 Boom, what's up fam Anthony dream John center today founder a red man group 21 convention 22 convention 20 university 10,000 of things on the internet here today with episode 1 64 of the red man group Joining me is going to be returning guests to the show and our alumni speaker of the 21 convention. He's a big-time youtuber I guess you call him an armchair philosopher and psychologist It is great work on YouTube and helping people heal from toxic relationships Complex trauma childhood trauma all kinds of really cool things I did a great speech at our convention and an entire course actually on his own that we have a 21 University We're just today's sponsor as you can see Pull it up right here So today's sponsor of the show is Richard Grandin's actually the guest of the show his CPTSD masterclass that we filmed most of with 21 studios and That we host at 21 University, so you can go to the link in the description. You can learn more about that If you want to buy it, you know, my company makes money, so I appreciate that all the money that you spend on it We'll go to the we get anyway. We'll go to hookers blow and strippers So if you want to do that, I appreciate it big time by the course. It's really good. Actually, it's over eight hours long It's got nine videos. It's super fucking savage. I love it. We put out some previews lately, too You can check those out there on YouTube as well as on the page One is about escaping abusive relationships and we'll Smith I think is n1 which is why we did that and then the crazy female psychopaths and vampires, which is why we have that there As far as Richard himself, you should go check him out Directly his main content is on YouTube and to some degree Instagram as well His Instagram is linked up on the right here with this on his YouTube channel But he's got like thousands of videos. He's got over 350,000 subscribers He has another channel to Richard Grandin philosophy, which has another like 50,000 subscribers A lot of very helpful videos that have helped me and a lot of you guys this one from 21 convention we filmed we got a ton of stuff and he works a lot of the a lot of other people to collabs and stuff different interviews Sam Vaknin The Asian guy I'm afraid what his name is tentacle croissant. He's pretty cool. I like that guy Anyway, check out Richard's channel and do you subscribe just go to YouTube search Richard Grandin And I think he's launching the website which you can see there too So I don't know the URL anymore, but he has a website Instagram all that great stuff Anyway without further ado, please let me welcome back to the red man group. Mr. Richard Grandin How you doing man? I'm very well, sir. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it Apologize to you and everybody watching for my casual look in a car. I've just come from the gym It's just the way this weekend. This is worked out. This was the best place for me to get signal But yeah, there's a serious topic and and we do take it seriously being paid in in blow and and strippers I Wasn't aware that that was how I was gonna get my cut That's what I was told. That's what that's what corporate told me. That's what I mean That's what I asked for is this standard in Florida. Is this how payments? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah This is a Florida man This the stripper capital of the world and my to my knowledge is Tampa, Florida. It's about two hours west of me Really? Oh, yeah, they have a shit ton of strip clubs. Not that I would know first-hand or anything So if I wanted to sort of study CPTSD, there's plenty of oh, yeah Clients and I'm able to study there with unlimited unlimited problems I had an old friend that used to be a bouncer at a strip club like one of the doorman and he just would come home every night with you know a bunch of tips and a bunch of Problems from these strippers that would they would tell him they'd always tell me he's like they have unlimited problems don't ever date them I never did technically So, yeah I've actually just just gone back to doing nightclub security work Just because I was spending so much time on the internet and so much time on my own basically turning into a nerd online And it reminded me that there was a time when I worked in London where I did work For strippers, but it wasn't a strip club. It was like this They were a sort of a federation. They were resilient of Strippers and then they would hire out locations and then they hire me I speak a little bit Portuguese for the as the security Not that they needed it because they're ferocious enough themselves They easily chalk the guys out, but just for the legal side of it. But yeah, the tips were amazing Absolutely. I was like, I'm in the wrong game. I should be doing what you know So I want to talk about a number of things today It's been a while since we had you on the show like I kind of like having you on every year is like an annual guest Kind of like a Jack Donovan is to find Molly you want I'm like my I guess a regular for annual could be considered a regular thing But one of the top guys in YouTube that I love is not banned yet You've had an issue before I know they did a strike against you and your Instagram got nuked and I'm close to being Banned if I say one more thing about Oh, shit spiked in the arm then then yeah, I've got two two medical misinformation strikes hanging over me One more comment and they'll delete the whole channel on YouTube. Wow, holy shit Now those will go away in a number of months. They usually last 90 days the strike system if they even follow it Sometimes they don't sometimes they do Okay, okay, that's good to know. I mean Molly knew I had no strikes and they fucking just nukes all channel so And with me they demonetized all channel as you remember that and there was no strikes They just said fuck you give me your money now. We got it back But that was like so that was balls in the dropping block, you know I'm actually I spoke to some people at rumble three days ago I find it hard to get motivated to upload new content to YouTube because of the appalling way in which they've acted Yeah, so I'm gonna move to rumble where they have assured me I can speak Completely freely. They just have a totally different model. They don't sell data. They don't It's not selected by algorithm. It's basically it's just what people want to see if they want to see it You get the views. Yeah, I'll be moving to rumble thing 100% dude we eventually have a channel to up and up a few months ago technically I started like a year ago, but I never used it But once for a thing on YouTube happened I was like rumble rumble rumble rumble and I love it I've talked to them to over email. They actually moved the headquarters to Florida near my hometown They're CEO moved to Florida. They also bought locals which is like patreon and you can use that for like premium content We do that a little bit now with the audios from, you know, 21 convention speeches So rumble is fucking savage and they've been around I don't know if they're gonna get banned off the app stores either and they have a lot of infrastructure and money They just got like a hundred million or something from Peter Thiel the co-founder PayPal Yeah, so rumble might be the thing that finally takes on YouTube finally because everything else is falling apart, you know I just find it mate when you know When I see what's happened to you and Molina and a lot of other people around me and the fact that like I'm editing My own words now. I just don't find it motivating. I don't You know, I could have a lot more followers on there be making a lot more on there And I just think I just don't I don't want to feed the beast I don't want to feed their system because I think it's completely degenerate. It's completely corrupt at this point Intellectually degenerate and grow well beyond that too. I mean everything Total degenerate Dude, we should get a bunch of we should get like a couple hundred billion dollars like Elon and just buy youtube Like if you bought youtube or I bought youtube, that would be fucking great, you know It it would think just a small issue of uh, of the of the coinage. That's the only Yeah, dude, if Elon buys twitter, man, I'm excited about that. I don't fully trust Elon. I do like him a lot But I do think he's on the right side of history kind of like a trump And uh, I trust him pretty highly for a billionaire, which normally I think it was all evil scum unfortunately Well, I'm I'm I'm watching I'm watching from a distance. I don't really have strong opinions about elon where I've seen him talk about twitter I'm sort of looking I'm going it just sounds like I think elon is on is on with all due respect I think he's on I think he's on the spectrum. I don't think he would deny that like he is Yeah, it's back from like a lot of Highly intelligent people are I think he's at 160 IQ Dude, all the best people are just like all of them. They're my favorite people well Yeah, they're the best and um, I think it's a somewhat naive Step and I mean that without criticism. I'm not saying naive negatively. I'm saying naive possibly positively He's just seen a problem. He's an engineer. He goes people want talk people not able to talk Me make people talk again Yeah, I kind of I think and I don't think there's much I don't think there's an agenda beyond that like he's an engineer He's seen a problem and he thinks he can provide a solution to it. So I'm watching that. I think I think it's healthy I think it's healthy to see The debate go in public like do we want to be like where is this discrete boundary? of of free speech becoming hate speech and who gets to decide I mean and Obviously, it's been massively overstepped by by youtube, which is extraordinarily ideologically driven and it's it's Who wants to live in a in a world like that where your politics don't match what? What the politics of the platform provider are and so you get silenced. I think it's disgraceful It is man And it's it's sad particularly on youtube because it used to be Much more so than facebook ever was and even twitter twitter They would larp and pretend to be like back in the early 2010s They would pretend that like twitter was saving democracy And various like african shitholes and stuff like that or whatever these you know these different You know african spring or was it the arab spring all this stuff arab spring. Yeah back in 2011 Yeah, but now of course the big brother But youtube though is a place where there was like very little woke stuff and it was very free and open Because that was on here making videos wild. Yeah youtube was wild. It was the wild west I remember when they banned my self-defense channel in 2012 I was like, okay the the winds of change the winds of change are here and they started moving Towards being very corporate and very institutional and then I think it was 2013 a year later The white house had its own channel and I was like this is over. This is done. This is done like They they banned my self-defense channel for being too violent And I was like what what do you guys want me to do like teach people how to defend themselves from street violence non violently It was insane. But but yeah what since that time I think from 2006 to 2012 youtube was another entity. It was a completely different thing. Yeah, I loved it too, man It was so awesome I hope rumble has that same and I think it does have a lot of that same energy It's a it's a challenge if it can survive though and have enough funding and fight off different legal suits They actually have a lawsuit against google either right now for two billion dollars. That's uh filed really Yeah, they they're accusing google of manipulating probably correctly that google is manipulating search results About videos to favor youtube their platform over other platforms like rumble and bit shoot and whatever There's no doubt. Yeah, does anybody doubt that these fuckers are doing that? I mean, there's just no doubt Yeah, this is this is where it ties in with the theme. You know, these are Essentially narcissistic psychopathic Corporations rather than individuals and we are now all in an abusive relationship with them. We're being gaslit We're being promised one thing and delivered something else. It's a classic bait and switch. This is what narcissists do come here You can say what you want share your content. I mean for god's sake Where's there? Where's the humility? Where we made them We made that they don't make content and when youtube does make content None of none of the people watching have seen it, but youtube does make content. It is garbage Garbage they're useless And then they treat us the people who they have relied on and so they became this multi billion dollar corporation They treat us like crap and they say, okay, you're done. We used you it's classic narcissism classic for narcissistically abusive relationships Yeah, it's like being thrown out of the moving car. It was what it felt like for me personally I mean like I run a business and my channel is not personal like yours is richard gran and it's personal to you Much more so than 20 of studios is which is part me as a speaker but part you and literally You know 250 other fucking speakers But even so as the founder it was really uh, there was an emotional impact that when they took When they kicked us out of the partner program we got banned in a in a specific way They