 It's 5.30. I'm going to start the Public Works May 12, 2020 committee meeting. Just for clarity to help us in this virtual meeting, I'm going to, for attendance, I'll call out names. And if you can say here, that would be great. Those that aren't here can say not here because they're not going to answer. And if you can, please keep your devices on mute unless speaking. And the other statement that I would like to ask is that if you make a second, a first or a second, that you actually call out your name. So like if I were to say, to make a first, I would say, you know, nominate Wolf kind of thing. That'll definitely help us to take care of the notes. So starting with roll call. Alderperson's Decker. Alderperson's Phillips. Alderperson's Savagino. Marcus. Alderperson Marcus Savaglio from the Fifth District is here. Excellent. Alderperson Sorenson. I'm here. Excellent. Todd Wolfe chair is here. David Bebel is here. Ryan is here. Joe Curlin is here. And Don Sokolowski is here. Thomas Cameron. Do we have Jason on the line? Jason. That's a little bit. Thank you. And I think Steve. Steve. I'm here. Perfect. Okay. I believe that's everybody. And John Powers is on too. Hi, John. Hi, John. Sorry. All right. Pardon? Also, Mike Willmuth. Yeah, we got you. You said here before. Thank you. All right. So if you could join me in 1.3 for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. Thank you. Sorry I got lost because we had the little delay. All right. 1.4 introduction of the committee members and staff. I believe all of us know each other so we can move on from there. 2.1 approval of the minutes from April 14th, 2020. Looking for a motion. All in favor? All in favor? All the person Decker? Aye. All the person Phillips? All the person Marques? All the person sorenson? Aye. and chair votes aye any nays it's approved all right 3.1 geo 1 2021 April 21st 2020 document 4.1 ordinance reestablishing the break bulkhead line along a portion of Broughton Drive north of the Sheboygan River in the city of Sheboygan David you want to take that we we had this in committee once before and we talked about the the line and and how it was being described and we wanted to basically we talked about it we felt there would be more advantageous to represent really what's truly the lakefront as of today especially with the improvements with the marina and the boat ramp the boat launch area as well and some of the the youth boating center so we had it we we went back and we said let's revise it what's in front of you tonight is that document reestablishing that bulkhead line of Lake Michigan along the shoreline basically establishing that section of shore and any navigable waters within that boundary so basically I guess if there there's included here there's the the legal description of this new legal description of the bulkhead line as as is presented as well as basically diagrams within your packet showing the location now visually which I think is ultimately a little better for for everyone's review so what we would be recommending is that the committee recommend to the Common Council to adopt this general ordinance reestablishing this bulkhead line along the portion of Broughton Drive north of the Sheboygan River in the city of Sheboygan thank you thank you director Bevel I definitely remember this situation because we were being conservative when we first were reviewing it and we felt that we should bump it out to capture as much as possible so this is actually still has to go out for approval by the state correct once once we adopted as the city then it gets forwarded on to the next approval process which will be forwarded on to the state okay perfect any questions from the committee looking for a motion motion to approve okay thank you for that motion and support yeah all in all the person Decker I all the person Phillips I all the person's log you all the person sorenson and chair votes I it's approved 3.2 Geo 2 20 21 May 4th 2020 documents 6.1 ordinance authorizing placement of the stop sign at the southeast corner of North Point Drive and Broughton Drive this is actually one of one in my neck of the woods that I'm passionate about Brian did you want to talk about it director Bevel since I'm at the mic and Ryan and I right here you said just go for it so so but again and the item up for consideration and I is adding a stop sign as you as you said Mr. Chairman at the southeast corner of North Point Drive and Broughton Drive and what you have in your packet again is a diagram of the proposed improvement we're going to be looking at this is a heavily traveled popular intersection but it's uncontrolled we've added some stop signs but now at North Point and Broughton we're looking to do some geometric improvement putting some curbing gutter and making it a little bit more concise and and not so wide open and a free for all and I guess you could call it so what we're looking to do is do these improve attached improvements as well as add a stop sign and again we would hope that the Public Works Committee would recommend to the Common Council to adopt this general ordinance thank you director Bevel second Dean excellent thank you for that motion and support I have a question yes Marcus the the layout here is this done as the most efficient way to have traffic going through here or is it just meant to be the most the most cost effective well to I'll let Ryan talk but I know that when Ryan and I were talking about this the situation here this area is actually being looked at for future for I believe a roundabout but that actually has to go through what I understand is like state approval also and this is the most cost effective to correct the situation quickly while we look forward to a roundabout in the future the reason that I came forward with this IFC or this this ordinance is the fact that I've had several of the neighbors complaining they have young children and obviously knowing this area very well and being close to the lake there's a lot of traffic and it's not really a it's as you look at the at the map you can see that there's multiple streets that come together and there's really no control and for pedestrians to walk across the street in any of the directions there isn't a lot of control because of the lack of stop signs so this is a good at least I agree with this recommendation while we wait for additional approval for a future roundabout that'll make it even safer does that help you Marcus yeah I was more concerned I've walked that intersection and been afraid to drive through the intersection at times so I get the name for stop signs I was just a little concerned with if it was our permanent solution with just adding some grass in a