 It should have it. Let me know if it didn't take, but I did give it to you. Hi! Oh, hi! Yeah, we're just doing our thing here, everyone, live on the videos. Lamar's here, Patrick's here. I just gave Roger control of the world. So if anything goes wrong in the next 40 minutes... You can blame Roger, although, you know, he dodged Brexit by just a couple of weeks, so he's not responsible for that. But if any other countries leave the EU in the next 40 minutes... Yeah, how convenient, Patrick, for you to step out. Were you in Sweden or somewhere? You got out just a time? I'm in Finland. Right now I'm in Finland. So you're in the Eurozone, but not the European Union in Finland? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Finland joined the European Union the second time. Oh, it is. Who is it? Norway that's not... Yeah, Norway. Oh, okay. Sorry. My apologies to Finland for confusing them with Norway. I think that's fine. Basically, what you have to remember about Finland is that everything they do is because of Russia, everything. Well, because they're attached to Russia. Like, it's... At the hip, yeah. Yeah, they don't have a big body of water slicing up between them and Russia. So the moment they had like a couple of years where Russia was in disarray, they were like, ah, quick, quick, quick! Hi, EU! Hi, you guys. It's Scandinavian countries in still. Nice to see you guys. Remember us? Yeah. So. What if the U.S.... No, I'm just not... Join the EU. Why even bother? No, I was just being silly, and then I realized like people get really weird about... Yeah, yeah. No, or, or, or the EU could become the 52nd state of the... People made that about the UK. Like, let's admit a UK as a state. What if they admitted the EU as a state? Aha! There you go. That would be interesting. That won't get anyone upset talking about that. I could tell you one thing. We wouldn't elect Trump. That is for sure. Well, but you'd only have so many... I wonder how many electoral votes you'd have. That's true. Well, let's say with the eurozone, 450 million people. Yeah. I mean, you'd have to recalculate the whole thing though, because there's only 435 electoral votes. They have to be divided by population. But everybody gets at least three. Is it by population? Yeah. And everybody gets three. There's a minimum. Because you get one for your senators and one for your representatives. So you always get three. And then you get more based on population if you have a higher population. How many people in the U.S.? That's a lot for... I need to realize... There is 533. Not 433. 326. 326 million people. Okay. So this is born in Europe Union. Wow. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. I always assumed we just had some of the most people. Besides the really big countries. We're the third largest country in the world in terms of population and geographic size. Got it. All right. Let's get this party started, where we will not be talking about the Electoral College, despite my better judgment. We'll talk about college students playing a game. Yeah, we will. That's great. Maybe some of them attend the Electoral College? Probably. Maybe they do. Not that kind of college. But maybe they do. Maybe they're Electoral... Electorors. All right. Here we go. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 12, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Patrick Meija, as he does most Tuesdays. How are you, sir? I'm okay. I'm okay. Do you know why I'm not excellent? Why are you not excellent? Yeah. Tell me. Because I'm not currently testing the new character on Overwatch that was just released. And the only thing I would forgo trying that new character in the game that I love is to do DTNS. It's the only reason I would. My gosh. We're going to make you do the show on the launch of World of Warcraft League of Legion. Legion. Yeah. League of Legion. League of Legion. Later, though. Let's not think about that now. Yeah. So we really, really appreciate Patrick's loyalty. Also joining us and not out collecting Pokemons is Lamar Wilson from youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson. How are you, sir? I'm good. First of all, you sound like an old aunt saying Pokemons. And Patrick, it's all about Soldier 76. Well, I like, let's talk about tech use instead. I don't know if Patrick takes off with that one. I know. I know. I know. I know he has opinions. There's a whole podcast about that. Well, later this month, Google's going to roll out Google Play Family Library, which lets up to six people share apps, videos and books in one Google Play account. Now, some more top stories. Google has reached an agreement with UK Carrier 3 to join Sprint, T-Mobile and US Cellular as the network's powering Project FI. That's their MVNO wireless service, their cell phone service. Project FI, because of this partnership, will now offer the fastest coverage available when its subscribers travel internationally. Previously, when you traveled internationally, you got the same data that you would get, but it was down to 2G, which was good enough for email and maps. Now you'll get, like, if they've got LTE where you are at, you're going to get LTE. And the price is not going up right now. Project FI is $20 a month for unlimited calls and texts, $10 a month per gigabyte of data that you use. If you use more, they just charge you $10. There's no overage fees. They just knock you up to the next round. And they give you refunds for unused amounts. Service only works with select Android phones now. But this morning, fellows, because I am headed off to Japan and Korea at the end of August, I immediately signed up for Project FI and plugged in my Nexus 5X to get ready to have that so I could get the fastest internet when I'm traveling. So you get 2G internationally in any country? Well, clearly that has 2G, but they have deals with everyone to get 2G everywhere? They