took all the money and they put my business in some ways in jeopardy and stuff our ability to monetize their videos It's one of the main ways we do it was youtube advertising Which has worked really well for all these years and then it is fucking just fucking me in the ass man It's sucked. We got it all back for now, but of course it'll happen again And I don't know when next month or next year or two years from now or whenever the fuck So I made that I do tentacle croissant with is uh, is pierrex. So you mentioned them before you got Yeah, yeah, yeah tentacle man pierrex. So he um He's more he's more tuned into this, but he's been telling me he knows other youtube He's a he's a he's a social media influencer. He is a youtuber He's not like I use it to get the word out about cp testing our cystic abuse. You run your business from it He's actually a legitimate influencer and he says a lot of influencers in the last four or five years I've just gotten burned out that they're struggling with legitimate psychological problems Because of this kind of gaslighting Uh, uh manufactured consent coercive situation that they feel like i'm I'm walking on eggshells every day on this channel. Just like you it's really legitimately abusive. Yeah Yeah, it really is it really is and this is if they told us this is what we were doing from the beginning We were just said we'll screw you we'll form our own platforms or whatever But they didn't so it's a bait. It's a bang switch You can't you can't do this to people and claim that it's fair and legal and democratic And that you're the purveyors of social justice when you act in such a socially unjust way these people are bullies They're absolute predators and bullies. Yes. Yeah, I love when you call that out I remember in 2019 in poland when you spoke Uh, it was something that I was familiar with but hadn't heard uh in this specific way before and you did a great job Particulating it and you're talking about a feminist accuse everybody being bullies and sexist pigs and all this stuff And you're like bully bully. Who's the bully because they say it's it's really a like classic projection These people are aggressive aggressive beat them up bullies who uh will Use speech and other mechanisms like cancel culture and even threats to bully the shit out of everybody And they've been doing this for for decades like it's insane Well in that example, I was specifically talking about feminists accusing men of being toxically masculine And I was like, no, you're the ones who are toxically masculine You're the ones who are animus possessed You're the tyrants the bullies the patriarchs the finger waggers the ones who are Didactic and preaching to everybody where you're the toxically masculine bullies And most of the men who are around now they're anima possessed They're depressed. They're fat. They're anxious. They're like jellyfish now Yeah, who did that who did wasn't men that did that It was essentially it was feminine. It was feminists and then the toxic echoes of feminism that came after that, which is basically Uh Well, that's that's woke culture messed up misundry Yeah, yeah I also if i'm following too like I view like woke culture and all this wokeism and cancel culture And even the politically correct stuff from the 90s that sprung up at least in america was a thing I'm sure in britain, too. It became, you know, pc stuff. Is it politically correct? These are all children of feminism ideologically like the woke stuff didn't just fucking come out of nowhere It's from feminism No, like in marxism and stuff Well, and the the funny thing about woke is it's actually It's actually a concept from black american culture Which was appropriated by guilty white people by guilty white liberals in america So woke is not even woke even that stolen these people are always winging about cultural appropriation They stole the title that they use these people are thieves. They're total degenerates. They're just degenerate They steal everything I was doing a red man group live at the 21 summit last year And I went off on this kind of little monologue with some of the panelists we had going on red man group on the stage And what I wanted to communicate to women what I was able to say is that feminism to all women there We had them on the audience then on the internet later like feminism robbed you It robbed you of your future. It robbed you of your femininity It made you a weirdo abusive bully in some ways that's going to be a spectrum depending on the person But or the female the birthing person But it really robbed them it robbed them of the future robbed them of their fertility It lied to them and manipulated them It told them to put career first and advanced schooling first and put motherhood and family last These things are like biologically delusional Even if you have the ability politically and should to make bad choices your freedom But it's like they they fucking robbed you they robbed you of good relationships They robbed you of being feminine of embracing your femininity Of all this stuff and they their thieves is really what we need to frame them as correctly It's it's it's it's the whole thing is a con it basically just doubled the workforce and half the pay That was the whole thing. It's about emancipation. No it isn't It was about getting you into work. It was about turning you into a wage slave Getting you into debt and exhausting you and taking away from your family and taking you away from your children You were sold a bill of goods and and I think I think it's high time. We have this conversation like boldly And publicly it's not a man. It's not a man versus woman conversation. It really isn't it's a psychopathic narcissist versus Normal person conversation. Do you want to be exploited? Do you want to be ideologically infected with nonsense that brain washes you into doing stuff? You don't want to do that hurts you whilst being forced to say that you love it Is there anything more narcissistic than that? And I think that's it. That's exactly what this is It was a con the whole thing was it was a terrible con and now what is it 40 50 60 years later? We are you know, we're we're reaping the results of that We're going to bear that burden for generations to come unless we do something drastic to fix it It reminds me of a great book by a Swiss psychologist Alice Miller It's called free your own good the hidden cruelty and child rearing and the roots of violence She died a couple years ago, but she wrote a long series of books from like the late 70s until she her death I think in like 2010 or something like that A lot of it reminds me of your work, which is why I brought it mad at ready for the show But also the feminism it's like, you know, that's talking about abusive Parenting and childhood and stuff, but it's that saying like it's for your own good. It's for your own good Like feminism is for your own good, you know doubling the workforce having to pay is for your own good abandoning your children It's for your own good. You know all this like insane shit And why then would I have because I speak to mainly women? It's 80% women Do I have women constantly contacting me privately? They'll never say it publicly that they don't want this I have women saying all I want. I have women will come to me Some some of them as young as 27 all I want to do is be a mother and have children But I can't say that publicly because if I do that I feel like I'm a criminal and I'm going to be outcast And I've done something wrong I'm like how how is that about the emancipation of women? Shouldn't women be allowed to choose what they want to do? So how is it we've created the feminism has created a culture where a woman can't say, yeah I'd like to be a stay at home mom. I don't want I don't I don't want a real estate business. Thank you I don't I don't want to live that life I don't I just want kids that's all I just want to have children and we live in a culture now where we go Oh, that's shit Making people a shit. What is more magical than the ability to make life? Yep, how has that become? Evil how has that become so diminished and treated with such contempt? It's insane We we have built an insane Ideological prison for ourselves and now we're rotting inside of it a woman brother a woman A woman I wanted to bring up a I wanted to bring up a comment. I thought was because I had this on my mind too to ask you So, uh, you know comment or sd. Whoever that is. Thanks for commenting This if you're not familiar with richard, you have to watch his videos to get the gist of him He went from I don't agree with this part But he went from stuffy online therapist to talking about real issues. No holds barred psychology. What's psychology? now I wanted to make a my own comment on this too that Some point in the past six to twelve months. You've always been a truth seeker in my view at least since I've been watching you since like late 2017 early 2018 we first started talking and stuff about youtube and speaking and all that But you have I think like me in some ways we've both had our own trajectories online and as men and individuals, but You've gotten significantly more brazen and aggressive and bold and I fucking love it I mean you have like it turned up the volume on your inner alpha male You're like a pure blood alpha male now before you were like mostly alpha now. You're like hardcore alpha male I'm teasing the audience before I was purple pale No, you're like hardcore red pills. Fuck now and I think part of that now for me And I imagine for you too to some degree, but you can comment You know, we've seen the world gets so fucking crazy Exponentially so not in a not in a you know gradual way It's been really exponential in the past two and a half years Around the world not just America and Britain, but everywhere it's just gone. Everything's fucking burning and it's crazy And for me, I've cranked up the intensity and the volume as a response to that And I think it's a healthy response because it's like you mentioned this abusive relationship The abuse is increasing So you have to defend yourself more aggressively and fight back more aggressively And I think that's what's going on with you But if you can comment on that because your tone has really gotten this guy's not kidding like you're You've taken the gloves off until it feels like you're fighting bare knuckle now. I'm like, yeah, it's fucking great share share share Well, sometimes like, um, I think from 2019 till now when I first spoke at 21 studios Um, obviously I had my criticisms of things, but the last three years has really ripped The the the sort of dressing off the wounds now we see how bad it is In some ways the abuse has gotten worse and in some ways it's just gone on for too long And I I sort of have that I think it's a I think the romans used to write it on sundials And uh, the the roman clock and it would say it's it's it's always later than you think So I have that in my mind. I'm aging I see my sister's two young boys growing up and I'm like If we assume that it's later than you think and I believe we're on a track that leads to gulags and genocide And however close I think we are to gulags and genocide. We're closer. So there isn't the time. There just isn't the time and anyway What are they gonna do? What what's anybody gonna do to me? You're gonna cancel me. You're gonna write mean comments about me boof fucking who So what go the fuck ahead? We fought for the freedom that we had we fought to have all the beautiful things that we have Uh forefathers fought for them and for generations It was blood sweat and toil for this so I can sit and talk to you on my little fucking iphone And sit in my nice car outside my nice gym. I didn't build this I didn't build any of this I could be a slave for somebody now But other people fought so that I would have the freedom to do this And now I respect that and I'm grateful for that and I don't take it for granted We all know war's broken out in ukraine Britain could potentially be unofficially at war with russia at this point Let's not take any of our order or any of our freedoms for granted We have to fight for them and they are being eroded. I think what's happening in america Obviously america goes first and then we'll follow At the moment is disgusting like some of the stuff that's going on with trying to teach little children about adult sexuality And weird adult sexuality Niche adult sexuality and fetishes and I'm like what why are we even having that debate? Why is that even a discussion? It should be completely illegal I got the trigger was a meme I posted yesterday. I found it. I fucking love that people are going apeshit over it Maybe you saw it. I'll post it real quick. Hang on. Oh, the wolf. Perfect. The wolf I just want to read some books to your chickens. Yeah, totally. It's insane Like these people all belong in jail. You don't belong within, you know, 10 miles of a fucking school If you want to teach six-year-old children about butt sex like i'm not okay with this So so okay, so so anybody who finds what you just said offensive, right vividly imagine me Uh with the sunglasses on slightly sweaty from the gym in a vest And I go into your school and i'm going to talk to your six-year-olds and i'm going to tell them With a fair degree of of detail not totally intimate detail But this is what happens my my heterosexual sexual preferences the kind of goals