 What is here? It is an initiative. We initiated this initiative in our team in the Forest Landscape Restoration Mechanism in partnership with the CBD Secretariat, the Forest Ecosystem Restoration Initiative. In 2019, we organized the first expert meeting in Rome with future partners, C4 World Resource Institute, IUCN, and today we were supposed to have on board several colleagues from WRI, but unfortunately, they were not authorized to travel due to COVID pandemic. But now we have a network of around 20 contributing organizations working on this activity of economic and ecosystem restoration. We received seed funding from the CPF Joint Initiative on FLR on Forest Landscape Restoration. The CPF is a collaborative partnership on forest. And in 2020, we started to work on several work packages with different leads. First, the objective was to build something on cost, a framework to collect cost of forest landscape restoration. I have something on the screen that is not on me to see the slide. Then we started to work on the benefits with WRI Leading, and C4 was in charge of the baseline context and also to start to brainstorm on what kind of database we could build for this economic and ecosystem restoration initiative. Next, please. What are the current activity? So after a long discussion with this group of experts, scientific people thought they are very precise and when they are preparing a framework, so it took time, but we prepare a standard framework that is a common grammar for the recording of cost and benefits. So we have an Excel file, an Excel sheet that is relatively complex but well-defined, well-designed, and that is supposed to allow restoration practitioner, project coordinator to fill their data on cost and benefits of ecosystem restoration. We tested this template in several pilot sites and now we are in a phase to try to collect data from as many projects or partners as possible. We have some activities ongoing in the context of the restoration initiative led by the TRI, and in some countries we will propose the framework to our national teams. We have in mind to support this activity in the context of the food system, land use and restoration impact program under GIF-7, and we have seen money again from this impact program to allow us to collect data from those national child projects and follow, and it's 27 countries with projects everywhere in the world. And hopefully under the GIF-8 impact program on ecosystem restoration in the context of the multi-partner trust fund of the UN Decade, we have secured outputs on this issue to collect information on ecosystem restoration and on cost and benefits of ecosystem restoration. So we are in this phase to try to upscale our data collection process, and we are using all the opportunity that we have. I'm sure that with the Green Climate Fund we can find ways to collaborate and to see if there is Green Climate Fund project interested to collaborate with us. The idea is to build a database and an interface to make the data accessible because the origin of this initiative on the economic of ecosystem restoration is lack of data on cost and benefits. Those data are fragmented, they are not available. When they are available, they are not harmonized, they are not comparable. And this initiative was really implemented at the beginning to harmonize this data collection process to make the information comparable and useful for project designer and any users on ecosystem restoration, cost and benefits data. Next please. So the tier framework, it's a kind of common grammar for recording of cost and benefits of restoration. The idea is to work at the intervention unit scale and we developed an typology of intervention of restoration activities to allow the collection of data. Next please. The idea is to be able to compare what is comparable to dissociate project cost from cost of the related restoration implementation which is not always the case when you are looking for data on cost and benefits in the context of projects, you have all the cost of the project, you have staff, you have a lot of things and at the end you don't know exactly what was really the cost of the restoration activity. And the idea also with the database is to be able to build a statistical model of restoration implementation cost for country in different ecosystems, level of degradation, et cetera. Next please. So in the current period with the momentum on ecosystem restoration that is a UNDK several impact program under Jeff 7 and Jeff 8 with a strong focus on restoration, the multi-partner trust fund of the UNDK on ecosystem restoration and this ambition to upscale restoration efforts by 2030, we still need to demonstrate to investors that restoration is providing benefits and we need to demonstrate to investors, both public, private, green climate fund, adaptation fund, Jeff that the benefits are higher than the cost and that it's important and interesting to invest in this kind of activity. Next please. So those information, sorry I already said that, the information are needed to really make the restoration cost benefits analysis possible to convince investors to put money on those system restoration initiatives. Next please, I think it is finished. Thank you very much and this presentation will be completed now I think by Valentina. I don't know who is the speaker after. It's you first and then Valentina. So I will give you the floor, Alexan for the next presentation. Thank you for your attention. Thank you very much, Christophe, while Fabio brings on screen my presentation, I'll take again these opportunities to present our sincere apologies in the difficulties to bring the technique for these hybrid event and to thank all those that helped which is I think to a certain extent it shows very much what the effect of a partnership can be and this is what we're trying to do with tier in fact. So next slide please. So as you know, land degradation is everywhere just to show these very assessments are very, very much because they don't take into account the same degrees of degradation have different assessment methodologies. So we just took the latest one 20 to 40% of the land area of the globe is degraded or degrading and this number is getting higher every year. One estimation is that land degradation could cost between eight and it's more than 10 but hidden by participants trillion per year and it also affects one to three billion people worldwide. Next slide please. So the impacts of land degradation are huge including environmentally, economically and socially. So this is why there is more and more interest in ecosystem restoration not only from governments and public actors but also sustainable finance could be interested in projects and ecosystem restoration to a great extent is contributing to so many of the sustainable development goals by diversity, climate restoration and environmental development. However, it is markedly underfunded with a funding gap that has been estimated at three hundred billion dollars per year. Next slide please. And so there is a big gap in fact between what we know globally restoration brings all these projects. And I have to say this individual project is going to bring this and that and this is the scale at which you need to attract an investor for a specific project. So it's very clear from various scientific analysis on big numbers that every dollar invested in restoration brings seven to five hundred billion dollars per year. So it's very clear from this potential to attract funding from the public sector, from the private sector, from sustainable finance and from various combinations but all funders what they want to know is what is the cost of the project in a reliable way with examples you're not going to achieve your objective. And there is a bit of a risk of a kind of not inflation but inflation of projects undervalued in order to get the money but that finally will not deliver. So we really want to know what is the cost first and what is the benefit in order to assess cost and benefit of an operation. So we, it's mainly the individual funder for an individual project. Next slide please. In addition there is also the need to be able to compare projects. If I don't for a big public investor, where do I put the money? Where is the best cost benefit ratio? And as Christophe has said the problem is that cost data is seldom and inconsistently collected in the project. It's absolutely not systematic and it's done in very different ways. A review in 2009 of 2000 projects showed that only 5% reported costs. Another estimation with that around 2.5% of scientific publications included information on cost not even talking about benefit. Next slide please. So the objectives of TRS to fill this gap to collect comparable data in a wide range of projects very diverse in terms of geography and type of intervention in a standardised way on costs and on benefits including non-marketable environmental and social benefits. So the collection needs to be very broad with enough information reliable but also easy to conduct and this is where Christophe was saying we talked for hours and hours you have to find the right degree of what you asked to a project manager you cannot ask too much because they don't have the time to do that and you have to ask enough so that it's usable and useful so it was really to find this balance because if it's too difficult to gather the information simply it won't be gathered. There was a question in the chat is the template available? Yes it is. It is now available in five languages Chinese, English, French, Portuguese and Spanish it has been pilot tested it has been improved to take into account the comments of the project