had that... No, that was the old way, Patrick. Right, right. Now you get whatever they have. In the UK. If they have 3G, though, you get 3G. If they have LTE, you get LTE. Right, but just in the UK, I'm thinking about... No, internationally, everywhere. How? Because they signed a bunch of other roaming agreements, too. So 3 provides them coverage in Europe beyond just the UK, but they also worked out deals with other carriers for roaming agreements. I might want a subscription to that, too. You see why I signed up. No, but I might become an Android user occasionally if that's a nightmare. The roaming fees are still a nightmare, so that might become useful. All right, moving on. Oculus announced it has filed all its pre-orders and now can ship new rifts within 2-4 business days. Amazing! It's a revolution. It's in stock at Amazon and coming to Microsoft and Best Buy as well. No news on the Oculus Touch controller, though, other than it is still expected this year. Oculus also announced its developer conference, Oculus Connect, will take place October 5th through 7th in San Jose, California. San Jose, I should say. Application, Tom, you were going to correct me on the pronunciation, weren't you? Just keep going, man. It's all good. Applications for the conference will open August 2nd at OculusConnect.com. No, yeah, so this is cool. Oculus, as you sort of pointed out, has actually filled its orders. So HTC and Oculus are on the even playing ground now. You can order something from them and you will get it in a timely fashion. Yeah, and the great part is when you get your Oculus like me, you set it up that one day, get excited, and then it sits there and collects a dose for the next month. I hate to say it. I'm glad you said that because I feel like I'm just a bad technology user because I don't use them as much as I should. I bought them merely to review them and be able to say this is how they work, which I have fulfilled, but I haven't been drawn back into them. Do you see the box behind me? That is literally my HTC Vive. It's been sitting there a month. I have not unboxed it yet because I wasn't excited about the riffs, so I'm like, I don't know. The Vive is fun though because you're standing up and moving around. Okay, that sounds fun. You should definitely check out Patrick's episode with Aaron Carson last week because they go through all of the comparisons of these. And basically, the Vive is the one that she would recommend between the rift and the Vive. But what's really interesting to me is the Connect conference is going to take place early October. That's barely a week before the PlayStation VR is released. So I think it might get people talking about VR again a little bit and then the PlayStation VR is released. It's a cheaper, more accessible option. I mean, I'm just looking for reasons to... Yeah, if they were to come out with the controller during the conference, which is the October 5th through the 7th, that would beat the PlayStation VR to the market, which is coming out October 13th. I think, yeah. More VR discussions coming in the future. Is it illegal in the United States to share your Netflix password now? You will see headlines telling you that. You'll even see whole articles arguing that, and they're not totally without basis on July 5th, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that after leaving executive search firm, Corn Fairy, a man named David Nozzle violated the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which prevents unauthorized access of computers, because he asked an employee who was still at the firm he had left to give him her user ID and password so he could access records from the company. Now, the majority opinion stated we are ruling that he did violate the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and, quote, this appeal is not about password sharing. They dismissed the concerns about that as hypotheticals about the dire consequences of criminalizing password sharing. They said that's not what this case is about. This is about this particular man doing this in this particular case. However, one of the judges dissented and wrote, this case is about password sharing. Hence the confusion. He said that this would make millions into unwitting federal criminals. So in the end, what the law does is leave the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act up for interpretation in the subject of future litigation, just like it was before this case. It really doesn't mean people are going to come and prosecute you for sharing your Netflix password, nor does it eliminate the confusion of whether they could someday in some particular case. If they come after my grandmother for giving me my HBO Go account, I would be very upset because she doesn't use it. So that's how you might be able to... Well, they would come after you for getting it, for accessing it because it's not your account. Right? So your grandma should be... So her baby would go to jail. Yeah, her grandbaby. Well, and that's the problem with the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. It's worded so broadly. We've talked about many other objections from researchers about this as seemingly innocuous, as violating of terms of service by sharing a password that you're not supposed to, a federal crime. And that's not right. But this case, even though they said, well, we're going to say that sharing the password is illegal, tried to say, but only because he was a former employee of this firm trying to access proprietary materials which he wasn't supposed to access. But at the same point, they ruled that the sharing of the password was illegal. So researchers could look at this, but it isn't clear. It's still very up in the air. It's definitely the broad way it's written is a concern and has been a concern. So that doesn't change. But beyond that, it really seems sort of nitpicky to