kind of looking half hazard way but I can get behind this no problem okay thank you all right so we have a motion and support all the person Decker aye all the person Phillips aye all the person slot Marcus all the person sorenson and chair votes aye it's approved all right moving on to 3.3 ordinance 3 2021 May 4th 2020 document 6.2 ordinance creating a no parking zone Wednesday and Thursday from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. on the west side of North North 9th Street between Ontario Avenue and Erie Avenue yeah this thank you Mr. Chairman this this ordinance creates just a no a limited no parking zone specifically for Wednesdays and Thursdays speak as a result of our garbage collection one of the problems in this area is Wednesdays and Thursdays with the farmers market in this area and also other patrons and residents we have find it difficult to access this area and it's just you know in front of two properties on the west side immediately adjacent to Fountain Park and we looked at this and we feel that this would significantly help the operations all right any questions from the committee motion approved all second all right thank you for that motion and support the way all the person Decker aye all the person Phillips Marcus aye all the person sorenson and chair votes aye motion approved 3.4 resolution 7 2021 April 21st 2020 document 3.7 resolution authorizing the city engineer to enter into contract with J.T. Engineering Inc. for the traffic study regarding the intersections of North 6th Street and New York Avenue director Bevel yes given this location and the activity in terms of the art center the church as well as the county courthouse we've we've also had a pedestrian accident with the death and there's been several court requests for traffic calming traffic signals what can we do how can we prevent this from ever occurring in the future again both the city engineer Ryan sasma and myself have worked with J.T. Engineering we felt that it would be best to bring someone from the outside to really take a comprehensive look at the traffic issues in this area and study it and give us some some reckon recommendations ultimately we need to be as safe as possible and create a safe environment for pedestrians as well as as motorized traffic in the area but also we don't want to be so restrictive that it could cause other problems so we're recommending entering into agreement with with J.T. Engineering a trap to do this traffic study the the one thing I would just caution is given the current conditions it's not ideal necessarily to go out and study traffic and pedestrian movements given that the restrictions that we have on so social distancing and stay at home orders so this will be you know conducted during the optimal time in other words so but we do want to get going on it we are getting into the more of the summer season when there are more pedestrians and it would be optimal to do the study thank you director I agree that this is probably not something we want to do right away but we do need to get it approved so that as we get through this COVID situation that we were in that we can actually get this under taken care of any questions from the committee this is Ryan I'll approval second Dean all right thank you for that motion and support all the person Decker I all the person Phillips I all the person Salagio all the person Sorenson and chair for what's high so motion approves 3.5 resolution 820 21 April 21st 2020 document 3.8 resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract with Kassak roofing Inc. to replace a portion of the roof of the new water treatment building at the water treatment plant and to make expenditures related to the roof replacement director Bebel thank you Mr. Chairman this project was identified in the 2020 capital improvements program for at our wastewater treatment plant as the background analysis said this was the last updated in 1980 there's some asbestos in the roof and so we need to take some of that back but the roofs and very bad shape at this location between the digesters and in your packet there's photos of some of the work that needs to be done and it also gives a diagram of the location of the the circles between what we call the digesters again this was in the budget it's part of the capital improvements program and we're looking to get this work done this summer as construction season is quickly approaching us excellent any questions from the committee because we have talked about this in past discussions hearing none looking for a motion motion to approve Dean thank you for that motion and support all the person Decker aye all the person Phillips aye all the person Salagio aye all the person Sorensen and chair votes aye motion to prove move on to 3.6 resolution 920 21 April 21st 2020 document 3.9 resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a continuing professional service agreement with Donahue and as an associates to provide a call engineering services for the wastewater treatment plant director people yes the the purpose of this is at at our wastewater treatment plant it's quite specialized quite complicated and in it not only it's treatment but it's mechanical equipment and other processes and at times we we need engineering services consulting services Donahue and associates has preside provided engineering services to the plant in the past and this is mainly for on-call things that come up that we're not really we're planned in other words not not not necessarily our capital projects those we can plan and we can plan engineering services this would be for smaller items that pop up and we need their tech technical expertise occasionally and with this contract allows us to do is have them kind of on there was a retainer as an as-needed basis small dollar remote type of contracts anywhere from like 2000 to maybe 7 to 10 at the most on a smaller scale type of project as what this would be again there's an attached this it's kind of a standards professional services agreement that we've had reviewed and looking to have your approval so that we're able to enter into this contract with them so director people this is somewhat of a time and materials as needed correct okay thank you any questions from the committee hearing none looking from listening for a motion I make a motion to approve Dean thank you for that motion and support again any questions hearing none all the person Decker hi all the person Phillips hi all the person's laggy oh I'm trying all the person sorenson chair votes I motion approved 3.7 resolution 2020 21 made 4th 2020 document 4.11 resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the second amendment to the