manager saying oh this is a bit too long can you simplify this it would be useful to do that so really now it's it's for everybody to use it to gather that information in order to populate the database Christophe was talking about the ultimate objective is to make all this data available to users so users can be financing institutions it can be project managers it can be researchers in order to make in excellent estimations of potential costs and the benefits of a project by looking at comparable projects that are possible and also to make analysis and synthesis on categories of projects for instance the projects that initiated ten years ago and a certain type of intervention in a certain ecosystem what have they brought in terms of benefits comparing costs between regions between types of intervention these kind of analysis next slide please we will go into the detail that are written very small so the first thing is that the collection is done at project level so for one project we collect all the information and including how it was collected by whom extra in order to guarantee the quality of the information next slide please then as Christophe has said the central concept in the whole project the unit of collection is what we call a unit intervention unit which is globally a space on which you have done the same type of intervention and all the conditions are similar because otherwise it needs to be homogeneous in terms of intervention otherwise you cannot compare costs next so for each of these units we look at the type of intervention the state of degradation it is the state of restoration we project and what are the combination of actions on that specific piece of land next slide please for each of these units we asked the manager to compile all the costs the seeds the labor the income foregone when it's an exposure all these kinds of costs and when it is cost for the whole project they are cut down so that they come back also to the intervention unit next slide please for each of these units we have a detailed way for the costs using available methodologies of course so that then we do the same for the marketable benefits so this was the module where that was developed by WRI and there are globally two types of benefits the one that are marketable and to record them because generally they are recorded at farm level and you can ask the farmer last year you had that yield this year you had this yield and things like that so what the template is recording is timber, wood fuel animal crops, animal products and meat fisheries, tourism revenue and other with the possibility to indicate there are some examples where some ecosystem benefits do have a market value when they are entered in a specific contract with a water company for instance and for each category there are benefits before the beginning of the project and the way it changes along the life of the project and further and then we use we give the opportunity to the responder to indicate changes that are expected because not everything will have been realized at the moment when you ask the questions and there could be also totally different benefits categories that were not in the baseline that appear because of the project for instance when you change the use of the land from crops to forestry there was no timber now there is timber next slide please Alex I cannot hear you any longer unmute, okay there are a lot of benefits a big part of that is environmental benefits carbon for instance adaptation to climate change, water quality regularity of water fluxes biodiversity conservation but you also have plenty of social benefits for instance when your degraded land is a land that is supporting an indigenous population that has no other issue than to migrate because it cannot anymore survive on the land the fact that you restore the land belonging to this indigenous population enables this indigenous people to preserve its way of life and its livelihood there are also examples where the restoration project focusing on certain type of products does have an impact on gender balance in households for a typical cases carite for instance in West Africa which is a product that very much benefits woman and woman association that transform and sell it we also what is very important here is to consider not only short term benefits but also long term over 35 years including after the end of the project because you know the restoration project might be five years but the real effect of the restoration project and its benefits will go on increasing 10 years 15 20 years after the end of the project or on the other side it could be the good practices it could be abandoned and then you will stop having the increase of benefits so it's important to monitor what's happening after the end of the project and so one of the big difficulty as I said is that these benefits for them are marketable and many of them are in the future so what the project does is to collect this data it's easy to access and use it to model future benefits as best as possible next slide please so one of the issue is that collecting this data is a lot of effort for the manager so to give them an incentive to do it it's very important that the project is a tool for the project manager to follow his own project or to valorize it with various stakeholders and partners so he puts information in the system and he gets out of the system and analysis of his own project which is already a form of valorization so one of the very easy result is cost benefits for instance by intervention unit depending on types of intervention so the first step was to prepare this template, second one was to pilot it that has been done then the next intervention will show you the results of the first collection of data and now really the ambition is to collect as much as possible in as much different situations which is why I was so happy to see the question where is it accessible yes it is accessible and you'll have mail where to get it at the end of my presentation because the more people ask about it the more data will collect and yeah next slide please yeah next slide about the timeline so this is where you can find more information so for more information first there is a paper for the World Forestry Congress that is accessible on the website of the Congress and then just send the mail to the tier team at FAO.org to get the template and support to collect data and then the next presentation will be supported technically to do so because really the ambition is to get as much as possible information to make the data as useful as possible over and over to you Fabio for the next presentation thank you in my presentation I take TEER and I start with the ER please Fabio I'll just speak very quickly about the GCF the Green Climate Fund for those who are less familiar with the organization we are the world's largest dedicated climate fund with a $10 billion portfolio we were set up by the UNFCCC we served the Paris Agreement and what that means in practice is that we support countries in mitigation and climate change and we have eight that's supposed to be our focus we have eight result areas and you can see top right here that we have forest and land use as one of our mitigation result areas but of course forest cut across a number of these result areas so we do receive forest related projects which don't fall on the forest and land use but we do receive forest related projects which are the ecosystem services Fabio I'm going to ask you to press five times so that it will circle the five different result areas that forests are related to one keep going yes okay livelihoods of people and communities health food and water security projects and within forest and land use we have three paradigm shifting pathways protection restoration and sustainable management so you can see that restoration is one of the critical areas that we want to focus on in terms of forest and land use and of course that is not specific to forest and land use it also has an important impact on livelihoods food and water security on fuel wood and of course ecosystems and ecosystem services next slide please very quick slide just to highlight the emphasis that we would like to give ecosystem restoration and this is a project which is currently in our pipeline so it hasn't been approved yet but file brought this very ambitious proposal to us recently it's known as Suragwa which actually means scaling up resilience for the African great green wall and as you can see it's ambitious in many dimensions there are eight countries we have four result areas four of the eight that I presented a couple of slides ago the mitigation and adaptation objectives are extremely ambitious in addition to which this proposal aims to restore 2 million hectares across these eight countries and interestingly and I'm going to come back to this idea this proposal includes the establishment of a revolving fund for biobusinesses next slide please now I was talking about the ER ecosystem restoration let's talk about the TE the economics GCF is very interested in the economics of ecosystem restoration and so I've been following the presentations with great interest what we would like to see is even goes one step further and see how the economics of ecosystem restoration could help make the business case for investments in ecosystem restoration and that includes creating a track record a commercial track record why is this important well we have ecosystem restoration on one hand and we have the finance sector on the other and the aim is to really bring the two together so that next if you press once again Fabio so that you can see that when these two overlap that's the sweet spot that is