 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? Welcome back to another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have a special guest, Trev. He's one of the members at MIC. And I'm glad to have him on. I've talked him a bit throughout the time he's been here. So thank you for coming on, man. Yeah, of course, bro. Thanks for having me. Of course, of course. So we're kind of going to start it off like the usual way. How did you get into trading? And then how did you kind of find MIC from there? Sure. So my trading journey has been kind of crazy. I started when I was way younger. My parents got into forex trading a long time ago. Oh, shit. Yeah. So we met, it was kind of funny. We met this guy that was supposed to be this like God tier trader. And he was always flashing like sick watches. He lived close to us. So we went to his house a couple of times. He had like a fleet of cars, like Jacobs and Company watches, like all this crazy stuff. So he kind of like, I mean, I was like 18, 16, somewhere in there at the time. So I was obviously hooked. And I tried forex for a long time and tried to follow him. But his style was like never cut a loser ever. And basically there was, before the FIFO rule or whatever, you can just infinitely scale. And it never like, you would basically, every single time you add it to a position, it would treat it as a different trade. So you can cut a losing position, but also take a winner on the same trade. It was really weird. So long story short, I thought he was legit. And then he ended up killing himself. And with the FBI was like stalking him. Yeah. That's crazy. It was crazy. So, holy shit. Yeah, so like it really shook me, but like I had the trading bug. I was like, I want this. I gotta figure this out. You know what I mean? It's like the idea of trading from home. And I loved the market. So I didn't really know what I was doing, but I just love the market. So I tried forex for like another year and just never found success. Just kept spinning my, you know, wheels. And then I saw Bow on Twitter and Alex. And started following like basically all the guys on Twitter. Yeah. And I was just like, dude, why am I trading forex when I don't know one single guy that's making money doing it? Like the only people that are doing it is like some random guy on YouTube with a Lamborghini. And I just, I wasn't stupid enough to fall for that kind of, I don't know. Yeah. So I basically when Bow started MIC, I was like one of the, I don't know, one of the first members, I think. And joined up and have kind of had it up and down road in there. Tried large caps for a while, just trying to find my place. Yeah. But tried longing, tried large caps. Then I got over PDT when I sold my house and luckily was able to go to Cobra. And I've been focused on shorts for like about a year. I like that. I like that. Yeah, dude. So it sounds like you had kind of a journey a lot of people have where it's just like, it's rough kind of finding your niche. But like, you know, it's tough. I mean, we've talked about this, right? It's like, you almost have to try everything a little bit. And like people ask me all the time, like, how do you know what you're going to do? Like, Harry had to know you're going to long had to know this because Harry was started out shorting and he was really good at it, you know? But it's like, you try everything, right? And it's like, you kind of know, like in your stomach, what works and what feels good. Like, Harry, how did you even find out that longing was? I mean, we've talked a little bit, but what gave you that inkling? Um, yeah. So for me, I mean, I initially, I like, I've talked about this before. Like I started trading like OTC stocks, like really, really penny stocks, like sub penny stocks. And I grew a little account like through that. And then I got into shorting. And just because I saw everyone on Twitter was shorting. So it's like, of course, if everyone's making money shorting on Twitter, like I think most people usually start longing, but I kind of have that Twitter introduction where I saw the people were just killing it shorting. So I was like, all right, I'm going to start shorting. And I'm like, fuck this long chip. And so I guess I was kind of in a market cycle where when I was newer, it was a lot easier. Like there were no hundred, like million vault. There were no hundred million volume days. There were no crazy ass like squeezes. There were, but like as long as you didn't trade a low float, like you were pretty, pretty much golden. Like just due to the amount of volume that was traded, like you'd get a ton of faders on these stocks that are even like 20, 30 mil floats just due to the fact that there's not that much volume in the market. So I used to do the all day faders, like all time. Like Brian Lee, he spoke at traders for a cause. Like I was in a discord group with like him and bear and like we were all just absolutely killing it on the faders. But then as the volume started to come in, like I really kind of like noticed the opportunity for longs. And I wasn't necessarily getting squeezed on my shorts because like I'd always stick to like either low hang fruit or just the kind of broken stocks. And I'd usually start in either pre-market or after the open. And then they would just kind of fade. And like as far as like the