operating of agreement between the city of Sheboygan and power pubs LLC regarding the Sheboygan beer garden in Kiwanis Park is this gonna go to Thomas or well I can I can give you an intro to it and then if you so desire you need we can obviously we have Joe here this evening as well as Thomas but as long as you guys aren't gonna drag this out like we're gonna we're the item for upper consideration pretty well summarizes it real well I mean you know we we had some challenges last year although you know with the river being high and you know it's just a really unfortunate you know event in terms of the Lake Michigan affecting the Sheboygan River at this location because everything that I seen was really positive about this and good atmosphere so with that knowing that it was kind of struggling with with some of the the environmental conditions that we faced power pubs has required you know requested some some changes and Joe as well as Thomas and well as the operator we're all in support of these changes we think that these changes will ultimately be successful in in operating I don't know mr. chairman if you need me to read the four items but you know he was operating you know five days a week and we want to reduce that to like three so I it's I don't want to belabor this it's all there it's it's I guess if you desire mr. chairman we we review this we're supportive of it and we would entertain you to support this as well I I thank you David I I support this I think you know they bring a great opportunity to the city I'm hoping that they don't get frustrated and I'm hoping that we get through the the situation that we're in right now it's unfortunate that last year was somewhat difficult for him but he seemed to be very positive and then we had COVID happened so I totally understand where he's looking to reduce the number of days and and cost any comments from the committee yes I guess I would echo that I mean I think that anything we can do to help this gentleman be successful I mean I recognize the difficulties that he had last year with the river being high and everything like that I mean it seems like there's been a lot against you know from the outside of with nothing no control over but I'd like to see this gentleman have as much a chance to be successful and I hope that this helps excellent any additional comments from the committee listening for a well this is just as well it's discussion only sorry yep no it's discussion only sorry oh all right we'll move on to 3.8 there's a resolution it is it is up for it is up for a resolution all right I'm sorry my bad all right look listening for a motion thank you gentlemen for that motion and support any additional questions hearing none all the person Decker aye all the person Phillips aye all the person Slovakia all the person Sorenson and chair chair votes aye motion approved sorry about that all right 3.8 is a discussion only and it's the Sheboygan athletic club agreement all director people that's all right again Joe's here and I if I mean I guess I can just talk it would just to give you an update as you well know with the lighting project the we loaned the Sheboygan A's money to finance the completion of the lighting project at Wildwood athletic complex and given given the circumstances of the COVID and not having the ability to have a season which is their major ultimate revenue source for their concession sales ticket sales and so forth what what they're requesting is is that they basically delay their principal payment that was due this year and just pay the interest only for this year we met a staff we support this given the circumstances and you know ultimately it is our park and they are ultimately our lights knowing that they're the principal user and we've had a long-standing great relationship with the Sheboygan A's in the community and we support this delay perfect thank you to director people I actually had asked this this comes forward to the committee for discussion just to basically bring it to everybody's attention I know it was how many years it was a couple years ago two years ago that the lights were changed out yeah yeah but it was done in winter yeah right so this was a part in oh perfect would you like to would you like to say something sir no I guess I think director Bebel summed it all up we are facing some financial concerns going into the season or season that we may not have we're still hopeful of playing playing some baseball this year but it says it in the end it's gonna be very very limited and maybe without fans so we have a payment due that would complete the payment of the loans due on June 1st and we're asking to delay that until June 1st 2021 and make interest only payments from now or from June 1st on through June 1st of 2021 just to reduce our our expense burden for the year yeah I'm losing our leg director Bebel said based on losing our major source of revenue being the baseball games at Wildwood Park thank you so basically this is just discussion only and looking looking for just to communicate to you to the committee this will be coming to council and I'm hoping for that everybody supports this that they will look at the understanding that because of the COVID situation that they would just be supportive in interest only so this they've done a great job they've done a lot of additions down there so hopefully we'll get through this together any any questions from the committee hearing none will move on to reiterate the relationship that we have with the city it's been a fantastic one for over 55 years and we're continuing to grow the program and we really appreciated everything the city has done to support our program and bringing baseball to the community Tom Willis our our club treasurer has joined us as well I don't know Tom if you had any comments no not really I mean we think you know if we can delay some payments like this basically a principal payment for the last payment of our loan for one year that will be in good shape so we are in good shape now and we'll survive through the coronavirus thank you Scott and Tom I know I I personally support this because we do have a great relationship it's been long going you guys are a core to the city of Sheboygan and what with what you guys do and what you bring to the city so I'm sure the committee shares that support any any additional questions from the committee or comments before we move on all right hearing none I'll move on to 3.9 Citywide ADA project presentation director Bevel thank you Mr. Chairman can can the committee see this online I believe it's being broadcasted they should be able to see this as part of the meeting but everyone all the committee members should have