 So I'd like to call the October 4th meeting of the Town of Arlington Redevelopment Board to order. This meeting of the Redevelopment Board is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020, which was extended due to the current state of emergency and the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of the COVID-19 virus. For this meeting, the Redevelopment Board is convening via Zoom, as posted on the town's website, identifying how the public may join. Please note that this meeting is being recorded and that some attendees are participating via video conference. Accordingly, please be aware that other people may be able to see you and take care not to screen share your computer. Anything that you broadcast may be captured by the recording. So we will now confirm that all members are present and can hear me by taking a roll call, starting with Ken Lau. Present. Jean Benson. Present. Melissa Tintacolas. Present. Steve Revlach. Present. And I'm Rachel Zenberry. And we have two members of the Department of Planning and Community Development, Jennifer Rait. Present. And Kelly Linema. Here. Great. Jenny, do we have anyone else joining us this evening? The other staff person in this room is Interim Director of Inspectional Services, Michael Champa. Champa, sorry. Great. We'll welcome Michael. Thank you very much for joining us this evening. So we will move right to the first item in our agenda, which is urban renewal planning. And I will invite Jenny Rait to discuss this topic with the board. This is a follow-up to the goal setting that we held on September 11th, where we discussed further exploring the opportunities afforded to the Redevelopment Board as the urban renewal authority within the town of Arlington. Go ahead, Jenny. Take it away. All right. Thank you, Rachel. So this is, as you can see, a presentation that I am going to run through. It's really brief in terms of the history of the ARB, some of the plans that we've had, and some of the possibilities that we also have in the future. So this is my screen networking. Okay. So I'm going to sort of, this is bifurcated into two parts. The first part is just about urban renewal planning, and then we'll talk a little bit about bladed properties. So I'll probably pause between the two just because they kind of go together, but I'd prefer to take questions separately. So I'm not, this is for the benefit of everybody watching and for people who may not be aware of sort of the redevelopment board and how we were constituted. We were the first board in Massachusetts with this combined planning board under Mass General Law Chapter 40 and Chapter 41, and as a redevelopment authority under Chapter 121b. It's a really unique body, but we're actually kind of limited with a very special focus in jurisdiction. It was formed under a homeral petition, and the authorities that it has are derived from the Town Manager Act, as well as the Arlington Zoning By-law, basically in the 1970s. The difference in our urban renewal authority or redevelopment authority, rather, is that town meeting approval is required for two key actions, where in other redevelopment authorities you don't always see this level of approval that's required. And this was from the very beginning. So it's not, this was an intentional power that was provided to town meeting, which is that they can approve any time the ARB wishes to move forward with an urban renewal project or rehabilitation project or wants to acquire property by eminent domain or otherwise, or borrows or agrees to money. Town meeting approval is required. So we can't act completely autonomously or independently. We are embedded within the framework whereby town meeting makes approvals for things like this, and town meeting makes that approval in our case as well. So that's on the urban renewal side. Obviously, I'm not going to go into the part about our planning functions, but in brief, primarily the board reviews applications for certain projects to ensure specific criteria are met under the environmental design review special permitting process. But this is really all about urban renewal. If we want to talk about the planning board or the planning functions at another meeting and sort of special permitting, we can. But for this conversation, we're talking about urban renewal because I think we want to get to a broader conversation about some of our underutilized properties on our main corridors. So this is directly from the state's website about urban renewal. Urban renewal and, you know, I'm not going to talk about the entire history of urban renewal in the United States, but it has a very unfortunate history. One that is connected to, frankly, segregation, highway construction and redevelopment, urban renewal plans were the plans that were put into place that unfortunately led to the devastation of many neighborhoods throughout the entire country and led to displacement of businesses and families and individuals who had very little power or say in the process. So urban renewal itself as a law and as an act comes from a very challenging place in the United States, the history of planning in the United States. And we have to live with some of these terms that are baked into what is called urban renewal today, including words like substandard and decadent and bladed. Those are all part of the wording and phrasing that's embedded in renewal. So if you see this language, it's simply because