the area where ecosystem restoration can crown in private finance in particular I was talking earlier today about the huge financing that gap there is for forest that public financing won't plug that gap alone and we can only close that gap by mobilizing private finance at scale hence the importance of being able to speak to the finance sector to large financial institutions so that we can unlock that private finance at scale they will only be interested if they know that there's a commercial track record the finance specialists look at data and they don't necessarily only look at cost and benefit they look at the returns on investment and especially the track record in this respect but it's important to be able to provide the data that financial specialists are looking for the free or discounted cash flows the weighted average cost per capital and above all the risks if they're unable to quantify if they're unable to put a price on the risks they're not going to invest they have to take into account these risks and factor them into their own equations so that they can see if it's worth investing or not and so ideally what we would like to be able to see in this initiative is the economic data being pulled out and providing the background for establishing the commercial track record for quantifying the risks so that we can make the business case and if the business case is not there next slide please Fabio if the business case is not there the GCF is there to help tilt the balance in favor of making this business case and so we can help derisk ecosystem restoration initiatives we've got a range of financial instruments at hand so not only grants but also loans, equity and guarantees and these are specifically designed to derisk private investments to actually tilt the balance in favor and say okay this is if the private sector invests in here if financial institutions invest in this initiative they're going to get their return on investment as per the commercial track record and that can be key in tilting away from land conversion towards ecosystem restoration next slide please just a couple of examples of how we can crowd in private finance and I saw that there was a number of marketable benefits and these marketable benefits are deal sweeteners this is what can attract private finance okay one additional area that could crowd in private finance we can see here on the left this is a chart that was taken from the state of voluntary carbon markets by forest trends released last year and what we see is the fact that forest in land use here on the left hand side is very specific not only red plus carbon credits have exploded in the past year a 280% growth but also that related carbon credits tend to fetch much higher prices and the only other sector where carbon credits fetch prices these high and these are difficult to see here but those little gray dots here are the carbon prices and you can see in forestry in land use they're higher than in energy the only other exception is in agriculture here on the other side where you can see that the carbon credit prices can fetch very high prices very high levels as well press once again five please why do they fetch high prices it's because the buyers in voluntary carbon markets are not only interested in the ton of carbon but they're also interested in what we call the co-benefits these co-benefits are social benefits they're environmental benefits, biodiversity, livelihoods etc and this is a real strength of ecosystem restoration it delivers not only carbon but it delivers a wide range of benefits and so carbon credits that derive from ecosystem restoration have that potential to unlock private financing through these voluntary carbon markets at a pretty interesting price next slide please the other opportunity which I wanted to highlight is blue carbon we've been hearing a lot about blue carbon maybe in the past two three years we've been working a lot with blue carbon without calling it blue carbon mangroves are blue carbon tidal marshes, seagrasses are blue carbon what's interesting about blue carbon is that there's a huge potential for carbon sequestration and for carbon storage considerably higher than tropical forests which are already pretty promising in terms of carbon storage and sequestration but in addition to which there's a range of co-benefits in terms of food security in terms of adaptation enhancing resilience of coastal ecosystems to sea level rise and in terms of livelihoods so again we've got this range of co-benefits and if we can capitalize on this blue carbon and through ecosystem restoration of these coastal environments we can generate high quality carbon credits that come with this range of co-benefits again it can fetch very high prices in the voluntary carbon market so these are just a couple of examples of how we could unlock private finance now if Tia can go that extra step and make that business case then we would be happy to finance some initiatives that would be focusing on it or that would be related to Tia Thank you all and if you're still here thank you all for going through all the technical issues you know it's the first one after we do this in this so thank you all for still stuck with us so we just heard Benjamin really talking about all the different projects and how important this is that there are the economics of ecosystem restoration what I want to talk a little bit about how we're going to use this project because we have been part of this whole development and why are we part of it because I think it's so important without understanding the benefits and costs it's not only for our scientific understanding or for the investor and it's also for the local people actually implementing this they want to understand better as an accounting tool and especially like can they reproduce it because you have to think about all these projects that are going on like it's the tip of the iceberg it's what we want to have like millions of hectares of restoration and almost a billion tons of carbon sequesters now as we know forest is this weird system that is a loss of sucking up carbon that can also be emitting and so if you just leave forest alone it sucks up all those carbon and that has been of course a great value that something we still need to do and as you know we just came out last Thursday with the new global forest budget numbers and forest is still disappearing and a way to alarming rates but so we're not talking here also about the de-reforestation that is really where we think about what is the restoration and that is I think where this TER, the economics of restoration is so important I think we've seen all this article it's a bit older now 2017 how important natural-based solutions are in the climate change issues I know this is huge range from to almost 20 pethagram but if you think about that the global GHG emissions is this number you can see how much forest restoration and nature can contribute in climate change and the IPC report that came out without nature we cannot get where we need to be to have our temperature in check globally and if you just looking outside here in Washington you can also understand the simple tree just a piece of wood a tree can squeeze almost 20 kg of carbon in a year and in a tropical or wet tropical it can't even be more so trees clearly part of the solution but of course it depends very much where you grow you see two very different circumstances one in Niger, one in Indonesia a wet and a dry in serpentines and also how and what you do restoration, reforestation here and florist Indonesia the GER is really focused on there's a lot of trees in the agricultural landscapes in the rural agricultural landscapes trees are just part of the landscape part of the agricultural system, this is a place in a wonder where you see that there's everywhere trees but there's everywhere crops and there has been studies coming out more and more and it is also a little bit older now this study trees there are in the landscape and half a billion hectares have never been counted before because there are those trees which are not really forest but they still are very important and in some countries actually trees outside the forest have more biomass than the forest and that is because there are so much area on the agriculture and has these trees mixed in it that they offer more biomass and sometimes even have a lot of contribution to biodiversity to give some examples on how it exists and where we think this project on restoration are so important to you see a canyon landscape all kind of trees and farms it's all integrated you know an Ethiopia grazing park landscape more classical agroforestry with crops and trees grown together and here you see a very nice issue on how those trees are distributed and settlements and I think that's also something we see we put a lot of efforts as WRI to measure those restoration progress it's not as easy as deforestation but we are getting there but what you see is that close to settlements there are more trees because trees have values you know because they give shape or they give you know mangos whatever they do but they are really valued so you have this like more people and more trees and that is the most important thing that trees are part of this landscape and you see another so but what I want to comment so you see what I said at the beginning like what environmental factors are we have to understand and there are many as you see and you don't have to read all these but as you can imagine rainfall temperature etc all important parts to understand what it is and that's to say that tree planting is not simple like you know to tree where to plant a tree but also how to