 Non-filtrated apple cider type thing, but it goes bad really quickly. So yeah, you have to like consume it immediately or else you're No, that's what I loved about cider growing up Going you know going to the apple orchard and we get cider and be so good, but we'd have to drink it right away now All the ciders that I drink that are alcoholic. They don't have the pulp, right? So they're really just juice They're just juice without pulling them. Yeah But if you were if you were if you and I were gonna, you know go out and Yeah That way I assume an alcohol you can make an alcoholic cider that had all the pulp and stuff in it And those those I think I even remember seeing those before but most of the ones I see don't have pulp They just look they're just like apple juice, but Fermented my wife's grandfather used to moonshine and he would make oh, yeah Yeah, did he have you come over and taste it and see if he went blind by no He was it was before my time, but they were he's tried out on your wife Out by you making making moonshine Person was doing were you Still wine to get even higher You've raved about Kim's gumbo, right? Oh her gun her gumbo and her jambalaya and her Crab boil and all that stuff really really what is this? Where is this my wife? She makes a lot of figure out how to trick her in a make of that Wanted it For Valentine's we have a tradition with the kids that we make a big steak shrimp crab boil thing Sometimes if we can get it fresh we'll get crawfish, but it's really hard to get that here So last night I made pork chops Panko breaded pork chops, which is Eileen's favorite and and chocolate chip cookies fresh baked chocolate. Oh, that's great That was the Valentine's Friday that Tom is quite the chef these days Oh Eileen likes to brag and I'll take the compliment because she will not say it It's great how she's like really like you know saying great things very nice things which is embarrassing But nice and then she's like and he didn't used to be very good Yeah, I liked how she threw that in Because she really didn't like I had I call it bachelor cooking like the stuff that I would make to survive on my own When I lived in Austin, I would make stuff like that. She'd be like, yeah, that's okay We don't need to make that And I would make tacos with green olives in them and what yeah pickles Like like was there meat or is that just it? No, I used to make the tacos I used to make this is before Eileen complimented my cooking before I even met Eileen Can of of refried beans right canned refried beans some cheese Some green olives and pickles And what else I feel like I'm missing one other Wow, it's almost as bad as my Salsa is all my mac and chili mac and cheese chili. Yeah Or you just take a box mac and cheese cook that then you mix it in with a can of Not more bells. It's the other one stag bush stag. Yeah stag stag chili without the beans And then you throw in some like boil some Peas and carrots and throw it in that stuff will kill you It's great though. It tastes great. So it's fatty. Let's fill. Oh wait. No more filling Salt fatty salt taste more filling crockpot. I used to capture Jack in the chat room 913 was saying crockpots are useful and I've done I've done that the problem is after all I just got tired of prepping all the ingredients Yeah, I make crockpot chili. I make crockpots do I Do this stew I like stew anything I can put over rice, which is why I like stew-y stuff Because I'm Asian and I like the rice, but I don't eat white rice anymore. I eat brown rice really Is it that is good, but it's not sticky enough. No, it's not at all. In fact, I think that's why I like it It's it's super loose. I Back and forth there's times I want loose and sake you're sticky and sometimes loose True words been said out loud on a show. All right, you should have control and We are ready to rumble you guys ready Here we go The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by its listeners not outside organizations to find out how you can contribute Go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, February 15th the Ides of February, I don't know if that's true 2017 I'm Todd married Scott Johnson alongside on the Wednesday. How are you Scott Johnson? Pretty good I'm actually excited for February to end because it's the least fun month to say it's annoying It doesn't roll up Rewary. Yeah, I don't like it. March is great. March is just March Punchy, right? But that was a good. That was a good meeting when they came up with the name March I agree. I think I think I I'm with them on March June July. Those are all good, but February come on now Well, it is a what's on your mind Wednesday. So after we work through our tech news We've got a lot of great emails from folks on feeding back on other topics We've been talking about on the show some expert takes on this from a game developer and some other people But first a downer deaths resulting from motor vehicle crashes in the US rose six percent 2016 those numbers are still being adjusted, but generally when they get to the adjustment phase, they don't adjust very far So it might be 13 or 15 percent, but it's roughly going to be pretty high It's up 14 percent since 2014 and it's the largest two-year increase in motor vehicle related deaths in 53 years motor vehicle related deaths have been going down because of safer vehicles But the speculation is speeding drunk driving and the use of cell phones are among the likely contributing factors to this rise So please no joke folks Be careful when you're driving My immediate thought my immediate thought was in reading this was the cell phone factor has to be a huge Contributor here, and I know we don't have data to back that up exactly, but man It's gotta have there's gotta be some some correlation there. I guess we'll find out if they dig any deeper I will say this thank goodness all this auto driving cars and electric cars and Automation stuff is being talked about all the time because maybe just maybe This sort of stuff We'll we'll contribute to safer roads in the future because we all decided to quit hugging the wheel one can help Microsoft tweeted a picture of components from project Scorpio, and they did this in a tweet saying we should brace for big news And it's e3 press briefing and for those who are not in the know that's Sunday June 11th at 2 p.m. Pacific They're usually earlier in the morning, so I'm very curious about that Just as to where it lands with everybody else But anyway, that's gonna be interesting and the photo they showed isn't much like circuit board CPU Stuff like that, but yeah, I think they're baking pretty hard on Scorpio. I think the PlayStation Pro Landed with a bit of a not a whimper, but it's not that big a deal So they have a chance here they have a window mark your calendars folks now here are some more top stories Bloomberg has sources who say Verizon is close to a renegotiated deal for its acquisition of Yahoo If you remember they had agreed to pay 4.8 billion dollars, but then Yahoo revealed two major breaches data breaches and Verizon was hemming and hawing about maybe we would like a different price Well, it sounds like they probably got one It's not finalized yet, but the sources are saying Verizon is pretty close to agreeing to pay 250 million dollars less to acquire Yahoo's so something around 4.6 4.5 million dollars that 250 million dollars actually it's 4.8 billion so it's not gonna be that much of a discount is what the math