losses go, like I would cut after like 10, 20 cents every time and my risk reward was always so good. But I noticed that there was an opportunity for going long, but it was just I found that like I knew it was going to take some work because I knew that I was going to have to probably like reinvent the wheel a little bit because like there's not that many profitable people longing right now. Like there's like maybe like Roland Wolfe and a couple other guys. But I mean, there's not a ton of people who are killing it on the long side. So I started with first bounce that bow taught me and then I kind of expanded my playbook from there. And I was also shorting as well, just to kind of keep that money like kind of coming in till I could get like consistent as long. And then as I started getting more and more consistent and once you nail like a big homerun long, you're like, fuck, I love this. Like, you know, like the last one that I got was like the FRI and I bought it like four dollars and sold it like 650, like it was absolute. And you're just like one. And that's in like fucking this is why you're like, I'm done for the fucking day. Like you load the boat on something like that. You're like, I'm done for the day. But that's like it's been like it is a dick thing. And like, I love it like, you know, like I love longing. And, you know, there it like it's been a bit slower for me. I'd say like the past like week week and a half. But like, you know, when it's slow for me, I know it's slow for everyone because like if stocks aren't going up and stocks aren't moving well, then like as a short seller, like it is going to be a bit slower for you as well. Because, you know, so when things are slow for me, it's really slow for everyone, you know? It's tough. It's tough. But, you know, like, it's like, Trev, it took you like a few years to kind of find your like comfort, right? Like it took you like to find exactly which money. Because I remember we talked about you wanted you didn't try low like small caps, day twos and all that. What do you think it was that kept you from finding like what it was that you wanted to focus on? Like were you venturing too far outside of something once you found comfort in it? Were you trying to do so much size? Like was there something that was preventing you from finding your niche? To be honest, just being an idiot and not the kind of where I found my seriously, like I was just trying too much stuff. Like I would have a couple of good days and I'm like, this is it. You know what I mean? And then I'd have like Harry said, I would have a good long and I'm like, I'm along, but then the market would kind of shift a little bit. And then I'm like, then I have no trades. I'm like, OK, fuck it. Now I'm a short. I just switched a lot. And it kind of came to the point where I just pissed off and I was like, dude, I got to figure this out. So I just like, why am I not just 100% following Val, Alex, James, all those guys and all the mods and chat, Tom, you know what I mean? And I just kind of sat myself down and said, no, you're going to focus 100% on what they're doing. And so I kind of just started with low hangers because everyone's all set. Low hangers are the easiest. And that's what alarm basically right. Yeah, right now I just trade. I only trade low hangers or like super broken day ones. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I avoid everything else. I think that's kind of a good situation because like there's a ton of people in M.I.C. that I just don't like understand why they're not why they're not following like the mods. Alex, like I just don't get it because like, you know, the Alex who's like literally posting his plan every morning, who's making like millions a year. And and people are still like, oh, what about this stuff? Like someone wrote the other day like and like no offense to them. They're like looking for first red day on Pfizer. It's like, bro. Like legit company. And they're also giving millions of people vaccines right now. Like you don't want to be putting that at the height of the fucking pandemic. You know, like it's just things like that where it's like, no, bro, go to the watch list, see what Alex has laid out, see what that has laid out. Or me, like even for me, longing as well, like if there's a good first bounce, I'll run and chat like, oh, good first bounce here. If there's a good play here, you know, all right, oh, good player, potential play here, you know, like no one is like holding anything back. But I would still see like long traders who don't watch the videos, who would like long broken stocks and they would do it every single day and I'd be like, bro, you're longing a broken stock. Like, you know, like this is what you need to be fucking shorting. And then they see the hot chick that's going up, up, up, up, up. And they're like, oh, it's too high. It's too high. It's too high. It's like, no, bro, buy high and sell fucking higher. Do not be trying to get these discount stocks on clearance as a long, you know. So I think it's really about just watch the videos and do what people fucking say in the videos, you know. Yeah. Well, dude, like I think for me, like when I started following Alex's watch list at first, I was honestly intimidated by it because I'd see. Because obviously, like he's a God tier trader. He's