 Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering Red Hat Summit 2019, brought to you by Red Hat. Welcome back here on theCUBE, joined by Stu Miniman. I'm John Walls as we wrap up our coverage here of the Red Hat Summit here in 2019. We've been here in Boston all week, three days, Stu, of really fascinating programming on one hand. The keynote's showing quite a diverse ecosystem that Red Hat has certainly built. And we've seen that array of guests reflected as well here on theCUBE, and you leave with a pretty distinct impression about the vast reach, you might say, of Red Hat, and how they diversified their offerings and their services. Yeah, so John, as we've talked about, this is the sixth year we've had theCUBE here. It's my fifth year doing it, and I'll be honest, I've worked with Red Hat for 19 years, but the first year I came, it was like, all right, I know lots of Linux people, I've worked with Linux people, but I'm not in there in the terminal and doing all this stuff, so it took me a little while to get used to. Today, I know not only a lot more people in Red Hat in the ecosystem, but where the ecosystem has matured and where the portfolio has grown, there's been some acquisitions on the Red Hat side. There's a certain pending acquisition that was kind of a big deal that we talked about this week, but Red Hat's position in this IT marketplace, especially in the hybrid and multi-cloud world, has been fun to watch, and really enjoyed digging in it with you this week, and John Walls, I'll turn the camera to you because it was your first time on the program. Yeah, it was, Stu, this is the you're the host. I'm not gonna ask you the questions. But we have to do this, three days of Wallsterman and man coverage, so let's get the Walls perspective on your take. You've been to many shows. Yeah, no, I think that what's interesting and what I've seen here at Red Hat is this willingness to adapt to the marketplace. At least that's the impression I got is that there are a lot of command and control models about this is the way it's going to be and this is what we're going to give you and you're going to have to take it and like it. And Red Hat's just on the other end of that spectrum, right? It's very much a company that's built on an open source philosophy and it's been more of what has the marketplace wanted? What have you needed? And now how can we work with you to build it and make it functional? And now we're going to just offer it to a lot of people and we're making a lot of money doing that. And so I think to me that that's at least what I got talking to Jim Whitehurst, you know, about his philosophy and where he's taken this company and has made it obviously very attractive entity. IBM certainly thinks so to the tune of 34 billion. Yeah, you see that. Some companies say, oh, well, it's the leadership from the top. Well, Jim's philosophy, though, it is the open organization. Highly recommend the book. It was a great read. We've talked to him about the program, but very much it's 12, 13,000 people at the company. They are very much opinionated. They go in there, they have discussions. It's not like, well, okay, one person passed this down, it's we're going to debate and argue and fight. Doesn't mean we come to a full consensus but open source at the core is what they do and therefore the community drives a lot of it. They contributed all back upstream, but we know what Red Hat's doing. It's fascinating to talk to Jim about, yeah, you know, on the days where I'm thinking half glass empty, it's, wow, we're not yet quite $4 billion of the company and look what an impact they had. They did a study with IDC. It's a $10 trillion of the economy that they touch through RHEL, but on the half empty, on the half full days, he's, you know, they're having a huge impact outside. He said $34 billion that IBM paying is actually a bargain for where they're going. But, you know, big announcements. RHEL 8, which had been almost five years in the works there, some good advancements there, but the highlight for me this week really was OpenShift and we've been watching OpenShift since the early days, really pre-Kubernetes, it had a good vision and, you know, gained adoption in the marketplace and was the open source choice for what we called PAS back then. But when Kubernetes came around, it really helped solidify where, you know, OpenShift was going. It is the delivery mechanism for containerization and that container cluster management and Red Hat has a leadership position in that space. I think almost every customer that we talked to this week, John, OpenShift was the underpinning. You know, you would expect that RHEL's underneath there, but OpenShift as the lever for digital transformation and that was something I really enjoyed talking to, you know, the DBS Bank from Singapore and Delta and UPS, it was, we talked about their actual transformation journeys, both the technology and the organizational standpoint and OpenShift really was the lever to give them that push. You know, another thing, and because again, I know you've been looking at this and watching this for many, many years. It's certainly the evolution of open source, but when I, we talked to Chris Wright earlier and he was talking about the pace of change and how, you know, it really is incremental and yet if you're on the outside looking in, you think, gosh, technology is changing so fast. It's so crazy, it's so disruptive, but to hear it from Chris, you know, not so. You don't go A to Z, you know, A to B to C to D to D point, you know, one of, it takes time and there's a patience almost and a cadence that has this slow evolution that I'm a little surprised at. I just, I sense a, or got a sense of a, you know, a much more rapid change of pace and that's not how the people on the inside see it. Yeah, a couple of comments back in that. Number one is, we know how much rapid change there is going because if you looked at, you know, the Linux kernel or what's happening, Kubernetes and the open source, there's so much change going on there. There's the data point thrown out there that, you know, I was at 75% or 95% of all the data in the world was created in the last two years. Yet only 2% of that is really usable and searchable and things like that. So that's a lot of change. And the code base of Linux in the last two years, a third of the code is completely overhauled. There's technology that's been around for decades. But if you look at it, if you think about a company, one of the challenges that we had is if they're making those incremental change and slowly looking at them, a lot of people from the outside would be like, oh, Red Hat, yeah, that's that, you know, little Linux company, you know, that, you know, I'm familiar with and it runs on lots of places there. When we came in six years ago, there was a big push by Red Hat to say, we're much more than Linux. They have their three pillars that we spent a lot of time through from the infrastructure layer to the cloud native to the automation and management. Lots of shows I go to, Ansible's all over the place. We talked about, you know, OpenShift 4 is something that seems to be resonating. You know, Red Hat takes a leadership position, not just in the communities