take this case and even if it is about the password sharing, trying to apply it to things like Netflix. This is a purely theoretical intellectual exercise kind of. There's no reason or basis or anything for anyone to come and prosecute you for sharing your Netflix. Netflix has said Netflix terms of service say you can't share the password, but Reed Hastings has said he doesn't really mind that much. So yeah, Netflix isn't going to go out and prosecute you, but maybe HBO will. Maybe MLB.TV will. Maybe somebody else will and they'll be able to rely on this as a precedent. Okay, fair enough. Well, Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, no, I'll say oh boy to this next story. Go ahead. All right. The U.S. Federal Trade Commission has settled with Warner Brothers over claims the company paid YouTube influencers for video game coverage without disclosing the payments to viewers. For example, PewDiePie was paid to cover Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor. Warner Bros. has had required one tweet or Facebook post and videos that could not show the game in a negative light. Warner Brothers must not fail to disclose similar deals in the future. So it's definitely a slap on the wrist here. They're not getting fined as far as I can tell. But they are being embarrassed in public in that they're saying hey, you paid these people to say positive things about your game and you didn't admit that you were paying them. The bigger concern though is on the influencers' sides in my opinion though, isn't it? Well, Lamar, yeah, I'm curious what you think of that. This is close to hard because I'm an influencer and I do brand deals very similar to this. I just have to say you're right. Warner Brothers is the one that gets slapped, but it's the influencers that shows not to disclose to hide it from their audiences and not only didn't put the information in the description but all they had to do was verbally say this video is sponsored by Warner Brothers. Thank you so much for providing the game or financial support. I do a lot of brand deals. If you're honest, the audience in general doesn't give you any crap about it. I have done several over the last year and I could barely find a comment that says sell out whatever because I'm honest about it. I just say hey, this is sponsored. Thanks so much. This is helping me do my job a little better by getting some extra money. I never understand why, especially big YouTubers, why they feel like they have to hide that they're getting paid. The audience isn't stupid. They know you get paid to do this just say it. Just say it that you're getting paid. I think there are a couple of things. A lot of those YouTubers, it's a lot in the video game industry and as many people know I used to work for Blizzard Entertainment and we did do some sponsorship deals which to my knowledge all of them were clearly labeled as part in partnership with or whatever but a lot of the influencers we worked with in France in particular were initially I mean in France and other countries I shouldn't single out France. They were reluctant because I think they were a lot younger and their audiences were really young and they felt like the trust would be breached which is ironic because they were actively betraying the trust by not saying it but they felt like this is the kind of thing it would be difficult for them to recover from and it would sort of that kind of relationship wasn't jiving with the sort of image they were trying to project and I think it does come from the fact that it was younger viewers. Now again another ironic aspect was that it seems most people in the audiences when asked or when they realized because these stories have been coming up more and more recently they said that they not only did they not care but they didn't understand what the big deal was and they were fine with them getting paid so I think it was a big growing up moment for the entire industry. It's very important that these things are made clear in the future and hopefully this will help bring that forward. Yeah, I mean as long as it's not a situation where like this Shadow of Mordor if Pewdiepie previously said he hated the game, he couldn't stand that this is the worst franchise that all of a sudden he's like hey guys we're going to play Shadow of Mordor today it's the best game that kind of scenario, yeah the audience is going to tear you a new one for that but you could be balanced and say hey talk about the positives of the game the audience is smart, a lot of them are young but they're smart and they understand how this works I don't buy the theory now presently that they don't understand how the brand deals work because that's why it just confuses me why to this day there's still people who are hiding this I don't think it's happening now, I think the big issues were three, oh maybe it is it's happening a lot in the tech channels a lot of them do not disclose that they're either getting paid or got it free and it doesn't matter like just say hey so so send me this free, cool the audience will actually like man that's cool they'll be a little jealous and like hey the guy I watch gets stuff free it's just how you play the game with the audience that's all, well it's the law even more than how you play the game I think that's what's interesting here by the way is that yes Patrick is right the youtuber creators themselves should make this very clear and many of them did put it in show more on the youtube description some of them didn't even do that which Warner Brothers had asked them to do but it is the responsibility of the sponsor to enforce that and to say no we really need you to do this because we're liable to the FTC for it and I know that the Nintendo is very hard on that, they're overly ain't owned about that now which is good, they don't want to get fined and my wife works for youtube researchers from