amazing. You know, you look at his P&Ls and your holy smoke. You know, obviously everyone wants to be there. But I would look at his the watch list and I would see like I'm scaling five, six, seven or something or 15, 16, 17 or I'm like, damn, I can't do that. You know what I mean? Because I just didn't understand the concept of scaling small on the front side and then getting bigger on the back side. It just it took me a while to kind of get that concept. And now like I pretty much I try to make my own watch list before his, you know what I mean? But I his, his watch list trumps mine, basically. So I make my plan and then whatever his is, I'm like, OK, well, if he's avoiding that stock, what am I doing? Well, that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to like make like be your own fisherman, right? Like I actually just cut someone's head of the day is a friend of mine who works at a hedge fund and they basically make a watch every morning. They have a meeting every morning. They talk about their plan and all the senior traders make their plans and all the junior traders kind of like make their ideas. And of course, you're going to use the senior traders like to better yourself. Like that's how you learn. Like I think people get like intimidated by like thinking that they're taking someone's idea like like if Alex or like Harry or someone puts a watch or Tom, it's like people for some reason feel like, oh, but I didn't come up with the idea. So it's not a good one. Like that's not true. Like eventually you will come up with those ideas yourself. But like, how would you know to do that if you didn't learn from someone better than you? You know, so it's like I feel like you're impeding your own progress by not listening to the guys who are more senior than you. Like I do it all the time. Like if I see book in Harry or Alex or anyone who's been trading longer than me talk about something, I go, OK, like I think I'm a smart guy. But like I should listen to them and see what they're seeing. And most of the time in trading, it's like they're right. Like guys who've seen this before, it's just like the same thing when Alex says I'm avoiding this stock. Sometimes I'm like, why is he avoiding this stock? And you look into it to low flow. It's a saw. There's a million little red flags. And it's like, and it squeezes the high heavens. And you're like, OK, like now I'm learning. So now the next time that comes up, I'm going to have the same reaction. So then you're going to kind of pass the torch down and teach the rest. But I guess I guess for you, like where you're at now, what is what is something that's kind of hindering your trading journey? Like, I know we just we had a really long call the other day, but like, what is something for you that is like you're trying to work on, you're trying to get better at and what are you doing to improve on it? So I my biggest. So I've in the last like for three to four months, I've been super consistent. So I'm winning. I'm winning like I'm a consistent trader over the last you know, since I basically started. Only are low hanging fruit in broken stocks. And obviously there's little growth period in there. But so right now I'm trying to trying to size up solely. And with that, I'm kind of realizing it's easier to be profitable with small size and then as you grow, like learning to get more size. And when I say more size for me, it's, you know, I'm trying to get like a thousand shares on to be pretty happy. Yeah. So but like I'm kind of realizing, OK, I need to go a little bit smaller on the front side. Like I've always felt like you have that first bullet's got to be like the bullet, you know, that's the line in like I got to put as much size, not as much size, but I got to put a lot of my size on that and then I get squeezed. And I'm from watching everyone else. We kind of realizing that like I need to start smaller on the front. I mean, obviously everyone says it, but smaller, a little bit smaller bullets. And then wait for the top to set and then kind of try to load in some size when you have a small stop and then my risk reward lately has been huge. Can I track everything on trader view? And I was noticing like my winning days were 50 to 100 bucks. But when I lose, I lose like 200 bucks. And so it was, you know, to have a couple of good days and then shit on a couple of good days, shit on. And I was like, dude, I got to cut those out. So kind of realized the sizing thing was my big issue. And then how I kind of decided to work on it was what we talked about the other day. I've been religiously recording my screens and then I'm just taking everyone's charts that post them, except Bao, Bao just because he's so it's hard. He's robotic. Yeah, I know I can't be on Bao's level right now. So it's like, you know what I mean? So I watched Alex charts, your charts and basically put them up on my screen and then I'll just watch the tape, kind of watch the price action around it and just try to figure out what's happening. I've been DMing Alex and kind of ask him, hey, how much size did you put on this? And like, how much did you cover here of your position? Just to try to get, you know, understand kind of what he's thinking in his thought process for putting a little bit more size on. Yeah, I just wanted to say kind of one thing is that actually two