I like to have sex with the positions we have sex in You know the role play we do really Really, you would just sit back and go. No, that's that's very good because Six-year-olds need to know what this 44 year old man likes to do in his spare time What are we doing? Yeah, I don't even know how this is a debate and when I say it's later than we think That's that's what i'm talking about. It's not that it's happening and people are outraged It's that it's happening and people are going With their own children should we let little timmy hear this? Are you mad? Are you mad? Try and put that anywhere near I love or I know or my kids. There's no question about what's going to happen There's no way I would let that happen because it's totally perverse. It's abuse. It's abuse, but we're so Nom now we're such cocks to abuse. We don't even recognize abuse for being abuse We just don't know. This is normal. This is how people talk. No, it isn't it wasn't normal five years ago I don't know why you dummies all think it's normal now Yeah, but if you let it happen, it'll keep happening. It'll just keep happening It reflects what you're saying about the it's always later than you think the old saying the romans or whatever It's like they have they took over the schools. They took over the universities. They took over hollywood They took over most of the governments. They took over the militaries. They took over these institutions these corporations Like everything, you know Almost everything in culture across the west in america and canada and britain and australia and whatever They took all the stuff over years ago and now, you know, even decades ago in some ways It wasn't all once it was gradual and then it picked up more steam Even more universities even more people the old guard retired You had new these new woke people come in and now this is the fruit of that like this is them They took over and now so that's why five years ago Those symptoms these expressions weren't showing just yet But they were obviously about to on a timeline which is what we're seeing now And yeah, they're coming out for the kids all these crazy christians from the 90s and 2000s saying that There gets a slippery slope. They're gonna come after your kids and shit Look, they were i'm not a christian but these people are right and credits do or credits do These people are literally coming for your children And they're not gonna and then and openly and they're not gonna stop. They're saying it. They're proud of it. We're coming for your kids We're coming for you. Really really try Try me bitch try me. So there's a there's an internet meme that uh, you know, I don't want to get too much a note But I can outline the details of it the basics It's just an internet picture, you know typical meme And it's basically stating that like white people are on the world are like very slow to act but eventually they just snap And things get fixed and you know, that might be where this is going That that's what worries me mate. So you and I you're you're further right than I am I've moved right from the left towards the center in the last three years as many people on the left have Because we're looking at the left and we're going well, this doesn't represent my beliefs This doesn't represent my values to be clear. This is your right now This is your characterization of my political philosophy not mine. I don't I don't really call myself right Although I understand why you're saying that I respect it. Look at you with your red cap on Make men alpha again Are you wearing a gun right now? Uh, I have two I have that one and then the one in front of me two both are loaded Now what I care about that politically I care about reality and I care about the founding fathers of and the founding of america Those are these are basically my political positions and where they come from And iron ran would be the reality part too So you're would you agree your right of center? I don't like the left right thing in general. I just care about what's real I care about what's true and I care about what's objectively true and that to me is what political philosophy if it should come from You know whether the y-axis as well like there's authoritarian and libertarian. Yeah So you're you're probably more towards individual responsibility and libertarianism. You're not a liberal I'm not saying you're a libertarian. Yeah between authoritarianism. You would choose libertarianism, right? Uh, yeah, and I and people would choose that for me characterizing my statement So I get why you're saying the right and libertarian thing. It's just these things don't matter to me and I think even if they're Useful in conversations and I get what people like to you know make these little maps of where people are politically and stuff None of this matters to me. I don't call myself a conservative Um, I will describe myself sometimes as like well number one an objective is because philosophically that's true Or even like a ron paul republican who was a hardcore libertarian in america? He was a former libertarian presidential candidate. What a shame. He never got a chance What a world we live in now if we've done if we've done four years. Yeah, I know right. No, yeah Yeah, anyway though, I don't want to get into weeds on it. Go ahead with your previous comments King king ron desantis 2024 and I'm a lefty go on. Sorry I'll move to florida when it succeeds Yeah, yeah I wonder what it is about florida because florida was my main experience of america growing up Like obviously I traveled I saw, you know, a number of the states not all of them. I didn't close Fucking 50 of them plus territories But most of my experience of america growing up was florida And it was so weird for me in 2019 or 2020 to I mean, obviously i've been watching politics and landscape and the culture change all these years and it's crazy but to see in 2020 all these states like all this insane Coofit shit and lock downs and all this crazy crap and then of course ron desantis doing his thing that to me Was I mean the culture and the the media anyway frame that is weird and he's the bad guy and whatever But to me that's just that's completely normal, especially as a floridian Like I grew up in in in the wild like we grew up on the water playing with sharks Alligators manatees dolphins Giant jewish groupers the way 500 pounds Like we went we would go to school sometimes and see a six foot monitor lizard looked like a fucking dragon Just walking around like this is how I grew up like it was very wild snakes Like they could fucking kill you and like florida is a wild place and that to me and there's so much freedom with that too though This state is very like there's a reason ron is what governor that is the florida man That's that those are my people like america is secondary to that to me. I'm a floridian first Yes, and I understand that I told you straight away when When the whole lockdown was happening and in order to get into america I had to go to the dominican republic first and I flew into miami to go see my sister in california I couldn't believe miami. I was just amazed at the freedom there and the vibe that was there and Oh, it was I only had three days there and I was I was devastated because it was so good It was so so good to be there um florida's heaven on heaven on earth man It's it's that good. I've been I haven't traveled maybe as much as you but I've seen a lot And florida's my favorite place in the world man even more than australia I mean, obviously the politics suck there, but a lot of beautiful places But florida's is fucking so savage and so beautiful too. Yeah Yeah, I would if it did succeed and it was an option. I would definitely move that I would definitely move Yeah, my hope is that florida is the future of america is as grim as things look right now not only in america but throughout the west And ron has been our governor has been key in pushing things Opening the oberton window for other governors to follow him because they're all beta males and pussies You know if it's not trump and ron de santas. They're pretty much all beta males and pussies and a lot of them are frauds too Yeah, I think We are we are back into back into politics again, but I've I've been ever ever since I went there I was like, well, who's who's the governor of this? Who's who's calling the shots here and I've been following him ever since I've been following ron de santas ever since and i'm very Very very impressed with him. Did you see the other day? He just passed a bill he signed it into law in florida and now it's a program And it's the first ever of its kind i've ever seen in america It's a bill that that puts 70 million dollars Towards fatherhood in florida Specifically fatherhood the whole campaign is called strong fathers strong florida and it's all about helping fathers How aroused were you when you saw that? Oh very i'm like patriarchy is getting back in the game I loved it. I mean because i'm not i'm not necessarily a fan From a political philosophy angle of that But it doesn't matter to me because the situation is so dire And if we have any hope of restoring like good governance that's not corrupt and Aggressively advocates and protects individual rights and freedoms. It's going to come from fathers Being strong fathers leading their families raising healthy children not abusing them Like we're not we're not we're humanity is not going down the toilet So it's not so this is going to happen so we can either have it This is this is the point i was going to make before actually and i got i got waylaid We can either have it nicely so people like ronda sanchez can go. Hey guys We're gonna we're gonna move now the other way and we're gonna be sensible again or you can have not as Total psychopaths who will really overcome you said white people will will say nothing and then snap That's what i'm scared of i would rather do the ronda sanchez thing of being like, okay Everybody let's just let's just move in the right direction. There's going to be a lot of hysteria There's going to be a lot of screaming a lot of complaining and people with blue hair tearing the blue hair out and tearing the septum piercings out We have to let that happen Otherwise if it gets bad I would be yeah, I I I heard the implication of what you just said and i'm very worried about that because The united kingdom and america i'll speak to the countries that i have an investment in and that i know well are majority white countries and I I'll just leave it i'll just leave it at that people can you know do their own mathematics inside their head I'm not for war. I'm not for violence. I hate violence. I don't like conflict I think we're all adults. This could be a beautiful world. It's the garden of Eden We've so much wonderful stuff here We don't need to waste our time killing each other and gouging each other's eyes out when we could be dancing and fucking instead Yeah, i'm all i'm all about it, man yeah, and it's uh Like you said, it's going to be a lot of hysteria and people pulling things their hair out of their head and screaming but That is a much better option and i'd like to see that too But i'm okay with whatever happens at this point. I'm I have a preference for what happens, but i'm just kind of indifferent Uh, because it what matters to me is in is human life number one as as a value is a standard of value Uh, that's where my philosophy morally comes from and philosophically is individual human life first and foremost And directly just like the declaration of independence. How does it how does it state the rights life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Now those are rights. Those aren't values. That's there's different. There's a conceptual difference there But freedom individual freedom follows that directly and that's what these governments should protect life The right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness And they need to do they need to do that or we're going to make them do that Like on my speech in 2021 for example state of the manisphere I said something that people really loved and people were going kind of hatred for I said, you know, basically like i'm an american and you're going to leave me alone Or i'm going to make you leave me alone That's how this relationship is going to work going forward because it's an abusive relationship and this is how you handle bullies You're going to leave me alone or i'm going to make you leave me alone There's there's no other those With the logo don't tread on me underneath it. Yes. Yes Dude my country was founded like I got I got a lot of love for you man hundred percent But you know as well as I do my country was founded shooting lobster backs British people killing them We didn't talk that we tried talking to you and we tried making you go away And then you didn't want to leave so we just fucking started killing you Like that's that's the history of my country And if you don't fucking sort your country out, we'll be back to take it over This is something I said to you a couple of years ago. I think the what I think it was during the riots I was like the one thing america needs now is a good external enemy And I think the brit should do the right thing put the powdered wigs on put the red coats on and go to bathe again Just so you feel like a unified america all over again Yep But I think florida like I said too has a lot of this attitude