says now Verizon and the remaining part of Yahoo that Verizon is not buying That's the part that's just holding on to certain investments and will be called all Taba will share Legal responsibility for the breaches at least according to Bloomberg sources so that's part of this deal too is Verizon doesn't want to be on the hook for the fallout of all these data breaches and The fallout isn't done users are receiving notifications today about unauthorized access to their Yahoo accounts in 2015 and 2016 These aren't even related to those two big data breaches. These are a previously disclosed Problem which occurred when a suspected state actor was forging cookies Which would allow them to gain access to Yahoo accounts without having to have the password Yeah, man, that stuff just keeps stacking up I don't know if that's gonna give them any better deal than than 250 million But I still to this day don't know really what people are getting for 250 million that aside I feel like this acquisition has been in the talks like I told you earlier via text like three or four years But you insured me it was only like early 2016 maybe rumored in late 2015. Well, no, yeah But because you asked I went and I did the digging December 2015 is around the time the first rumors started that Yahoo was serious about selling There've been rumors percolating for a long time Which is part of this and then it was April 11th when Yahoo went up for sale Said we're taking bids and then July 25th is when Verizon agreed to buy them And that's been stringing along ever since in some part because of regulate regulatory approval, of course But but in some part because of these data breaches one might say Verizon is becoming Yahoo serious Moving on ask your ask your parents folks ask your parents. You may not know who that is but she can look him up Later this week Pokemon go you all remember the Pokemon go last summer was all about your Pokemon go You may not be playing it as much now, but many still are this week That's later this week They'll add more than 80 new Jodo Pokemon and this is from the 1990s Pokemon gold and silver series of the games They will all be discoverable in the wild and there will also be new evolution items two new types of berries Along with two avatar or sorry new avatar items and something they're calling quote Encounter gameplay unquote Now yeah, they can give us any details on that did they know I have a theory The big complaint about Pokemon go since its inception was that it didn't really feature any sort of On the fly battling with your friends This lend some credence to the idea that I could meet up with you in a park and we could battle out right there And then and there's really no reason you couldn't I can't think of any technical reasons why that's been hard in the past They just have to sort of build the code around the gameplay So I think that's what's gonna happen You're gonna have all this collected stuff and you're now gonna be able to square off with your friends without having to go To a gym and you know dominate the gym against strangers So I believe that's what they'll do or maybe I hope that's what they do That'll probably be the thing that gets me out and playing again. I hope you're right about that I mean, I haven't actually played Pokemon going quite a while But I don't think it's changed much in that you you battle Pokemon that you encounter in order to capture them and that's that's what the big news is here They're like, hey you guys who played in the 90s a bunch of those those Pokemon that you miss from then Are gonna show up in the wild now But otherwise if you want to battle somebody else with the Pokemon you've collected you have to go to a gym And the gyms are not evenly spaced. Sometimes gyms are very far Sometimes gyms are being held by somebody who's way more powerful than your character And you really don't have a chance and so yeah, that that's sort of Encounter gameplay where you just encounter someone and say hey, let's let's do a battle Is absent from this and all and all the game is done up to this point That that is definitely a departure from the the games that it's based on is you're just oh, there's a thing here I'm gonna throw a ball at it until I catch it Yeah, yeah It's usually the last bit of the actual gameplay loop of Pokemon where you pull out your three most powerful guys You have it on team and you attack that creature until he's almost dead then you throw a ball on him Maybe they're gonna try to include that as part of this That seems like a little overkill since these this sort of stuff is I'm maybe better suited to the to the portable 3ds games But but I'm really curious to see what this is because they've got a you know If they want to have another summer like last year or even anything close to it They're gonna have to put some new stuff out Open whisper systems released an open beta for the messaging app signal adding encrypted video calling Improving the quality of the voice calling both users have to opt in to the beta to begin video calling and If you're an iOS user you can choose to use call kit in iOS 10 to be able to answer signal calls from the lock screen though Signal being very careful about this. It's only available in the beta They aren't sure whether and how they're gonna roll it out to regular users because it syncs your call duration and your destination Which are pieces of metadata with iCloud? So you can turn that setting off if you want if you don't want iCloud to have your metadata Which people using signal may not want apple in possession of any of that you can go into settings and turn that off if you want to try out these new beta features go into your signal app into settings find advanced and Enable video calling beta and lastly signal will now warn voice and video callers the same way it warns text message Callers if it detects a change in the encryption key indicating a man in the middle attack before if you were on voice It would display a keyword and you would say it to the person on the other end And if your keywords matched you knew nobody in the middle was attacking you because of the way they generated these keywords based on your Encryption keys text messages on the other hand just automatically detected it So now voice is gonna work same way as text messages as will the new video coming very interesting you guys talked yesterday about China from Amazon Yes, yes, I wanted to take this moment while we're talking about some VO stuff from somebody totally different and not exactly Changed the subject but mentioned that I'm gonna actually give that thing a swing in a few environments with podcasting to see how it goes If there's one thing podcasters are constantly in the search for its tools for communication for conferencing for calls while they're doing shows be they live or otherwise so I'm excited to try that and every time something new gets talked about even when this gets talked about That's what my brain does it goes. How can podcasters use this to talk to people across the country? Yeah And the problems with us using these sorts of things like with signal for instance, we don't we're broadcasting We don't need it to be encrypted. So signal really isn't the best version even though It works very well and moxie marlin spike and folks over there have have made a Really good app that makes encryption almost seamless And and and apparently this video calling is is working in a way that just