that's the way that it's phrased. But the idea is to really find a way to redevelop areas that are struggling to redevelop. That's the way that it is primarily used today. And it functions as really an opportunity to direct investment into areas that are not receiving as much investment as they possibly could from both the public side as well as the private side. And so what that means is there's a legacy of how we've done that in Arlington and it's led to pretty much two urban renewal plans in the history of the time that the Arabic has been in existence. So we can do the spying and selling and holding of property, but Arlington Town Meeting Action is required to take those activities. So for example, the Arlington Center Conservation and Improvement Project was really the first urban renewal plan and it had a pretty long time period before anything was realized. It was used to revamp Arlington Center primarily, but it also gave the Redevelopment Board the authority to ultimately manage and lease the three buildings that we still manage and lease, which is the former central school building or the junior high school building or lots of different ways of putting it, which is at 20 Academy Street and 27 Maple Street. That is where the community center is located as well as other entities. 23 Maple Street, which is the building next door, and the Jefferson Cutter House, which was moved to the site at 611 Massachusetts Avenue. That's on the corner of Mass Ave and Medford. So I'm sorry, I said Medford Street. I don't know why I said Medford Street. I was thinking down the block. It's right at the center at the crossroads in the center. What was that? I think you're referring to Mystic Street? In Mystic, yes. It's Mystic and Old Mystic. We actually created the park that is there today, which is Whittemore Park. We also relocated that building from what was formerly at the Myrack property down Mass Ave. So all of that came to be as a result of that urban renewal plan. And it took from 1978 to 1984 for the whole thing to be realized. So 1978 was when 9.4 acres were designated as an urban renewal project. And the funding plan was approved and it was established. And it was all based on a planning process that some of you might have seen. And there's a beautiful nice bound book of a Millbrook Valley Comprehensive Plan and also the Arlington Center Comprehensive Plan. So it was after a planning process took place. By 1979, the draft urban renewal plan and maps were approved by town meeting. The following years, the budget was approved for the project. And then the plan was really coming into formation. It was amended in 82. The work was starting. It included the transfer of the central school building to the redevelopment board because it had previously been the school department, as well as the zoning being amended to allow for that public private use of the space the way it is still today. And that led to what was called a card plan back in that time in the 80s, which is a commercial area revitalization district, which also in all of these situations, it leveraged a lot of capital and funding, not just from the town side, but also a lot of state grant funding. The urban renewal plan in the center actually expired in 2011. And then fast forward a lot of years later, we have the Sims Arlington Conservation and Improvement Project. That was approved to redevelop the former Sims Hospital property, probably for some of the people who are here tonight or listening or watching. This is a very long project that came to be after a lot of planning and a lot of process. And there were a lot of twists and turns along the way. That's the easiest way to put it. It's now home to Arlington 360 and Brightview. It was the plan ultimately was approved in 2002 and amended in May of 2003. There is a land disposition agreement, which was accepted in 2004 to 2005. The plan actually expires in January. So back when we did the Arlington Center plan, they were 40 year plans. And DHCD typically doesn't recommend anything longer than 20 years any longer. So the plan ultimately expires within 20 years of the date that the original plan was accepted. So what exactly can you do with an urban renewal plan? You can do a lot of things. And there's many different eligible activities, everything from obviously, you know, preparing the plan itself, but also potentially carrying out a variety of planning studies, establishing different standards for what you want to see put in place. There's the acquisition component, there's demolition potentially. There's site preparation or environmental mitigation or remediation. There could be other environmental issues that have to be addressed for improving the property. Potentially, there's relocation, if you know, especially if you're acquiring a property and there's currently businesses or tenants that are located there, as well as of course, cobbling together all of the funding sources that are required to make something happen. So all of that are, all of these things are eligible for action. The criteria for meeting urban renewal and getting approved by DHCD is based upon a number of determinations. And I think that it speaks back to why do you do urban renewal planning to begin with, which is you have a situation where without some sort of public action, a particular site or property or a project more broadly like a revitalization plan for a neighborhood or a specific, you