things. Number one, I just like I wanted to kind of talk about the watch list like real quick again and like I feel like when you're in an environment like I might see like it's also like kind of competitive a little bit, you know, like you see someone get that feel like you want that feel, you know, like you see someone get this, you want that. And then when you look at the watch list, you kind of boil it boils down and you're like, oh, well, I don't want to be copying his plan. I want to be doing this myself. I want to be doing this myself because it is kind of, you know, it is kind of competitive environment when you're trading, you know, like it's like playing sports or playing whatever. And like, you know, I guess when you have a ton of shorts, you know, together, you are technically all on the same team. But like, you know, when you're playing on a team, you always want to get the most goals or the most points or the most of this, right? I mean, it's just fucking human nature. I mean, for some people it's not. But I mean, at least for me, like when I see a fucking long go up and someone else catches it, like, you know, I'm happy for them. But I'm like, fuck, I wish I got that fuck, you know, you know what I mean? So yeah, for sure. When you're in that type of environment, I think for me, like as far as the watch list goes, like you should be thinking of it like that you're in a team environment, right? As opposed to I've got 2300 other people that are, you know, you know, I don't, you know, I don't really know them. I don't really know what's going on. But like, I think like if you focus on that as like a team environment where like everyone is trying to get better and like everyone's trying to help themselves, it makes it a little bit easier to follow the watch list and be like, OK, Alex is here to help me, you know? And so when you have that kind of mindset, it's a lot easier to be following the watch list is it's like, OK, thank you, Alex for the help. You know, now I'm kind of helping myself. I'm not following you like thank you for the help, you know? And when you look at it as like that mindset and like a team environment, like sometimes it can help like as far as like looking at the watch list goes and also like I think as far as like the whole like sizing and like getting better and stuff like that, I think it's good that you that you recognize that because, you know, when you're kind of like loading more, more size, like on the backside, like that helps you so fucking much because it reduces your risk so much on the front side as a short. And I mean, you don't really know how far it can go, right? I mean, you start in at six and you start in with that big first bullet because you're, you know, I feel like when you're a newer trader, you're kind of like programmed like one entry, one exit. But, you know, now that you're over PDT and whatever, like you can fucking infinitely scale for the most part. So it's like, you know, first bullets at six. Well, add a bit more at seven, add a bit more date, you know, when you're using the same bullet like three times and, you know, you end up with a shit average and then the stock's going down and then you're like barely getting paid on it. But when you're kind of adding a little bit, you know, at six, a little bit at seven, a little bit at eight. And then you get this massive death candle and then you add it all in on the pop. Well, then you get a fucking great average and that's a great way to approach it. And just I wanted to just mention one more thing, like as far as like newer traders listening to this is that. And I talked about this yesterday is that like, if you're not like, if you're if you're a newer trader and, you know, let's say you're trading a broken stock and you're not adding into strength. I really don't believe you're putting yourself in a good place to grow, you know, if you're always waiting for that like confirmation candle or you're always waiting for that, whatever. And you're not like adding a little bit into strength. I don't think you're putting yourself in a really good position to grow. I'm not saying add a lot of shares, but like just like you talked about where you're like slowly kind of scaling in and then you're adding a lot on the backside. Like you get that, you know, learning and teaching moment from when you have skin in the game that you can't really practice on the weekends, you know, like as far as you like when, you know, when you have like, let's say like a hundred or two hundred shares in a stock, like you're watching the stock hard, you know, like even though you don't have that much money in the game, you're still getting that opportunity where you're like watching the tape like super, super closely and like you're you're like putting your mind, you know, in that situation where you do have money online and you are in that kind of like fight or flight situation where you're you're watching it closely, you're watching it closely because like even if it's one dollar on the stock, like I'm going to be fucking watching that shit hard, you know. And so I think that puts yourself in a really good position as far as your growth because you're getting that experience. You're watching how things are reacting at levels. You're watching that kind of water flow. You're watching the tape and you're you're seeing how other people react in the chat and you're you're you know, you're seeing everything, the money flow, the everything as it takes place and you're really, really hyper focused. Whereas you watch the tape back on like a weekend, you're kind of scrolling, you're like, fuck it. You know, OK, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward. You know what I mean, right? Oh, there's stuff. I'm a backup. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like fast forward. Oh, I'm just going to manipulate this fucking tape how I want to see it. And then you walk away feeling like a winner, but you don't really have the kind of skin in the game and that kind of real time experience. So I think, you know, that is a perfect position to put yourself in a really, really good kind of gross spot because of, you know, just having that little bit of skin in the game. And then you're loading the boat on the backside. So you're taking advantage of that strength and you're taking advantage of that confirmation, which really trains your mind to, you know, trade like a reflex or whatever, right? Yeah, I was watching a video of Alex and old IG Live. Thanks, James, for the recommendation. I was I've been going through those and he said something that was like really caught my attention. He said that he puts all his small fishing orders out. And basically he's just kind of letting the stocks tell him which one to focus on. Yeah, like when his little fishing orders hit, he's like, OK, now it's time to pay attention to the stock. Like, is this going to be a stock I add more to? Or is I'm just going to let it run a little bit. And I kind of liked that approach because if you're staring at it super hard before you end up foam owing in way too early. And I've done that plenty. Did you know how many times I've like like my level like I'm looking at right now, like my levels are like, let's say 330, 350, but like it bounces to 325 and you're like 315 or something. You're like, oh, let me get in a little bit. Whereas like, you know, if you just kind of like can pump the brakes and like actually wait for your spots. And like I feel like sometimes I like to put my mind and like the long bias trader because I feel like it's a long. It's way more like a short. You can kind of scale in a little bit. I feel like long is like the best entry. Like is the most patient entry like Harry says. And like that's where you're going to get the best risk reward. So it's the same idea on the short side. Is the more patient you are, the better outcome you're going to have the bigger P and L you're going to have the more size you're going to be able to get on and be able to do a lot more. And I think it's a key lesson I've learned over time. And I know we talked about this trip, but like, you know, there are trades, I mean, before you enter a trade when I'm looking at a chart, I'm thinking to myself, like, is this a chart that if it gets to my best line, is it a nail and bail trade? Am I trying to like, you know, am I hitting that one line maybe sizing into that line or even not maybe just getting my 30% whatever. And then whatever happens it tanks, I'm covering out because the range isn't there. If it's a stock with a ton of range and you're able to, you know, you can scale in a little bit, you can let it reject, then you can add size. And like you still have plenty of space to like, add size responsibly without like just being so tight and so like nervous. So I think a lot of people just try to size on everything. Like, like there's a chart, a couple of charts today, these stocks are only up like 20%, 30%. Those aren't stocks that you're going to be able to, in my opinion, add size to. You're going to go for the nail and bail. It hits your best line. Austin talks about being a line trader. Your confirmation is the stock hitting your line. You know, I'm going to try to size into my best line if it gets there with my hard stop. And that's it. You know, if a stock's up 100%, then you can think to yourself, all right, when this finally rejects, now I can think about the big picture move. And when I say big picture, I'm not saying hold it all day long for a home run, you know, line to line the bigger picture idea and then you can add size. And I think that's why like, again, everybody struggles with that idea. It's like, I don't know why people try to rush it. I mean, I do is they want to make more money, but it's just, you can't rush that. And you kind of have to identify the setups where you can do that. Yeah, and I also want to just point something out is that, you know, I don't know if you can do this on best or not, I forget, but if you can set like price alerts or something like that, that can help you, you know, a lot as far as like not being at your desk, like when the market opens, like I know a lot of people, they have a lot of patience issues like not waiting for their line. And some people like you just can't change. Like I know that like, like some people have changed, but some people are just- But that was like that. Yeah. That was FOMO, right? He scales in, like that's why he does it too. Yeah. And so some people, you know, you're not going to change. So if you're one of those people, like I would kind of encourage you, like set up price alert and leave the fucking room at 930 when the market opens. And