encrypts on the fly and it's amazing So I'm curious to try it out But yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't be great for this show because why do we need to have? Secure end-to-end encryption when we actually want everyone to see that you yeah, we have different security concerns in that case So hangouts Skype again always things that are kind of meant for something else usually business video conferencing so I'm curious what your test shows with chime because With chime it's really meant for the enterprise. They want like big companies to sign a contract and get this stuff going But who knows maybe you can write it on those coattails Do you know I've done some fiddling with slack video? I've messed around certainly with audio with discord They have video coming and discord is currently free across the board and not aimed at enterprise at all Even though it's basically slack and all of its functionality We are entering though Have a new era that I thought we were never going to get to I kind of thought we'd skipped over and said well We don't really care We'll just let the Skypes of the world handle this stuff and now we're moving on to new innovative ideas Whatever those may be but maybe finally we're entering into a new communication era akin to the kind of thing that happened when Video became something you could watch regularly the bandwidth supported it and you could go to YouTube and see anything You wanted to now that's commonplace We're finally getting to a place where our communication tools are more than two or three choices And we can have the quality we want or expect and consistency and we can have encryption through things like you know this app So I love it I think we're heading to a cool new place that I will personally be able to cannibalize a little bit and use for my where chime meets Facebook live That's where you want to live right exactly where I want to be This is the Wall Street Journal reports its sources say Amazon and Google are considering launching features this year that would let people use the Amazon Echo and Google home as replacement for Wait for it your home phone by what I know remember those Issues like privacy for calls and regulatory requirements like emergency services 9-1-1 that sort of thing that kind of integration needs to be worked out Still but Google has experience with regulatory issues through its Google voice and project five services This is a really cool idea. I already I already basically do this Like I don't talk to anyone on anything resembling at a traditional phone anymore anywhere in the house or portably Why not I'd love to be able to yell at my Device my echo or my Google device and say yo call mom and tell her you know see if she's home or whatever That seems really smart to me But why the why the worries about regulation is it just that people will think that they're pale safe and if they have to do Whether you can get people to say yes I would like to have my phone conversation on this device that is known to record me You know and and trust that privacy not to mention and this isn't a regulatory thing But just you're essentially on a speakerphone all the time when you're on a Google home or an Amazon Echo, right? Everyone else in the room is going to be able to hear your call So if you're going for the market of like hey folks who still have a landline We can replace that landline with our new service that uses Amazon Echo or Google home as the phone You're gonna have to offer something else for those situations I also think that the people who still have landlines in most cases are less likely to be the people to want a Google home or an Amazon Echo more and more people who are Adopting technology don't have a landline. They just use their phone or some kind of VoIP solution So it's interesting to me how they would go about this and this is why this isn't an announcement This is two companies considering it because they see an opportunity here, but they don't know which opportunity is the best and What they need to do to make it work and is it worth all of that effort if you want to replace people's Landline home phones then you got to do 9-1-1 integration and and you got to provide a service and Google's got some experience with that I'm sure Amazon could brush up on it on the other hand if you just want to say hey Let's let's have some skills that take advantage of the mic as well as the speaker to do VoIP calls And we could tie it into Skype we could tie it into Google voice then that's easier and It becomes something that is mildly useful for people who are early adopters Joel Couture and the chat suggested something or asked this question if it was the Google device would it just be a Finally a more practical use for the Google voice number and quite possibly That's already kind of an established backbone. It's got voicemail You know interfacing with that and creating a a friend and for users is no big deal I mean, I wouldn't say finally I'd say another because project five is a great use the Google voice number But it but in a lot of ways it's like well You've already got a thing that you've owned for all these years and and there have been times where you didn't know Why Google owned that thing or why they purchased it now. It's you know a perfect use for it So quite possibly I mean I do this in in a minute, but I think if I already had a landline there'd be a reason I already had it so probably not for me if I was that guy. I agree. Yeah, I'm curious about that as well Here's another one that is maybe brilliant may be serving too few people Kavo CAAVO Announced its streaming media box which plugs into your other boxes So if you have an Apple TV a Roku or a cable box, they plug into fire TVs as well It provides a unified front end that allows you to just find the shows and services you want without having to remember Which box it's on Kavo uses some machine learning on the back end to interpret what's getting sent to it from other boxes So it knows it sent the right command So for an Apple TV for instance the way it works is you have to install a Kavo app on the Apple TV For it to be able to launch things from Apple TV But once you do that what's happening on the back end all you see is Hey Kavo launch Netflix and it goes and uses machine vision to find the Kavo app on Apple TV launch it and use the Kavo app through the API to launch Netflix Anyway, there's some some crazy stuff going on behind the scenes. They demoed it at code media and the demo at least works It's essentially trying to do what you do when you control a box by looking at what's on the screen It also has an Amazon voice services skill So you can either speak into the remote or talk to an Amazon Echo or an Amazon dot Echo dot and control it by voice Kavo was founded by the late Blake Krikorian. He's the former sling box CEO who passed away last year it's run by former Microsoft employee Andrew Inaudi and Kavos are going up for pre-order in June I had read May earlier and I think that's what I said on the morning stream and daily tech headlines But since then all of the articles have been changed to say June Going up for pre-order in June for $400 shipping in September. So this is pricey It is I have so many questions, but I'm limited to two that maybe you can answer One somebody throughout this criticism this morning, and I'll just repeat it because I already know you have an answer for it But I think in a rhetorical