know, commercial area could not, without that action, nothing is going to move forward or very little would be developed. And so the public action is essentially necessary and essential. And you of course have to prove that in your urban renewal plan process. Additionally, the other criteria would be the project is promoting some desired investment by private entities and private could be for profit, it could also be non-profit. In most cases, involving urban renewal planning today, it is often non-profit organizations, including community development corporations, because many urban renewal plans end up happening in places where they have sort of a similar setup to us with an entitlement community, you know, community development block grant and other federal funds are easier to access for they're in a gateway city. So there's, you know, a connection and access to leveraging a certain kind of private investment and often a number of community development corporations that can participate. The plan for financing the project is sound, it has to be reasonable, it has to make sense. The project area has to be designated as substandard decadent and or blighted under the law. The plan submission is complete, and it includes a relocation plan if it's appropriate. It also has to include a variety of components, the whole description of the project area that's that includes the map with the boundaries. It's very descriptive, because it also might include covenants like deed restrictions that limit, you know, affordability requirements and regulations, could have other restrictions like, for example, our LDA for the Sims property includes conservation restrictions and very prescribed agreements for certain parts of the site. All of that ties back to those proposed boundaries that are designated in the urban renewal plan. A description of the conditions, the project objectives and anticipated impacts of the proposed redevelopment activities, proposed relocation again, any proposed public improvements because ideally you're creating a plan that is not just about directing private investment or private actors to do different things to reinvest in this project or area, but you're also demonstrating that you know, the municipality is going to devote a certain amount of funding in order to make something happen. The description of course of the parcel, which includes the property owner, current zoning or land use, and any proposed zoning amendments and the requirements that might be needed in order to make things pass. The financial plan, project implementation timeline, of course community participation, and then all of the municipal approvals that are required as part of that process. Lastly, but of course not the least important is the what is called MEPA, Massachusetts Environmental Protection Act review and approval. In the urban renewal plan, you only have to note what the status is of such a review. So I'm going to stop there. That was the end of urban renewal planning. So how about I turn it back to you, Rachel. Great. Thank you, Jenny. I appreciate you taking us through all of that, the history, some of the plans. You're welcome. And I'll go back to any slide if necessary. That sounds great. Why don't I run through the list of board members and ask you for any questions that you might like to direct towards Jenny? And I'll start with Eugene. Yeah, this is very helpful, Jenny. I don't have any immediate questions other to ask if you post your presentation somewhere where we can all download it. I think that would be helpful. I will be posting the presentation. Yes. Thank you. Oh, I guess I have one other question. Do you think that the board has the authority to go through town meeting and do an imminent domain taking without creating an urban renewal plan? Yes. Okay. Thanks. Great. Thank you, Gene. I'll go to Ken next. No, I don't have a question right now. I think I want to reserve a question for a little later. Great. Go to Melissa next. Any questions for Jenny? Jenny, in the past, where have these plans been initiated from in terms of, you know, if they're initiatives, are they driven by the ARB or are they driven by town meeting or where are they coming from? That's a good question actually. The Arlington Center, one I would say, came from probably a combination of the town manager at the time as well as the director of planning and community development as well as the redevelopment board. So it was a sort of this a lot of town leaders working together on that plan with support from the finance committee and other bodies that who were interested in the revitalization of Arlington Center. And it was an entire planning process that led to the urban renewal plan being developed. So other players, you know, and constituents in the community were very much participating in those processes as well, including people who had an interest in environmental issues, you know, historic preservation, you know, all pretty much, you know, all the committees and boards and commissions who we usually work or coexist with were participating in some way as part of that process, but it was led by the department, the redevelopment board and the town manager at the time. Great. Thanks. I guess I didn't mention the select board, but that's probably an important body to also reference. Thanks. And so the other plan, you know, the Sims property was definitely led by a number of other similar