protect it if you just leave plants and you know as this gentleman plants here and you leave it alone the cow might grow by in this you know eat that nice juicy settling and so we have to think about which tree needs to grow where and you know again the IPC reports came up like we can just not you know really nearly plant trees because there's competition on land use we have to think about we only have so much land to start up with and we need to have food because we need to produce food we need to all eat but also need to have more trees and so we have to really think about where is it or can a system produce both and it also was and that is very central in our thinking it has to be adapted to the local circumstances you know we have known from previous then 20 30 years ago big plantations that had no benefits for local people and so why would people you know use this and work with this so that's how we started to work on the on this tariff fund for Africa funding like finding financiers to funds hundred projects and that hundred project didn't say we're going to go through this part we said we understand this is important but if we have seen all those agroforestry system and other systems that we see in the tropics why not use the innovation of those local people because we know that African leaders have understood there is a problem with degradation they have pledged no hundreds of millions hundred million actors to restore and most land belongs to community as part of community so what we were trying to do is like can have all those innovations fit all those people are doing ready can be incentivized to do more of it and so we are looking in that sense to say like top down approach to where can we have it but like where do people want to do where are people local people working on and so we got those funders together from the hundred projects you know around hopefully to 20 million hackers with many partners working on this like hundred projects in Africa and now these people so what we do we do the monitoring because these people need to do what they're good at they are entrepreneurs they have communities they plant trees they grow trees and that is the important part that we can take over some of the monitoring and carbon assessments but what is important here and it's really in the core of our thinking and it's the core of the TER we need to understand the system what goes in what goes out for understanding can we replicate it or should we replicate it we need to change it and then to scale it I mean hundred projects are only hundred projects we need thousands we need 10,000 projects but we can only do it by understanding counting it how much has been gone in how much benefits are for the local people therefore the TER the thinking is central I think central in the whole issue of climate change is like we need to understand the count I cannot understand what if we only can manage it when you can measure it I mean if we can find out that it's workable maybe the neighbor is going to say this is great we can do this too or we find out actually there's more going in and you know we just heard it from the Green Climate Fund maybe they can use a different way of funding it or maybe we can change something in systems so only by understanding that financial in and out and the benefits we can adapt systems it can be replicated and the replication is so important it's of course it's important to project importance if it works out but what is really important if this project is works out and is replicated by the neighbors and the neighbors and the other people and I think that's what it's really this TER it's so not that it's scientific tool of course it is but it is a really tool that if we do this right and if we get a lot of input it can be so important for scalability so that's why we are so invested and we're so happy to work with apartheid with C4NFO and others have developed this and we see it really as a real core with that I'll get it back to Fabio thank you Fred excellent presentation as all the other ones so now the floor goes back to Korea and we can either have the discussion on the questions or on the slide or we can run Valentina's presentation if you've sold the issue with Valentina and I suggest that you run it and then we'll have a quick session of interaction around okay yes good morning good afternoon my name is Valentina Garavaglia I'm an international consultant working for FAO for the forest and landscape restoration mechanism supporting the economics of ecosystem restoration initiative you have seen in the previous presentation what is here, why it is important and how it is placed in the international scene like in the UNDK of ecosystem restoration what I will show you now it's the first results that has been collected through the piloting phase this piloting phase was recommended to test the framework for data collection that has been developed by many experts to ensure that it's consistent and easy to use for the project manager or the respondent I will show you the results of the review of projects available for data collection this review allows us to identify three types of data that could be collected through the framework for data collection type one it's data collected throughout the life of projects type two it's data or projections based on initial project plans and documents type three are data retrofitted from projects close to the end or already closed this slide shows you the review of available project for type 1 and 2 data we identified 90 projects implemented by 61 organizations in 51 countries plus three global and regional projects we could send out different templates like 42 initially and we receive some information and feedback from the project managers we receive feedbacks especially on the first tab of the framework data collection that you have seen allows the collection of information like the topic of the project duration, the total funds the source of funding and so on we could also go more in detail and collect information or intervention units that are the minimum basis of the framework for the data collection the foundation I would say of the tier and which is not easy to identify for the project manager in this phase we usually support the project manager with online calls and meetings to correctly identify these intervention units here you can see more details on the projects that have been reviewed they are mostly implemented by UN agencies and we focused of course on forest ecosystem and forest landscapes by mostly projects in Latin America and Africa but we are trying also to identify projects and case studies in the Asia Pacific regions in collaboration with IUCN for example the general tab of the template for data collection provides also information on the duration of the project which is important to identify if we are analyzing data types 1, 2 or 3 we identify projects 6 year long but in average they were between 3 and 5 years long and this information is key also to understand the length of the activities that are implemented on the ground the exercise of putting together all these projects for data collection provides the kind of information that the project documents provide plus the effort from project managers that replied to our template for data collection allowed the preparation of these two small tables these tables presents the some quantitative information on the area and the reservation in the project documents that we identified and that correspond to 70 projects 7 general tab that were provided fielding by the project managers we did the same exercise for the total cost of projects and you can see the second table the cost per hectare from the 75 projects that provided this information and the 7 project managers that replied to our I would say call for data collection of course this information is not exhaustive it's partial and can be refined with the further efforts for data collection in the next months and the future and it's here that we need the support and collaboration of project managers and donors and research organization to put together the information that we know that is available we did the same as exercise with projects with type 3 data so projects already closed to the end and again here we have a quite wide range of total cost and area under reservation of course again here going to detail we can refine this information and can better explain the variability with a more consistent and homogeneous information collected these slides were intended to show you that the information on cost and benefits of restoration are sometimes already available in project documents but need to be collected in a standardized way organized and analyzed this first phase of the tier with the implementation of the framework for data collection and the piloted phase suggested that there is a high number of projects that could be involved in the tier initiative and we are currently implementing the data collection effort but we would like to upscale it in the next months and years we are for example currently collecting information in Africa and in projects that are being identified in Asia Pacific by for example UCN we have a great collaboration with the partners that are already involved in the initiative but the subject of the tier the cost and benefits of restoration considering also the global movement that has been put together by the UNDK on ecosystem restoration is causing a growing interest in this topic we have received the interest of many technical institution research institution and donors and any collaboration with project managers and organization at global level it's very welcome we provide our total support complete support