way. That's a good thing to bring up How was this anything more than just a eight-port $400 HDMI splitter device which are yeah Well, it is that right and that that alone is actually kind of nice, right? You don't have to like for instance with the Logitech harmony, which is kind of the next step below this I have one remote that controls everything There's a hub that connects to Wi-Fi and then it blasts out infrared But I still have to tell the Logitech remote and I have to go in and reprogram it and say hey The Apple TV is on HDMI 2 on this switcher and plugged into HDMI 3 on the TV And that's what you need to do to make it happen And if I move that to another room or I change the device I have to go in and I have to reprogram it myself With the Kavo you plug in the Apple TV to port six on the Kavo and you never have to think about it again Kavo knows it's an Apple TV it auto detects it And if you unplug it and plug it into a different port it auto detects that if you unplug it and take it off It eliminates it from its memory You don't have to do any of that programming on the other side of it Once you got everything plugged in and you've logged into your services and told it which devices you prefer All you have to do is say watch transparent and it says ah Transparent is on Amazon and he prefers to watch Amazon off the Roku So I'm gonna automatically go in and watch the Roku So you don't have to know what devices are hooked up to what you don't even have to remember anymore once you set it up What devices you have plugged in you don't even have to remember what services the shows you want to watch are on You just say I want to watch this and it does it yeah now. I love all that Here's the other question and this is when we haven't talked about is this a threat or do you see any problems from? Apple from and well yeah Amazon fire TV any of these up Roku whoever are they gonna not like this That was the question Walt Mossberg asked them at code media And they they sort of chuckled and said well, we've had talks and we think it's fine Please don't ask us that again. I Think what they're doing is trying to say look We know they don't love this because that's why everybody has their own interface But we're not doing anything to tread on them. We're not we're not getting into their APIs or hacking in anything We are we are using machine vision where we have to But you know, you can't really defend against that without saying don't show the video Right over HDMI So as long as they're compliant with DRM and everything there's really not much folks can do and they did say they are meeting With these companies I think in an attempt to assuage their fears and say we're not out to undermine you We're just out to make the interface better and there and at bottom their answer was Those companies should focus on content and which a lot of them already are yeah It's weird and I know it seems unrelated this feels like the conversation about news readers a few years back and the idea that people had curated expensive to run ad Supported websites that were just having their information pulled into news feeders like Google Reader before it went away and others that still exist today and that felt like well You're you're not even using our platform. You're just taking our content and in a way. That's kind of like this the difference here is These services these multiple boxes you have these up to eight devices It's now going to be on them to provide the best possible content on those devices not necessarily compete on Brian loyalty or User interface quality. It's all about Where am I finding the movie? I want where am I getting the TV show? I want and if you've got more of that on your platform then this thing's gonna feed that to the user and Therefore you're the one winning because you're gonna get the subscriptions. So that's fascinating to me I cannot wait for this thing to come out and see how it goes. I kind of want one But I want someone like oh, I don't know Tom Merritt Take a little like cord killers Funding and try it out. Yeah, I would like to try it out and I probably will try to get in the pre-order They say they're only gonna make 5,000 of them So it's possible that not everybody who wants one will get one They are there definitely looking at this as a trial run right now Not a mass market product a couple of really good questions from our live audience right now Laos Roman says do you still need the Roku remote? No, you don't but you can that's the other thing that they do They say look you we've got a universal remote. So you control everything through the Kavo you don't have to use the Roku remote But if someone is Visiting and they don't understand and they pick up the Roku remote It'll still work the Kavo will interpret the signals and use that machine vision to be able to control the Roku for you So that's pretty crazy and then I sting says does it keep up with your queue and absolutely in fact That's one of the reasons Kavo will make you log into your services on the Kavo itself Not because it's running the apps, but it wants to access the public APIs to see what's in your queue What's in your recently watched so that it knows like oh you're on episode four of transparent So we'll we'll tell the Amazon app on Roku to go right into that one, right? I think it's awesome. I want to see it. Also. It's this beautiful wood finish So it's like yeah, and they said they're gonna have four different wood finishes you can choose from Going back to the wood paneling everybody pretty excited Finally, we have a story about the Indian space research organization They launched a hundred and four satellites into space on Wednesday on a PSLV rocket That set a record for the most satellites launched into space at once It's not even a kind of record you'd think existed, but it did the rocket included 88 Satellites from the US firm planet for high-res imagery in India's mapping satellite. I'm gonna call it the Carl Sat 2 I hope I got that right among others carto. I think like like cartography. There you go a number of others 104 total Breaking all records so thus enter as we get closer to our Wally future There will be a thick blanket of satellites above our planet one day that we will have to burst through to get off This planet that was already true, and they're just making it worse India. Great job No, I'm just kidding They actually Busted the previous record a previous record was set by Roscosmos State Corporation in Russia when they launched 37 satellites into orbit on June in June of 2014 Now some of these are a little smaller obviously, but hey, it's the number right and Indian Space Research Organization ISRO and the PSLV rocket which stands for Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle Is is going to town this is I love to see two things happening in space One is private companies getting into practical delivery whether it's cargo or people Virgin Galactic SpaceX etc. And the other is more countries Encouraging this by having their own space exploration and satellite launch a capability. I think this is really exciting. No, I agree Get all the tech headlines each day folks in less than 10 minutes You can subscribe to daily tech headlines.com available on the Amazon Echo and Newly just added to the anchor app. Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com It's time now Scott Johnson to dig into the mail bag We've got some great emails and the first one is very thought-provoking Long-time listener named Mark sent along a note with an idea for dealing with authorities that require you to unlock your phone So you go to the customs agent and and like we talked about earlier this week They say we need you to unlock the phone and you're like well, I don't think you can force me to and they say yeah But we could just keep you here for a long time and delay you and and so you decide to give in he says Mark says imagine if iOS provided a kill password option And it wouldn't have to be iOS can be Android 2 the kill password operates the same as wipe after 10 attempts and erases your phone With the kill password it happens as soon as the password is used with this option You could help the authorities unlock your phone by telling them the kill password now I feel the ramifications would be huge the user did unlock the phone as requested, but it also emptied the data So it's not torching the operating system just deletes all your data is what I think he's suggesting I see this as technically complying with the law enforcement officers request Various brute force methods for unlocking like what the police commonly use would be less effective as these approaches would potentially wipe Instead of unlocking you collide with the kill password before the unlock password in a brute force attack That could happen having a kill password creates a huge bubble of plausible deniability I consider this to be the most interesting point any and all unlock codes now become dubious for law enforcement to use And as such law enforcement would need to use the more costly methods to gain access The odd side effect would be less search and seizure of phones for data mining because the cost of access would now be so high That's fascinating. I never thought of any of that, but I kind of like the idea, but then I also I don't know. I don't want some weird legislation forcing these companies to not allow an idea like this I really like that idea. I love the idea even in a Situation where you're being robbed and somebody says tell me what your phone code is because they want to get it and you don't the wrong one And it wipes your data like that's useful in lots of scenarios, but it feels like something might get Blocked like someone's not gonna like that. Well, it could get blocked, right? It could fall under the entire encryption debate about whether it should be allowed or not And it certainly is the kind of thing that makes law enforcement harder And that's not necessarily a good thing folks We we don't want to intentionally make law enforcement harder But it's always as we've talked about on the show balance between your rights And the ability of law enforcement to catch the bad guys. So it becomes part of that debate, but that aside There's also and the KV 87 suggested this already in the chat room There's also the ability to create hidden volumes So on a laptop, for instance, you can use viracrypt to create a hidden volume so that when they say hey unlock your laptop You give them the passcode it opens to a hidden volume that doesn't have any data in it So your data is still there It just doesn't look like it to law enforcement the problem with hidden volumes and Corey doctoral recently talked about why he doesn't use them is If they discover you are using a hidden volume then you can incur the anger and frustration of law enforcement and you may in fact Be in violation of a court order if the court orders you to unlock something and you unlock it to a hidden volume You're in contempt because they wanted you to show the data and you didn't and so this could fall under those problems and and your Scenario Scott where you say like oh someone's robbing you and forces you to unlock the phone if you unlock it to a to a hidden volume or a wiped data password You may again incur the anger of the person who realizes suddenly that they they don't have all of the things that thought Thought they were gonna get access to so I'm not saying those kill this idea But I'm saying those are considerations in whether you would want to use this or not Yeah, no kidding I wonder like I was just thinking about a Chromebook if you had a dummy Gmail or Google account and use that when they asked you to log in instead of the one you normally use Because that happens as soon as you crack the lid it ask you for your password. That's all right Then well, what would you you probably be putting yourself in trouble is what you'd be doing Because they're gonna know Well, they're either that or they're gonna say all right now log into your other Google accounts I don't remember my password now They're compelling you with warrants and everything else and now you're you're back in the same place You were if you just have one password Roger. I know I see you've got you know I was just wondering what if you did it right before you got to the customs desk like you just killed it You wiped it Well, and you've got a backup somewhere that actually is a smart way to use this so you're not you're not fooling them You're like no, this is actually the way the phone is right now It's a way to be able to carry your data with you And yet, you know, and then you restore it when you get to the other side I mean you could just do that anyway. You know, well, that's the thing I mean with services like like Android or our iPhone everything is stored Essentially on the cloud now granted like unless you you know unless you had something very particular on your phone Like my photos are backed up to photos on Google and whatever and once you wipe it I mean there's you have the sim that has a phone number, but you don't have any email account set up You don't have anything. What are they gonna say? It's like oh, I just bought this phone I have a head time well And especially the difference is you did it beforehand not not in response to their request It changes the nature of the legal argument I mean I think kind of to further what mark has is you basically have a system where you put in the password Automatically uploads everything off the off the phone over your data connection mobile data connection onto whatever service Like you can be a third-party service uploads images your phone essentially onto an Cloud service and they just wipes your phone you give it to them and then when you get back You know you you de-download the app or whatever you're putting your you know your passcode and then we just restores your phone Yeah, anyway mark we are only poking holes in this because it's such a good idea And so we wanted like okay, it can't be it sounds almost too good to be true Where where are the weak points, but it is a very intriguing thought Also got some emails in response to Lamar and I talking about not only the one plus three T but whether you should actually spend money on a flagship phone and Jay Hatchel Was listening to us and it felt ironic because at the end of a car trip where he was listening to us talk about this He got home and a one plus three T was waiting for him on his doorstep He said I needed a new phone now, but was tentatively thinking I might want the new super amazing awesome 10th anniversary iPhone that's been rumored to come next fall So I was limiting myself to less than $500 for a new phone and in that price range You're looking at the ZTE axion 7 the le echo lapro 3 or the one plus three T of those three the le echo and one plus Both use qualcomm's current best snapdragon 821 and between those