received in in the agenda packet yep the PD the transition plan executive summary 188 pages 17 pages a part of it yeah 17 pages as the exact executive summary and then we had the analysis what is you know 110 pages and this is just a small fraction of the actual study I actually have a box in my office about the size of this podium that is full of individual photos and documentation of all the deficiencies throughout the city in terms of public facilities as well as our park areas that in terms of deficiencies I'm talking about areas of concern for compliance with the ADA in other words the American with Disabilities Act this this I have a little slide show within basically we'll just kind of walk through this is going to be you know just a really broad overview for the committee as you recall during the capital improvements we've starting in 2021 we're allocating or requesting $250,000 on an annual basis moving forward to address these concerns and in 2019 the city worked with our our insurance company cities basically the acronym is civ mix cities and villages mutual insurance company and basically they required us to do really an exact this accessibility survey to can be completed under the title to of the American Disabilities Act so what does this include the this plan that civic wanted us to do they recommended working with accept accessibility consultation and training services incorporated they're out of Wheaton Illinois and they've done multiple plans for civic members such as the city of Sheboygan and other communities in their in their in their group some of the recommendations they're not all infrastructure so they talks about we really need to do a comprehensive policy and procedures review for our city and that could be in you know employment job descriptions accessibility for meetings for instance and agendas all of that type of stuff websites as you can see are another example one of the big things that came out and that's really what's driving this is that's public works is the infrastructure and ranking mechanism for how do we how do we go through the improvements that we're going to be looking at over the next decade potentially the other thing as we talked about I talked about policies you know we talk about the language and registration forms or brochures all of those have specific requirements under the title to of the American Disabilities Act that we're going to need to do internally as well grievance procedure what happens if there's someone does you know have a complaint or a concern that of the city of hey you're not meeting city of Sheboygan this is my concern how do you how do we address that how do we comprehensively review that and come up with solutions so that needs to be refined and deliver the other thing is power driven mobility devices they're really becoming popular the cost price for for them is really becoming with the technology more and more available to those necessarily that were handicapped may maybe with confined to wheel chair now they have the ability to have power assisted battery operated mobility devices and lastly service animals that they're more and more popular they're more and more prevalent throughout throughout the area now what's our policy in handling that public works department you know we maintain over 40 parks and overall review of the facilities and parks was was comprehensively assessed parking walkways bathrooms all of that was part of part of this this is just an example of Evergreen Park you know showing we have a drainage issue here's the handicapped spaces no signs so you know things things that ultimately we need to really concentrate on it's just not some paint done up in a parking lot we need to do this right these are just some more examples of of deficiencies I can you know zoom in on here here's you know trip hazard these are you know these are facilities that we walk on on a daily basis and use but you really you know you don't notice them until you really really take a look and look at some of these factors and really get into it because they are barriers and this is really what we need to focus on in terms of being you know if we're going to continue to be the choice place to live we need to be accessible for all then it goes to our facilities and this is just our service building so service building you can see our front door we have a trip hazard and it's not even a power assisted door so you know we're currently not in compliance bathrooms again we're the buildings 50 years old and we're in need of of repairs this is just one example we have multiple buildings you know throughout the city City Hall we're fortunate we just did a major renovation so we're we're in good shape here but you know we have the senior center we have other facilities throughout the city that comprehensively we need to undertake and improve and this is what I was talking about the mobility devices either get becoming more and more prevalent more and more popular and just at at our park here just as you classic example settling around the park shelter and it's a trip hazard you know for the majority of us we don't even notice that we just take it as a step but if you're having someone in a wheelchair and a mobility device again it's it is a real concern so what do we do we've done the comprehensive inventory we developed a budget for all of these items and now we have to prior to prioritize this and start to comprehensively starting attacking these deficiencies we we're not going to be able to do this all at once it's far too expensive the total budget on this is about two point five million dollars so again 250,000 a year it's you know could be a ten-year program but but at the same time on any other city project we're looking at doing some major cap capital investment at Kiwanis Park as part of that capital improvement we're going to do some of these repairs so we're going to leverage those projects along with this money so it shouldn't take us ten years maybe seven but we're going to count where every year we're going to make a concentrated effort to address the these issues and attack them on a prioritized basis these are just some examples that of recent projects the Shaw family playground for instance once that was a great asset great project but one of the things we noticed right away after it was installed was the sidewalks and ramps to the to the park weren't in compliance so you can see we added handicap nice detectable warning fields and the grades are really nice and sloped real flat they're not on a on a pitched or an angle that would be as a barrier as well so that's an example of taking in a project leveraging that project and making the improvement so as