groups in the community who obviously were interested in the redevelopment of the hospital site. But a very long process included, you know, developing a committee, an advisory committee that helped with the, you know, neighborhood issues, the planning issues. And I'm pretty sure that there are a couple of people who are participating on this call who participated or certainly familiar with that process. But it was, that was also quite a process prior to 2002 to get to that place, but also led by the then director of planning and community development. I could add, I think the triggering factor was when the Sims hospital decided it would close and sell the property and the town under some ancient deed or something had the right of first refusal to buy the property. So that was the animating event that started that whole thing. Yeah. And I would say the, that's a good way to phrase it, the animating event, the animating event for Arlington Center was disinvestment, the desire to rework the roadways, the desire to have commercial improvements, you know, it was part of those sort of overarching strategies. I think the redevelopment boards participation in the Sims project came, was a little bit later on in the process because we had that event that you mentioned, Jean, but then it was sort of turned to the redevelopment board to create the urban renewal plan and move forward with it. And again, after a long process with the hospital. And also with consideration of many different potential uses and outcomes and ultimately what is there today is after a very long period of many, many different options that were vetted as well as developers. Great. Thanks, Jenny. You're welcome. Any other questions, Melissa? I'll hold off at this point. Okay, great. Thank you. Steve, any questions for Jenny? I do have two questions. First, could you describe what a blighted open area is? And you could use Arlington Center as an example if it helps your context. Well, you might say a parking lot is a blighted open area. It's potentially high value, underutilized, downzoned, and not necessarily very attractive, perhaps degrading the environment, in poor condition, poorly lit, poorly maintained. This is just an example. It's not necessarily what is happening in Arlington Center, but that might be the type of thing that would be a blighted open area. Another thing would be a park that is not quite a park, but sort of an open space that's vacant and also underutilized and might be sort of the missing piece on a block because a building was taken down and it's just sort of vacant and could be turned into some sort of different use or it could be improved into a park, a bucket park. I mean, there could be other things that are used for it, but it's basically that's what they're talking about when they say the open area. Okay. And my second question is, I kind of get the sense that in order before one of these plans would be approved, you really have to have your ducks in a row in terms of the area affected, what you intend to do with it, how the funding and budgeting will work, and possibly who might be doing the work. Is that accurate? I would say everything up to who's going to do the work because the the board actually can be in a position of determining through and being exempt through for compliance with 30B, which is typically something that we have to comply with. The urban renewal plan takes that out of the mix. So we have basically sort of the authority to choose developers that could be a master developer, it could be working with a number of different types of developers for profit, nonprofit, some sort of hybrid. So there's actually a lot of options. So everything up to that part you have to pretty much do have lined up and that's ideally coming from a process that was well planned and thought through and financing is in place. But to carry out the actual parcel development that could happen over a period of time, which is to the point of having, let's say a 20 year plan, you might not know the end result in year three, but you could sort of project what you would like to have happen. That's sort of the proposed improvements, but you don't necessarily know and or have to specify who's going to be carrying out that work. Thank you much. That's very helpful. You're welcome. Thank you. Any other questions for Jenny before we move to the second part of the presentation? Just one last one, Rachel. Jenny, in our master plan, does it outline or indicate any recommendations for urban renewal plans? Did it understand or did the consultants understand the ARB's role as a redevelopment authority when they were doing this? I mean, I don't know if they understood. I would guess that they understood that because they've noted in the zoning audit and there's certainly times where the ARB is certainly called out as implementing parts of the plan. But whether or not we talked about the powers that we're discussing tonight as part of that process, I don't know if it might have come up. I hope it did. Nothing landed into the plan itself, though. Right. It seems like it's a tool that seems almost overlooked in the master plan. That's a good point. Thank you, Melissa. All right. I think let's go ahead and move into the second part of the presentation and we'll pause for questions after that. Okay. All right. Thank you, everybody. So I'll, and then at the end, we can open it up to anybody else with questions. I'm