to project managers in the completion of the template for data collection we know that is an effort that we require to the project manager and that's why we also developed this dashboard that allows the project manager to visualize the data that they are entering in the template so it's a way for them also to take a look and monitor the costs that the project is implementing and the benefits that they are generating what's next with the tier in the next months and a year we depend on the amount the quantity and the quality of the data that we are collecting any collaboration it's very welcome and I will stop here thanking you for your attention and in case you will need more information on the tier do not hesitate to contact us at the email address tier at file.org or visit the webpage dedicated by today initiative in the FLRM webpage I'm sure that my colleagues in the room will be happy to reply to your comments and questions but do not hesitate again to contact us thank you so much bye now give the floor to Vincent Kitz to facilitate a short interactive sessions to better understand what are your expectations about tier what can be your contribution to tier and how the tier team can meet these expectations in terms of construction of the database and what can be the exploitation of the data that are the most useful to users in order also to stimulate provision of data because it's a one way thing the more information you give to the system the more accurate the information the system will give you back and as has been said there are real there is a considerable potential for such data if it is of good quality enough to support potential investment because this is also something that we heard that the investors want economic track report and they don't have it in the sector and they don't know enough the sector so that so everybody I understand we're going okay so Vincent to join Slido the instructions are on the screen this is also for our friends joining online you can go either with your mobile phone or with your computer you go to Slido.com and you enter the code WFC as in World Forest for Congress and this will bring you to this room where you can answer the questions we'll go one by one over to you Vincent yes thank you Fabio and good evening everybody so my name is Vincent I work in C-Form the director of programs and platforms and I'm very glad to have worked with the team from FAO WRI and many others trying to develop this database from now a few years so we'll probably start with the slides and then ask the questions to the room and then also to the audience so Fabio over to you for the first everybody can see the questions in fact it's about what type of organization do you represent so just to have a broad feeling on who is here tonight I'm trying to do it at the same time on my phone just to see if it works yes also the panelists should do this it seems to work okay so it's not necessarily divided from who is online and who is in the room so we have a joint panel here so mostly governments, academia and on others and interestingly some private sector that's quite interesting so okay next I think we can go to the next slide yes we left who, what region are you from I guess that's either based or working in at the moment and let's see if it's probably going to be a bit biased because oh Latin America is showing up okay some people are either here from Latin America or listening from there Africa, Asia and Europe okay well I guess we'll see this has no means by no means a discussion that aims to be representative but it gives us an idea that we are here in a specific field context in this world forestry congress next question it's quite easy could you or your organization be interested in joining the initiative then maybe we can ask some question what does that mean joining the initiative because I guess that's the question what is there to gain okay everybody's interested maybe some not so much but okay still some to convince next slide and how could you and your organization contribute to the initiative as a partner for the collection or as a user there is one or the other so maybe it's just the main one that you may want to pick 50-50 is not allowed I guess that's one of the idea of this platform is that it is both for the user some for the data in as they may gain some benchmarking or other forms of course then there are the categories users as funders or private sector actors that will not necessarily enter data but would rather use use them unless they were also to trigger the different projects to in fact input data into the database okay so let's give us I think it's the last was that the last question Fabio no there was a last one a bit more into details what kind of the product or maybe there is a what kind of products would you be most interested in so you've seen the different presentations different kind of averages or analysis that we could draw from that geographies types of interventions comparative analysis to facilitate prioritization of interventions and possibility for comparative analysis tailored to the needs to assess a specific project using the database which is kind of refined I mean yeah I think that's quite interesting because it shows that maybe there is a little bit of of a layer to construct to extract sensible data out of the database for users tailored to the specific needs okay next and maybe there is the last one just to say with one more time with our smartphones or in your opinion what's the most important for the success of TR is it the breadth of data collection the quality and precision the easiness or the protection of data because of confidentiality and property rights issues some of these bullets maybe contradictory or seemingly conflicting to another but that's the charm I don't see I don't see the full answer what's the first one the blue one quality and precision okay that was one of the key mean and objective of this initiative okay I guess that just sets the stage for some of the demand and we were of what could be the expectations to the product and we were very glad to tonight to have Benjamin singer from really the green climate fund also to show with very much details what are some of the key gaps from funders and international organization but these can be I guess also faced by other types of actors even private actors or philanthropies when they just said okay what's the best value or the most effective investment for the money I put in into restoration so just to kick off so I guess first the question is does anybody have someone to say about that about the questions about the expectations does that reflect and us as engineers of the tool together with our colleagues from FAO and WRI ICN etc on how we can improve that too is that does that say anything to you someone wants to pick the floor Christoph maybe you need to come down here ah there was the microphone of the room over there sorry I'm too late I am here no just to say that one initially one of the objective for the tier framework was to become a kind of reference as exact is a reference for carbon estimates in some project not yet at this stage we are in the phase of trying to promote data collection to partners with Jeff impact programs why not with the GCF but I think we need we need to maybe maybe be a bit more proactive with big donor organizations such as GCF Jeff etc in the context of the impact program to see okay we have a tool we have a framework we have a framework with indicators that is for Jeff and we cannot obliged our national partners and the national project to use something else in addition but how and I had this answer with a discussion with a very couple I assume that with the GCF you have also your framework for indicators that are mandatory based on your board and what the donors have decided etc but how we can use the framework the tier framework to add something that is maybe not mandatory in the GCF project or in all the project but that is becoming something that is proposed as an option we should maybe think about this to allow us to multiply the number of projects that are collecting the data with this framework just an idea Thank you Christophe and this is an example of a tool oriented partnership where several actors have identified a gap in currently in first what their research or sometimes very concrete needs just to prepare benchmarking for projects or just to select the best next projects could could rely so there was this global ambition this is why immediately we teamed up with FAO because FAO is the international organization that has the legitimacy to host such a global platform and make it some form of a collaborated and public good how to give proper incentive so that it kind of picks up the trial which is there is already a considerable number of data into that but the ambition is to go perhaps 10,000 fold in terms of numbers of projects for what we ambition in the new forestry partnership that we're going to launch in fact tomorrow evening here in Seoul we are going to not necessarily force but strongly encourage because the different project implementers especially for the new projects to use that when it deals about restoration and it has a strong each project being on about restoration should have in fact some information about costs and should have also full information about benefits so one of the things and picking up incentives is key are key and this links to being clear about what is the benefit from the user the input of the data I think I said in the very beginning that there were some fine tuning very important fine tuning in terms of the management cost or the transaction cost that is bearing on the project implementer to deal