I mentioned 250,000 for the next five years we're going to alternate between our parks issues with the ADA one year and then the next year we're going to look at our facilities and buildings and grounds for 2021 we're starting with our parks division so that our parks infrastructure can be improved and in 2022 the facility infrastructure such as buildings will be improved I know that was a real high-level overview but there we through this process and I as I mentioned it's a tremendous amount of volume of paper that we received we did get from the consultant just a general spreadsheet of everything we've consolidated that and what's up on the screen this evening is as we've developed a pivot table to even further drill into the data and because if you look at all the priority ones they will priority all the priority ones together total 1.5 million well we're not going to be able to do all the priority ones all at once so now we have to rank the priority ones and how do we determine which of those is the most important so we're going to look at criteria you know heavy use in the park the age of the park are there any other planned improvements within the next five years to this park those are all factors that we're going to refine and develop and then when we go into the 2021 capital improvements we'll present to you based on these criteria these these factors these are our priorities for 2021 for the improvements within our parks so that's what we're at at this stage I know it's I'm throwing a lot at you at high level but it is a very important part of our community and we need to take it seriously you know one of the things that by up a by not only having this plan one of the things you know in shabuagan areas we have a good tourist economy very good tourists coming and it's one of the things that outsiders visiting we need to make sure that our facilities are at the level they need to be because ultimately it serves a greater good for our community I'd happy to entertain any questions at this point but I wanted to give the committee an update and kind of we talked really briefly during the capital improvements review this is a little bit more detail and again we'll have even further detail as we refine those projects for 2021 thank you David I think this this is a great project it's it's you're correct we have so many parks and so many nice places for people to you know obviously live work and play and so many of our constituents enjoy that and I mean I have can constituents that'll reach out to me and tell me when when they don't like something and that we need to address it what we also need to remember is with all the parks that we have especially during COVID but the the the rentals that bring in a lot of money for the for the community also so we definitely need to make sure that we keep our parks up to date as well as our facilities for our employees so any questions from the committee all right hearing none I'm going to move to 3.10 shoreline and river erosion update presentation director Bevel thank you mr. chairman and again this is just a continue process of keeping the older persons the mayor for instance and everyone informed of Lake Michigan the high historic high water levels that we are facing and monitoring the erosion that is occurring on on Lake Michigan so wanted to give you an update with that this evening so one of the things what we've done is we've we've we have a drone that we use in our engineering department we have some some video footage this evening that I want to just share with you of the shoreline and so we're starting on the south end of Shaboy and this is that's you're looking at the wastewater treatment plant and I want you to take you know take a look at those jetties yeah because about three years ago you could see sand and you could walk between those on the beach and so the water is that high now it's right at which pause it real quick right now the water is is is right at this rock ledge okay and this this basically this revetment this the shoreline that was put in roughly some of the the main rock was reestablished in the in the late 80s the last time the lake was so high because a severe erosion the jetties actually were put in in 1930s so they've been there a long time but nevertheless the water is above its what's called its ordinary high watermark so when we have what we have heavy winds and wave action it's it's going up and beyond and onto that sandy area and a lot of that is rock that is beyond beyond the main rip wrap the main shoreline and that was mainly for an access road this is the area where we have our south side interceptor sewer so it's running all along this lake shore here in fact I'll be able to find a couple of advanced the slide again and right there there's a manhole that's for sanitary sewerage that runs along the lake shore and you can imagine in high waves they're going right over the top of that and that's one of the things that we've concerned we were entered under contract we're doing engineering and at this point the good the good news is that that lines in good condition and it can be lined doesn't have to be replaced it's still very expensive project as I mentioned you know it's 13.9 million dollar project just to do the rehab but if we had to replace that line we're talking you know 20 30 maybe 40 million dollars it would have been very expensive so one of the things that went with through this footage here is you can see we're we're holding our own the bluff even though the water during during heavy and in high winds wave action again here's another manhole and it's on its little influence peninsula right there so during high wave action you can imagine waves and it's splashing on the bottom of the slope now in this area you can see we get we get some pretty good vegetation that's a good thing vegetation helps stabilize the slope helps helps control that erosion so I'm going to advance because this is a long video I'm just skip ahead and director people while we're watching this video who owns just to help the committee understand because I I have constituents obviously in my district that live on the along the lake here and I've had constituents begging for the city to do something I've had a couple of constituents offered to assist to pay for the rip rock in front of their their property but they a lot of the homeowners don't realize you know what the city owns what the city doesn't own what they own could you explain a little bit sure and that's it's a good good question and all of this area along here is is city owned where we get the where the property ends is you typically right at the top of the slope or the pointer is going along up here