happy to open it up. We'll go back to grab a couple of questions. Yeah. Okay. So this part is about sort of the fact that we have, I think that we named at least four properties that are underutilized, potentially blighted, meeting some of this criteria. So this part of the presentation is brief to talk about some potential strategies and some funding sources and other options. So first, I'll just kind of go back again to the kind of the first part. I think that when you're talking about a particular property, you're also talking about the impact on the area. You know, it's, it isn't really ever just about, it would be nice if just a property lived all by itself, but it doesn't. It has an impact on the neighborhood. It has an impact on the surrounding environment. We may not, we may not be able to specifically articulate what that is, but I think we probably could dig into it a little bit more. So a successful revitalization planning process would cultivate a lot of different components to be, you know, to what I think could be realized include some of the following things. The first one is kind of the, is maybe obvious, but is always worth saying is that you really have to have some champions of these things that can't, it would not be best if it was only the redevelopment board. We need other people to be active voices and leaders as part of the process. And we want to engage diverse constituencies in that conversation. So it can't, it can't be limited to just us talking about it. It has to be broader than that. And the leadership should also be diverse. It should articulate a much clear, very clear and compelling vision. What do we really want to see in the future for either that site, as well as the sort of surrounding impacts potentially, sort of the outcome, if you will, what's the compelling vision for, for addressing the blight? It should recognize and find a way to capitalize on existing assets. And I think for Arlington, there's so many. I mean, there's, we're talking about, you know, historic and cultural resources that abound, particularly along our main corridors, Massav and Broadway. We have wonderful parks and recreational opportunities. We have the Minuteman Bikeway. There's a lot of assets that we as a community stand to be able to capitalize on. And a lot of that planning has been taking place and took place, of course, in the past. I think that there's a way, though, in a successful plan to recognize and find a way to really leverage all of that. And I didn't mention the Millbrook, but it's also worth mentioning that, you know, a project that really finds a way to capitalize on that asset is just as important in the community. It also would assemble resources to strengthen commercial areas, as well as the neighborhood more broadly. So ideally that investment in the property, if it's only one property, it sort of has a spillover effect, either from public resources or private resources. And then lastly, it's, there's this also, I'm certain you also know this, but there's never, you know, one thing that solves all the problems. It's a lot of tools and different policies that are tied together into sort of a complex package that ultimately addresses both revitalization needs, but also promotes the assets. And to get there, it's probably some combination of zoning amendments, overlay districts, incentives and bonuses, maybe tax abatements. I mean, there's a lot of possibilities in terms of how you can address these issues. I actually think that we have a lot of funding options. I'm just giving this some thought. Not only do we have local resources, including the CDBG program, the CPA funding for things like economic development and historic preservation, but there's also the ability to leverage some great state resources. The mass development program that I'm noting here is, I only have information about the this current fiscal year program, but I understand that it's been funded in future fiscal years. It's called the underutilized properties program. And this one seems like a, you know, good potential opportunity. We've gone after mass historical commission preservation project fund money. It does have to be tied, you know, most of these funding sources usually work together and they serve as a match. Depending upon what the proposed uses are of a property, there's so many other potential funding sources, including housing trust funds at the state level, environmental remediation options, tax credit programs and other state resources. While we don't have much funding in the Arlington affordable housing trust fund, I also wanted to note that it is under state law as the way that it's constituted. It may also accept and receive property. It could be have the ability to purchase or retain real or personal property, can go through a variety of legal transactions, it can manage property, and of course it can hold property and then dispose of it at an appropriate time when the trustees feel it's appropriate. This is an abbreviated list of the functions of the trust, just focused on real property development. So this is just sort of a list of references that when I post this document, this presentation, people will be able to go to some of these sources to see a little bit more. And this is actually the end of my presentation. Thank you, Jenny. You're welcome. I'll go through our list of board members for any questions on this section, starting with