with this tool in addition to all the other requirements to make that as low as possible and certainly lower than the benefit that it brings to using the tool so that's clearly a challenge for us to make sure we address that but then to trigger further discussion perhaps and picking up on one important issue that was mentioned by Benjamin is this issue of there were two issues in fact first issue of risks I think we talked about costs and benefits so the issue is have we probably captured enough the risk and the risk of what is the risk of the marketable benefit being too uncertain and then have we in the tool capture that or are we in a no risk environment so that's one question and how to deal with that and then the issue of co-benefits I think you mentioned this higher price of carbon for in agricultural projects because of the existing co-benefits and the question perhaps to you and the audience is isn't that in fact something to use as an argument for using the tool because the tool is intervention based and activity based and considers the consequences of an activity as a whole not just carbon so basically something that is perhaps more akin to go just beyond this carbon pricing just two questions to kick off the discussion I'm not sure how long we still have if anybody wants to take the floor but these are two messages I sort of say maybe we have not captured that enough or it is a clear demand from some of the actors that could reuse the tool yes or I don't know if it's you come here or if the mic is working there Thank you very much My name is Jan Sopé and from Apo Cambodia I actually quite I think first of all thank you very much for presenting this tool it's I say it's it can be a very useful tools being experiencing the project implementing in the field actually before I came here I met with one of the government partners he asked I feel to help with these the economic analysis of cost and benefit analysis for plantations and to do that actually we think first on the as an ad hoc analysis we get several experts coming in and then also to run through to have a rapid kind of an assessment doing this kind of analysis to inform the decisions maker and also at the implementation level I mean being engaging with the different project actually we are quite struggling in doing the cost analysis and project the benefits in the next 10-15 years and also recently we are supporting long-term strategy for carbon neutrality for the Royal Government of Cambodia partly we support only on this Fulu and we of course we do we run through a very quick analysis we estimate the into we estimate the removal of the emissions from Fulu sector but we don't do we have another team to do these what we call the economic analysis at the moment we are trying also to look into the breakdown of different actions mitigation action agroforestry, plantations, forest management and breaking down all of these actions and identify to quantify the investment need is also another challenge because it is something that we need also to we need a tool in order to have the government to identify what would be the cost if the target like 1.6 million to reach this removal up to 2050 so I think it's a really useful tools that can be used in the different level but I also understand that this tool is used at the project level project scale I guess and based on the sample collected you have like type 1, 2 and 3 my question is can we get some kind of analysis at the country level to some extent we use this tool adapt this tool a little bit to a different context or different objective of the analysis if for example we would like to look into plantations in a national scale is it adaptable to get this analysis or it is not the purpose of this tool yet and I don't know if you can track one project from the beginning until the end like as a baseline in terms of you and final to compare this implementation the lifespan of the project the progress made and compared to the result with the actual like terminal evaluation and things like that this probably can be paired together in order to get a more accurate analysis so I actually have two questions in addition to my comment thank you very much that's very good comments and these are very important questions I think the ambition is I think Alex on the back has really mentioned in his first presentation that there is a big gap in terms of some big averages being available and then what comes out from the bottom up I think the immediate objective is not to have average numbers by country but rather to have very solid and cross check and then even look at within countries or across countries or across similar context again if the database is rich enough then it may be used but I don't know what my colleagues feel it may also be used for that but I don't think that was the primary objective of T.I. it was more to work at a lower level than the national averages I think under the bond challenge a 98% objective of restoration and another country that is perhaps a bit more diverse what does that mean an average cost I mean the average cost is more what is the average intervention in the given context of degradation and so on but that's the other may have a different perspective and I think it's important to take a look at the different stages because what we are collecting maybe you need to talk in the not only project level but the entire project level on the type of for instance you have to try to have a positive approach to the physical meeting at Roth so we have to do it in two steps to arrive to national numbers for instance first we gather data on a type of intervention to restore dry lands by exclosure for instance and we have another one on restoring wetlands and in countries that have comparable situations both economic, social and ecosystem and then you can do it the other way around you know the number of hectares that need to be restored from level A to level B with such type of intervention you have to do it for each type of intervention and so you have the cost of the intervention a potential cost and benefit of intervention in certain region or in a country not averages things constructed from numbers that have been collected bottom up and the other thing I was saying is that when you think about implementation you can no more just use the average numbers that I mentioned it brings seven time $1 no it doesn't work the investor wants to know when we have done that in this situation it has brought this and that and the fact is that the question of trace of that the financial the normal financial investor is the same kind of record than GCF wants for carbon or this is why Christophe was mentioning exact because exact is doing that for carbon now what we dream of is a tool that can do that for carbon for milk for water for biodiversity for gender equality equity yes there are two more two more questions and answers yes please thank you thank you very much I guess the protocol I'm not seeing anything in writing but I guess it's a long one speaking yes I'm coming from government I work for the government of Uganda my name is Kazumbo it's a very interesting conversation that's why I decided to come in here to listen but I just wanted to find out something I mean many countries have done the Rome assessment for example restoration opportunities assessment methodology and so we have opportunities for restoration in the country we've done this one case for restoration and WRI and this tier seems to be an interesting tool to use because there was the invest the invest tool that we use to do some economics for restoration but also there is the use your economic and financial analysis that you can do so with this tier what are those differences are you looking at all the other two like IRLs the NPVs and the rest and you having a middle point what is the difference just hope me thank you maybe Christophe you want to answer but I think I think no exactly I think I would think that the thing is there was really this idea some of that is coming from projects that have already taken place what I think Valentina showed but the idea is to have a framework that is able to pile up and stock and compile data from new projects being currently implemented and develop and then yes there can be linkages with other tools such as Rome that we can reach the layer on costs and benefits of course I think the typologies for interventions are quite similar so there shouldn't be any major difficulty to have the tier layer in fact be compatible with other analysis to look at where to prioritize interventions but the caveat is that since this database is in construction it needs to be mature enough to be credible and to be so it's a little bit of a snowball effect that we really want to create and use maybe the decade not maybe use the decade to create that effect that will then make it a reference yes Dr. Fizlbadi from Pakistan is a very interesting idea because previously you were struggling for the renovation of forest services ecosystem services and of course this was also very difficult how to arrive at that and now with this tool or this initiative it would really help not only how the store forest contribute but also putting proper value to the existing forest which are there so thanks a lot and this is a very good initiative my one question is when we use the word project this may be a little bit confining but of course project is always there it is easy to collect data it is identifiable and put output very clear but there are other initiative with the government or the department take on their own they don't call it a project for example if the forest which is degraded and they put some rules regulation and the people