 Then 70 and 71, when we get that far you won't be confused. That's all. Thank you, Pat. The other thing I wanted to recognize our fire department, residential fire safety institute, 2001 life safety achievement award. In recognition of its work to keep its community free of death from fire in the year 2001. And it's award this year. Again, accolades to our fire department. We have an excellent fire department in the city of Sheboygan. This goes to show it. I don't see anyone here this evening for the fire department. But again, congratulations on a job. Well done, fireman. We'll put that up somewhere in city hall. Okay. Okay, with that, we'll start the meeting. Notice of the 14th regular meeting of the Common Council. Pat, would you call the roll, please? Bowman? Here. Deberg? Here. Eberg? Here. Doyle? Excuse me. Manny? Here. Moody? Here. Perez? Here. Devin Akron? Here. Excuse me. Don's wife is in hospital, Terry and Peggy. I hope everything is going to go all right and let us know. Devin Akron? Here. Vanderweel? Here. Excuse me. Wongerman? Here. Warner? Here. Weninger? Here. Thirteen present. Alderman Van Akron. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the minutes of the previous meeting be accepted and adopted as entered on the record. Moved in second at the minutes of the last Council meeting be second and adopted and seconded for record. Under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. Alderman Perez, would you lead us in a pledge, please? In the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, in your visible, with liberty and justice for all. We have two hearings this evening. And after I read both of them, if you'd like to speak on hearings, please step up the microphone and give us your name and address. The first one is proposed assessment for replacement of lead and or galvanized iron water laterals in South 13th Street from Pennsylvania Avenue to approximately 200 feet south. Number two, proposed assessment for replacement of lead and or galvanized iron water laterals in South Commerce Street from Pennsylvania Avenue to Indiana Avenue. Any interested persons wishing to be heard on any one of the hearings. Sir, could you state your name and address, please? My name is James Schnurff. I live at 5337 Heatherfield Court, Sheboygan. I'm sorry. Spell your last name, please. Could you spell your last name, sir? S-C-H-N-U-R. And your street again was 5337 Heatherfield Court. Heatherfield? Heather, Heather, Heatherfield. Never heard of it. And you'll be speaking on number two? Pardon? You're going to be speaking on number two, I believe? Yeah, yeah. His first name was James. James. Correct. Okay. Okay, they put a water main in. Jason's are building at 1030 Saltine Street, the old Holley's Bar. I don't have any questions on the malt that they charged me but they buried the water main with concrete before letting me know for me to get a plumber to put the water main into the building. They put a one inch water main in up to the shutoff box and five more feet we could have got a plumber to drill a hole through the foundation wall and run a copper pipe and put a new water meter in the inside because right now we've got half inch leaded pipes going into the building. And they said that it requires copper pipes. So if we require the copper pipe, they should have notified us so that we can get a plumber to put it in. It's cross-through from Kepzels and there's a half a dozen plumbers an hour pulling in and out of there that I know that we could have pulled the permit real quick and brought the copper pipe in. They sent me a bill for $2,000 and what I'll tell me about it, they said everything's going to be fine, open up their doors. In case we got to get into the building, we opened up the doors when they come into the building and I left. Next day I come back, the hole's buried, so I assume it's done. I think the day later they pour concrete on top of it when they pour it to the street and I went in the basement and I looked down there and I noticed the old pipes were still coming in the wall. So I said, well, that's a waste, you know. A couple weeks later I get a bill for $2,000. So I figured if I got to pay it a $1935 they should have got me some copper pipes inside the building or let me at least know when the hole's there for me to get a plumber there ahead of time so my plumber can bring the copper pipe five feet into the building which would have been a matter of $250 for me to pay a plumber. Now if I got to do it, it's probably going to cost $2,000 because I got to dig it up. You got six inches of concrete on the sidewalk and you got a water shut off box right there. When they took up the first hunk of concrete they actually destroyed the water shut off box so they had to put a new one in. So it's probably going to happen to us again. And, you know, it's just going to be a big headache now. You got six inches of concrete, you got to dig it up and then they compacted it. They halfway knocked on the building while they're doing it because they used a big back hole and they banged the ground, you know, to break up the concrete and I think every building on the block must have half fell down because their old buildings are a set of jackhammer and a concrete. They used a back hole and it looked like the guy killed himself every time he bounced in the machine, you know. So he was definitely doing damage to the buildings. I got tossed all over the basement, mortar falling out of the foundation, cracks all over the outside of the brick building, you know. I just think they did it in a poor workmanship like manner. They should have contacted me and they should have let me know that the water main was coming in that day so I could have got a plumber. That's my big issue on that. You know, they sent me a bill for $1935. It's like they took a pot of gold, put it at six feet on the ground and buried it with six inches of concrete. All right. Thank you. And if they want me to pay the money, I'll pay the money but I want them to dig up the sidewalk and let me get at the water shot off box so we can pay our plumber to bring the copper in. I'm not asking them to run my copper pipe in the building. I'm just letting them know that they can dig it up again the way it should have been. Let me know about it so I can bring my copper pipe in. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to be heard? Is there anyone else wishing to be heard? All right. Move that the hearings be closed. Moved and seconded, hearing is be closed under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. Steve? The first appointments are to the special committee on pet fancier regulations. All in favor of person Van de Wiel, Bowman, Peter Fullerton, Melanie Nick, and Nicole Linnow signed by the mayor. That can be confirmed. Is that the only one? Yeah. I move that the mayor's appointments be confirmed. Moved and seconded. Appointments be confirmed under discussion. Hearing none, all in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. And another appointment dated today's date by submit the following appointment for your consideration. Paulette enters to the position of director of city development for a five-year term, commencing November 4 and terminating November 3, 2007 signed by the mayor. That will lay over. Hope we form that? No one. Alderman Schultz. Thank you, your honor. An Alderman must file a notice of non-candidacy with the clerk's office by 5 p.m. Friday, December 27 or any time prior to that date. Nomination papers can be taken out December 1 and must be back in the clerk's office by the first Tuesday in January. The wait until December 27 to announce that would not be right as this does not provide sufficient time for others who may be interested if they knew the position was going to be vacant to make a decision and get nomination signatures. For that reason, I am announcing this evening that I will not be a candidate for reelection next Council year 2003-2004. With making that decision and announcing it now, I hope it gives everyone time to reflect and consider their time and talents and decide if they want to give back to their community and be a part of the decision-making process shaping the future of Sheboygan for their children and other residents of our fine city. I came on a Council midterm, July 16, 1990 when Alderman Pat Monaghan moved out of the district. I want to thank the residents of the Fifth District for having given me the opportunity to serve them since then. Six times they have reelected me. For that, I am grateful and appreciative. I have enjoyed my time on the Council. It has been tremendously rewarding experience and that I have had the opportunity to be a part of the decision-making process, shaping and giving direction to our city for 12 plus years. In 1997-98, I was Council President. In my speech to the Council at that time, I said downtowns were becoming cultural centers rather than commercial centers. I think we see that today with the Sheboygan Theater or the Wild Center for Performing Arts, as it is known, the Children's Museum, the expansion of the Kohler Arts Center, the library, all tremendous improvements and attractions to our downtown. The Sheboygan Marina and Harbor Center that I enthusiastically supported from the beginning has been an attraction encouraging economic development in this area. I have served under two mayors, Mayor Schneider and you Mayor Schramm. I want to thank both of you for having given me the privilege and opportunity to serve on every committee that we have. At one time or another, during these 12 years, I have been chairman of every committee except Public Works. I look back on these 12 years with great satisfaction that I gave it my best efforts and I believe most of the time it was recognized and appreciated. I want to thank all the department heads and their staffs, every one of them for the cooperation and assistance they have given me. Everyone came through 100% every time I asked for information or assistance. Although I am very grateful that they have given me the privilege and opportunity to serve on every committee that I have served. I want to thank all the department heads and their staffs, every one of them for the cooperation and assistance they have given me. I want to thank all the department heads and their staffs, every one of them for the cooperation and assistance they have given me. Although I am announcing this evening that I will not be a candidate for re-election in April, I can assure you I will continue to serve until then and be as active as I have been in the past to improve the quality of life for the residents of the Fifth District and the City of Sheboygan. Thank you. Thank you Alderman Schultz. Committee reports be accepted and adopted. All resolutions, general ordinances and substitute general ordinances be put upon their passage. Moved and seconded that all our roles be accepted and filed. All our C's be adopted. All resolutions, ordinances, substitute ordinances be put upon their passage. That's 14-1 through 14-39. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, would you call the roll please? D-Berg. E-Berg. Mani. Moody. Perez. Portz. Schultz. Steven Akron. Wonderman. Warner. Weninger. Bowman. Thirteen ayes. Motion carried. 14-40 and 41 to be referred. 14-42 will hold for 14-61. 14-43 through 49 to be referred. 