 your family re-situation. You did do that, as a matter of fact. Yeah, I'm fine. For years. I mean, they were going into these things, and it's just been, you know, the last few months that I really felt that I needed to have that intense time to go into it. You know, I just, I felt ready. I felt ready to totally devote myself, you know, and think of until then, it had been, I just wasn't ready. And I, you know, it's taken me quite a long time. I mean, it's taken me the past four months to really come to some understanding of what this really means, because at times it did feel like separating from my family, and at times it did feel like leaving them behind, and at times it did feel like, you know, not being... I don't even know how to describe it. I, you know, but it really is a matter for me of coming to clarity in my own mind of what's really going on, and that's where the peace is. And that's where the joy about it is, when I'm with them now, is to be clear in my own mind that it's not about leaving anyone behind. You know, again, I hear what you're saying about all the people saying things to you, because I've had the same experience, and I'm sure there's a lot of parallels, because I've talked to so many people along the way, friends, family, neighbors, you name it, who said, what the hell is going on, and what are you doing? And so I've had to go into it so many different, with so many different people in so many different ways, because everybody's kind of coming at it from a different perspective. And yet, in a lot of ways, it's almost indescribable for me to, you know, I mean, again, when I hear myself talking about it, it all is just symbols, because it's, again, the experience of it, and it's like it may look like one thing on the outside, but until I have the experience of it, there's just, it's just words, you know? What I was hearing David say, though, was that you couldn't be in a family setting and still do this, you know, have this experience of enlightenment. Yeah, and that was what you were saying. So would that mean that Rhonda would never go back, or could never go back to that situation, if that was a choice, or is that something? But when you say go back to me, what that means is I will never go back to being who I was, who I thought I was, as a mother, as a wife, as a family member in that way, without the attachments, without the specialness, I won't go back to that. I can't. She won't go back and remind how it's seen that. But whether the body, I mean, where the body happens to be, it sounded like you couldn't be the president of a company. No. That you have to step apart from roles and be totally neutral. So you could not work and reach enlightenment, is that right? It would be that enlightenment would be defined as letting go of all separate concepts of self and accepting first of all one concept, which Jesus calls forgiveness, which is just seeing the feather, seeing the falseness false. That precedes the awakening. Yeah, you can see that there are definite implications of this as we go in. And it's good to really talk about those and get clear, because again, the egos version is happiness, and then you end up feeling like the splits after a while, because the farther you go into it, you see that the ways of the world and the ways of the system. There's no dancing. There's dancing, but not like that. Everything would dissolve then. The thing about Rhonda, I hate to pick on you, but are you all saying then that she cannot return home if she wants enlightenment? Well, what I'm talking about, because I'm not as far regressed as any of the rest of us. As a matter of fact, and that kind of level that you're talking about, the body that is speaking, has not gone up and just shared the idea. You have reminded Rhonda of, again and again, as this body was going back to Traverse City, is that you no longer go back to Traverse City as mom, or as wife, or as neighbor, or as daughter-in-law, or any of those things, because that's not who you are. And Traverse City is in town. Right. You go back as a teacher of God, and still a teacher of God is a metaphor. Yes. Because, you know, but it's a very helpful metaphor. And it's been totally transformative, totally. I mean, I have a totally different relationship with every one of those people, and it is beyond anything I ever imagined. And we are going to Traverse City at the invitation of Tom, who wants us to come so that he can go into these ideas at greater depth. Because he's finding them more and more attractive as he sees the changes in me. Right. So we're not going to Traverse City because there's someone there named Tom who has been called husband in the past that has nothing to do with why we're going to Traverse City. The invitation could be, seems like it's coming from Tom. It's really internal direction and guidance. You know, as we come together and you go into the silence, because it's really, again, how can I be most helpful? Well, let me ask this. For people to study the course, is the goal, the idea behind that is that you should accept the call at some point and become a teacher, or is it just fine to study the course and live the life without devoting yourself to it as you have chosen to do? Or are you missing something? Well, if you look at the way the course is even written, when you get back to the teachers manually we're talking about, it's written as a training manual for teachers of God and he actually talks about being called, they come from many backgrounds, they come from all religions he says, they come from no religions, they don't look alike, they don't come from same backgrounds. So once they've answered the call, once they've seen that there's no separate interest in their brother, then they have become a teacher of God. And literally it's written for their pupils, they're becoming a teacher of God and more in the line of being like an apostle or the mystics and the saints. Now again, for yourself, where you perceive yourself and where you believe you are, you work with the Holy Spirit's curriculum, it's highly individualized and it's not even about trying to project like, oh my gosh, if I work with this, am I going to end up like that or whatever, but it's just saying, here's where I am right now. This is what I perceive. This is the world I perceive. Help me to move in that direction. You know, you could see where, if you got into all the expectations of where this will take me and so on and so forth, it could seem overwhelming and that would not be helpful. And admittedly, what you're hearing here is quite a deep, deep conversation. And for yourself, if the ego starts to come in with like, oh boy. But look what's coming in, what's the reaction behind that? What's the fear of something? Maybe all that these people can do to take these steps in their lives. Well, yeah. Because it's not all implies that there's somebody involved. There's somebody involved. It's with all these people. Yeah. That's the question. Our changes requiring the life situation of the teachers was real helpful to me, I don't know. That's in the manual. The teacher's manual. I saw the section. I didn't read it. And it was mentioned someday. Okay. Is that helpful? Well, you answered the question. What are the other questions? I had a sense that maybe there's even more questions. No, that was the question. That was the question of the moment. How does that feel to you? It's clarification, I'm speaking. It's clarification and understanding of what this is all about in order to put it in perspective. And so it feels neither hot nor cold. It's just there. Further and further and further. Now I know I'm barely pushing it too far. I just need to bring it back and deal with it right here. And I think that's part of the caught in the future thing. Well, what about, what about, what about, you know... No, wait. It's just doing it right now. It's okay. It's okay. Past and future thoughts will take away the past. Yeah. Except that I was reading something. In the course today, we're in one of the papers about, or maybe it was the fish. God, I'm reading so much. I don't know, but something about their useful past thoughts. And I think it just meant those lessons. I'm not sure, you know, what it was. But generally for me, any thought of the past or the future in this world's terms putting it into a world-like picture of the past or future, take away the peace. Yeah. A reference to what you're talking about would be where Jesus talks about keeping the past in a purified form. Which can seem like oxymoron. Wait a minute, Jesus. You say, let go of the past and the past is gone. Now you want to save the past in a purified form. What is this about? But that's a metaphor for what I was describing when Linda was asking about the body's eyes still report differences, but the healed mind has put them all in the one category. They are unreal. You see, there's still a perceptual component. The body's eyes still seeing differences. That's the past. That's definitely the past. That's not the holy instance. But it's that metaphor of that's a purified form of the past. If you can see the past as flying feathers being ordered to be judged and they're equally unreal. Becca, what you said I think is so helpful that to keep projecting out ahead of where this is taking me can be very scary. And in fact, if I had seen a video of how it looks now three years ago I might have been terrified. Because