both politically as you see but also like as a place And as a culture and a geography and I actually think the geography is part of what um Like I've written a little bit about this in blog posts and newsletters, but I really mean it That the geography of florida is like extra american And that's why they call us the people the meme in america is that floridians are crazy Like we're the crazy floridians and whatever. I had the crazy florida man. This is nonsense We're just like more american than you now texans would probably disagree and they might get Offensive offended by that. I don't care. Good for them. They can go do their texas thing But I love florida is so savagely american. There's even I remember even in a tv show you probably heard of it What is it the handmaid's tale that's like hyper ultra feminist show is hysterical The first episode is amazing because it's like every feminist nightmare Put into a tv show with a high production budget and value. It's amazing And what's interesting is that the florida uh in america goes through some sort of civil war and New government takes over and it's it's pretty well done. Anyway, it's a show But the florida people the florida men are the last men to hold out in the civil war They're literally that's how they portray them and that to me is so florida now We would win of course we wouldn't lose like in the show but spoiler alert But it's it's a very wild place and my childhood man really, uh I think it's part of what drives my And i'm fortunate because I think this is how human beings everywhere should live Narcissistically perhaps right or some people might accuse me of anyway But this this uh push towards individual freedom You know minimal government. There was no government, you know I'm a water in florida. There's cops, but they're very very rare. There's like no It's just very wild like you're very you have to be very self-responsive about to take care of yourself on a boat Or you can die like drown. I think I think we can assert that there's something natural and biological to that stance It's like asserting that there's something natural and biological to humanity We are most of us the overwhelming majority the product of heterosexual union for example When we were raised and weren't left to die out in the cold It's because we had a mommy and a daddy that kept us fed. Maybe not you maybe not me, but the most of the generations before That unit does not need government intervention That unit does not need authority figures filling in the gaps on their parenting or teaching their kids about sex Or medicalizing their children because that's what the authority of the parents inside the nuclear family would do So I think we can state that the type of thing you're talking about actually has What the Weinstein's maybe would say is there's a good evolutionary match or a poor evolutionary match So there's a political system That's actually a good evolutionary match for the human animal that we are today and that would include Yeah, absolutely like a nuclear family I think there's room for everybody in the world if you're into this kink that kink this friends that friends I don't care. It's nothing to do with me. But the fact is the eight billion of us are here 99.999 percent of us are here because of heterosexual union and we survive childhood Because one or both parents had their shit together enough to keep feeding us to not to let us get run over or eat by a fucking lion And off it's not that complicated man Yep, we'll put now. I want to actually, you know get off politics because I think uh, both of us have an We did 41 minutes there. Sorry la Well, some of it was also about, uh, I mean I look at your savagery and your increased Aggressiveness and your personality. I love it. And I don't think that's entirely political. A lot of it. I think is much more Based in psychology and culture and that that range of issues that you're focusing on Because you see also how they connected these other domains and I'm all about that I think everything philosophically is connected. Basically, whether it's more morality epistemology Abusive relationships and how that affects your personality and psychology Metaphysics even politics art, right art things like that But I do want to move off it and talk about more cptst issues because a lot of the fans of my channel They're not recently we put out some videos of you that actually did really well. I appreciate you sharing them too But that was one of the first times they'd seen a video of you on the channel At least in a few months, you know, six months or something like that and we're always growing So I want to talk about that So first of all, this is an ad I made for the chorus which I love and everyone loves it Um, so you didn't make this but I made it and I think it I think it uh, it's really funny and And just wild so it's you know, it's alien putting her You know, whatever the fuck that is on alien Mouth demon animal through the back of a man's skull Yeah, yeah, does this look like your last relationship? You're not alone. Richard gran and cptst masterclass is here to help only at 21 university But talk to me about I mean first of all, what do you think of this ad because I didn't get your approval for this I just kind of did it and I was like, he'll probably think this is fine I'm so hopelessly addicted to narcissistic psychopathic predatory women that I think that alien girl looks kind of hot I actually probably yeah, look at that. Look at the curve right there. I mean, she's sexy once Sexy woman. Yeah That's funny. Hold that tail. Um, I think it's good I think one of the things mate is I think Uh, the comment before about me being a stuffy online, uh, therapist. I mean, I'm not a therapist. I've never really been stuffy I've always made stupid jokes and and whatever trying to keep things light with for people But I I I understand that I've changed my style A little bit as as I've grown as a as a man as a human being And I like that because it's funny Now most people think childhood trauma isn't funny or cptst isn't funny But actually those of us who experience childhood trauma those of us have like cptst and some pretty serious psychological issues as a result of it You were raised in chaos. I was raised in chaos. We have this kind of a sense of humor and I think there's this sort of feeling like no, you must It's disrespectful. You have to be like this Well, I just got my buck done and they were doing the cover and they said what do you want on a cover? And I said whatever you do Don't put a woman in a cardigan in a summer dress in a field of wheat with a sunset And don't put the word journey in the fucking title Make it dark make it look like a steven king's thriller anything but that You know the flavor it's so It's so bland and vanilla and neutral that everything in psychology and therapy should be why you're not bland You're not neutral. I'm not bland. I'm not neutral Why do we have to take all the flavor and the funk out of everything because we're talking psychology and it's serious? Well Is it serious? I mean, yeah life sucks. It fucking hurts. It always did life on earth is dramatic It always was If you go to any country where they've experienced serious trauma like you go to the Balkans Their sense of humor is dark man. The russian the russians russians, too You hear the jokes they tell about the siege of sarajevo and it's against themselves This is bolivian's telling jokes against themselves. Well, it's like the old There's an old russian joke and it's well at least a meme. I've seen it says dark humor for russians is like food You don't get any you don't get it So so I like I like the advert and I think CPTSD is so rife now Narcissistic the abusive relationships are so rampant now. It's just out of control. We're really in a pandemic of that Like we've got to reach more people and if everything is bland and dour and not funny and has no color Some people just won't even tune in mate. You know yourself. They'll just be like, you know, you will read the books That's why I respect you is because when you say you read a book You didn't just listen to it on an audiobook for 20 minutes You mean you read the fucker from cover to get you read more books on this than I have And you read them quicker than I do paper paper books, man real books Real physical books a book book a book book double double book So so like I just think for most people though, they won't do that and so Even as I'm moving forward, I'm going to try and use less technical language Apart from anything else. I don't think it actually massively helps people to hear a load of technical language And it can turn a lot of people off. So that advert. I love that. I thought it was really funny Thanks, man, and I appreciate your sense of humor for it too And I I do wonder if it's because we have our own traumatic histories That opened up the window for this kind of dark humor, but I do think it's healthy in that every Whether or not you had a traumatic background as an emotionally mature adult male or female You should have a taste and a respect for variations of humor Whether it's a standard comic or talking about a serious issue Um, you can go too far with it for sure But that the range of not going too far is really wide and these people that these these stuffy banal Uptight fucking wasps in america and around. I hate I hate these people. Yeah, they're losers They're they are whether conservative or liberal or whatever the fuck like people You know, I wrote a whole newsletter yesterday that people love people or text to me about it on my phone I know a newsletter is good or something or a video is good Like I put out a view when people text my personal cell phone. That's that this is not even like widely known I don't I don't put my cell phone number on fucking twitter. Right people text me. Oh, I fucking loved your newsletter. I'm like, oh great and The whole newsletter was called conservatives or frauds That was the subject line, right? And then I went into that and I ripped conservatives a new asshole Um, anyway, yeah, because a lot of them are just stuffy Beta male frauds and they're no better than a limousine liberals that they call hypocrites It's they they pretend it. I mean one of the things I pointed out is that, you know I think liberals in america. Anyway, these limousine liberals these whatever, right? They're actually they are hypocrites, right? Like the right calls them out all the time Hypocrite hypocrisy. Oh double standards. Isn't that right? Well, that doesn't matter to them because they're actually more philosophically consistent because they don't pretend to care about hypocrisy These motherfuckers do these conservative beta males. You're a hypocrite It's like motherfucker, you're a hypocrite too But you pretend to care about it making you a double hypocrite. You're a double the fraud They're a fraud they're a fraud you're right They're hypocrite and you're pretending to not be hypocrite because you're a fucking pussy And a beta male and you're ideologically driven in ways that you're concealing Which makes me fucking hate you because you're a fraud and you're a piece of shit in your anti-reality And I think Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're on the money there. So there's a couple of things one is There is no political side that owns this Anti-reality element that's crept into everything. That's right where the store the story trumps the reality or the feeling trumps the data It's that that that we will not progress as a society We're not gonna fucking progress if we keep up with that that cannot be hyper normalized that you're gonna You're gonna put forward a story over reality or you're gonna choose emotions over facts Like there's no future in that that that is a society that is a civilization and collapse 100% I will defend that statement to the death that is that is an indication of a society and collapse The second thing is the social media mindset. It's all about follows and likes So of course then you're in training your brains to be like basically A pandora. We're all pandering. We're all fornic. We're all codependent with our audience. Yes Just tell them what they like a woman a woman a woman and a person But you're right and I fucking hate that about that's this is one of the things I hate about social media in general is all the And I'm not only against this I What I try to do with my internet Brands and personality or whatever you want to call it whether it's the business one or the personal and I do a couple You know both I try to get it people to hate me usually like how many like fuck the likes and all this bullshit I want the down votes If it's reality based and there's and there's a a truth purpose to it It's not it's usually not as random But this is why I make the memes that I do I'm like how how How aggressive and super intense can I make this meme while still respecting and advocating for the truth? How how many times can I twist the knife and these people's heads to make them crazy? And I love it as long as it's true with Jordan Peterson. It's been fucking wonderful He has the biggest collection of codependence simps. These little codependent lobsters. I've ever seen So it's endlessly funny to me to make these people hate me because they are not By codependency, Anthony depends what you mean Depends about the metaphysical connection to