 Most programs suck because they lack these few things. Training left to right and rotation, let's go. Yeah, that's really good. Is that compelling enough? You know, to make it more, to be more, I guess, trainer with it, I guess it has to do with just the planes of movement, right? Like a lot of programs are all like moving in this direction. Everything's front and back, and that's about it. It's typically what you see in most commercial gym settings. Yeah, and they lack- What's your theory on that? Why? Like, why are trainers writing more programs like that? That's a good question. I have a theory. I think it has to do with that the most, and this is true, right? The most effective, generally most effective muscle building exercises are like squats, rows, presses, overhead presses, and those all are in the same plane. They don't involve any rotation or lateral movement. And although they are effective, very effective at building muscle, the lack of lateral stability strength and the lack of rotational strength and stability eventually reduces the amount of muscle and strength you can gain even from those exercises. Yeah, I mean, you do build substantial muscle from those compound lifts, and so it's hard to stray away from that, or like really see the value in rotation in some of these other types of exercises because you're not gonna see like this crazy muscle gain necessarily other than it really complements and gives you longevity in your training. So I think it's even simpler of an answer than that. I think it's hard. Well, that too. More challenging to program, you mean? Well, no, not even that. Just it's, they're difficult exercises. A lot of, when you move in different planes that you're not used to moving in, they're challenging. Challenging stability, form, and technique wise. You can't use a lot of weight on them. They tend to get your heart rate going a lot of times, like so I think that they're hard. Yeah, so do you guys have any, I have an example, right? I think you do too, just in fact, I think you and I have a similar story where our lateral stability came back to haunt us. Actually very similar. So like deadlifts, right? Deadlifts move in the same plane as the bench and the rest. And I could get really strong in deadlifts. At one point I was able to pull 600 pounds, which is okay. It's not bad for some of my size, but I injured my QL at least twice because when I would lift the bar off the ground, if it wasn't perfectly balanced, if one side came up faster than the other, even by a little bit, my lack of lateral stability with that much weight caused me to injure myself. Boom, I can't deadlift now for a month or two. I have to do correctional exercise and of course you lose gains as a result of that. Yeah, I had the same issue and it was, everything was going great and then somebody said something across the gym. I lost my complete attention and I turned to the left and shift the weight, just a fraction of an ancient and I was done, I heard my, well, I just felt my QL immediately talk to me. So yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, those weak links, although they aren't the most, I guess responsible for the big gains, when those weak links are so weak that they can't support your gains anymore, now that's it, you plateau, you big time. So if you talk to anybody who's relatively advanced, this may not happen when you're a beginner, may not happen even as intermediate, although it's more common. But once you start to get advanced, ask somebody who's at that level, what's the number one thing that prevents you from making gains now? And they'll tell you injury, injury and pain. It's always, those are all the top things. Well, plus I see a lot of that sort of stereotype of the muscle bound guy that just doesn't really move well. He's really stiff and rigid. I see that a lot when like you look at their program and you see them just constantly in that sagittal plane, everything is very much controlled to where you take them outside of that. It's like they can't even really wipe their ass. Yeah, it's like, what do you do? Do you guys have any favorite rotational and lateral exercises that you'd like to incorporate? Rotational stuff, we mentioned this on a recent podcast. So for me, that was the big one. So I didn't really do a lot of rotational movements for my shoulders and didn't really realize how much that would carry over into like my bench and any sort of, any upper body exercise for that matter, overhead press, rowing, all that, when I had good rotational strength in my shoulders. So doing the clubs and the May swings were huge for me. Big time, I mean, and that was why I think I liked it so much was I started to see a carryover into the bench and movements like that that I just felt more strong, I felt stronger and more stable going right into the lift where in the past, I'd have to do all these kind of like. Have to get perfectly in the groove. Yeah, I had to get right in the groove. I'd do all these warm-up sets. I had all these like kind of priming movements that I would try and do to get myself in the optimal position to actually be able to get after a bench where when I started incorporating more of the clubs and the Mays just into the routine, I could get right into it. And I felt, I felt in like this great position to bench right away. So that was a big one for me. Yeah, what for me was, so I always incorporated some form of rotation, mainly because it was all aesthetic because I liked having developed obliques. So I would do, so that wasn't a huge issue, although it still was because it wasn't really proportional. But you know what I noticed a huge difference was when I started to prime with like lateral tube walking. Like such a silly movement. And all of a sudden I could squat so much better and stronger and then it was too obvious. I'm like, okay, I need to do lateral stuff. So I started doing practicing Cossack squats where I step out, which I'm terrible still to this day but better than I was. And then lateral sled drags, which huge difference in my squats. Yeah, well addressing sort of that QL issue, I started to get back into windmills and bent presses and things like that to really try to address the issue and get strong with that, especially thoracic rotation with my upper back was a consideration. I didn't really have much rotation there. So that really helped a lot. It like keep me nice and sturdy going back into deadlifts and some of those, you know what I would love to see you try because I haven't seen you do it yet. And I, yeah, I stole this from the squat university guys, was the assisted McGill Plains. Oh, I did that once. Did you? I did that once. I'd tell you what, so my range of motion on that's terrible. Yeah, absolutely terrible. Yeah, no, I think, well the fact that you're assisted, like just doing, I mean, obviously doing McGill Plains would be great, but those are challenging for a lot of people. So being able to hold the bar and assist, you could really. So you know what I noticed when I did it? I only did it once. You talked about it a while ago. Yeah. And I actually tried it the next day. And what I noticed, and this is a hallmark of poor connection, is even with my arms getting me into position, I felt disconnected. Once I went past a certain point, that's crazy. Which, you know, again, you train people, but did you trade yourself? I should have been doing that ever since. But I just, you know, I just didn't do it, which is kind of dumb. That's in the rotation now for me on a regular basis. And I had never, I had never done that before. It wasn't something I was doing on a regular, but now I'm like all about it. This is why we, I mean, you know, when we came out with our programs, Maps Anabolic was the first one. Very sagittal plane focus, very like build muscle, mass, speed up the metabolism, strength. That's why performance followed. If you look at Maps performance, it's all about working in multiple planes. That's why it's such a complimentary program to follow post. And that's why staying in one program, no matter how well written it is, eventually you'll start to get weaknesses because it's, first of all, what makes a program effective is also what creates its weakness, right? So you have a very effective program for a specific target goal. That means that there's other things that you're not focused on, because if you focus on everything at once, you don't get a lot of any of them. You get a little bit of everything. So any perfect, any great programs always gonna have weaknesses because of that. That's why it's so good to go from, you know, focus to another focus because then you get become more rounded. You avoid injury. You're ultimately, in the long term, you build more muscle, get better results, you know, all that stuff. Yeah, keep going, man. Yeah. That's the point. Hey, if you enjoyed that clip, you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here. And be sure to subscribe.