14-50 would like to send that to seller in grievance. Alderman Schultz. Thank you, your honor. If you don't mind, I'd like to address that. October 2nd, the strategic fiscal plan committee met. The agenda included two items. One was to review the council budget policy formulation survey. Another one was discussion recommendations for the 2003 budget. We're reading again October 24th. One of the agenda items is the 2003 budget review. I am a little disappointed that if they did review the council budget policy formation survey, there have been no recommendations from the committee. The survey committee, the survey summary indicates nine respondents agreed to support a hiring freeze. So it seems like a given that this resolution will be approved. This scares me. The resolution provides for exceptions, but as we have seen in the past, the council is reluctant to allow exceptions. The economic development manager was not hired yet when the city planner retired. The city planner position was advertised, but the council would not approve hiring or filling a position. Until later. I believe that department and the city were harmed by not filling the position expediently. Some positions simply cannot be left vacant. City development is a very crucial department. That department is still in transition. A person has been hired to replace the city planner, but the city planner would not recognize him if I bumped into him. We need high-profile people in those positions, movers and shakers. The police and fire departments will work with other, the police and fire departments will work other employees over time to cover vacant positions because they cannot work shorthanded, and we've seen that. Their overtime budgets are extremely high. Small departments are hurt more by a hiring freeze than larger departments around. Rather than a hiring freeze, we need a policy to review all vacant positions to determine if the position is needed. Can it be part-time? Can one or more other employees pick up the job duties? Before we institute another hiring freeze, I think we need to look at how we manage people, and I've said this before many times. Do we need the level of management that we have? Can departments be reorganized? For instance, public works. Do we need representatives, deputy director and a director? Do we need three deputy chiefs in the fire department along with the rest of the management staff? Does a police department need a chief, two deputy chiefs, captains, and the rest of their management staff? I think there are many things we can do to become more efficient and reduce cost before instituting a hiring freeze. To institute a hiring freeze without doing anything else to improve efficiency only hurts the city, departments, and causes stress for employees. These questions make management and department heads uncomfortable, but change is coming. Change will have to be made. Everyone has to approach his or her job with a good attitude when something needs to be done saying I cannot do that because it is not in my job description. It's just not acceptable, and it has been said. Management and employees will have to talk to each other, and if something needs to be done, ask how to do that. I am disappointed that RO 260403 was accepted and filed rather than sent to strategic fiscal plan committee. This is the tabulated results of the council budget formulation survey and a summary of those responses. If it had been sent to them, I think they would have been more inclined to address the survey results and make some recommendations. As it is, we created the survey, $13 or $15 took the time to complete it, and my cuts tabulated the results and created a summary of the survey responses, then it was put in the consent agenda and filed end of discussion. Was all of this an exercise in futility? Thank you. Alderman Venakram. Just as a quick comment, we are discussing that strategic meeting that he's upset about that we didn't get a recommendation, happened to be canceled, and that's why there was no comment. It is scheduled for the 24th. So these things are being discussed as strategic and the reason why you haven't heard anything is because the last meeting was canceled. Thank you, Alderman Venakram. So that one will go to Salom Grievance. 1451 will lie over. 1452 through 58 to be referred along with 59 and 60. 1461 with 1442 by finance, recommending approving amendment 2 to tid number 10. Alderman Venakram. I would move that the committee report be accepted and adopted. It's moved in a second that committee report be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion. Eberg. Manny. Moody. Perez. Ports. Schultz. Stephan. Teven Akron. Ongelman. Warner. Wieninger. Baumann. D. Berg. Thirteen-Eyes. Motion carried. 1462 and 1463 will lie over. 1464 through 67 to be referred. Matters laid over. 1336 and 1334 in our role by the city planning commission recommending sale of former casket site 1354 by Alderman Warner authorizing the sale of the former Sheboygan casket site. Alderman Warner. Thank you, Your Honor. I make a motion. We accept and file the RO and we pass the resolution. Moved in a second. We accept and file the RO and pass the resolution under discussion. Under discussion, Your Honor, Martin's Hardware Group Operators of Trilling Hardware wish to expand their business and this will have a positive impact on the city. We will receive $10,000 for the property and the city's tax base will be increased. Trilling is one of the city's oldest businesses at over 150 years of age. The plan commission unanimously voted for this sale after considering the other two offers and the plan commission is recommending this sale. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Warner. I agree with you. They will make a good cornerstone store there for the redevelopment of Michigan Avenue in 2005 and we are planning on doing. We will fit into that very nicely. Hopefully everything goes well. There is no other discussion. Pat, would you call the roll? Manny. Hi. Moody. Hi. Perez. Hi. Portz. Hi. Schultz. Hi. Stephan. Hi. Steven Akron. Hi. Longerman. Hi. Warner. Hi. Wenninger. Hi. Kevin along with 1353 and are all by the city plan commission recommending a sale of two parcels of city land and coal spring subdivision.