the University of California Berkeley and Georgetown University have developed voice commands that cannot be heard by humans but can be understood by phones the commands are delivered in a low pitch and hidden in background noise that will stop you as a human from being able to distinguish it but work well with the noise canceling algorithms of say a Google or a Siri and in fact in their intent, in their test Google's assistant was the best at picking these things out of the noise which meant that they could fool it versus Siri it depends on the room, the quality of the speaker the distance between the speaker and the phone so even though they were able to do it that doesn't mean it would be easy to deploy out into the world however it's significant that they can do it at all and the research will be presented at the Useniks security symposium in August that was super interesting if you go watch the video basically you can hear what the instructions sound like and as it's mentioned in the article it's what is it BBC it basically sounds like a Dalek it's very frightening and very scary type of speech, deformed speech and they also mentioned that this could be used as an attack by embedding it in a YouTube video for example that you run in the background and it just calls on your phones while you're watching for it but you're not even yes that was good yeah not bad but yeah it's kind of I think it's still kind of theoretical, again super interesting I think the solution to this and to many many other issues that we have with this these virtual assistants that many people forget to mention when we're talking about these problems is adapt the recognition of the keyword to the voice of the owner and that's something I believe Apple has started doing with Siri I'm sure everyone's working on it and that would fix so many of all of these problems including your phone going off when someone says the keyword in a podcast yeah that and in the meantime until they develop that you should also have the companies that make these give you the option to put them behind authentication and say Siri won't go off Google won't go off until I have used my thumb print or put in my password so that if the phone's just sitting there idle it can't be activated I know that that makes it less useful and Patrick's solution is the most elegant solution but until we get to that one this is one that could be implemented today and all of that said the researchers are at pains to point out like no we don't think people could do this yet in the wild there's just too many variables it's too hard to get the perfect situation but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start thinking about it and it's absolutely an important type of research that we didn't really think about that kind of because it's really on the verge between what a human can understand and what a computer can understand and who knows how in what ways this could be expanded in the future so a couple more top stories before we get to our main topic of Pokemon Go ZD Nets married Joe Foley reports Microsoft announced it'll make Windows 10 Enterprise E3 available as a subscription for $7 per user per month that's its lower end enterprise they will eventually make E5 available as a subscription as well per device licensing will also continue to be available if you don't want to subscribe Microsoft also announced Surface as a service allowing businesses to lease surface devices along with Office 365 and Windows 10 new program will launch initially with a company called also a European Cloud Solutions provider but it will be eventually offered by more companies as well just significant to see Microsoft taking those steps as we expect to become a provider of services and a subscription provider versus a per unit Windows sales makes all of our money provider everything as a service basically that's the motto for everyone now Pokemon as a service and Magic Leap chief executive Ronnie Abavitz told an audience at the Fortune Magazine conference in Aspen that Magic Leap has hired 600 employees and is close to starting production of its first mixed reality products Abavitz also said Magic Leap will open a developer lab in the San Francisco area he said consumer applications will come first but the company is already investigating business and medical uses so to be clear Magic Leap announced today it's still close to doing something publicly but it isn't yet but they love they love what those Pokemon people are doing and that's great stuff but we don't have anything both Magic Leap and HoloLens today have stories where they're like our thing would be great for Pokemon Go because augmented reality is what we've been doing for a long time and when our product finally becomes commercially available it's going to be awesome for that yeah so I'm done with Magic Leap pre announcement just get something or stop talking that's it hey thanks to everybody who supported us in the subreddit by submitting a story or voting on stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com special thanks to Loki Robert, another Jay Martin the Coralie, Martin Rojas McWin UXIT Jonzee776, Abatwela Kondilse and more you can be one of those too just head to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and join on in that's a look at the top stories now we mentioned yesterday how on iOS particularly it seemed like you were giving Google full permission or I'm sorry giving Niantic full permission to access your Google account if you chose to login with a Google account and that creating a Pokemon Trainer account was almost impossible because the servers were so swamped so you had to make a choice between letting Pokemon have the chance to read your email and look at your Google Docs or not playing Pokemon Go Niantic Labs came out with a statement that said that was never our intention to get full access to Google