the ontology of the teleology of epistemology of the moral philosophy Of the lobsters and the dominant hierarchy. Don't you understand? What a postmodernist. He socially deconstructs everything everything. He cannot answer the question What's your favorite topping on pizza without being like well, it depends what you mean, baby? That's pure Modernism Yep It's not like he hasn't done, you know positive things In culture people misinterpret, you know my criticisms of them I like a lot of his his former dunking. He used to do on feminist and stuff great He's he's great. Long may he continue, but he's but he's but he's lost. He's lost Yeah, he's not god and I think he's very lost I think he's a man who's he basically just constant like you're saying, you know over he constructs things But he also just constantly regurgitate so other people believe and he has no he even talks about I have a few videos we can see him say this and his fans would know it He's like, you know, my philosophy if there is one and it's like no, you clearly don't have your own philosophy You just regurgitate what a thousand other philosophers have said and you don't distill it into your own original thinking Or very rarely do you do that? You're always leaning on these other people You don't think for yourself and you can't articulate it from an original position He's he's someone who's read too much and knows too little I think I think like As as as far as that goes there's a very I mean if you go down this route, you'll have Jordan Peterson I it's jumping up and down all over you with as much vehemence as any radical leftist Feminist now I feed off of the hate. I love it, you know But but there does have to be a conversation Just just well my personal opinion we say, okay What what does this man actually believe? Or is he very cleverly? Making good assessments about what people need to hear at a certain moment in time Because that's not useless. That's not a useless ability to be like Wow, what does the culture really need what, you know, he was a university professor He's surrounded by young male students who are completely lost and depressed and he was like, well They probably need some order and a burden and a responsibility and he got it right. That's actually correct Clean your room clean your room. Yeah room. That doesn't mean the same dude then has the solution Just because he's ascertained what the problem is Very often the people who are good at ascertaining what the problems are are not the same people who provide us with the solutions That's not how culture has worked for millennia. Some people are problem spotters. Some people are solution givers It's like, um, the difference between him and slab boy Zizek though is Zizek knows this Zizek knows that he's not a provider of solutions and he'll openly say look, I'm a philosopher I'm not here to give you answers. I'm here to help you construct better questions Peterson is a little more in love with his own image and he's like, well, yes I can tell you the truth as well in it and then at that point it seems to go vague in a vague way It leans very biblical. It becomes very Judeo-Christian and I'm not I'm not for against that. I'm just like, but why why that why isn't it and ran does you say or or buddhism or Brahma Why not and it does feel sometimes like a river reach He knows what the problem is Doesn't really know what the solution is but instead of having the humility to go. Well, I don't really know He'll just say this is this is the light the truth in the way when I think Based on his own life And how old he was when he you know got back involved in in drugs and he's clearly struggling with with depression Maybe just lean out. We don't need you to be that jp We're cool with you just being a philosopher and just It's I think the criticism comes when you start pretending you can do things and you have answers that you don't have That that's a problem. Yeah I want to upload an image real quick to review Uh, the Peterson fiasco one moment Technical difficulties fam Where is this? Yeah, he's a beta male drug addict is what I call him anyway, uh He was he was deliberately mixing adderol and pink and let's go go ahead. Sorry. Do you see this image loaded up? Why are you so mean? The photo no, no, look the beta male stamp on his forehead. I did that we did that I had my guy do that but the makeup is real. I didn't do that That's a real photo that mackayla posted of her father in drag makeup And then this is mackayla. We put the pink hat on her. That's it though. The rest of that is a That's not photoshop. That's a real baby That's her baby Jordan's grandbaby on the bed on the floor in the background with her half naked 80 naked mother in front of her with a camel toe I mean this is this on instagram Yes, she ended up taking it down and her dad liked it the real photo you can see he liked it I'm like, this is this is your daughter and your granddaughter. Like what the fuck man This is a dude like like man. I went to college. You know like you did a long time ago And if a girl has a bed on the floor doesn't even have a box spring I mean, it's literally just a mattress on the ground. That's a major ho hoage, man. That's some garden tool Extraordinaire shit going on there. Are you kidding me? I mean and then posting like naked like this like dude, this is not And this is this is these are the people these are the conservatives, you know, they're not technically conservative At least Jordan's not right. He claims he's not Um, different he it claims to be liberal, you know, he's kind of like he used to work for the un He admitted that recently on twitter, uh, which is a globalist feminist shithole of an organization But these are these are the people that conservatives are their heroes, right? Oh, these are my heroes based based Jordan Peterson In drag makeup really this is your base fucking truth teller You know what he struggles with most I found videos were in as recently as like 2020 They ask him on these big tv shows and stuff, you know What what rule do you struggle with most from the 12 rules to life and whatever? Right the first book and he goes immediately he jumps to telling the truth. That's what he struggles with telling he goes Telling the truth honesty or at least be at least don't be dishonest or something It's like dude You're a public fucking intellectual and the number one thing you struggle with at 60 years old is telling the truth What the fuck have you been doing for the past 60 years, man? Do you this should be the easiest thing for you to do is tell the fucking truth That's your fucking job This is like a plumber who's like, you know, I struggle with most is indoor plumbing And this is the daughter he raises man This is what's going to happen to the granddaughter Is anybody thinking 20 years from now what that baby is going to be doing? I feel bad. It's a funny situation, but it I feel bad for the kid. Look how the daughter turned out How's the daughter granddaughter going to turn out? This is a disaster This is no longer an interview. I'm just an audience member to the roast of Jordan Peterson by Anthony Johnson I can't You're like you made the first I pinned your comment on that video. I loved it Because I love also here comes Richard granite jumping in with the with the whiplash There's a whole there's a whole uh, there's a whole stand-up bit that you could do. Oh, yeah My whiplash thing was uh him saying just get the damn vaccine and uh, what what did he say? Suspend judgment for six months. So turn off your critical thinking Suspend judgment for six months. Get the damn vaccine and then six months later He was like captain libertarian savior of the american truckers. Yeah, man. Come on He's a flip flopper. He's a flip flopper. He's a politician basically Yeah, that was too too much for me to and then the people in your comments were like no He never said that I posted a video of him saying it and they went okay. He said it, but he didn't mean it Yep All right No, they're they're people Jordan is not I want to make it clear that in my criticisms of Jordan and I think you would agree I think you would agree. Anyway, I've never got the sense that he's malevolent or malicious. He's not that kind of So I'll call him like a beta male fraud and stuff, but I don't mean it in any kind of like Uh predatory way even though his fans are codependent and it's a lot of to me It's his giant disaster of codependent lobster simps and that's a thing But he's different from someone like a roll of tomasi who I think is much more malevolent and predatory and stuff Yeah, it's different. Jordan is a bumbling kind of buffoon I think oh, that's what I was going to say when you said malevolent the adjective that came to my mind There's no preposterous like it's his posturing on some things is frankly preposterous, but it's not This is a guy who's lived a fairly privileged life. I mean, it's hard for us. You're an entrepreneur. I'm an entrepreneur The academic world is You know, it's a soft and gentle Insulated and insular place a lot of respect is afforded to professors And he's a public intellectual and he's a writer. So he's not this is not nobody's claiming this is a dude with edge Or well, sorry, some people do because they're they're completely brainwashed, but he's not he's not He's not an experienced guy. He's not a worldly man. And this is when he talks about women and he talks about Relationships and his wife and his daughter. You get that sense. Like he's not a very worldly guy. He's been in the system since he was 20 and now he's 60 so it's 40 years like he's been in that system for a lot nearly as long as I've been alive you know, so It's uh, it makes sense to me that he's a little bit that way, but no malevolent No, I don't think he's malevolent at all And I don't all of our criticism and roasting of him should stop at the point where people think we're saying no He's a bad person. No, but if you follow him blindly, there will be bad consequences for you. Absolutely Yes, I agree 100 particularly in the last part with the blindly people accuse me sometimes of saying like, uh I'll criticize Jordan or I'll criticize Christianity Or some other religion and like, oh, you want you want me to follow you blindly? I'm like, no, you've actually missed the entire fucking point. Not only do I not want you to follow me blindly I really mean that it's not a lark. It's not because some people say it like the fraud father Let's say these things like, oh, I want you to be free and they don't really mean it It's a way to rope people in it's bait and switch I really mean this 100 000 million percent and if you follow me blindly, I'm gonna make fun of you That's how far I'll take this. I will personally Roast your ass Only will I not be your cult leader. I'm gonna fucking mock you for being an idiot. What's to do it You because you've completely missed the point of everything that I've ever said And everything I've ever done through my work with 21 convention and 21 studios and the red man group I really want you to think for yourself and lead your own life and make your own decisions and trust your own judgment And if you don't do that, you're a fucking idiot and I'm gonna make fun of you I'm gonna screenshot it and roast your ass and use you as cannon fodder to make you cry until you fucking listen This is what men used to do ladies and gentlemen This was what we were normally allowed to do before it became potentially incorrect And this is how men corrected other men through mockery through mockery when you do when you're in like worlds like Little enclosures of masculinity like boxing mma nightclub security I guess inside the manosphere as well. You still see it, but it's a dying art form What a wonderful way to regulate each other's behavior And so ask each other to do better. We just need to do better Yeah, we do need to do better. We need to make fun of more beta mouse in fronds Yeah, my newsletter about yesterday too, I talked about In relation to this cracking skulls in the manosphere since 2019 where I became much more public about Opposition to frauds and predation, you know, there's in the manosphere community and industry manus for ink I call it now like conservative ink There's a there's a grassroots side and there's a commercial side and that's always been the case But I think the commercial side has gotten increasingly predatory and malicious in some ways In the past five to six years something like that And I'm not okay with and I want it to end. I don't want to stop it Yeah, I I agree. I think it's a just cause. I think it's a just cause because Where that you have people who are predators who saying they care about men You actually care about men. Yes. And a lot of men won't they won't see that All they'll see is like you're roasting their heroes and then they'll hate you for it And they're not they're not going that one logical step next which is to say, well, why is this guy doing this? Yep, Anthony's the one who cares about many doesn't want you to be a cult Oh, so I should I should attach my umbilical cord to to Anthony. No, that's not going to work either Yes, you have to stand up on your own two fucking feet And a lot of people are so resistant to that that you know, I've accepted there's a ton of people who are just never going to get that And I'm not I'm not I'm not on a mission. I'm just like get it. Don't get it. You