and the foundations, but, you know, working with their customers to be a more trusted and deeper partner in what they're doing with digital transformation. So there might have been little changes, but, you know, this is not the Red Hat that people would think of, you know, two years or five years ago because a large percentage of Red Hat has changed. And one last nugget from Chris right there is, you know, he spent a lot of time talking about AI and so many companies, you know, go buzzwords and, you know, these environments, but, you know, he hit a nice cogent message with the punchline is, you know, machine enhanced human intelligence because these are really complex-isted, distributed architectures. And we know that the people just can't keep up with all of the change and the scope and the scale that they need to handle. So software should be able to be helping me get my arms around it as well as where it can automate and even take actions as long as we're careful about how we do it. There's another point, at least pick your brain about is really the power of presence, the fact that we have the Microsoft CEO on the stage, everybody thought well now, but we heard it from guest after guest after guest this week saying how cool was that? How impressive was that? How monumental was that? And, you know, it's great to have that kind of opportunity, but the power of Nadella's presence here was it's unmistakable in the message that has sent to this community. Yeah, you know, John, you could probably do a case study talking about culture and the power of culture because I talked about red hats, not the red hat that you know. Well, the Satya Nadella led Microsoft is a very different Microsoft than before he was on board. Not only are they making great strides in, you know, we talk SaaS and public cloud and the like, but from a partnership standpoint, you know, Microsoft of old, you know, Linux and red hat were the enemy and you know, Windows was the solution and they were going to bake everything into it. Well, Microsoft partnered with many more companies. Partnerships and ecosystem, a key message this week, you know, we talked about, you know, Microsoft with red hat, but you know, announcement today was surprised me a little bit, but when we think about it, not too much. OpenShift supported on VMware environments. So, you know, VMware, you know, has, you know, in that family of Dell, there's competitive solutions against OpenShift and you know, so in virtualization, you know, red hat has, you know, rev, the red hat virtualization. So the old day of the lines in the swim lanes is one of our guests talked about, really are there, customers are living in a heterogeneous, you know, multi-cloud world and the customers are going to go and say, you need to work together. Like, well, Azure, right? You're not going to be there. We have Azure compatibility going on here. Yeah, deep, not just some tested, but deep integration. I can go to Azure and buy OpenShift. I mean that, to say it in the, you know, not just in the marketplace, but a deep integration and yeah, there was a little poke if our audience caught it from Paul Cormier and said, you know, Microsoft really understands enterprise and that's why they're working tightly with us. There's a certain other large cloud provider that created Kubernetes that has their own solution that maybe doesn't understand enterprise as much and aren't working as closely with red hat as they might. So we'll see what response there is from them, you know, out there. But, you know, always, you know, we always love on theCUBE, you know, the horses on the track and where they're racing, but you know, more and more, you know, all of our worlds are cross-pollinating, you know, the AI and AI ops stuff, the software ecosystems because, you know, software does have this unifying factor that, you know, the API economy and having all these things work together more and more. If you don't, you know, customers will go look for solutions that do provide the full and intense solutions that they're looking for. So where, I've got a couple in mind as far as guests we've had on the show and we saw them actually on the keynote stage too. Anybody that jumps out at you, just like, wow, that was cool. That was, not that we love all of our children, right? But every once in a while, there's a story or two that does stand out. Yeah, so it is so tough. What, you know, I loved is, you know, the stories. You know, John, I'm sure I'm going to ask you, you know, Mr. B and what he's doing with the children and the hospitals with, you know, the Dr. Ellen and the, you know, the brains and those, you know, tech for good are phenomenal. For me, you know, the CIOs that we had on our first day of program, you know, Delta was great and going through digital transformation. But, you know, our first guest that we had on was a DBS Bank in Singapore. And, you know, he was so articulate and has such a good story about, I took outsourced environments, I didn't just bring it into my environment and say, okay, IT can do it a little bit better and I'll respond to the business. No, no, we're going to total restructure the company. Not, we're a software company, we're a technology company and we're going to learn from, you know, the Googles of the world and the like. And he said, we want to be considered there. You know, what was his term there? It was like, you know, bank less, live more, bank less. I mean, what- And joyful banking too, that was another thing. Joyful banking, you know, you don't think of a financial institution as, you know, well, we want you to think less of the bank, but right, you know, that's just powerful statement, you know, total reorganization. And as we mentioned, of course, OpenShift, one of those levers underneath, helping them to do that. Yeah, and I, yeah, you mentioned Dr. Ellen Grant, Boston Children's Hospital, I think about that. She was in fetal neuroimaging and a professor of radiology at Harvard Medical School to work there doing in terms of diagnostics through imaging is spectacular. I thought about Robin Goldstone at the Livermore Laboratory about our nuclear weapon monitoring and efficacy monitoring. Lawrence Livermore. So good. And John? Great week. Talk about the diversity of our guests. We had expats from four different countries, phenomenal accents, a wonderful slate of brilliant women on the program, from the customer side, some of the award winners that you interviewed, the executives on the program, you know, Stephanie Shiris, always great. And Denise, who were up on the keynote stage, Denise with her 3D printed new Red Hat logo earring. So, yeah, I mean, it was, it was... And a couple of y'all old yanks. Well, enjoyed it, Stu. As always, great working with you, and we thank you for being with us as well. For now, we're going to stay so long. We're going to see you at the next Red Hat Summit, I'm sure, 2020 in San Francisco. Might be, I guess, a slightly different company, it might be the same old Red Hat too, but they're going to have $34 billion behind them at that point and probably riding pretty high. That will do it for our cute coverage here from Boston. Thanks so much for joining us for Stu Miniman and our entire crew. Have a good day.