abide by that it doesn't cost much money but it restore forest so how you are this methodology will capture that otherwise we will be getting a half picture what is happening so that is very important to be really seen that how the third point which is suggestion how you will create because this is not only global it is also very important but it is also very important for national level how you will sensitize different countries so that they can also evaluate and they can start on their own these are my three questions thank you sir and these are excellent questions and I mean they are a bit at the heart of what we need to do next I think the world project is your right overused programs or bigger plans or initiatives or I mean it's covering all of that as soon as there is one intervention or a set of intervention that are inscribed that enables to collect the kind of data so the perimeter is that but it is intervention on the ground doing actual physical activity it's not necessarily policy level or enabling environment that perhaps but it goes beyond then just projects programs initiatives and so on we agree and then similarly to the national level questions I think that is something that probably FAO will have to look at when it is maturing up I know it's also sensitive issue to deal with also the national government on how this kind of database can then be used to produce national average or national data so I think this is one of the items that will need to be discussed I don't know Christoph where is the place in FAO when this can be discussed but I guess since there was really this idea that this database is housed in FAO that will be a question yes and then there are many other hands I mean the organizers hand to know when we need to close I guess they're not closing the call can I intervene a second? we also have some questions from our participants online so bear in mind okay over okay so let's give the room to the floor the floor to the room I just want to thank FAO for developing a series of tools that we can use I'm an agro-economist and my name is Beatrice Dacouburi and I work for the CSR Forestry Research Institute in Ghana and we often have difficulty when it comes to the quality the total economics for restoration for whatever projects but I think that most of you we just want to do the financial analysis because we know we can dodge the headaches of wanting to estimate I didn't find the right indicators to be able to maybe do the total costs the total benefits for let's see about diversity, about diversity in the social as well as the potential negatives that can okay with the implementation of a project so coming from the research background I'm happy that we still have another tool that we can use what I'm pleading is that I got an opportunity to participate in the exact use of the exact well for a very short period and still I'm trying to struggle with it for some of these tools whether FU is able to organize a training session for we are I don't know how you're going to do it to be able to treat the potential users so we can also have a hand on how to do it properly and also wondering for instance as a researcher I've dealt with a series of projects like we have some projects that are more of experimental we want to experiment to see if you can use appropriate species to restore potential the real land in a certain landscape that has peculiar so that is a different thing it's an experiment in that so it's pure sometimes we want to do R4D and sometimes we do only D you know because of the experience we get a project and we just go to the landscape so can we use the tool for these scenarios all these scenarios I think you're spot on in this R4D or R we in fact and again tomorrow when we're going to try to launch a research for development partnership in fact we call it now research in development because what we need to know is research in implementation I think restoration is the example where we are still compared to the magnitude of the objective in a relatively data scarce environment in some of the dimension not all but this has been identified as some of the weak point which could lead to problems as I think if you over or under estimate the cost then then you have issues as Alex mentioned at the very beginning so I think this is where the research community and the research community needs protocol we need one we need typologies we need ways to construct methodologies to collect data and that is one of the issues that these two needs to in fact help construct this is why in fact the tool the partnership around the tool is already binding research organizations international organizations civil societies that have projects and so on that that was the idea to make it something that is co-constructed and not having 10 different university inventing another way to make an economic computation with another set of you know categories and so on I don't know if I answered your question but I know there are questions in the room in the zoom room Fabio so maybe we have time to pick up yes also because our friends on zoom I assume they might have some other things piling up in their agenda so let me put them up okay so these are the ones we found we gathered there's six questions and you can okay that's good we're not necessarily going to answer them all tonight but maybe Christophe can have a look and pick one that he would like to to see I think there is one that is interesting is about this idea of maybe it's in the number three but Christophe do you want to pick one questions or no minimum area I guess that has been I'm not sure the answer has been given to that we can give okay all we can give very short answers to all of them then raise your hand the persons who have the answer in the room or on zoom but Valentina and Fred I'm not sure they are there live Fred Fred is live Fred had to leave I'm sorry we had to leave yes okay that's an important one where can we get the tool as said in the video presented by Valentina if you are going on the tier web page of the forest and landscape restoration mechanism website maybe you can share the link I don't know or in the chat it's not easy because we are not connected ourselves but we have a web page a website the forest restoration mechanism website on the website there is a rubric with all our activities at national regional level if you go to global you have the tier web page on the tier web page you have the framework for collection of good practices that is available the blue part on the right side tier template for data collection on cost and benefits sorry my view is not very good on the blue but the title of the framework yeah exactly so if you click on this you have automatically the Excel file download it so you can use the framework okay but that's the Excel file for inputting data I'm going to challenge you a little bit can I access the data that others have inputted or that FAO has inputted from the project we have had some statistics we need to work on this what is available is the framework we don't have yet the database online okay so that is part of the next step we should think now as we are collecting more and more data to be to use the fact that we are giving access to information as an incentive we should think very quickly how to put online those informations and to give the opportunity to the data provider to have access as well to information okay so that answers the question number one so Fabio if you put the other questions maybe we can try to give a quick answer to all of them is it necessary to have a control area that does not have restoration with condition comparable or data that can be simply recorded for a project without a control it is basically the issue of baselines and control you want to answer Alexandre or you can quickly it is a very important question indeed which also links to the baseline in terms of degraded areas and nature of intervention no so the intention of the project is really to take the data from the ongoing project so that it's simple and not costly because if you have to find the exact control area with the same ecosystem but not degraded so to compare it would in itself be a research question in many cases so what we do is we have the baseline we collect the data and then we see how it evolves and we have the same question that we had in the beginning on how we follow it in the time it is followed in the time and which avoids having the area itself is it all control yes the area itself before the intervention is the control noting that there is correct please correct me if I'm wrong there is no possibility to record opportunity costs or benefits of course so that we we can record some of the baseline we say what would have happened otherwise in as an element of the data collection but you don't need to have a control the important point I think the important take home you don't need to have a control it is usable on a new project as soon as you have sufficient elements on the context nature of the intervention and so on and in a certain way when the database will be populated we also enable to build some baseline information because the degree of degradation is not always the same in all the projects so some projects will take place on different stage of restoration of degradation and we'll enable to construct some form of benchmarking for restoration going over restoration baseline I don't know if that's clear enough that could be one maybe tentative very quick answer all the questions that can then be complemented so that no there is no minimum area on landscapes site for project to participate as we said it's rather the other way wrong the other way we want to record the information