two the one plus has more ram a Lightly skinned version of Android and is more developer slash mod friendly So I bought it and I have to say I'm really impressed the phone is great Apple's really gonna have to bring their a game if they ever expect me to pay Apple prices again He says PS it may only matter to a small amount of people but Android Auto eats Apple's car plays lunch My car supports both and a a is smoother more intuitive and does much better at glanceable information According to Jay Hatchel that is like we got a convert there. Yeah, and then Tyler in Gale force windy, North Jersey Points out the reason you might want to get the flagship phone He says consider the resale value of your flagship phones I buy a new iPhone every year unlocked so that I'm not tied up with cellular carrier contracts or financing schemes This lets me sell my iPhone to next worth every year for about three hundred dollars your mileage may vary This means that my new flagship iPhone essentially costs three hundred dollars below sticker price Yes, a bargain phone may cost less up front But it's worth considering the lack of value in the long run in your calculations of total life value So you spend four hundred dollars on a phone How much are you going to be able to sell it for down the road? You're gonna sell it for a hundred dollars, maybe fifty ninety Then the cost of the phone is three hundred dollars versus what Tyler's saying here is if he's spending seven hundred dollars on an iPhone He's really only spending four hundred because he sells the old one for three hundred Yeah, and if you sell it on your own see he's using a service that automatically means it's gonna be a little bit lower There's a bigger cut taken there if you sell this on your own on eBay not saying that that's convenient Or worth your money or time, but you might get six hundred or sometimes more so it's a good point It is that upfront investment though and then we see how things go after that But I don't know I actually think both of these guys have really good points about the platforms It's just a matter of which one's giving you what you want and maybe the car stuffs enough For Jay Hatchel and not enough for Tyler. Well, and there's a cash flow issue, right? If you don't have seven hundred dollars, then you're not buying the iPhone Unlocked anyway, right? So you may say look, you know what I I can afford to buy a ZTE axion or a one plus three T now and then I'll just write it as long as I can and That was kind of the point of Friday show was these mid-range phones are getting so much better That you can use them for quite a lot while longer than you used to be able to there's probably a bigger discussion about how Apple is gonna I mean, I know they've got low-end solutions. They have last year's phones for sale They they try to have kind of a legacy lower cost here Moving forward, but I don't know if it's enough anymore. They've got they've got real competition and mid-range phones now like we're talking about here and for them to Maintain their leadership role with iOS in the space that it's in they're gonna want to and I don't mean it's leading Android I just mean generally speaking if they want it to be stay where they are and keep growing They're gonna have to do more about the mid-range and I don't know what that is yet or how they would handle that It's all very non-Apple-ish kind of well The IDC numbers for India came out today and Samsung still on top But Xiaomi actually made it into the top five there and they've been on the wane in China And and you saw some some big rises for companies that make these mid-range phones Lenovo slash Motorola is number two in that market, so Rich straffolino and lovely Cleveland wrote in and said with an Amazon putting out chime I think it might be a symptom of the same issue Uber is constantly trying to manage the Amazon web Infrastructure is designed for high availability. AWS is what he's talking about high availability, but also needs relatively high Utilization for profitability. I think services like chime are being made not as profit centers in their own right But to keep their infrastructure busy so to speak much like uber does with drivers with uber eats and package delivery Amazon is relentlessly adding capacity. It grows enough compute capacity every day to power its entire company circa 2005 I'm not saying this is the only reason for chime the teleconference market is terrible and easily disrupted But I think we'll see more offerings like this as a hedge against slowing utilization. Yeah, I think he's right I mean The whole point of AWS the whole point of getting a you know Servers through Amazon for any kind of enterprises is some of these same reasons It's about utilization and if they need to utilize more of it themselves. Well, why not plus? I don't know. I like when Amazon does new things every time they do something new that I like I get excited I think wow, this is another part of the tech sector that nobody saw coming they were selling books and look at them now like I'm impressed sometimes not always But sometimes with what Amazon comes up with I'd kind of hoped that my Amazon Prime subscription would continue to be this one dome of Covering all things Amazon might ever do services wise. Unfortunately, that is include chime or at least their premium version of chime But still I like it and I think he's probably not wrong about kind of a loss leader sort of idea here with us We talked yesterday about the president of Microsoft. So not the CEO the president Brad Saying in a speech at RSA but also in a blog post that there should be a Geneva convention for cyber attacks And we discussed sort of whether it was a good thing Patrick was a little bit skeptical of whether this could be achieved whether whether it was really a Call that that would turn into anything useful Rusty in Virginia said look this public discussion of the issues is how International norms of behavior are established the United National group of government experts which Brad Smith referenced in his post is One forum where nations are discussing these issues Another one that you might not know about is the Tallinn manual a group of preeminent International lawyers and experts on both the law of armed conflict and cyber security who just published their second version Version one focused on armed attack in cyberspace. Well, lots of great stuff about just add belem reasons to go to war and Just in bellow just in bellow rules of war the Geneva convention is an example of juice in bellow I believe it might be juice not just the second version of the manual explores the cyber operations all the other activity That is short of an armed attack. You've got to buy the manual But there is a free fact sheet posted at c cd coe.org And we'll have a link directly to the Tallinn manual there that Rusty points out So essentially what he's saying is lots of experts discussing exactly this thing and Brad Smith's call is Is just trying to get that conversation to not only carry on but to get more visibility Yeah, I love it I love this idea that we would take this stuff more seriously It feels like we're gonna have to and we kind of are already but when you start saying things like we need a Geneva convention For cyber security and cyber attacks It sounds to some ears. I'm not saying everyone's ears not my ears, but some years are gonna hear that and go Oh, well, what do you think this is? This isn't a real