know, whatever man It's it's it's it's up to everybody to figure it out. Yeah, I agree Yeah, and there's just so many people that you're like they won't get it But you just have to say it anyway, like I know when I do when I roast their hero There's just going to be so much backlash Even in the most overwhelming case with evidence if I do a documentary like a really I go above and beyond You're still going to have 20 minimum of people minimum. That's what that's when you succeed That's when you knock it out of the park You still have 20 who are just absolutely attached at the like an umbilical cord to this individual Because that person and I I have some empathy in a way or at least understanding That they are attached to that that individual psychologically Almost like in a in a survival way, like this is their father. I'm attacking my I might as well be attacking their own mother and father Yes, you are you are in effect. And I think your analysis is exactly correct. That's the correct way to Understand the vociferousness of the of the defenses. These people have attached to their gurus as Uh primary objects as primary caretakers literal mothers and fathers And there is a survival element to that you kill my dad. You're kind of killing me They're also Heavily heavily dependent social media and internet users These are the people who'll be using their phones and their internet 10 12 hours a day And so they're very dependent on that external figure to regulate their own emotions. So you're attacking them really is a threat It really really is going to damage the quality of their lives to you. You're thinking well What difference does it fucking make just get them with your day go go to work It should you should be thinking about this for no more than 15 minutes But for some people that actually does ruin their day because they're that fragile and that dependent Yeah, and I go after him too. I mean the memes I make as you know are really intense I just don't stop And then uh, this is a great one too. I mean, I'll literally take someone's father figure I'm going to pull it up and you know, I'll behead them or I'll have someone else behead them Or where's my favorite one? Hang on a second. Um, I know your fans will see this and they'll find this very interesting. Fuck where'd it go? I'll turn him into the creep keeper. You know, it's a good one But hang on a second. Who was who did aberrant preach behead on that last one? I couldn't see that because the sun was Oh, oh, we oh, we did that one for sure. Yeah Oh, cool Was it okay? Was that them beheading somebody or was that them being beheaded? That was them beheading fresh and fit. Uh, one of the guys Oh fat and fish. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Oh, this one is of me. This is where I behead The con event I call him donna donna shark Uh, this is great. So I this is someone this is for a lot of guys This is he's not as high level as the fraud father But he was like an underboss to the fraud father and I just behead this guy on a meme And I did that with the fraud father as well. I just I just have no, uh There's just no When I when I see that this is going to be true and it's going to like rile these people up And it's going to really mess with them. I'm just like go for it to my guy who may I don't make all these This one I can't make if it's really good artistically. I didn't make it So these ones are Don't you understand politics, Anthony? You got to politic your way around and make your money and you know, I understand politics I'm like a bull in a china shop like a bulldozer. I'm like just destroy them This is florida man politics. Yes Trump is too nice. Trump's two glocks blazing. Yeah, trump is too nice, man I mean trump at his meanest is where he needs to be at like all the time in my view It's where he should have been and where he should go back to And ronda santis, you know, I love him But I hope that like me and you that as as he ages and matures and continues his growth as a human being and a leader That he will get more and more savage and more and more intense To the extent that it's useful if it becomes counterproductive, of course cut back on it But I think there's a lot of room for him to grow there and that he will and that he has There is he's still young. He's three years younger than me, mate. He's he's uh, he's He's 41. He's 41. Yeah, he will he's he'll It'll come it's going to come It'll come commensurate with the environment because this isn't over the environment's going to get Crazier and crazier and crazier and as that happens the support for a stronger and stronger message will come I just want to reiterate. I don't want the I don't want there to be a heavy harsh backlash to this I'd like a nice smooth-ish transition back to sanity and back to reality Yeah, I would like that too So I want to talk more about uh cpt sd in particular because as much as it's a basic You know fodder for you at this point a lot of my fans at 21 studios don't know what that is They've seen bits and pieces of it and videos are put out But to me, it's probably the most useful concept that created in the past several decades in psychology To actually help people understand their trauma and help people heal And this is the book complex ptsd that you reference a lot Comics ptsd from surviving the thriving by mr. Pete Walker Some people accuse you do it's so funny and putting out your videos And then you share them because people who hate follow you. They don't like you They just follow you because they hate you or whatever, right? They come on my channel then and they drop the nastiest fucking comments about you like they do about me on my channel I'm us cracking up. I'm like this is he must have this on his own channel a lot But can you talk to me about the haters as well as complex ptsd and why this is mentioned understand this I I don't know why anybody do people say that they hate Pete Walker or They say they they say that you're stealing from him and I'm like he's not stealing from him He gives him due credit on a frequent occasion Yeah, no, I have a I have a relationship with with Pete Walker. I mean we email each other. He's he's just written Uh, what do you call it like a blurb for my book that's coming out? Um, no, and he's referenced in the book a reference You can't you can't drive somebody's book sales as much as I have in europe and then turn around and say No, you're a thief. That's that's insane. Um, but do they also accuse you they also accuse you though They're like richards a narcissistic psychopath Like they're like he is the narcissist. I'm like, no you people are stupid I'm sure rich. I'm sure these are questions. You probably contemplate. Um, I know I have and I think everybody as a public figure Anybody is attracted a lot of attention and hate and vitriol and support you consider these things But I've met you and I know you and you're not these these these comments are delusional But they're funny because they're so wrong Well, there's there's there's two there's two factors. I think that it's it's not very realistically correct to talk about it But there's a couple of factors that drive this kind of thing um The the most charitable way I could put it is some people are too stupid to understand these personality disorders with I don't know another way of saying they don't have the intellectual software or hardware to get their heads around it It's it's way more complicated than people would like it to be and The accusation oh, he's a narcissist. Oh, she's a psychopath is like for for dumb people or or maybe not even dumb but like Of middling intelligence. They kind of go. Yeah, I know what it is and you go, okay What are the nine traits from the dsm of narcissism? I don't need to read that Well, then how do you how are you gonna tell me you know what it is? Well, I don't believe in psychiatry So why the fuck are you using a psychiatric term dumb ass? Do you have something else? So people want the quick cheap authority of a complicated nuanced psychiatric model for what is essentially a defense mechanism to PTSD But they don't want to have to bother their asses to read what it means. They just want to say it So it's an IQ issue sometimes and the second factor is Some of the people who you run into online are seriously mentally ill I mean, some of them are in and out of institutions. They're on very powerful psychotic drugs and I think the right way to approach this is to be Uh, compassionate To a degree, but also very boundary. So I anything like that. I would just block just delete it block it You know, I have followers who will then fight with these people online and I'm like, what are you doing? There's no Good outcome here that like the person you're talking to is not going to go. You know what? You're right. I'm being unfair. I'm being no that's never going to happen Don't ruin your day. Just like delete it block it or unfollow the person or or whatever it is But yeah, the the that book And the cpt st model is has been a watershed moment in my understanding of psychology the same as you It's a read originally cpt st is originally judith herman's model. She came up with it in 1992 particularly when she was I think she was comparing the effects on combat veterans and Uh, children who were raised in abusive environments and found that there was some overlaps Very very a useful view If I could break it down into something that is unpardonably brutally simple It would be something like this when there is ptsd We have a singular event or events And largely speaking the client can remember the event. They're like I feel fear when I drive the car Because I got car jacked so you go, okay You remember the event you have visual memories. You have olfactory memories You have kinesthetic memories or three memories and the trigger is something specific that relates to the event And then we have a predictable Emotional response and we can say that the person can flashback So a veteran flashbacking a ptsd flashback Is I was attacked inside of a white van and then every time I see a white van I relive I go through that memory really really quickly and relive those same emotions. That's ptsd This is really rough and I apologize, but this is this is the probably a good grounding for understanding it complex post-traumatic stress Is complex in the trigger in the traumatization and in the recollection all these things are complex as opposed to ptsd Which is moderately simple. So what does it require to have complex ptsd? Usually you need to be in a situation. You can't escape it goes on for a long period of time so that it can have a chance to really lay down new neural pathways and and Effectively change the brain and change the physiology. You cannot be able to escape You can't fight your way out of it. You can't run your way out of it. You're stuck You mean like brainwashing you're getting kind of warped Yeah, pretty much. It can be yeah, it can be well Even if there's no intention to brainwash you cptsd always brain washes you actually you're right with what you said Even if there's not a person there To brainwash you like the environment could give you cptsd Like if you it was the end of the world And you were trapped In the remnants of miami having to forage for food and fighting off wild alligators That would give you cptsd and you'd be brainwashed by that experience But nobody's there to brainwash you as such So the the the trauma is multiple. There's multiple ongoing trauma in the heart That can interject and that's because your brain is and your body are trying to adapt to keep you alive to survive If you're trying to survive a complex Traumatic dangerous situation at least your brain interprets that it's dangerous And if you don't adapt and survive you're gonna die or you think you're gonna die Yes Yes, and that that's essential. So the The the force to adaptation to stress is essential and the fear of death is is is pretty much essential. So War veterans political prisoners and you say well, does the victims of childhood abuse fear death? Yes, even if the parents is not threatening to kill them Because we as children are so dependent on parents and adults if they attack us We think we might die and the adrenal hormonal response is the same. So yeah, you're right with what you say Well, it's also super confusing because your parents are supposed to protect you So now you're creating the there's a couple books. I've read the talk about the split this creates in your mind And that's why maybe this is possibly where things like bipolar to sort of come from and more specific issues where you're You're emotionally dysregulated and you swing back and forth Because your parents would swing from protecting you to assaulting you and that was my experience 100% As you know, we talked about my history like it's wild Which is which is a classic scenario for creating CPTSD and PTSD CPTSD typically goes hand in hand with PTSD and bipolar. So you very rarely find them to be completely separate But talk about people who've been raised or been stuck in environments. They've been very very painful There's multiple triggers. There's multiple reactions with complex PTSD versus PTSD Typically, we would diagnose CPTSD not PTSD if the client can't recollect the traumatic incident. So there's no There's no Moment of oh, I was attacked in a white van on a Monday morning on my way to work It's an ongoing series