for homogeneous zones where you have the same condition the same baseline and the same intervention so that it's constitute this is what we call an intervention unit so an intervention unit can be quite small and you can have very small areas that are so important wetlands for instance or peatlands how is it is cost analysis purpose is not going to refer same then for the rest and I would say to a certain extent reforestation projects may be quite of simple in terms of cost analysis so I think all the categories that they are in the current templates make it quite easy and you know even if the forry craft is interested in plenty of other topics we still have a strong interest in forest and then the last question is a very interesting one in fact because we had very long discussion about it who should use it but the main reason is that it is the project manager because first he's used to do that and also because it provides a kind of level of quality control on the baseline the data that's collected from farming it's a way to have a kind of collective responsibility from the organization implementing the project to provide the data however and we had a long discussion there are plenty of farmers that are interested in the information and that would be happy to provide that information so I think it's still a question of how we can facilitate the task for a farmer so to use it that's one thing but still having a kind of two levels of checking the quality of the information so it's also part of the construction of the final database to have somewhere somebody that says this cannot do there is something fishy behind because if you want to use that data for your own purposes you want to be sure that it's good data there is conversely also the idea that a little bit of an educational tool but sometimes cost cost-benefit or just cost analysis is made by just going too quick or too fast on some very important categories of course that are born by farmers it's not a project cost but in a way you put an exclosure there is going to be some cost for some farmer there so the database also can be an object to organize a discussion between the project implementers and the farmers in the community to say hey have you recorded this cost they are real and therefore there is also a question which we have discussed with our colleagues on how we could use also the tool in a more refined way to make categories, you can have an overall cost-benefit analysis but then when you look at categories of actors for some win overall it may be a win-win but when you look at finer so that is something we would like the tool also to be useful for also to improve project design or just the collection of data in the first place so I don't know I think we've done a good job in answering I think question three was answered as a kind of a former discussion about the national level but yes any other remark or I don't know if someone was to conclude because I was just to facilitate the discussion okay no if we still have time yes Hi I'm Rajra Muriel I'm from the Nepal I'm working for the national forest environment as a remote structure today we have one session we developed the potential restoration area using the PAL platform from the CPLAN we use the global socioeconomic layer it is really helpful to if we can develop some things for my country specific socioeconomic layer using these tools so I just I'm very interested to start this within our in my country thank you thank you and I think that brings to brilliant intervention because it brings to one of the ways by which I think putting FAO into as the international organization into putting these two the knowledge of these two into awareness of countries so that basically also they could also be involved and use it you know that's yes how to do that maybe we need to discuss that with our colleagues from FAO that's that's an excellent idea at this time we have kept this we have not it's in fact one of the first time we're making an intervention in the congress co-organized with FAO maybe the co-four could also be a place to deal with these issues Alessia Lizzie one was really thank you for this initiative I think it's something that we can all see the value and what is lingering on my mind is okay my name is Nelly from Uganda sorry about it yes yes thank you so I just wanted to ask about the data validity because you talked about ongoing projects but we also have quite some wealth of information from projects that have been recently concluded so how recent is you know data that you would consider you know good enough for this framework and then the other one is to do with the framework itself you said it is something still under construction but hopefully it will be concluded soon so we also know that restoration does take long we all appreciated that and for costs probably we can't be somehow exact but when it comes to benefits maybe it's rather projections so is there going to be like a round of you know when we can again do a bit of cleanup because it is not just about feeding any information anyway it has to be information that you know communicates and that has a meaning thanks a lot maybe Alexandre can reply on the issue of quality of data which is quite crucial the question of the ongoing project the reason why we focused on current project is that what has been shown in scientific papers is that to go in many cases the beta was not collected in the past so if you don't have it you cannot invent it and if you want to reconstruct it in the past when it was not collected it is extremely expensive this is why we said you know the simpler is just to say you are starting your project now every year you collect this and that but it is also true and this is what volunteer has presented that there are old projects ongoing projects that have some data and so fine if it's good enough I mean that there are the elements in it yes it can be used and also we realized with these piloting on old project that in some cases even if you have holes in your data it's still interesting because sometimes you can fill the gaps with some other projects in a comparable situation so I think it's really and the second question was on the question of cleaning and the question of quality this is why I was mentioning this question about who is collecting the data and so at some stage when you create the database you have to check the quality of everything that you enter in it and also think about the idea of sometimes cleaning a bit and also sometimes making an inventory and thinking oh drylands are not there we need something on drylands stuff like that yeah over maybe we were too over ambitious but when we had with all our partners institution the idea of creating that was also problem of quality of data because basically it was a bit of a problem to have sometimes a bit dubious some publications dubious or numbers that we couldn't trust enough to say this is really exact so in fact this database we're going to collect raw data we're not going to say it's right or wrong but with time if there will be sufficient data points then we will be able to look at is that meaningful on the scientific term making an experiment anyway in a way these two should not be questioned as ok what is the input the quality of the input we will go that we will go at the second stage looking at ok what is the what does that mean for general data quality assembly I think we are concluding you're the boss we saw you in the how many people in that room 18,000 now just to say that maybe based on the discussion today and based on the strong interest of most colleagues coming from countries it seems that we have maybe missed an opportunity during the last years and we should correct that to have more discussion with project coordinators at country level because the tool seems useful you are you have interest to use it to test it as maybe a solution for some project you are implementing and at this stage we stay maybe a bit too much in a scientific or group of a community but at the global level and we were not enough in contact with the country level and yes I agree that the fact that we have a cofo in October 2022 with a lot of country maybe we could try to have an event more focused on how to promote the use of the framework at country level and we will be able to to work on this. This is the spirit of what we want to do as well in the context of the impact program for work under GF7 we have already a small amount of money to provide on demand for the national projects, the national teams we will be able to provide to the national team a backstopping support to help them to understand the framework to help them to fill the tables to be sure that they are understanding well how to fill it and to be sure that the quality of the data is at the standard that we are expecting and clearly this is important now to connect ourselves with the country level at a broader scale that we did during the pilot phase we contacted a few countries for pilot phase five, six countries but now we need to systematically maybe be more active with you I think the event was very interesting in terms of feedback and I hope that the people in Washington or in Rome appreciated the timing, it was not too early for them and thank you very much everyone for your contribution and we have a lot of other side events on FLS strategies, restoration initiative genetic resources forest landscape restoration there is an event with the GP FLR tomorrow the global partnership on FLR we have one on Carbon and FLR climate change and FLR on Friday so don't hesitate to join those events virtually for the people outside of Seoul and physically for the one in the meeting room, thank you