting on most of that data Um to come back down with it there That's pretty cool. What and yeah, how what what are what other asteroids? You said this was an asteroid belt that it was held between The gravity between jupiter and the sun. Is that correct? Yeah, so so lucy's primary mission is to go to trojan asteroids These are asteroids that are in the Lagrange points between jupiter and the sun So basically you drop them there. They tend to stay there in their orbits to gravitationally balanced area So there's a group in front of and behind jupiter and lucy is doing of One of the wildest trajectories you could possibly imagine In order to pull this off and i'm actually going to run it so that way you could take a look at it because it is insane What lucy does so lucy did a No launch from earth Came back around did a flyby of earth last year There it is going past din kinesh there and now it's heading out to four trojan asteroids in that area It's going to be very very fast with some of those flybys being being so it started like pro grade went retro grade Is that a fair assessment? Um, yeah, I'd say it's a fair assessment. I mean it's kind of hard to do because of what oh my god Yeah It's trajectory magic, ain't it Can you imagine Can you imagine being the scientists who put this together and they're like, where are we in this mission? By the way right now. Where in this loop? Uh, well, I will stop once we're past that. Yeah, we're past that because that was like a slingshot maneuver Yeah, and then we got the slingshot We got to be past this So we're right about we're about right here So they're right there Can you imagine being trajectory? In like and I assume that took several years to get to this point, right? Yes, okay, so I assume it's going to take many more years to get to that final point Can you imagine like five or ten years now? Whoever trajectory was If they actually nailed this thing Like are are they on pins and needles for the like the next 20 years? Is that what's going on with them? Like I just want to know what's going through their mind I'm like Because you know, you screw up You screw up just a little bit at one of these objects and and the rest of it's done from there on out, right? Because they're just doing these are gravity slingshots, right? No, these really aren't like big Objects the next one it's the next one. Lucy's gonna go past is an asteroid called Don which is The the the paleontologists who discovered and helped study the the lucy skeletal fossilized remains Yeah, hang on play this play play this really quick All right, so then And then most have to look it's out of the plane as well Like look it had to it's it's what I'm going to call retrograde I don't know I have a better term for it, but it's curving around effectively backwards Is that a burn maneuver or a gravity assist gravity? Right, so like there's a lot of math and trajectory that went into all of these gravity assist Because that was a gravity assist that just occurred, right? And we're going to do now we're doing another gravity assist right here, right? So like that's a whole bunch of gravity assists that they're doing Even a little bit Well, the grab so a gravitational assist works really really well when you have a big object Not so much when you have smaller objects like these asteroids um, so You know, it's it's not it's not easy to Do a gravitational assist with something that is uh, that is uh, several How would I describe it several? Kilometers across So then is it a burn gravity assist is it a burn assisted gravities like there's got to be It's fine. I'm going to get stuck on this. Well, I'll just ask you later. Yeah Yeah, I'm just I'm like trying to figure out because that's Just the way that looks is is wacky. It's kind of intense You know gotcha somewhere somewhere deep in the bowels of mission control in 2023 as a scientist It's just going to sit there and quietly go. Yes Just got it in one By the way, I just need to uh, correct myself here Which is that actually this is about where lucy is in its mission right now I I made a little mistake there Um on it's din kinesh fly by the first time I showed where it's at that's actually the donald johnson fly by Uh, I guess you're sorry about that. So oh well not again All right, that's pretty cool. This is pretty cool. I love you have to say I do have to say what's going to be really cool is that it's going to fly by the earth again next year It flies by donald johnson here in 2025 And then it's outbound for about two years And then it's going to fly by these four targets So these four targets is going to fly by them over the course of 15 Months, so it's going to be like boom boom boom boom So that's going to be a really exciting time. Um with that there So i'm really looking forward to that and then it's going to dive back through the inner solar system And it's going to take about five years to get to the other side So it goes by I am my um Microceiver thingy. Magically. I haven't charged it so I'm talking back. So that ran out of battery. That's why I died I just have to book it and I apologize everybody starship is doing things fun Yeah, finally, uh, and it's much more fun this time because unlike all the last times when we were kind of guessing SpaceX has actually put out an announcement and and then a proper announcement saying the second flight test of a fully integrated starship Could launch as soon as mid november pending regulatory approval. And then they link to spacex.com This is extra super exciting. If you go to spacex.com Proper thing, you know, and they've given us a countdown They've given us a trajectory looking thing with the hot station and all gathered on and then they've got a timeline post gorge So spacex are proper gearing up for it and This whole thing occurred For the first flight quite near to the first flight, right within a couple weeks So we are now If we're on the same timeline as last time Within a couple weeks of of the second test right of a fully integrated starship Which is pretty cool because we have been kind of in an Existential loop for the last few weeks of waiting on the FAA and the fish and wildlife service We haven't really known what's been going on But the FAA have cleared their safety things like the 63 corrective actions that uh, SpaceX identified and the FAA agreed on that's all been sorted out So the FAA isn't something we're waiting on anymore We're just waiting on the fish and wildlife service to give their final thumbs up on the damage system That is not going to do loads of environmental damage So yeah, we're like it's like it's actually happening now It's not like oh, I think it'll launch in a couple weeks because I feel good about it. This is like a There's no feeling here. It's like this is actually It's a thing that's actually happening, which is really exciting Yeah, I'm uh, I am excited uh for this to to finally be happening, but I'm also I'm not going to be holding my breath