accounts it was a bug the company says it hasn't used its permission it promises it hasn't accessed anything beyond basic profile information and the app has now been updated so that it will only ask for access to user ID and email address I confirmed this I did it myself I updated the app I changed my permissions now my security settings at Google say Pokemon Go only has access to basic profile information so you should download that update sign out, sign back in and you should be able to change those permissions the bug appeared to only affect iOS users though Android users did see a long list of permissions beyond just profile information so I'm curious if they're going to fix that as well neither company has addressed why Google system would allow full access to any app that had not notified the user of the request so before we go into the wider Pokemon Go situation I feel like Niantic did the right thing in fixing this but I still want to know why this happened at all in the first place yeah I was pretty terrified it's probably not the right word I was definitely concerned about this because I just use my regular Gmail account that happens to be hooked into my YouTube that happens to be hooked into my AdSense where I make a living and I'm just picturing once I read about this a big data dump just happening who's to say that it's just a one big dump didn't happen of a thousand millions of people Google says it has not happened but in theory it could have and I just thought it was incredibly irresponsible on both parties Google should never have allowed that kind of access and Niantic shouldn't have asked for it and I think the most upsetting part is that because they love the Pokemon game just glossed over the security part that's the part that kind of bothered me about users we still have a long way to go to talk about security with normal people so yeah I agree with the second part definitely people just giving access just because they want to play Pokemon it didn't ask you in many cases and that's the part that really upsets me is how is it that an app can get those permissions when an actual pop-up never said is it okay to give these permissions to Google that's bad implementation on Google's part too Niantic yeah that's true and maybe let's count our blessings that it happened with apparently a benevolent team like this and probably I wouldn't be surprised that if Google changes the way they do these things I'm wondering if it was in the code to request that the access if it was like a variable one was asking for name and variable if you set it to two it was asking for everything so maybe someone did it it's actually really easy when developing an app to ask for more permissions than you need but it still should ask right it still should come up with that page and did not come up for a lot of people I swear I saw it when I first logged in but I removed access and then signed in again and I was able to sign in without ever seeing anything saying do you want to give it full access do you think this is a problem with because you know Facebook has a sign in Google has a sign in Twitter has authentication do you think it's a problem with those services you think about it this is similar to how Mark Zuckerberg and the Google CEO got hacked it was these connections with other accounts it makes you wonder they're different things I don't think this means Google's login system is insecure because I still had to put in my password and my two factor authentication and all of that that all worked fine what it happened was it then gave it access to all of the Google things which was not fine so yeah it kind of rides that borderline of like it's still secure but once it once you let it in the gate it was doing things you didn't think it was supposed to do and that makes me nervous about ever using Google as an authenticate basically there should be no way for anyone to access this level of information without actively giving it maybe you should even actively tap on each element of the thing or on the dangerous element to understand that you're at the very least it should display let's talk a little bit about the popularity of Pokemon Go before we finish this if you don't know what it is ask your children but real briefly it is already 28 year old you install the app you go out into the real world it shows you on the map where things like Poke stops are where you can collect the balls that you need to throw at the little creatures to capture them and then you have to find the creatures in the real world so it makes you go out into the real world you can turn off the augmented reality view and play the game without actually seeing them in the real world and that'll save you some battery life actually but you still have to move to the places in the world to capture the Pokemon and that is what is proving to be so visibly popular about this last night my wife caught the bug because where she works is a huge gym with lots of Poke stops and easy reach so she started playing it and then when we went out to eat last night she said well wait can we stop over here and we didn't even get out of the car she was just pulling the car over to the side of the road where I told her there was a Poke stop and then she was collecting balls and collecting Pokemon and most of the places we stopped we saw other people in fact there is one place which is UCLA housing over here where all it is is just a sign that says here's the UCLA west side housing and there were like a dozen people standing around the sign looking at their phones capturing Pokemon and there was a gym there so they're probably battling with each other as well how did it get so popular Patrick do you have an idea well it's Pokemon first of all I think it's the it's for many people it's the game of the generation so I think as many others have pointed out had you called this game you