so the city owns the bank the total the slope and basically to the ordinary high watermark is what is the term that we we refer to so after so if the constituent has what I'll call a landslide from erosion they lose their yard to the city correct okay now as you can see again what we're showing here this is where a substantial amount of work was done in the late 80s this they built basically an access road along for this this area so again in this area we're in good good condition advance it gets you know this is that's King Park you can see there's not much beach left in fact you can see some structures there with the rock around it here we have some substantial beach that is still remaining between Blue Harbor and King Park this is the former Pentair property we're approaching director Bevel none of that has any of that rip rock is that because it's been able to maintain the sand there there it is there's no because it's flat there's no there's no bluffs okay so it's nice and gradual and that's why and that's where you're seeing the wave action build up sand okay it because it's nice and flat it it will erodes it will erodes sand from the beach and high wave action but in gentle wave action it actually builds the beach okay so we get to blue blue Harbor area in I'm gonna pause it right here because you know this area actually had beach about three or four years ago and it was very popular with the blue Harbor patrons and as of today you can see it's all under water and we're experiencing some advanced erosion especially in this location you can see and we have other photos I'll get moving on I want to get to the north side of Sheboygan thank you this is the north side beach still no rip wrap here because it's flat in this area as you continue in advance we start to get a little bluff we have the protection of the Jetties again there was much more beach here about four or five years ago than it is today and you get into these this area by north point much more rock and again we're experiencing erosion especially right along this area here we've we've had quite a bit of damage we're looking at plans to try to replace and and strengthen these areas as well as in this area you can see it's it's not much for waves to lap up especially is in a severe wind and a storm in a condition and we've had a close broken drive a couple of times already because of that because of flooding and in dangerous conditions so we're now in the north side we're coming up and we do have some erosion up here I used to be like a lot of concrete so in this area this is that this is the north point overlook and it's right next to the water treatment plant but you can see we've lost some of the bank here not much rock it's pretty steep there was the area that prior to this it really doesn't have any infrastructure for us to protect and it was pretty much unprotected for for decades this is the water water water plant and you can see you know we're working talking with Joe true blood up here we're you know but it's it's pounding and this area is really exposed and we've had some pretty good storms and we know we have a major project coming up with the water intake but there may be some in interim or immediate needs that we're going to have to strengthen this in and get this repaired sooner than later vol rev park here at the bottom again you can see you can see branches and trees and stumps that get just thrown up on the shore now this area okay we're going north of the water filtration plant again this area again you can if you see we have good rock on on nice normal conditions where we're protected it's you know when we have those storms and we get those easterly strong winds waves five six seven eight feet they're going to crash over the top that and again we're at historic Lake Michigan Highwater mark in its hundred plus years of history of tracking Lake Michigan so as we're coming on this is this is North 3rd Street director people this video was taken May 6th sorry yeah so you can see in this area we have we have some store we have some sanitary sewer as well and you can see the rock is a little bit more substantial in this area David if I could just kind of interrupt this is Alderman Sorenson so what I guess what's the plan moving forward with a lot of this erosion that we're seeing I know I represent part of the south shore and I'm getting some communication through folks you know they they see their water levels rising and a lot of their land by their house falling into the lake so in terms of like what are we looking at are we looking at putting more riprap on certain areas are you looking at I don't know I've had suggestions about putting new jetties or repairing the jetties along those lines you guys thinking about anything like that or what right and so I the the purpose of the video first of all was just to kind of show you give you a broad overview and right now we're we're in good good condition compared to a lot of other lakeshore communities if you see yes we've had some soil loss along the lakeshore but there is really no homes that are immediately impacted in terms of danger with it coming up or their homes teetering on any edges this this area is probably one of the worst areas it's on the very north and it's not even I don't believe in the city of Sheboygan but it's on the lakeshore and you can see this is an area where there's no rock and it's just exposed so we've had some we've had some erosion in there but and as you'll see as we get into this presentation it's not all necessarily from wave action and then this last last section of the video shows this is at the Weiss subdivision on the very tip of the peninsula by the Pigeon River where it discharges into Lake Michigan this is an area where we have there's no short rock shore or anything but you can see there's quite a bit of loss but it's again wooded we've lost a tree there's no structures no buildings that are being impacted as of today it does show this there's a house here but again look at the shore look at the protection look at the vegetation there no loss of embankment whatsoever is it is it nerve-wracking I can totally understand and I and I get that again we're at historic levels so if we can get to the the presentation what this is what we're planning on doing just like the ADA plan if you imagine imagine that we have millions of dollars of projects we're gonna need to prioritize we have literally miles of shoreline to protect and the city owns much of that so what what is the city's obligation well what we're doing and what we've talked about is what we've done is with the approach we've we're taking is our first and foremost is those critical infrastructure