 This video was taken from our live at five show over on patron if you would like to come and join us on patron for all the exclusive videos and live shows every day the link is in the description Well, basically, I just like to come in with a bit of good news. I think go on me Wasn't it great to see a manager wearing his heart on his sleeve and go and take on a referee Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was instead it instead of waiting for some drab interview Where you know, I didn't see it. I don't you know, I want to look at it first You know that guy went straight on that pitch and there was only one person he wanted to take on Yeah, and it's fantastic in it and then later in his interview When the matter of the day was saying well, you know how you're gonna cope You won't be on the bench next week and he just turned around he says well I know that I know Stanford Bridge said I'll be able to sit right next to the players. Yeah. Yeah So, you know and then I also thought to myself well if he's not on the bench Duncan is Yeah, yeah So, do you know I mean I just thought well, okay He's gone on he's fighting in for the cause already and I think he gets the club And that's yeah, you just feel positive about him. Don't you yeah, what do you have some fun as well? What I would say is well digs. I've watched that interview So I've seen the thing on the pitch I've watched the interview he does for Skye and then he does the press conference interview as well and In all three he doesn't back down No, doesn't say oh, I'm dead. Sorry. I apologize. He doesn't like apologize. He just says he just says it as it is You know he explains. He's like he says he wasn't disrespectful Didn't he says it's not the first number being sent off and it's not the last He said I wasn't disrespectful and like you just said there He said oh, I know where the seat are it's not for bridge. He's not sorry And this is the problem with managers is the or even players they say something where fans go all that's fantastic and then And then what happens is is that? They back down afterwards ago. Oh, I'm sorry. You shouldn't have said that no You should have said that and I tell you why and I think Italy you're enforcing this rule next year Referees should have to tell not maybe not publicly Oh, but they should have to tell the rest the manager what's going on And you know what the referee could have handled that so much easier by by saying Carlo Let's go and have a chat in my room Not a yeah in my room and then but he didn't he just he stood there like a prefect or a school Didn't you know he did you stood there like a prefect Yeah, I he just and then he just pulled out this red card and and that was a like and then walk walking Carlo say it happened but what about a dead like that? He didn't back down and what that should show and we've just we've just done a show it'll be out tomorrow on the truth I thought about the captain About we should have a leader at your club and actually shouldn't be your manager It should be someone on that pitch who does that after the game Because he is allowed to speak to the manager to the referee and that player should be to go to the referee and say Why did you give that decision? Well? I want to know why you give back and because the The two aloof these referees they think that you can do what they want and they don't have to explain it Yeah, it's the whole thing is you know we went on and he said this piece He was already warned before and but the referee could have dealt with it My thing with the referee with in that decision is though who actually ruled it out Did they are ruling out did anyone did you know John Moss is like but did John Moss say to The referee go and have a look it's this could referee have gone and had a look at it and gone now in my No, I'm just wondering in my in my view. He's not in pain. It's how I'm allowing the goal to stand I get I get where you coming from but you see it's my understanding that the rule is that the VAR People in our league Make the decision and they tell the referee what the decision is Isn't it? Yeah, it's only on this Possibly possibly dangerous challenge that the referee is allowed to look at the cameras, isn't it? Well, they're not nonsense, but that's only again. No, that's not a FIFA rule No, no, but you know No, the referee decided no the referee decided and walked over to the monitor and looked at it Yeah, and the Premier the Premier League would never like to stand on it It's like another one of these things way Oh, no, they're after the Premier League bring the rule in like FFP It's a rule till someone challenges the rule and once someone challenges it says this is illegal and it's the same with this TV if if If the Premier League said it and the referee wins, I don't agree with you three days ago Let's say the referee was doing a Champions League game and it uses a screen and the three days I did exact same thing happens and the referee goes, you know what I'm using a screen if anyone pulled them on that he'd go This is a FIFA rule. You've just decided you don't want to you don't want to do FIFA rules But actually it's a FIFA rule. I'm in the right. Yo, no, it's just that they've got this They've got this cartel now where they decided they're a little pocker of people and it's like, yes, they what they've done is They've done it and you can see it by people backing them up on TV They've disallowed it for the for a reason which isn't actually the law They've disallowed it for being for them being sitting there But what he haven't actually done is took into consideration was he blocking the view he was not blocking the view So therefore it the goal should have stood but they haven't took the time to look at that But yet they'll look at the look at deli Ali handball in the 27 times won't he? The goal at Chelsea scored against us. Yeah, Sammy Abraham is in front of Jordan Pickford He's in the line of sight of the ball and it goes in he's off track We can see the down there. Yeah, Callum Wilson's offside. So how come that's that's what I just me I Think you see I think we are it's a great idea But it's not ready I honestly believe it's not ready and it's gonna be so difficult to get it right because Every other sport that people talk about where cameras are involved. They start stock games, aren't they? Yeah football flows You know, we've got the Bernie Bournemouth game. I mean that was just to be fair digs You've just said it one of the things you've just said there is absolutely spot on in terms of other sports now other sports Right with VR as you use now. I'm all for VR, right? But one of the one of the things you can say about all the sport is is that rules are black and white They aren't they aren't debatable in cricket if it if it hits If it hits someone's wicket You know if it's given lbw you you can see using technology whether it was a bit the wicket in In tennis with Hawkeye, you can see whether it's gonna hit the line or not hit the line Yeah, it's not a or if it does sorry. It's not it's not That decision yesterday was not VR that was somebody's opinion and their opinion was wrong They had opinion was wrong and that's that's all I can go on All I can say is the guy I must have had a mouse out of you You know because I mean singers and I've got to be honest Not happy that they just sat there in the first place anyway Mmm, you know we've seen that before know what I would say to anybody who criticizes Sigarton for sitting down. I'm not I'm not really No, no, but what I would say is He sat down right what I would say is how many times does which I listen just sit down Nobody's been if he's been far. He sits down quite a lot as well. And It's just something it's very you know, maybe he shouldn't have been there But he does really well to get himself out the way when the book does come towards him But that we shouldn't be as ever tonings. We shouldn't be deflecting away from The conversation because that no no, I know you're not trying to do that But every time someone says well why was Sigarton sitting here? You'll let that referee know what I'm saying You'll let that referee get away with the bigger pointers. Yeah, he was there He was in that position for a reason because he was fouled That's why Before the ball at the back of the net I was already up in the air shouting for the penalty. Yeah, exactly Exactly. I must admit I must admit I didn't see the challenge because the games moving so fast I never seen I'm following the ball I've seen the safe and I'm seeing where it's going because you know, I'm watching the ball But that's not That's not my job. I'm a fan. I'm not the VAR guy. The VAR guy should be like Sigarton's just been taking out there. It's a penalty. The minute that ball goes in We had a big debate on it last week didn't we on the Premier League show talking about The ball must go whether it should have stood or not or whatever or whether you should have let the play go on Yeah, well the minute yesterday the VAR guy, it's like that. We call it the pezz rule because of in in the game. Yeah, pezz You always files from when the ball goes out you go, oh, I got away with that and it almost felt like that yesterday It almost felt like well, we're not gonna talk about that offside because we've got this other thing to talk about And that's not what VAR asked for VAR should be to look go. Well, hang on. Let me check the penalty first. What was the one? What game was it when? That was Man City away. Sorry Man City away. Yeah, with thingy went down. They play went down But he was offside. He was offside, but we're having to check a penalty. Yeah, like eat more as it was. Yeah Yeah, like he's offside. Yeah, but he was checking both things at once. So why couldn't he have checked?