because if I decided to hold my breath back in april I would probably be dead several times over right now With this so uh, yeah, so I'm just gonna hang tight and uh, whenever it launches it launches So yeah, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to figure that out Yeah, and I mean this video was taken. I don't know when because they've stacked and destacked this ship so many times now I've lost count. All I know is that I didn't get to see it fully stacked, which I'm still upset about but anyways How do you like it? How do you like it? It's not fun, is it? Um, they have all the equipment they're ready. They have a ship and a booster at the pad All they need to do is is stack it and fit it up with fuel and Essentially it's a bit more complicated than that, but they are within Like single digit number of days of launching from like right now All they're waiting for is the final go ahead from the fish and wildlife service And uh just for some context for the first flight The environmental stuff was signed off literally an hour before SpaceX got the launch license So as soon as the environmental stuff is wrapped up stack your fingers And they should have a launch license in their inbox ready to go So, you know, this is really we are in the final stages of the count now for the launch license approval Would it be fair to say that the fAA is basically the folks at the fAA are sitting at their desks Looking at the phone waiting for fish and wildlife services to To call like they've got the line to fish and wildlife services just sitting there And they're gonna they're gonna actually try to try to get that out as fast as possible because I think You know people are still blames people are still blaming the fAA for how long this is taken And they're still blaming the fAA even now Which is not what's actually going on No, the fAA has done its job perfectly It's not what happened to begin with I mean, you know, we were we were I guess to remind everybody the investigation was led by SpaceX So that was on their time. It wasn't on the fAA's time The fAA had to look it over and approve it, but ultimately, you know It's kind of took a bit of time because turns out This stuff is really hard Yeah, and I mean SpaceX the fAA the fws have done have done scash are doing their jobs perfectly in the case of the fws Who are still ongoing? It's just taken longer than we expected because we didn't expect such a a reevaluation with the water damage and whatnot so It's there's nobody's like to blame here. They are following the procedures set out and if you remember a couple weeks ago, there was a Senate hearing where there was a different space company sent representatives to talk about the fAA And they said the fAA's space division is understaffed They the fAA needs more resources to get its jobs done So, you know, this isn't really the fAA's fault that things take time. They are following the Things they need to follow They just need more help from the government in order to give them the resources They need to get the jobs done more quickly, you know So especially when you have a static launch every four or five days now Compared to two even two years ago when SpaceX was launched against the 30 times a year And that's just one company out of many in the us You can see how resources have started to become very uh, as I am bunged up Yeah, and are they all uh, definitely bringing up a great point Which is that congress is to blame for not giving the agencies proper funding, but then again congress is always to blame um Not always to tell you that uh, sometimes you can Look at managerial issues and things like that But I also do feel like in this case if you look at the fAA and everything you've got to go through with them There's there is definitely A a pressing need Um, if if the if the us is still going to keep up its pace in aerospace Especially in launch services and things like that. There is a very much a pressing need for The fAA to for the government to finally you know congress as a whole to get the fAA On it or get themselves on it with the fAA. So sorry that took a lot of words to get I still don't even think I said it Correctly basically congress get it together with the fAA. Would you like a lot of us are depending on that? so So yeah, um What do we know how we're going to be able to to watch this flight? Is it are we going to are we still locked in on Twitter uh for the video with that or or If you want to watch spacex's official feed that is What i'm expecting is what it says on the website if you want to tune in We're at spacex on the social media. So you know that that's what it says on the website But I don't know if you want to watch with less latency in High definition on youtube then i'm sure there are other Outlets in which you can observe starship launching live Maybe starting from around nine hours before launch to Throughout the flight and then maybe they might also have some replays And maybe they might also have a significant team down in the bokeh chica area working on different videos Maybe i'm involved. I don't know you may you'll just have to find out on the day, you know Who knows you just you yeah, who knows you'll just have to find out Yeah, we'll just maybe maybe it's where my t-shirt came from As well, you never you never know you never know Yeah, could could possibly be um, you know Maybe a good good group of people like that. Maybe tim tim dodd the everyday astronaut Maybe have both on have both on it sounds like a good a good thing with it And uh, I hope I hope y'all bring home the bacon literally With that so we'll have to we'll have to see But uh, what were our predictions? We all had predictions as to when we thought the second flight was going to occur Were any of us close to it? So I feel like we might have I think we all might have missed it by a lot on this Yeah, I think I missed it by about a month in my opinion. I think mid november, you know If the fws gets a job done quickly, I think mid november is realistic My original prediction was mid october So just add 30 days on and then I'll be right Yeah, I don't remember what my prediction was So very clearly whatever day it launches on what is my prediction? So, yeah Um anything else on on that or is it just basically the waiting game at this point? Uh, as it has been since April we we just wait Just wait and that's the and that's the we shall wait Yeah, there's nothing there's nothing else we could do that spacex has done their job. The fAA has done their job We're just waiting for we're just waiting for the fishies and wildlife service to do that job Yeah, the little fishies All right, um Fun show, I hope everyone enjoyed it. Um, I hope you enjoyed your starship update I don't have the spreadsheet handy. I built it and then I forgot where I put it so Not handy not handy, especially not here I do want to thank everyone so much for watching this week. 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