of humiliations and boundary breaks and And terror inductions and so on and so forth That you you have no one specific incident that you can remember So when you flash back instead of reliving the time you were attacked in the white van There's no visual auditory memory there There's just the feeling the somatic feeling in the body of being terrified of being helpless And all of the emotions that would go with that perhaps rage, perhaps sadness, perhaps guilt or whatever and so that's the complex side of it It was induced in a complex way and it's experienced in a complex way and doing therapy for it is is is pretty hard as well It's quite a bit more complex than PTSD because Even identifying where the trauma is is a lot harder A very very crude way of comparing it would be like to say look at the damage done to a body by like a Single round a high caliber round versus a couple of shotgun blasts You now have pieces of shrapnel that have spun through the the soft tissue in multiple directions At the same time digging that out is going to be a little bit more complicated Yeah, 100 and we'll put we'll put I wanted to show off another book as well The body keeps the score This is a book written by a psychiatrist There you go Bessel van der Kolk md. He lives in america, but I think he's german or something Uh great book and he actually talks about the history should be dutch should be dutch whether I invite that he might be dutch Yeah Anyway, it's another book that uh, he does mention cpt st Well, number one is this a great book in general for understanding trauma and healing from it's a very helpful book But also he talks about the history of cpt st And he actually was one of the ones who tried At least once maybe twice to get it put in the dsm And he ran into a lot of uh, basically corruption and bureaucracy that wanted to stop that Because it does need to be added. It's like ptsd was eventually added that took a long time. It was controversial But I think it's a for example, too I don't know if you agree with this, but I think cpt st It's really moved me away from using The cluster b spectrum to describe people and abusers and realize that these people also cpt st That not only is not healed or not resolved or was never resolved mostly or completely But it's spun into specific behavior patterns that are abusive That we can then if you want For insurance purposes or your own insult purposes or whatever you can throw these at people psychopath narcissist sociopath Historonic hpd like all this crap, but really, you know, my ex-wife was a famous example There's a viral speech on it madusa But look and I was very much in the pro cpt or a pro cluster b Category intellectually back then when I was studying psychology I was like the first time I really cared about it because it was like and now it was an issue that affected my life so directly I was like, holy fuck And it led to whole awakening too looking. That's how I found you eventually But anyway, cpt st is a much more realistic model I think of looking even at the nastiest of people that are abusive assholes It's like all right. This person was probably traumatized didn't heal from it And that is now a lifelong pattern that they just chose not to heal and they probably never will At least you can understand that someone, you know was involved with that too. This doesn't mean they're not responsible for it though No, well that that I mean, that's a that's a whole topic there. Whereas our Responsibility when it comes to mental health issues and I'm in the camp that says having a mental health issue doesn't absolve Your moral responsibility very rarely extremely rarely. Um, and that's We won't get sidetracked back into the Political debate again, but that is part of the left-wing ideology that in fact psychotherapy is There is a lot of absolution of guilt that goes on that shouldn't go on There's a lot of dodging of responsibility that goes on that that shouldn't go on. It's just not justified Everybody has mental health issues. That doesn't mean you go around killing people or assaulting them or rape them or stealing from them Um, what you've just said Is what sam vaknen professor sam vaknen is now talking about and this guy is a diagnosed psychopath as you know diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder has written bestselling books on the subject of narcissistic personality disorder plus release multiple papers and he's saying that That it's a response to ptsd. It's a response to see ptsd And that that is how it should be understood And according to some conversations I had with him recently in Prague He said that actually there is a movement within mainstream psychology That's moving in that direction that would mean that yes The whole view of personality disorders would change the whole view of mental health would change And if cptsd was accepted more broadly into the mainstream, we would have a much more nuanced view Of what these things are and a much better chance of treating them than we do now Like I think shan, I think shan smith a friend of ours, you know, dr shan smith psychologist If i'm if I can paraphrase him 100 percent agree if i'm paraphrasing him correctly, um Basically he thinks that you know cluster b disorders and stuff a lot of the personality disorders in general A lot of it's very cartoonish and it's insurance driven basically and cptsd Not I don't know if he would agree with this specific part But I think cptsd is a much more realistic model like you're saying nuanced for understanding people and personality disorders It's like all right, you think you want to put an acronym on them good for you hbd or bpd It's like what that really means is they had you know Someone fucking less of them for fucking five years as a kid and they never healed that and now they're hypersexual or whatever Yeah Yeah, no, I I I agree with them 100 with that one. I think I think And and it's it's it's not mainstream psychology But many psychologists many mainstream academic psychologists even though it's not the consensus view would agree exactly with that which is that It's a criticism that's more often made of borderline personality disorder as a diagnosis than narcissism, which is like there's something cartoonish about this. There's something It's almost it's almost more stigma than diagnosis at this point and really Borderline personality disorder is that one disorder beyond narcissism even where we really have to ask Very hard questions about the discrete boundary between cptsd and this thing that we call bpd Because they are so similar and they overlap in so many Critical and crucial ways Again would be a driving force. I know that juda thurman is pushing for it as well. She wants to change She wants to integrate cptsd back into the borderline personality disorder diagnosis and call it Emotional dysregulation, but to the broader point that you made. Yeah, there's something cartoonish about all of this I've always said that about narcissism and the way people talk about narcissism. It's When it's spoken about online Particularly, I can't help but think Of christian bale playing either bruce wane or patrick bateman Driving around in a tuxedo snorting cocaine in a red sports car killing prostitutes with a chainsaw. There's something There's something film like it's a trope. It's a cliche Not saying that there aren't bad people out there There's terrible terrible human evil exists. Wow. What a what a claim But the way it's described is kind of Goofy it's it's a little goofy and it's a little bit Over the top and at some point you have to say well Is this diagnosis helping us? Is it helping the clients? Is it helping the clinician or is it actually boxing us in? and I think that's where To echo shorn smith's point that you just told me there cptsd is just a much more adult and nuanced view of these things yeah Yeah, it helps people realize too that they're not crazy that like childhood trauma is a serious issue And I think you mentioned hollywood, you know, we're talking about you know, they cartoonize it and it's kind of ridiculous But I think one of the downsides of that is that people don't take I didn't for sure as a particularly for men They don't take childhood trauma seriously And it took it took a very traumatic experience in my life in my 20s with the you know relationship Catastrophe which was a world shattering event. Um, as shalom would call it that woke me up to things about male-female relationships the red pill but also Uh, psychopathology and then even my own like what did I need to heal and look into who did I need to study richard granon beat walker Bessel banner coke shorn smith all these people all of you guys I love that you put that you put my name in amongst those. That's great always. Yeah Always these guys are all right. They're like phd's or md's You're doing something that they're not though you're popularizing it and communicating it to a huge massive people When they don't have it takes a specific kind of personality and charisma to do that and you have that and I don't in some ways they do like shawn has succeeded on youtube somebody Speeches as you've given it But he's primarily clinical psychologist. He practices his stuff in real life And that's where most of his time and attention goes And then speaking and being an author. This is secondary to him with p walker. I imagine it's pretty similar He tries to write books He was he does or did clinical practice But he's not a you know, no homo, but you know, a young funny attractive YouTube personality that can communicate effectively to a lot of women and a lot of men and you're across I don't know how much the political spectrum, but you seem to be able to Communicate effectively to a lot of different people even when they when they disagree with you about different political issues and cultural issues And then male female like you're kicking you kick ass at 21 convention Even though your own audience is mostly women people on our channel love you and we put videos out the men So I'm not to blow too soon to smoke up your ass But you do a really good job of things that they're not and that they probably can't or would have a really difficult time doing It's not worth it for them to do it. You need to do it I appreciate that. I appreciate that and uh, no, it's it's it's very kind of you It it is it is because I I can't really understand it because I'm I may I'm in it. So I'm like I don't I don't really I Jordan Jordan Peterson wishes wishes. He was you Well, it depends what you mean by wishes really, I don't know no, I I uh, I appreciate that and yeah, there is You know, there has to be value in making things understandable and there has to be value making things approachable because Otherwise you've got the the tools exist They would be like having a weapon and not being able to use it because you didn't know that you had the weapon there So, yeah, I I I get that the humor too like we can't expect Pete Walker to post alien memes about relationships It's not gonna happen, but I can do it and you can do it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that's that's okay That's okay Poor poor Pete Walker. He must watch some of my videos and be like fucking hell this idiot He's talking about me and my books all the time and he says the crate. He's always telling cock jokes Now, let me I'll say this too though I know Sean Smith has openly praised you as well That he really likes what you're doing on youtube and in your own line of work as an entrepreneur Like you he recognizes a think similar to what I just said that you're doing something really important In ways that I can't even do I don't have the particular personality and charisma you do Nor the expertise and focus that you're doing this stuff I I find men like you obviously to do that But you're really doing a good job at it and you're one of the best easily on youtube doing it Way better than Jordan Peterson. I mean, obviously I've made fun of him a lot But I mean that I'm not kidding as much as I'm teasing about and I like, you know joking about him and roasting him I really think that his lobster back codependence What they think Jordan Peterson is doing he's not doing and men like you are who do have a substantial audience Of 307 thousand and reach millions but not at the extraordinary level Jordan Peterson's reached In terms of metrics and data or people number of people you're doing what they think he's doing He's not really doing it. You are you're the you're the savage men And our world their clan world though doesn't like that they want to elevate the wrong people to positions of authority and popularity Because there's a lot of stupid sheep and they don't want to hear the truth a lot of them They think they do But really they want like the illusion of truth They want to like they want to they want to feel that they're right. They don't want to necessarily be Uh focused on reality and the truth. They just want the illusion of that And as long as they feel that emotionally then they're just not going to give a shit And I think that's where that that's where the simps gets so mad when I when I expose it There's something off about Jordan Peterson the honesty or the the his lack of real wisdom He's just kind of you know a repeater like a broken record repeating other people like he doesn't have his own I don't get to do them deep on the woods in them again