war like there's there's gonna be a divide still about what? You know, some people still think it's the information super highway and it's 1995 So I think this will only take a little bit of time But I love the idea that that we could have some sort of standard that is internationally recognized supported and honored and I guess enforced. I think that's a really interesting idea Finally regarding our discussion of downloadable content yesterday Paul Says man, I used to be appalled by companies asking you to pay for DLC But now he's a developer and he finds it a positive as long as developers aren't abusing the system He says look, I know some developers abuse the idea of DLC But they usually lose because people won't pay for it Paul says content is cut from a game because it isn't good Or there wasn't time to finish it. He writes without DLC You would just never get those features particularly good ones might have made it into an expansion eventually in the old days But often if the game did not do great expansions would not be made and a lot of work would be lost He says as a designer I love DLC because it allows me to add features to the game that we would never have had time to do or are Particularly niche with the core game You're compelled to make sure everything is balanced and appeals to the widest portion of your player base as possible And this often stops you from doing riskier experimental mechanics DLC allows you to make features for a particular fraction of your players who really love a certain aspect of the game Without forcing some new mechanic onto players who don't DLC can even be the home silly Experiments such as a race of evil squirrels that are trying to take over the galaxy that you don't want to canonize in the lore of the game But you know players will love I've seen players accuse us and others of milking them for money Or just taking advantage of them and I feel their pain But all I can do is make the case above and assure them that all we want to do is make our games and make them better As Patrick noted a game is never done There just comes a time when we are not allowed to work on it anymore And thanks to DLC that time is now months if not years after the game ships Yeah, I'm with Paul a hundred percent. I wouldn't have much to add to this except to say Well, first of all, thank you for the insight because it's nice to hear from somebody on the inside about issues that we really just take for granted Or don't understand as gamers as consumers but secondly DLC really has provided a way for a certain level of creativity and experimentation that I really appreciate like I Know certain games that I play That I would not have gotten What they eventually gave me had it not been for a digital space where we can download a chunk of content for less money and Play that thing and a good example of that was my Game of all platforms for the last generation which was Red Dead Redemption and they put out this Halloween DLC content that was basically a zombie Alternate story and it was amazing still maybe the best story DLC. I've ever paid for well I don't think I got it certainly was an expansion content and I don't think we had gotten a sequel With just that like I think it would have been lost to the wind Otherwise, so yeah, we we are living in an embarrassment of riches time when it comes to this sort of thing and I for one really Really appreciate what comes out of it and beatmaster wrote downloadable content is there to make a profit nothing bad about it But no need to spin it and I think that's fair to say too like look I think you know our writer Paul here is is correct that this is stuff. They wouldn't have given you They're not hobbling most Video game companies are not hobbling a game But on the other hand, they wouldn't put it out if they weren't gonna make money on it So, you know, it's it's not a charity or anything like that either Well, plus your your mileage is gonna vary some Sometimes they'll they'll be a game or an example of it where it feels a little fishy a little shady Gamers are smart. We know what end results can be and we know if we're getting taken a little bit But but for the most part, it's that's a knee-jerk reaction And by the way, he works on galactic civilizations 3 which is an awesome series And that makes me even more impressed because I know that thing is hard to make. That's a tough game Well, thank you Scott Johnson as always frogpants.com to find all the good things that Scott does outside of Daily Tech News show What else you got going on these days? 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Yes type raising my hand in the chat room If you know who yahoo serious is Many bucks too many 63 years old Yahoo serious is 63 Wow, you must be serious. Does he still acting? Okay, early returns are not good. I have no idea raising my hand. No raising my hand raising my hand Put my hand down Look, I should make this clear. I barely know and he was not he was a blip in time barely It's it's mostly raising my hand But it's it's pretty close to 5050 tried to be the next Paul Hogan in like US movie Circles he did a lot of he did a lot of Australian movies But I don't think he did a lot is a merit the ones that were released here were terrible He'll always be my young Einstein young Einstein reckless Kelly. That's when I remember. Oh, we directed and wrote that one And it's it's a big poop. It's a big poopy I'm sure he's done more than those three movies has he You can't be serious I might just go with it anyway, but if I don't what's our what's our other option? I guess he is still only three credits He's 510 Our other option is yahoo by getting too big for its breaches Well, I like go I go like going with the yahoo with the yahoo angle either way. So yeah, we can let the votes Why so yahoo serious? That gets the yahoo serious and the Joker allusions in packs him in Who's Paul Hogan? Oh Stoic squirrel. You can't be you can't be joking. You gotta be kidding I talked to some kids over the weekend. They were 10. They didn't they'd never heard of a Bugs Bunny or the Roadrunner. So well the reason I'm not gonna go yahoo by getting too big for its breaches Is that it's actually getting smaller because they're paying less Why so yeah, should we go with why so yahoo serious? I'm just gonna do it Yes lunch man, there was a movie about him wearing a bucket on his head that was called the reckless Kelly It's based on the actual Australian historical figure of Ned Kelly Who was really he was kind of like a not Jesse Jean kind of like he was an outlaw and One of his trademark things is he dressed up in armor to protect himself from being shot Remember this now. Yeah Those are the only two movies I know so he's he's barely known here. It's very obscure. It's 80s blip But he's 63 Not that that's that old but just the idea that someone named yahoo serious would ever hit it So it's like finding out the poly shores in his fifties, which he is weird Yeah, but he shaved his head so he doesn't look his age Freak out Tom. No, no, sorry. I keep trying to change the title Yeah, in the in the the audacity thing and it keeps changing it back when I press enter Source wait Polly shore was from MTV, right? Yeah initially. Yeah, I just remember that risk from Encino No, that was the one he did with Brendan Frazier Encino man Right was any of that that was that was the joke I was making Um No, well the two movies that remember him for a bio dome and