know insect capture it would be that popular and you alluded to this with Veronica yesterday so I think that is 50% if not more of this and then so popular I think I'm going to have a little bit of a dissenting opinion so maybe I'll save that for later and be the contrarian let's hear from Lamar is it that simple Lamar are you out there catching Pokemon because you I am and I definitely have a story real quick let me just turn this volume down that I don't know how to turn that okay here we go so this is what people use to you know the 3DS Gameboy this is what was traditionally what you use and you can play with people if they happen to have one of these this is a buried entry this is a few hundred books and you have to buy the game and the games come on area and there's an expense to this you now have an app that is on your phone that is free and the buried entry is gone they made Pokemon simple so even if you're not a hardcore user that knows all of the variants and details your mom can get in this figure out the basis of it they simplify the game and you go out and just have fun it is crazy I was so interested in yesterday because I caught a few in my house and I said boy I have to go to the store to get some juice and and I used that as my excuse to walk to the store I never walked to the store I'm lazy and I walked to the store caught like 5 Pokemon I had a blast and I was safe I made sure they weren't in the street I wasn't standing in anywhere but it is interesting I saw a couple of people on their bikes who were doing the same thing I don't it's like the entire world is going out to catch Pokemon I don't know what it is maybe it's definitely generational there's a lot of people in the 20's who grew up on this and there's just people who are just interested in augmented reality this is a testament to how you roll out a new technology that making it dead simple to use Marcus could definitely learn a lesson here on how to do this it's a real augmented reality so yeah Patrick go ahead it's augmented reality but I think on that to me it feels a little bit like motion gaming it's gimmicky it feels the augmented reality part of it feels relatively gimmicky you could have the exact same game with a map displayed with markers on the map and you should walk to the marker and capture it it will work the exact same way I don't think it brings anything to the gameplay maybe a little bit to the experience to see your Pokemon you know around but not much beyond it but let me ask you the app is not available in Europe unfortunately so I couldn't try it is there some other can you battle other trainers is there some deeper gameplay element to it yeah when you reached level 5 are you level 5 Lamar? I'm almost at 4 I'm a little late to the game I couldn't download it for the whole weekend but Patrick you can battle and I don't know if you can trade yet but there is a trade function built in but it's not active yet and they say they want to be very careful with the economy of the system before they launch that yeah and it is a free to play game there is an element obviously if you want to play a little faster you can spend money for buying gold and coins to buy Pokeballs and things obviously that's where they're going to make their money but you don't have to pay to enjoy playing the game it's just like any Clash Royale or any of those type of games if you pay you enjoy it faster but you don't have to so okay the concern I have about the craze is that first of all it came so fast it's really difficult to get your mind to go to well is it going to disappear as fast and I don't think it's going to disappear for everyone but I don't see it having the staying power with all of the people that are using it now I think there might be a core of people that are going to be really interested in continuing to play the game in the same way that you know a lot of people are comparing it to Foursquare in the same way that you had people going bananas on Foursquare and having to sign everywhere and all of this but I will reserve judgment on the staying power of the game in general until I've seen the gameplay elements because these kinds of things if you don't have compelling gameplay they don't hold up and that has been the problem for many of these apps and I do worry that this is beyond the nostalgia factor if there isn't a compelling game it's going to disappear because this isn't that different from Ingress but people saw Ingress and were like ooh it looks military, ooh I have to go outside there's a lot of barriers to entry, maybe I won't play they have a very enthusiastic niche audience and they're very successful because of that but Pokemon said we're going to put Pokemons on here and suddenly everyone's piling over that barrier because people younger than me grew up with Pokemon and it's got that whole nostalgia play if you have the constant server issues that you have several times when we were playing it last night we just had to kill the app and start over again and that was not fun we didn't get the satisfaction that's going to say well maybe I won't go outside because I have to go outside and I have to deal with server issues even when they get the server issues fixed is that going to that could be a problem for people which is why they haven't launched it outside of these three markets I think they want to fix all of that stuff the way I would ask it is would you go out to the store in one month to get another Pokemon on the mark Tom would you stop the car so Eileen can get her Pokemon look I wouldn't have stopped the car last night if Eileen had won you're asking that it's a good question I mean I played I thought the same thing with Clash Rowan and I ended up playing it three or four months and now my interest is kind of waning as new games are coming in but I think yeah the craze is going to die down because it has to die down