Jean. Yeah, thanks. Again, this was very helpful. I guess the one question I have, and I think I once knew this and don't remember anymore, is does DHCD have actual regulations on this or is it just guidance that they use on things like the criteria they use to determine whether to approve an over-renewal plan? Oh, they have criteria. You have to meet, it's under there, and it's totally, everything is approved by and must be reviewed and approved by DHCD. No, I mean, do they have a set of regulations that they use to do that, or is it all guidance? No, it's all regulatory, and that's all posted on DHCD's website. Okay. I'll share that. I'll put that in the link at the end, actually. Great. Yeah, that would be helpful. Thanks. Anything else, Jean? Nope, that's it. Okay, great. I'll go to Ken. Yeah, Jenny, when we talk about blighted properties, I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to get a better understanding of the scale of what you call blighted property. I mean, there's just one piece of property here, and then three, four blocks down later is another one. So the whole area is considered urban renewal area, or it's just spot, I don't know, what you call it, spot blight, or however you want to call that. How's that? That is what it's called, actually. There's spot blight and there's area blight. Those are the two different designations. There's also a separate category for emergencies, but spot blight is when we're talking about one single property or parcel, and area blight would be more like a block or a neighborhood or a district. It could get big. So we're talking about, I think we're mostly talking about spot blight. Spot blight. Yes, meaning one property or building. Okay. All right, that makes, okay, that makes it clear. I was a little confused, but all right. Yeah, and it's not unusual for a community, again, especially with the characteristics that Arlington has that I mentioned, to think about spot blight versus, you know, more the broader area blight, or both. I just don't see Arlington having that right now, this big blocks and blocks of blight. But I can see the other point where spot blight does exist here and there, but and I couldn't grasp how you would go approaching and applying this to those different areas if I didn't, but spot blight, okay, makes sense. There's some, the framework that I'm talking about could be applied to a single parcel, or it could be applied to a block, or a neighborhood, or a district. It's the same, regardless of the scale. It's just, if it's a bigger scale, it obviously needs more resources. But it's the same, it's, it is actually the same exact process, including the same process for an urban renewal plan, if you were going to just designate one parcel. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Great. Thanks, Ken. Melissa, any questions for Jenny on the second part? Nope. Going to Steve. No questions, Madam Chair. Great. And, you know, I was also going to ask questions in the same vein as Ken, it's almost, you know, when you have a few nodes of spot blight, does it make more sense in some cases to look at a neighborhood or a series of blocks? If you can identify, you know, I can think of instances where there might be two or three locations, which significantly undermine the ability of an entire neighborhood to live up to its potential. And in that case, would you typically treat that as looking at the individual parcels or looking at the neighborhood and the overall effects in general when you're looking at this type of analysis? For the urban renewal plan process, you'd have to look at both. You'd have to talk about each individual property and you'd have to then to also talk about the area. And especially when we're talking about Arlington, that's the case because of our zoning map. Because each individual parcel sometimes side by side have different zoning district designations and requirements. So if you were talking about, let's say a block in Arlington Heights or, well, yeah, let's just say Arlington Heights, you might be talking about six different business districts in that stretch of that entire corridor. And so you'd talk about the entire area and the proposed impact or, you know, the vision that you're looking to achieve, but you'd also talk about all the individual parcels and what needs to be done. And I think that if you're talking about an individual parcel, you're talking about that parcel, but you're also talking about sort of the effect that that redevelopment might have on sort of the pulse beyond it that it would send if it was redeveloped to surrounding properties. Whether that means, you know, just thinking of things that could happen like improvements to sidewalks, improvements to playgrounds, you know, that those are like sort of on the public side or other, you know, rehabilitation of properties or, you know, changes of use that encourages commercial activity. There's many different things that could potentially happen as spillovers, but you'd have to catalog that as part of looking at an individual site as well. Right. Any other questions? Great. Well, I think at this point, we will open it up to any public comment or any questions that those people who are joining us this evening might have. So if you do have a question for Jenny or the redevelopment board, please go ahead and use the raise hand function at the bottom of your zoom screen, and we will call on anyone who wishes to