what's the one or is you would jury duty? Now Biodome is garbage. There's a bad movie. It was a bad It was a good idea of a poorly executed both in real life and the movie In the army now or whatever is worse though Yeah, you know, that's actually not bad because what's her name saves it to an extent Actress she played she played the tank girl. Oh Laura petty I think I like her she saved that movie for me. She she's a good actress Which is interesting because tank girls based off an Australian comic or no British comic that takes place in Australia about a Last who rolls around in a tank and has his best friends with a mutant camel. It's a great comic a girl is crazy weird Movie was okay. I love the comic though. Well, what's the Naomi Watts wasn't that her big movie break? Was that her break? Naomi Watson tanker. Oh, I don't think so Could be right though. Well, let me let me let me bring up tanker Loving Rockets was another indie comic I was way into back in the day Oh, and didn't we're thinking to make that into a movie at one point or I think it's been yeah I think it's been optioned out. I mean, it's been optioned out many times But recently I think it got got into development again She played Jack girl and tank girl. Yeah, the the band the band Loving Rockets wasn't based on the comic was it? My I don't know It'd be I don't know if it was or not Let me look at the Loving Rockets is a phrase that predates the comic So the band could be based in the reformed in 85 When the comics and the band's name was taken from the comic book series Loving Rockets by I mean Gilbert Hernandez Los Bros Hernandez Like Loving Rockets was like the big like like at least for my generation the the non mainstream comic In the same way that our crumb was like super underground No when I was living in Austin in the 90s. Yeah, it's when I was reading Loving Rockets. So totally Marvel Been around for a while. No, I had to catch up Nineties were a big catch-up time for me too with comics like that Funny enough That's when the 90s is that that's no was it the late 80s? That's when the verticals started the imprint from DC that did that brought over all the British writers like Neil Gaiman and The 90s for me was that that that period of the 90s was me going to the the bookstore What was the name of that bookstore? My head it was on Guadalupe Street. It later became an urban outfitters. So sad but it was an indie bookstore and They had they carried Loving Rockets as well as several indie comics. I would get my Mondo 2000 magazines there. Oh my leave my zines there Yeah That's awesome. And now it's a research. Do you remember the research books that would do it like basically like do single topic Paperback books about various subculture things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do remember those. Oh My gosh, I haven't seen that ever It was Euro something the bookstores name a lot of that stuff the European dudes were all like late 80s mid to late 80s and then Then things really took off for all those guys, but like the earth that you let like what the Watchman happened 86 or something Actually, you can probably see you can even tie Dark Knight to that that whole era is just an amazing time for comics And Everything Alan Moore did was great his swamp thing makes you like swamp thing and swamp thing is stupid. Otherwise the movie The comic that Alan Moore wrote is so good Well, you know think we're booted a lot of things with Like a Sandman like, you know, if you read the Golden Age Sandman, it's just a standard Pope comicky, you know fair, but he he he turned it on its head is like whoa Yeah, game engine that brought in a lot of readers I think a lot of people realized that there was any Sandman before gaming There was yeah, no, but I think I think it's so lost to history Like a lot of people assume game and created him. Yeah, I think that's true. I did for a long time Now I used to be super into Golden Age comics just because I thought they were the weirdest thing ever They are weird because they their stories are like cracker cracker jack box short like they're not very deep It was interesting because you know until that time characters like Captain America and Superman were treated in a very specific way and it wasn't till like the Maybe around the Silver Age that things start to change as you got into the 60s and 70s They they they became a little less impregnable like they're dead character flaws that start servicing up That made them a lot more interesting Can't be a good guy all the time Unless you're Superman and then you need to die and come back and then raise sales. Yeah, or you got a Superman these days It's always has to be questioning In a weird place It's both those two companies are in a weird place. We watch when we watch the Superman for the quest for peace for My gosh you guys It was the worst thing I've ever seen maybe and we had a blast with it, of course, but it was so bad It was horrendous. Yeah horrendous no good word for how bad it is It's just garbage and it was those canon film guys I don't know how they have the rights to any of it It's because they kid no one wanted to produce that movie and they thought they would have a hit with it I mean the thing is after the third one with Richard Pryor. It was kind of like yeah, just let it die Yeah, that third one was kind of garbage too, but it was better than this that looked like a masterpiece compared before There are some elements of the third one that are pretty cool, right? It's not it doesn't hang together as as well entirely as a movie, but there's some really interesting stuff in it Yeah, I don't even remember for for it had nuclear man in it and it had It was like to quest for peace superman would save the world and the Soviet Union and the US launched all their nuclear missiles And he collected them on space because they're ballistic missiles, you know, and he tossed it into the Sun but Lex Luthor and Was talking like all the arms manufacturers were upset at the at the possibility of peace there They would go out of business right to get a nuclear man to the fight Superman Making Yeah, and now they created him is just the stupidest dumbest thing I've ever seen We'll take a bit of his hair that we have in the museum like it's super strong hair, but you can cut it with like scissors I love bio-cow the chat room writes there were only three original superman movies And if you're about to correct me all caps there were only three Originals Well, you know Number four was Christopher Reed was gave Christopher Reed his hand at directing. Yeah, well he didn't direct he wrote he co-wrote I thought he directed too. Oh, it's some other clown that did it. We were talking about this here I mean it's it's he only he got some writing credit and then a bunch of money for some other side project You know, it's funny is they to this the Selklin brothers or whatever that did the first two three Really had an opportunity with Supergirl and it actually the beginning of it um Kind of had it was like it was leading somewhere interesting and they just totally didn't know what to do with it And it flubbed it And they just poisoned that franchise until they brought it back as super boy As a syndicated tv show for saturday afternoons Yeah, remember that series. Oh, yeah All right, folks I thought you remember that series as well as we fade off into the twilight And we'll be back tomorrow with Justin Robert. Yeah Oh man Talk to you then