facilities that you protection first so we talk about the sanitary sewer we talk about the water utility we talk about those public areas along broken drive private property along the embankment is going to be secondary we don't have all the resources and money to protect this entire shoreline we are looking at individuals and we can work with them and if there if a property owner so desires to do added protection we would work with them we would have easements we could coordinate with them we could help them with permitting but as a as a department it's not going to be our primary focus and again it's it's the loss that we've seen along the shoreline is is more again nothing structural it's it's it's soil loss and again it's not all contributed from wave action and we'll get into this real quick I got the slide that's right I'm controlling it so again I showed the the treatment plant and again we we for the most part even though this is historic high water it's not to the very bottom of the bank that it's to the rocks I'm going to show you this this example here and I want you to really focus look at that point that where the pointer is by the sidewalk for the King Park Pavilion this was just in four years ago little less actually you know it's September look where the water is today that says I mean we're dealing with historic and I mean historic levels this is Blue Harbor in 17 this is that area where I said oh they had a beach they had a beach here a lot of their people were using that again kind of focus on that condo I'm a little bit too far north sorry about that if I go back if you look at look at where the pool is but you can see this is the erosion that's starting to occur I mean it's it's it's that's it's out there and it's happening this is another shot of that erosion that we're looking at so looking at the north side shoreline North side Beach D Land Beach if you look look at the volleyball courts back in 16 today it's right there it's so again we've lost a tremendous amount of beach north point there's we've talked we talked about the erosion next to the the water utility this is our lift station this is a major lift station that collects a tremendous amount of sewage from the north side of the city that then we'll pump it to the south side in shabuagan again this is a critical facility where our first and foremost concern is protecting these public infrastructure facilities this is an example of a private residence that has you know some soil loss but their properties as you can see are felt far set back and and and protected we're monitoring these situations and if there's a major slough or a major concern we will clearly work with those property owners and and work with them for protective measures but as of today we're in good we're in good condition this is a shoreline at northeast park again moving forward this is 506 Grand Avenue moving north this is again that the property that I showed that has pretty good soil erosion you know there's not much vegetation on that slope is there there's not many trees not much roots to control erosion that's another factor it's not all wave action there's groundwater that is contributing 2019 was one of the wettest years again on record not only in Lake Michigan being high but also just rainwater in our can in our in Lake in in Wisconsin as well as the city of shabuagan so what do you see you see some of these areas here these this is seepage groundwater that's coming through the bank and why is that important because it can take it creates an unstable condition that can cause these slopes to erode and down on the bottom of the slope is from wave action again here's a here's a public infrastructure concern this is Eisner Avenue outfall and basically the pipe is eroded away and we need to protect that and control it because right now we have our storms who are outfall that's just eroding more and more bank the pipe's gone we need to extend that bank and provide large riprap and control and this is the last you know we had this picture before of no no shoreline protection so this is this is this is right out of the United States Army Corps of Engineers living on the lake living on the coast basically guidelines and it talks about these these scenarios that can happen with the lakefront properties we have surface water comes over to top that is a concern here's that groundwater seepage outflow we have the sluffs of and sliding and then the toll erosion we saw some of those examples in the pictures this is a cross section of basically if you took took a knife and sliced it like a piece of cake this is where we have groundwater flow that can that causes those seepage and that seepage ends up sloughing the the bank as well as the lake the wave action from the lake this is just another example again this shows where if you keep vegetation you keep roots it helps stabilize that bank and I understand living on the lake you want to have a view but you also need to balance that with vegetation and maintaining that structural integrity lastly this is just another basic example of how we can manage some of this and vertical wells intercept that groundwater flow putting in trenches diverting that water that seepage as well as the riprap at the bottom of the slope to stabilize but these are expensive solutions this isn't stuff that we can just implement overnight we're talking millions of dollars of infrastructure so I the main thing is I wanted to show with this presentation tonight that we are experiencing historic high water levels but yet we're in pretty good condition we're in pretty good shape I'm not saying it's great we're gonna have some damage and we've experienced some damage but I wanted to to at least give you as a committee and as well as the older persons is that we need to prioritize how we address the public's concern and I understand private property interests and their concern of protecting their their property their their shoreline their their embankment but at the same time we need to prioritize and be good stewards of the money that we have as taxpayers and how we manage that for the city in terms of protecting that infrastructure as I demonstrated in the slides using that as our first and foremost priority but working with those property owners on an individual basis and working with them of their concerns and trying to come up with solutions ultimately to reassure them and in some points in some cases try to help mitigate or protect their their embankment if they're experiencing more loss so I know it's a lot to throw at you I probably was a little fast but it's a tremendous problem that I don't see it's going to be here for several years as fast as the water