nothing is this sustainable but what Pokemon is doing in Myantic they're putting out a wide net and they're going to filter out the people who are just in it just for the craze and they're going to end up with a bunch of people that they didn't have before they're not only paying customers but maybe sustainable gamers and look we could be cynical about it but man we got gamers who are finally going outside you got people who are meeting people in groups and making friends and I think on a social level with all the stuff that's happening around the country it came out at a good time I just think it was just a nice distraction from all this stuff we've been dealing with as a country not to say it's going to make our problems go away but it brings some people some happiness they get to play a game make some friends and yeah there's always going to be the thing about the criminal element people get mugged all the time in anything so it's like I don't buy into those stories it's like oh you can't go play because you'll get like anything be aware of your surroundings if you're doing it at a gym location that has a lot of other people you can all kind of watch out for each other absolutely I think it's a great thing I look forward to it worldwide but it's Pokemon it's not going anywhere it's not I don't think it's going anywhere at all it's going to build up to be a great thing well so if anything even if I tried to be a contrarian Ingress which this game is basically based on did have a core following of people that were actively playing it a lot all the time and I can't imagine that Pokemon would have less of a following than Ingress an obscure app not even that it was obscure but it had to be built from the ground up this already has people who love the TV show or the movies or the game itself already just to finish up and also it did bring Pokemon Awareness to a much wider public which Nintendo is going to benefit ultimately as well so it's absolutely even if it doesn't say as crazy as it is now which you're right Lamar and it's probably positive for everyone and I think it's a good thing and I forgot my thought while you remember it it's such a good one Eric on Twitter had suggested that our in-house in audience I should say Vegas employee Medzula give us some odds on Pokemon Go's lasting and Medzula on Twitter duly responded Pokemon Go hysteria has 8 days left decent use has until August 1st then it will fall back to the niche gamers like Patrick's talking about ah okay there you go there's your over under I think that's going to end yeah yeah I will probably not play it forever but I think Patrick you're absolutely right and Lamar you're absolutely right like it's Pokemon it's going to continue to have an audience it will depend on what kind of stuff they add into it to make it interesting as it keeps going I know I was going to say that I feel so bad for the Windows phone users they had an acute little petition change.org please let us play please make this for Intel processors yeah come on yeah they're out there don't forget about them you know William Madison from blindinsight.com sent us an email he says look I understand I'm totally excited about Pokemon Go and this public service announcement may not apply to most people though you may want to study the research on attention and multitasking but if you're out and about playing Pokemon Go and you notice blind individuals in your neighborhood or downtown areas please look up from your device regularly to avoid hurting yourself or another person or getting a cane tangled between your legs and hurting yourself be aware of your surroundings as we were saying considerate and show compassion to others while you're having fun capturing Pokemon pass this along to the kids you know as well so he's saying don't he's not saying don't do it he's not saying don't have fun do it but he's like hey remember there's people who can't see you stand in there in certain cases so just be aware it's another one of those public service announcements just be aware of your surroundings it seems that applies not only to Pokemon Go but you know Twitter and any other app as well yeah absolutely well thank you Lamar Wilson for joining us it was great having you as always remind people where they can find more Lamar Wilson yes sir so you go to youtube.com Lamar Wilson I do a I want to say near daily because I'm pumping them out out in the last couple weeks unboxing videos of various products whether it's you know games gadgets levitating speakers which I think are like my favorite thing to do yeah so this week we got some Amiibo coming up Nintendo product which people are interested in and I guess this HTC Vive at some point it's got to go out of the box that time back come on sometimes 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like oh I just don't have time but I want to catch up I'm hopeful that a lot of people will like that shame on you for missing the joke I said my Google Reader come on come on I just thought you would be on Kleenex you know I'm gonna add this to Mativo it would have been the Google Listen app because that was my main when I was on Android that was my main podcast listener for audio yeah a podcast has always been my favorite on Android for a long time I'm trying to remember what if I used I don't know that I guess I used anything before that on Android a podcast addict you should try it it's made by a French person he's contacting me a couple of times he's pretty good French has been in the French section too so you should use it this is not a sponsored deal thank you for your disclosure yeah Shane says there needs to be a patron level where my mom gets a higher tier in her data plan we were talking yesterday about how my mom uses 8 gigabytes a month on her cell phone because it's the only kind of she has yeah it makes sense yeah yeah we need some titles I like the