in the weeds But you're doing what he's what he's not and these lobster back codependence think he's doing and if they went on your channel For example, any Jordan Peterson fan watching this and watch your videos They would get very angry because you would reveal the truth to them We're just going to make them angry not happy Maybe long-term it'll make them happy and most certainly I think well long term But it'll make it'll trigger the shit out of them and rant Yeah, it's good. I think it's very interesting what you just said It's actually going to be something worse thinking about For the next couple of days, which is people don't want the truth But they want the illusion of truth. It's a very It's a very it's like a slavoj zizek point Where we don't want the thing we want the representation of the thing because the thing is too threatening But the symbol of the thing is controllable and I can go. Oh, I'm a I've just I just read 12 rules for life And I made my bed. So I'm a truth Follower it's like I'm I'm red pill. I bought a book on the red pill. I paid my five dollars on patreon I'm red pill now, bro Now, let me give you a good example to back you up here. I think you're gonna love it You've obviously seen the matrix trilogy in movies, right the first trilogy Now, obviously they take the red pill or neo takes the red pill and other people do too They wake up from the matrix, right and what do they come to they come to the real world Which is a crazy shithole the humanity was basically defeated so far as they obviously can tell they live in a fucking cave And the deep in the earth, right? They're they're on the brink of extinction and slavery to the machines But of course as we find out spoilers somebody hasn't seen this fucking famous movie trilogy But as we find out that's the freedom fighters They're all fighting for freedom and fighting against the machines. It's just another system of control And it's like these people that like you're saying they just want to be the freedom fighters It's like they don't want to win and wake up to the real truth Which is that okay, you took this red pill you woke up, but you're still a slave You didn't actually escape much of anything you just feel like you did You wanted the feeling and the illusion of it not the reality Which is the whole thing's fucked and neo and the movie has to do something even above and beyond that To save humanity and get it out of this this rut of slavery I think I think you just made a very Nietzschean point there, which is From from Zizek to Nietzsche you've gone Which is that the the attainment of the thing that we say that we want is too much It's it's too much. So Nobody really really wants to red pill nobody really wants their fucking wig peeled back like that And their brain just out in the cold. It's it's too much the existential The For most of us the existential dread would be would be too much So I think I think that's a really really valid point. I think that's where A lot of people hate Nietzsche because they mess they misunderstand him, but he was he's like you. He's a diehard truth Truth, uh, he's a truth, uh, like just give me absolute truth or nothing And the irony is is that jp keeps quoting him and I have a strong suspicion that Nietzsche would not like what jp is doing I really don't think he would like why he's there because It's compromised. It's chopped. It's little bits of truth mixed in with ideological mass and what zizek Told jp to his face is a pointless wisdom He told him. He said he said it to his face. I hate wisdom. I hate your wisdom. It's nonsense I agree wisdom is wank wisdom is total fucking wank. I call it. I call Jordan Peterson does it's philosophy soup It's it's just like people say word salad when people will give you like a like a narcissist like legit Narciss would give you a word salad to dodge to be evasive and answering you and hide the truth from you or whatever What he's doing is not it's not a personal, you know in your face lie But it's a philosophy soup that distorts it over Deconstructs it confuses. It's it's hyper complex. It's excessively complex And it's it's like a word salad, but intellectually and philosophically it's philosophy soup And there's and there's something comforting in it Which means it's like that kind of soup or broth that you would take when you have a cold and you can switch off again Oh, who but he knows who knows who can know the truth. Who knows? Well, it depends what you mean. I mean, who knows it depends what you mean by the truth in reality What do you mean? Because your truth isn't my truth and i'm like, what what is all this moral relativistic postmodern bullshit coming from Isn't it remember bill clinton bill clinton said it depends on what your definition of the word is is Yes, it's exactly what bill clinton said. Yeah, it's it's exactly what bill clinton said it depends what your definition of the word is is and uh, the the uh The the the problem is not my water Sorry, I almost spit my water The the infinite complexity of it usually is a flim flam. It's a it's an obfuscation There's there's nothing there and you said jordan peterson's descriptions are complex. Yes, they're complex but they're so Predictably complex that they're very easy to satirize and that's how you know, there's nothing there if I can satirize Of somebody's philosophy like that. That's an indication. There's nothing there You can satirize zizek for his modes of thought and his modes of speech But you can't satirize his philosophy because he is and it's like him or not like him whatever You can't jordan peterson is zizek and not on the same. They're not in the same league You know, that's a black belt rolling with a white belt zizek is a real intellectual heavyweight Which is why when they did the debate he steamrolled him. He steamrolled jordan He smashed the guy to bits and not at that point I lost some respect for peterson, but I was like I didn't expect him to do too well against zizek anyway, but for peterson's fans For peterson's fans. I lost all respect because they didn't see it He got smashed in front of them and they just went. Oh, yeah, he did well Like did well He just got thrown in a rolling hip lock They're they're seeing a different movie. They're seeing a different movie. They're not watching the same thing you are They're brainwashed totally nothing. It's like they're not brainwashed. It's like they're hypnotized You know like they dance like it's like a little kid who thinks their father is literally Superman It can do literally anything like literally take a bullet and it'll be fine. It's like no You you're you've been perhaps unintentionally or who knows right? You're you've been hypnotized to believing rampant bullshit. This is not reality. This is a human being who's deeply flawed in this case deeply flawed, I mean Not to go off on this rant again But like if people go and watch the the zizek peterson debate it is clear the zizek Sorry, the peterson did not even read zizek's wikipedia entry. How fucking arrogant can you be? This is what he does with iron ran. This is what he does with iron ran I've known I've found specific videos where he's questioned about iron ran He's he's questioned about her on a fairly regular basis not every day But it's something that's come up repeatedly over the years with him online in different interviews with Dave Rubin and others And it's obvious to me as an objectivist who's read 2000 pages on objectivism probably more. I know it like the back of my hand for the most part I'm not a professor of it or philosophy, but I know it really really well He doesn't understand our philosophy even even on a wikipedia level. He hasn't even opened the fucking wikipedia page I'm like, this is why when he's asked about it, you obviously don't understand iron ran You don't understand the philosophy of objectivism, which is a system of philosophy that's very specific That you could you could figure this out in five minutes on wikipedia at least get a basic elementary understanding of it He doesn't even have he does bullshit this way through it. It talks about her You know, I said just like once I'm for example not to be over vague about this. I'll be specific He talks about how personal responsibility is central to her philosophy And he was and he was trying to refer to actual fundamentals of her philosophy. This is not true This is not even close to true I mean, this is like christians who argue with me that family is like the fundamental to christian philosophy I'm like, no, you have no idea what you're talking about the word of god existence of god Jesus self-sacrifice Faith having faith as an epistemological point of knowing things. You're not even you don't have a fucking clue You're talking about And with when he talks about dude. I ran She now personal responsibility will be very important to her Personally, but it's not even remotely fundamental to the philosophy It goes way deeper than that and metaphysics and epistemology and moral philosophy and politics This is it's nonsense. And when he said this, I'm like, this is this is totally straw manning and and it's Just flagrant bullshit. You don't understand anything about her See, I don't know Iron rand, I don't know objectivism and I don't know the interviews you're talking about But I believe you 100% because of what I saw him do was is a cow's eye The level of arrogance and delusion So shared self delusion you have to have to show it to a debate that's going to be watched by millions of people For decades to come and not bother reading the wikipedia entry on the person you're debating against You're not well, mate. You're not like you really must think you're a very clever chap indeed Yep, I mean look at him. I mean Why has he done that? Do we know what the context is from doing that? His daughter posted it. I think you could still find it. Um, it was some sort of joke for her School or something. I don't know some projects. He was doing But he dressed up in drag makeup. I mean, this is very real. Whatever the reasoning was I don't even know if how much does the reasoning even matter? Like why did you do that? I wouldn't do that Well, if my Bukaki videos ever come out online, I'll do the same thing. I'll be like, it's just a joke, guys. How did we get back onto Peterson? What were we talking about? The truth and philosophy. Let me go back though. Let me take it off Peterson. You talked about Nietzsche Who I have not read Extensively, I've read some of his work, but I need to read I need to read way more He's kind of next on my chopping block. I told the research into In particular because Yeah, I think so too. I ran like them a lot too Less so as she aged But even even towards the end of her life, she still had a respect for She didn't respect them makes you respect that Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas who were two favorite philosophers by far Uh, but with Nietzsche, she loved she called it his reverence for the soul Or the self reverence for the soul like like a self respect almost but on a fill on a level of philosophy so even though she disagreed with them philosophically she She admired I think some of the intensity and the tenacity he had Uh in philosophy to to make his points But anyway, she said something that reminded me of what you said with Nietzsche being you know truth truth truth You know 100 and for the truth the absolute truth whatever it is I ran I think through one of her villains and one of her books actually a novel But I think it's something she would still she wrote it for a reason And the quote goes something like this Under the skin humanity is the same and I for one would be willing to skin humanity to prove it So Basically like the the truth the truth the ripping the truth beneath the truth beneath the truth Like whatever it is I'm willing to fucking skin these motherfuckers alive At least at least figuratively and philosophically to find out what's really under the under the mask Um, whether it's a person or whether it's an ideology like feminism or even The radical leftism or even the conservatives today who are just like these frauds And they they pretend to care about hypocrisy, but they practice it themselves And they get mad when anyone like me calls out their hypocrisy because now all you're attacking one of your own same team same team It's like no, I'm not on your team. I'm on I'm on the team of the reality You don't get these people don't people that accuse me A people lately that accuse me of being a liberal that gives me being christian It gives me being conservative I mean, they're all over the fucking map and the accusations and the same fucking they're arguing with each other Like no, he's a piece of shit conservative. No, he's a piece of shit liberal. I'm like you people are retarded Like I'm not on your team. I'm on the team of reality and truth You don't you don't seem to get that and I'll call out anybody any fraud or any Uh movement that's stupid or has you know flaws in it because that to me is how things move towards reality You have to call out and expose falsehood Even if it affects someone allegedly on your side of your team, that's probably where it's most important To heal, you know, if you're on it if you're gonna pick some team that's allegedly for truth Well, it better be for the truth and you better call that shit out. 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