 We're joined now by Jesse Galef from the Secular Student Alliance and Fox News fame. How you doing Jesse doing well? How are you good? So how did no the joke there is that you were on Fox News recently, right? CNN recently Fox was a while ago to both some interesting questions fun posts and Bill Donahue was on Fox a little while ago with me I believe we were promoting the idea that you can be a good person without believing in in God and he promptly compared us to Jeffrey Dahmer at which point I started laughing so Those are fun. So well, tell me a little bit about Secular Student Alliance What is it that you guys do that garnered the comparison to Jeffrey Dahmer? The ideas that we promote and Organize student groups for non-religious students on college and high school campuses There are so many students who want to perform community service want to do social events with like-minded peers I want to discuss these ideas without feeling like they're you know under attack that They want to know that it's a safe place to talk about these things and especially in the South There's a lot of religious pressure in the Northeast people still want to organize and live their values And we perform a lot of services leadership training to help them do these groups and and really become activists And if I understand correctly you guys help the schools to understand how to do this as well Yeah, a big part of what we can do is helping the administrators understand the importance of the groups a lot Especially in high schools who've done a big push since 2011 to help secular high school students because Let's face it. They need a lot of help. There's a lot more pressure from the administration From their parents from their communities It is actually illegal for administrators to deny students the right to organize a group for secular students And yet they often do they say that it's too controversial that you know It's not for us You need to find a sponsor and then they tell possible sponsors that it would be a bad career move So we write letters Very politely telling them that you can't possibly be aware of what's going on because you wouldn't break the law So just in case you weren't aware here's the law Here's what's going on and here's why the students need a group and that has so far worked every time So it's almost gone to litigation a couple times But the Equal Access Act is entirely on our side and these schools know it and just to be clear You're helping out students who come to you you're not going and actively recruiting students at schools That's right. It used to be that we would you know fly on a campus see if anybody was interested Those days are long past now students are coming to us faster than ever faster than we can keep up with almost We had I think the number was 87 groups in 2007 and now we have 366 It's you know just shot up in that time period as the polls find that more and more millennials are doubting the existence of God more and more millennials are Unaffiliated with any religion and we're turning them into activists. Very good. Now, which team is this for you? This is my second time last year. I got to to go and had a fantastic time I really wanted to come back make sure that my organization sent me as opposed to anybody else I'm here with a bunch of my co-workers, but it's really important that I Came here see old faces see make new friends see some of these fantastic talks that just you know really interesting cutting edge science talks about you know the unity of mind and identity Psychology and how it fits into the larger picture of the secular and skeptical movement great now people want to find out more about you guys Where do they go with the website secular students org is the website? We have been experiencing a number of denial of service attacks recently, but we're working on defenses right now We figure if you've pissed somebody off, then you've done something right But secular students at org will have more information finding the groups find out what we do for them and what the students are up to Thank you very much for joining us Jesse. Enjoy the rest of Tam. Thank you