my favorite right now is got a patch of them all yeah it's pretty good Warner Brothers PewDieLide just PewDieLide I think would work too but it's not the main topic gotta patch them all is perfect unless you got any other favorites you want to give a shout out to Roger Rome 5 if you want to they're missing if Rome 5 because it's like Rome if you want to they're working hard and then Pokemon as a service Rome 5 you want to because if it's if backwards they're really pushing that one gotta patch them all let's go with that exploit 8 that one you have to say but it really works would you say I've always wanted to have a commercial for a skincare product with the dollar saying exfoliate exfoliate exfoliate exfoliate that's funny get soft our skin yeah why isn't that a commercial I would exfoliate after hearing it yeah and they're always you know trying to make the products the beauty and health products for men like super manly and different from like the soft and beautiful women products if they did it with these kinds of things everyone would yeah cause I was since the danger I would have to do it I need some skitter I'm going to exterminate exactly Alex so it wasn't in your story but one of the funniest stories about the pokemon thing was in bill v washington police respond to 911 calls of people screaming in a park around 1130 they run out like cars blazing everywhere and they come out discover just 100 plus pokemon players like really happy to be playing they're like oh my gosh I got squirt all yeah people like and they're like oh my god is somebody getting killed like what's going on it's like you can't make the stuff but police hate this game I know they do they just gonna make their life again I don't know I have you can't tell which of these are urban legends in which they aren't right now but I heard a story about a guy who said he was with one other person playing pokemon go in a park and a policeman came up and said hey what you guys doing here like he was gonna bust him for drugs and they're like no seriously we're just playing pokemon made him show it to him and then he was like wow that's really cool I'm gonna download that play with my kid and he like added it to the policeman added it to his phone right then that could have happened it's a great story I don't it could have happened totally yeah and there yeah there's so many there's so many of these crazy stories and I've been reading about all these stories but when we pulled up to that UCLA housing sign and there was just all like little kids with their parents and all these other people on bikes like stationary on their bikes but they'd obviously rode over to the next stop I was like wow this is unusual this is a phenomenon this is the thing people are like remember back in the teens when pokemon go was the craze but if somebody has never heard of this and they just see like hundred people staring down at a phone like this they have to like imagine they have to like oh is this the night of the walking dead or like what is what is going like I would feel a little scared we were at one stop in the car and we were we were waiting for it to load because the server issues are so inconsistent and we kept saying like we'd see people walking up with their phones and we're like texting or pokemon and we could tell because if they stopped at where the pokey stop was we're like a pokemon person gotcha all right it's kind of fun it's kind of crazy I'm gonna do what you said because I just did the update so I'm gonna log out I don't know how to log out I'm gonna figure out it usually just logs out for me yeah I know so like wait a minute how do I how do I log out so when you get it in France Patrick it's all gonna be fixed all the server issues are gonna be smooth it's gonna be amazing apparently it's very easy to get it from the Australian store but I can't be bothered well that was one of the things I was going to talk about but we had so much to talk about was in China there's a there's a replacement app there's malware apps out there yet to be aware of but there's a legitimate replacement app that's that's number one in the app store in China right now because the official pokemon app isn't there yet wow so did you have a battery saver option oh yeah you gotta go yeah all right thanks Patrick you gentlemen enjoy your day let's see you man gotta catch them all bye he gotta catch some z's probably yeah probably so yeah there's an option in here now for a battery saver that probably turns out the augmented reality probably does yeah that's the thing I would like one thing a company who can get a license with pokemon is gonna make a bunch of money for one of those brick battery things that people carry around and they can stamp it with the official pokemon go approval sticker or whatever and have it nice and colorful so you people can carry that around to keep charging their phone up because I carry one around but like they do a branded pokemon one I'm just giving away like ideas here right yeah right you need to I should be dope the uh there was a cnet story about how to reduce your dependence on pokemon go already hasn't been out a week given to like break your addiction story and one of the tips was don't take extra batteries with you like if you if you want to limit your playing time don't bring the extra battery and then you'll have to deal okay so the permissions are know who you are in google and view email address that's it yeah so pro your your id and your email address but nothing else it's the opposite of what it was before yes you are good for monday right I uh I'm just checking the calibration because yeah absolutely and then are you would you be available either august second I'm gonna stop our broadcast when you guys talk about this it's hard to talk about schedules if you got private stuff going on so thanks everybody for watching I'll see you guys later