speak this evening. A few minutes. Don Seltzer, and before you begin, I'll remind everyone who wishes to speak that you will to please introduce yourself by your first last name and address, and you'll have up to three minutes for your questions. Please go ahead, Don. Thank you, Don. Seltzer Irving Street. I really appreciate this presentation by Jenny. It's been quite informative. It was really nicely put together. I was wondering, would this have applied in some way to the UGAR track over the many years? It seems that that's the closest thing to a really blighted area that we've had in Arlington over the last 50 years. I know it's a complicated issue, and I suppose a lot has to do with the owner reluctance to cooperate in this case. And the second question would be, do we have any particular target properties in mind at this stage? I'm guessing that there's something behind this than you're thinking of maybe a few small, blighted areas that the board could take action with. Great. Thank you. Jenny, if you wanted to answer the first question, that would be great. Sure. Yeah. And thank you for the words of appreciation, Don. I appreciate that. But I guess I would answer maybe that urban renewal plan could be applicable to the UGAR property. I mean, it's the same as for any of the other things that we're talking about tonight. It sort of depends upon a compelling vision, reasoning for needing to have an urban renewal plan for that particular property. There could be very good reasons. I can think of some, but it would have to be very compelling, but it could be applicable. Again, I answered the question about an open, what does it mean to be open and blighted? I suppose some parts of that site might have or currently do fit that characterization. I think probably more eminent domain and trying to acquire the property, which was long something that has been in lots of plans for the town of Arlington, a desire expressed not only in our master plan, but in lots of other plans, including our open space and recreation plan, was to acquire the UGAR property to protect and preserve it. But urban renewal planning could have been potentially used hand in hand. Great. Thank you, Jenny. Don, sorry for your second question. I'll just note that at this point, the board is really taking a look at all options available to us, noting that we have, as we've been looking at the commercial corridors, identified that there are not necessarily specific properties, but there are opportunities which we've started to identify, which have been contributing to a potentially contributing to a lack of development in the surrounding areas. So, understanding what the potential options that the Redevelopment Board and all of the other groups that need to come together for this type of urban renewal planning have in front of us, we thought was a timely discussion for us to have. But no specific names at this point, I gather. Nothing specific. We haven't had any type of discussion about that to build consensus as a board. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments from the public who's joining us this evening? Okay. Seeing none, I will close public comment and open it back up to the board for any other questions for Jenny regarding urban renewal planning. Okay. Seeing none, what we would like to do at this point is to, let's see, we've closed public comment and we would like to propose that a member of the board move for us to move to an executive session. As stated in the agenda, we'd like to discuss the 821 Massachusetts Avenue property with Town Council to explore potential ARB redevelopment options and or acquisition of the property. So, this executive session, at this executive session, we will then adjourn. We will not be reconvening into an open session after the executive session. So, we will need a motion and a second and then a roll call vote in order to enter into the executive session. Madam Chair. Yes. Sorry, who is that? Meet us, Steve, either way. I will say, Madam Chair, I motion that the board close open hearing and convene an executive session for the purposes stated in the last item of our agenda. Second. Thank you. Let's see, so we'll go ahead and take a roll call vote starting with Kim. Yes. Gene. Oh, yes, and I see Town Council is raised. Town Council is in the room now. Doug. Hi. Great. Welcome, Doug. Did you have your thoughts on something you wanted to say before we finish the vote? Yes. I'm so sorry to interrupt the vote. I just wanted to say, Mr. Revlock would be so amenable. You should state whether or not you're planning to reconvene an open session or adjourn from executive session. Right. So, Steve, if you could amend the motion, as I had mentioned before, I was suggesting that we will be adjourning from the executive session. All right. So, I will motion that the board close the open session of tonight's meeting, move to an executive session for the purposes stated in the agenda with the board to adjourn after the executive session completes. Great. Thank you, Steve. I appreciate it. And thank you, Doug, for reminding us to include that in the motion. So, we have a second. Second. Thank you, Kim. We'll take a roll call vote. Kim. Yes. Gene. Yes. Melissa. Yes. Steve. Yes. And I am a yes as well. So, thank you, everyone who has joined us this evening. And the members of the board and members of the Department of Planning and Doug Hyme could remain on the line.