if you get that alert, you fucking run back in. But if you don't get that alert, no fucking trade. And just being no bad, I mean, I'm serious because I know some guys who- I agree with you. Let's say, let's say, you know, it's the hot chick and all of a sudden we get a stuff move. And so, you know, they're like, well, what am I going to trade? Right? And then they go and they see a little broken stock popping and that's where the fucking problems start for them. And they'll, you know, I guess they'll along the broken stock, you know, get fucked there. Then they'll maybe go to, I mean, I've seen this happen before, like, and they'll go to a low-hanging fruit and they'll see that pop a little bit and they'll think, oh, the low-hanging fruit, that's good long, no things popping. Also not a good idea. And then they'll go to another shitty broken stock and long that again and think, and they'll leave their desk and go, wow, I really fucked up. And then they'll message me and say, Harry, look at what I did today. And I'll say, bro, when was a low-hanging fruit long ever in the video since MIC started, right? But it's that problem of, it's not that they don't know what they're doing wrong. It is that, you know, they're just not training themselves to be put in good habits, right? And so, if it's a year and you still are having a hard time training yourself, you gotta change it up. So that's where the price alerts can help out a lot because on thinkorswim, like you can get an alert on your phone that says, hey, this is at this level now, and you can run back in your office and trade that shit. But if you, you know, if someone's listening to this, like not necessarily trapped, but like, you know, if you've got a problem and that's the problem, then you can fix that with price alerts, get those alerts on your phone and then you can put yourself almost back in your office and you're less stressed again. You know, like it's like, you take yourself out of the driver's seat and then you put yourself back in and you've got a different mindset and you're like, wow, okay, like this is at my level, this is what I planned for before the open, this is what I'm kind of, you know, doing and I'm kind of thinking about and that can really put yourself in a good situation. Whereas if you're just sitting at your computer or your monitor to trade, you know, that's where I think you can get into trouble on definitely slow days, definitely on slow days. I agree. I actually, I really like that advice because I think, especially as a short bias guy, it's like, you know, that we have such FOMO for some reason, like a stock pop, since I get to eat anywhere close to your line, like you just get FOMO, it's instant, right? Like what, I think what makes Alex so good is that he's patient for his lines. Like that's why he can use the size he does because he's getting the best possible entry. And it's like, I think we all, and I know like I've had this issue, Trap, this issue is just, you just size too early or you don't know where to add size and it's like, you know, again, we recognize that the best place to size is at the best line. So now it just comes to like the inner battle between ourselves, like can we be more patient? And like, like Harry said, like use tools to make you more patient for those levels. If that means you trade less, like would you rather like nail and bail, like trade small size and every ticker, be a little early, like have small days or would you rather get to your best line, use the best size, and then you make enough money that you don't have to fucking trade for a year? Yeah, and I think that also when following your plan becomes, you know, it becomes more than, like when you're in a situation and following your plan, like is like the number one thing you're focusing on every day, that's where, you know, you can really kind of, that's where the magic happens. Like when following your plan is more than the money, that's when you can make a lot. I like that. I like that a lot. So, Trevor, I mean, before we wrap it up, you know, do you have, because you've been with MIC since the beginning, do you have any sort of advice for newer guys coming in or guys who are still maybe struggling to find their footing? Yeah, dude. Basically, the things, what you were saying actually kind of ties into what you're just saying. One of the things that helped me, because I have been that idiot that jumps in early and just sits down and I feel like I have to be in a trade. The biggest thing for me that helps, well, one is watching all the videos and then two is I screenshot, I mean, I have every trade I've ever, almost ever taken, I screenshot it. And when I'm feeling after a horrible week and I'm like, man, I got destroyed this week, I would go sit down and look at my, my all my screenshots. I kept them, not just in like a journal, but I keep them all winners, all losers. And then I keep them by play, like what type of play it was. I keep them pretty well organized. And I'll look back at my trades and it's like, you look and you say, damn, I basically, it's not that I'm a bad trader. I just did, well, I'm a bad trader, I guess the right way to say it. I didn't do what I was supposed to do. It's not that the system's broken because that's where I used to switch around a lot. It's like, oh man, longing sucks. But