went up I don't see it going down as fast as it it came up it's going to be around and we're going to be facing this dilemma for some many years to come thank you director people just to add a few comments of my own I know I've had constituents that have called me and had me walk the banks with them in in desperation of asking what what can the city do and in talking with them the majority of the people that I I've dealt with that live on the lake that have called me and had become they've been there for a long time they've lived in these homes prior to the 80s so they remember when the water was low when the water was high and you know for them it's it was more of the ability to vent and communicate that hey please help us and they understood that you know the money's not there and a couple of them even said hey could we could we work with the city and somehow figure out how to invest in the rip wrap and stuff like that so maybe that's something that we need to look at as a city and by all means I think we would we would entertain that if we have property owners that are willing to work and willing to help we would work with them and either through helping with permitting and access and how do we coordinate that we're here that we're here to serve and we're here to help and we we the point I'm trying to make is I'm not we're not we're not turning a blind eye to their concerns because we we are concerned and but what we're trying to demonstrate is that we're at a point yet where I it's good to listen to the concerns but we want to also reassure that we're not at a point where this is catastrophic and we can do some things in the meantime to prevent that and if we can work together by all means we want we support that and we we would welcome that right and the constituents that I talked with also identified the fact that these problems are not just Sheboygan Sheboygan County it's everybody along you know the lakefront basically so you hear about Milwaukee you hear about Chicago so I guess the other question I would ask that you know the group is if there are grants or state or federal money that you know our community could get a hold of or apply for I would I would ask that we try and we will and we in fact we are as of we're looking at for instance looking at that south side interceptor we're looking at federal grants to tap into that program and in a lot of cases that's where the money will go it will go to protect the public infrastructure first right that's what their first priority is but that also then will help us maybe shift the money if we save on getting grants for our own projects that might free up some money then to apply to some areas of concern that may be fronting residential properties right perfect any questions from the committee make a comment yes please I just wanted to say thank you David for that drone footage I think that was really helpful to have that perspective of the entire shoreline and then I just thought it was a good opportunity just to mention because you talked about the importance of trees and established root systems to support the shoreline and last year I was really surprised and disappointed to see that we removed a huge percentage of the woody species down by king park king park is in my neighborhood I take my kids there often and I wasn't aware that it was going to happen so it was quite surprising to me and first thing one of the first things that came to mind was erosion issues so I just I hope that we're mindful in the future when we make those kind of decisions and I would hope that it might come to the DPW committee for discussion director bevel uh in reference to what um alder philips is referencing isn't that wasn't that uh done by a an actual group in taking out some of the evasive species and aren't they coming back to actually plant um species that is actually native to our area right and and we did take out some woody around around king park but there's also a beach nourishment plan as well as dune grasses because of the topography there is flat we wanted to increase the dune grasses in this area which prior to the high lake level was really taking off and and as you can see you know unfortunately now it's gone but I but I'll have this available if you go north of king park you can see where the the natural uh succession of dune grasses was was really starting to take take hold in this area so but but we I I I appreciate the feedback from from alder philips and we'll continue to to address those concerns and and again you're right some of them were were evasive and some were ash and just not in good condition but again it was part of establishing some of the dune grasses that that we were able to establish thank you I know um just expanding a little bit on the uh on the erosion situation several of the constituents that had brought it to my attention that complained about the erosion also had cut down trees along the lake so they had a better view so when I pointed that out and then they would you know debate me on the fact that they planted something but they were like small flowers and small small bushes it's like the what they don't realize is that a tree's roots and and um alder philips can jump in if I say this wrong but typically a root system is as big above or below as as the tree is above kind of thing so there a tree holds a lot more dirt than a a bush right and and I think and again I think it's one of these situations that for years it wasn't an issue because the lake was down and right there's a kind of out you know it's it's that cyclical uh cycle cycle that we're we're faced with and it's like flood control you know we don't have any problems it's you know it's dry and we're good and then all of a sudden the flood comes along what are you going to do we got to do all this work and then it goes away and people start forgetting and um it comes back but you're right I think there's there's a there's a way mean where we can encourage you know trees and and stabilization but yet still allow for beautiful vistas and views of the lake thank you director any additional questions from the committee thank you again director bevel for the presentation I'll move on to 4.1 next meeting uh is we're we're scheduling it is May 26 so hopefully everybody can make that if you can't make it please let uh Dawn and myself know and uh moving into 5.1 looking for listening for a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn motion to adjourn market savaglio district 5 thank you for that motion and support any additional questions hearing none alder decker aye alder phillips aye alder savaglio phillips g okay alder sorenson aye and chair votes aye we are adjourned thank you