it's like, no, I was just doing a bad job of it. And I would notice kind of my patterns like, well, I'm slamming lows, it's 20 cents off the line and I missed it. So now I'm slamming it and it pops up, I get stopped out, duh, Trevor. Like that's not trading, bro. And honestly, dude, that's given me a lot of comfort in like those really shitty times where you're just, your account's bleeding and you're like, man, am I ever gonna get this? I would look at my trades and say, am I really doing everything they're teaching or am I just doing my own thing? Being an idiot. And I'd look and I'd be like, well, I can't quit if I'm not doing exactly what they're saying, you know what I mean? It's just like, I can't quit. 39.99% of the time, it is never the market's fault. It is never the market's fault that you're losing or that you're having a bad day. It is always yours. You'll get that one, I'll give you the 0.1% if you get a black swan or I can offer him in your lawn and you did what you're supposed to and shit just goes crazy, I'll give you that. But like you're saying, right? How can you quit this game if you're not doing what people are teaching you? If you're gonna ignore that and lose, then this isn't for you, you know? It's like stick to it. Yeah, you should. I agree, you should. If you can't stick to what the better people are telling you, like, it's like Harry telling people, like stop longing day two, stop doing this, stop longing, low broken VWAP, everything, all that shit. And people are like, I'll fucking do it again. I love that meme. It's like, I'll do the same thing until I, so you stop. It's like, dude, what the fuck? Let's go out and take my money meme. Yeah, it's like, go ahead, dude. And also I think on, you know, situations like that, like, yes, like if you're long something and all of a sudden it gets halted, like for an offering, like, you know, what are you gonna do in that situation, right? Like, I mean, that's never happened to me. I have gotten a stop that halted. I remember like, it was my fault. Like my biggest loss was my fault. It was like a year or whatever. And like, I left some open orders out, the stock tanked and got halted. And I guess there was a conference call going on and I didn't realize. And I guess the whole fucking team just went on the call. Like, everyone said, fuck it, I'm out. Like, I'm done with my phone. Don't worry, it's long enough. So I'm stuck. I have like open fantasy orders open. I'm like, holy shit, holy shit, holy shit. Takes like fucking four and a half, five hours to open up. And then, you know, after that it just tanked and eventually dollar from like, I believe like five or something like that. Like absolute madness. And, but even then, like that's a situation where I was sloppy, overconfident, you know, not paying attention to what's even going on with the ticker, right? Those are all my fault. And so, you know, I think that like, when you take a good hard look at it, like all your losses are your fault, but it's like how you control them. And I think for FOMO as well, like have rules around your FOMO, you know, have rules around your shitty risk management or have rules around, you know, where you have been sucking in your trading, you know? If you just, you know, go on trade review and you're like, okay, not 90% of my losses are pre-market. Well, then stop fucking trading pre-market. 90% of your losses are in the first 15 minutes of the day. Well, obviously you suck in the first 15 minutes of the day, so don't trade that, you know? There's such simple rules. Okay, like let's take a look at my charts on the weekend and where are my losses coming from, you know? What mindset was I in on? So true. And what, like where did the FOMO come from? Okay, well, obviously I'm losing on these types of situations. So I'm just gonna cut that out. You know, like for me as a long trader, I noticed that those stocks that kind of spike and like give their initial range and then like kind of drop down and break high day again. Like I'm going to lose on that 90% of the time, you know? Like a situation that Tom just posted on BLPH. I mean, someone can look it up if they want, right? That type of chart where we kind of pop up and go back down. Let's say that thing breaks 375 again, like 90, like 99% that's fucking stuffing, like, you know? And so once you kind of recognize that, you can either go long before and sell into the stuff or you just don't trade it at all. And, you know, yeah, like that right there. Yeah, Trev's showing it. You know, if you're listening to audio on Spotify, well then you're gonna- It's like Tom's fucking chart, dude. Oh, I just, I was just seeing him trade. Like the stock hasn't even done anything yet. He's already trading it. He is the biggest FOMO piece of shit. I hope he hears this at the end of it. I can't even stand it sometimes. It's insane. I'll be like, I'll go to pick a piss and he comes back and he's like short everything. I'm like, oh my God, I need a better tab. We do have to get ready for the open. I didn't realize what time it is. So Trev, thank you for coming on, man. I love this- Of course, guys. I like talking to you. I think you've been awesome in the community and I look forward to seeing your progress. Yeah, brother. Hey, thank you man. It's always good to talk to you guys. Hell yeah, dude. Anytime.